British Royal Family Gossip: Part 61

When is bug eyed Bea going to land a man???

Hasn't Bea been dragging someone around lately?

R2 yes she has and he isn’t bad looking but she better close the deal quickly.

Lots of bug-eyed Bea and her Italian paramour in parts 59 and 60.

Harry just broke the Queen's 'you must date him/her for five years before marriage' rule and that did not work out well.

Poor Bea - she has acquired that Desperate Older Sister look, despite having that caddish Lothario by her side.

Bea's bf is a grifter who only got his foot in the door because his mother married a pal of David Cameron. He left his girlfriend and 1 year old child to try and become a member of the BRF. Good luck Bea.

R5 And when did HM tell you about this rule?

Because her son and Heir dated his future bride for perhaps five months and according to Diana, in that time they actually met only 13 times.

And her Spare didn't date Sarah Ferguson for more than a year at most.

Only William seems to have taken her advice.

I read about the rule, I don't remember where but you can certainly Google it if you're really interested.

The five year rule was a reaction to Diana and Fergie and came along after them. I suppose a simpler "know them for five years" wouldn't do because they knew Diana's family her whole life.

It's a good rule in general tbh

R9 - Well, then, why didn't she tell Harry if he wanted to marry a divorced 36 year old C-list American actress who wouldn't have looked at him without that HRH in front of his name after one year of a long-distance relationship to stuff it instead of caving in and giving her blessing?!

I don't know R11, maybe she tried. Her Majesty does not confide in me on this or any other matter. I only know what I read.

R9 MM was too old to have waited 5 years for a maybe and she must have said it in no uncertain terms. Also the note that Harry sent out announcing their relationship to the world sealed their fate.

We still have about ten posts left in the old thread. Why aren't people using the old thread before posting on this one? Do you all want us to get the threads deleted?

That is good advice. Also, you should live with someone before marrying, too. And be married a while before you fucking PROCREATE with them, for fucks sake. I mean, understand Meghan had to get that insurance policy before her eggs spoiled, but generally...

Beatrice is going to be the female Harry. He ditched his baby mama, Bea. That’s not good.

Hard luck, bug eyed Bea, isn't there some ugly Earl who would be nice to her lying around Grat Britain somewhere? There must be one.

I think Bea knows what he is and doesn't care. He's handsome and probably a good lay, and clearly fertile. In her set, it's better to be divorced with kids than a childless spinster.

I've just never understood why Eug and Bea, with the best seamstresses in the world at their disposal not to mention lingerie companies with Royal Warrants, can't seem to find good foundation garments and well-fitted clothes.

If Harry can marry the American divorcee, I don’t see any reason why Bea can’t marry this grifter. Bea, get a ring on your sausage finger pronto!

R19 - yes, the bar has been lowered so much that Edo will be approved.

R19, I’d watch that show!

R18, that’s what my MIL told my SIL: just get married and have a kid. You don’t have to stay married to him. Just get that kid. (These are Upper middle class people, by the way.)

Imagine if MM had a 1 year old child when she met Harry!

Quite the double standard.

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R18, only the Queen and Kate bother with undergarments and clothing that fits. I suppose Camilla wears clothing that fits, but her low-hangers are in need of support.

^^Oh, and Anne is always looking neat and contained.

Anne “not bloody likely” has NEVER given a fuck what people think. She’s the best of the horrid bunch in my opinion.

R23, Edo is looking a bit like James Haven. Or Stains.

Does Edo smell cookies?

R26, I love Anne, too.

R13 - True, Meghan was 35 when she met Harry, 36 when they married, and 37 when she had her first baby. She was looking for a fast exit from impending irrelevance, and did she get lucky at the 11th hour. Perhaps that's the argument that Harry used on his Gran.

Edo has a herpetic look about him.

Edo will do just fine. It’s Sparkles they need to contain. She’s poison ☠️

Edo and Bea's child, if it is ever conceived, will have HUGE eyes. Like, Emma Stone huge.

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Edo with his toddler and jilted wealthy and brilliant partner is a messy affair - he is not just dumping a partner but he seems to be abandoning his child in order to social climb.

Poor Bea - haste makes waste.

Bea is 30, with a married younger sister who will be pregnant any time now. She can't afford to be too picky at this point.

Beatrice wants to marry super hot multimillionaire Edo and who can blame her? He is a divorcee and has a toddler son. There are pictures of him at the Buckingham Palace do from today.

I honestly think she could do worse. At least he seems to have real assets of his own, unlike many other married-in Royals. Even if it doesn't work out, she'll get something in the divorce so she's not completely dependent upon Andrew's largess.

If I were Bea I’d present hole furiously. The clock is ticking and her younger sister will be with child soon.

R33, Emma is more doe/cow-eyed...may not be everyone's cup of tea but they're lovely. Poor Bea is pop-eyed and hasn't learned in her decades of life, how best to play them up. Doesn't help she constantly looks like someone set a firecracker off behind her.

Really, being a Princess is useless if you don't use the resources at your disposal to look your best. Even Princess Not Bloody Likely has been able to hook two separate husbands AND sleep with Camilla's ex-husband at some point (allegedly), so why Beatrice is struggling, I have no idea. Unless the prospect of Fergie being your MIL is scaring men even further away.

R39 - Oh, Bea has a bit of time. There probably are decent men out there who would appreciate her but I'll bet she isn't interested in them. Bea wants a certain kind of husband. She longs for what she isn't, so she can prove to herself and the world that she can get that. Her sister doesn't seem to have that problem, and married a regular sort of fellow. It's not an uncommon longing among women who doubt themselves.

I must be the only person who likes Pippa's dress (minus the sash). I'm aghast, though, how such a young woman with such small bosoms walks around with such low hangers. Who does she think she is? Mamie Eishenhower?

I love this quote from another board. Sums up Meghan's dilemma perfectly. You can't tell the UK press (and therefore public, by extension) that they don't matter because they've hurt her feelings, then run and suck up to the American media. She's a UK princess and like it or not that's her JOB. The US opinion doesn't matter at this moment.

[quote] Her job is “Princess of the UK”. Popularity in America is fine, but she’s not in a position to tell the British press and all of Great Britain to go suck it. She and Harry and their communications team really need to address the problems at home. Like it or not, they need to work with the British press to end the cycle of negativity that is undercutting everything Meghan does.

[quote]While holding a grudge against the British press might feel justified, it’s not going to make anyone any happier.

I'll be very happy if eye candy Edo joins the BRF.

Bea and Fugenie have difficult figures to dress. Boobs, bellies, narrow shouldere, quite heavy legs, not much height.

Pippa is very homely compared to Kate. She did the best she could marrying a wealthy gent. Carole “doors to manual” should open a finishing school for middle class girls looking to make bank.

R42 - I didn't mind Pippa's dress but as for the low hangers, I think she has something in common with Meghan: low-PLACED on the sternum, rather than sagging. I've noticed that female members of this social set have a curious blind spot, or disregard, for the role of proper foundation garments.

R46 I agree, their deportment has gone to shit. All that money and not a decent fitting brassiere in sight.

It's the years of gaslighting she received re: her looks, R42. She's older now and doesn't want to dress accordingly. She's aging terribly. She was never the pretty sister, just more exuberant and sure of herself.

I always saw Kate and Pippa's dynamic as similar to Jackie O and her sister. Never understood how Lee was labeled the beauty and we're seeing that lie repeated again with Pippa. Except, Lee had the decency to understand foundation garments.

R45 - Matthews looks considerably more attractive in his beard, stach, and longer hair than he used to. He used to look like the secondary male in a romance who eventually gets the girl because the A-list and better looking romantic hero turns out to be such a bastard - finally, the heroine comes to her senses, realises who the better man despite his scrawny shoulders and elongated neck . . .

Of course Pips did well out of it, but she had a go at quite a few others more brilliantly placed socially first. George Percy and Alex Loudon (not to mention Gabriella's new husband), were by far more desirable catches. Matthews by all accounts was besotted with Pippa and had to wait whilst she exhausted her visions of being the future Her Grace the Duchess of Northumberland, Mrs Loudon, etc. Finally, it was time or find herself that Extra Woman and she relented.

And she's far more attractive than Bea has ever been.

[quote]Bea's bf is a grifter who only got his foot in the door because his mother married a pal of David Cameron.

Agreed he's a grifter but in fact the two families have been good friends for decades and Bea and Edo have known each other since they were children. Those two have each other's number and nevertheless seem satisfied.

R46, breasts placed low on the sternum is not an excuse for either of one of them. With their various boyfriends, I find it hard to believe they don't know their way around push-up bras, bustiers and balconet bras. That same need to present a pretty picture in the bedroom should extend to a decent silhouette in public.

They think having smaller busts means they can flop around all willy-nilly...it doesn't. It's kind of vulgar, really.

R47 - You know, I have mentioned that I have friends in Denmark and that I was present once at the Opening of the Folketing and saw the royals arriving. Anyway, the friend has the DVD of the royal wedding of Mary and Frederik, and it includes the "ankommen" (arrival) of all the guests to the reception. First, I was amazed at how many horrible, horrible outfits were on view, and to see exactly the same syndrome present: absolutely no clue re proper foundation garments. Women with decolletage who never should have, women in terrible colours, women wearing elegant gowns with what appeared to be no brassieres at all who never should have left home without one . . .

I have more memory of the appalling outfits of the guests than I do of the wedding itself, although Mary looked quite beautiful.

I don't know what happens to women going to society or royal weddings. It's as if they lose all sense of objectivity whilst dressing for same.

R51 - I don't disagree with you fundamentally, but I think it's the sort of vulgarity that a certain class of people think announces their imperviousness to the opinions of the herd.

One of my favourite books in youth was The Group, by the wasp-tongued Mary McCarthy. At the wedding reception that opens the novel, the richest girl in the group puts her cigarette out in her melting ice-cream, displaying, as McCarthy observes, the bad manners that only the very rich can afford. I always remembered the scene. It's a wonderful read, by the way.

I’m excited for June 1st to see what theme the sussexroyal account picks and which accounts they choose to follow in June. And if it’ll be any friends’ businesses again

Matthews looks so much better in the photo at R42 that I actually thought it was another man. He used to look very gaunt, almost sickly. I actually asked in some Pippa related thread a while ago whether he was ill. Apparently, he's an obsessed distance runner which contributes to the look.

Edo Mozzi most certainly did not "grow up" with the BRF. He is an arriveste who has only known Bea for a year or two.

His stepfather, Christopher Shale, is friends with Fergie and pervie Andy. Edo's mother married Shale when Edo was in his 20's. Edo has latched on to his stepfather's social circle, for obvious reasons.

Edo is a millionaire? No proof to that. He is a brilliant social climber, though, perhaps with his mother as a role model.

R55 - I thought the same at first, that it was another relative. Perhaps Pips has been working on him since they wed.

R42

[quote] Unless the prospect of Fergie being your MIL is scaring men even further away.

Not seeing anything remotely worrying, 40.

Apologies, Mr. Shale has been deceased since 2011. Mozzi's stepfather WAS friends with the Duke and Duchess of Middle Eastern grifting while alive.

R55 That man in the photo isn't Pippa's husband. Her husband has an abnormally long neck with a tiny head perched at the top.

Pee Wee Herman hair. lol

Edo's stepfather died in a toilet at the Glastonbury Festival...

He is a billionaire and at least he has some hair, unlike those Windsor boys.

Bea is stifling a laugh at Shale's memorial sevice.

Yes, R60. I think my initial assessment at R55 was correct -- it's a different person. This is a shot from the wedding that afternoon. Unless James grew a few inches and a beard and mustache over the course of hours...

He's no oil painting that's for sure.

Shale was very generous with his Italian grifting stepchildren.

"In his will, he bequeathed £5,000 to Natalia “to buy an item of jewellery to be engraved with, 'To my darling Natalia, with love from Daddy.’ ”

Natalia is Edo's sister.

In those circles, looks take a back seat to privilege. Bea needs to close the deal soon.

He looks weather beaten but so does Pippa. The important thing is that he’s wealthy and Pippa will never have to do a days work in her life. We should all be so lucky.

^shrunk a few inches -- not "grew"

Pippa will do much better than not needing to work. She will live the life of the 0.001 % - the wife of a billionaire.

The life that Fergie, Andy, Eugenie, Bea, Mozzi, Meghan and Harry can only dream of.

James' younger brother Spencer is the looker in that family. He married Vogue Williams.

Spencer Matthews

'The life that Fergie, Andy, Eugenie, Bea, Mozzi, Meghan and Harry can only dream of. '

Edo is a multimillionaire so I'm sure he does okay.

James Matthews in his Mayfair house. He didn't look so ropey then.

R74 You do understand basic mathematics, no?

1,000,000 vs 1,000,000,000.

As in a small flat in Camden vs a huge townhouse in Belgravia.

As in a small 20 foot catamaran vs a 200 foot yacht.

As in vacationing in Ibiza vs vacationing in Mustique.

There is no evidence that Mozzi has millions. He is a grifter, that is true.

James Matthews operates a hedgefund. He could lose everything in the crash that's coming. It will be worse than 2008. Plus, his dad will have to stand trial for raping two underage girls.

Has a photo of Arthur, the son of James and Pippa, ever been published?

In fact, Mozzi is so illiquid, his toddler's mother has not requested any type of support. She and her family have far more money than he does. If he hadn't latched on to Bea, no doubt he would be asking for support.

R77 You clearly have little understanding of how the uber wealthy sequester their money overseas.

Hedge funders will be just fine in the next recession.

I wonder when the pictures at R75 were taken. Matthews looks much younger than he did when he married Pippa. And it looks like he's auditioning for a wife!

Was there taint around the Matthews family due to the father David having been accused of raping a minor? Maybe that's why Pippa resisted his initial advances.

R77 Sounds like he has a lot in common with pervie Andy. Andy may be on edge a bit, as the Epstein case is being reviewed by the Justice Department and may be reopened.

