British Royal Family Gossip: Part 59

Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia was also at Lady Gabriella Windsor's wedding on Saturday.

Royal brides through the ages. Ella is missing.

R1 Prince Dimitri's Instagram is very interesting. He's a gemologist and jewellery designer, really nice stuff and he also posts old family photos which include Kings, Grand Dukes and Popes! Well worth a look, really fascinating

It will be interesting to see the changes, if any, of the national rankings. Harry really is nothing without his 'People's Prince' and 'the lad at the pub' image

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R2 Princess Ann looks terrific there. They are also missing Camilla

Photo from the previous thread - Princess Alexandra doesn't look very well. Her hair is a mess, her face looks haggard and she has little makeup on. She's definitely not her normal elegant and regal self.

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R9 - Sadly, Lady Davina Windsor, daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, just divorced her Maori husband.

damn philip, Great for 98!

I can see Archie looking similar to Lady Davina's child (see photos in the link below).

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98? Ye gods! The old coot is still going strong by the looks of it.

Senna is a beauty R12, and those are not close-set eyes. Archie will have Harry's beady weasel look with maybe a slight cross a la Megs.

Yes linked article confirms that Princess Alexandra was there in a teal outfit but "hid" very well from the photographers! There is one photo of her there though. The Duke and Duchess of Kent were not there. He was abroad and presumably for whatever reason she wasn't up to or up for attending alone.

I think Meghan is obsessed with self-promotion, but that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with posting pictures of her wedding on her one-year anniversary. That's not unexpected, and Gabriella is a minor Royal whose wedding was yesterday--there's not a lot of thunder to steal at this point.

It will be interesting to see what Meghan comes up with next, though, since she blew through so many milestone events so quickly. But then, we haven't seen really good pictures of Archie yet--she'll tease that for weeks, probably.

R16 - Alexandra sure hid herself very well.

R13 She has cow puncher bowlegs from decades of horse riding. I wonder why she wouldn't wear a pair of nice fitting trousers or even a longer skirt. I like how she doesn't worry about her appearance though, she is what she is.

I found 2 pictures that I think are of Princess Alexandra...

Behind Princess Anne.

R17 - one photo is fine. Lots of artsy b & w photos with accompanying music by the couple who supposedly want privacy is quite over-the-top. The post was great for their Instagram followers, but really tacky for a royal to be so self-involved.

R20 here.

And, here, I think at the far right.

Princess Alexandra can be seen in a couple of photos here.

Dapper man alert!

Nice to see a proper royal wedding not some show business PR bullshit.

Princess Henry....the feminist icon.

🙄

Ella's new husband Thomas Kingston seemed to be blonder at his wedding than he was when he went with Kate's sister (photos below). I think he's attractive enough but I don't know if I would want Pippa's castoff as my hubby.

A woman won't be getting the "royal wedding look" with these two knockoffs. They don't even look very similar.

R27, I think it was the other way round, Pippa was deemed as not quite "wife-material" and jibbed.

[quote]I think Meghan is obsessed with self-promotion, but that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with posting pictures of her wedding on her one-year anniversary.

Along with the soundtrack of "spirituals"? You don't think that's over the top?

I think you'd be fine if Kate did it, r30

LOL - Kate would never do such a thing. Can you imagine?

R31 - but that's the point, isn't it? Kate doesn't DO IT. She knows how to behave as a member of the royal. She knows it's not about HER, it's about Queen and Country.

yeah you're right, she ain't exactly fun.

R30, she sees herself as the messiah, so it’s not that surprising.

I especially enjoyed the sounds of shutters snapping at the end of the video.

oh bitch please r33. it won't kill Queen and Country if Meghan decides to have a little fun on her anniversary.

[quote]I especially enjoyed the sounds of shutters snapping at the end of the video.

LOL. I didn't watch it all the way through.

I must look at it again.

It does when Meghan uses everybody's money to have fun. Bitch can fund herself.

R34 - you mean Kate's not that tacky and conceited. Duchess Yoko has no filter to modify her behavior. She's so full of her own importance she can't help herself.

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good lord, do the fraus here seriously think the Black One is the first to have a little fun using everybody's money? Yes, they all get money for being royal, and sometimes they spend it having fun. Sorry that's a trauma for some of you.

Okay, you win, R30 and others. I hadn't actually watched the Sussex vid when I made my post about there being nothing wrong with posting Instagram photos on your anniversary.

I just watched the Sussex Instagram vid, and I wouldn't find it OTT if a) they didn't have the incongruity of an American black choir juxtaposed against the pictures of places known for incredible white privilege and b) if they hadn't included the shots of the many journalists snapping their pictures and the crowds waving flags at the end, which makes the Sussexes look like incredible famewhores.

I realize Meghan and Harry had a black choir at their wedding, but notice no shots of the choir actually made it into the montage.

[quote] the Black One

HORRIBLE expression.

R36

Do you know what Markle’s job is? The one we’re paying her to do?

She supports her husband while he represents the Queen. That’s it.

The Queen can’t be everywhere at once so she sends out family members to stand-in for her.

The Queen’s job as monarch?

[quote] The monarch and their immediate family undertake various official, ceremonial, diplomatic and representational duties.

How does twee, syrupy IG videos fit with that job description exactly?

It doesn’t.

oh good lord, bitch, good lord. You are funny though, I'll give you that. You are funnier than Kate. Low bar, but still it's a bar.

R41 - is your idea of fun posting tacky shit (Look at ME!) on Instagram? "The Black One"? No need to say anything more.

[quote]"thank you for making the memory of this day so special"

It's all about me - but I thank YOU.

Oh, and Meghan's job is actually to produce babies for The Firm. She's done that. That really is every Royal Spouse's job. That's kind of it.

And yes, I say The Black One, because I think for a lot of you, that is the big problem here. Fraus, we see you.

Criminal fraud on the British Taxpayer!!!

Oh, dear - "frau" has become such a cliché recently.

[quote]And yes, I say The Black One, because I think for a lot of you, that is the big problem here

No, that nasty expression came from your mouth.

Keep it shut.

R49 - actually if you knew what you were talking about, you would have correctly called Meghan "The Bi-Racial One". You're the one playing the race card here. You can't possibly get it through your little brain that a black or bi-racial person can be disliked for their personality or character and not because of the color of their skin. That's your problem not mine. Do shut up or fuck off entirely.

I actually get why some people don't like Meghan. She's flashy where a lot of people want non flashy. I still think people go overboard and start hating everything about her, when they really don't need to. She really hasn't done anything awful.

She never bothered me that much, but that video has really tipped the scales.

And since I'm kind of in this reflective mood all of a sudden, yeah, I shouldn't accuse a bunch of strangers of racism. That is not helpful. I like Meghan Markle, I think she's fine, I don't think she's done anything terrible to disgrace the Royal Family, but I don't need to decide that everyone who doesn't like her is racist. That's not helpful.

R54 - when you're a member of the Royal Family, you're not suppose to be flashy. Flashy is for Hollywood celebrities like the Kardashians. When a royal begins to act like a Hollywood celebrity, it sets a very dangerous precedent. The royals are well-known but they're not celebrities. They're representatives of the Queen. Why the Royal Family allows her to take this path is beyond me.

Diana could be flashy at times and we all know what happened to her - divorce and tragic death.

Diana was more "drama queen" than flashy.

Dear Meghan,

I absolutely LOVED that video you posted on Instagram.

PLEASE POST MORE!

nobody's gonna give an inch, are they? I do kinda love the Brits sometimes, for their stubborn hatred of dissent. Y'all still got that Victorian Spirit.

Please don’t insult real racism by calling this racism 🙄

um, think I did that already r62

again, I seriously love Aristocrats. They give no ground ever, they are entirely bitter and demanding at every moment, and it's kind of fun. They are what they are, and we are all kind of okay with it.

R64 wins the prize for the most annoying post of the month.

[quote]and we are all kind of okay with it.

and they usually include the word "we", don't they?

Agreed R7 re Princess Alexandra - I wouldn’t have recognised her. It’s not ageing, she looks very unwell and unkempt, and she has always been very well put together. I know that she was out of action for most of last year with health issues.

Yes, she’s 82, but it’s a surprise to see that time has caught up with her. As it will to us all, of course.

and now I must do this, for Prince Archie, cause I'm a bastard sometimes:

seriously, r65, you are mad about that? You are an Aristocrat, ain't ya Blanche?

and I must do this for Meghan - she can use it in her next video.

Diana was a 19 year old english aristocrat from a through and through and came across as genuine in caring about people.

Meghan is an 36+ kardashian worshipping american divorcee failed hollywood starlet with tragically dated instagram aesthetic.

If you want the taxpayers to pay for your lifestyle, you gotta know what appeals to them. Hollywood instagram aesthetic does not work it.

No one's GUIDING her , R70- just as no one guided Fergie and look how that panned out.

There’s no such thing as an “aristocrat” anymore, R68. Which you would know if you had any idea what the word means.

R65, are you that Marquis that ran over that kid in Tale of Two Cities? You are awesome.

R71 I think they’re trying to but Meghan knows best.

God, the divorce is going to be epic, isn’t it? She won’t be able to keep her fat mouth shut.

um, r72, there's a lot of dukes and earls and barons wandering around England, not to mention the rest of Europe. They're Aristocrats, if you hadn't heard.

I doubt she's knows anything too damaging, not a single person outside of Harry liked her and she never earned her way in.

[quote]If you want the taxpayers to pay for your lifestyle, you gotta know what appeals to them. Hollywood instagram aesthetic does not work it.

But Meghan doesn't give a damn about British taxpayers. Every move she's made in the past year makes it clear that she sees her future as an American celebrity. It's the American market that she wants to appeal to, because that's where she plans to be a decade from now.

okay, first of all, not one tiny gracious response to my post. That is the Aristocracy.

Second, she IS giving the people what they want, glamour. They actually like that. Ask the ghost of Princess Diana, you morons.

“Princess Diana”, R78? And you’re calling other people “morons”?

R78 Glamour?! I've yet to see any from her. She looks like she's just rolled out of bed most of the time

R75 Do you often pronounce on subjects you know nothing about? You should stop that, really.

*sigh* An aristocracy is a system of government where nobles hold the power. An aristocrat was such a noble.

The UK is not an aristocracy any more...the last vestiges of that disappeared when hereditary peers no longer took a seat in the HoL by right.

There are no aristocracies in Europe. Saudi is the only one in the world left.

Having a title you inherited from your Dad entitles you to nothing legally - certainly not to play a part in government.

So, sorry...the UK is not an aristocracy, so has no aristocrats.

and this r79 is what I'm talking about. the world loved Diana, but the aristocracy did not. This is why I kinda love the aristocrats. they don't give a shit, ever. they hate, cause they hate, and nothing is gonna change their minds. They're sort of wonderful in their awfulness.

People loved Diana for her compassion as much as for her glamour. Glamour alone doesn't make you an icon--look at Princess Margaret, who was plenty glamorous in her youth. Her death was largely ignored by the British public.

Glamour?

Botox, silicone fillers, fake teeth, nose jobs, reconstructed tits, shovelfuls of make-up and poorly fitting clothes with the labels hanging off = glamour?

Alrighty then.

and oh you silly bitch at r81. nobody is saying that England is an Aristocracy, but it HAS an Aristocracy. Please stop being the silly bitch you are and educate yourself.

The Cambridge kids visiting Kate's Chelsea Flower Show garden

Somebody built like a square linebacker is about as glamorous as a garden hose. But really, the growing groundswell of dislike toward her is from former well-wishers sick of her disingenuity and greed for flash. She is all talk no substance.

Just two normal kids, down by the ol' fishin' hole . . .

"Saudi" is an aristocracy? Please stop being the dumbest bitch on this thread. Please.

She's glamorous. She's a star. Why does that traumatize some people?

R85

Oh, OK......the UK has a system of government that puts hereditary peers in charge, does it?

It does not. It does NOT have an aristocracy.

There are a few people around who inherited titles....titles that mean nothing anymore. That is not an aristocracy.

Yes. Saudi is governed by a family who inherited their positions.

I am embarrassed for you.

You watch Fox and Friends do't you R90.

Because R90, we don't find her glamorous and know that her stardom is based in nothing but the fact that she was able to seduce the seventh in line to the British throne, and the reality of that irritates us?

She’s a lying, showboating cunt. Why does that traumatise you?

you are seriously too stupid to be in this conversation r91. We can talk about Meghan, but you are too stupid for the basics. Just stop before you hurt yourself.

