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General Hospital circa 1980

Did anyone watch General Hospital during it's heyday with the Luke & Laura rape story line. I remember coming home from school and my mom had GH on in the kitchen. I heard all this drama ensuing with Herb Alpert's "Rise" playing in the background so I had to turn it on in the other room to see what was happening. As it turned out, it was the famous rape scene at the campus disco. Then I got hooked (for a few years anyhow.). I loved all the characters and actors that were on during that time.

Looking back it's odd how women were so engaged over this, and how this "romance" landed Luke & Laura on the cover of every magazine. This would never go over well today.

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by Anonymousreply 169June 25, 2019 2:31 AM

And this is the show that made Richard Simmons famous.

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by Anonymousreply 1May 22, 2019 8:21 PM

I watched it on and off back then as a little gayling. I wouldn't rush home to watch, because a lot of times I'd be out playing, but between 80-83, I was hooked enough. But I also liked Guiding Light, which was opposite GH, so it was hard to choose. By 83, I was full on hooked on CBS soaps and watched Young & Restless, As the World Turns and GL, though I dumped Y&R after a few months. I watched As the World Turns on and off until 1989. And then I just got too busy to want to deal with keeping up a 5-day a week show.

by Anonymousreply 2May 22, 2019 8:21 PM

I would be picking my kid up at elementary school At 2:45. GH was on at 3:00. Mother's would be flying - running with babies in strollers, driving crazy out of the parking lot - nuts. All to be home by 3:00. We didn't have video recorders yet. Soon - but not yet.

by Anonymousreply 3May 22, 2019 8:27 PM

Does anyone remember this General Hospital rap song? It was a somewhat hit here in CA in 1981.

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by Anonymousreply 4May 22, 2019 8:28 PM

I got off school at 3:00 and rushed home in time to grab a snack and watch GH. Thankfully I lived only a block away so I got to see most of the show.

by Anonymousreply 5May 22, 2019 8:31 PM

It is really weird, OP. But at the time this was seen as some sort of maturity in storytelling, I think. Some of the other soaps had done stories about husbands raping their wives, the idea that the line between love and hate is a thin one.

I don't think GH erred in their initial approach on Luke and Laura because it was similar to that. The issue became when they started to call it a "seduction" and then made them a major couple. That was really gross.

I may be old fashioned, but I miss the old times when soap villains were eventually caught and punished and good prevailed. We now have soaps where the assholes are the heroes, soaps where a serial killer is now being fronted as the young romantic lead. Then again, everything is upside down in the world, so.....

by Anonymousreply 6May 22, 2019 8:32 PM

There was no cable or HBO back then, no 100s of channels to watch whatever you wanted on demand. Just the three main networks and PBS. Daytime tv was at its peak then, women were still stay-at-home moms who watched soaps. The soaps were also much better funded, written, and directed. Many top actors got their start in daytime, there's along list. Hence the big rush for everyone to get home to watch GH. Everyone in school rushed home, it was the main soap on late enough for the kids in school to get home to watch hence its popularity with the teen set.

by Anonymousreply 7May 22, 2019 8:32 PM

[quote] Does anyone remember this General Hospital rap song? It was a somewhat hit here in CA in 1981.

It was a hit everywhere, actually. I think it went to something like #29 on the Hot 100.

by Anonymousreply 8May 22, 2019 8:35 PM

The originally wrote it as a rape r6 but when the huge popularity of Tony Geary and his character caught on and the storyline of Luke and Laura 'on the run' caught fire, they changed the tone quickly. I mean viewers knew what they originally saw. The writers did a lot of work to re-direct attention and the story elsewhere, and because we didn't live in such PC times most viewers swallowed it.

Luke was initially supposed to die that night of the rape, he was going to be killed by the mob for his role in that other hit gone bad, on Tracy Quartermaine's crooked politico husband Mitch. That was supposed to be the 'impetus' to the rape of Laura, Luke was kind of disassociating and going nuts due to his impending fate so he lost it and attacked Laura at his club. But again due to Geary's popularity they changed the story last minute.

by Anonymousreply 9May 22, 2019 8:35 PM

I first saw Demi Moore when she was on the show. I remember hating her and her voice so much. It's funny to me that she because a huge star.

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by Anonymousreply 10May 22, 2019 8:38 PM

*became

by Anonymousreply 11May 22, 2019 8:38 PM

The Luke & Laura era was when I got hooked on GH one summer. I cajoled my father into buying one of those new-fangled VCR thingies (just getting popular, at around $1000/each). Yes, I was spoiled rotten. I would rush home after school to watch the tape, erase it then set it for the next day. Mary, extraordinary!

by Anonymousreply 12May 22, 2019 8:44 PM

R1 Richard Simmons was probably the first celebrity who was obviously gay to me. I remember thinking it was odd how all the characters on the show were so nice to him at a time when people seemed to hate gays so much. At least it seemed that way to me in jr high school in 1980.

by Anonymousreply 13May 22, 2019 8:47 PM

R12 It's a shame you erased it all.

by Anonymousreply 14May 22, 2019 8:54 PM

How she could pick him over Kin Shriner is beyond belief.

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by Anonymousreply 15May 22, 2019 9:05 PM

Kin wishes he even looked close to that now

by Anonymousreply 16May 22, 2019 9:11 PM

That era of GH was like nothing before or since. The stars were almost as huge as film and prime time stars. They graced the covers of People, Newsweek and TV Guide. The fandom was off the charts. Liz Taylor’s famous cameo. The massive ratings. It was the alchemy of great casting, chemistry between actors and Gloria Monty behind the scenes being bold and reinventing an entire genre along the way- for better or worse. Rising tides lift all boats, and GH helped all the other soaps, most notably its ABC siblings giving OLTL a killer lead in. They upped everyone’s game, and made the network a shit ton of dough. This will never happen again.

by Anonymousreply 17May 22, 2019 9:12 PM

I was more interested in Celia and Grant from maybe 1983 or 84 than I ever was in Luke or Laura.

by Anonymousreply 18May 22, 2019 9:20 PM

I remember these two were brought on when Laura went “missing “.

