British Royal Family Gossip: Part 57

The future bride and groom will marry this Saturday.

I cracked up at r601.

I will give Meghan credit where it is due. She has managed to attract many raving lunatics, morons, and uninformed dipshits into new fans of the royals. She really should be crowned the next Queen.

Do you suppose Charles upon meeting this newest grandson said the words, "Oh god, it's a boy." Adding, "And he's even got red hair."

[quote] She has managed to attract many raving lunatics, morons, and uninformed dipshits into new fans of the royals

So the regular cohort then, R3?

Like attracts like as they say

Camerller

The make up artist sheds tears, visibly emotional.....omg someone here will have to take one for the team and watch this farce.

Back on the last thread where someone said Instagram isn't important. We know it's not but for meghan and her supporters it's like the ultimate win. If they overtake the Cambridges, lainey and kaiser won't shut up about it. Their stans will somehow think that means they deserve to be king and queen. I'm the only who took all this to heart and let the injustice get to me. So I want it to hurt them and I want Cambridges to still have more followers and the lot because that seems to be level the sussexes and their stans seem to be at and i want them constantly come up short in the fame department. That will make meghan come tumbling back down to earth.

Kate and William. Eugenie and Bea.

Harry, Meghan, Fergie, Anne, Charles, and William.

Eugenie is so pregnant. Just saw the photo from the prior link, from the other day at her modern day slavery panel. Why not announce it? She looks to be several months along, well past 1st trimester.

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R12, it’s likely she is. Maybe she’ll wait for Gabriella’s wedding to tell the family.

^^ she can wear a maternity coat and walk around with her hand on her belly.

So, Meghan has a new close friend who we've never met before assuring us she's not a diva. What happened to Jessica M? Don't tell me they've fallen out? Anyone know if this new friend was at the wedding and where she sat?

What are the odds we will see a Eugenie & Meghan collaboration?

Discuss!

Oh I miss The Windsors! Fingers crossed for a new series.

The Queen's pinkies.

Is this her newest BFF?

Which one R20? The Fappening actress in the middle? Dirty girl, she is.

William is the oldest looking 36 yr old on the planet.

Silly Hazza, no more merching pap walks, Meg. Nor for none of your side of the family.

I hope Eugie is pregnant. I have a sneaking suspicion JM is going to be frozen out of the godmother running and that Amal and Eugenie will be receive the honour. It will be MEghan's transparent attempt to pretend she and Eug are tight, no hard feelings about the tacky maternity coat stunt at the wedding doncha know. Then when pictures are taken I hope Eugie double-cups her growing bump for all its fucking worth. It will drive Smegs mad with envy to have a Eugie bump distracting the cameras.

I dont know who that lady is on the left at R20 , but she looks fantastic in that color, and I like the hat.

I believe the new BFF is the one in orange.

You Brits don’t understand Americans.. We do not drool over Harry because he’s a prince. Titles don’t mean anything except to a tiny number. Interest in the British royals is minimal. Articles in the nyt and WaPo have barely been commented on. Harry has wealth and position he didn’t earn, to us so he is merely a “legacy”. Many scions of the very rich in America end up as losers, drug addicts or aimless drifters. Americans like enterprising people who have done something to earn acclaim. Aside from that, Harry is not smart at all, does not have a secondary education and appears emotionally stunted. Neither does he have charm or wit. harry has earned the affection of the British people because of a tragedy that occurred at age 12, and also because peoole found his child-like antics amusing. In contrast, the Kennedy children were accomplished, quite normal and never whined about the loss of their father. JFK, Jr. was charming and personable. Caroline graduated from Harvard Law. And of course, the Kennedy children did not live off the largesse of the taxpayers.

Eugenie looks so good in the photos at the Hello! link. So much less make up and styling (or over styling). She's cute in some recent pics - how nice.

Janina Gavankar is the one in orange, yes?

I do not believe there is competition between the Cambridges and Sussexes. I think H&M simply want to do their own thing without a lifetime of having to kiss up to W&K plus their children. The only thing Harry has of value is his title which if he lived in the U.S. would guarantee him A-List for the rest of his life. Harry fulfilled his role once George was born. The BRF should allow him to "retire" with a stipend to the U.S.

As I said on the previous thread, don't count JM out - she and MeAgain spent years getting very matey, going on holidays together, etc. Jessica knows enough about Meghan to make it as much as Meghan's future is worth to ghost JM. She won't, even though JM is now definitely small potatoes to the fomer Suitcase Girl Turned Royal Duchess.

I do not think Meghan ghosted anyone. I think that after all the trash talk over the shower, they decided to go low key about the baby.

BTW - I still do not believe Meghan's friends did anything wrong in throwing her a expensive shower. She has wealthy friends. Surprise, right?

There is nothing wrong with a baby shower. It was the blatant marching and vulgar media circus she created that was the issue. She wanted the world to know about her baby shower. She married into the wrong family if she want ostentatious displays of wealth 24/7 like that.

R32 - How blind can you be? Of course they did something wrong: they made it as public as possible the same week that 3,500 auto workers in Swindon were told the Honda plant was closing and they were all going to lose their jobs. When you marry into this, you're supposed to be sensitive to issues like this, but Meghan Markle was too interested in playing the Celebrity Star having expensive loot heaped on her at one of the world's most expensive hotels.

They all have rich friends. But some of them have the brains to realise that optics being what they are, you keep certain things quiet and out of sight.

Yes, they were wrong and she was wrong. She lapped it up like the arriviste poseur she is and she didn't have the brains or sensitivity to hide it.

She was, in factk, showing off, which is anathema to the values the monarchy allegedly subscribes too.

Those Honda workes are amongst the UK taxpayers who helped pay out three million pounds to refurbish her fucking cottage.

Yes - there was something wrong with it. You have to be American or you'd realise why.

R32: who are Meghan’s friends?

Did Diana have a baby shower? Did Kate?

I have no idea.

If they did, I don’t know who attended. I don’t know how much it cost, or what food was served or what gifts were paraded in front of the paparazzi.

Bravo, R34-you hit the nail on the head. R32-is that getting through to you?

So she can have shower but has to "pretend". Okay, I can do without the fakery. The BRF does not give two fucks about those people who lost their jobs so why should Meghan?

R34 a woman shouldn't have her baby shower with her friends because factory workers are losing their jobs? Meghan haters will come up with anything to bitch at the woman.

R39 You speak like someone who has no clue about situational nuances or complexities of issues, and instead just opines for the sake of wanting to be trollish or ignorant.

I’d love to hand Meghan a suitcase and say “would you be a lamb and open this for me?”

Oh I get it, R40. I just do not agree with you.

I received immense amusement at Meghan tipping off the press about where she was going and what was happening where during her NYC sojourn for her baby shower; and then seeing the press pens were only a quarter full and no public interest gathered around to gawk at her. They couldn't give a toss about her. Video showed people just kept walking up and down the sidewalks getting on with their day. It was like a flashback to Trump's inauguration. It seems a lot of hype that Americans are fans of Meghan and dubious that they would care at all who she is if she no longer has the gravitas as a working royal of the BRF.

It's even better when you remember that her little baby shower was probably the step too far that angered a lot of people. And it cost her the ability to sneak away to the Oscars. She played herself.

Gays and Frauen: I was beholding photographs of our Royal Dreamboatness, preparing to unzip my pants, when all of a sudden it hit me like I wish our prized man-stud's testicles would smack our chin during oral copulation. His daughter Princess Beatrice's odd features would be better, if she had a larger nose to balance them out.

I usually reserve photo editing to inserting Andrew in sexy, and arousing situations. (Also the occasional tampon box featuring Charles) However I have used it to enlarge her nose. Do tell me if you believe this would make her face better off than what she is currently working with. The photo to the left is her sad current situation. The photo to the right is the "corrected" version.

R43, I think that baby shower was a Sunshine Sachs endeavor. It is perfectly possible for VIPs to carry on doing whatever they need to do, unperturbed in NYC. Okay, maybe there are some K-Pop groups who might get mobbed.

But the way they merched the hell out of that shower seemed beyond.

R39/42 cannot wrap her mind around the concept that a famous woman can have a baby shower without alerting the press in the media capitol of the world. Or that a woman of Meghan's wealth and means who claims a special status as humanitarian and world savior should not flaunt her wealth and means when others who pay for her special privileges suffer. I mean really. Did she really need to do the various pap walks in her big sunglasses? What the fuck is wrong with humility, even if it's fake?

R45, you’re right.

I know a woman IRL with giant eyes. It’s not that they’re bug eyes (they are), but they’re very big and round and she looks like a giant baby and it’s creepy. She’s very nice, though.

R47, hey, don’t be so hard on Meghan!

She donated the used flower arrangements to a women’s shelter, didn’t she?

^media capital of the world.

I’m hoping that at Lady Gabriella’s wedding that Princess Michael gets her tits out the way that she did at her son Freddy’s wedding.

R47 She donated the flowers to a company that charges $1700 to donate the flowers to hospitals and nursing homes.

Even better, R49 -- cancer stricken children. Never forego an opportunity to use sick children to demonstrate your largesse, even if you didn't spend a dime.

[quote]Jennifer Grove, the CEO of Repeat Roses, an organization which recycles florals from events and uses them to cheer up people in hospitals and care centers, revealed they were gifted to pediatric cancer patients at Ronald McDonald House Charities of New York.

'Cause it ain't real charity unless the whole fucking world knows about it:

[quote]Thank you to Meghan Markle and Repeat Roses for donating the beautiful flowers from Meghan Markle’s baby shower to families at Ronald McDonald House New York! 💐 #KeepingFamiliesClose

Jessica Mulroney is so yesterday's narc supply.