Nobody gives a shit, R91. Nobody using 'aristocracy' in the political sense, but in the social/historical sense. Either you're too stupid to get that, or you're a troll who is trying to derail the thread. Either way, shut the fuck up and fuck the fuck off.

So is Fox and Friends a big Mehan place? Really? You think Fox News is about Meghan, the black princess? Okay.

god, how do you people remember to breathe every day. what is your damage?

Charlotte swings!

Louis walks in garden.

Love the new photos of the Cambridge children.

Making a bow.

George and Charlotte dangling on bridge.

these are adorable. everyone upthread is wrong about everything, but these are very sweet.

Louis looking a little bit more like his older brother in these shots.

To the person spouting off about there being no aristocrats in the UK - please, please, please go away.

Chelsea Garden Show - Cambridge kids visit.

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This is a blog written a by British woc who gives a unique perspective of the Sussexes and their inflated ability to turn off the general public. She jokes to the stans to enjoy the wedding anniversary because that might be the only one they get, and then adds that no, Meghan needs to secure her divorce settlement and predicts a separation not long after the second birth. Some of the best observances:

[quote]Why they hurriedly moved to Windsor only to drive back in to London to have the baby, I don’t know, but maybe that’s just me who doesn’t understand.

[quote]Enjoy today Sussex fans – it may be the only wedding anniversary of theirs you’ll be celebrating.

[quote]In other (relatively boring) news, Prince Harry apparently won a settlement in court because some dudes in a helicopter flew over him and Meghan’s home in the Cotswolds and took some pictures of the house, which apparently showed areas of the dining room and bedroom. I mean, Harry – your wife had no problem tossing some guy’s salad on camera and you’re more worried about the fact people know what shape your dining table is? If I were you, I’d be saving my pennies for the court case when THAT material is released.

[quote]People came out with lovely messages all over social media – namely journalist Richard Eden, who mentioned how nice it was to see a wedding with actual family in attendance – throwing subtle shade at the Sussexes because 90% of their wedding congregation consisted of “Hollywood actor” guests they’d probably never spoken to.

you type bitter r108

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Previous thread had a little mini-fight about Digital Spy and whether or not there are/were any anti-Meg threads there. Just wanted to say that I saw two around Jan/Feb this year, both of which were removed by the mods (and then the thread discussing the removal was also removed). There was a royal forum that disallowed negative talk about MM and H as well. It's weird, no? Like the level of internet vitriol spilled towards non-royal celebs can be found in abundance at all of these places (maybe not the royal forum, dunno). But we can't have mean things said about THESE two people in particular? Why? It's so barfishly deferential.

The Digital Spy threads, iirc, weren't even that bad. The criticism was of the mild "I find her a little cringe-y but I bet the baby will be cute" variety, but the responses! "You're obviously a deeply unhappy racist for having a differing opinion to mine! Foad!"

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These are amazing shots of the Cambridges. No wonder they are increasingly beloved.

interesting r111, kind of a mirror image of this thread and every other similar thread on DL. Weird.

The more whomever tries to suppress the very valid criticisms of Meghan and Harry, the more they will be reviled.

Most popular and wonderful royals, that's why everyone the dares to hate that couple gets threats and shut down. What a farce.

and yet nobody is actually trying to suppress the criticisms of Meghan and Harry. It's almost like that isn't happening at all. Weirdness.

Louis is Mama's favorite. That's clear.

it's almost like stupid fraus are trying to create a moronic persecution complex for themselves. Weird.

Funny how karma is beginning to bite Mean Girl Meghan in the ass. And I am so here for it.

R120 = The Actual Moron. Congrats!

Sorry R120. I meant R119 = The Actual Moron on this thread! Congrats to you.

[quote]Louis is Mama's favorite. That's clear.

Until the next one.

you were right the first time r122

R100 - Stand back. Louis is walking and coming your way! LOL.

He's my favorite Cambridge child by far.

Oh calm down R117 and R119 - I was just pointing out that actually, there were multiple attempts to discuss MM and H on Digital Spy, all of which were shut down, because someone previously used the "I see no negative discussion on Digital Spy!" as 'proof' MM and H are actually super popular in the UK. I don't think it was anything more than an internet board moderator not wanting to deal with the extreme drama that ensues when the non-fans one of celeb in particular attracts a pack of baying hyenas dedicated to defending said celeb. So stop with your "ooooh, they think they're being ShUt doWn bY tHe PowErs ThAt bE!" stirring. Just pointing out the convos existed on Digital Spy. And then were removed by a mod. That's all. Haven't been back since then because tbh the discussions there are boring, regardless of who/what's being discussed.

I hope Kate does have another one. Twins would be even better.

It also doesn't matter is 99.999% of every UK citizen thinks MM is literally Female Jesus returned to Earth. I still think she's a cringe-y Insta-basic and I reserve my right to scoff all the popcorn as I watch it all play out.

R127 - the more the merrier I say. Ensuring that Hapless Harry gets no way near the throne is the best thing the Cambridges can do right now. "The Toxic Two" is my new Sussex nickname.

Twin princesses would be amazing. People love princesses.

The irony, too, is on a forum like LipstickAlley where the primary demographic is women of color. One of their most popular and active threads is calling out Meghan's fake ass. They also are complaining because Meghan is so contemptible it's caused some of them to turn their opinions of Kate into a positive.

The Sun on Meghan and Matt Cardle

If Kate produced twin princesses that would really be the end of Meghan. Her head would literally explode from envy.

And not just Meghan howling. The gnashing of teeth and rending of garments would send the fraus on CB into an irretrievable tailspin.

yeah, fraus, calm down, Harry is not going to be the King, and Meghan is not going to be the Queen. You can all relax about that. Call down the Frau Alert. It doesn't matter anymore.

Am I the only one who thinks Charlotte looks like Diana?

"Frau" - the insult of the DL moron.

A lot of people have said they see in Charlotte a brunette Diana.

I think Charlotte looks like HM, but it's always fun to see different 'people' showing up in children's features as they age. In one of those shots of Louis from today, his older brother is in evidence. William himself, as someone pointed out in a previous iteration of this thread, is looking more and more like a Spencer even as his brother, who used to be the target of "illegitimate" rumours, looks ever more like Windsor (esp. ol' grandad).

You all should read that Sun story that someone upthread linked - that Meg messaged Matt Cardle for awhile before HE ghosted HER (lol) after hooking up with his current gf. That sounds well sourced, and there's a "no comment" from MM's people at the end, because they no doubt know receipts exist.

You gotta hand it to this hustla. She was sniffing around Matt Cardle for god's sake and then she ran into the boy with TARGET written on his forehead and the rest is history. Harry just, goddamn, he really fell for it hook, line and sinker. Dumb bunny.

good lord bitch at r137, are you seriously still angry about all this?

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R140 if we all present you with officially certified documents confirming that we are indeed the angriest, bitterest, maddest, craziest, frau-iest, most furious and puce-faced, unhappy, lonely, basement-swelling cretins to have ever walked the earth (due entirely to our not entirely buying Meghan Markle's Basic Bitch Emporium Wares) will you promise to leave this thread alone? Pinky swear??

MM's male counterpart

"basement-swelling" typo not intended but I did forget to add "massively obese" to my list of descriptors so just go with it.

No, I love you all too much. Especially the Aristocrats. And seriously, what are you so angry about?

Did Bea inherit the same "idiot" gene Harry received?

Charlotte is beginning to resemble her father, who resembles his mother, so by the transitive property, she would look like Diana.

I actually am curious about Bea's relationship with Edo. The outward signs aren't good (he ditched his gf - wife? - and baby - to get with her) but we don't actually have hard evidence yet, do we? Does he have a lifestyle blog we can peruse?

There is something in the expression of her eyes that is very Diana-esque.

R147 - OK, yes. In the photos released for Charlotte's birthday I definitely saw William in her for the first time. I see some of William in George as well, and none of him in Louis (who looks like Kate's brother to me).

How would Princess Michael of Kent be described?

Have the stalwart Middleton commoner genes at last seen off the Windsor horsiness? We can only hope.

Striking eye colour on Charlotte, too, that very dark grey-blue.

[quote]How would Princess Michael of Kent be described?

Fucking nutcase. Did you see what she wore to her daughter's wedding?

Bea's guy lets her take the lead. He's seems like a savvier sort of trouble.

Oprah, gayle, Clooneys, Beyonce and the sussexes must be fuming right now and tomorrow!

One of the fraus on CB was indignant that Lady Gabriella chose the day before HazBean's first anniversary as if, you know, the first wedding anniversary of the sixth in line should be a national holiday - then, of course, we had the Cambridges out at the Flower Show en masse, also on the Sacred Day - the result was very little attention paid to Harry and Meghan celebrating one year of wedded bliss.

Of course, said frau probably had no diffiulty with the naternity coat stunt at the Queen's granddaughter's televised wedding last October . . .

Bea is using Edo for respectability and sperm. Once she gets a couple babies off him, they'll have a respectable divorce and she'll be content to be the fun divorced single mum. In her circle, that's way better than being a spinster.

R150 - Charlotte looks like being all Windsor. Louis looks like being all Middleton. George looks like a blend. Very attractive brood.

Sad that none of these gorgeous kids look like Diana.

Getting back to the Times article that was posted in the last thread (it was so fast moving, it was closed out before I had a chance to read all the posts). I think the important point when discussing MM-Harry's future role is the sentence that said, it had to be decided soon because once the Queen passes, there won't be any way to exert influence over Harry, that he will never listen to P Charles.

Also, re MM's humanitarian trips to Africa and India. It was pointed out long ago that this was arranged by her PR firm. Companies and Non-Profits are always looking for "spokesmen" to publicize their business/cause. PR firms have lists of clients who are looking to raise their profile. I think MM ended up with World Vision, whatever it's called, it's a very Christian non-profit. A few years ago they got into trouble, something to do with gays. Not recognizing gay marriage of their employees? It was a big scandal and they quickly backtracked. They seem to have an okay reputation now.

Every a photo of one of the kids is featured in DM, most of the posters say, almost by reflex, "S/he looks just like the queen". George looks like a blond version of Mr. Middleton. Charlotte used to look just like Mrs. Middleton, but now she looks a lot like the Queen (or her dad). I don't see any Diana in any of these kids. And Louis doesn't seem to resemble anyone, even though he does look slightly like his older brother.

I love the "Who does the child look like" conversations. They're fascinating.

as I was saying...

What's the sussexes next stunt then?

Welp, the British press did a good job of burying any anniversary news today with an onslaught of royal family items. So petty and I love it.

r66 oh I do hope there isn't anything seriously amiss with the divine Princess Alexandras health.

R127 Oh I do hope so! I'm convinced Kate is not finished with being productive with her fertility!

The Daily Mail featured it, R 166

Kate dresses the kids like it's 1964.

I guess it beats black trainers and mini-hoodies.

I just learned in an article about Kate visiting Bletchley Park that her grandmother was a twin... so twins could very well be a possibility!

they have sufficient.

...Not saying that Kate should or shouldn’t have more kids one way or the other, but when I read that I just found it interesting. I don’t remember every hearing that anywhere else.

r170 I'm sure I read that there is some family history of twins in Diana's family too?

DL is really slipping when low hanging fruit like MM gets your heckles up. She's a Hollywood actress that's 'woke', had a lifestyle blog and is/was an activist. Of course she's going to be annoying! She attained the Holy Grail of starlets since Grace Kelly...she married a Prince. Her past notwithstanding, she made it work. Bi-racial, divorced AND older...the girl clawed, scraped, hustled, tripped and tucked enough flyaways behind her ear to cause sprain but she got the man (and the attached bank account and ultimate settlement). Some of the commentary towards MM is jealousy and/or racism, with nasty dog whistles but, again, low hanging fruit. Her legs are far too skinny to earn such vitriol but everyone wants to be Tantalus. Where's the pointless bitchery?

Now, the person we need to be digging into is Kate. How quickly we forget what grasping truly looks like. Waity Katie that skulked in the background for 10 years, without a job is going to be a future source of great gossip like her late MIL. Her goal is to be crowned Queen, her self-respect be damned. She and her SIL are both social climbers; may we never forget that KM wore Cath Kidston after the age of 30. She's a glorified chav but I hope both women forge an alliance at some point because they need to compare notes and hold out for the best pay-offs.

If she has twins, fingers crossed. If it's a Boy and girl they should be named Thomas and Diana.