[43] is right. Meg runs to the American media because they treat her with *uncritical acclaim*. Partly because, as one journalist (Brit based in America) wrote: the American media deem the royals merely a bunch of frivolous, drama-generating socialites who provide “light entertainment”, which is good for business. But they are not important enough to risk offending. Americans really don’t *get* that the royals actually mean something to the British people and that they have some function in government. Second, Meghan is well-shielded from criticism in the US because of her race, which is a much more fraught issue in america, and any journalist so accused would quickly fall on his feet and do penance (unlike the Brits). What I personally find most offputting is Meg and Harry’s use of the american media, to consistently *dump* on British journalists and the British people because they have refused to worship the goddess. And for that, there can ONLY be one reason. I suggest if Harkle have issues with their compatriots, let them take it up with THEM. It’s unseemly for British royals to trash their own in the foreign press just because they will have a more receptive audience. And we yanks, e cept for a handfulof idiots and people wo can cash in are really, really not interested

R82 tl;dr

Try paragraphs, perhaps?

An enduring friendship that survived prison.

R76, chavs on the dole vacation in Ibiza. Millionaires can vacation wherever the fuck they want. Your lack of a passport is showing.

To compare a millionaire to a billionaire shows that you are a dunce.

Has this ever been posted on here?

The Royals depicted as working class folk. The Queen with a constant fag in her mouth. It might be too English humour-wise for you guys. Try it. Just 3 mins (I know internet people are terrified of long video clips, for some bizarre reason)

R80 The photos were taken of James at his house in May 2017.

What exactly is James Middleton doing these days?

Is he still a tour guide in Scotland?

I know he sold off his delivery bike.

Take a drink every time some old woman in a retirement home in Alabama uses the word 'grifter' on this thread to describe a multimillionaire.

If I were Meghan, I would lay low for a while. But she’s an American actress so it probably won’t happen anytime soon. She’s pissing off all the wrong people and will live to regret it. If she lives.

Edo's sister Nicola is making her way in the world

"I'm a multimedia content producer. Filming, photographing, writing and editing material for broadcast online, exhibition and on telly"

'And we yanks, e cept for a handfulof idiots and people wo can cash in are really, really not interested'

Sadly, these fast moving theads are proof that some Yanks are more than obsessed, they have developed Markle monomania, and can't function without spewing vitriol about her for hours every day.

'If I were Meghan, I would lay low for a while. '

She is laying low. One appearance in the last two months.

James Matthews' brother Michael was the youngest guy to summit Everest, but was killed descending.

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Meghan has really mean eyes, even when smiling. I think if any of us sat down and spoke to she or Harry, they would turn out to be so much stupider and more ignorant than you can imagine.

R88 -- The pictures were published in May '17 to coincide with his wedding to Pippa, but he looks younger than he did at the wedding where his hair was thinner and had gray at the temples.

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and "Pallas" was another Royal family spoof - especially check out Princess Anne meeting the Jews of North London (don't think they'd do this today)

I don't know how I've missed the gem that is Edo Mozzi...he's the cad we deserve but rarely get. A princess on one hand and a baby momma and infant son on the other. You literally couldn't have made this up!

R101 Mozzi is the "Prince that was promised" to the BRF threads!

BUT.....BEA WANTS HER OWN BABY!!!!

Will the Queen's favorite pressure her to issue an extraordinary letter patent granting Mozzi the title "Prince of the United Kingdom" upon his marriage to Princess Bea?

So excited forgot the "s"

letters patent

Can Mozzi become Prince Beatrice?

Not if Princess Anne has anything to do with it, r106.

R107 I love that scene

"We have had our work ethic bred out of us"

Ginger Dimwit.

And poor R90 still doing the maths

1,000,000 v 1,000,000,000......

R185 the Ibiza reference was correct. Maybe read the comparisons again.

Edo behind former PM Cameron at his step dad's funeral. Anyone know who the other guy is next to him even better looking than Edo.

Bea and Eug's "Vlog"

Reposting link at R113

Link not working it seems.

r114

Yes R112, that was Edo's then boyfriend, the son of the Count of Monte Cristo.

R46 Are you serious? women should always were proper undergarments? Seriously what fucking century are you living in. If you have small boobs why should you wear a bra, who actually gives a fuck in this day and age. Plus if you knew the aristocracy in the UK you would know that most of them don't give a hoot what they wear. They are too busy mucking around in their country piles with their hounds and horses. It's 2019 we don't need to clutch our pearls and be horrified at the site of floppy tits.

As R52 said a lot of European Aristos have their tits flopping around, they generally don't care, look at Queen Daisy's teeth too, it's not like the Danish royals can't afford a dentist, it's they just don't care about shit like that. On a side note, I had hopes that MM would dress like Mary as they have a similar body but alas it was not to be. Mary IMO is one of the most stylish Royals around and a foreigner that had to fit in with new family and a new very difficult language and she did it perfectly. If only MM had followed the path of her European counterparts who have married into royalty, some who had pretty sordid pasts and yet have shut up, done the job and come out of it with respect and admiration.

R117 Spanx salesman

R114 - your links work. You just need to go to settings and unclick the "Show Link Previews" box. You can't link from the preview box if there is an associated video. That's why Daily Mail links usually don't open either.

Thanks, r119!

r114

Here's some old footage of William,Kate,Fred and Mary. I think this was one of Kate's first engagements abroad. Mary and Kate have a similar look though I think Mary is more stylish than Kate.

In 1996 IK was on a tour in Nepal. I asked my guide, an older man, if he'd ever guided anybody famous. He said he'd been Lord Mountbatten's guide. I asked the guide what he thought of Mountbatten, and the guide said he was the biggest SOB he ever met,

I love seeing all the European Royals hanging out. They all looked wonderful at Ascot. Edward and Sophie seem to be the go to British royals who attend all the European Royals events. Though Anne was at the Luxembourg funeral recently too.

R122 The IRA agreed with your Nepalese friend!

'As in vacationing in Ibiza vs vacationing in Mustique'

Ibiza is a 2 hr flight from the UK and really isn't considered a destination for millionaires. Mustique is just another Caribbean island. Everyone in the know is avoiding the Caribbean because of the seaweed problem.

A better comparison would be 'vacationing in Mustique vs vacationing in the Maldives.'

There is a quiet part of Ibiza that the chavs don't invade on the other hand there is Magaluf.......

Is R125 still trying to figure out the significance a few extra zeros when it comes to wealth ?

Are you Mozzi?

We don't care if you take Bea to Ibiza or the Maldives. We know what you are about.

Poor, poor Bea.

R126, there are plenty of quiet parts of Ibiza, but it really isn't an exclusive or expensive destination. The billionaires rent private islands like Coco Prive or Velaa in the Maldives for winter vacations and go to Sardinia in the summer.

Some Skippie type is trying to make out that Bea is a BEArd for gay Edo. 😂😂

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R130 Yes, you are very astute. There is no reason to think Edo is involved with the son of the Count of Monte Cristo. They just appeared in that photo together.

For our resident dunce R130

I think Edo will do just fine. I think he’ll be grateful at his good fortune in marrying in, and any misbehavior will be discreet. He’ll probably act very royal, and be one of Meghan’s worst critics. I bet even his ex won’t mind, since now she and her child are connected to the British royal family, albeit indirectly.

Well, at least Muzzi has parenting skills. With his own INFANT.

'There is a quiet part of Ibiza that the chavs don't invade on the other hand there is Magaluf....'

Magaluf is in Mallorca. You mean San Antonio.

I owe the dunce R130 a more detailed explanation.

The Count of Monte Cristo is a fictional character from the novel written by Alexander Dumas.

So of course, it is highly unlikely that the future HRH Prince Beatrice has any type of relationship with the son of a fictional character.

How you get him is how you lose him, Bea.

But I know how it is. She’s not letting go of him.

R135 That is clearly a doll. He hasn't pressed the right buttons yet to wake up the doll.

Please, try harder.

Mary may be stylish but she’s plain. Kate is definitely the more charismatic of those two.

We know how it will work out with Edo and Bea. BEA knows how it will work out with Edo. She just wants the ring and the babies, and if it all goes to shit after that they'll work out a discreet divorce. They understand each other perfectly.

Princess Beatrice of Battenberg settled on the first man her dear Mama allowed her to marry. Looks like her namesake is about to hook a man, any man, consequences be damned.

If they actually marry, know he has money. Sarah's got an uncanny way of sniffing out other people's cash. I'm sure she and Andrew are holding out for the highest bidder.

It's better to be divorced with kids than a spinster, always.

I recently found this picture of Victoria on her wedding day that I'd never seen before. Doesn't Bea look like her? If she's smart, she'll go for a similar neckline on her wedding gown.

Edo won't go quietly into the night.

He will refuse to give up his HRH title.

He will demand joint custody and child support.

Andy will have to pay obeisanceto his overlords in Bahrain and Kuwait to help pay off edol

R128 Edo doesn't look very affectionate with the mother of his son.

Will Eugenie and Jack's kids have any sort of minor courtesy titles? I suspect not since Jack declined a title.

Jack was offered a title? On what grounds?

R142 No doubt they would like to marry Bea off to their friends, overlords of Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan, if they could to get their bride's price of gold coins.

Titles go through the father almost always, so know. That seems to be the fashion with the minor Royals to eschew titles for their offspring these days--even Harry and Meghan did that, and they're reasonably high up the food chain. It might also be quiet orders from Prince Charles not to burden the public with too many erroneous princes and princesses and dukes and such. We've come a long way from the days of Earl Snowden.

Andrew would have been wise to style his daughters Lady Eugenie and Beatrice, as Edward did with Louise. It's rather silly to have them dragging around Princess titles in this day and age, when they aren't even working Royals.

R144, Victoria has Bea's bug eyes.

. . . almost always, so NO. Damn homophones.

R146 He was already dreaming of becoming HRH Prince Beatrice.

Why one sight of Bea left him speechless with desire and determined to unload his fiance and infant to pursue this vision of otherwordly beauty.

The dunce at R130 has been on my ignore list for at least the last three or four threads. Makes provocative and idiotic statements in hopes of riling. ("Katestans" in particular) Best not to waste energy it. On the last or second to last thread, it apparently stated that the wives of the Kings of England going all the way back to Henry VIII were never called Queens. Several kind posters futilely wrote long posts chock full of historical facts. Just ignore this grenade tosser.

R152, dementia is coming for you. Confusing homophones is one of the first signs.

Bea's bruised hoof. Poor Bea.

Thanks, R155. I'll start making my final arrangements.

Edo was so taken with Bea he wrote a tender poem for her:

She walks in beauty, like the night

Of cloudless climes and starry skies;

And all that’s best of dark and bright

Meet in her aspect and her eyes:

Thus mellow’d to that tender light

Which heaven to gaudy day denies.

I’d welcome Edo. It could be like a double feature of grifty newcomers: Meghan and Edo. Love it.

Is Edo Italian, like with an accent and everything?

Victoria had the famous Hanoverian bug eyes. In current generations, they seem limited to Freddie Windsor and Beatrice, but they've been around since George I. They can't seem to breed the damn things out of the bloodline no matter how hard they try. Of course, given all the inbreeding up until Charles' generation, they weren't trying very hard.

How does THAT happen (r156)?

Is she a drinker? Bruises in weird places come from drunken shenanigans...

R158, I'm sure Bea would recognise that very famous poem by Lord Byron.

Prince Albert had the bug eyes too. Not surprising, since he and Victoria were first cousins (and also third cousins through a different family line).

At least the bruise matches her dark blue dress.

And, of course, Prince Eddy, DL's favorite vapid playboy Royal, also had them. Freddie Windsor is basically his clone.

R154 still believes Meghan and Harry hired a surrogate and will be exposed via a DNA test. She knows she'll be ridiculed, so is staying very quiet about it, but God forbid anyone criticise Kate. She'll be out of her cage straight away, screeching abuse.

This French guy is the best looking man Pippa ever dated. It may have been a brief relationship.

R136 I'm aware Magaluf is in Majorca, was just citing a more chav place then Ibiza, though at least Ibiza does have some quieter places. Wait I just remembered Torremolinos, so chavtastic!

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That looks like a bruise from turning an ankle or spraining it. Which can happen to women in towering heels. What's odd is that there is no swelling. I've sprained my ankles about 6-7 times and had similar and worse bruising, but always accompanied by swelling.

Sorry. Wrong link.

Torremolinos is on the Costa del Sol, mainland Spain. All the big resorts in the Balaerics are chav despositaries, but there are smaller, classier places like Deia or Cala Fornells in Mallorca.

R162 She was running after her toddler soon-to-be stepson - mothers of active toddlers have bruises in the strangest places...

Speaking of Royal clones, Princess Louise of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, mother of Prince Albert, looked a LOT like Albert's future wife Victoria. But for that lot, a whiff of incest was probably an aphrodisiac.

Nico Jackson. The one that got away. And best looking.

Sardinia and Corsica have kept their accommodation prices high to avoid an influx of chavs, but practically anywhere else in the Med is fair game. A lot head off to Turkey these days.

Pippa has had some stunning bfs but picked the fugliest (and richest)?

R154 Thanks for your post

More Nico. I think he lives in Swizerland as a banker. So not poor.

This website has a lot of interesting articles about the RF. Queen Victoria wanted Alix to marry the Duke of Clarence but she married Tsar Nicholas instead.

R176, holy shit. He’s like an Adonis.

Stunning Nico. Just breathtakingly stunning.

The Tragic Story of Queen Victoria’s Favorite Great Granddaughter ...

Princess Alice and the Tragic Kiss of Fate ...

R178 Pippa did the right thing, most of her exes will end up balding and fat with gout, so best to pick the richest out of the bunch and one that owns a place in St Barths too as a bonus.

R183 How did Pippa ever snag these guys?

Is this Nico fella the guy who brandished the gun while driving around Paris in a convertible with Pippa and some friends?

She's not a knockout but 'ol Pips must have other attributes, r187.

No, not Nico, r188. French dude it was I believe.

I've heard Pippa is very witty and great fun to be with.

R144 Bea does look very much like Victoria, including the bug eyes and tiny mouth.

Still waiting for a pic of the alleged Christ child I mean “Archie.” One that isn’t a doll or a pic of two different babies’ combined feet.

It's a shame Andy and Sarah's girls never got the Susan Barrantes genes, she was quite attractive and willowy.

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The press went in hard because her introduction was that letter from Harry.

A Skippie landed at R192!

If I recall correctly the "straight out of Compton" article was prior to Harry's letter.

Yes, I am correct about that timeline.