And Christopher Cross had a hit song about the same time about Laura.

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by Anonymousreply 19May 22, 2019 9:20 PM

Kin was sex on two legs back then. Since both Tony & Kin are gay, wonder if they ever got it on with Herb Alpert in the background?

by Anonymousreply 20May 22, 2019 9:27 PM

Think of Laura

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by Anonymousreply 21May 22, 2019 9:28 PM

It was controversial and there were some complaints and stories at the time. But somehow to fans who loved the couple it was ok. Trust me, it did not go unnoticed at the time. But fans made excuses why it was different and not rape, rape. I never watched the show but apparently he showed great remorse and changed his ways from what I remember.

by Anonymousreply 22May 22, 2019 9:36 PM

Time is a bitch, but the stress of being in the closet didn't help, I'm sure.

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by Anonymousreply 23May 22, 2019 9:38 PM

Kin has held up better than me and I’m younger by about ten years

by Anonymousreply 24May 22, 2019 9:50 PM

They had Luke save Laura's life over and over again - so ya know.

by Anonymousreply 25May 22, 2019 10:14 PM

Kin was beautiful.

And he looks OK even now....well, except for that hair.

by Anonymousreply 26May 22, 2019 10:21 PM

I watched it but I was hooked on Heather. The Diana Taylor mystery was the best. Whatever happened to Robin Mattson?

by Anonymousreply 27May 22, 2019 10:21 PM

R4 I remember that (and owned a copy) the artist on that song was a Boston Radio Personality "Lisa Lipps". GH was so popular back then (and DVRs still so rare) that she would have an afternoon soap update about what happened on GH for those who missed it. Lisa Lipps, real name Lisa Tedesco, died a few years ago.

by Anonymousreply 28May 22, 2019 10:27 PM

This gayling in 1978 was in love with Doug Sheehan as Joe Kelly!

I was confused at why Heather and everyone called that brat "Stephen Lars" all the time. Why two names for him? I didn't find RDA attractive back then but a few years later when he was MacGyver, I definitely did.

The Summer of 1980 was fantastic! Tristan Rogers made me swoon as well.

I always rooted for Lesley over Monica, that adulterous, man-stealing bitch. And then I rooted for Susan over Monica.

Although I was caught up in the Luke & Laura storyline, Scotty took my breath away and I couldn't understand how Laura preferred Luke over gorgeous Scotty.

I never liked Emma Samms, either.

In August 1982, I happened to catch a 'Guiding Light' scene with shirtless Josh and Kelly fighting in the sand and I never looked back at old 'GH.'

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by Anonymousreply 29May 22, 2019 10:40 PM

Laura "died"/disappeared in January 1982.

When she returned in December 1983 was when the "Think Of Laura" song was used.

by Anonymousreply 30May 22, 2019 10:51 PM

I was sad to hear that Shell Kepler (Amy Vining) had passed away back in 2008. She made her own clothes out of vintage lace and wrote a book which I was quite entertained by.

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by Anonymousreply 31May 22, 2019 11:06 PM

Laura later said it was a seduction. I'll have to look to see if that clip is anywhere.

I remember watching that too, and it was a rape.

The show was good back then. I used to try to schedule my college classes around it to be able to watch it.

by Anonymousreply 32May 22, 2019 11:12 PM

My baby sitter got me hooked. I remember when Laura first came on a few years before she got together with Scotty. The Diana Taylor murder was fantastic and kept me watching.

I remember watching the rape scene and not thinking it was rape rape. Laura knew Luke was in love with her and they had obvious chemistry. I thought she was hesitating and later crying because she felt guilty for giving in and cheating on Scotty.

I watched the scene again when GH had its 50th Anniversary and adult me came to the conclusion that it was rape rape.

by Anonymousreply 33May 22, 2019 11:14 PM

My boyfriend and I recreate the rape scene at least three or four times a year. We decorate our living room like the campus disco, I put Rise on the stereo and then my boyfriend friend rapes me. A long time ago I saw a recreation of this done as a performance art piece at the Pyramid Club in New York. It was so good. The crowd was yelling at “Luke” to rape her and rape her good!!

by Anonymousreply 34May 22, 2019 11:14 PM

I never cared for Kin Shriner, but remember liking Rick Springfield and the actor who played Roy DeLuca, Asher Brauner.

by Anonymousreply 35May 22, 2019 11:22 PM

[quote] ...well, except for that hair.

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by Anonymousreply 36May 22, 2019 11:31 PM

Luke and Laura's storyline came about because of a few factors.

Originally the storyline was supposed to be that Luke rapes Laura and then he goes to do the hit on Mitch Williams and gets shot. Then Luke was supposed to die in Laura's arms and the next storyline was to involve Laura and Scotty's marriage and what the impact of the rape did to it. That was the original plan.

Tony Geary was only supposed to be on the show for 13 weeks to play out that storyline. But the head of the network at the time - I think it was Silverman- wanted the actor who played Roy [Asher Braun] on a nighttime show. So they switched roles. Instead of Luke dying in Laura's arms, Roy died in Bobbie's arms.

By that time, the chemistry between Tony and Genie Francis was something the show wanted to capitalize on so they rewrote the story to have the audience root for Luke. Luke decides that he needs to die in order to pay for the rape but Laura saves him by throwing his keys off the cliff so he can't do the hit on Mitch. The rest of the storyline was the same - Luke basically swears to protect Laura from Frank Smith and every time he puts his life in danger to save her, it's the writers' way of turning him into an anti-hero.