That would be nice, twins to finish it off, I'd kind of like two girls.

I find it interesting that Prince Michael of Kent was 7th in line to the throne when he was born just like Archie Windsor but now he is 48th in line. That's how unimportant Archie and his parents will end up being in the scheme of things

R176 Yes I agree and twins are more prevalent in women in their 30's

which makes your obsession about them just a little sad, r177

Kate has more than proved her worth since marrying in. In fact, her stock has skyrocketed and she's on the verge of sainthood at her rate. Meghan's the trash that deserves a good airing out until the inevitable separation/divorce. And really, if you're going to talk low hanging fruit you can't get any lower than 'thick as two planks' Harry.

I believe that next up is the Trooping the Colour on 8 June. Meghan may be well able to drag her (by now) assiduously dieted body into a carriage and onto the balcony of Buck House. As the Cambridge brood, or at least the older ones, may also be present, do we think Meghan will be proudly holding up her own fruit?

With Archie born on 6 May, he will only be two months old in early July - they usually wait till the baby is three months old for the christening, at least, but by early August the Queen will be up at Balmoral and other royals will be on holiday as well. I wonder if they will have it in mid- or late July, or wait till September.

Do we think Meghan will be as intent on "privacy" for the christening as she was for the birth?

[quote]which makes your obsession about them just a little sad, [R177]

You come to a Royal Family Gossip thread to post messages like that?

Why don't you fuck off to another thread?

Just going back to the last thread and the article posted in the Telegraph, as someone else said complete and utter PR spin by MM and her team. The biggest clues were that courtiers had discussed MM and Harry being GG of Canada or Australia. This would never be discussed by anyone connected with the palace as they know both governments choose their own candidates who are accomplished citizens of their countries. Complete bullshit spun by a person who has no knowledge of the workings of the Commonwealth. If Meghan thought or had any private aspirations to go and live in Oz or Canada with Harry as GG, she is a bigger cunt than I thought and more delusional. Plus once again her obsession with Diana comes through the article, that they fear MM will be" bigger than Diana". Haha know one will ever be the new Diana and frankly no one it Britain wants that.

[quote] Having a title you inherited from your Dad entitles you to nothing legally - certainly not to play a part in government.

R81, you stupid shit. Have you ever heard of the House of Lords? They make laws. And they are most certainly a part of the government

Take your own advice and [quote] Do you often pronounce on subjects you know nothing about? You should stop that, really.

R184, there were quite a few tells in that article. Meghan PR all the way.

'The only explanation that makes sense to me is that Harry is, in fact, not signing off on any of this...and Markle doesn’t bother asking him to. I think the IG is all her & he’s stuck on a carousel he’d like to get off, but doesn’t know how. He can’t ask for help because he’s burned too many bridges that he’s too proud to rebuild & it would feel disloyal to the woman who (I am sure reminds him frequently) gave up everything for him. '

This is so funny. Harry has never looked happier, consistently, since he started dating Meghan. People seem to have forgotten how sullen and mulish he looked prior to her, as if he'd rather by anywhere else than on a public engagement.

Skippies like you really should just stick to Tumblr and the other 15 year old girls and over 60s.

from the Telegraph excerpt in the previous thread:

[quote]The fear of these people and of some of Harry's friends is that the couple will not happily remain for ever as the undercard of the princes' double act. "More and more friends are worried that they'll just get on a plane and live in LA and never come back,"

and this would be a problem why?

Rinse lather repeat will you R187? Do evolve your schtick if you wish to converse with the grownups.

I quite like the dress on the left, R28, although I agree it doesn't actually look much like Gabriella's

'Do you know what Markle’s job is? The one we’re paying her to do?

She supports her husband while he represents the Queen. That’s it. '

Nope. All the royals have the task of ensuring the family stays popular and interesting. If not, a Labour government will stop funding them as there is a huge number of younger Brits who think they are pointless. If MM can make the royals relevant again - and yes, Ig is a way to accomplish that - she will be infinitely more useful to them and they KNOW that.

Princess Michael has cankles

And she looked like shit at the wedding. Her clothes looked like some off the rack crap some old ladies at my work would wear

There is nothing like the hatred of a woman of color to unite everyone to support a white woman.

The choir was not American. They are British.

Princess Michael's outfit looked like it was polyester

At least she didn't make a fool out of herself like she did at her son's wedding

Why is it that the batshit crazy conspiracy theorists only question the legitimacy of black people?

Hmm.... I wonder why?

Never the Tronald Dumps of the world. Only the Obamas and the Meghans.

Quelle surprise.

Er, R185 dear....ever heard of the House of Lords reform? Wasn’t that long ago, you dumb cunt.

The members are elected now. It was considered unfair that anyone would be able to take a seat in government because of who their fathers were.

We no longer have an aristocracy...we have a DEMocracy. Go read a history book and stop wasting my time with your uneducated bleatings.

Exactly R188, but it seems Harry's new duty is the prop up William's family. He is not allowed to have dreams of his own. He exist solely for the purpose of serving the monarchy.

Don’t you think women of colour have personalities, R193?

How fucking racist you are. Piss off.

This picture is beautiful and appeals so much to younger Brits.

F and F the racist at R193.

You piss off you racist asshole.

So...all the print media have had to choose between Sussex & Cambridge front page pics for tomorrow.

Without exception, they’ve all gone Cambridge.

At the moment, Smegma and the dick she lives on are more interesting to the tabs than Will & Kate, but the Cambridge kids are the real stars.

r193 So Women of Colour are supposed to blindly follow other women of colour no matter what? They're supposed to blindly support a white passing biracial who has been socially white her entire adult life. Has only dated and married white men and only has white friends? The only non-white "friends" she has are more famous than her. What a nasty little racist misogynist you are.

193 Not me that considers a bit of melanin the only thing of interest about Markle. Do you even class her as a human being?

You’re a bigot & don’t belong here. Go away.

[quote]He exist solely for the purpose of serving the monarchy.

But that IS his job r198. No sarcasm - as long as he's on the public dole as a working royal, he exists to serve the monarchy and current monarch. Full stop.

If he and his wife want to 'explore' their own hopes and dreams, or brand themselves, they are perfectly free to do so. As PRIVATE citizens, and not working full time royals. When they are the latter, they are the employees of the monarch and yes, he/she can and will direct them as to how to present themselves publicly, what patronages to take on, etc. As all of our employers may do.

They can make a go of it as regular non-royals like David Linley, Sarah Chatto and her family, Zara and Mike Tindall and Ella Windsor who was just married yesterday to her financier bf. It's not difficult to figure out.

It is not so much hating Meghan as is the supporting of Kate simply because of Meghan hate. Meghan is a woman of color who leans embraced the culture of her white parent more then her parent of color. The same as Lisa Bonet, Lenny Kravitz, Rashida Jones, Paula Patton, Maya Rudolph, Nicole Ritchie, Vin Diesel and many others. Nobody calls them out for their choice to basically living as white folk.

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R206, you really think it is as simple as that? Quite frankly I believe the only reason Harry was allowed to marry Meghan is because he threaten to do just that. I do feel that his grandmother and brother has tired of his ultimatums and is slowly shutting them down.

The only royal news is Kate's garden at the Flower Show so there is no choice to be made. They featured Meg's anniversary video in Sunday's edition.

I think the older royals are delighted by the Sussex vs Cambridge Instagram war. These hoes have to keep relevant. Nobody younger than 50 gives a fuck about Charles.

You may be very right r209. Perhaps they wanted to give him (and by extension, Meghan) a chance to settle down and begin to fit in. So far, not so good, very mixed results.

Harry does not need to be a working royal if he wishes not to. He would still be a part of the personal family, just not a part of the "Firm" or institutional side. He and his family can then live where they choose, and do pretty much as they wish. No public purse monies though: no free clothes, jewels, trips, housing re-modeling allowances. No RPOs, and greatly lessened media coverage at least from the UK media and RRs.

We should all be wary of internet bods claiming to know stuff, but this is a gossip thread and passes the sniff test for me.

Someone posted this on the recent CDAN Markle blind....

[quote] I know one thing about MM, and that is that she is distancing Harry from many of his old support network - friends, family, advisors, staff. People whom she doesn’t think are good influences on him. The problem is that his relationships with these people go back a long way and Harry can be himself around these trusted allies. The word is that MM is doing a combination of both mothering and gaslighting him as she moulds him to be her plus one. These friends would never talk to the press but there is a lot of conversation going on in the background. I hope MM settles and relaxes into her role as the wife of a prince, Duchess of Sussex, a part of the firm rather than trying to make herself, Harry and Archie celebrities and lifestyle gurus in the way she aspired to achieve in the US. The BRF is a lot more accepting of change than people think, but having these ridiculous magazine stories and television programmes where her friends espouse how wonderful MM is do not do her any favours with Buck House or the British public. The unwritten rule for members of the BRF is “Never complain, never explain, something that MM has failed to grasp yet. You also do not make try to make yourself more important or newsworthy than the firm or other members, especially if you are not born into it, She can do more by not trying so hard and showing class and dignity in the style of Sophie, Countess of Wessex, or Kate, Duchess of Cambridge.. I can understand why a determined adult in her late thirties who has made her own rules wants to shake things up so the pieces lay in her favour, but it won’t work. She’s had some some leeway from those that matter while she settled in but patience is wearing thin.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

That sounds similar to how any family deals with a relative bringing a self-centered narc that cuts everyone away from them.

R213 Yep.

I like the “patience is running thin” bit.

Should be an interesting year.

R212, I do not really believe that. There is a continued narrative to somehow make Harry less culpable in this PR nightmare but painting him as this dimwitted, good ole bloke that was taken in by the divorced, American temptress. This hedging allows them to be there for Harry should the whole fiasco blow up. I call foul. I think Harry is in this whole mess up to his neck. He chose Meghan because of who she is. She supports a narrative that he is trying to tell. All of his old friends are Anglophiles who support the monarchy; I think he wants off the ride which means leaving old friends behind.

Have we discussed the official statement from BP that Meghan had no hand in the TV special (no approval of guests, nothing to do with any of it)?

That's very interesting to me because it's not often you see BP actively putting itself into an awkward position like that. And by 'awkward position' I mean the denial that Meghan played any role in the TV special. Does anyone, even the Stans, believe it? I don't think so. Her make-up artist, who has already hyped his connections to her and kissed her ass on social media? Gayle King, who stopped by to visit just a few days before the birth? Is there anyone one earth who thinks that TV special was 'unauthorized?' Lol, come on.

Which means BP is in a weird position here. And it makes me wonder WHO in BP put that notice out. The American publicist is now operating under the auspices of BP, is she not?

It's dangerous for BP to make obviously untrue or massaged statements like that. It makes them look culpable in misleading the public. This is precisely why "never complain, never explain" is their mantra.

Meghan has done nothing close to what Diana did when she had her televised 'there were three people in this marriage' interview and the Royals didn't cut her off. She was still allowed to live at Kensington Palace and the press continued to be obsessed with her. The same would happen to Meghan on a smaller scale if she divorced Harry.

R204 This. Exactly, and I'm speaking as a biracial person (East Asian/ White) myself. I'm left of center myself but unfortunately the politically-correct hard Left is very clumsy when it comes to race. They love to confer upon us a sort of hands-off/ criticism-free status as if we're only special and celebrated solely for our race (or half of it). This sort of thinking borders on dumbfuckery, these people are in fact similar to "racists" that they accuse others to be, they love baselessly labeling as racists those who dare to criticize non-White people.

Racism come from all sides now, I've experienced racism from non-White racial groups myself and so have many of my non-White friends. It's also true that someone who's biracial and passably White do experience racism differently than other POC. I just find it hilarious that some Meghan fans are only fans due to her being biracial. I think it's totally her choice to favorsa more White than Black appearance not to mention dated only White men. She has every right to do so, and I'm sure part of it has to do with personal preference and competing for roles as an actress; there just aren't as many opportunities for Black women or women of color. I think too the fact that she straightens her awesomely kinky hair and had obvious nose job are at odds with her ethnic empowerment/ embracing innate beauty credo. Pointing out the obvious isn't being racist, unless you also consider her choosing White appearance over more obvious Black appearance to be racist as well. Meghan fans also cannot see past deserved criticisms related to social climbing and extravagance. Last time I checked, being a fake social climber isn't racially-tinged as far as criticisms go.