The linked picture of William in the last thread... I can’t unsee that dental cap on his front tooth now. It doesn’t match at all. How have I never noticed before??

Also yes. The baby shower having an itinerary given to press and companies allowed to advertise their involvement, etc - that’s more than just having wealthy friends giving you a baby shower.

Can’t bring myself to watch the special but I do hope someone brings us any good bits.

Whoops. My mistake. Ronald McDonald House is a worthy cause, anyway.

That’s what I’m saying, though. How on earth do we even KNOW this? It was a big Sunshine Sachs joint. They really like to mingle their clients. Many birds, one big fat stone. LOOK AT ME BEING ALL CHARITABLE AND SHIT. KIDS WITH CANCER. I CARE. WE ARE WITH YOU, PEONS.

It’s really sad that she doesn’t have any real friends or family. That’s what your mom or sister would do. It reminds me of this:

The weirdest thing about Meghan's baby shower was the guest list. Hello Gayle and Amal (brand spanking new friends!!) Where's Doria? Nothing to see here folks.

I love the Angelina Jolie quote at R54.

R45 gives an interesting exercise. I think the photo shop does in fact show that Bea's nose is too small in proportion to her prominent bug eyes. It's a dainty and pretty nose alone, just not on THAT face.

Although no great beauty either way, you are right R45, that she would be this side of attractive were she to undertake a proboscis enhancement

R38 - You really don't geti it, do you? When the institution that gave you all your privileges and the status and recognition that is the ONLY reason those "friends" are even willing to give you the time of day stands on the kinife-edge of the public good will: yes: you do it quietly and out of sight or you tell your rich shallow celebrity friends Thank you so much for the thought, but donate the money to charity in our name instead..

You enter the Golden Circle, you pay a price: you can't do what you want when you want and you can't be yourself on your own terms.

You want the perks without the price: leave and take your fucking celebrity status with you. But don't take my taxes for your fucking lifestyle and then flip me the bird at the Mark Hotel with the other attention whores.

^*knife-edge

R61 see R42

Yes, Bea needs a larger nose.

Let’s have another saucy Randy. Andy photo

You are in luck R64 honey! I happen to have one handy, for your own personal "handy". I have to warn you. It is more potent than 4 Viagra! I am not responsible for any friction burns, or newly formed fetishes this erotic rendering of a handsome man may cause you.

Tweeting for Her Majesty? How's that for a line on your resume or CV, as the British put it.

But it's a real job, it turns out, and for the grand salary of about $38,000 annually, you can become social-media manager for Queen Elizabeth II, the 93-year-old monarch who is savvy enough to know she has to go with the flow when it comes to modern communication.

Thus, the job description posted on the Royal Household website Thursday.

"About the role: It's knowing your content will be viewed by millions," it starts out. "It's finding new ways to maintain The Queen's presence in the public eye and on the world stage. This is what makes working for the Royal Household exceptional."

The queen is coming slightly tardy to the social-media party but it is a testament to her shrewdness that she and her top staff have grasped the necessity.

Some of her grandchildren already have a robust social-media presence with staffers to tweet and post on Instagram for them. Others, such as Princess Eugenie of York, manage their own.

Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex launched their own Instagram account last month, which they use to post mostly about their royal engagements and charities.

They also posted the news of the birth of their first child, Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor, on May 6. They must be doing something right because the expertly curated page already has 8 million followers. "Joining this fast-paced and dynamic team, your challenge will be to manage and oversee the daily news flow on digital and social networking platforms, as well as play a key part in some of the digital projects," the job description says.

"Whether you're covering a state visit, award ceremony or royal engagement, you'll make sure our digital channels consistently spark interest and reach a range of audiences."

It sounds like what a modern journalist does, except it's supposed to be a Monday-Friday job and the journalists who cover the royals may work many more hours than that given royal schedules.

Also, the salary is not astounding by American standards, but think of the reach:

"The reaction to our work is always high-profile, and so reputation and impact will be at the forefront of all you do," burbles the job description." And having your work shared around the world will be the biggest reward."

The job is open until May 26 and you can apply by clicking on a blue APPLY button. It doesn't say applicants should be British, but if you're an American you'll have to learn how to write "British" with its spelling, syntax and punctuation peculiarities.

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Hindsight always being 20/20, I will bet that Chuck, Big Liz, and company would have demanded Meghan invite her family, and attempted to include Thomas in fold. I feel for Meghan. While I do not condone ghosting, clearly her extended family are trashy. We all have "that side of the family" and they are an embarrassment, sure. However they are usually always invited to family functions. They may not show up, but an invitation is always extended.

The clips from The Windsors are making me sad as there doesn't seem to be a series 3 coming.

I can't look at any pics of Bea and Euge here without assuming they're just like how they were portrayed, those ridiculous accents and all.

R27, that's true for Harry I suppose. But celeb culture rules supreme in the US and lots of younger (and I use that term loosely) see Megs thusly. These people don't read the Times or WaPo. They get their "news" from social media; Beyonce is their queen. They look at the Sussex social media for a (supposed) inside look into a celeb's life and skip the dull bits about humanitarian causes (I've heard some complain about the boring captions). I look forward to watching how MM continues to serve that public while at the same time trying to be seen as a do-gooder. I'm sure there'll be lots of ridiculousness.

R39, Let us simify:

Meghan and Harry live off The People.

Meghan made a vulgar display both of being wealthy from The People and of hobnobbing with fellow rich women.

Thousands of The People, in simultaneously becoming unemployed en masse, took a dim view of the vulgar display of the Duchess of Sussex, seeing it as uncaring of HER BENEFACTORS' plight.

A Duchess is, you see, by being on what amounts to the dole on steroids, not simply any woman having a baby shower.

R71, I get it. You are all about appearances but no substance. Pretend that BRF is not living it up when in reality they are. I am not British, glad I am not, but it does not matter how modest any member of the BRF may act in public, they are living large. It does not matter that they make appearances for charities and at events. Their "work" is not enough to fund the life of leisure they live. The truth is that MM is an American who has finally shown Brits that the emperor has no clothes on and she is resented for that. Get rid of that stupid institution.

Whether or not the work the RF do (and some of it is definitely of the much more nebulous variety, related to national symbols and history etc.) is 'worth it' is really a call for the British people, R72. I say that as someone who mainly feels ambiguous about the whole lot of them, excepting Lizzie herself.

It's interesting to see Americans acting as if this is an argument, because it really isn't. You may prefer MM (or any royal) to the others, or you may not. But the role of the RF in British public life isn't really a debate, even if you do like her and not the rest of them. The baby shower was a colossal fuck up in the context of her role. I would have had zero opinions on that baby shower if MM had married Random Private Billionaire #345. But she didn't. She specifically married Main Member of the BRF. And that means she has to play by their rules. That's not a debate. That's just a fact. You can like her better than them. You can think she's an awesome rebel and a breath of fresh air. You really can think all of those things. But you can't be surprised or offended that people dislike her, or that she's criticized.

W and W for R72. Wills and Kate went on so many super expensive holidays during their first year of marriage, but nobody criticised them here. Kate has lived off the British public all her lazy life, whilst MM supported herself until a year ago.

We got rid of the monarchy once, we don't need yanks to tell us about our institutions. We are well aware of how privileged the brf are. MeGain is showing us anything new. We just resent funding a greedy, vulgar social climber who is unwilling to do the job she got when she married Dimwit. She is there to represent UK plc, in return for various privileges. Instead she's grabbed everything and is only representing MeGain inc.

R75, she is doing her job and doing it well. You have double standards for her and Kate because you are racist and also hate the fact she had a life before the royals, unlike dependent Diana and Kate.

Really r75 please do tell how she has promoted UKplc since she married in?

Using the Kennedy children as an example to look up to is laughable. So many strings were pulled for those kids it isn't even funny. Their whole fortune was based on Joe Srs scams and mob ties. Intelligent? Lmfao. Didn't it take John Jr several attempts to pass the bar? Of course Caroline didn't get get denied Harvard but how can we prove she actually earned her place there? That whole family is scandalous and a giant embarrassment to the American people. And yes, many Americans do indeed like the royal family.

[quote]The truth is that MM is an American who has finally shown Brits that the emperor has no clothes on and she is resented for that. Get rid of that stupid institution.

Thank goodness you, Meghan and her ilk came along just time to save the Brits from their own stupidity and naivete. What would they have done without your bare-nekkid, pig ignorant condescension?

Kate has been a succubus draining the British tax payer since she was 21 years old. She has a degree from an excellent university, yet has never worked, but for some reason is worshipped by all the tiara fraus on these threads.

Meanwhile, American Meghan earned her own living until she was 36, but is reviled here.

R79 Thank you! if only we could be as clever as them with their wonderful reality show leader.

Here's the thing, being a member of the BRF is not a popularity contest, it's not American Idol where you vote for your favourite contestant. Unfortunately a lot of morons seem to think it is, if MM gets more people following her on Instagram, she doesn't get crowned the winner of the BRF.

R80 Oh using the word succubus, did some Megastan get hold of a dictionary?

R82, I guess you are incapable of defending grifter Kate from the succubus charge?

I cannot wait for the meltdowns here when Sussex Royal overtakes KR. Meg's pic of Archie's feet already got over 1m more likes than the most popular pic of grim faced Charlotte Middleton.

Goodness, what have we done to deserve this.

R66, I'm definitely going to apply for this position! I live i nthe UK and manage social media accounts as part of my job. Fingers crossed I can work for the Queen.

Anyone have links to pics of Eugenie's pregnant belly?