You really can't blame the show for wanting to showcase Luke and Laura since there weren't very many couples in daytime that had the same chemistry that Geary and Francis had. Although it must have felt a little creepy for the actors since she was about 17 years old and he was around 33.

by Anonymousreply 37May 22, 2019 11:33 PM

How do you guys know that Kinny Shriner is a gay? I didn’t think he was.

by Anonymousreply 38May 22, 2019 11:41 PM

I was too young to realize or care that the show was a sensation, I just knew that my mom enjoyed it. I watched plenty of the L&L era episodes with her after elementary school. We both preferred All My Children, though.

“Dr. Noah Drake” and that incredibly groovy rock song he had on the radio blew my little gay brain. Yes, please.

Is Kin Shriner really gay??? What happened to his brother?

by Anonymousreply 39May 22, 2019 11:45 PM

The only people who care about this ancient dreck are 400 lbs delusional losers who live in the circa1980 cars.

by Anonymousreply 40May 22, 2019 11:46 PM

R32- I remember that scene. It was after the whole Left Handed Boy storyline and it took place at the Floating Rib during the Ice Princess storyline. But it was silly inserting that scene because Luke and Laura had already spent months and months talking about "the rape" and whether or not Laura should press charges against him - he was all for it.

So to turn it into a "seduction" with one conversation, was pointless since the audience had already seen the whole thing play out.

by Anonymousreply 41May 22, 2019 11:47 PM

I remember, to this day, how pissed I was that my father had scheduled us to go deep sea fishing on the very day after Heather Weber drank the LSD. I have never forgiven him. That being said, Ibwas always all about Grant Putnam and thought Celia was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 42May 22, 2019 11:49 PM

I never bought Alan Quatermaine as straight.

Wasn't this about the time Rick Springfield was on the show?

by Anonymousreply 43May 22, 2019 11:51 PM

R17 You have them mixed up OLTL was GH's lead in, but yes GH tended to help all the soaps. GH was Edge of Night's lead in.

by Anonymousreply 44May 22, 2019 11:53 PM

Stuart Damon (Alan Q) was sure pretty when he was younger.

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by Anonymousreply 45May 22, 2019 11:56 PM

Does anyone remember Sally, the transvestite? I was completely shocked when she revealed herself speaking in a man's voice.

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by Anonymousreply 46May 23, 2019 12:01 AM

Interesting and hilarious story about Chris Robinson (Rick Webber) and his Bursting Beanie Baby Bubble!

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by Anonymousreply 47May 23, 2019 12:03 AM

The whole heather Webber LSD story is on YouTube. It has Mary O’Brien as Heather and goes all the way till she goes in the sanitarium. It’s so good to watch.

by Anonymousreply 48May 23, 2019 12:11 AM

Dont spoil it for me, R48! Ill watch after work!

by Anonymousreply 49May 23, 2019 12:19 AM

This how popular they still were 20 years later- when David Letterman came back from his heart surgery, they did a clip about the media's reaction and Luke and Laura are in it. The audience still knew who they were.

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by Anonymousreply 50May 23, 2019 12:19 AM

R50 That is why I can't believe that ABC wasn't prepared for the backlash when they fired GF last year, and then had to hire her back. When it comes to GH, people still think of Luke and Laura, and it will be like that forever.

by Anonymousreply 51May 23, 2019 12:22 AM

Robinsons older son could mak e a fortune in porn, R47!

by Anonymousreply 52May 23, 2019 12:34 AM

R46-That was a great twist! Then Luke had to make a deal with "Sally" because Hutch had kidnapped Laura. So Luke persuaded Sally to shoot Hutch and then Luke would show Sally where all the gold was.

But the whole thing turned, because Hutch shot Sally and Sally ended up shooting Luke. You don't see scenes like that on soaps anymore.

by Anonymousreply 53May 23, 2019 12:39 AM

[quote] In August 1982, I happened to catch a 'Guiding Light' scene with shirtless Josh and Kelly fighting in the sand and I never looked back at old 'GH.'

They did WHAT now? I don't remember that!

by Anonymousreply 54May 23, 2019 12:40 AM

I wonder why Gloria Monty had such great success with GH in the late 70s but flopped in the 90s?

She really pulled off a miracle in 1977/78 because GH was already slated for cancellation and she turned the whole thing around and took the show to #1. Great casting, great storytelling - Luke/Laura/Scotty, Heather/Jeff and LSD, the Diana Taylor murder mystery, Alan going crazy trying to kill Monica/Rick, Bobbie, Joe Kelly, Scorpio, the Cassadines. All of it was great stuff.

But then she tried to bring back Tony Geary as Bill Eckert and the whole thing tanked.

by Anonymousreply 55May 23, 2019 12:47 AM

R43- I think Rick Springfield was around 1980 or 1981. They paired Noah up with Bobbie but Rick and Jackie Zeman really had no chemistry at all.

Ironically her best chemistry was with Tony Geary. But GH wasn't ready for an incest storyline.

by Anonymousreply 56May 23, 2019 12:50 AM

R55 Sometimes lighting just doesn't strike twice. I, also, think she was freer in her first go around, because she had nothing to lose. The show was going to be canceled. When she came back it wasn't to save the show, but to maintain it.

by Anonymousreply 57May 23, 2019 12:51 AM

I had never seen a Lazy Susan in real life so a lot of the mechanics of the LSD mixup were lost on me.

I rooted for Heather, though!

by Anonymousreply 58May 23, 2019 1:38 AM

There was a GH scene sometime later that was repeated over and over in flashbacks, giving us high schoolers much joy: Monica and Allan Quartermaine having a fight and (pregnant?) Monica "falling down" a staircase that was HILARIOUS. A terrible stunt double in a fright wig rolling awkwardly down the stairs as lumpy stunt padding stuffed under pantyhose flashed by.