My take on Harry is that he IS the dimwit everyone says he is, and that he did just fall totally head over heels for Meghan and her Basic Bitch Wares. I guess for me, though, this doesn't make him any less culpable in any of the fuckery. Dumb or not, he's a 30-something year old man, AND he's grown up in the bubble his wife now finds herself in. I actually think he's letting her down as much as he's letting himself down simply by allowing her to continue acting the way she is. I've seen this with friends who fall in love like that - their loved one simply cannot do anything wrong. Not only can they do no wrong, but everything they do is actually the best, most intelligent and wonderful thing that has ever been done.

He's damaging her by letting her pull this shit over and over. You can feel the family waiting for him to be the one to tell her how it is (gently, ofc), but he won't do it. In fact he seems all wrapped up in a petulant kind of "no! not doing it! Meghan gets what Meghan wants! nyah!" attitude which won't end up being helpful to either of them, imo.

Au contraire r217, Diana's interview with Bashir (that was the one where she made the "three of us in the marriage" statement - correct-?) was the the straw that broke the camel's back for BP and QEII. It was after that broadcast that she privately wrote to Charles and Diana and "told" them (read: ordered them) to finally divorce. There was a bridge too far and Diana crossed it, that was it and it was over.

Of course they weren't going to push her out of KP - she was raising the two princes including the next heir. They allowed her to stay there, gave her a decent settlement. She'd been in the BRF for 14 years at that point, and remember was known to them via her Spencer family ties for even longer. She was still wildly popular and willing to work - Diana NEVER shirked her public duties and work, always showed up and did her part very well.

There are many differences between that situation and the current one but should H & M part anytime soon, the BRF will certainly continue to fund her and allow her to live at Frog Cott for as long as she wished. They don't "throw" exes out - heck even Mark Philips continued to live on Gatcombe Estate after his bitter split from Anne, Tony Snowdon was still welcomed by the family and hired as a private photog for years. Its how they operate - keep the exes close if possible, keep an eye on them. Meghan continuing to garner some media interest wouldn't be an issue as long as she did so as a private citizen, and not a WORKING royal - which she would cease to be in a split.

R215. You may be right...or both may be true.

That comment (assuming it’s genuine, which is a big assumption of course) is clearly talking about how Harry’s friends and staff see things from the outside - that she’s gaslighting, mothering and moulding him.

And she may well be - but he could be totally complicit and up for it all, which isn’t something the friends are able (or willing) to see.

So I don’t think your POV & that comment are mutually exclusive.

Personally, I think Markle is exceptionally controlling, but Harry wants that. At the moment. I’m not sure if he always will - especially when his personal popularity goes into free fall , which I think it will.

Also too r217: Diana didn't live long enough after the formal divorce (only a year) for us to really SEE how her life would have turned out. We simply don't and can't know. Maybe she would have been successful as a ex-Royal, maybe she would have been more like Fergie. Hard to say.

Fergie and her post-divorce journey is a cautionary tale for MM. Not saying they are alike - IMO Meghan is much smarter and savvier than poor hapless Sarah - but it shows what a very tough row it is to hoe when you're an ex-member of the BRF. Esp a female ex-member, the men have tended to fare a bit better there.

The FrogCot offer is proof, I think, that the BRF doesn't expect the marriage to work out. They don't want another ex-wife hanging around KP as Diana did. They'll let Meghan stay in the burbs forever if she likes, but there's no way she would make that her permanent address post-divorce. We're not even sure she's living there NOW.

The point is r223 is a lovely estate house on the grounds of Windsor Great Park. It's roomy, with lots of green space and gardens for her kids to play and run around. Also right down the road from Windsor Castle, where the Queen is much of the time and where King Charles will also spend much time. It's a good setup, and its free - she'd be crazy to think she'd do better elsewhere, on her own dime.

It truly is the perfect place to 'park' and ex with young children, which is precisely why I believe BP and the courtiers made up the plan to move them there. A 'just in case' thing.

The Matt guy has a bangin bod.

Is that like chatting up someone on American Idol?

Bit cringey, no? ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE WAS LIVING WITH THE CHEF AND ALL.

The Cambridges are bringing the PR, amazing snaps.

Cannot wait until the Queen visits the garden with Catherine.

R220, the BRF definitely won't throw MM out, but try telling that to the majority on this board, who think she will be exiled to Africa or LA If there is a split.

[quote]It truly is the perfect place to 'park' and ex with young children, which is precisely why I believe BP and the courtiers made up the plan to move them there. A 'just in case' thing.

I agree. But I think that if there is a split, Diana will have herself, Master Archie, and any other kids on a plane back to LA tout suite.

Hee--not Diana, MEGHAN. Wouldn't she love that slip up?

The photo drop today, from the Cambridges was EXCELLENT timing, just great. Not to close on the heels of Ella's nuptials, just in time to co-incide with the big anniversary posts. The photos were fantastic, those kids are so photogenic. Good job from KP, they are learning how to play this game well.

[quote]Diana's interview with Bashir (that was the one where she made the "three of us in the marriage" statement - correct-?)

IIRC, it was Diana's comment that she didn't believe Charles was capable of adapting to the restrictions of the monarch's role (i.e. that he wasn't fit to be king). By the point in their marriage that the interview took place, everybody knew about Camilla. (the Bashir interview was post-tampongate)

The BRF won't be able to exile Meghan anywhere if there is a split. They will offer her the lovely home at Frogmore for as long as she likes. But anybody with half a brain knows that Meghan won't stay in the UK as a divorcee. She'll go back to America, the only country she really cares about, and she'll take the kids with her. Since the kids aren't dynastically important, the BRF will let her.

'But I think that if there is a split, Diana will have herself, Master Archie, and any other kids on a plane back to LA tout suite. '

Freudian slip. I wouldn't be so sure that she would hop off to LA , where she'll have to fund her own accommodation. I don't see them splitting, though. If they had struggled to have children, arguments and frustration might have split them, but they'll have another child and will settle to raising them now.

I really do hope that Meghan and Harry settle in, raise their kids, and manage to define a workable role for themselves with the BRF. I rooted for Meghan with the engagement first happened, as I thought she was exactly the kind of modernizing influence the BRF needs--not to mention a welcome source of genetic diversity for that inbred bloodline. But her behavior in the past year, especially the OTT baby shower, hasn't impressed me. I'd like to think she's just finding her feet and will make things work as a Royal, but I'm not at all certain of it.

r226 she won't be exiled, unless there's some kind of major, catastrophic event or behavior from her that would warrant it (like supporting the Nazis all Edward and Wallis - not very likely). She'll be allowed to stay in comfort in the UK, after all she has Harry's son to raise.

She may want to move to LA, and can do so of course - but can only have the child/ren with her part time - they are also Harry's remember. Pretty hard to share children over 1000s of miles. There will be a ton of pressure for her to remain primarily in the UK until the youngest child turns 18. It won't look good for her humanitarian, feminist "brand" to look like an abandoning mother. She'll spend majority time in the UK - unless of course she gives Harry primary custody of Archie, which is possible I guess.

Where do we think Harry would live if she got Frog Cott?

r231 not so fast - they are dynastically important but they are personally important, to Harry, Charles, the Queen and all. She'll get her shared custody but if she wants to de-camp to LA it will be solo with the children visiting. They will be educated in the land of their birth, the UK, where their father is likely to be based.

If Harry also wants to move to SoCal then of course, the child/ren will be there full time.

r235 I'd bet buttons he'd be given a nice mid-size apartment back at KP or at St. James :) How would you like them apples?

Maybe back to the bachelor quarters in KP? Or if he has children and is sharing them, perhaps he'd get Diana's old KP apartment, No. 8 and 9. I think it's just being used as offices right now.

There is hope r233.

Thanks to whoever posted the picture of "Zannah" in the last thread. Her dress is a dream, designed by Zandra Rhodes. The scene looked so posh, I had an aching pang of wanting to be there, drinking champagne with the swells!

The Cambridge children are the future of the BRF.

Me-Gain has been a source of chaos, negativity and possibly baseless rumors. Imagine if the Rose rumor is untrue? It came right after the salad tossing vid rumor though, no? Narcs do like to deflect.

'The Cambridge children are the future of the BRF. '

No, according to your own logic (you slag off Harry every chance you get) only George is the future. The other two are spares, to be pitied. Keep consistent, troll.

I suspect that the reason the Sussex duo didn't get the big KP apartment was because the RF knew that when Sparkle and Dim split, they would be stuck with Sparkle at KP forever.

Letting them use Frogmore Cottage as their only residence simplifies things. If the Sussex duo split, Sparkle can stay at FC permanently and Harry can go elsewhere.

FC is much, much less desirable than KP.

Makes perfect sense, R242

Divorced Meghan will stay at Frogmore for the exact amount of time it takes her to catch the nearest billionaire who will have her.

She might not even be there now, R224.

When do we predict spawn #2 will arrive? 2020? Might delay the exile to Africa, no?

R245 I say very soon. Like, Irish twins.

Meghan should pop out baby #2 ASAP. After 40, it gets a lot more difficult and dangerous. Women's fertility is often higher right after giving birth, so she if she's smart she'll take advantage of that.

All the cunts accusing people of being racists because Meghan has a "black mother" are racists themselves and "obsessed" with the fact.

Most people who don't like Meghan don't give a shit that she has that beautiful, dignified "black mother".

Agree, R246, esp since it will be harder to ship her off when expecting. Zika, etc.

The BRF had a happy weekend as a family and for PR purposes. But she still has the potential to do a lot of harm. They need to close the circle on the containment plan ASAP.

I don't think a billionaire is going to want someone that's made a reputation for leaking left/right. Those people appreciate discretion over anything. Also they have their pick of hot young things of any type.

I don't see how an aging former duchess unlikely to have more kids + that wins them no points with the BRF is a win

Ironically, it is those who shout RACIST in response to Markle critiques, that come off as racist.

It is irrelevant that she is white/brown/black/yellow/red/purple....etc.

It is her continual grotesque behaviour - personally, socially, culturally and financially - that appears to turn many against her.

It IS NOT about the color of her skin, but the nuances and impact of her action(s).

Even Ms. Markles' body language screams volumes for those who are perceptive.

If MM continues down the path she is on, it is predicted History will not treat her kindly.

HE should tell her not to post videos like that. He's the one at fault. But she clearly dominates him. Nothing unusual about that.

Around the time of the infamous “How dare you snigger at my tarty girlfriend” statement, a complaint was made to IPSO that said “Ms Markle has no intention of speaking to the media about her relationship”.

Six months later she’s on the cover of Vanity Fair talking about her relationship in a double page spread.

In it she says...”I don’t want to be defined by my relationship”.

A year later she’s gleefully snatching up any title she can get and is unable to walk more than a couple of feet without holding hands with her prince.

How can anyone take anything this bint says seriously?

Someone on Lipstick Alley just referred to George as G-Money and I'm not going to call him anything else from now on. Those bitches are fucking hilarious, btw. Those who mourn the loss of humour here (which I don't see but whatevs) may want to start lurking their Megs and H thread.

Oh, yes. There was also this comment on the anniversary ig video: "what in the Windows Movie Maker amateur wedding planner ad"

Funniest shit I've read for weeks. I'd join but I don't know if they allow white fraus.

Most people had no idea Meghan was biracial because she looks like a tanned white girl .

So Monday we will have photos of the Queen visiting the garden with Catherine. Tuesday, Louis turns 1. Seems like the Cambridge PR roll out is doing just fine. Lovely family, adorable children frolicking in nature. William and Catherine seem like loving, connected parents.

Talk of Me-Gain and Dim on the throne means every one of that family would have to DIE, even tiny children. Sick and also, well, treasonous. They just have to stay the course and they have already one. She can huff and puff and try to bootstrap herself higher but silly MeMe, game is already over for her. It could have all been so different.

Hope Archie is able to know his cousins as he grows, they may be a bit of a refuge from his chaotic and dramatic home life.

already won

not illiterate, autocorrect

R253 - plus the contrast between yes I’ll take a title when I marry in (and use it incessantly to refer to myself) but decline for my son (but maybe be okay with it when Charles is king and he’s a HRH?? Hahh)

And much of that seems to be self tanner, R255. Remember the streaks on her hands and arms after she got the henna?

Ahead, we have only the hair reveal re: Archie, possible spawn 2.0 and the divorce, then, bye, Felicia! She will barely merit a footnote in the history books. She will go right back to her grasping, tawdry, Soho based life.

Love Pippa's pink lace dress at the reception. She looks very Lee Radziwill, in a good way.