Kate is 5ft 9 with green eyes and long, slender legs; Pippa about 5ft 5 with brown eyes. But still an attractive girl.

194, If you want nothing to do with the British press, get the hell out of Britain. You ain’t seen nothing yet. Vultures only circling the body.

Meghan doesn't look even the 25% black we know she is. She looks Spanish or Italian. Still hoping Archie has blue eyes.

Wow to the photo of Pippa and Nico at R180. What went wrong?

Doria's back in LA.

R 200, I am sure you are right. She married Harry not your racist muckraking press.They have no shame even after causing a death.

R46 I doubt that MM is built like Mary, but I’m just going from photos of MM, whereas, having seen Mary in the flesh, she is tall and incredibly slender. However, Mary, even more than Kate, knows how to choose and wear clothes, which is more than we could say about MM.

R194 and here they are right on cue, the megastans. Today it will be the racist bait, yesterday it was the anti-monarchy vs constitutional monarchy.

Fuck off then back to celebitchy, we are not interested in discussing MM's race or the virtues of democratic governance. All you want to do is call us all racists so hurry up and do it and then leave.

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^^^^^ I always thought....

R205 Not is height but like Mary because they have a very straight torso, Mary dresses very well to hide her lack of waist. Though Mary isn't boxy and squat like MM. I've seen Mary too in Denmark and she is incredibly thin but looks amazing! If only MM had looked at how Mary fitted in to the Danish Family so well. Sigh, not to be.

R150 I agree about the Princess titles for the York girls, especially since they have reached adulthood, but they were entitled to them through the 1917 Letters Patent, as are the Wessexes. I suspect that Andy had a case of the green eyed though, and it would never have occurred to him to eschew the titles. I also think that George V probably didn’t envision how much life would change in the next hundred years, and that some of the British Royals would be marrying out, which would have been anathema to him.

Too bad that MM's wedding dress wasn't made out of this material and fit her as well as this dress fits the model wearing it...

R207 Pippa and Nico like to dance to country music? What's that video?

R206, if the shoe fits...…….

R194 couldn’t agree more. This all encompassing ‘racist’ bait is getting tedious. But I think that the aptly named Megstans would rather blame the press for perceived slights than be forced to delve deeper into their beloved’s background and character. They operate on a one track brain cell, and lack insight.

Mary's wedding gown was well-fitted and fabulous on her. I don't understand what happened with the tailoring of Meghan's gown. It's almost criminal given her access to the best of the best.

I was linking to an article on the split r212. As usual, DM videos override written stuff.

r207

[R82] American here. Just wanted to let you know there is still zero interest in the BRF. Meghan might be shoved down our throats and on every tabloid cover but no one is checking for her.

Literally the only royals Americans check for are the queen and Prince William. Harry might be popular in the UK, but most people know him as the other prince.

'Here they are right on cue, the megastans. Today it will be the racist bait, yesterday it was the anti-monarchy vs constitutional monarchy.

Fuck off then back to celebitchy, we are not interested in discussing MM's race or the virtues of democratic governance. All you want to do is call us all racists so hurry up and do it and then leave '

And here is our resident Nazi, informing everyone who doesn't want to tear MM to shreds that they need to go to Celebitchy. She posts exactly the same thing every 50 posts or so.

Remember though the York girls were born in 1988 and 1990... the Queen Mother was still alive, Charles and Diana had not yet reached maximum implosion, Windsor Castle hadn't yet caught fire and the great British public hadn't rebelled against paying for the repair bill.

The point being, 1992 was almost like BC/AD for the modern monarchy. Everything started to change and adapt rapidly from that point forward (with another 9 on the Richter scale in 1997.) So when they were made princesses it was very much business as usual with regard to how things were done within the royal family. It was getting top heavy on tradition, but hadn't quiet tipped. Then the annus horribilis, followed by the rewrite of Candle in the Wind. That's when things started to be done differently. The Wessex children, with their comparatively simpler status, were born in 2003 and 2007. And yes, I know, Princess Anne but she did everything her own way.

[quote]If only MM had looked at how Mary fitted in to the Danish Family so well.

One thing that's always puzzled me is how much Mary was/is hated by some royal watchers. I can't remember if it was only one website (Royal Dish?) or if the feeling was pervasive, but these folks went absolute batshit on her. (I know this because we discussed it here on DL) What was so odd is that she didn't have a "past," is university educated, worked to support herself in respectable white collar jobs that don't require a casting couch, apparently didn't have family baggage, made the effort to learn an incredibly difficult language, and didn't pull any attention-grabbing stunts. Their favorite term of derision was "bogan." I wonder if they've let up now that she is a hardworking asset.

I have a vague memory of that Bogan website... I think it was the work of either a mad Tasmanian or Australian, who for some reason, later recanted her viciousness.

Some trivia about the royal christening gown. I wonder if Archie will wear it? Or will Megantoinette deem it too unwoke and commission something by Givernchy instead?

Mary didn't have baggage? See, if given time, the most tawdry of rumors can disappear. The story was she fucked the CP of Greece and his dolt counterpart from Denmark during the Olympics held in Sydney. Something about one having a hairy chest and the other not.

She chose wisely (or she didn't have anything to offer the Greek prince other than a roll in the sheets, hence settling on Pongo).

R220 So true! people were insane about Mary back in the day. In fact Royal Dish was set up with the sole purpose to abuse Mary. There was another board something blue I think and it was shut down because of the nastiness about Mary and this was before the social media explosion! So those crazy bitches started Royal Dish and back in the early days it was vicious, though now it is no where near as bad as it used to be. Not only was there Royal dish there where plenty of hate blogs all dedicated to Mary and her perceived bogan character. The funny thing though Mary and Fred Neve came out and accused anyone of being mean, Mary just got on with the job and lived her life and did the right thing. It's a shame MM can't do the same.

American here that is only interested in Meghan, Archie and Harry. I was interested in Andrew when he dated Koo Stark but once he stopped being rebellious I lost interest.

I’m an American who is mildly interested in Royal. Thoroughly enjoyed learning about titles and tiaras. Meghan interests me the most because I love a good villain and I have a grudging admiration for her grit and hustle. She’s come a long way, and I am excited to see what she does next. I think she’s just terrible but I love watching her Narc antics from afar.

^^ royals

So, you're admitting that you're one of the "crazy bitches" that are downright "vicious", R224? That MM should just carry on, "[live] her life" and ignore "the nastiness" you and your crew will hurl?

Glad you admitted it.

R117 - I'm from a century, to answer your question, in which practical realities should govern wardrobe selections at a royal wedding.

By "proper" I meant appropriate to the selected outfit not proper in terms of Victorian morality.

If the lines of your beautiful gown are ruined by failing to wear the appropriate foundation garments, you have committed an aesthetic faux pas and moreover wasted your money.

The correct foundation garments ensure that you wear the gown rather than it wearing you.

And we really are tired of being lectured by would-be prefects here.

^ I think the point was rather if MM would just buckle down and do her job for the country, rather than her own advancement and self aggrandizement, the nastiness will fade.

Is it tough being a genius?

Nico looks great. Pippa looks rough and much older than 32.

R221 I just googled Princess Mary Bogan and found one of the old blogs. I vaguely remember someone called Hester as the meanest one and I think you are right she was Australian and either knew Mary or has some vague connection to her. Incredibly nasty and good to see Mary rose above it all.

[quote]Mary didn't have baggage? See, if given time, the most tawdry of rumors can disappear.The story was she fucked the CP of Greece and his dolt counterpart from Denmark during the Olympics held in Sydney.

Are you trying to tell us you think premarital sex is "baggage?"

No, R230, that's the problem...even if MM did those things, you'd remain a cunt. You literally exposed yourself as a hateful troll and now want to backtrack.

She just got married and gave birth in the span of a year. No one has seen much of her in public and you saying she should buckle down and do what YOU deem necessary so you can stop cunting up a storm is ridiculous. You're a moron and so tightly wound-up in your hatred of a complete stranger, that you admitted trolling. And, are doubling-down.

It must kill you to see a man accept and wife a woman with so many obvious flaws.

I will also admit that Diana only interested me when she went rogue and Charles only in the context of his insisting on marrying Camilla. I am not interested in nice, genteel, prim and proper especially when I believe it to be fake and mostly for show. It is why I always preferred the Scarletts and Rhetts over the Melanie and Ashleys.

Good, another hypocrite at R233. Why's MM premarital personal life an issue then? If Mary can be absolved of her past with time, why is MM not afforded the same courtesy?

Your dislike is irrational. Pinpoint the main reasons and we'll likely find a similar case in the life of one of your faves.

These modern princesses are all educated, (most) held jobs and they weren't barely out of their teens getting wedded and bedded. They'd been around the block and we knew and didn't care. So, why is MM the exception to this unspoken rule?

W and W for R234. You should post on here more often. Prepare to be called a 'Megastan' by the numbskull tinhat who thinks Meghan wore a moonbump.

R209 - Mary has one attribute that Meghan lacks: nice legs. Mary is straight-waisted like Meghan but the rest of her is easier to dress than Meghan is. I am the one who saw Mary in Copenhagen and far from a tall impression in person, I was surprised at how petite she is. She can't be more than 5'5" - she photographs tall, though. She had lovely skin, large eyes, and beautiful hair as I remember, and whilst I don't like everything she wears, most of the time she gets it right. Her wedding dress was the most unusual in design of any royal bride's in recent memory except for Pss. Anne. I thought she looked fantastic. The designer was Frank Uffe. It also fit her to perfection. Kate is much taller than Mary.

[quote]Good, another hypocrite at [R233]. Why's MM premarital personal life an issue then?

You sound too smart to actually pose this question. "Sound" being the operative word here...

R234 Oh dear did someone forget to take their medication? As I said before you are on the wrong board, go back to celebitchy and sing the praises of your idol. All you do on here day after day is say the same things, calling us all racists etc You just end up yelling at yourself or replying to yourself because you get blocked by all the rational people on here as I am about to do. Bye bye now idiot, take some valium.

R223 - The Greek prince wasn't prince of anything - there is no monarchy any longer in Greece, his title like that of Constantine and Anne Marie and their son and his preening wife Marie Chantal, are empty farce, mostly a courtesy by other royals. Frederik, on the other hand, was the bona fide Crown Prince of charming Denmark. And as Frederik's past included the usual complement of models and minor actresses, I wouldn't say Mary was a departure from his usual habits..

R238, I beg to differ. Meghan has very good legs.

[quote] Yes, you are very astute. There is no reason to think Edo is involved with the son of the Count of Monte Cristo. They just appeared in that photo together.

Well he was at Edo's stepfather's wedding and he was with the former Prime Minister. So who ever the guy is, he is close to Edo. That's a fact

See, R243 does think Edo is gay and there is a BEArding situation! I wasn't wrong. Where there's a moonbump troll, there's always a 'gay and bearding' troll too.

Feel free to block, you nut. I'm an adult and don't lose it when I see something I don't agree with.

Not one hypocrite wants to explain why MM's past is open for dissection and other royal brides are off limits? Fancy that...

Yes, as predicted, numpty R240 hopped onto the thread with her usual cliches about Celebitchy. Absolutely incapable of defending her hatred for Meghan.

And Edo doesn't have money. His mom does.

Just because someone's parents have money, doesn't mean they have money. If Bea marries this guy and it doesn't work out, you can damn well bet his mom won't support Bea or their kids

R241, you're right. There is no Greek royal family in the traditional sense but aren't they HRHs of Greece and Denmark? Thought the HRH status came from their Danish lineage.

On another note: they did very well snapping up Miss Miller and her dowry; I'm sure love was mixed in there somewhere. At some point. As long as money remains in the bank.

Meghan's legs look like she is suffered from polio during her formative years, very atrophied. The woman might look into weight training in her new home yoga studio for better stem definition..

Her legs are no different or thinner than Kate's.

Edo Mapelli Mozzi downsized to a flat housed within one spacious room of a Victorian house in west London. Every inch of the space is used - the inbuilt dining nook has banquette seating upholstered in Linwood's 'Moleskin Velvet'.

How rich can he be if he lives in a studio flat?

Cue the Larrie, Skippie, tinhat, Tumblr, William looks like he is 50, Kate has terrible bags under her eyes invectives in ten, nine.... same thing every damn time with nothing clever nor witty to contribute. Oh yes, then ends her little frau-trum with some version of telling poster to sod off and begone. No imagination but to banshee that anyone who doesn't like Meghan must be a conspiracy theorist. Maybe throw in the word "racist" somewhere because again, no imagination.

300 lb R249 thinks these slim, toned legs are 'atrophied'!

R251, do you start every post with 'cue the', illiterate dunderhead?

r234 you are on a board full of Cunts. Flat out. So bitching that we're too "mean" to poor Miss Megs or won't stop talking about her is ridiculous. Do you realize where you are?

The posters here who remember how vicious the online blogs were to Mary of Denmark when she married Fred are underplaying it. It was a field day. But as stated she put her head down, put in the work, and now is beyond reproach. It's how its done.

We do love our cunting here, if it isn't Meghan (who is RIPE for it) it'd be someone else. Shoo and let us carry on in peace.

But God forbid anybody bitch about sacred Kate or William. If they do, the wrath of R254 will descend upon them with the fury of a thousand suns.

Those are some ugly ass legs Meghan storks about on stilettos. She must really feel inferior next to the magnificent muscle-toned gams of her superior in every way sister-in-law. And having to walk behind Catherine for the rest of her life will grind her teeth seeing how she will never measure up.

r223 close re the story: Mary actually fucked around with Nikolaos of Greece, the hunkiest of the young royals at that time, when they were all in Sydney for the Olympics. He got her first, and only after she made a major play first for Felipe, who allegedly wasn't having any of her and laughed her off.

Fred had her next. Somehow, he got hooked. He kept in touch with her after Sydney, visiting her and eventually bringing her to Denmark to live. The rest is history (or herstory, whatever).

R256, MM's legs are excellent or she wouldn't have been cast in Suits for 7 years, wearing short skirts. You know that really, though.

Most of her engagements will continue to be separate from Kate but if she was truly bothered about hierarchy, she wouldn't have married Harry.