Also: Allan Quartermaine was Prince Charming in the TV Special "Cinderella" with Lesley Ann Warren.

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by Anonymousreply 59May 23, 2019 1:40 AM

R17 true. Days of Our Lives ripped up that era of GH big time

By the late 80s, DAYS was doing GH better than GH was doing GH!

by Anonymousreply 60May 23, 2019 1:54 AM

That "Think of Laura" song was not written nor about the fictional character on this shit soap.

Also, my mom said Guiding Light was much better, though she temp watched General Hoespital during this time, only to turn back to GL because it was far superior.

by Anonymousreply 61May 23, 2019 2:00 AM

I have to say- GL does seem like it was a better show from 1983-1985 (from what I can see on Youtube)- And it kicked ass in the ratings considering it was up against GH

by Anonymousreply 62May 23, 2019 2:13 AM

GL was true soap opera. GH became a parody.

by Anonymousreply 63May 23, 2019 2:17 AM

R63 80s and 90s Days of Our Lives says hi!

by Anonymousreply 64May 23, 2019 2:20 AM

GH - Meh. I was more into AMC's Gregg and Jenny, and Jessie and Angie . . . and Opal and Jennie . . . and Cliff and Nina . . . and Tad and Mary Walker/Amanda Bearse . . .

by Anonymousreply 65May 23, 2019 2:21 AM

It wasn't a rape, it was a seduction

by Anonymousreply 66May 23, 2019 2:22 AM

Genie was stunning then.

by Anonymousreply 67May 23, 2019 2:25 AM
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by Anonymousreply 68May 23, 2019 2:26 AM

[quote] Meh. I was more into AMC's Gregg and Jenny, and Jessie and Angie

Go 38 minutes in to see Angie TELL OFF Liza, after Liza accuses Jesse of Rape

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by Anonymousreply 69May 23, 2019 2:26 AM

I always wondered if anyone back then was bothered by their age difference. Genie Francis was one of those girls who went through a small period of time where she just seemed lit from within. That weird glow that never lasts past your early 20's.

by Anonymousreply 70May 23, 2019 2:30 AM

R70 yup. By the time Genie made her big soap come back on Days of Our Lives in 1987 that glow was gone

She looked 40 suddenly

by Anonymousreply 71May 23, 2019 2:33 AM

My mom said nothing was more engrossing than GL's Beth being raped by her stepdad (the wonderful character actor James Rebhorn who was in just about every big movie ever). The youtube clips are just......wow.

by Anonymousreply 72May 23, 2019 2:40 AM

i still maintain that there is a market for the older episodes of these shows. I would totally subscribe to a monthly streaming channel that showed them.

by Anonymousreply 73May 23, 2019 2:42 AM

r73 I want to watch GL in good quality. I would really like this. My mom raves about the show. She was late teens/early 20's when GL, against the odds, held its own against GH and even beat it in the ratings for a brief time thanks to the ramifications of Beth's rape.

by Anonymousreply 74May 23, 2019 2:45 AM

Gloria Monty struck out when she returned in 1991 because she tried to shove the Eckerts down the audience throats while marginalizing fan favorites like Frisco, Felicia, Lucy and the Quartermaines. Geary also lacked chemistry with the actresses they tried to pair him with.

by Anonymousreply 75May 23, 2019 2:45 AM

R73 Yes, look at the thread someone started on here about The Doctors, that now airs reruns on RTV, one of those retro over the air channels. There were people on that thread who were already fans of the show and others who were discovering the show.

by Anonymousreply 76May 23, 2019 2:47 AM

I loved Jane Elliot as Tracy Quartermaine and the episode where they totally ripped off “The Little Foxes”.

by Anonymousreply 77May 23, 2019 2:47 AM

K remember the Luke and Laura get back together...they were wandering around walls or paths or whatever and then they saw each other and ran into each other’s arms. Co-Ed dorm, girls watching, I had no idea who these TV perm people were...but the girls were WEEPING.

by Anonymousreply 78May 23, 2019 2:48 AM

r76 It would take binge watching to a whole new level. I would like to catch early to mid 80's GL.

by Anonymousreply 79May 23, 2019 2:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRqhlddG0DE&list=PL12B83A9D7F48DF26

Someone on YouTube has uploaded every single Luke and Laura scene throughout the years. Terrible quality, but interesting. The music cues sound so funny to modern ears.

by Anonymousreply 80May 23, 2019 2:50 AM

GH was phenomenon then. The writing was fun and witty. Luke and Laura were married on my 17th birthday. By the time I was in college I was addicted to Days and the Bo, Hope , Patch,Kayla storylines. Days fired Patch last year. It's been awful for years.

by Anonymousreply 81May 23, 2019 2:52 AM

Patch is back on DAYS -- his episodes will start in August, I think. No matter, the writing is horrendous.

by Anonymousreply 82May 23, 2019 2:54 AM

It was rape...it was rape you have my word on that.

by Anonymousreply 83May 23, 2019 2:56 AM

GL held its own in 1981 too. The Nola/Kelly confrontation tore shit UP.

by Anonymousreply 84May 23, 2019 3:06 AM

I would like to catch late 80's and early 90's GL as well when Beth returned from the dead, James Rebhorn came back as her stepdad, some big names were on the show at the time.

r84, isn't that why GL held its own against a soap that captured lightening in a bottle? It is amazing GL held its own but it did and not by a little. It must've been really great to compete.

by Anonymousreply 85May 23, 2019 3:07 AM

R85 it did really hold its own and compete on several occasions. It was #1 for a while!

The show was really strong until around late 85 and then it just fell spectacularly apart for a while, trying to be like DAYS and GH (which sank it every time the show tried it). Only when Pam Long came back in late 87 did it start to get better.

by Anonymousreply 86May 23, 2019 3:10 AM

Phoebe! Phoebe!