R80: Honey, they're all living off the British taxpayers (and their inherited wealth). They get to call themselves royal and live in palaces and do charity "work" to fill their time. It's obviously something Megs wanted, otherwise she would've declined Harry's proposal, like his other girlfriends did (despite actually being in love with him, in contrast to Miss M, I suspect).

This ain't a Kate v Meghan or a UK v US thing. Meghan is fun for us because she's so obviously a social climber who does amusing things. Kate is also a social climber, but she doesn't do anything amusing. She's a bit dull, like most of the rest of the royal family.

R84 Oh dear you are on the wrong board honey, no one here cares who has the most followers on instagram mainly because we aren't teenagers and have more than 2 neurons to synapse together. You can look that word up later in the dictionary your Mummy bought you and put it in a sentence with Frau and succubus.

For the Randy Andy fan

R45, I love it! I have a thing for big noses, and it's clear that it would suit her much better. I'd give her an even bigger one.

I've posted this recently but here it is again on the eve of her daughter's wedding. Please someone post photos of her in jewels.

R89 Thank you, he is magnificent!

I hope Master Archie doesn't inherit his mother's feet. What a missed opportunity to include a tribute to Dorito on Mother's Day, too.

R93, I am DYING.

Princess Michel awakes, throws on her luxury housecoat and tiara and feeds her pussy.

Fixed that for you R93

Showers are for people who need help getting started, be it a marriage or a baby. This woman did not need a shower. All she had to do was have minions buy all the baby supplies needed.

The look on that cat's face in R95's post! The cat totally has her number.

thats the best LOL R96

R95 R98 LOL you both win the thread

To the poster at 84 (sorry don't know how to link) -- MM could have 10 million zillion Instagram likes. William and Kate will still be the King and Queen.

Sometimes I feel like I watching that Geico ad where the woman uses her wall like Facebook. "That's not how it works; that's not how any of this works."

R95-that's like Cinderella's evil step mother with the cat. I can't find a good link to it, though. The jokes practically write themselves.

The cat looks like her.

R78 - Yes, the privileged rich are the privileged rich everywhere. But you know what? They don't have huge sums of public money set aside annually JUST to pay for their staffs, home renovations, travel, and wardrobes. And they can't remain in political power unless they can get elected. Ted Kennedy knew after Chappaquiddick that he could kiss the White House goodbye. The Windsors are a hereditary monarchy: they are Heads of State: the Queen can dissolve a government and ask the leader of the oppostion to form a new one; she rides to House of Government each year and reads off what the governnment's priorities and policies are going to be that year: her face is on the stamps and currency: the PM meets with her every week and she receives deeply sensitive and important state papers every day in a red dispatch box that she has to go over: she has three constitutional rights: to be consulted, to advise, and to warn.

If you think that's just the same as being John-John, Jr., think again.

She represents a long line of British history and the continuation of tradition going back 1,000 years.

She's can't be "un-elected". No matter how unpopular her Heir is, he can't be "unelected" either. William would have to be caucght molesting toddlers as he boils bunny for their breakfast before he could be involuntarily knocked out of line (something the fraus on CB constantly forget as they coo over Harry and Meghan).

Rich monarchy isn't an equivalency with rich politicians and rich celebrities. They are scrupulously held to a neutral political position - something Meghan also seems uncomfortable with, although she's not uncomfortable with a million dollar wardrobe, a home on the Frogmore estate, luxury travel, large staffs, limousines, and a father-in-law who gives her husband somewhere in the region of £200,000 annually to supplement the poor boy's £300,000 a year from his trust.

The friends she has now didn't know her name before it leaked out that she was dating a Windsor. They wouldn't have thrown her banana peel, let alone a baby shower, before she got HRH in front of her name and got photographed on a balcony with Britain's Queen and next two Kings.

Randy Andy Fan is going to love this. A new official portrait of the Duke of York has been released today. The painting is by London based artist Harriet Pattinson. Art lovers, what do you think?

Swipe on the artist's page for more detailed pictures of the portrait.

Ever since someone said uma thurman can okay princess Michael of Kent, I can't unsee uma in her face.

Sorry, wrong link. THIS is the artists page to swipe at!

R107-damnit. Now I can't unsee it either.

Prince Andrew's portrait is much more flattering than Kate's was.

Uma doesn't have the jaded oommph to play Princess Michael, though otherwise I see it too

How funny that this should pop up in the Express, featuring a rather odd prank Diana tried to pull, involving one of Princess Michael's cats.

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She sure knows how to work / wear a cat!

Diana sounds like a bit of an autistic instagram tween in that article. Jokes are only jokes if they're actually ...funny. Parading around KP public spaces in thongs (in the 80's, no less) sounds deeply exhibitionistic.

But, but SHE knew NOTHING about Harry.

Kate on a day out with a younger George.

R110 No lies were told.

I suspect Andy would not allow anything but a flattering portrait of himself. FWIW Kate was ok with a controversial piece to spark debate.

The York sisters Beatrice and Eugenie.

Peter and Autumn Phillips were married eleven years ago today.

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David Emanuel makes horrific wedding dresses, but on this point I can't say I disagree with him.

By the way, to have Diana's wedding dress designer saying this a SERIOUS BuckHouse PR at work.

Meghan has two years max more in her new Celebrity Faux Eden. They won't willingly stand much more of this.

David Emanuel really hates Ralph Lauren.

[quote] Following the birth of baby Archie, Emanuel said he could see Baby Sussex sporting English fashion, such as ' little shirts, Peter Pan collars, Mother of Pearl buttons and little shorts as he gets older.'

[quote] 'But American is Meghan. Meghan is American. So who knows, he might be in baby Ralph Lauren? Who knows,' he said.

[quote] Emanuel added that dressing a baby in all Ralph Lauren would be 'expensive' and 'unnecessary,' adding: 'But you know she's the Mother. If she wants to put him in baby Ralph Lauren, it will be in baby Ralph Lauren.'

R111 I think Uma could summon the attitude.

No, r124, Ralph Lipshitz is loathed in England, especially after he threw a party (to benefit a charity) at one of the Grand Houses there and was so busy ordering not just the staff, but the LADY of the house around that it made it into the papers.

He's Persona Non Grata in English aristocratic houses

It seems DLers aren't the first to see the resemblance.....

If she starts dressing him in Ralph Lauren she'll get as much stick from the DM comments as the name Archie did. It's incredibly chavvy in some parts.

Why do so many royal couples get married in May? Does the Queen love a springtime wedding or something?

Exactly, r128. Ralph Lauren is now the height of "Chav Chic" and "McMansion Marvellous"

R79, your insults do not bother me because you do not know me. But I am absolutely delighted that I touched on a sore spot with you.

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I'm sure May in England is just lovely in bloom.

Although, Eugenie's windy October wedding seemed somehow right for her and her autumnal coloring. They say Euge had to postpone her nuptials for Harry and Meghan, but if so, it worked out.

More to follow, it reads...

David Emanuel isn't exactly in a position to look down his nose at Ralph Lauren. His last venture was carried in the frau fantastic Bonmarche, which was recently bought by Primark.

Here we go .

r135, Emanuel remains a favourite of the Crown = well in a position to look down on Ralph "Flog It, Merch It, Make it BEIGE!" Lauren/ Lipshistz

R81, Trump is idiot; he too has no clothes on either and lacks any sustenance. But we will be rid of his ass in less than six years. Hopefully much less. But you joyfully support a dog and pony show where asshole pretend to be better than the regular British citizen through generations. You have all sorts of distant relatives living off the largess of the British people and you are perfectly fine with it as long as they are discreet about it. Well I personally do not respect the fake pomp and circumstance of that awful woman you call your Queen or the rest of her folks. Personally your BRF is the original reality show because they are not "royal", who is?. So I am thrilled to see Meghan earn the ire of the British people by not playing your game. Grant it the BRF will probably have her killed if she keeps it up but until then I am amused.

r136 Any mention of why there is no signature from either parent? I understand that as a Prince of the UK Harry can *sign* "Harry" but shouldn't his bit be signed, not typed?

William signed in that box, even on Louis BC which was typed.

R133, isn't Eugenie a winter? She looked fantastic in her pure white gown and the bold emerald green stone in her tiara. Autumns usually need to wear cream.

R137 when was the last time any of the royals, and specifically the monarch, (since your reference the crown), wore and David Emanuel creation?

His patron has been dead for 20 years, and he's been shaking his ass on reality tv and flogging his wares in budget shops. His point about wearing more British designs is valid, but he has no perch from which to look down at Ralph Lauren or any other successful profitable designer.

R139, I haven't a clue to be honest, but no doubt the press will tell us, lol

R141 should read "any David Emanuel creation"

How did Meghan get from Windsor into to town to the Portland? That road is one of the most heavily trafficked in the UK - even at 4AM. And how did she do it without being noticed? This is all so odd.

R139 If the certificate is typed, then all the information is typed, except the registrar's signature and the date at the bottom.

R139 I also find it odd that it's not signed. Everything is just so shady with those 2. Nothing is ever straightforward. I'm sure they do it deliberately

R145 No, the informant's signature is not supposed to be typed, it's supposed to be a signature. William signed Louis' birth certificate & the rest of the information was typed.

Lady Pamela Hicks and her husband David Hicks. You know Pammy - she's always appearing in the recent documentaries re the Queen. She is also the second daughter of Dickie Mountbatten and his wife, a Ashley. Interesting marriage considering the husband's flagrant other interests - he made no bones about it, and never cared who knew or what was said. He had lots of men on the side. Anyone have any other information about this guy? The marriage dynamic between these two is fascinating to me. She just let him do his thing without batting an eyelash.

R146 The birth certificate looks exactly like mine so pardon me if I disagree with you on that one.