Appreciate the spot on adjectives used to describe Markle: •grotesque •grasping • grifting • tawdry • Soho whore

Quite apt.

And yes, Markle has "tells" in her body language as someone pointed out above. Her acting is so poor, that her body reflects her genuine intentions (which, unfortunately are not authentic but pathological),

Sad really. She had the opportunity to have the World at her feet. Instead, it's like she's trampling on it in a twisted manner to assuage her ego. Time (or history) will expose her and she'll likely be perceived for the cruel human she is.

I just think she will not matter much, at all, R261.

What matters now and in the future is the Cambridge family, no way around that basic fact. Kate is receiving honors from the Queen and will make yet another appearance with her tomorrow.

No one can look at the photos of those adorable kids and wish them ill, unless severely troubled or paid astroturfers. Talk of the Trifiling Two ascending will subside. And we have the first birthday of the little prince this week as well.

I hope Archie will be well integrated into the family but fear that is only likely with Me-Gain in the States. Mia, Savannah and the rest seem quite fun.

Meghan is her worst enemy. Trouble is, narcissists like herself are so virulently toxic to be around that for one's mental health alone you have to keep your distance from them. It is all by her own hand she will never have "the family she never had." She will be tolerated at public events but otherwise, they will want nothing to do with her.

R254 they don't mind if you join the conversation, just keep away from race comments, dont think about bringing up your pigmentation, whatever you do don't go getting all woke and talking about your black friends or they will drag you through the mud and blackberry patch to hell and back. I love the wit of the women on that board, and they talk about stuff nobody else does any more.

On the DM, the contrast between the family at the garden - the future, evidence of William choosing well, etc, -- is juxtaposed with that inspid video, by the famewhore, destabilizing, taxpayer mooch. Who cares, over now, in all but the details.

MM imagines herself so clever in that insipid stylized editing of that IG anniversary video she doesn't realize it comes off as irrelevant like an old reel of film. In the meantime, the Cambridges cavorting in the garden is photos full of light, color, LIFE. Rather than some dim colorless footage of the past, theirs is a message of a happy present and bright future full of promise.

Exactly, R267. Whilst being photographed, the family comes across as loving, natural, engaged with one another, caring to create something lovely for British citizens to enjoy. Those images are powerful on many levels. I think that the Queen will be delighted with the garden, as will British children lucky enough to visit.

William DID choose well. The images of the Middleton family, out in force, at the RF wedding yesterday, were also telling. The one who was not, was not missed.

All the drama around the new child was so counterproductive. People like that are simply EXHAUSTING. They think each new bit will hold your attention, but everyone just avoids them.

Harry seems happier without her and to not be a super engaged new dad. He has been making more appearances with family members of late.

I have renewed faith in the sinister seeming Lord Doom.

What is that saying, a picture is worth a thousand words? Photos of the lovely, secure, thriving young BRF are all that matter and even the outlets who most ardently promote Me-Gain are running them up top. The details about the children gathering stones and moss and rocks from Amer Hall for the exhibition and wanting to see what Mummy had been working on were quite sweet.

The photos tomorrow and Tuesday should be a treat as well. Well done to all who had a hand in this roll out.

R174, that's all true enough, though Kate's payoff has already been paid out: she'll be Queen consort, mother of the next king. All she has to do now is enjoy it.

R187, both can be true--that MM is leading the charge and that Harry looks happier than ever. I assume he started looking happier because all his cohort had been settling down and he had finally found someone willing to settle down with him. I'm sure he's in love, but I'm also pretty sure Megs knows how to manipulate him.

The idea that Kate needs Me-Gain for anything, ever, is laughable. Megsy is increasingly isolated and the clock is running until her departure date. They lives and trajectories are in no way comparable, it is like apples to SUVs. The more she acts out, like at the Investiture, or with her purported new friends in US entertainment, the more her irrelevance will grow. Catherine will be Queen Consort and the mother of a king. That has nothing whatsoever to do with an aging suitcase girl who acts out like a troubled tween.

Amazing that people still respond to the Harry Styles/spazz/Skippies troll, thought he was pretty much blocked by all. Obvious astroturfer, look at his posting history. He tries to steer the convo and either drive people off threads or mute particular lines of discussion with classic tactics.

If MeMe was the source of the Rose rumor, to deflect from her attempts to socially climb by salad tossing becoming known, and suppose the rumor was completely false, what do you think the consequence will be? The Out of Africa sojourn seems insufficient.

I will admit I had absolutely no interest in the BRF until Meghan married Harry. I will also admit that I root for her primarily because she is a social climbing, gauche, woman of color who is tripping and stumbling in her attempt to do things her way. In fact she gets extra points for not trying to fit in.

Astroturfing, for anyone unfamiliar with the concept.

Social media team jobs are very common. They do not pay all that well. They use standard tactics to advance agendas. Datalounge, like anything else these days, comes up in Google alerts, so of course it is monitored. Quaker Oats has social media managers, to suggest that Sunshine Sachs does not is hilarious. One shill/troll used to proudly reference his Tumblr blog but would never share the name, alas. He does like to tell others to go to Tumblr though, lots of tells.

After the way this year has gone, hardly anyone is interested in Rachel. Sad, but it is what it is. Mostly now, people just want her to go away, especially those paying her bills. We shall see if she settles down but with all the puffery by Gayle and the birth detail nonsense, not to mention that video, think we are going to close this chapter sooner than later. Will there be a second anniversary? Probably, but I would not bet on a third.

Maybe Deal or No Deal would have her back? Putting the t in tawdry. Wonder if details of her escapades at Soho Houses around the globe will ever become known? Wonder where she blew Inskip? Harry should have listened to his friends and his brother. Well, they say a fool and his money are soon parted.

I'd put money on Spenderella voluntarily ditching Archie to move back to the USA in order to hunt down a billionaire then bitching and moaning that she was 'forced' to abandon Archie by the BRF. Woe is me etc etc.

She ‘s being a Sohogirl for ages R274 . That’s how Inskip knew her . Soho is the hunting ground for rich people and celebs . She is a whore just plain and simple our Spenderella !

R212, this has also been my view of the situation, in terms of how she's been handling him behind the scenes. I wonder if the new babe will make him want to re-associate himself with childhood habits and friends and resist the MM makeover.

Well well, even across the pond the interest is waning from over exposure. The treacly Meghan lovefest by Gayle King lost 3 million viewers in that CBS time slot, and more importantly failed to capture the key 18-49 demographic. She should have used the break to give the public a breather instead of using that ridiculous IG account to desperately cling to public consciousness; and frankly the public is getting downright sick of her.

I'm normally sceptical of royal endeavors to do good, but Kate's contribution to the garden show is my kind of thing. If those PR pictures inspire parents to get their kids outside barefoot in the muck, I'm all for it.

There was a blind about MM hunting for houses with the help of RF and Harry in LA. If true that’s where she will end up staying post divorce.

One thing I wonder about is how MM can tolerate Harry without screaming. He doesn't give the impression he reads or even thinks much. His aristo background encompasses hunting and Hooray Henry antics, in addition to his army career. He is not interested in liberal politics, spirituality, New Age philosophy. Considering how long his friendships have endured, I'd say he's entrenched in his mode of thinking and habits. His character on The Windsors seems likely to be very accurate.

R250, that's assuming she has leaked. And billionaires can marry and still have the pick of hot young things--they needn't marry them. I think only the tacky billionaires do so? Megs would be a catch the same way Jackie O was a catch. And don't underestimate Meg's ability to work herself into the affections of an egotistical old rich guy.

The racism thing is tricky. Y'all are right that the snark at MM's expense writes itself and needn't have anything to do with her being bi-racial. But a look at the DM's comments will show you that there is plenty of criticism of her that is racially motivated. Racism exists and will manifest itself.

R141, that rope ball swing is trashy as hell. Charlotte and Kate posing on it reminds me of Miley Cyrus in her Wrecking Ball video.

'Striking eye colour on Charlotte, too, that very dark green-brown, like her mother.'

Fixed that for you, R153.

Charlotte looks like a cross between Kate and the Queen. Nothing like Diana.

'Welp, the British press did a good job of burying any anniversary news today with an onslaught of royal family items. So petty and I love it.'

Will the Welp Troll please fuck off? You sound about 13 when you use that word, and are immediately identifiable as the demented Harry Styles hater from all the 1d threads.

The Welp Troll at R274 is bringing ALL the tinhat phrases she used on the 10k threads where she argued that Harry Styles and his bandmate Louis were secretly married. Astroturfing, gaslighting, paid shills, paid to post, frequent use of 'not sure', 'welp', 'meh'.

F and F this crazed conspiracy theorist.

[quote]Charlotte looks like a cross between Kate and the Queen. Nothing like Diana.

Oh, good - we're back to this.

Someone upthread recommended blocking you R284 - R287. You do show up at the same time every day, post a bunch of accusations of trollery (ironic) and William/Kate/the Kids being fug, and then fuck off. So i think I'll do just that. Part of me hopes you ARE getting paid for your services, because if you're not you got a weird way of getting your kicks.

R289, you are the Welp Troll and you've said that you're going to block me for about five years. Sadly, you never do.

To whomever said that Yoko would be a catch just like Jackie O? You're kidding, right? To even compare the two is sublimely ridiculous.

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If enough posters FF and block the nasty trolls then they (the stinky thread spoiling trolls) lose their posting rights for a day or so.

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I'll bite. Since it's all on view for public scrutiny, has she had breast reduction surgery? Or has she lost weight overall?

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I see a sartorial pattern developing here for Bea. A lacy, ephemeral, bad girl bondage fairy.

That guy with Bea is gorgeous. Love his dark green velvet jacket. He's been taking sartorial tuition from the dashing Edward Enninful and Alessandro Michele.

For those expecting MM to hang around ala Fergie post a hypothetical divorce, keep in mind it depends on her British citizenship status. She can't get permanent residency unless she remains married to Harry for 5 years. Less than that, and she'll have no choice but to head back to LA unless she can convince another British man to marry her immediately.

Regarding Digital Spy - CTs are given short shrift on that board. In 2016 someone started a thread called Larries and Other Tinhats and it still updates several times a day. The main topic on there at the moment is the Skippies/Megziteers.

Bea's dress is another Self Portrait one. She probably gets them for free.

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Gabriella has such narrow, tiny eyes.

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Just when you think Bea's taste and appearance couldn't get any worse..

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Bea wants us all to know she's getting the D from her hot man day and night. He's way too attractive for her so is probably a famewhore.

Leaving aside EM Mozza's other options and responsibilities why on earth is he with Beatrice York? He is a hot, young, aristocratic Italian millionaire and Bea is a plain, unaccomplished, unstylish 30+ woman with notorious parents.

R309, he is a stunning man.

R310, he's a millionaire? The posters here are comparing him to MM which made me think he was poor.

Gabriella's reception dress just looks like another wedding dress. What is the point of that?

Kate's nature garden at the Chelsea Flower Show looks much better than what was described in text. It turned out lovely. The Cambridge kids are adorable, especially dangling their feet over the water. Louis is walking now.

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typo: Nature Garden.

That little Louis is adorable. I think he'll grow up to be a handsome man.

Edo M

Bea's man Edo Mozzi is a 34 yr old property multi millionaire with a toddler son called Wolfie from a previous marriage.

Maybe he just got sick and tired of his beautiful, intelligent, talented ex, and wanted to get down with a plump, bug-eyed Royal.

The Royals side eyeing these threads.

R317 I thought Louis looked really odd in the first pictures. But now after looking at photos of Kate's ancestors, I think he'll end up looking like her brother or the male ancestor in the photo at the top of the article. He's standing camera far right behind the girl w/ the bow.

Louis will grow up to be the best looking of the three. He'll live a playboy life of leisure. Although Charlotte might have the last laugh when she hasn't lost half her hair by 25.

Diana had beautiful thick hair which she would have passed down to a daughter. I wonder why she always kept it short?

Sophie Winkelman looks super trashy in that photo at r308. Wow.

R324-I remember Diana tried growing it longer and when she debuted the new style, the public howled. She promptly cut it short again.

I'm glad Diana kept her hair short. It made it easier to see her beautiful face.

Whoops, Sussex Royal's video of their wedding from yesterday has nearly 5.8m views but the Cambridges of the garden only has 1.1m!

Doesn't matter, R328. That's the neat thing about a hereditary monarchy. It's not a popularity contest. The person with the most likes doesn't get the crown.

Maybe THAT'S the part they forgot to tell the Muggle about, R329 - that it's not a popularity contest, because clearly she thinks it is.