The Professor from AMC

by Anonymousreply 87May 23, 2019 3:13 AM

DAYS took EVERYTHING from Monty era GH in the 80s

The over the top Sci Fi storylines, the super couple's saving the world, the Irish family, the British spies , the ethnic and evil crime family, etc

EVERYTHING

by Anonymousreply 88May 23, 2019 3:15 AM

I will say this- every person I ever knew who loved Days was kinda dumb and unsophisticated. The type that loves McDonalds, Friends, Diet Coke, Nicholas Sparks novels... you know the type.

by Anonymousreply 89May 23, 2019 3:17 AM

r86 I don't know who those people are but is that when Michele Forbes was on the show with a bonkers (in a good way) story about twins? I like MF and my mom would tell me about that storyline and I caught a lot of it on youtube. It looked fucking amazing and edgy for soaps. MF was mesmerizing on screen (MARY!). So, how did early 80's GL compete with GH to hold its own in the ratings?

by Anonymousreply 90May 23, 2019 3:20 AM

R89 maybe but late 60s- mid 70s era Bill Bell DAYS was supposedly great psychological soap opera, with critical acclaim and great acting, it's an LA soap but many actors came from the NYC theatre scene

No gimmicks and realistic, raw storylines

Bill Bell did the first interracial romance with Valerie Grant and David Banning

The show became a camp travesty of bad taste in the 80s onward, even Bill Bell bashed the later years of DAYS before his passing

by Anonymousreply 91May 23, 2019 3:22 AM

Poor Emily McLaughlin. She was the female lead through much of the 70s and was quickly relegated to glorified extra by Monty.

by Anonymousreply 92May 23, 2019 3:35 AM

General Hospital had some killer moments during this time.

Anyone remember Alan trying to kill Rick and Monica by staging the roof of the mansion to cave in on them during a big party?

Or Diana Taylor’s dead body on her kitchen floor with “Annie” written in blood?

Luke and Laura going on the run on the day of Luke’s wedding to Jennifer? Laura thinking Luke had drown but his hand grabbing her ankle on the boat?

by Anonymousreply 93May 23, 2019 4:06 AM

R93- I remember all of that. Really superior storytelling for a soap. The day that Luke was supposed to marry Jennifer- which he was doing to save Laura's life because of Frank Smith - was a location shoot and it was interwoven with the scenes of Scotty finding the letter that Laura had written to Luke. Scotty then heads for the yacht to kill Luke and in the fight, Luke ends up overboard. He gets Laura to help him and off they go on the run for the summer.

I remember Alan following Rick and Monica around with a gun and then he rigged the nursery roof to cave in on them, but I think he saves them when it collapses.

That's why it's hard to criticize Luke and Laura being together - Alan tried to kill his wife several times, but no one ever says that they didn't belong together as a couple.

by Anonymousreply 94May 23, 2019 4:52 AM

I remember rushing back from junior high school dashing thru the living room where my 400 lbs diabetic grandmother sat watching "her story" General Hospital while munching Cheetos and guzzling diet pop . As I fled into my room to jack off to Jeff Stryker I remember thinking "they'll find her dead there one day" Two months later I came home to find an ambulance out front. She died in the Barcalounger clutching her remote. GH was on the TV. At her funeral I hummed Jesse's Girl. I never saw a soap opera again.

by Anonymousreply 95May 23, 2019 4:55 AM

oh deer!

by Anonymousreply 96May 23, 2019 4:55 AM

R78- I think that was the Mayor's lawn reunion. Tony Geary was set to leave the show in 1983 and he wanted his character to be killed off. I guess he figured he was going to have a big film career so he wasn't coming back.

Gloria Monty told him she wouldn't do that to the fans so she got Genie to come back. They wrote the story where Laura had been kidnapped and held hostage for the two years she'd been gone. She didn't want to tell Luke she was back because the Cassadines threatened to kill him if she did.

So Laura is wandering around the Mayor's mansion remembering her wedding day to Luke...and Luke is up on the balcony doing the same thing. Then suddenly Luke sees Laura on the lawn and he screams out "LAAAAURRRRAAAA!" and they run into each other's arms.

One of the best soaps reunions.

by Anonymousreply 97May 23, 2019 4:56 AM

As a young gayling, that reunion gave me chills. Laura’s reunion with Leslie in the next episode made me cry.

by Anonymousreply 98May 23, 2019 5:09 AM

I love this picture.

I may not be a doctor, but I play one on TV....

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by Anonymousreply 99May 23, 2019 5:59 AM

The August 1982 episode of 'Guiding Light' I mentioned above had Josh and Morgan on some business trip to somewhere with a beach or on an island. Kelly followed them for some reason, and it looked like Josh was kissing Kelly's girlfriend Morgan on the beach. Kelly went nuts and attacked Josh, the two of them fighting shirtless in the golden sand!

Robert Newman and DL Gay Royalty John Wesley Shipp were both gorgeous and convinced me to switched my allegiance from ABC to CBS right then and there, never to look back.

Which I am so glad happened because GL was just amazing from 1982 through 1986 or so. Kim Zimmer as Reva Shayne remains my favorite television character to this day.

Carrie Nye as Susan Piper in 1984 was camplicious!

by Anonymousreply 100May 23, 2019 11:26 AM

Warning: this is long. I know, "get a blog."

My older sister watched in the late 70s, so I remember a little about the Lassa Fever stuff. And little Jeremy getting sick. My grandfather watched too, and I remember the Heather LSD stuff, Steven Lars/PJ, and Tracy holding Edwards medication while he had his (fake) heart attack, seeing some of those episodes while at my grandparents' house.