Probably never, r141. But he is a favourite - that means he has the Queen's personal favour, not that she wears his work. And despite doing no work, he is somehow very well funded and considered (quiet but) relatively untouchable

Her occupation is "Princess of the United Kingdom". WTF? Oh, that's rich. Yeah, she married a prince but she's never been called Princess Henry.

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Why did the Sussex Pair think they could hide the birth certificate? The timing of the birth certificate just before another royal wedding is suspect as well?

R149 Well I'm also a holder of a British birth certificate, signed by my father. I also signed my son's birth certificate. Not sure how a typed name is considered valid. It could have been done by anyone.

Prince George's birth certificate was written. I guess typing the info is now acceptable.

She's Rachel Meghan now, is she? I'm beginning to think that Archie Harrison is named after BOTH his parents.

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Exactly, r154. All typed BC's are signed in script by the informant. To type the name introduces the idea of an intermediary, which in legal statements under penalty of law is tricky because later on the typed name signature person could say "Well I never actually signed it did I? That was a misunderstanding with a clerk."

It's all so odd.

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Well I am trying to save money since everyone is concerned with how much I spend.

From the article at R159

[quote] That's handy! William signs TYPED birth certificate for HRH Prince Louis Arthur Charles of Cambridge five years after registrar received DEATH THREATS for her messy handwriting on George's

[quote] Although the birth certificate may seem a formality, it can be a stressful job as found by previous Westminster deputy registrar Alison Cathcart who revealed she received death threats over her 'messy handwriting' on Prince George's form in 2013.

[quote] Louis' document has been typed up which may have been an attempt to avoid a similar situation.

R159 Except the box states 'Signature of Informant' and that isn't a signature. My son's birth certificate is typed but I still had to physically sign that box. I get it, you say yours is the same so it must be legit, it just seems odd to me that's all.

They can't even get something as basic as a Birth Certificate right.

I believe she was pregnant, and gave birth, but this is all so strange. At every single stage it's not been "different" or "tradition-breaking", it's just been VERY strange, and unduly secretive, and almost ....sleazy.

R163 Exactly! There's always something not quite right

R162 I actually have 2 different versions. It's not technically the birth certificate. It's a Certified Copy Of An Entry. One copy is handwritten by the deputy registrar and signed by my father. One is typed and signed by the deputy registrar.

I suspect there is also a handwritten copy of Archie's birth entry but the typed copy has been released to the public.

R163 there s nothing tradition breaking about the birth certificate. It's a bog standard document that looks like many other birth certificates in the UK.

So why not release the handwritten original one instead of courting more drama? It's sleazy and sketchy af, especially considering just how much confusion lies around this kid.

Still no answer as to why none of the portland doctors signed off on the birth announcement. Nothing is right with this kid and his attention-seeking parents.

People are questioning the three places circled. Apparently.

so it's fake right? just one released to the press. the real one is somewhere else.

R165 So I was right then? The original copy is signed. These 2 go out of their way to create speculation. Kate & William released the original copies of their children's birth certificates, there's no valid reason they couldn't have too.

R166

1. because they don't have t release anything really. It's a public document go ask for a copy

2. because nutters send death threats to public officials because of their handwriting

3. because it's not precedent setting since the birth entry for Louis was also typed.

Pick you favourite and run with it, or believe there's so underhanded plot afoot.

All I can say is "the poor kid". He has to grow up with these two dramatic nutters for parents.

Er - I would add my voices to those questioning why Harry's name is typed rather than signed?

Sussex Royal hasn't posted the birth certificate yet. Come on, Fame Whore Yoko. We all know you want the attention.

[quote] Tumblr people are questioning the three places circled. Apparently.

R167 fixed it for you.

Who else would be questioning the deputy registrar part of the document, and why?

Is this their attempt at trying to steal attention away from the wedding?

Meanwhile, back to more exciting news: even the fraus on CB are questioning the wisdom of the Gayle King special, which, one of them glumly said, is basically going to be a TV replay of the PEOPLE Magazine article in which Meghan authorised "friends" to make her sound like the most wonderful person in the world, and the words "cloying" and "insincere" were used about the little seen of it.

As one of the posters on CB said, "Why do I get the feeling this was not a good idea on the part of Meghan's PR"?

This is why people dislike Meghan so much: you can always see the wheels going around, you can always hear the "Love me! Love me! I'm wonderful!" whingeing and ironically, the place her particular tactics play worst is right here where she got the big break that made her even worth a "special".

Everything she does persuades me that underneath it all she is looking back toward America for her future.

R175 - The wedding isn't televised, this is really a private wedding of low-ranking royals, I don't think there's much to steal.

Andrew Morton is shit stirring you bitches today.

[quote] How Harry NEEDS Meghan Markle 'more than she needs him' – 'Meghan holds ALL the cards'

[quote] Mr Morton said Harry’s reliability on Meghan is likely to “win over a lot of heart and minds” who are undecided about the Duchess of Sussex.

[quote] He added: “They will see how much happiness she has brought into his life.”

r77, r75 said "Instead...."

R177 There ARE the headlines to steal.

Absolutely she is looking back to North America and I am quite sure Harry would like to join her.I think the only problem with Harry's previous girlfriends was that they were too much of an anglophile.

R177 There will be plenty of press and pictures, especially with the Queen attending. Megalomaniac can't have that. I think she'll also post another Archie pic on Instagram too, another body part.

Morton is a bottom feeder. Clever boy, though, he manages to suggest how controlling and dominant she is in the relationship, without coming out and saying so. And by mentioning all the people who are "undecided" about Meghan, Morton acknowledges that many people really don't like her. The add-on about minds changing toward Meghan because she's "making Harry happy" is specious bullshit and he knows it. No one gives fuck all whether Harry is happy or not.

It's not called anglophilia if you were born and live here like his other girlfriends R181.

R178 - Morton is only telling us what we already know - Harry is a weakling who is allowing his wife to pussy whip him as she calls the shots. In other words, Harry is a GRAVE DISAPPOINTMENT.

R185 What's wrong with being pussy whipped?

r183 is on point.

[quote]I would add my voices to those questioning why Harry's name is typed rather than signed?

Because a big sloppy ‘X’ would make him look like a mongo.

R186 - what's wrong with YOU that you have to ask?

I like this photograph of Alpha Will.

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R189 There is nothing wrong with me.

In most relationships, one partner is dominant. Some men are dominant and some women are dominant. In 2019, and on DL at that, I think it's problematic that a non-dominant male is considered a disappointment.

I suspect that any secrecy surrounding the birth had to do with MM wanting to downplay that she didn't have a "doing it my way, new-agey" home birth but rather a dull normal birth in a swanky hospital, which, per the DM, "offers new parents a 'celebration meal' complete with champagne, lobster and foie gras."

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From Roast Chicken To Foie Gras: The Meghan Markle Story.

In bookstores now!

To answer the birth certificate queries: the informant i.e. Harry, signs the register page which the registrar retains to place into the Register of Births. This 'original' stays within registration services and is never issued. The birth certificates, known as 'extracts of birth' which are then available for parents and indeed for anyone to purchase are only hand signed by the registrar who prints the copy being produced on request. This will not necessarily be the same registrar who first registered the birth. Most registrations are now electronic hence few handwritten 'extracts' are seen.

I'm American but I don't get the love for the royal family, which is mostly women. Some go on about how if the BRF are rich any smart woman would demand they pay out for the best. It is part of that weird thing now where lots of woman demand to be treated like a princess or a queen. I say this as a female eldergay who is so happy that princess shit wasn't pushed on us as small girls like it has been for the past 15 years or so. At any rate, one way to shut these women down is to remind them they wouldn't think it was that great if the royal family was American and we were paying for them. I have always felt Americans could afford to be so taken with the BRF because we are not paying for them. If they were ours and Meghan had that shower there would be hell to pay, especially from minorities who struggle to get good prenatal health care.

R186 - Whatever floats your boat - except that publicly, there is still a reflexive unconscious diminishment of a man who allows it and can't hide it. Especially when he's the one who's conferred the massive social and economic benefits on the lady and made her a princess. It shows contempt on her part (which isn't a good optic) and weakness on his (also a bad optic for a Prince of the Blood).

William might be pussy-whipped at home but he doesn't come off that way in public and neither does Kate. That's what the Cambridges have done so successfully that the Sussexes can't. Even when Kate is dressed to the nines, as at the BAFTAS, she never steals William's thunder or space in the light. Meghan ALWAYS outshines Harry in public.

When JFK visited Paris with his wife in tow, he joked at a breakfast that he was going to be known as "the man who accompanied Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris" because of the frenzied reception she got. "No one cares what Lyndon and I wear," he added playfully.

But the difference was that no one would ever have mistaken who the really powerful partner was there, so JFK was on safe ground making the jokes.

Harry and Meghan haven't achieved this - yet he's the real royal and she's the arriviste. It's just . . . not a good look.

R192 - It's all about the optics. Perception is everything.

That moron George Hamilton once said, "The one thing a woman will never forgive you for is being weak." It's a bit OTT and of course in today's world it gets pooh-poohed as so last century (or maybe the century before that) but there is still an underlying clinging to those archetypes. Harry was the one conferring the dream on Meghan - he's a future King's son and another King's brother and a Queen's grandson. The suspicion that his wife walks all over not only him, but his regal family, doesn't do anything for his public image or that of his family - both of which the woman has already damaged. And it's probably one reason why William hates her guts: in addition to her PR games, she's made a fool of his kid brother. I'm an older sibling - I somehow understand the feeling.

R197 The whole idea of "real royal" is archaic in my book, but that aside, I see your point about the holder of the title vs the plus one (be they male or female). I have no problem with that in principle. I'm bristling at the use of the term pussy whipped in general and here in particular. The idea that a man who enjoys being with a strong woman is less of a man plays into the idea that women should always hide their strength and that non-dominant men should feel shame.