Oh do fuck off r255. Spoiled whiny little baby you are. I've been critical of boring Wills & lazy Katie too. Stfu and do your homework, and stop being so lazy.

All royals are ripe for the picking, and have been over the many years we've been here. Right now it's Meghan's turn. This too shall pass - but in the meantime, while she keeps stepping into it nearly every day, we shall have our fun discussing and criticising her and her antics.

I swear, DL should come with a handbook for newbie posters to understand how it is here.

Ah! Thanks for the correction, R257. The gossip was even juicier than I knew! Mary was also trying to bag Felipe?! Scandalous! So, out of 3 cousins, she bags 2...the girl did all right in the end.

Princess Michael of Kent - what is her personality like?

The ugly fat fucker who keeps saying Meghan's legs are too thin can piss off. Her legs, Di's legs and Kate's legs look very similar. Slender and elegant.

For the Sussexes who made a point to announce Harry would take paternity leave he sure has been attending a lot engagements. Meghan is probably driving him up the wall with her controlling nature and he's like fuck you bitch I'm going out. Within the year we'll start hearing of Hazza stumbling out of pubs with the mates Meghan made him ghost.

'Meantime, while she keeps stepping into it nearly every day, we shall have our fun discussing and criticising her and her antics.'

She has done nothing for months, so you make shit up about surrogacies and imminent divorces. You keep saying she should lie low and she IS lying low.

This thread isn't called Let's Bitch About Meghan Markle, you thick twat.

R264, he took two weeks. Now he's back doing some engagements. He has never looked anything less than delighted by Meghan.

[quote]This thread isn't called Let's Bitch About Meghan Markle, you thick twat.

C-U-N-T. It's actually called Let's be Cunts about Meghan Markle and Any Other Cunty Royal We Like! Any TIME we like, about any of them. We will discuss and SPECULATE ON STUFF AS WE WISH,, this is the place for it.

It's not the NY Fucking Times ffs. Stupid idiot. Get thee to a real news site if you want bland ditherings about famous folk, including your bland humble, low-lying-out-of-sight Megs. We'll blather on as we wish.

Jesus, R266, you sound mentally ill. Do you have Tourettes or are you just a trashy, foul mouthed chav?

r261 posts a great question, about another semi-controversial royal (just like MEGS, currently): Marie Christine is known to be haughty about her married rank, egotistical, proud of her royal life and connections. She was actually humbly raised in Australia by her single mom and her father was supposedly a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer, so some of her hauteur might be rooted in deep insecurity from childhood.

By all accounts she's a decent mother (her kids turned out well), she seems to keep Prince Michael happy and adjusted to her downsized life at KP after having to sell the family country house a few years back. She's harmless given her low rank, but actually manages to keep her name in the press fairly well for someone so low on the BRF totem pole. That may be by design.

R257 WHAAAT is this about Mary? I mean she’s OK but how the hell was she getting with all these Royals? What was the connection? And what world class charms am I missing?

Meghan looks great in shorts.

No moron at r267 just a longtimer here who gets sick of obvious newbies not realizing what DL is about, and what the TITLE of this thread is and has been for months (see: BRF GOSSIP, read mindless blathering speculation and meandering discussion about various UK royals, with no need for factual sourcing since that's what gossip IS - look it up).

Except you and others revere Kate and William. You don't bitch about all of them.

r269 that was the infamous story our of Sydney, I believe sold to the tabloids by Mary's pals after it became known she was with Fred up in Denmark. I remember the name of the pub they all met at: the Slip Inn. Someone in Mary's group of local Sydney pals knew someone in the royal group, and they all met up there. There were supposedly photos of the wild night out too if I recall (no not those kind of photos).

Much of this has of course been swept under the rug since then, what with the royal marriage and such.

Meghan looking cute in a Mary Quant style mini.

Womp womp r272. Its way more FUN to speculate about current "rock star" Megs than about boring old timers Will and Waity Katie. I personally have had my time discussing them too here, just not lately. Just weeks ago there were like 8 threads re Will and his "friend" Rose Cholmondeley. Those were fun too at the time.

You are waaay too serious for this thread my man. Start a "BRF Current News & Events" thread if you want boring blather about daily events, with no criticism or speculation. There have been those types of threads here and people have enjoyed them.

good lord is she using her hands to hold herself up against the wall there r274? What's with the eyeball roll for the cameras.

R274 it's interesting how much she looks like harry. Usually couples share some facial similarities. I see it in fred and mary too but not as obvious as meg and harry, although with the latter some only see colour.

She has a good, very slim physique, similar to Kate's.

M and H have very similar noses in profile.

Can't speak for Kate since the photos is of Megs, but - she had a good bod no question. Her midsection is beyond 'boxy' though, its weird how she has no waist. Her legs are great here; from the knees up only. Nice thighs, but the calves and feet? oh my.

Those skinny calves look good in the weird laced up sandals so many celebs wear, or shoes with thin ankle straps. The same shoes on muscled or heavy calves are a disaster.

[quote]it's interesting how much she looks like harry.

She married him for his resemblance to the person whom she adores above all others.

Kate in her bikini. Both K and M have quite boxy, flat upper bodies. I've seen pics of M with a boob job but she must have got them removed.

Megs has chicken legs, no waist, questionable taste in clothing and heavy handed cosmetics application. She's still cute, for a middle-aged woman, she's certainly no beauty. Her personality seems to be very difficult and unpleasant.

I want more on Princess Michael - uber bitch! Also more on Prince Michael, he always looks very pleased with himself.

Re the titles for the Yorkies, Her Majesty was born in the same position as Beatrice.

Not really middle aged as her generation's life expectancy is 85.

Did she have a boob job at one time?

Wrong pic! I meant Meg.

Skippies

R150 When Beatrice and Eugenie were born they were expected to become working royals. I think they should be honestly, they both seem to be good at it and want to do it, why now allow them to then it eases the burden on some of the members who might not be so keen.

R284 True too. Her parents were the Duke and Duchess of York, she was Princess Elizabeth their daughter. And again, Beatrice and Eugenie were expected to working royals when they grew up at the time.

Beatrice & Eugenie have been doing more & more royal engagements & taking on patronages recently so I wonder if they're being transitioned into full time working royals? I think it'd be a good idea, we need more younger royals in the mix and they're both good at it.

I always thought Kate looked terrible in strapless or off-shoulder evening wear, but seeing those bikini pics makes me see how masculine her build really is. She has really broad shoulders and slim hips. I've noticed in the past how large and mannish her hands are.

One thing I'm sure we can all agree on is Edo is gorgeous.

[quote]Not one hypocrite wants to explain why MM's past is open for dissection and other royal brides are off limits? Fancy that...

Okey-doke. Meghan's marriage to Trevor Engelson and living situation with the Toronto chef both led to higher and better brand positioning and marketing for her. She was, apparently, living with the Toronto chef when she sent her wedding ring back to Trevor Engelson via FedEx. Engelson was the one who finagled her Suits audition. And she pursued Harry while still shacked up with said Toronto chef whilst she was asking British TV personalities for introductions to rich, eligible British males. Meghan was/is prowling for the biggest and best she can acquire. I suspect she thought the "Prince Harry" was much more solvent than previously believed. Acquisition being the better part of brand management.

You might say Mary is also a clever brand manager or even a more clever harlot manipulator, but she does not promote herself above the family she married into or think she is smarter. If Meghan were truly "smart" or "smarter" these threads would never have existed. Not at least to the extent they do now, because we had Kate hate threads to latch onto here long before anyone heard of "Meghan Markle."

I think the BRF and the British public are actually pretty forgiving if a transgressor appears to show remorse, keeps their head down and just gets on with the job, eg Sophie, Kate and Fergie. MM has had plenty of feedback over very specific things - "woke" commentary, overspending, showboating - and apart from lame PR for damage control, just carries on.

Sophie is perhaps, the biggest and best example of this, R294. Her pow-wow with the fake, rich "Arabs" and providing promises from the RF was the biggest blow to the idea that someone could marry into the RF and still keep her "commoner" job. Oh, fucking hell, Sophie was like the worst Tory ever who had himself entrenched in British governance and even more selfish. Her education? "Sophie then trained as a secretary at West Kent College, Tonbridge.[10]" That was a big selling point of Edward's marriage -- that she actually had and would keep and support herself with a job and be a modern "Royal" female. Except she got stung just like Fergie by a newspaper's undercover op that realized her greed -- inevitably associated with the RF:

IMO, this is almost as bad as the "Black Spider Memos" as Sophie Wessex has absolutely no education or practical experience in the real world to be proclaiming herself some sort of diplomate. And yet she said so much shit and got an expensive wardrobe and Bagshot Park, too!

[quote]In the News of the World 's transcripts, the countess appears to betray strong Tory sympathies, describing it as a 'shame' if William Hague loses the election. She dismisses Gordon Brown's Budget as 'pap', criticises Labour's attempts to ban fox hunting, and accuses former Prime Minister John Major of leaking damaging royal information to distract from his political problems.

[quote]The thoughts of the countess and Harkin were secretly recorded at a lunch in London's Dorchester Hotel on 14 March. Also present was R-JH account director Brett Perkins, and two undercover 'fake sheikhs', the News of the World 's Mahzer Mahmood and photojournalist Conrad Brown.

[quote]Asked about hunting, the countess accuses Blair of not understanding countryside issues.

[quote]Sophie: 'He's ignorant of the countryside. His wife is even worse, she hates the countryside. She hates it! And because the popular vote is within the city, he's going to go with that all the time. I mean because of the foot and mouth situation they've been forced to take notice of the countryside.'

[quote]Mahmood: 'She [Cherie] seems low key.'

[quote]Sophie: 'She's an intelligent woman and I think she wanted to keep her hand in. Or maybe she didn't think her husband's government was going to last long so she'd have to go back to work anyway.'

[quote]The reporter then asks who is going to lose the forthcoming general election.

[quote]Harkin: 'The Tories.'

[quote]Sophie: 'I think the majority is too great. Labour will lose a lot of seats.'

[quote]Harkin: 'Portillo seems nice. Has a bit of panache about him, a bit of style, which Hague doesn't seem to.'

[quote]Sophie: 'It's a shame really because William is very intelligent. I think he's got real vision. But he's got this awful kind of way he talks, like that all the time [mimics Hague]. He sounds like a puppet unfortunately. When we used to see John Major he had this real problem of being quite defensive, especially at Prime Minister's question time. Also, in front of a TV camera he came across as completely wooden ... 'I have to say that I blame him, [Major] and a lot of people do, for a number of things, and he used the royal family terribly badly to cover up a lot of things they were doing. The leaks that came from Downing Street were frightening.'

R236 Mary didn't really have a past, she fucked a few guys but that is hardly scandalous. On what planet do you think Mary had it easy, she was viciously trolled all over the internet but instead of whining and acting the victim, she ignored it and it went away. All the Princesses I've named below have been harassed and bullied by the public and the media in their countries. All of them were viciously trolled online. ALL of them shut the fuck up, didn't complain and got on with their jobs and are left alone. Ironically one Princess who wasn't harassed or bullied is Princess Angela, a black woman who is greatly admired because she is not a fame whore.

Queen Letizia: a divorcee who was rumoured to be an atheist and rumoured abortion, a no no in a catholic country

Queen Maxima: her father, Jorge Zorreguieta a politician who served as Minister of Agriculture in the regime of General Jorge Rafael Videla, a military dictator who ruled Argentina who was responsible for many atrocities against civilians aprox 10,000–30,000 people were kidnapped and murdered. The Parliament of the Netherlands had to vote to approve of her marriage to WA but her father wasn't allowed attend.

Princess Mabel of Orange-Nassau: after her engagement to Prince Friso, it became known that Mabel had been friends with drug lord Klaas Bruinsma. The Dutch media claimed Mabel had been the girlfriend of Klaas Bruinsma, and his former bodyguard supported the claim. Prince Friso and Princess Mabel didn’t receive permission from the government to get married so Prince Friso gave up his place in line to the Dutch throne, he was 3rd in line at the time

Crown Princess Mette Marit: A single mother, a former drug user with an ex with a violent past.

Princess Sophia of Sweden: a "glamour model" who was on a reality show she was crowned Miss Slitz by readers of the Swedish men’s magazine.

And then there's princessy Markle, lying manipulator and user, who whined and cried as a method to endear herself to the public and the family she never had.

R117, amen to that. These people aren't celebs who need to make money money off their looks or what they wear to a some wedding.

The poster who is going on about underwear garment doesn’t realise that most woman in the BRF have natural breasts not some bolted on melons from plastic surgery .

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Did MM have a boob job and then get them removed?

Bea and Eug's position at birth wasn't exactly the same as Princess Elizabeth of York's. The Prince of Wales in 1926 had no wife and no kids, and didn't seem interested in acquiring any. (Possibly couldn't have kids at all, if the mumps story is true.) It was known early on that this little girl might very well end up Queen. That was never assumed with Bea. Also, as has been pointed out, times were very different in the 20s.

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R245 - In the first place, the media in those countries discussed those royal brides' pasts aplenty. Mette-Marit had to make a public speech apologising for her past mistakes, and Maxima of Holland had to make a public speech about her father's role in the regime in Argentina AND had an egg thrown at her golden coach on the way back to the palace after the wedding - it hit the window on the side she was sitting on and was immediately wiped off by the gloved hand of the "footman" who was probably a military man walking alongside the coach.

And, we did have a thread about Other European Royals in which those pasts were also discussed.

This just happens to be a thread about the BRITISH royal family, of whom the former Ms Markle is now, after hungering after just this kind of fame for years, is now a member.

If you'd like to start a new thread about Other European Royals, we'll be delighted to talk about the pasts of Mary, Maxima (a well-known European playgirl), Sofia of Sweden, etc. ,etc.

And for the record, it's not Meghan's "past" or her ambition that's so offensive, but once in, her utter inability to hide her contempt for the very people who gave her what she couldn't get for herself, the cheesy PEOPLE Magazine articles that contain material like anonymous friends dropping the Archbishop of Canterbury's name to show Meghan's deep spiritual nature, the shallow trendy philosophical twaddle, the PR wars she singlehandedly engendered with the future King of Great Britain, and her inability to hide her narcissism, her love of the limelight, and that she sees Harry and the BRF as nothing more than a stepping-stone for a personal agenda that has nothing to do with the job of representing the institution that is part of the bargain.