R329, but what a blow to William and Kate, knowing Harry and Meghan are over four times as popular as they are, especially with the under 40s, who are more likely to have IG accounts.

Agree R327. Short hair really suited Diana.

Why does it necessarily have to be a blow to William and Kate, R331? You're assuming they place as much importance on all that bullshit just because the dumpy Duchess does? That's a mistake. My uneducated guess is they don't give five fux.

We can rely on the tabloids to pick up on the popularity of Sussex Royal, and trumpet it to the world. This is going to be the War of the Roses all over again.

OMFG, that paragraph wasn't very well-written. Apologies for that. Hopefully the point will make itself known.

I'm amazed the Sussexes were allowed their own IG. Rivalry between specific family branches has always been discouraged, least it lead to civil war again. The press WILL report on the Battle of the Grams.

WERE the Sussexes allowed their own Instagram?

Or did they just set one up without clearing it with anyone?

Their IG went up the same week they were “denied” their own court.

R337, they've set up court at Windsor, another separatist move. You don't have rival courts operating in the same palace, dear. Always different locations.

Love Kate’s garden. Nice to see the end result of a long-term team effort that provides a real service for families and has meaningful effects on mental health.

How much spade work did Kate do on 'her' garden? Precious little.

R331 Dumb and dumber are popular...on IG. So what? Popularity amongst foreign teenagers is meaningless. Kim Kartrashian has over 140m followers & everyone with more than a handful of brain cells detests her.

In the real world, Markle is significantly less liked than William & Kate, and Harry’s numbers are falling. Getting married and having a baby are the two times royals can hope for really good numbers - and they didn’t materialise for Markle.

Know why? Because she’s not popular, no matter how desperately you try to pretend she is.

R341, Instagram is a globally acknowledged marker for popularity whether you like it or not. People have whole careers based on likes. If the KR Instagram was getting five times as many views, you would be here yelling about it.

R331-Given that the latest polls place William and Catherine as considerably more popular than H&M, I doubt it's a blow at all. William is at present even more popular than the Queen.

R342, you're not getting it.

[quote] a long-term team that provides a real service for families and has meaningful effects on mental health.

R339 I think the flower show gardens are dismantled after the show is over. That's not exactly long-term. Kate worked on it for a couple months if that's what you mean but I think she's done that with other projects. The charities funded by the both the Cambridges and the Sussexes provide the most long term help. They're the real service providers.

So I made the mistake of going on cb. Nothing else to say other than criticising her clothes.

Plus Sussex video records views and there were several views solely to mock by people who didn’t then “like” the post.

Have to admit I wasn't sold on the lace shirt tucked into the khaki capris. It looked half-assed. I liked the top, but not with the funky pants.

[quote] Instagram is a globally acknowledged marker for popularity whether you like it or not.

No, it isn’t. It’s a marker of interest, not popularity.

R324, some women just look better with short hair. In the Rue McClanahan thread yesterday I remarked that she never had long hair. Marilyn Monroe, Halle Berry also come to mind.

We are told that men prefer long flowing hair, but.

R16 Lady Chatto's sweaters are kind of odd but I love when she wears a hat like she's wearing here. It is far more flattering than an ugly fascinator like many of the women wear. Her skirt is nice too.

Lady Rose Gilman is one of the many examples of women at the wedding who wore hats that were colors that didn't look good with their dresses. (Gilman: red what with an aqua with green flowers).

R22 The first photo you posted of the woman in teal does appear to Princess Alexandra. The woman in blue at the right is the groom's mother.

R30 The spirituals were sung at the wedding, dope.

R32 No. Kate just cut up and made side=eyes w/ Camilla during the black miniter's speech at H&M's wedding. Very immature and bad form.

[quote] Not half as immature (and bad form) as using a pulpit to try and become Mr Personality. That all he got was a few side eyes shows how polite we Brits actually are.

The pope himself would have laughed at that dog and pony show, R354.

That was meant to be a response, not a quote.

R347, her post of Archie's feet also has more than twice as many likes as the most popular picture of Charlotte. The global appeal of M and H is much broader. Their account has gained another 200k followers just in the last few days and will soon overtake KR.

R132 This is one of MM's best looks --- hair,makeup with red lipstick and the beautiful red dress. So what if she inquired about the X-factor guy?. He followed her and she liked his performance on the show, She was single.

R143 I noticed too. Edo always found the camera.

R359, she looks very pretty there.

Edo is a great catch for frumpy bug eyed Beatrice.

Man oh man, the fucking Yoko lovers have thick, empty heads. They're convinced it's a popularity contest, and that the fat cow and her handbag are WINNING because they're more POPULAR. These same remedials also drive, vote and breed, mind you.

R148 Google him for interviews. Here's his Instagram. There's a link to his business website. I like his kitchen designs.

R360, in the later reception photos, Edo seems to be making an effort to avoid eye contact with the camera. Maybe he reads the comments.

I love Edo, praying he marries in. He'll be a great addition to the supporting cast of this nighttime soap.

I agree r339 Kates efforts have paid off the garden is absolutely beautiful

A garden...so very English, innit?

Cheers r352 My fear was Princess Alexandra was too ill or frail too attend but my fears thankfully seem to have been misplaced.

R161 Christianity doesn't seem to be mentioned on their website, even in their mission statement page called Our Work. See below. Many non-profits are religion-based. So what?

R365, what 'efforts'? She probably attended one planning meeting. You act as if she landscaped and planted the entire thing herself. Dug out the pool and stream, fixed the Wrecking Ball.

R359 A few months before she met Harry, she was not single. She was living with Cory.

R81 - You're quite clearly foreign. An aristocracy is a class of citizens, and btw, whilst some seats in the HoL are inherited peerages, most of them nowadays are not and cannot be passed on. The HoL does not "make" laws. The HoL, the Upper Chamber, gets to review laws but they all originate in the House of Commons; the HoL gets to review bills, can send bills back to the HoC requesting changes, and by doing so delay bills, but it gets limited opportunities to do so. Bill originate in the HoC, with the input of the HoL. But bills do not originate in the HoL.

The hereditary peerage system is what is meany by the aristocracy and it has nothing to do with any entitlement to make laws. A nation is not an "aristocracy" - where you picked that phrase up, I don't know. Great Britain is a representative democracy as its legal government; it also has a consitutional monarchy that functions as its Head of State with certain constitutional duties and privileges. The Sovereign has the constitutional right to be consulted, to advise, and to warn.

The hereditary peerage system exists socially and culturally, socially, and legally. Titles get passed from fathers to sons. You can pretend on whatever planet you are living on that there is no such things as an aristocracy in Britain - I'll be sure to let His Grace the Duke of Northumerland know that.

Great Britain is a representative democracy that retains its constitutional monarchy and below the level of royalty sits the hereditary peerage system - the aristocracy. We call it Ye Olde "class system".

Hence LADY Diana Spender, daughter of the 8th EARL Spencer.

Do open a book.

'They're convinced it's a popularity contest, and that the fat cow and her handbag are WINNING because they're more POPULAR..'

Jesus, what kind of reptile calls a pregnant woman fat?

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R371: Lady Diana SpenDer

You said it, luv.

I am British, R371. And, unlike you, I have an education.

Note the suffix -cracy. You’ll note it in other words too...like DEMOcracy, THEOcracy. The -cracy denotes a form of government.

In an aristocracy, the governing power is held by noblemen. Those noblemen were known as aristocrats.

The UK is not an aristocracy anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time. There can therefore be no aristocrats.

Do you seriously not understand what “peerage” means? It’s a legal system, fool.

His Grace, The Duke of Northumberland, has no legal right to a place in government. When the UK was an aristocracy, he would have done.

Google before you post, you pig ignorant twat.

Oh dear, love Kate but - too thin, darling. Five pounds, please!

[quote] below the level of royalty sits the hereditary peerage system

Not any more.

Is Saudi still governed by aristocrats? They do seem to have a lot of power over there.

You're adorable, R372! The same kind of reptile who broadcasts to the world that HER husband is the rightful king!

R368

Regarding World Vision (from it’s Wiki page)

[quote] On March 24, 2014, the United States branch of World Vision announced that it would no longer ban employees from being in same-sex marriages.[42] Facing protests from donors and the larger evangelical community after the announcement, World Vision reversed the policy change two days later.[43][44

Seems strange that someone as woke as Markle would want to be associated with bigots. But, hey, they flew her to Rwanda so she could pose for fashion shots with poor black children, so it’s all good.

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It's hard to understand what Kate's saying because her jaws seem clenched or something, and I say that as somebody who likes Kate. Thank goodness for subtitles. Louis is just too cute. The little part in his hair...he's got it goin' on!

One thing that William has done recently is brilliant ---his football initiative that uses football players (soccer players to US) to talk about depression and anxiety. Here is an ad.

I like seeing William being a hands-on dad. He's sexy.

I'm looking for a clip I saw where the football players are talking with William about their depression.They are sitting in that caged locker room setting. I don't even know who these guys are but each one was so genuine andI felt such empathy, especially to the guy who blew an important goal and lost the world title.

Below is William talking about Diana's death. It really humanizes him.

R375 - Before I block you, you are a complete moron and if you're British, I'll eat your passport with salt and vinegar wrapped in newspaper. Britain never WAS an aristocracy. "Aristocracy" is not a form of government despite containing the letters CRACY. It was first governed by an absolute monarchy and then evolved into a parliamentary democracy that has retained its monarchy and its hereditary peerage system.. Aristocracy refers to social class of citizens with certain aspects embedded in law - such as the passing on of inherited titles from father to son but for the most part, not father to daughter. An aristocratic class remains in Britain.

Aristocracy is not now and never was a form of government here or anywhere else.

A nation isn't an aristocracy despite happening to have CRACY as their overall label.

And you're blocked.

And while a bill may be crafted in the HoL, it has to gain the backing of an MP before it can become law through the HoC. The HoL itself cannot make laws and pass them. Only the HoC nas pass laws.

A short video of the kids enjoying Kate's garden. Louis is the star of the show!

Kate in her garden with some schoolchildren. I think she'll be changing into another outfit when the Queen visits.

A longer video of the Cambridge kids in Kate's garden.

Lottie has big cheeks.

Louis has the same cheeks as Lottie.

George and Louis resemble each other. Is Louis wearing George's clothes?

The party continues...photos of Ella's evening reception.

R388 LOL you are right, there is no way R375 is British, they are obviously an American megastan who can't even google properly. BTW there is aristocracy in just about every European country plus quite a few royal families so I suggest get out of your basement and go to the library and learn to read.

The Queen with her cousin and friend, Margaret Rhodes. Sadly, this lady died recently.

The Queen receiving a bow and hand kiss from Felipe of Spain (now the King of Spain).

Bea is still babysitting her mother Fergie.

I'm picturing them wearing each other's outfits. Fergie would be seam bustingly game.

Rolling for Windsor-Hashemite wedding in this new generation - only way to bring back the British Monarchy

Will is getting his sexy back. In that video he's projecting King Alpha Dick William. It's interesting how the brothers keep switching back and forth on who's more attractive. Harry is definitely in decline.

R373 Wow...you can really see how long Kate's torso is in that photo....and her short legs. She should never wear flats and wide legged trousers again. The press and tabloids, dm in particular, really photoshop her in some photos, you can tell. No wonder she's always in heels despite being tall. You can be tall and have short legs or short and have long legs.

R396

“What is an aristocrat?”

[quote] An aristocrat is someone from the ruling class, usually those with nobility, money, or both.

[quote] The word aristocrat comes from the Greek word aristokratia, which itself comes from the root words aristos, meaning "best," and kratos, meaning "rule." So, the aristocracy was the ruling class of (supposedly) the best and noblest people, and an aristocrat was a member of that class. Today the word can also be applied to anyone with superior standing: Count Basie was an aristocrat in the jazz world.

Now then, you tedious cretin - the UK does not have a RULING CLASS any more. Nowhere in Europe does. If an aristocrat is a MEMBER OF THE RULING CLASS, but there IS NO RULING CLASS then there can be no aristocrats.

Logic 101. Take a class when you’re done with remedial reading.

Hereditary titles below royalty are used for snob value these days, they are worth nothing else.

R392, thanks for that evidence that Charl's eyes are, indeed, dark green, like her mother's. There's a fool on here who keeps insisting that they are blue.