Meghan seems to enjoy attention and I'm all for making fun of that, but using pussy whipped as an insult just doesn't seem to fit DL. I could be wrong though, so there's that.

R195 Not true. Birth certificates are signed by the parent & the registrar & the parent receives a copy there & then. Not a typed copy later on. How are most registrations 'electronic'? A birth has to be registered in person at the registry office.

Agree with you completely R199, except for the fact that it totally characteristic of DL to use the phrase 'pussy whipped'. A lot of posters seem to have very archaic views on what a man and a woman ought to be, and there is also a particularly misogynistic strain from a good few posters. That phrase speaks to, if anything, a very DL POV.

Some are here don't realize that there's a difference between STRENGTH (a strong woman) and DOMINANCE (a woman who RULES over the husband until his personality disappears and he becomes subservient/weak and/or takes on her lifestyle/hobbies/her contempt for his family/friends). It works both ways and neither is attractive.

R199 - In real terms, the whole idea of "royal" always was what the socialists like to call a "reified" concept: it has no basis in anything concrete, it only has the meaning people ascribe to it. So we're not in disagreement on that score. It's not only archaic now, it never had any objective reality, only a subjective one.

There's nothing wrong with a man who enjoys being married to a strong woman: as long as he looks equally strong or stronger than. No man in the social world we live in is going to get credit for being dominated by a woman, let alone a woman who seems incapable of hiding it.

The thing about the royals is that they're like the old three-legged stool: they have a foot in the past, a foot in the present, and a foot in the future. They're playing with competing ideas and constraints and narratives that they somehow have to mix properly to keep going. For the chemist down the street to be controlled by a domineering wife is perfectly find. But for Prince Harry to fade into the background every time he's out with his wife, to go merrily along with all her ideas about PR and branding and flipping the bird to his royal family . . . . not going to work, no matter how we try logically to say, "Hey, whatever gets Harry through the night!"

It may not be fair, but it's still the way it is.

^*perfectly fine . . .

I agree with that R202, no partner should dominate the other in that way and it is upsetting to see when it happens. My issue is with the phrase 'pussy-whipped' which is often used about strength rather than dominance (ie. being non-passive). What you're describing is a gender-neutral situation, that it's bad for either party to dominate like that but 'pussy-whipped' has very gendered connotations for how a woman ought to be.

If Meghan's make-up artist actually sheds tears during the interview it'll be campier than anything at the Met Gala. I'm snickering in petty anticipation.

I agree, R193. I figured MM was embarrassed she didn't get the hippy lotus flower birthing pool home birth she wanted and wanted to divert attention away from that.

Meghan's makeup artist having a boo hoo on the air has inspired me to DVR the program.. I'll set it when I get home this afternoon. It should make for some fun late evening watching as I smoke a bowl or two. Can FF through the awful parts. Twitter should be fun tonight.

Oh, I’m gonna hate-watch that garbage. Someone should start a live thread.

From everything I've heard so far, "camp" is an understatement of what the Gayle King special promises.

What Meghan and her PR seem unable to understand is the concept of "negative suggestion through positive pressure". When a tearful makeup artist goes on TV to weepingly telling you that the C-list actress whom the Queen has had to take down for attitude has never thrown a diva fit, you automatically picture the actress doing just that.

Her PR just do not get this. If it reeks of damage control, one reflexively pictures what the damage was. PR efforts like this backfire because they scream, "Look over here, not over there!"

So I'm sure that from that point of view, the special will be, er, edifying.

Remember when Diana in one of her post divorce interviews said she'd never courted the press?

You could hear the laughter from outer space.

I wonder how many takes / fakes it took!

R206 . Yes! I want a full on 'Leave Britney Alone!' tearfilled rant if Gayle King interviews that make up bottom. Bliss.

A golden comment from the DM: "When I was born my dad told the nurse he worked as a docker on the docks. Anyhow the nurse took as doctor. So my birth certificate still shows my mother as biscuit factory worker and my father a doctor. As for how in this case they got a princess mixed up with an ex actress I have no idea."

Is the Queen particularly close to Lady Gabriella or her family? I'm surprised to see she's attending the wedding. Can't wait to see what she's wearing.

A little bit of me thinks that maybe the Queen is showing a sign of unity, during the stressful times of late, by attending the wedding R214. Also, don't forget the horrific treatment Princess Michael got as a result of Markle's PR over the bloody brooch. She owes her one!

R214 - Not so far as anyone knows, and she actively dislikes Pss. Michael, the bride's mother. But Prince Michael of Kent is the Queen's first cousin and I believe she is quite fond of Pss. Alexandra, his sister, so I think this is a question of keeping the side up.

R212 - Taking wagers on Jan Moir of the DM commenting on the special. Gawd, I hope so . . .

I'm curious as to how Sara Latham herself views her allegiances and loyalty and to whom she thinks she ultimately answers -- Meghan or the Queen's press secretary at BP who is officially her boss. Maybe Latham has put the kibosh on some of Markle's worst or most hare-brained schemes before they can see the light of day.

R218 - Well, we'll never know unless Meghan turns on Latham who then violates the NDA she gets in return for her golden parachute and writes her memoirs.

I hate armchair analysis of celebrities as a rule but one thing is obvious as day to me in this case. Harry's (subconscious) motivations in marrying an attention whoring actress whose arrival might just hasten the abolishment of the monarchy given the soul crushing instability of Brexit- is a big fuck you to his brother. It's a lifetime's worth of resentment at being overlooked in favour of William and the way the Firm has treated him- as less than, an afterthought, literally the spare. It's a case of 'if I aint getting a piece, I'm going to make sure I burn the whole thing down to the ground for you and Georgie'. Really sad. These boys are destined to repeat the toxicity they inherited from Charlie, Andy and of course, Diana.

Me and wifey got BIG plans, bitches!

R220 - I think there's something in your post, although I don't agree with all of it. The public adored Harry and his parents I suspect gave each boy equal amounts of affection and bad parenting according to each one's mental issues. As for "getting a piece" - if that's how he feels, no sympathy here given that he's living a life that 99.9% of the planet would love to try on. But the hierarchy is the hierarchy - but it's the same one that gives him precedence over his Uncle Andrew and his cousin Eugenie, who had to postpone her wedding by six months when he announced his.

I think his sense of being less than is more recent - watching William get married, watching William have the next Heir, watching William get pulled into the Duchy of Cornwall management meetings, realising now how much richer William is going to be, where the money is going, that his kids are going to be less thans, also. I don't think this was a product of childhood, but of recent adulthood. I think William's marriage and family-building hit home for Harry but not necessarily in a good way.

I do agree that Harry has weaponised his choice of a wife but I'm not sure how aware of it he was at that time - and in fairness, he possibly couldn't have foreseen how the very things that appealed to him about her, the narcissism (just like Mama!), the willingness to take on the limelight, her promising him that with her help they would make themselves as important as William and Kate . . . would go down so badly in the UK.

And then he had to double down on his choice or look like a fool.

I maintain, and said in much earlier threads, that Harry doesn't really like the work, he never has. He should have stayed a career soldier, it suited him. He's kind of lost and needs structure and anchoring, and maybe he saw Meghan as someone whose, er, "definiteness" would give him that, and perhaps she has. But neither of them are really cut out for the job, and Harry should have used Meghan as his escape route before, not after. I just don't think he had the balls to give up the perks to strike out on his own with her. Instead, he's trying to strike out on his own inside a framework in which that's just not possible. He missed his chance - he should have resigned his place in the succession upon deciding to marry her, and headed west to America with her.

Of course, it's anyone's guess whether she would have married him under those circumstances.

They aren't necessarily mismatched as a couple, the way his parents were. But as a couple, they are definitely mismatched with the BRF, and one of the casualties of that has been Harry's relationship with his brother.

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There is no way Imma lose an hour of my life to watch this thing when it broadcasts. Just the video here of the weepy make-up artist was enough to give me cavities. Who is the idiot who thought this showcase will in any way endear the salad tosser to the downtrodden disadvantaged Briton on the street? We're supposed to pity Meghan in her over privilege?

The same person that helped Clinton snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

She or the surrogate has given birth in that private hospital Portland . But nobody of the reporters has seen them drive away to the private clinic . So they where not in Frog Cottage .A place in the Cotwolds or the Clooneys home in Berkshire I think .

Guess MM was pregnant after all unless the Deputy Registrar accepted the Archie Doll as life-like enough to be considered a living baby.

Interesting point about trying to strike out within the institution R22. The unwillingness to give up the perks reminds me of Princess Margaret who seemed to always feel a bit placeless but would not give up the title of HRH or the perks in order to go and marry Peter Townsend. Granted, it would have meant living in another country away from her family but also I think she couldn't imagine not being 'Princess Margaret' and all that that entailed.

Being the sibling of the heir or future heir is a bit of an odd role, all the 'royalty' but not much in the way of an actual purpose in life.

Do you think that all that really bothered him that much R228 ? Before MM came along? I saw him as loving his life, and getting away with murder, also. But certainly enjoying his lifestyle, and not giving a damn, really.

That clip was cringe-making, it's like they are trying to mythologise her the way they did to Diana but for Diana it happened after she had been married for years, divorced, and then (crucially) died. She only became 'the people's princess' when she was dead - Meghan may be forgetting that fact.

Having a weeping attendant talk about her strength and poise seems a bit weird only a year after the wedding and while she is still very much with us.