I recall a Cape Cod vacation, the family would spend the mornings on the beach, have lunch and come home. I was big into Casper comic books, so they'd let me watch the Casper cartoons at 2:00 or 2:30, but at 3:00 we'd switch over to GH. It must have been 1980, I had just turned 12, because I remember L&L on the run, dancing at the department store, sleeping with the blanket hung to separate the bed. My sister oohed and aahed, and my mother told her it was a rip-off from "It Happened One Night".

Driving home from that vacation, we had a copy of Soap Opera Digest in the car, so I'd quiz my sister on the GH cast list. Who played Alice Grant? Lieux Dressler! Amy Vining? Shell Kepler! It was reading that copy of SOD when I realized that soaps weren't just love stories, they had mysteries and murders, too! (In addition to Casper, I loved Agatha Christie novels.)

With that, I was hooked, especially the Heather Webber stuff. I'd watch even if my sister was working that afternoon. The Diana Taylor story - this isn't just nostalgia talking - was so well done. Bringing it to a slow boil, and plotting out details. Heather learning the Webber's had a gun in their home (where her mother was the housekeeper), stealing the gun and hiding it in the plastic head of the doll belonging to Sarah, her roommate in the sanitarium. Learning she resembled Nurse Shelly Vernon when she pinned her hair up. Hearing Shelly tell a mechanic that the spare key to her car was hidden in the wheel-well. Stealing the nurses' uniform when she worked in the laundry room and hiding it under her mattress, and plotting the big escape from Forest Hills to kill Diana and reunite with Jeff and her son. This took months to play out, but they were addressing all the details of the crime. You'd never see that today.

I watched GH until 85 or so, part way through high school, but also read SOD religiously, and tuned into other soaps when I could when they had a good mystery going. (Original Silver Kane on AMC in 82-83 was second only to Diana Taylor in my book.)

It's funny, I followed all the soap storylines through junior high/high school, once in college I'd watch one on occasion, but that was it. I have some awareness of stories or characters on soaps, but post-1990, I'd never get hooked into them again the way I once had.

by Anonymousreply 101May 23, 2019 11:29 AM

When I switched from GH to GJ in August 1982, I had all of my saved 1980-1982 issues of SOD to read the backstory of GL with!

by Anonymousreply 102May 23, 2019 12:03 PM

Wow, so many MARY! (O'Brien) posts.

by Anonymousreply 103May 23, 2019 12:11 PM

One thing I noticed in that AMC clip at R69 is that while they were attractive people, they did not all look like super models. Lucci herself might not even be cast because she would not fit the soap cookie cutter. Hard to imagine two soap ingenues today be as good in that scene as Debbie Morgan and Marcy Walker.

by Anonymousreply 104May 23, 2019 12:12 PM

It was great back then. Loved so many of the characters - except Sonny. God, I wish he would get whacked.

by Anonymousreply 105May 23, 2019 12:18 PM

R69 What a treasure ... love Opal and Myrtle ... great fun ....

by Anonymousreply 106May 23, 2019 12:44 PM

Yes. I was there. Robert Scorpio was very sexy. The guy who played Brad on OLTL at the time was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 107May 23, 2019 12:52 PM

R90 Michelle Forbes was just so good.

This is a more traditional scene with her, but she played a character who had dark edges and yet was never a villain. You were always rooting for her. (The actress she's in a scene with here was very similar.)

They put Michelle through a LOT of soap cliches - twins, memory loss - and she just turned in one stellar performance after the other.

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by Anonymousreply 108May 23, 2019 12:56 PM

Did they use the word rape on the show? I don’t remember but after that Luke and Laura fell in love. Maybe he took her and she really liked it? Of course today it wouldn’t be on TV. It was huge everyone watched it, that song, Luke’s curly hair, the disco lights.

by Anonymousreply 109May 23, 2019 12:57 PM

I watched General Hospital, One Life to Live, All My Children for quite awhile back then. What is a good soap to watch now?

by Anonymousreply 110May 23, 2019 12:58 PM

R110 Sadly, none of them.

None of the shows have solid writing, which is what made a difference in the late 70s and 80s.

Few can afford decent actors.

Young and Restless is the least offensive, but it keeps rehashing the same stories from 40 years ago.

GH has its moments but insists on propping up a short, fugly man with shoe polish on his hair - who plays a murderous mob boss - as romantic lead, with a bucktoothed harpy as his wife and their friend, whose face is melting off, as the second-in-command romantic lead. It, too, only occasionally features a decent story.

The heyday is long gone. Writers really do make or break a show, kids.

The New York shows, which were always the best written and acted, are all gone.

by Anonymousreply 111May 23, 2019 1:03 PM

Take talk of your boring low-energy P&G shows elsewhere. No one here wants to talk about those snoozefests.

by Anonymousreply 112May 23, 2019 1:07 PM

Agreed, none are worth watching now. Just a shell of their former selves.

The last one I enjoyed was the AMC reboot on Hulu. Unfortually, it didn't last long.

by Anonymousreply 113May 23, 2019 1:07 PM

^ R111 remember Asa Buchanan on OLTL? I loved all his antics, the big family all the conniving. Friday’s show was always a cliffhanger, everyone had to wait until Monday to see how it played out.

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by Anonymousreply 114May 23, 2019 1:09 PM

I remember seeing the name Agnes Nixon was she the head writer or creative person? I’ll google.

by Anonymousreply 115May 23, 2019 1:11 PM

Agnes Nixon died in 2016.

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by Anonymousreply 116May 23, 2019 1:13 PM

R101 I seen of Facebook that Lieux Dressler died last year and it wasn't reported anywhere. Odd since she did do other stuff other than just GH, other TV, movies, theater and was an acting coach. Guess maybe her family wanted privacy. She was 87, a long life.

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by Anonymousreply 117May 23, 2019 1:15 PM

Another posting. She died Feb 9th of last year.

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by Anonymousreply 118May 23, 2019 1:21 PM

One of the many times GL was great.

GH and DAYS could be very entertaining with big splashy stories.