Hello tiara lovers. I was over to the Victoria and Albert Museum today, and viewed Queen Vic's Sapphire and Diamond Coronet, delicate and smaller than you might think. It has 23 articulated panels to be arranged in various ways. Also on display were the Dufferin (one of the shamrocks is removable, for a brooch), Londonderry and Manchester Tiaras. Plus various other unnamed ones -- coral, art deco, Cartier, and so on.

Another royal item had place of honor in the Dior exhibit at the V&A -- the one-shouldered ballgown the designer made for Princess Margaret's 21st birthday and photographed by Cecil Beaton. She later said it was "my favourite dress of all."

Are we really arguing that Earls, Barons, Dukes, Counts, Viscounts aren't aristocrats?

OK, well if the american says so.

R364, my thoughts exactly. He‘d be a great addition to the cast. A male Meghan.

I don't know where Wills gets that double chin from. Such jowls in a 36 year old! He looks much worse than Charles did at that age.

That margaret dior dress is absolutely stunning omg

Comparing this image with the pictures of the gown going on display at the V&A exhibition, I find it hard to believe it's the same dress, though it's clearly the same basic design. The one in the exhibition is not only significantly yellower (which could be attributed to age, perhaps, except that the embroidery is also distinctly gold, whereas in the picture it appears pink with silver-blue bead highlights), but it's smaller of skirt, isn't it? The skirt on the mannequin is more or less bell-shaped, whereas the one on Margaret is more generous of fabric and lighter at the hem - like Grace Kelly's wedding dress in High Society, though full-length. The bodice and the way the front of the skirt overlaps itself are obviously the same, but I just wonder whether the one on display is an atelier model and not the real one. What do others think?

[quote]UK does not have a RULING CLASS any more. Nowhere in Europe does.

Lol.

It's all done with money now, not laws. Everywhere.

R408-I'd love if he and MM had a tawdry affair. I could so see it happening.

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Meghan has a lot of class, to bad it's all low. She shows her ego problem and lack of intelligence. Divorced women should not wear white and a huge boring church wedding? Really? Then she thinks people want to see more of the crap? The press just feeds the narcissist. Putting her occupation on archie's birth certificate as princess of England? Princess she wishes...lol Kate will be Queen of England and she will still be Duchesss. If the Queen out lives Charles, Archie will never be HRH.

Yes, the gown in the exhibit has yellowed after 70 years, I think; not sure about the bluish tinge on that photo that I assumed came from lighting. This picture was transformed into a digital image that covered one wall opposite the dress.

When I bought my tickets last fall I read that Princess Margaret's wedding dress would be included, so I was surprised to see the birthday one instead. Don't know the fashion politics there. I was the first one in the exhibit this morning, and was the only person in several of the rooms as I moved through, so was able to walk all around the birthday dress and notice the color difference, but attribute the perceived lack of skirt fullness to it being shown without the petticoats.

Will and Kate releasing "The Perfect Family In The Garden " photos shortly after the Hazbean anniversary propaganda slideshow with music accompaniment was AWESOME and STRATEGIC. Run Ging and Cringe into the ground or better still run them outta town. Go Alpha Will Go!

Queen Victoria's tiny crown - worn by her, Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary. No one has worn it since and it resides at The Jewel House at the Tower of London where the public can view it.

Baby Louis is a star!

R417, could it also have been to silence the William / Rose cheating rumors? They're playing the big, happy, intact family well in these scenes.

How the fuck did that basic bitch Ann Hathaway get invited to Gabriella Windsor’s reception? On the other hand, James Middleton is so goddamn sexy these days.

R420 - the Will-Rose affair is just a rumor that popped out from nowhere. I for one require more evidence than tabloid stories in order to believe it. Photos, texts, tapes, emails between the two main characters - anything of that nature would change my mind. Until then, I'm wary of the story.

R420 and R422 - given that the rumors started the same time as rumors of the salad tossing tape, they were most likely started to distract. That's why I don't buy it.

Kate has arrived at the Chelsea Flower Show in a printed Erdem.

Will and Kate at Chelsea.

I like Kate's braid.

A little pat that says "job well done".

The Queen has arrived in Chelsea. Even if you didn't know who she was, you would be able to see her coming. Andrew and Beatrice were with her.

Click and swipe on the link below to see Sophie Countess of Wessex climb Kate's treehouse.

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Have The Hazbean Attention Whores posted anything today?

Fun to see the ladies adhering to the themed spirit of dressing for Chelsea. Florals all the way.

In that DM article @R430, the Royal Family are out in force: Alexandra, Prince and Princess Michael, Edward & Sophie, the Gloucesters etc...

What’s up with Eugenie!

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“And this, poppet, is how you do a long blue-and-white frock.”

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R434 - some here think she's pregnant. Her face is fuller lately so she could well be pregnant. If she's in the first trimester, she could have morning sickness (or all day sickness as some women complain).

I love the dress, too. Normally I wouldn't like that type of pattern, but it's working here!

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How did that frauish, tacky, overdone wedding anniversary clip get more than 6 million likes on instagram? The new never-seen-before pictures were boring af.

Kate and the Queen.

Queen present and future.

Edward and Sophie. I like her dress.

Kisses and a curtsey for the Queen.

Out of curiosity - have the Kate trolls heard of landscape design? No one here expected her to dig the freaking post holes. But I'm sure she worked with the designer closely.

Thanks for the live wedding play by play yesterday. Made my morning. I need more royal fashion in my life!

This is turning out to be quite the festive family assemblage.

I would love to see the Queen try this swing out? Ok it's just a dream but fun to imagine.

A video of Diana's Panorama interview when she's asked if she thinks she'll be Queen. Her words are telling and poignant.

What the fuck are Charles and Camilla doing? He's always going on about the environment and loves his gardening so why isn't he at Chelsea supporting Kate?

I did something investigating and found that Charles and Camilla pn tour in Northern Ireland for a couple of days.

^ SOME investigating

^ are on tour

So tall and lean and lithe. Hopefully Alpha Dick ascends the throne sooner than later. Standing next to the statuesque likes of King Felipe, King Willem-Alexander, the future King Haakon of Norway, William more than holds his own in that set. Charles... um yeah, not so much. He is starting to appear little more than a red-faced doddering old fool. He even seems to be dressing like the Duke of Windsor of late. And as impotent as he has behaved with the Hazbean shenanigans makes him come off all the more weak, if that were possible.

R419 those pictures of baby Louis are adorable - in the lower right photo, he's working some serious Alfalfa vibes.

Canada is celebrating a holiday today - Victoria Day. Victoria was actually born on May 24.

When you think about it this “benefits of nature” initiative of Kate’s really is a wise thing. Perfect antidote to generations of kids having their noses stuck to screens all day, which is so depressing.

And completely unprovocative; unlike the fool Harry calling for a ban on Fortnite.

Charles and Camilla were in a garden but it wasn't in Chelsea.

Charles really doing everything to avoid meeting this new baby

R458 And also a bit ironic given the Sussex preoccupation with social media. This is basically Kate's way of not giving a fuck. H&M can have 150 million followers, it doesn't matter. W&K are the embodiment of substance over flash. Focusing on the benefits of kids playing outdoors and treating mental health show just how shallow putting together a black-and-white video of last year's wedding truly is.

DL posters aren't the only ones who have noticed the competition between the two camps of Cambridge and Sussex.

R461 - Charles supposedly met Archie last week.

Beatrice tore herself away from her creepy Edo to visit Chelsea.

Ooh la la!!

William looks like Nosferatu

Those kids are so adorable

You’re so right R459, it’s a positive alternative to social media overload. Calling to ban things is just ugh.

R459-calling for a ban is just so patronizing and condescending. And ironic given MM's obsession with social media.

R470, Fortnite is a violent video game where the player has to kill 99 other people to win. It isn't anything to do with social media, dummy.

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Some of us remember when Lynne Cheney got on her high horse about sexually explicit lyrics in pop music and attacked Eminem. She also criticized video game developers for similar content. How did that work out? Do we in hindsight respect Mrs. Cheney for this advocacy? Yet idiot Harry is gonna follow the same stupid arrogant playbook.

R284, you only think it's trashy because it reminds you of Miley Cyrus' video. It's a perfectly ordinary swing that children and young people play on, that's like saying the children's swing in you local playground is trashy because it reminds you of sex-swings or something.

Tbh I think it's an odd connection to make. If you've never seen a rope swing in real life then I get it but it's something your'e projection onto it.

R473 - "Who is Lynne Cheney? I don't have a bloody clue."

Charles and Camilla in County Wicklow. They both look ancient.

R471-Fortnite is another form of online addiction, moron.

Kate's enthusiasm doesn't appear to be catching on with the Queen. LOL.

It would serve Harry right if his son became addicted to Fortnite. I mean he's really naive if he thinks the son of two fame whores won't be surfing the Internet and playing games.

Here is Lottie Cyrus for the idiot @ R284.

Diana on one of her early tours.

Nautical Di.

"What the **** is this?"

Only Margaret would wear a tiara in the bath. LOL.

R484-Haha! Margaret really was deliciously louche!

Love this video

Those pictures are a reminder that King Alpha Dick really is Diana's clone minus the hair and makeup.

That’s a great photo, r484! Thank you.

R487 you speak the truth. It’s remarkable how he resembles her.

Prince Charles WILL meet Trump this time when he visits in June.

Sophie in her flower print dress.

The title alone gives us a hint that this program will be yet another fluff piece on "Princess Meghan" and - surprise - Bean's mouthpiece Scobie will be on the show.

Photos of Andrew and Beatrice at the Chelsea Flower Show.

The Queen in lime is looking fine.

Awe r345 That's a great picture of Princess Alexandra, she looks much more her normal self there.

I meant r435 ^^^

Louis and George.

Kate and Will.

Re the picture of Princess Alexandra at R435...

It appears that she has some kind of brace or bandage on her right index finger. With a clear covering.

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Cambridge tykes are living breathing cherubs replete with rosy round cheeks.

R492 She really isn't getting it , is she .

R497, Louis is cuter than George was as a kid. (Not that George is ugly - all 3 kids are cute - but Louis is the real looker so far.)

R501-you'd shit all over her if she got Botox. R500: Poor Eugenie really did look more like she was wearing upholstery.

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FFS, I was just about to say that MM might have actually realized that she needed to lower her profile and now this special, r492? Oh well, the Gayle King special on Friday came and went without any buzz. People are losing interest in her no matter what she does.

Usually hate Erdem with a passion, but Kate's dress fits the occasion. It might have looked better with different shoes.

Meghan is diluting whatever allure she nay hold with the over exposure. Did she learn nothing from Taylor Swift?

Meghan is diluting what allure she MAY hold with the over exposure...

R505 I don't know anything about Botox and couldn't care less who does or doesn't have it. I am surprised at how Kate's skin is aging. She has access to the best skincare products and professionals Even without Botox I would have expected dewier skin n a woman of her age.

Look who's coming to town.

She's so transparent. Really, lady, paps are hanging out at Pearson?

Hella creepy.

You can't stay dewy if you don't eat. Also, isn't Kate a smoker?

If she gained 10 Pounds it would make a big difference.

Meh, it seems Catherine has higher priorities than hyper-superficial vanity. I think she looks lovely, and authentic.

R515 I'd forgotten about the smoking. That will do it.

did Meghan and Jess patch things up?

Yeah, Kate looks like a smoker. The skin gives it away. I like her, but I do think she's far too thin. If she feels she has to be extra thin for the fashion parade part of being a Royal woman, she may smoke in addition to extreme dieting to do it. She really would look great if she went up two sizes.

Meghan and Jess will scissor and make up.

Well spotted r499 Seems like Princess Alexandra has maybe had another fall then or is experiencing a very long recovery from her last fall?

Pardon the ignorance, but to people in the UK not vape? Cigarettes age, but vaping does not (as much, at least).

Click bait for the stans and haters.

Was it "one can never be to thin" that Bessie had embroidered on a pillow?

R522 Vaping still has nicotine, which dehydrates the skin and speeds up aging..

There’s some debate about that, r525. We all know tar is the cancer killer in cigarettes. Nicotine is actually pretty harmless as far as stuff goes.

Today the Queen wore the same outfit, sans the hat, that she wore for Harry and Meghan's wedding. It's said that she sends messages via her clothes and jewelry. Is this her homage to Harry and Meghan's anniversary.

Royal rebels?

[quote] On Sunday Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis tested out the garden that their mum co-designed. However, the family visit broke one big rule during their visit. The Chelsea Flower Show rules say children under the age of five aren’t allowed inside.