[quote]Granted, it would have meant living in another country away from her family

She wasn't threatened with exile. She simply would have lived the life of a country wife of landed gentry without the perks of the HRH. I don't know if her stipend would have been cut. Her per annum was heavily criticized during her Llewelyn years after she and Snowdon had separated and she spent a good part of her time in Mustique or at her friends country estates with him.

R224 and R225 - Nailed it, both of you.

I refuse to watch, as well. I will be depending on others for reports.

Re: Princess of the United Kingdom - that's a fudge on Harry's part, as she is still a US citizen and so that title is only a courtesy; in addition, I believe there is a clause in the Constitution that forbids US citizens from accepting titles from foreign states. Perhaps her having filed for UK citizenship mitigates that. But just the same, that title is only used out of courtesy. It isn't here absolutely until she signs those citizenship papers and takes the oath.

I note that in Denmark, Prince Joachim seems to have made a very good thing of being the spare - very involved in his estates and perfectly happy with his second wife who have what it is that Harry and Meghan should be treasuring but seem unable to keep from meddling with: the money, the status, the lovely life, a bit of public life but nearly as much as Mary and Frederik are expected to do, and mostly flying sub rosa and heartily enjoying their nice lives without craving MORE MORE MORE!

I think he loved drugs and alcohol and going out . And I think he still do .

R233 - I think his wife does, too.

R210, exactly. Wasn't there also a story from her friends about her keeping hand warmers next to the door to give to the security guards?

How long before one of them has a public fall of grace and ends up dead by drugs. preferably in a soho house

R224, this is exactly the fatuity I wanted from the broadcast. Lordy, the narrative building just in that short clip: the makeup guy was in tears, but she kept her cool; she walked down the aisle alone, but then, when she got to Prince Charles, she was home.

R236 - You mean the hangers-on, right, not Harry or Meghan? Because the latter eventuality will never happen; their RPOs will see to that.

Possibly not R229, I believe him when he said that no-one in the family really wants the job of head of state (which was probably something he shouldn't have said to the media to be honest), but I've also heard it said that he resented the special attention William got when they were growing up from staff who treated him as the heir (not sure how much this happened but one instance was mentioned). I think he has, as you said, gotten away with murder, but in general people do need a sense of purpose or at least an identity that makes you feel like you have done or achieved something.

I just feel like it's a bit of an odd thing to be a spare - a position without an obvious role attached to it. They created something in business and diplomacy for Andrew to do, which was clearly a bit of a made up job. Not that I actually have sympathy mind you, they're both pretty scummy people (Andrew and, to a lesser extent, Harry).

LOOOOL R235, yes! To make it worse was they were allegedly for The Royal Guard! The Royal Guard are the guys in the bearskins who are at Buckingham and St James' Palaces, not outside Nottingham Cottage, lol. And no, They can't accept hand warmers. They don't even move.

I agree that Harry should have stayed in the military. All he had to do is hire a tutor and pass his officer's exam. He voluntarily walked back into the golden cage.

I don't know, R222. I think it's just as plausible that dim Harry was living it up, but feeling it was the time to settle down like his brother and presumably other friends, then along came Meghan, who knew how to seal the deal: playing up her humanitarianism, her independence, her wordliness but also building him up, making him feel important (you do so much good!), special (I don't care that you're a prince as long as you're kind!), protective (I never had a family of my own!), etc.

Wait, who attempted to give out hand warmers, Meghan or Diana?

R242, exactly. And she whispers in his ear: you’re just as good as William, Harry. YOU should be King.

R243, Meghan. If memory serves, it was one of the stories a friend told to People magazine months ago to furnish some positive PR.

R242 - It's probably a mixture of most of the things mentioned by most posters here.

The thing is, in these highly public iterations of a deeply private matter, the trick is to see that the thing in the end is greater than the sum of its parts. That is to say, e.g., that William + Kate = a positive for the institution, the public iteration, even if individually neither is perfect and privately they hit a few bumps, as every marriage does. But Harry + Meghan hasn't so far ='d a positive for the institution and the public iteration, and I don't see how that cannot, in the end, impact the private iteration.

Changing the topic some, what kinds of things are given as wedding presents among the aristo set?

Tomorrow's occasion got me wondering what, say, the Tindalls or the Cambridges, Lady Divina, or maybe Uncle Richard and Aunt Birgitte, might send to the newlyweds. I imagine the happy couple does have a registry or two floating in the high-end shops but doubt those are accessible electronically under their given names like on an Amazon or Target. I, myself, order my linens directly from Yves Delorme in France but couldn't hazard a guess where the posh shop in London.

Agree with the poster above that they are matched to each other but not the BRF. When they were young it was said Will didn't want to be King and Harry thought he was crazy. This was in the tabs a lot and I think Harry eventually said he didnt as PR and to cover his hurt feelings. I believe he thinks he would be a better, charismatic king and that is what bonded him to Meghan, as well as the celebrity of it all. Give me the press i want and then leave me alone, make me a humanitarian but let me live on luxury items. When you think about it that is a lot like Clooney and his wife. I don't think any of us knew the real Harry.

Andrew is practicing for The Trooping The Colour.

Photos of Princess Beatrice at some events this week.

R248 I agree. For a long time there was a general feeling that maybe Harry would make a better king than William. He always seemed so much more likeable, down to earth and 'one of us' than William. I think Harry loved that. It's now apparent that was all a carefully crafted PR image.

Yes he likes the luxury life very much . All the glamour but not the work of being a humanitarian . And Megs is just the same. Very much blablablabla but nothing else .

This whole mental health project PR stuff enrages me. They, incredibly rich royals funded by the tax-payer, are advocating for greater awareness of mental health while NHS provision of any kind of support for mental health issues (acute or chronic) is massively underfunded.

Rather than opening a helpline staffed by volunteers that encourages people to 'reach out' we should defund their luxury lifestyles and use the money to pay more professionals to treat people who clearly need the help, have even asked for the help, and aren't getting it.

It made sense for Kate, since she apparently got bullied at her first school prior to being moved to boarding school. It's a bad taste for some new thing to come in and claim credit.

Yes R254 but what people who are suffering need is better funding for NHS treatment for mental health which is atrocious at the moment. I resent these people living on tax-payers money, who could see a top therapist at the snap of their fingers, 'raising awareness' and opening a charity staffed by volunteers (volunteers can do a great job for charities but in support of, not instead of, properly trained professionals), while austerity has cut proper support and treatment to the bone, as it has in all areas of social support.

R253, well, that’s the crux of the issue. Would you rather they sit on their ass and advocate for nothing? My preference is to do away with the charade of royalty completely. No advocating, no royalty, and a lot more money for NHS.

I think after the Queen goes, republican movements will kick into higher gear. It's quite possible that George or even William will never be crowned.

Depends tbh. When times get real bad, it could the exact opposite direction since the population might be attracted to strong, predictable, traditional pillar. Does depend on demographic, if they keep on bringing in peopel that have no historical association with the institution then yeah, it'll die off. rn tho the great majority of the UK are still of english, irish, welsh, or scot origin and have a link to the monarchy.

Won't happen under charles, but william could make it work if he employs the Queen's handbook.

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Harry always gave me a bad vibe. Beyond the whole bad boy wannabee image. And something still didn't sit right with me when good guy Harry came out.

' I think after the Queen goes, republican movements will kick into higher gear. It's quite possible that George or even William will never be crowned. '

This would be ideal. William already looks as if he's 50 years old. Nobody wants him as king.

I know the conversation will inevitably veer back to evil Meg and her dimwit today Harry, but the conversation about the real worth and longevity of the BRF is really important (but not as much fun, I guess). In the modern world, what is their use? Rather than being diverted by the Sussex shenanigans, that’s what people in GB should be exploring and discussing.

If some of you are republicans and don't like the monarchy, why are you wasting your time (and ours) by posting here?

I honestly william would be happy if the monarchy was abolished.

If that does happen, though, the ex-King will walk away with the mother of all golden parachutes. A life of luxury and privacy, no ribbon cuttings. Sounds great!

R262 Speak for yourself

William would go back to his helicopter job and probably be chill about it.

Charles would care about never getting to be king, but I don't think William would. The Windsors would still keep a buttload of cash and property. He'd be fine, and free.

Yes that's my point R256, when I said 'defund' I meant either to get rid of them or massively cut back on our subsidizing of their lifestyle.

Either way, in a country why there is a massive gulf between rich and poor, helped along by the current government, with poverty as one of the big stressors that can lead to poor mental health (treatment of which is terribly underfunded), having them swan about in very expensive clothing, with an army of assistants, in support of a volunteer helpline (worthy though that may be) is essentially a fig leaf and a distraction from the real problems.

It's great to get people to reach out if they need help but when you have to wait months and months if not longer to see anyone at all trained in mental health (even just a standard consellour for a few sessions, let alone a psychiatrist), then the whole thing feels a little ironic.

I can definitely see the value in having a non-elected head of state with no political power, but I think we in Britain need to rethink how we do that, if we are going to keep the monarchy as an institution.

Yes, r270, sorry, I posted my response without fully reading your previous post. We are totally in agreement. I actually think a non-elected head of state who acted as an ombudsman of sorts (think Dalai Lama!) is far more preferable to the entitled snobs that are there now. Someone who acted as an ethical compass of sorts. It would be a very difficult to craft a position like this, but it’s worth looking into.

R264, this is a thread about the BRF—where the hell else would we post?

No worries R271, it's easy to miss things on a thread like this.

How much value for money do the Royals give? How much worse would people's day to day lives be without them?

Not worse at all, really. Perhaps even better. And I think that will be clearer once HM, a literal living institution is gone, and we're all faced with the reality of King Charles III.

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Feeling bad for Pa Markle, perhaps?