While her lifestyle is paid for by her British taxpayers and her husband's rich father, and her status is based on who she married, all whilst bleating about feminism.

The difference between her and Mary, Maxima, Sofia, et al., is that once in, they were smart enough to shift into the right gear. Meghan Markle can't even do that.

She's a pretentious narcissistic shallow twat. That's the problem, not the fact that as spent 15 years trying to become a global star she probably opened her legs to more men than Mary, Maixma, and Mette-Marit combined, if she thought they could get her an inch farther up the ladder she so nakedly desired to climb.

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R308 Eugenie's hair is dire here..

R297-that's why I find MM fascinating. She's not stupid - else she wouldn't be where she is - and yet she won't do the very simple things that would take the heat off. I'm convinced she has NPD and can't control her impulses. It's fascinating to watch. She's a train wreck hurtling off a cliff.

Photos of Queen Victoria's necklaces which are also worn by the Queen today.

R292, no, we can't all agree on Edo being gorgeous. Of the many boring blonde supposed hotties I've scrolled through on these BRF gossip threads, only Pippa's ex Nico made me take a second look. Edo is a pleasant-looking pretty(ish) boy who'd charm your grandmother.

R302 - In 1926, the Prince of Wales' bachelorhood was not seen quite yet as so much of a permanence, he hadn't yet met Wallis, and while his father wasn't particularly happy about his preference for cafe society and married women, many still assumed that at some point he'd do his duty by the bloodline and marry a suitable girl, amongst whom the prime candidates were women like the beautiful Rosemary Leveson-Gower. In the event, it didn't come off (partly due to the black sheep in her family to whom Edward's father objected, a decision he probably bitterly regretted later on), although Edward was allegedly very taken with her, and she married the 3rd Earl Dudley (factoid: actress Rachel Ward is her granddaughter). She served as a nurse in WWI and was killed young in a plane crash returning from France - she had booked a flight back to England but when an earlier one became available, took that one, instead - shades of Appointment in Samarra.

It was the early nineteen thirties before everyone quietly began to see the handwriting on the wall re Edward's refusal to marry suitably and wonder about the future of the Yorks, although nothing was ever said outright - except by King George V himself, who allegedly raged, "After I am gone the boy will ruin himself in twelve months" (a startling prediction that turned out to be accurate, Edward's reign lasted only just under one year), and "I pray he will never marry and nothing will come between Bertie, Lilibet and the throne").

But none of this was that evident when Elizabeth was born in 1926. Bea's and Yuge's royal status was exactly the same as Elizabeth's at birth: granddaughters of the Sovereign in the male line, and their status as born royal princesses - had anything happened to Charles whilst William and Harry were young children, Andrew probably would have been put on notice as a potential Regent in the event something also happened to the Queen.

The Queen walks by British Airways flight attendants waving the flag.

Megstans are going after Carole Middleton now.

R299, oh ffs man - not wearing appropriate foundation garments is actually harmful to breasts and ages them faster. Natural breasts are perfectly nice - why the fuck NOT take care of the and if you're going to a royal wedding in an expensive gown, what is your problem with wearing undergarments that finish of the look?! What the fuck about this very logical and minor point about good dressing is getting your knickers in a twist?!

R315 - Yes, Meghan and her PR and her rabid fraustans have added so much dignity to the Firm, haven't they?

I do hope the BRF has some plan in place to get rid of the Sussexes after what, I believe, used to be called "a decent interval".

I don't think the "Africa Plan" will do. It appears to have disappeared as soon as it was floated.

Meanwhile, they have time to build a nice family photo album, like the one with HM and the DoE smiling happily at Archie, to prove that the Sussexes are leaving the Firm of their own accord and haven't been driven out by by Those Racist Classist Windsors.

R304, that thumbnail....Mulroney belongs on a real housewives franchise and MM looking very rough.

I think these engagements photos of Princess Anne and Mark Phillips were the most romantic and elegant.

Anne with her big hair in the 1970's.

R296, I'd forgotten about Princess Sophia of Sweden and her Prince. Now there's a hot royal.

Never mind tiaras and necklaces, just the Queen's brooches alone would cost a fortune

Hats. Check. Handbags. Check. Pearls. Check. Gloves. Check. Sisters Elizabeth and Margaret are in sync.

William and Harry back when they were close - and had some hair.

Mozzi has nothing to worry about.

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R320 that dress is giving Meghan’s Oscar de la Renta monstrosity a run for its money.

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Mozzi has nothing to worry about. Part 5.

R322 - It's missing, unless I couldn't scroll down far enough, the brooch holding the enormous pear-shaped bit cut from the Cullinan diamond. I believe HM has a ring with a huge pear-shaped diamond also cut from the Cullinan. I think the family used jokingly to call these "Granny's [Queen Mary's] chips."

There is a formal portrait of the Queen somewhere sitting in a chair, with Philip standing behind her (perhaps an anniversary photo?) wearing both the Cullinan brooch and the ring.

One can only wonder what it must be like to be the person get dressed for the photo, calmly pinning on the brooch (which requires quite a bit of backing because of the pendant's weight) and slipping on the ring.

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Mozzi has nothing to worry about. Part 7.

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R334 - Looking at those photos, the answer to the question posed by so many here (i.e., Why can't the York girls learn how to dress themselves?) is answered.

Re the photos of Jessica Mulroney and Meghan Markle above - they radiate the auras of the sort of third-rate poseurs that they are: virtually talentless except for ferocious social ambition and the will to work tirelessly at turning themselves into products that are so glaringly less than the sum of their individual parts.

Third-rate all the way around.

And, they look far more natural together than either one does with their respective spouses. Btw, has anyone ever SEEN a photo of Mulroney with her, er, husband?

Harry off to Rome next week leaving Jessica and Sparkles to take a well-earned holiday together after their successful three-year campaign to Get Meghan A Top Spot To Everyone's Mutual Benefit.

The primo famous British hubby-check; title-check; real wealth-check; global profile-check; insurance policy sprog produced-check.

Work done, time to relax and take it all in.

R319's photos are by Lord Snowdon, and I agree. That's a real fairytale princess. It makes Diana's wedding dress look try-hard in that respect.

Given its 'fairytale' intention, Anne's engagement dress hasn't dated a minute in 40 years.

R323 I’d like to see a comeback of these kind of dainty little 1950s hats. Had it with the fascinators.

I'd be down to have Fergie and Andrew as my in-laws. At least they're entertaining and would make for endless stories, rather than being stick in the mud sorts.

I'm not the poster who posts about foundation garments, this is my first foray into that discussion. But with regards to bras, there is a study that suggest bras do more harm than not when it comes to sagging. Also there is something to be said for going braless or wearing so-called bralettes that are popular today, especially when you have small/ smaller breasts (A-B cups). It's more comfortable and keeps sagging at bay. Bigger breasts do sag and stretch out more due to dynamics of gravity and the physiological changes due to aging. Breast tissues that determine size are made up of fat (more in large-breasts than small) and glandular tissues that produce milk (same size more or less in all women). That's why breasts sag, it's mostly fatty tissues.

On an unrelated front, both Kate and Meghan are "slim" in the sense that they have trim figures without a lot of body fat. In Kate's case, she's still curvy with admirable hip-waist ratio even as she doesn't have huge breasts. Being shapely or curvy does not mean huge breasts, rather it has everything to do with waist-hip ratio and it's clear that Kate (from old bikini photo earlier in marriage) has this. Meghan is a bit tricky since she does have a boxy torso and no waistline. And yes, you can be curvy with preferred waist-hip ratio and have small breasts, A-B cups. Or you can have large breasts and have no curves to speak of, e.g. no discernible waist or hips. So what we're talking about is proportions, same thing goes for height. I see many here talk about height as if being tall automatically makes you well-proportioned. That's false too, I've seen plenty of tall women with too-long waists, short limbs, wide shoulders, boxy torsos, and other markers of bad proportions. On the other hand, you look at many of the professional ballet dancers in the past/ recent past and they have elongated proportions but are not super tall.

That's what makes Meghan's body so difficult to dress, the short neck, wide shoulders, and barrel-like waistless torso, and without the height to create illusion of elongation. She's not short, as in not enough to meet fashion definition of short (163 cm and under), but she doesn't have good or elongated proportions from hips upwards. Compare her body to someone who's actually petite, Bolshoi ballerina who's also performed with Royal Ballet, Eugenie Obraztsova who's all of 158 cm. She's petite with elongated musculoskeletal build who happens to also have great waist-hip ratio. She by the way is a mother to 2-year-old twins, so talk about body envy.

R339.....

Meghan looked her absolute best when the Suits stylists, make-up artists and hair stylists were taking care of her. She needs to hire some of those people.

She looked good when Dior payed for stylists during her ireland trip

R243 is the biggest numpty here. The Count of Monte Cristo is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER from a Dumas novel.

You ignoramus, you missed the joke.

So you see, Edo wasn't really spending time with a fictional character, as dashing as he was.

[quote] payed

Oh Dear!

I take your point, R313, but I'd still argue that the 1920s with no direct heirs to the Prince of Wales is different from the 1980s with two direct heirs to the Prince of Wales, especially given the advances in medicine and security which made the premature deaths of the PoW or his sons very unlikely. However, we can certainly agree to cordially disagree!

I do think that going forwards, HRHs will only go to the children of direct heirs. It seems that even Royal dukedoms may not be a certainty except for the younger sons of direct heirs, if Archie Harrison is a sign of things to come. That will certainly jibe with Prince Charles' 'slimmed down' Royal Family. However, without titles, the ordinariness of these people becomes even more apparent, which does diminish the mystique of the BRF somewhat.

Meghan shares a body type with Judy Garland: short neck, broad shoulders, no waist, long legs. Judy looked her best during her TV show, in the sheath dresses, pencil skirts, and slim cropped pants that were in style in the early 60s. Those styles are still very much in evidence today, and Meghan would do well to adopt them. Oversized, overfussy clothes do her no favors.

'And, they look far more natural together than either one does with their respective spouses. Btw, has anyone ever SEEN a photo of Jessica's husband'

And we're off! The Welp Troll, a Larrie, is insinuating that Meghan is a LESBIAN! I knew it was only a matter of time. This crazy bitch believes everyone is closeted and bearding.

'Meghan shares a body type with Judy Garland'

JG was dumpy, even fat. Meghan is almost too skinny. Try again, troll.

kate needs to burn these pants.

Her torso looks even longer than usual and her legs look like they belong to a midget. No wonder she always wears sky high heels and absurd hems on her dresses. She also has broad shoulders that give the impression of a slimmer waistline.

R243 is the Welp Troll who thinks everyone is gay and bearding. She's dumb so don't expect her to pick up on any literary allusions.

R343 also tried to make dunces of us all by trying to attribute a famous Bryon poem to Edo. She's on the thread to shame posters for their lack of knowledge about history/royalty and literature. Probably an ex teacher, now retired.

R346, I agree. And r341, agree with you as well. She looked good in her “Suits” wardrobe. I suppose she isn’t supposed to wear pantsuits, but I think she looked good in those. And no more belted thingies!

This is Judy Garland during her TV show days, R348. She was quite slim. Maybe you should learn something about pop culture and history before you start calling other people trolls.

Her legs are pretty atrocious. No shape, no definition. I like how the one poster here who obsesses over her (seriously, do the ignore feature on this frau and she has all the posts saying how pretty and slim is Meghan and trolls with pics of Smegs "posing" on the red carpet with the crossed legs, hip thrust tricks).

Gurl needs some weight training to give the illusion of shape.

Oh my god, I'd forgotten how tragic those knees are. No wonder the Suits stylists had her wearing longer pencil skirts.

Ugly, scrawny legs on that Markle girl. Kate's got nice legs. Diana had nice legs.

Diana had fantastic legs. Not much waist--classic banana build, but nobody looked past the eyes and smile and legs.

Markle is pretty and slim. But she’s an odd shape and her calves are like toothpicks. Just my opinion.

These discussions always remind me of the ones on Dlisted regarding Kate Upton. She also has a boxy, waistless torso, but straight men didn’t care. Those big natural breasts make up for it.

Whatever you opinion of her behavior, there is no denying that MM is an attractive woman. I don't understand, especially after years of being well-dressed on Suits, she couldn't emulate her wardrobe from the TV show and dress to her advantage. Surely she picked up a few tips over 7 years.

She knows better than those silly tv people, R359! Megan knows best about everything.

Oh well you can’t merch than R359 . She has to wear what JM gives her to wear .

You can't fault her for her genetics. She obviously gets her nose, torso, and legs from Peepaw Markle.

It didn't stop him from having an illustrious career in public service, and it won't stop her.

R349, except for the color, those cropped trousers are fine. She needed a boxy, short-sleeved top to go with them, to balance out the proportions and really be on trend.

The wife of the Queen's cousin hosted a garden party at Buckingham Palace today. This was the second of the season for the Duchess of Gloucester.

R339, I started posting about the bra thing, then decided I was getting too frau-y. But yeah, I've never worn a bra and my old boobs are almost as perky as when I was 14.

Gisele Bundchen is a good example of someone lacking the waist-to-hip ratio. Like with Kate Upton, I'm sure hetero men love those big boobies, but when not she's not contorting her upper and lower body in opposite directions to give an illusion of a mid-section curve, there's no sex appeal.

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I think Kate is much better at dressing her figure, and has a better figure than MM. Those brown culottes were the worst thing I've seen her in for a long time. It was the cut, not the cropped factor. It just made her waist look too long and too slim whilst being too loose/baggy on the outer thigh area. Just weird. I loved the blouse, though.

Meghan is quite pretty (and has obviously had facial work done) pretty and I don't think her skinny legs are a flaw per se, but her torso is her problem area. Short, boxy, not feminine. Her build kind of reminds of that blonde yoga guru who was palling around with Paltrow for a bit. Tracy Anderson. (photo at link)

R341, I think Meghan is an attractive woman, but her looking better on Suits is probably just as much movie magic as hair, makeup and costuming.

Maybe sharing too much, but I had huge boobs. Born with them. Always got me lots of attention. Then I found out I have the BRCA gene, and had to get them removed. Afterwards I didn’t feel depressed, just liberated. I no longer had industrial-strength bras with wires cutting into my flesh.