R527 - no, it's just the 93-year-old Queen recycling outfits. She really shouldn't need to buy anything new at her age when you consider all of the clothes she's worn over the years. Dust off those duds and wear them again, gurl.

It is interesting isn't it? Identical except no hat. How often does she go to events like these sans chapeau?

Mean article on the wedding weekend.

Why does the Queen always look like a sourpuss around Kate? Kate is a dream as far as married-ins go.

Chalk one up for William and Kate. Those photos are good. Really good.

Sophie Wessex is holding a Sophie Hapsburg clutch (Sophie H. is the lady on the left. She's a former Archduchess of Austria who married a Prince).

I'd be in full support of Kate getting botox along with gaining 10 lbs, but she seems like the sort who's into au natural aging and won't do anything to enhance her appearance. I hope she and the children are at least wearing sunscreen.

Sometimes (but not often) even the Queen is caught looking at the camera.

Lottie looks lost.

R404 I get it megastan, because Archie doesn't have a title that means no one with titles are important. Not only are titles unimportant they don't exist! Wow your unwavering devotion to your idol is unhinged in the face of logic and reason.

R537 Lottie is about the least-lost person I've ever seen. What is she, 4? And already the boss of everyone?

Lottie's got it going on, she got the feisty nature of her father when he was young and the charisma of her Grandmother Diana.

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Harry and Meghan should have alternated between colour and black & white photos in their slideshow. Or even used almost all colour photos with a black & white one thrown in. It looks dreary as it is.

"And yes, I say The Black One, because I think for a lot of you, that is the big problem here. Fraus, we see you."

Look you pitiful frau, you can't call other people fraus when you're not a gay an but a Sugar Frau. You've been trolling these threads since they were dangling tendrils. You're only comeback is race, this about a woman who is caucasian identified and uses self-tanner. Try harder. Maybe take up for someone who actually has melanin.

Please, r543. It’s loonies like you, peddling your stupid ass conspiracy theories, that ruin any semblance of intelligent thinking or wit on these threads. You think you’re being witty and insulting by calling anyone you don’t agree with a “sugar.” For christsake, I’d rather be a “sugar” than a half wit living in my basement writing about fake pregnancies and silicon babies.

R541 Are you fucking serious?

Europe doesn’t have a RULING CLASS anymore. Britain certainly doesn’t. Even the Queen doesn’t rule......but you think the Duke of Westminster does because he’s rich and owns lots of property? That’s really what you think?

Let’s take this slowly for the hard of thinking. I won’t use any long words, I promise.

It used to be that the country was governed by the King/Queen who summoned peers to form a parliament. This meant that those with hereditary titles had the right to be part of governing the country - they were the ruling class because they RULED. (I hope I don’t have to explain “ruled”, do I?)

This was a system of government called an ARISTOCRACY.

A few centuries on and it was finally recognised how unfair this was, and the House of Commons was born. Common people were given the right to air grievances in parliament and eventually this resulted in a separate chamber where elected representatives of common people could sit. But they weren’t as important as “The Lords” who formed a separate chamber & were still basically in charge.

Over the years this balance of power changed until eventually it was the Commons making & proposing laws with The Lords just signing off on them.

This system worked well, but it was still unfair that seats within government were available to people by birthright rather than by democratic processes so we gradually moved into the present system where “the Lords” is largely a meritocracy made up of life peers who have achieved something with their lives. There are a few hereditary peers left, but they have to be elected - they don’t sit by right anymore. The only people who don’t need to be elected now is a group of Bishops & there’s not many of them.

The UK is a parliamentary democracy. It is not an aristocracy. And because an aristocrat is a member the aristocracy, which the UK doesn’t have anymore, there can be no aristocrats.

There are still people with titles, but these conveys no legal rights at all. The Duke of Westminster has inherited wealth and land, but he rules no one. Nor does any other titled individual you care to shout about - these titles are simply vestiges of our aristocratic past, but all rights to rule are long, long, long gone.

I will take all the pathetic insults on the chin because I know that they’re coming from a place of profound ignorance - but I explained it “like you’re 5” (age wise, although it works for IQ too) and if you still don’t get it, you should probably not worry yourself any further because you obviously lack the mental capacity to grasp what is really quite a simple concept.

By the way...the only place in the world that still has an aristocracy is Saudi Arabia which is ruled by the Saud Family whose right to rule comes to them as a birthright. I know your tiny brain will explode, but that”s because of your failure to understand that “aristocracy” describes A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT & is not a collective name for Dukes and Lords.

Now, go practice “Want fries with that?” before your next shift and stop making a fool of yourself.

Another former acquaintance came out and spilled the beans.

'LOVE ENGLISH MEN' Meghan Markle asked Lizzie Cundy to help her find ‘a famous British man’ and ‘GHOSTED’ her when Harry came along

More about Meghan's boyfriends over the years.

I’m not really going to bother with these threads anymore because the stupid outweigh the sensible by quite a large margin now. But for those who are witty, entertaining an intelligent, I have a snippet straight from the horses mouth for you.

I was out tonight with a group of friends, one of whom works in Berkshire for a company that specialises in a particular type of home maintenance. I won’t be specific but think electricians/carpenters/plumbers type company.

About 6 or 7 years ago he went to Frogmore Cottage to do a job there. We asked him what it was like and he said his immediate response when he heard H&M had taken it was....”Seriously?” Not because it’s a terrible dump or anything but because it’s just not very big. It’s apparently long and thin with small rooms and more than one staircase - and not at all the kind of place you’d imagine a senior member of the royal family living in.

His thinks that they must have carried our very serious renovations to get it up to luxury standard;- maybe going into the basement & attic with possibly an extension if the planning committee allowed it.

It’s nice, apparently, but not a mansion by any stretch of the imagination.

So there’s that.

Bye.

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R545 You know what s/he means, though, right? Like you get that when people talk about the "aristocracy" these days they're not claiming that Britain is not a parliamentary democracy? I've been reading the back and forth between you and the other poster and decided you either have a sexual fetish based on extreme pedantry or way too much free time (in which case: I'm jelly).

See these links: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/sep/07/how-the-aristocracy-preserved-their-power

and

https://www.ft.com/content/d95dad98-14c9-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e ('The British Aristocracy Must Solve Its Downton Abbey Problem')

These articles are from 2017 and 2019. Everybody reading them knows who is being spoken of when the word "aristocracy" is used. Nobody (OK, maybe you) spits out their Earl Grey and begins raging about the UK being a parliamentary democracy.

On the one hand, it'd be nice if you stopped raging. On the other, I admit I'm curious to see how long you'll continue.

How do we know Kate smokes?

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Those links again. And, R551, as far as I know we don't. I think harry has been pictured with a cig and possibly Wills too (iirc?) but Kate... anyone got a source?

Lady aristocrats pushing for change...

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That was from 2007, so?

Now her purse contents are more aristocratic.

R557 Smoking can affect skin aging. That was in context in which it was discussed.

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Everybody wants to be a cat...

Thank you for the Frogmore goss R548. It has always struck me as such a normal-looking house. Larger than average but still... normal.

As for Kate smoking, I have no problem believing she did (and if that pic is legit, then that's pretty close to proof she did back in the day) but would be surprised if she still did. She just strikes me as the type who would quite smoking before getting pg and never start again. She also, given her weight, strikes me as having fairly steely self-discipline.

R560 What's the relevance of Meghan possibly being a smoker?

Nobody was judging Kate's smoking. It was mentioned as possibly relevant to her aging skin.

r548, that’s interesting. Thanks for sharing that. Although you may not be here to receive the thanks...

It reminds me of the photo of the Harkles Cotswolds house. There was a monstrous window that must have required quite a bit of rejiggering, to install. Old homes are old, with old design, they’re not “open plan”, and modifications to make them more modern are stupid, IMO.

My sister bought a house built in 1905 or something like that. The rooms are very small. There are sconces in the living room that would have cost a small fortune to remove or rewire, so she’s keeping them. It’s a charming, lovely little house with a nice “flow”, but it’s tiny. She decided to keep many of the old flourishes and details and I’m so glad she did.

Anyway, that’s my perspective.

God, Jessica Mulroney looks like trash in those photos. More the fashion and the fake tanner than the cig. Straight outta Essex.

As for the smoking, I kind of don't care who smokes and who doesn't. I know it's become (especially in North America) a habit that's automatically looked down upon, but really I just think Megs has a shitty character. She can breathe only the most purified air or smoke like a chimney, I'm still not gonna like her.

[quote] Below is Jessica M. on a smoking break from GMA. Birds of a feather and all.

Is this a thing? Smokers are only friends with other smokers?

Regarding Kate's new and improved U (as opposed to non-U) purse contents, perhaps we should compile a list for each phase of her life. Pleb purse vs aristo purse. All I can think of is that the aristos might have some kind of disinfecting spray for when a peasant gets too close. But the obsession with cleanliness and hygiene itself strikes me as rather plebian. Hmmmmm...

I love that picture of Jessica smoking. And I’m thrilled she’s going to the UK. Will she be able to resist posting photos? Not of Archie or anything, but ones that go right to the edge of propriety and maybe cross over a little? I shall keep an eagle eye on her Instagram.

What kind of smokes were those in the purse?

Some triggered stans at the idea of Jessica and her twin smoking ciggies. Clutch them pearls ladies!

I wish Jessica's old neighbor would start posting again.

R570 I'm not triggered darling, just calling you on your asinine logic at R560. I'm also amused at your ineptitude in doing a Google image search.

Here's the smoking gun. Guess it hasn't been scrubbed. (Can't vouch for it's veracity)

And it's still irrelevant to a discussion of Kate's skin.

ITS veracity at R572

WOW! Smokers? People, smoking? I never knew this happens. Especially in Europe!

Weird that a vegan would smoke...or roast and eat a chicken.

Some cute anecdotes about the Queen Mum...

Charlotte really looks like Diana in that latest Instagram photo. I'm not sure I would wish that on her: Bad enough being, potentially, Diana's only granddaughter without looking like her, too.

R547, did they leave off Joe Giuliano for any reason?

Tee hee

R572 That's not a cigarette that Meghan is smoking. It's a joint.

Mamamma...marijuana!? Like..reefer? What is this world coming to?

As much as I dislike Meghan, I have trouble imagining her smoking cigarettes. And William.

I believe it of Kate and Harry.

R571, what is that?

Next Thread is up.

Please fill this one before starting on Part 60.

Dedicated to R580

I had too

Sweetie, all gossip is fair game whether it fits in what you personally coin "logic" or no. None of us are required to follow your decided program of what can or should be posted, in what order or in what manner. So if I wanted to mention something about Jack Brooksbank possibly being a smoker, then I will. Hall monitoring and controlling personalities do not become. But thanks for the pic.

George rating the garden 20 out of 10 is super cute. William notes that, Mummy has done well.

The family dynamic is very relaxed and natural, you cannot fake that with kids.

Lottie squealing ooh. la, la is adorable.

And Louis wanting to go on the swing like the big kids, and the way Wills interacts with him is endearing.

Wasn't that George?

Does anyone remember this? A couple months ago, there was a press release that MM was designing or somehow involved in a display at a show. And then Kate was also going to have a display... not sure who was announced first. MM 's was going to be very social justice oriented and it implied that Kate's would be rather traditional and lame

So was it for this show? I'm sure I didn't dream this. Anyone?

I remember that too but have not heard of it since, R589.

The various videos of the Cambridge children are so appealing. Love the way William interacts with them.

Okay, I found it, in mid March. Totally tabloid. One of their sponsored charities has a display. MM has no personal involvement.

R572 Yes if its an unaltered photo, it's certainly a joint. The splayed fingers and the suggestion of toking rather than just inhaling.

This is garden at the Chelsea Flower Show that is by one of the charities supported by H&M.

No, R588.

It was Charlotte.

I watched the video again and it's clearly Charlotte.

Charlotte may be a fan of the Fancy Nancy books, it is her signature phrase. She is the right age for it.

George seems like a really physical kid. It is clear all the kids enjoy being outside. 20 out of 10, boy loves his mummy.

Sarah, Duchess of York...the star of the show wherever she goes.

Waving at nobody as her long suffering daughter pretends that it’s not happening.

For all the grandness of the former Baroness Marie Christine von Reibnitz, Princess Michael of Kent and mother of the bride, there were surprisingly few photos of her,

Yes it was a combo African and solar powered garden that was going to be better than Kate’s boring traditional one. What happened to MM’s garden?

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