I remember reading a story in more than one place years ago about the two boys when they were children. They were spending the afternoon with HM, their grandmother. When tea time rolled around, the service was rolled in and tea and whatever was offered to HM and William. Nothing was offered to Harry. When Diana heard about it, she was livid. She requested an audience with HM and told her bluntly that she was never to show such favoritism between her two sons again. She might be Queen but her boys had been visiting their grandmother. There were no further such incidents.

I don't know whether it's true but it is a story went around back in the day.

That sort of treatment is probably what sent off Harry down this path. No matter what his mother thought, he wasn't William's equal.

I really don’t think Harry wants to “dethrone” William. I do think he wants to make his own mark, not be another Andrew.

But that's the problem R277, the idea that birth order makes one person better or more important than another is an expression of the idea that the family you are born into makes you more or less worthy. The monarchy is an outdated anachronism but I don't really know what we in Britain can put in its place, and I do believe that we need something - ie. a head of state who is not political and is part of an historical institution. It is definitely something that we need to have a national conversation about.

R276, I read a similar story here, except that it was the Queen Mother who pissed off Diana. According to the story, when the small boys would visit, the QM would make a huge fuss over William and completely ignore Harry. It doesn't necessarily have to do with his rank; maybe it was his personality. Still, Diana didn't like the obvious display of favoritism.

William will never have privacy. Even if the RF ended, all of those people feel like they know him because they watched him grow up. They will always want to know about what he's up to.

But he probably would like to live in his mansions without having to bother with all the charity events? Charles seems to like those things, because he seems like he really wants to make a difference. William just seems like he's going through the motions sometimes.

I heard a similar story but in this version they were having a meeting with the queen and the staff only brought tea for two and excluded Harry - the implication seemed to be that it was the staff who made the decision rather than the queen/whoever they were with. Either way, it sounds like something happened to exclude Harry from refreshments and he found it hurtful.

R281-I know what you mean. For years William seemed bored and borderline disdainful when carrying out his duties, but that has seemed to change recently. Maybe that's the good thing about Markle. She was a wake-up call that what he's taken for granted his entire life as his peculiar birthright might not actually pan out.

R254 what on earth would Kate have been "bullied" about? Being pretty? Sporty? Rich? I call bullshit.

I didn't think this Gayle K special could be so ghastly, but it is. I bailed at the 10 minute mark.

R284

Are you kidding? Teenage girls are terrible. All of the above or not been high class enough?

The middletons made money by selling party items, no shit she'd get bullied compared to some of the other upper-class rich af kids in that area.

What's this article, William crying about Diana? Harry does it, too. Enough already. Lots of us lose parents at a young age. What happened to "Stiff upper lip"?

It's pathetic especially when you consider that most people that lose parents early get a week to deal before being expected to be back earning money. Grown men with kids shouldn't be crying about this shit.

The constant whimpering about Diana seems new, or at least I didn't register it before.

R287 The Middletons made money by helping launder Uncle Gary's drug profits. We have gone over this repeatedly on this board in the past. Most agree selling cheap party tat does not make one a multimillionaire.

The only one with money in that family is drug-loving Uncle Gary.

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Take another look at the picture posted by R274.

Most of the family members are not looking at the bride and groom. Can't see the Queen, but while Philip and Edward appear to be, most of the rest are either looking straight ahead (Sophie and Anne) or looking back down the aisle (James, Louise, Peter, Autumn, Eugenie, Beatrice, Andrew and Kate).

My guess, they are enjoying the group of bridesmaids and pages, particularly George and Charlotte while ignoring the bride and groom.

OMG. Gayle is pumping up Meghan's merchability. A LARGE amount of time was spent on talking about the percentage of sales growth brands receive just after Meghan wears their clothing. Seriously, she shared statistics with exact percentages. AND THEN she said that the baby was an "influencer" and expected to "fuel" a huge dollar amount of spending over the next year. WTF.

That is amazing, R293. Wonder what Lord Doom will attempt to do about THAT?!

R293 Too weak to shut the sh*tshow down and now look -- this madness continues. The trainwreck continues with no real sighting of a live baby. Where will this end?

Gayle's special was fascinating in the way it alternated between extreme hagiography and how it laid out in lurid terms all the criticisms of MeAgain. It may have been very cleverly subversive or just ignorant or just PR pay for play Maybe a combination. I never know what's really going on in this saga but I have been convinced for awhile that the real story is not what is being publicly presented.

To all the fucking skippy’s... why the fuck is there a fake baby? Wh the drama?

Oh yeah, there is no drama or fake baby.

About Kate being bullied... I went to an all-girls boarding school. It was surprising to see who had a hard time and who didn’t. There were fat girls and ugly girls and poor girls who did t get picked on. And there were pretty, thin, rich girls who did.

My conclusion: teenage girls smell weakness and insecurity. They’re like sharks who can smell blood in the water. There was one gal who was fat and ugly and not wealthy. But she was confident and funny, and nobody would think to pick on her. And then there would be some tall thin blonde girl who was obviously self-conscious about her nose of big feet, and she’d get shit about it. There was also a FLAMING gay dude at one of the boys schools and he’d get out on the dance floor at dances and all the girls adored him. I asked one of the guys if anyone bullied him. The guy said “Nah, he’s just Rocky being Rocky. He’s all right.” But he was so comfortable with himself that he was sort of bulletproof.

I’d guess that Kate had some nervousness or insecurity and those sharky bitches sniffed it out.

Guesses, R296?

Tall gals seem to always seem radiate insecurity in their teen years R299. I think that is why she still hunches. Same with the ones who "develop" early. They tend to hunch over too. That posture can been seen as a weakness.

R300, no doubt. Teen girls are the WORST. And some of them never mature.

Agree, R300.

Was wondering what R296 thought the real story re: MeMe might be?

Kate was bullied at primary school for being taller than all the other girls. It's not always considered desirable or feminine to be bean pole.

' Too weak to shut the sh*tshow down and now look -- this madness continues. The trainwreck continues with no real sighting of a live baby. Where will this end? '

Oh look, a Skippie the Bush Whack Crazy Kangaroo came hopping onto the thread!

Always hilarious. We saw a baby just two days after the birth, crackpot.

Does it have something to do with this? How does Soho tie in?

' I never know what's really going on in this saga but I have been convinced for awhile that the real story is not what is being publicly presented. '

You don't say! You've only got 100 posts on every single thread to the effect, Skippie!

'Does it have something to do with this? How does Soho tie in?'

Desperate CT freak, get back to the other OAPs and children on Tumblr, for fuck's sake. Nobody wants to hear your stupid theories.

Someone is getting angry

I see where the PR spin is heading now and so predictable for a narcissist. I think MM knows that she can't win over the British people so instead of going quietly there is an insidious message, the BRF is over and there is no need for a monarchy after the Queen dies. If MM can't have what she wants, ie fame, jewels, tiaras, being a Princess, no one can. She will try and take them down as she leaves, I really hope the BRF does something soon before this rot sets in.

R309-You're right. She'll try and take the whole thing down. I hope they do have her salad tossing tape, because even with an NDA after the divorce she's going to go on and on about how irrelevant the BRF. It's going to get ugly.

R309, she has got what she wanted. She is officially a Princess of the United Kingdom, according to the public record of her son's birth certificate. Her son is seventh in line to the throne. She already has the jewels and clothes and has had for over a year. She has got exactly what she wanted and won't be bringing anything down. She'll carry on enjoying her exceedingly privileged life and adding to her family with Harry.

Skippie CT-ers are just basic Trump birthers at the end of the day, and they are often so dumb that they believe in false flag attacks as well and will rant about crisis actors. They always turn around and accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being 'paid to post', 'paid shill', 'obvious PR.'

In their egomania, they believe they and their social media posts are far more significant than they actually are. Nobody in a professional capacity gives a fuck about what some anonymous posters on a gay message board are talking about

R311 She got nothing she wanted. She isn't officially called a Princess and she never will, only Kate will when she become Princess of Wales. She never became the next Diana as she thought she would. She lives in ex servants quarters under the flight path of one of the busiest airports in the world. She didn't get the tiara she wanted. She got the aquamarine ring for loan but that was taken back. She got the shittiest pair of butterfly earrings and a plain bracelet belonging to Diana. She hasn't got any of the glorious collection of jewels. Yes her kid is 7th in line, which means nothing in the long run, if the Cambridge kids say have a minimum of 2 kids each, that shoves him back to minimum 13th. Kate may have another kid too. She didn't get her own court like she thought. All she has is the dislike of a nation, an instagram with an abundance of fake/bot followers/nutters/basic bitches and a bunch of fake celebrities who have had their day in the limelight.

R313, nothing is more official than a public record, surely? She is a princess of the UK, same as Kate. She will continue to enjoy a life of largesse and luxury as the mother of Harry's children for the rest of her life. You squawking tinhat clichés will not change that.

From Skippy is A Moron's Blog

Hey Skippy, so how does this play out? Is it something like HM or the powers that be approach DINO with a “Hey, we noticed there are no physicians who signed off on the baby’s birth, and the birth certificate doesn’t have the required appropriate signatures, so we’re gonna have to do a DNA test due to protocol. You okay with that?” I’m just trying to figure out the reason given to run a DNA test & the conversations that happen around that. Such an awkward thing!!

There will be a DNA test because she didn’t produce anything with a royal physician signature signing off…it’s the law…that simple!

R312 The crazy megastans are here again, yelling about someone called Skippy. No one in the real world gives a fuck about Skippy except the loonie MM fans. Also you do realise that some of us aren't American, so yelling about Trump is irrelevant to us, to use one of your favourite lines "he's not my president" because guess what, he literally isn't the President for many posters on here. Guess what, other countries exist besides the USA. How sad and ignorant you must be.