Rehearsals in central London for the Queen's Birthday Parade on Sat June 8 (aka Trooping The Colour).

What a charming pic of the Cambridges~ very My Fair Lady

200 drawings by Leonardo Da Vinci will be on display starting tomorrow at the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace. If you're in London and can't get a ticket to see inside Buckingham Palace, I would advise you to go see the Queen's gallery and the Royal Mews. I've visited both and they're highly recommended. The Gallery is small compared to the National Gallery but has some great treasures from the Royal Collection. I especially loved the miniature portraits. The Royal Mews has horses, various carriages, the gold Coronation coach and great old cars. Of course, you should check to see that there isn't any event going on or the Mews would be practically empty.

R368

She looks like a bobble head doll

Why are people recommending Markle dress as on Suits, or in other words, strap on the butt and boob pads? We have seen her management of such while on the move, and it is not pretty. This must be coming from the same DL whiner who is offended by breasts, or in other words, clueless.

R375 - I am the poster you are referring to, and I'm not offended by breasts I'm offended by bad dressing that ruins formal outfits.

And I didn't post the Why Doesn't Markle Dress As She Did On Suits poster - I never watched Suits. I had no idea who she was until she leaked the news that she was the future Mrs Harry Windsor.

Having seen since then photos of her in her peak Suits days, whoever that poster was, s/she's right, and not because Sparkle was wearing boob and butt pads, but because the clothes were better fitted to her figure, with better tailoring, sleeker, less fussy, and not trying to scream, "Look at me I'm a Duchess and Look how Expensive my new rags are! - And I didn't even have to pay for them! You did!"

R357 - Agree completely. But you left out the gorgeous skin and huge blue eyes. Between those, and the spectacular legs enhaced by her height, the straight waist became irrelevant. It was alledgely "Vogue" experts, to whom Diana turned in the earliest days of Princesshood for help, who persuaded her to stop trying to give herself a waist by trying to emphasise it, and move the focus to those legs.

To those who suggested Lady Collin Campbell's book, about Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, thank you. What a delightfully bitchy, snobby takedown of that old manipulative bitch! From her questionable provenance to her first pick of a husband, Edward to Bertie, the abdication, the jealousy of Wallis and Margaret, and her own widowhood, what a ball busting bitch! Megan must remind the Queen of her manipulative mother! Great read!

Say what you will about the Queen Mother, she had impeccable manners, something MM is lacking.

Someone upthread posted Jessica Mulroney’s husband is rarely photographed. Someone posted a photo of him from Jessica Mulroney’s Instagram. Ben Mulroney, the son of former PM Brian Mulroney, is a tv host in Canada, hardly invisible.

I bet Jessica is in town to help MM choose some more fugly expensive outfits.

Her spring and summer princess mommy costumes.

[quote]I bet Jessica is in town to help MM choose some more fugly expensive outfits.

....and enjoy the peaceful surrounds at Frogmore Cottage.

R334 That reminds me of the Swedish royal mishap. It is hilarious that the men circled her to protect her modesty from the press.

R356 What is odd about MM's legs is that her lower left leg bows backward. It could be one of the reasons she has such an awkward way of walking. She stands with her legs wide apart , which could help her stay steady while perched on her stilletos.

R365 Giselle got breast implants and a Brazilian butt (fat injections) or butt implants within the last year or two.

I was shocked at how bad Letizia looked at her wedding. I don't like the dress, her hair color, or her makeup. Did she get a nose job and facelift afterward? She looks so much better now with darker hair. Her face looks different and better.

See I think the fallout between Harry and William started once William decided he wanted to be King. I believe just like Fergie and Diana bonded against the BRF; I think one thing both boys shared was their desire not to be King. Diana let Fergie down when she did not follow through with divorcing Charles and Harry probably feels betrayed because William actually wants to be King..

That's possible, but Harry's an idiot if he didn't think William would embrace his responsibilities once he had children. People always get more conservative as they get older. Did he think William would abdicate and leave the burden on his preschooler son's shoulders?

[quote] See I think the fallout between Harry and William started once William decided he wanted to be King.

Whatever does this mean?

William was always destined for the role of king. It would be his by default.

For him to choose not to be king would require a proactive move on his part. Has there ever been such indication?

I believe Lady Colin Campbell also claimed that the Queen Mother (and her younger brother) was really the daughter of the family's French cook, who was used as a surrogate.

Because, with seven previous children, it was obvious that the Countess of Strathmore 1) needed two more and2) turned to the French cook. The family resemblance along the jawline of the Countess and her daughter, and the striking resemblance between Elizabeth and her older sister, Lady Rose, is simply a coincidence. By the way, at the time the book was published, Lady C. C. came in for withering criticism for publishing completely unverified and unverifiable statements such as these.

I'm the poster who recommended MM return to her Suits looks. I, too, never watched the show, but images of her from that time period are her best. Hair was styled beautifully and healthy and glossy. Makeup was lovely - not a lot of troweled on bronzer and pink lip gloss like now, both of which make her look cheap and older than she is. And the clothes fit and flattered her shape. Right now she tends to be a hot mess, which is a real accomplishment for someone who is an attractive woman. It's puzzling because all she has to do is follow what worked before. It's not rocket science.

Was Lady Colin Campbell's book available for sale in the UK? Considering their strict libel laws...

Anyway, the rumors about the cook being the QM's biological mom could be true if their father was having an affair, which wouldn't have been unheard of for this set. The Duke and Duchess of Windsor calling her 'Cookie' had a double-slap to it: the rumor of her being the cook's kid and her being pudgy.

But, the story of her wanting the PoW and not his stammering younger brother also explains why she was so unrelenting in her hatred towards the former king. She never got over the rejection.

I think MM's excessive use of bronzer is to highlight her being an 'exotical'. She's naturally extremely pale and if your being paraded as the Black Princess, looking racially ambiguous isn't the way to go.

Not an attack on her under any circumstance but I kind of get it...the show must go on and backsliding on this now would be foolish. She should get spray tans and be done with it.

R386, Queen Letizia looks terrible in that picture. How she manages to look both dour & sour at the time, boggles the mind.

She's definitely had some work done but it's impeccable...a proper tweak can take you from a 7.5 to a near 9 without much effort.

Now, if we're talking about a wife that properly severed the umbilical cord, it Letizia. She came to win and gave zero fucks about feelings. I like her style.

But, ummm...the rumor about her being the former king's mistress long before she took up with Felipe...lurid gossip or is there a faint glimmer of truth?

WTF? I want to hear more!

What the hell is with the Sussexes and their diminishing sense of style? Harry is positively disheveled in his shabby small-town southern lawyer mess. Do they not have irons on Windsor? Pictured receiving guests at Kensington Palace--today.

That picture at R396...

For Harry to dress in that fashion, wrinkled jacket, pants with no crease, no tie, while the 3 visitors are dressed up for the occasion is insulting to the visitors.

What's the message Dim is sending?- I don't think you are important enough to even bother wearing tidy clothes.

Insulting.

Good heavens, Harry looks appalling in that photo. He has to be losing tough with reality to dress that way for an official event, even a modest day event.

How hard is it to put on a pressed suit and tie?

Normally new parenthood can account for a dishevelled appearance, but let's be honest - I doubt ANY of the royals have ever got up in the night to feed a baby!

It's fine for him to look tired, but there's no excuse for a his clothing to be informal and rumpled.

Does he really not have any personal staff left with him?

He needs some advice from Alpha.

R365 Not all straight men love big tits. Most are indifferent to size unless they’re those dumb tits and ass guys. Men prefer a pretty face, then fit body. There are many straight men who prefer petite women with “tight bodies” as my very hetero cousin says. These men tend to be younger and don’t have as much gender stereotypes, if one goes with what porn searches and watching preferences show, Found this out when I worked on a psych research project that examined sexuality and porn.

Does anyone here remember how many events William did in the days and weeks after George's birth? In my mind I feel like we saw hardly anything of either hi or his wife for months but i could be wrong. Harry's just been out and about a lot and it feels a little odd for a brand new dad.

Both William and Harry chose small-breasted women with boyish, slim figures.

WTF Harry?

It's his fucking job, representing the Queen at these events. Her Majesty has been doing a lot more work than Harry lately, she doesn't show up looking like an unmade bed. Asshole.

Time for Granny or Charles to have Harry in for a talk. A brief reminder of exactly what other posters have written. It's rude and disrespectful to the people who go to these events to show up looking slovenly. Proper grooming is required when representing Granny to her people. It's literally 30% of the job.

R368 Yes, Tracy Anderson has an unfortunate build, from short / nonexistent neck to wide shoulders and boxy, straight torso. She and Kate Upton, Kelly Bensimon, and to lesser degree Gisele, can’t be described as curvy. Meghan has similar body type and unfortunately no workout can change that. She can however do some weight training exercises to bulk up her legs so that they balance out her boxy top half of body. Her thin legs look fine if her top half is also small in build, but it’s the opposite and both halves make each other look worse with the exaggerated disconnect.

Nothing pisses me off more about those two together than their inability to button up their fucking jackets. Sloppy. Lazy. Beneath their roles.

Harkle on their first royal tour together as a married couple last July.. Same sloppy dress code for Harry for this formal royal visit.

^^^^ Two day visit was to Ireland.

r410

R384 Meghan's left leg has noticeable tibial torsion compared to her right leg. There are degrees of tibial torsion that are within normal variances and sometime people have both legs with tibial torsion or just one leg more that's more affected than the other. Tibial torsion makes it harder for the woman to walk in high heels shoes, as the weight gets distributed on the lateral aspects of the affected knee(s), ankle(s), and foot/ feet. What's worse is that besides damage/ wear and tear, if you have tibial torsion and continue wearing heels then it actually makes the condition worse. Instead of stabilizing one you reach adulthood, your affected joint will worn down and become more deformed when you become older. Wearing high heels also make the tibial torsion look worse than it actually is. Here's a photo in the article demonstrating an example of woman with tibial torsion wearing heels.

People have noted how much Harry has aged in the last two years (and blame it on MM). I think his drug habit has really escalated. She looks like she likes to party, too. It would explain why they so often look so unkempt.

I wonder if the more frequent appearances of Eugenie, Beatrice and Prince Andrew at these events is a direct result of the problems with the Sussex duo.

Perhaps the RF realize that they can't really count on Sparkle and Dim, that Charles will not interfere and seems increasingly distant about all this.

That picture at R396 does not speak well of Harry at all.

I find it difficult to believe that he is living somewhere that no one takes care of his clothes. He looks like he grabbed that outfit off the floor.

Is the photo at R410 photoshopped? It's so creepy.

Yes, I think they realize Harry is a poor investment and are focusing their efforts on the Yorks. Hell, they even took Prince Philip out of the mothballs a couple of times recently. Now they've just got to figure out how to quietly sideline the Harkles.

R412, we have known forever that heels are bad for women—what’s your point? Women have continued—and will continue to wear them because men like them.

R403 - The aura of Alpha-ism is definitely increasingly visiblearound William these days.

Harry and William remind me of the girls in “Ghost World”. Growing apart because they want different things as they mature. Sorry it’s a lame comparison, but.

Only in this tiny section of the interwebs is William an alpha anything.

R414, I thought he’d have a valet or someone to take care of his wardrobe. One might assume a wife would be that person, but honestly I don’t know many wives who tell their husbands what to wear and track their wardrobes. I don’t see Meghan being that kind of wife.

So who was doing that before he married? And why isn’t that person doing it now?

R415 That is the Sussex duo among the sculptures of the Famine Memorial in Dublin.

Thank you, R422. I looked up the series of photos taken at the Famine Memorial. It looks like they were upset or angered by something someone in the crowd said or did.

But, r423, he was dressed for a trip to the grocery store before they got to their public appearance at the Irish Famine Memorial.

I would love to see the Famine Memorial in person. The Korean War Memorial in D.C. has a similar look. The sculptures almost make you feel as though you were there.

I agree, R423. I just noticed that in addition to his casual outfit, Harry looked unhappy in the photos at R410.

R426, they were walking among sculptures depicting starving people. Did you expect them to do a jig?

Thank you, R268. I bet it just burns her up to have to be known as "Princess Michael" instead of "Princess Marie Christine." It eats at her and that's why she's such a wild bitch.

If you look at the series of photos taken, you'll see they weren't paying a bit of attention the the sculptures, R427.

He was dressed inappropriately. He's representing the Queen and Her Majesty doesn't do casual Fridays.

R420, his supposed sexiness aside, doesn't his role as first son and future king automatically make him "alpha"?

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[quote]they were walking among sculptures depicting starving people.

That’s not keeping Meg from being on the verge of her usual smirk.

He's bringing ALL of his children to visit the Queen? Did Her Majesty invite all of them?

I don't recall the Obamas, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Bushes, the Reagans, the Carters, the Fords, the Nixons, the Johnsons, the Kennedys or the Eisenhowers doing anything like this. It's minimal family and minimal staff so as not to impose too heavily on Her Majesty and the BP staff, not a family reunion. Is he still trying to force the old girl to break out the gold coach for him? The nerve.

Just watch those trampy trump women try to show up in tiaras. Even Jackie couldn't get away with that, much to her disappointment. She settled for a pair of diamond clips in her hair that looked tiara-ish.

So fucking rude. I hope they tell him to get fucked - having to put up with one Trump is traumatic enough.

R409 Harry & William then hold their jackets together with one hand. It's like MM fiddling with her hair.

US Taxpayers just paid at least $20,000 for Tiffany Trump to go to Cannes with her boyfriend.

R438 Presidential families have been exploiting the taxpayer for ages. Even President Obama’s daughters and mother-in-law went with Mrs. Obama to Spain, Morocco and Liberia. I’m sure the taxpayer funded them too.

The Obama girls and Granny were traveling WITH the First Lady. Her security detail was huge, her plane private and big enough to fit the other three without a stretch.

I see no Melania at Cannes with the fat trump daughter and the boyfriend.

The Obama girls were underage R439. The Trump children are adults with spouses. I doubt it would be newsworthy if Trump were only bringing Melania and Barron along for the state visit. This is a diplomatic trip, not a family holiday. If that DM story is correct, it's tacky AF.