GL made gold out of the shit that could happen with anyone. We all know the perfect, but bored housewife and the woman who seems to captivate many men but never quite finds the perfect mate. Here they are together - getting real with one another.

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by Anonymousreply 119May 23, 2019 1:37 PM

R111 I always laugh when people say the NYC based soaps were the best written and acted. It doesn't matter because writers go from soap to soap and many NYC theatre trained actors move around and did the LA based soaps too, so it really doesn't matter in the big picture

As previously mentioned, at one time in the 70s, LA based soap DAYS had a majority of NYC theatre trained actors in it's cast, even Suzanne Rodgers before she was cast as Maggie was a Rockette and got into acting by landing roles in NYC theatre, she was actually offered a role first on a NYC soap but the DAYS offer was better and she relocated to LA for DAYS

Same with John Aniston, Victor Kiriakis on DAYS, trained NYC theatre actor then got his soap start on NYC taped soaps before relocating to LA for DAYS full time

And writers jump from soap to soap, and Coast to coast (well used to) for soap work as well as producers, so that NY soaps are better argument makes no sense

by Anonymousreply 120May 23, 2019 1:44 PM

I think the NY soaps, maybe because of the smaller sets or the fact many were produced by NY theater people, had a raw, rough, unpolished theater-like feel to them than the LA soaps, which had better production values but seemed overproduced at times. Until the 80s, most writers and actors did not go from coast to coast, so the NY soaps up until that time and even beyond did primarily employ NY theater actors and playwrights as opposed to the LA shows.

by Anonymousreply 121May 23, 2019 2:36 PM

I don't want to clog this GH thread with any more non GH stuff but FYI, if you see the "Midwestern Towns" threads we are usually talking about the New York shows there - GL, ATWT, AW, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 122May 23, 2019 3:22 PM

R120 In the 70s that was true. But for a time in the 80s and 90s the NYC shows were much better, mostly because the West Coast shows were hiring Bill Bell type bimbos and the NYC shows had theater people.

by Anonymousreply 123May 23, 2019 3:23 PM

There WERE exceptions - Santa Barbara, most notably.

by Anonymousreply 124May 23, 2019 3:24 PM

Is there a thread where we can talk about The Slut of Springfield?

by Anonymousreply 125May 23, 2019 5:11 PM

Philece Sempler, who played Renee Dimera on DAYS in the early 80s, trained in the NYC theatre and you can tell with her theatrical performance on DAYS especially her big New Year's Eve 1984 monologue where she reads down the whole town of Salem

Great acting, no surprise the NYC taped P&G soap Another World picked her up as Donna Love

by Anonymousreply 126May 23, 2019 5:28 PM

The first years of Ryan's Hope were good.

by Anonymousreply 127May 23, 2019 5:36 PM

R125 Feel free to chat about her at the thread linked at R122.

by Anonymousreply 128May 23, 2019 5:37 PM

YES, r107! Brad on OLTL was so sexy, coming in all sweaty after a jog, hot body and hairy chest. I rewound many a videotape whacking off to him. Even after he raped Karen, I wanted him to do me too!

by Anonymousreply 129May 23, 2019 8:59 PM

Thanks for the update on Lieux Dressler, R117/R118. As Alice Grant on GH, she was one of those characters who wasn't a main player, but brought the goods in all her scenes.

by Anonymousreply 130May 23, 2019 11:35 PM

The rape conversation really didn't start, IMO, until the GL storyline with Beth/Bradley, her stepfather. GH was exciting but this storyline really had depth and gravitas. Of all the great, Oscar worthy actors GL had previously, the girl who played Beth won their first acting Emmy award.

by Anonymousreply 131May 24, 2019 12:58 AM

Here's the Soap Opera Digest entry for GH for October 1979, when Laura is raped!

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by Anonymousreply 132May 24, 2019 1:30 AM

It pissed off fans but Lucky learning that Luke raped Laura was powerful stuff.

by Anonymousreply 133May 24, 2019 6:01 AM

Riveting, disturbing and haunting. Geary was an amazing actor with the right material.

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by Anonymousreply 134May 24, 2019 6:10 AM

R134- That scene which was intercut with scenes from the original disco scene was probably TG's best acting.

The biggest problem with the whole rape revisit was that most of the material either excluded Laura or completely rewrote history. Excluding Laura might have been because Genie Francis returned when the story was well underway - but there was a scene where Laura calls the rape "one bad night" and Luke asks her if she ever acknowledged that it was rape.

That was ridiculous since the entire original storyline had Laura calling it rape in just about every discussion she had with Luke. But the revisit storyline was trying to make it seem like she was delusional. About the only good line for Laura came later in the scene where she tells Luke "you're punishing me for forgiving you, how unfair is that?"

by Anonymousreply 135May 24, 2019 10:04 PM

R133- Lucky treating Laura like crap lost him a lot of fans. He throws it up in her face that she used to say she fell in love with Luke at first sight...so Lucky asks her if 'at first sight' meant when the lights were going at the disco and Luke had her pinned down on the floor.

Fans were hoping Laura would smack Lucky across the mouth for that. And it was kind of a creepy mother-son scene.

by Anonymousreply 136May 24, 2019 10:09 PM

R136 Yes, I never liked Lucky after the way he treated Laura during that story. Meanwhile, Nicolas was the product of Stavros' rape of Laura, but I don't remember him ever giving her grief over it, was it because Laura never forgave Stavros?

by Anonymousreply 137May 24, 2019 10:27 PM

The 1908s needed the Me Too movement. Rape was blamed on the woman.

by Anonymousreply 138May 24, 2019 10:30 PM

R137-The whole Nicholas angle was weird because the way I remember it, it was like Nicholas kept insisting that Laura was legally married to Stavros, since Luke was "dead"- but the part about Laura being kidnapped and Stavros NEVER attempting to return her to her family never dawned on Nicholas.

by Anonymousreply 139May 25, 2019 8:15 AM

Nikolas was raised believing Laura just left the island, never caring about him. She decided to run to Luke, her rapist, instead of staying with her husband, Stavros. When Stavros chased after Laura, they killed him.