Harry's appearance has definitely dropped down to the level of his wife's disheveled unattractive LA hippie druggie approach. Since she can't help herself, how can she help him?

Thank you for the technical explanation of Markle's lower limb problem. She is an idiot who will never change.

[quote]If that DM story is correct, it's tacky AF.

Yep, that’s our president.

R414 Charles may well be distant, but it's understandable. He got his ass handed to him for his treatment of Diana, so he ain't about to give Meghan and Harry a hard time, especially since they seem quite willing to use the victim card and Diana's media tricks.

I just got my rejection letter to be the Queen's digital communications officer. So sad!

'I just noticed that in addition to his casual outfit, Harry looked unhappy in the photos at [R410].'

Skippie alert. 'He looks miserable with her/no sexual chemistry' are the battle cries of the tinhat.

R425 - I've visited the Famine Memorial on a trip to Dublin years ago. The memorial was near my hotel so I passed it every day. Being of Irish descent, I always stopped and said a prayer for the poor souls. It was very moving. The Irish still feel quite strongly about the famine. I remember on a bus tour of the Ring of Kerry, the bus driver suddenly stopped in the middle of nowhere and told us to follow him. He took us into a field and then we saw it - a little overgrown graveyard. He said that the people died of starvation. The tour group was very quiet for the rest of the journey.

I imagine it’s similar in feeling to the Berlin Holocaust memorial. I lived in Dublin in the 90s and will make a point to see the Famine Memorial on my next visit.

R405

That is because he has to get away from her

I just discovered William's title in Northern Ireland is Baron Carrickfergus. That sounds like a pantomime villain. Almost as bad as the Earl of Dumbarton.

Andrew is in Canada.

Harry if anyone is the Alpha with BDE. Serving in Afganistan gave him that. William just spazzed around doing search and rescue, losing all his hair and getting jowly in his 30s.

[quote]I just discovered William's title in Northern Ireland is Baron Carrickfergus. That sounds like a pantomime villain.

Why? Is “Carrickfergus” a word you’ve never heard before?

R452 = grasping at straws!

R445 I bet they investigated you and found you on this BRF gossip thread - can you blame them 😂

Randy Andy is no more. He's gigantic.

I can't get over how much work Jessica Mulroney did to her face, she is like a completely different person.

That JM is fugly OMG even with the plastic surgery .

Imagine flying to Rome for a polo game. Yeah, it's for charity but still a waste.

Posing in wrinkled clothes. Harry is a mess.

Happy Birthday to this Old Bag. Victoria was a pretty horrid mother.

Kate's garden at Chelsea was such a hit that fans lined up for 2 hours.

Harry looks like he's living out of a suitcase given the state of his clothes.

Diana on her honeymoon.

R418 No duh Sherlock. Just because some men like women in high heels it doesn’t mean women should cave into pressure, especially self-styled feminist like Meghan. The point is if you have prominent knee joints/ tibial torsion, it means there’s some functional weakness/ instability/ inflexibility as a result of anatomical misalignment. Therefore you have far greater chance to further damage your joints and lower legs by wearing high heels. It can fuck up your legs in more ways than one if you have misaligned instead of aligned set of legs.

R45, the population of "middle class girls" worth $5+ million each is vanishingly small.

Diana had a fairly miserable honeymoon.

When the newly-married couple were aboard a royal yacht on their honeymoon, Diana found a picture of Camilla Parker Bowles slip out of her husband’s diary.

Royal biographer Sarah Bradford continues: “On honeymoon Charles was wearing cufflinks that Camilla gave him.”

Ms Bedell Smith adds: “All she did was worry about her and whether Charles was really telling her the truth.”

But the mens like it R465 so women have to fall in line as ordered, even at the expense of their health. Right Megan?

R420 - Oh, I beg to differ: in Real Britain, as opposed to just this little corner of the web, he's still the next but one King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland with all the wealth and influence and status that indicates. His Papa is worth $400 million and he will be the heir to some of the richest landholdings, art collection, and social status in the world. Britian's PM will be meeting with him once a week, just as Theresa May has been with his Gran. If you think that stuff doesn't count in Alpha World, think again.

Mulroney looks “better” with her surgically recreated face.

Her husband pings to high heaven. Everywhere he goes... cookies!

Harry probably IS living out of a suitcase.

R457 - Christ, Mulroney looks like ghoul after that face work.

Regarding shoes, women don't just dress for men, they dress for themselves and other women.

R420 thinks primogeniture is almost as complicated as monarch + mate = heir.

Are Mulroney and Me-me-me-gan in a competition for "Who can have the fattest face?"

R359 - Disagree. She's been skinny-fat for over a decade. There's no muscle on her. The combination of pregnancy and aging has blown the bloom off of whatever was left of her rose. She's gonna be blowsy for the rest of her life.

Some of you don't know what being a Feminist entails. It means a woman can do whatever she like, live how she sees fit and whatever comes to mind without the input of the patriarchy.

If a woman wants to be a corporate raider, feminism supports that. If she wants to be a neo-June Cleaver, feminism supports that. If she wants to be a dick hopper, guess what? Feminism supports that.

It all comes down to a woman's choice. Not only do we have clairvoyants, we've added orthopedic surgeons and accusations of drug abuse (that include a new mother that's likely nursing at that) to the list of posters lambasting a woman's CHOICE on what she wears. Some of you are exhausting.

Harry does look sloppy in that seersucker/linen blend jacket, though.

Wouldn’t you expect a devoted practitioner of yoga to have more toned leg muscles? Her calves seem almost atrophied.

Princess charlotte joining her brother for school

R477: “ If she wants to be a neo-June Cleaver, feminism supports that.”

No it doesn’t. In theory, yes. In practice, it very much doesn’t.

MeGain has absolutely no tone nor definition in her legs. They are the model of the pejorative "pins."

R478, eh. It’s really just genetic. I supposed if she worked really really hard, she could develop a little knot of muscle just below the back of her knee. It wouldn’t give her lovely shapely calves, though.

She doesn’t care. She shows off those chopsticks as if she’s actually hot nice legs. Bless her self-esteem.

This made my morning. Camilla is continually turning her back to Markle (while in close proximity), even lets out a small "help." She is totallly unimpressed with MeMe's shrugs one shoulder coy teehee. MM pretends not to notice but you can tell in that last look it's grating on the bitch's nerves.

I have become an admirer of Camilla's (and her inner rottweiler).

Not sure if the video took so trying again...

Haha, Cam really did say "help" and moved to get away from Markle. Too funny.

Is Cam drunk?! She says “help!” TWICE!

R330 - and yet Smeg is STILL more disdained by the Brits.

Those shoulder shrugs are truly too much

Cam's been through a few dozen trips around the sun more than Smeg, and knows a thing or two or a thousand about sucking it up.

If Smeg is in it for the long haul, then she needs to start sucking up to the people who pay the bill (hint: not the Americans who buy People magazine).

If she isn't in it for the long haul, then expect to get dragged even worse.

Fergie is not deliberate or malicious or focused on her own promotion and self agrandizement unlike a certain newly married in.

R484, I can’t play that video!

The Queen dials straight through to Edinburgh from Bristol in 1958 - without a pencil.

R492, an opportunity was sorely missed.

The BRF undoubtedly cannot stand Harry's wife, and I suspect that even his father, her only former ally, has seen the light after this year and the rest of the family, including the Queen, are putting the Happy Families Photo Ops out there as best they can. They'll continue to do so until the day BP announces that Harry is leaving the BRF to "pursue artistic freedom . . ." wait, that's a different speech . . .

"for the freedom to pursue opportunites to contribute to society in the ways that we believe will be more effective outside the constraints of the royal life."

He will of course formally renounce his place in the line of succession which will then be presented to Parliament which will move it along at the speed of light, and that's why Eugenie and Bea are being cautiously moved forward, especially the decently married and more attractive Eugenie. With Harry's departure, taking the seventh in line, Archie, with him, the Yorks will all be bumped up two places. Suddenly, Andrew will be sixth, Bea seventh, and so forth.

I wonder if it's already been discussed, I think of any other reason Eugenie especially is suddenly showing up.

Ha ha, Meghan is taking 6 months maternity leave. You thirsty hoes ain't going to catch a glimpse.

Princess Charlotte will be joining her brother Prince George at school this September.

Haha 6 months I don’t think so R495 . She cant stay away for 6 months . How else can she merch her ugly clothes that don’t fit her .

The Royals have to plug their noses...The Queen Charles and Camilla will welcome Trump to Buckingham Palace on June 3. Then Andrew will host Trump on a tour of Westminster Abbey. Then there will be a State Banquet.

UK needs the USA to be friendly for trade, not much they can do.

The smile does not reach the eyes.

Harry playing polo in Italy.

Harry's team won!

Giggling at R500’s photo. His eyes are VERY close together. Poor fella. He was cute for a few years. His fuzzy ginger is falling out, and he has as many wrinkles as a 50-year old.

The Sussex Royal Instagram post.

Harry looks more jubilant about winning a charity polo match than when he was announcing his son.

Oof.

Even the US media has picked up the popularity of Sussex Royal.

Some of the tabloid headlines are hilarious in their stupidity. This is a recent one from the National Enquirer.

"Dying Queen Gives Blessing. William Seizes Throne From Charles".

A young Charles and Anne with their nanny.

'Harry looks more jubilant about winning a charity polo match than when he was announcing his son.

Oof.'

And the desperate Welp Troll is back. 'Welp', 'eh', 'meh' and now 'oof'. Instantly identifiable. Thinks Meghan is shagging her friend Jessica.

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In R508, note the nanny's facial resemblance to Camilla.

Regular blokes marry their mothers. Posh blokes marry their nannies.

Hey wait, I post "meh" pretty regularly and I'm not the person you're dragging, R509. Never mind, "welp" is not in my vocabulary.

Poor old Queen, having that dumpster fire and his whole fucking family invade her palace.

No sympathy for Andy, he probably loves the orange moron. They'll become new besties.

They're actually probably old besties from partying with Epstien together.

Didn't the Queen eat lunch with Idi Amin once? If so, Trump should be a cake walk.

Trump is a narcissist. Meghan Markle is a narcissist. Trump wins, because he doesn’t have any pretenses to virtue. I am almost starting to like him for it.

It would be interesting to know which other Presidents, on official visits to the UK, brought family members other than spouses along.

I seem to remember that JFK may have brought his mother. Jackie's sister Lee and her husband Stash were both at the State Dinner having been given special permission despite both being divorced and that normally being acceptable.

So, which other Presidents brought family members?

The Queen hangs out with people far far worse than Trump on a regular basis, I doubt she'll care too much.

Not the Obamas and not the Bushes and not the Clintons and not the Reagans and not the Carters and not the Nixons and not the Johnsons and not the Eisenhowers.

JFK's father had been Ambassador to St. James for years (with the whole family in tow) and thusly some of the family had reason to go.

r518 STFU. How hard must you try to be BORING?

R507, too much GoT no doubt.

It's a walk in the park, R519.

You know, darling, invisibility takes those extra 40 lbs right off ya! Toodles.

Any bets on how many weeks (months) it takes for the Duchess of Excess to put her fat face forward?

Over/under 16; she started thin, but was really skinny-fat. She's old and will never truly recover.

20 weeks, and never thin again.

How would things be different if Margaret been the one to become Queen instead of Elizabeth?

It's hard to say, since a Margaret tutored from toddlerhood to be dutiful and respectful, rather than indulged because of being second born, would have been a totally different person. Also, her intelligence and charm would have been put to far better use preparing for the role of Queen. She might actually have been a great success at it, and Elizabeth could have been the posh country wife she reportedly always wanted to be.

Of course, Margaret would not have been allowed to marry Tony Armstrong-Jones, which would have been a relief for all involved.

Meghan has an actress's vanity, and access to the best dietitians and trainers in the world. I'm sure she'll get skinny again.

Harry and Nacho getting ready to kiss. LOL.

Hapless Harry surrounded by lemons.

She's going to get very, very skinny again. She'll have Botox and laser resurfacing and fillers and still not look young. It will drive her insane.

Poor dumb Harry, she's going to make his life hell.

It's important to remember that Harry is quite stupid. The protective carapace of his dimness might keep him from being miserable for quite some time. Perhaps forever.

They both suit each other, Harry deserves whatever he gets for marrying so damn quickly.

CDAN has a new Harkle blind

Blind Item #13

The friend of the royal who arranged the original yachting meet with the alliterate actress is someone the actress does not want associating with the royal. However, that friend has accompanied the royal on a trip out of the country and a long time former girlfriend of the royal flew into that same country. Meeting?

Marry in haste, repent at leisure.

R531 my guesses for the (possibly) BS blind item are Tom Inskip and Chelsey Davy!

I think it's a bad idea to have Andrew doing anything close to representing the Crown outside of minor ribbon cuttings.

He's a bad news bear with even less sense than is acceptable for a notoriously dim family. He's got another daughter that needs money for a wedding (fingers crossed for Bea!) and an ex-wife that he'll likely make an honest (snort) woman out of again...or whatever that means re: Sarah.

Oh you best believe Markle will be rail thin again. I do think she blew the fuck up during pregnancy, given the evidence during the Windsor photo call and the fact that for people of her inclination being ugly (fat) is the literal, sole reason to hide away. Also the literal, sole reason we haven't seen her again. She gained a LOT of weight while pregnant, you could see the gain around her back and sides even during the Morocco trip, and it will take awhile to lose it. I'm actually kind of curious to see how she handles her image now, post-birth, because I imagine being that big was a whole new experience for her.

Her self image is based almost entirely on being hot, and it's always interesting to observe when one of those people loses the hot. She'll be thin again, as I predict, but she's probably profoundly shook by the brief experience of not-hotness, and may go overboard on compensating.

R529 made me laugh.

R525, indeed. Meghan will channel an eating disorder but pretend that she likes yummy, sumptuous food, like Amal does. Order a half portion of toffee pudding after dinner. Such a hedonist!

If MM is really struggling with getting her figure back, she could always follow her SIL's path and stick her fingers down her throat.

I mean, you all realize that's the real reason Kate always has bandages on her fingers? Tell-tell sign of a bulimic is the scraped fingers from the inducement of purging.

R535, not that anyone cares, but the experience of pregnancy and birth is a stark and unavoidable lesson that we cannot control everything that happens to our bodies. It’s frustrating, especially for Type A people and those with control issues. For all her faux spiritual claptrap, I don’t think she’s equipped to “let go” and just experience things.

R537, is that what the fuss about her bandaged fingers was? Ohhhh. I feel stupid for not realizing that.

The royal wives of Windsor usually go too thin, at least for a time.

Except Fergie, of course, did she ever get too thin? I don't remember her doing that. Diana and Kate both did it, Sophie for a minute but she got over it. No doubt Miss Chopstick "pins" will go dramatically overboard. Has she gotten out of breastfeeding yet? She'll have to bail on that to starve and drug herself thin.

It does make one wonder if Meghan will be all that thrilled about a second pregnancy, given what she went through during the first. If she were married to a standard billionaire, she probably WOULD go the surrogate route for future babies. But she can't get away with it as a member of the BRF, all conspiracy theories to the contrary.

Honestly, the best thing she could do is go for the Spare immediately, then worry about getting her figure back when she's really and truly done with childbearing.

R521, Honey, I'm tiny and losing 40lbs would be death. Good luck with your fat self though.

It means you've made it as a modern royal bride the minute rumors of you using a surrogate crop up. First, Kate and now, Megan.

Only difference is we see clearly that Megan carried her first child herself due to the weight gain and the pregnancy mask and how it affected her skin.

Kate, on the other hand, had screams of surrogate from baby #1 but that's likely because she was keeping her weight down and not really letting go.

Either way, pregnancy fucks up your body and every woman heals differently.

R502 - The smile is reaching the eyes in that photo . . .

If you look at him closely, Harry has a childlike face, still. I don't mean his features, I mean his expression. He really is a child-man.

Kate's height meant she never got as rotund during her pregnancy as many women. However, she's clearly an obsessive dieter, so I can't imagine her eating 1 calorie more than her physician instructed her to when she was knocked up.

Kate could just be a rare naturally thin woman. I worked with a woman like that. She didn’t eat much, but did want to gain weight, and never could. She bounced back immediately after pregnancy, too.

My husband’s cousin also was always thin. She never ate, had to be forced to eat even as a baby and toddler. She didn’t even want to eat when pregnant. She is short and was always tiny. Now, at 55, she’s still thin but has thick thighs and hips. She still doesn’t eat, though.

Interesting little bit in the Express about the significance of the Queen allowing Kate to kiss her on both cheeks at the Chelsea Flower Show. That isn't allowable publicly unless the Queen has approved it, and the public and less formal gesture indicates the Queen's estimation of Kate.

I agree that Kate is naturally thin, but not as thin as she is these days. She used to be a much healthier (but still slender) weight when younger. The longer she dated Wills, the skinnier she got.

Well hell, why wouldn't the Queen approve of Kate? She's created a stable home life for William and given him 3 gorgeous children. She also looks great in a tiara and doesn't famewhore. That's pretty much all you can ask of a Windsor Wife.

Which one of these people is NOT like the others?

^^ that normally not being acceptable at a State Dinner.

Our trusty and well-beloved Kate.

Take that, Markle.

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As a long term (ex) bullimic, I really don't see how you could bite/scratch your fingers. I never even needed to touch my mouth after a short time, just heave...not that I reccommend it

Bite marks from bulimia are on the knuckles, from trying to force the fingers far down the throat to induce vomiting. Kate probably has plantar warts that she's covering up.

The linked story at R552 - the knives really have come out.

All of this was known but I’ve never seen it out together so effectively.

Some of the quotes are brutal!

Really? Thanks for the review, R555. I was going to skip it, thinking it a simple re-hash of the regular Markle the Hustler tales but now I think I'll have a look.

Nasty quotes are mother's milk to the Datalounge. Nasty quotes about social climbing, obviously wannabe Royals are some of the best kind.

Interesting,as Alison Boshoff usually writes about strictly come dancing and other showbizzy/tv fluff

MM is described as sophisticated in that link. LOL.

The Sun has a nice story about the Harkles as well.

She'll lose the weight quick. Coke, maybe some Adderall. It'll fly off.

Wow, that article at R552.

Harry really fell for it, didn't he?

From an ambition of Made in Chelsea.

Meghan and Jessica always look so comical pictured together, like two schemers on the prowl.

R559 Must say she looks very pretty in that photo. Blue is her color.

And the quotes are attributed rather than just the usual “it has been said” or “sources close to” etc.

R563 Or two trannies looking to score. It’s all the makeup.

Wow, the UK press barely waited for Archie to clear the birth canal before going all in on Harry and Megs.

From the article at R552, [quote] She had also got to know TV presenter Natalie Pinkham and Bidders — Adam Bidwell — who was a friend of Harry's from that trip to Vegas.

Is Adam Bidwell the friend who went to Africa with Harry?

^sorry, forgot to space for the quote.

Anyone else notice insta accounts for Kensington Palace, royal family, princess eugine all posted about Queen Victoria. Harkles post 6 pictures of Harry playing Polo last picture is of the charity they are so predictable

Harry was in Lesotho with Adam Bidwell in June of 2018. I don't believe most of the blind items, but just for fun, this might be the trip in the blind at R531.

I wish william would just shave all his hair off and stick with the total bald look. Or do blond hair transplants so his hair looks like it did when he was at university.

LOL that DM article is brutal in honesty, and good to see that some of her friends and contacts that she dropped, they're now coming out and publicly wiling to say things that are attributed to them. This will render Meg's fans unable to say it's all due to British press making shit up about their Queen. How embarrassing to Meghan to be now portrayed realistically as a failed Hollywood wannabe starlet, aging out of starlet status and fading quickly into obscurity. Fading to the point that being on a British reality show and ingratiating herself with talent show winner and British footballers was actually a path to fame and fortune. Really, you can't make this shit up, it has to be true given her situation at the time and desperation she must have felt seeing writing on the wall, her future had she not met Harry was rather bleak for someone who had dreamt of hobnobbing with famous/ wealthy. The other truths, mainly her ghosting of people who no longer served her goals, are spot on as well and I believe more would come out.

All this plays into making Harry really look like a complete idiot for falling for the oldest trick

Reminds me of Jamie O'Hara after Danielle LLoyd had been through a few teams of footballers

Isn't that charity the one where harry played up the emotion to some kid going 'i'll take care of your expenses' and then promptly forgot the kid even existed until he got shamed into.

Rich people and their stupid fucking scams

Meghan and Harry threw all-night parties? Who was attending these parties? ‘Family and friends coming and going’

Who? Bea and Eug? Certainly wasn’t Will and Kate and the Queen... what friends? Harry’s friends don’t like her.

R552 - That DM article is one of the most openly nastiest I've seen to date.

I think it was very naive of Meghan to piss off the press early on, she must have known what sort of stuff they could dig up on her and how they could present it in the worst light.

She's been so low on the celeb totem pole she probably never thought all that much about the negatives, plus thinking that being royal might provide her a shield of sorts.

Can't wait to see the PR response to that article. I feel sorry for Harry. He really looks like a fool for being scammed. I'd have thought he'd have had more experience.

Camilla has always been ghastly, and even with fabulous tiara perched on her head, she remains ghastly.

She does seem pretty horrible and entitled R582. I think it's entirely possible for Meghan to be (as this thread believes) all naked ambition and narcissism, and the people in the royal family who dislike her to be ghastly too. I've never imagine any of them were nice or interesting people, apart from, possibly, the queen herself.

R579 - I think what Meghan was naive about was how much power (and money) Harry really had - she probably didn't grasp that HRH or Windsor attached to his name(s) notwithstanding, he wasn't Henry VIII, that even the Queen wasn't Henry VIII. But I agree it was her first and biggest and possibly, eventually, fatal mistake, because she has, as they say, too much backstory not to realise her own vulnerabillity.

The attributions of the article definitely up the game here - I wonder if this is some of the stuff that the UK press has been keeping in that lower left-hand drawer I've mentioned a couple of times, waiting for Jack Sparrow's "opportune moment".

I wonder if it's just a taste of what else they have. I also wonder, as I wondered in a post above, if they've heard whispers about Harry and Meghan and the BRF having long-term plans to part ways and figure they may as well help matters along.

Can't wait to see the reaction on Celebitchy tomorrow.

The Mail published a similar expose about Kate's days as a yacht girl in 2011:

'The corporate clients loved her, especially the way she always seemed to be showing off her slender legs in tight blue shorts as she served gin and tonics and lunch.

She was working as a deckhand on 72ft sailing boats in the Solent, looking after important clients for mighty companies such as Barclays, BT, Nokia, Toshiba and Volkswagen.'

I'll post the article in the next post.

^^ just to add to post R583, Anne may be okay. But generally I think the sense of entitlement, having no experience of the real world, and not being particularly bright, would make almost all of the family awful people.

R582 - If you're speaking of her looks, well, she was never a great beauty. But then again, Charles already had a beauty who was born to wear tiaras well - and we know how that went, don't we? Camilla was probably a great fuck, bawdy, funny, warm, and generous in the sack. I doubt Diana, for all her beauty, was any of those things in the sack.

Camilla looks like the kind of woman who knows what men like.

I was not referring to Camilla's looks. I was referring to her soul.

I think Zara and the York girls might be pleasant. Charles might be interesting. Diana would have been charming.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R588 - Dear me.

Charles is not interesting. He is an idiot.

OH SHIT. That DM article is straight fire. Seriously, I think my eyebrows are singed from reading it.

How fucking dim is Markle? Not saying Harry's not a dumbo, but how absolutely clueless do you have to be to KNOW you did all that shit, to KNOW you set out with your climbing cleats firmly fastened and then to piss of the UK tabloid press?? It's legit insane to me that she apparently took no steps at all to mollify any of the ghosted B-Z listers she left in her wake. She chummed the waters so hard it's difficult to believe she can be shocked by the Fleet Street great whites circling, but somehow I think she is.

Her moves since marrying Harry are almost a textbook example of how not to do it. My mind is actually blown.

If Bea and Edo get married, their kids will be cute. Most half-Italians like Greta Scacchi and Isabella Rossellini are attractive.

I had one British and one Northern Italian parent and I'm adorable!

I almost have to be impressed with the Daily Mail's chutzpah (the way I used to be impressed with Markle's climbing skills, before I realized 80% of her success was a combo of dumb luck and Harry being a fucking dimwit). Lubes like this:

"'Matt couldn't believe a star like Meghan would even know who he was, so he was very flattered and they chatted a little bit online before she suggested meeting up,' a source said."

SHAMELESS. Utterly, deliciously shameless. "A star like Meghan..." Oh, God, the shade.

You Americans are hilarious. They posted an identical articles about Kate exposing her yachting past. Made in Chelsea is a classy reality show. Much better than working on yachts, like Kate.

"Lubes"?? "Quotes" - weirdest Freudian slip ever, I guess. Soz.

Alas, R594, Bea is no Ingrid Bergman.

It is highly unlikely that Bea will have good looking children given her unfortunate genetic contribution to these children.

R599 - Perhaps that's why she's determined to breed with the Edo. Somewhat like Cristina Onassis breeding with that good-looking play boy whom she knew would never be faithful to her, and who kept the beautiful Swedish model on the side. At least their daughter, Athina. was much better looking than her ill-starred mother. Ari Onassis must have been a brutal father to a fat ugly daughter.

R445 Damn it! Oh, well. You tried. The pay seemed really low for the work load and stress. Can you write the Queen and ask whether you can get a job taking care of her swans?

So do we now have an exact timeline on Hazbean's first meeting?

"In June 2016, she came to London as part of a month-long trip to Europe with friends. Lizzie Cundy saw her again. She said: 'By now she had become friends with the Made In Chelsea set and she was hoping to get a role on the show. She was close to show stars Millie Mackintosh and Jessica Woodley...

'She had also got to know TV presenter Natalie Pinkham and Bidders — Adam Bidwell — who was a friend of Harry's from that trip to Vegas...

'She still wasn't much more successful in Hollywood terms and was setting her sights on coming here to live if she could. She wanted it bad, and she did still want an English boyfriend.' Meghan met with Piers Morgan and spent 90 minutes drinking at his local, the Scarsdale Tavern in Kensington. She asked his advice on the media and requested a favour — that she be interviewed on his breakfast show, Good Morning Britain, on her next visit to help raise her profile...

Then she went to have dinner with friends at 5 Hertford Street in Mayfair. She met Prince Harry at the dinner that night, and Piers never heard from her again."

If Piers Morgan ever gave away the date of that pub meeting (and he probably has, I'm just too lazy to check his Twitter), we can almost narrow down Hazbean's first meeting to an exact day.

And then there's this quote:

"By October 2016, after she had been with Prince Harry for three months, she sent Gina an email to say that she was giving up her career and terminating their contract.

Gina later asked Meghan if it was possible to use a photo of her from the youth summit, and was hurt to receive a reply from Meghan's legal team. As Gina said: 'Meghan likes to move on.'"

So met in mid June 2016 and she's giving up her career and terminating her relationship with her agent ~4 months later. They must have been engaged by then. MM is an idiot (a very, very lucky and ambitious idiot), but she's not the type of idiot to ditch her career before she knows for SURE she's hooked her fish.

Wow. She was even more ruthless and focused than I'd assumed. Befriending people like Natalie Pinkham and other people known to be friends with Haz?

I genuinely wonder what he makes of all this. I bet she's just looking wounded and victimized and he's enraged at the press for intruding and "telling lies." Someone already mentioned it in this thread but his dimness might end up being a kind of armor in this situation. He's so dumb and so besotted that he probably won't even consider that this story in the DM is well sourced (named sources!) and very likely all true.

He looks so bad in this, though. And he was in his 30s when he met her, no virgin ingenue himself. I'm slightly embarrassed for him. He really got taken. God, the drama.

R572 william and Harry should just wear toupees. They make natural-looking ones now. Both guys woud look so much better and younger. They should not do whatever process David Beckham used. Becks dark "hair" looks awful. He looks like Wooly Willy.

David Beckham's new look.

Corrected Beckham link...

The receipts trickling out really ups the skank ante for Markle.

Is the man Fergie's clinging to in R334's picture a giant? She looks like a little girl next to him. A drunk little girl.