This is the story Helena and Stefan fed him. Of course, they left out the kidnapping part. It’s understandable why a kid would hate his mother with that story.

by Anonymousreply 140May 25, 2019 1:54 PM

Lol, I loved how GH would just insert a random scene of Jimmy Lee changing his shirt back in the day. Go to the 0:40 mark. Beefcake.

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by Anonymousreply 141May 27, 2019 11:29 AM

Here's more shirtless Jimmy Lee, this time fucking Celia. I always hated Celia. You'd think these two would have been able to keep out of each other's pants, not so much due to Celia being engaged to Grant, but because their fathers were cousins. Ick.

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by Anonymousreply 142May 27, 2019 1:38 PM

Has Demi Moore or Janine Turner ever talked about their time on GH?

by Anonymousreply 143May 27, 2019 2:12 PM

When GH celebrated its 50th anniversary a few years ago, they produced a bunch of short videos of current/prior cast members wishing them a happy 50th and sharing memories of their time on GH. I know Turner appeared in one of the clips, but I don't recall what she said about her time on the show. But she and John Stamos both embrace their roots in soap... Demi Moore, I don't think does. I could be wrong, but I've never seen her mention anything.

by Anonymousreply 144May 27, 2019 2:28 PM

Whatever happened to Celia and Jimmy Lee ... married? Kids?

by Anonymousreply 145May 27, 2019 7:00 PM

One of the best things about GH 79-81 was the great roster of supporting characters they had. The guy who played Slick, O'Reilly [RIP], creepy Watson, Hutch, Rose etc. A lot of great performers that never got the lead in their own stories but were great at supporting. Even the landlady that took care of the building that Luke and Laura lived in was entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 146May 27, 2019 11:43 PM

They need to bring a sexy young man with wavy hair......Jimmy Lee's son.

Maybe Jimmy Lee can come back and butt heads with Monica.

by Anonymousreply 147May 27, 2019 11:47 PM

Michael Muhney IN as Jimmy Lee Holt, Jr.

by Anonymousreply 148May 28, 2019 12:25 AM

Slick and Emma Lutz were minor characters. Rose was a star, getting her own Soap Opera Digest cover!

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by Anonymousreply 149May 28, 2019 11:29 AM

Kin Shriner looked good for a long long time, way longer than anyone would have thought....but he looks really bad these days.

by Anonymousreply 150May 28, 2019 12:48 PM

He is 65 now. (Kin) And I don't think he's had work done, other than whatever the deal is with his hair.

Strange to think that he's almost a decade older than Genie. Back when they were originally paired (80?) they would have been about 26 and 18. Sounds creepy today. But he was probably playing 22/23 because Scotty was just starting law school.

Just watched the clip from the Gail memorial. Bobbi and Monica still look like burn victims. Lesley looks fine considering she's probably close to 80 these days.

by Anonymousreply 151May 28, 2019 1:30 PM

He either got fat or has some sort of glandular problem, because his neck is very swollen.

by Anonymousreply 152May 28, 2019 1:32 PM

Cast from 40 years ago.

I think we've lost Steve, Jessie, Lee, Gail, Edward, Lila, Peter, Bryan, Dan, ... anyone else

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by Anonymousreply 153May 28, 2019 1:44 PM

Also Audrey and Alice. Amy's gone, but not sure if she's in those credits?

by Anonymousreply 154May 28, 2019 1:50 PM

Hope this link works

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by Anonymousreply 155May 28, 2019 1:53 PM

Nice find, R155.

by Anonymousreply 156May 28, 2019 3:03 PM

R151 Add to that - Genie moved out of her parents home and moved in with Kin. Must have been scandalous back then.

by Anonymousreply 157May 28, 2019 5:47 PM

Kim always seemed to have BDF, at least to me.

by Anonymousreply 158May 28, 2019 6:52 PM

I still have that poster somewhere R155

by Anonymousreply 159May 29, 2019 2:59 AM

Monica Webber is a dirty whore!

by Anonymousreply 160May 30, 2019 2:17 PM

Oh, Steve...

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by Anonymousreply 161May 30, 2019 10:13 PM

I thought Grant and Celia were one of the most beautiful couples ever along with Duke and Anna. Never thought Robert Scorpio or Luke were attractive in the least.

by Anonymousreply 162May 30, 2019 11:51 PM

Robert is one of those rare men that actually looks better older than he did when younger.

by Anonymousreply 163May 31, 2019 12:11 AM

R151 and r157 Laura was 17 when she married Scotty. She had to get parental consent from Rick and Lesley. She had just turned 18 when she got the cocktail waitress job at the campus disco.

by Anonymousreply 164May 31, 2019 12:49 AM

I could never figure out how old Luke was supposed to be. I know that Tony Geary was in his 30s in real life---but I remember they had scenes of Luke attending college with Laura - although how he ever managed that while running a disco?- so it's like they were trying to make him seem like he was in his mid-20s or something.

by Anonymousreply 165May 31, 2019 7:26 AM

Steve Bond was so hot.

by Anonymousreply 166May 31, 2019 9:57 AM

Yes, he was, R166.

by Anonymousreply 167June 1, 2019 1:58 PM

I loved O'Reilly, played by none other than Witchiepoo herself, Billie Hayes

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by Anonymousreply 168June 12, 2019 12:22 AM

This is later than the 80s, but I really enjoyed V Ardanowski ... always felt that she and Jax shouldve gotten together ...

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by Anonymousreply 169June 25, 2019 2:31 AM
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