Pretty much, R313.

Why do some posters get so emotional when some people don't buy this charade that's being played out?

'The crazy megastans are here again, yelling about someone called Skippy.'

You have been here for 50 threads, so you know exactly who Skippy is, because she has been quoted and linked here hundreds of times. You professing ignorance to the identity of your leader, who shares all the same ideas as you, is hilariously disingenuous.

R313 and R317 = same Skippie

'She didn't get her own court like she thought'

She did. Her court is at Windsor when all prior royals have shared the Kensington court.

Windsor is 33 miles away from Heathrow so the planes are hardly flying low over her back garden. Kensington is only three miles away from City Airport so that must get pretty noisy too, plus it has no real grounds and they all live on top of each other.

Frogmore Cottage has had a 3m reburbishment and it a beautiful listed building. Kensington Palace STILL has servants' quarters, plus ugly low modern ceilings and the sound of traffic 24/7.

R314 Oh dear, you're not very bright are you. Her official title is HRH the Duchess of Sussex, that will never change, she will never be styled with the offical title of Princess. Princess of the United Kingdom is her occupation not her title. She shares her husbands' "prince" statuses through marriage. She is styled as the Duchess of Sussex. Same for Kate until she becomes Princess of Wales.

I guess MM can carry Archie's birth certificate with her at all times and when someone calls her a Duchess she can whip it out and wave it around and yell I'm really a Princess of the United Kingdom. I guess we can all do this, instead of using my name I should bring my kids birth certs with me and yell my occupation to them.

They may be paid as part of a PR social media team. If Quaker Oats has shills, it is preposterous for posters on here to claim that Sunshine Sachs does not.

They are trying to quiet some voices, create a bandwagon effect re: some messaging and push emotional buttons in an attempt to sway. Using names for types of posts -- Skippys, etc is another attempt to quash posts that do not square with the messaging.

One, the Harry Styles/spazz troll has been on here for years and he also posts extensively on these threads. The volume of his posts and certain clues suggest he is not a civilian poster. His endless tries to make the word Larries a slur in 2019 is as sad as the hairline of either Harry. Both, sadly, were far hotter in the mid-2000s the era of Larry chat (likely more orchestrated PR, on every side). Block a ranter and look at the post volume, it reflects more of a full shift than casual posting.

The Gayle King piece sounds quite funny, they really used a script to try to sell her merching stats? THAT is what the focus was right before she gave birth? Ha. It has been clear to anyone watching that she has had this agenda since long before a ring was put on it. She really cannot hide it at all. Is that blatant pitching to US potential revenue sources a sign she plans to bail sooner? I really do think she is trying to be a burr under the saddle so they will pay her handsomely to depart. Plus, rebel, shake up, yadda, yadda.

R322 Oh dear you have never been in London have you, in fact you probably haven't been out of your basement for years. If you have ever been to Windsor or flown over it on approach to Heathrow you would know how low the planes fly. You can't compare City airport to Heathrow, that is just incredibly dumb. Yes how tragic and cramped for those poor people who live in Kensington Palace who only the largest Royal Park in London with two lakes, it must be hellish.

R321 What on earth is Windsor Court? All prior Royals share Kensington? LOL Buckingham Palace and Clarence House are the other courts and Harry and MM are at BP. Have you been eating the lead out of your pencils again?

^^^^ who only "have" the largest royal park

I wonder what the Queen has up her sleeve now that she’s dealing with more of Meghan’s shenanigans and Trump’s upcoming visit.

[quote]' I never know what's really going on in this saga but I have been convinced for awhile that the real story is not what is being publicly presented. '

[quote]You don't say! You've only got 100 posts on every single thread to the effect, Skippie!

Actually, r306, I follow the royal threads for the laughs but I don't think I've posted much more than a dozen times on all of them, much less 100 posts on each. And I'm not a Skippie. Who are you and what is your agenda?

It may be the Harry Styles/Spazz troll, he is always on about Skippy on these threads. Best to block and not engage. His posting volume is quite large, think the tactic is called projection.

[quote] Have you been eating the lead out of your pencils again?

R325 thinks pencils have actual lead. Oh dear.

Block R330 and look at the post history.

The Sun seems to run a piece per day.

R331 Did you discover something interesting? Do tell.

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'Even though you don’t necessarily know the individual or the family, you share someone’s pain – because we all do. We all have families, we can all relate to it.’

The prince says the biggest lesson he had learned through his work was to talk about his issues.

Although William is not believed to have sought professional help like his brother, he has talked previously about speaking to colleagues, family and friends.

That’s the thing with mental health – we can all relate to it. We see it day-to-day around us... let’s talk about it. It would make a big difference,’ he says.

During the documentary, the guests – including football stars Thierry Henry, Danny Rose and Jermaine Jenas – make some ‘extraordinary revelations’ on everything from body image and depression, to the impact of career-ending injury.

It was filmed earlier this month at Cambridge United Football Club, which has pioneered several major mental health initiatives.

The prince says: ‘There needs to be a turning point where we can pass the message on to men everywhere that it’s ok to talk about mental health. We have to normalise the whole conversation.’

Prince William runs mental health campaign Heads Together with his wife Kate and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Hey I heard some foreign ( I think Italian) rag hired a private plane and flew over Harry's place and took pics, you could see the living areas, anyone seen the pics?

Did anyone watch the Gayle King special? How was it?

R239 At least Andrew stayed in the Navy for 20 some odd years. Harry should have stayed in the military.

I saw snippets of one of the interview and her friend said she's " low maintenance " ! LOL. What a joke. Everyone knows that's a lie!

Harry has to get the fuck out of the Navy coz he's a stupid fuck and it would be laughable if he stayed on for years and his rank stays the same.

[quote] [R325] thinks pencils have actual lead. Oh dear.

Well, they used to. Years and years ago. Perhaps r325 is an uninformed eldergay. We've got enough of them here.

She can pr puff til the cows come home. The superficial creature will still have to walk behind Kate every damn time. Every. Damn. Time. And someday, she'll even have to manage a curtsy to a Catherine, Princess of Wales, and eventually Queen Catherine. The rest is just noise. She married the second rate prince and she will find that harder to live with than we find watching her feed her inflated ego.

Holy shit. Is this the worst outfit Diana ever wore?

The irony of R340 calling anyone a stupid fuck when s/he thinks that “coz” is a word (it’s “because”, you simpleton) and was in the Navy (he wasn’t).

r323 her rank/title is also HRH Princess Henry of the UK and N. Ireland, although this is not used. Kate is HRH Princess William of the UK as well as Catherine, HRH Duchess of Cambridge.

Meg is officially Meghan, HRH the Duchess of Sussex, Countess of Dumbarton,Baroness Kilkeel.

R344, my mistake, I didn't follow his "career", guess he was in the Army then...whatever, my point being he's too stupid to advance, whichever branch of the military he was in.

I totally knew Gayle King was gonna be her PR spinner when Ms King was invited to the shower, I was thinking maybe even Oprah was giving Meghan advice via King, to improve her image etc.

yes, she's so hands on, she's knitting baby clothes as we speak and changing diapers...yeah, right lol.

The planes/flightpath can very loud and intrusive at Windsor, IME

"Spincess Meghan"

R343, no:

R350 Yikes I remember that one, even for the 80's that was bad. Please post some more if you have them

R334 R335 Thank you for sharing. I've always liked the fact William actually had a regular job and a tough one too. In the clip below you can really see he has his mother's baby blues. All hail King Alpha Dick William.

Ooh - More about Party Pieces being a front for Uncle Gary’s drug profits, PLEASE!

I'm excited for the wedding today! I hope there will be a fabulous Kent Tiara on display

Is there anything the HazBeans could do now to turn around the tide of public dislike? The PR attempts are preposterously bad and seem to make matters worse, eg the People article, the weeping makeup artist friend.

Sophie Wessex recovered, by years of hard graft and keeping her head down. But her faux pas was before the internet, plus she's British.

R355, not so fast, you gotta pay for that info. do your own fucking work! (just kidding)

She is a fame whore to the core. it's who she is, a fake fuck. Nothing she does will change my mind. Harry the dumb cunt deserves her.

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Well, R356, whatever they seem to do is having the opposite effect of what they must surely want - the good real estate, jewellery, titles. All I can think is they are trying to make themselves so obnoxious the BRF will give them a massive golden parachute to leave.

What I am asking is, is it too late for the HazBeans to turn it around?

The more I look at Prince William, the more I see a Spencer King. He looks like his maternal grandfather.

The old Earl

R357, how did Sophie ever manage to come back from that?

Men with male-pattern balding who embrace their baldness and shave it all off can be quite handsome, but poor Wills has that long, long face and would just look like an egg.

Will has been looking good lately.

I know a lot of Brits don't go in for nose jobs or even teeth whitening, but do you think W and H tried Rogaine or Propecia?

R361 I think that a lot of people have forgotten that this happened over time.

That woman in the orange dress is a knockout. Not only is the color perfect, the way the dress fits her is also rather perfect. And the hat is chic. She needs to give a certain someone the name and number of her tailor.

Another pic of orange dress lady.

R367 Who is that ho?

Janina Gavankar, an actress who is currently starring in the latest Stars Wars film.

R369 Thank you, she is very attractive, not a Star Wars nerd I'm afraid

At little bit of information about the bride today.

She has quite big tits. Her new husband is handsome.

No, me neither, R370. That was just a factoid I found while doing some superficial digging.

This is what Harry was trying to avoid with his lawsuit against the helicopter photos: Alex Rodriguez sitting on the toilet.Scroll down past the video to see the toilet shot. The monogramed towel is hilarious. Now Jlo and A-Rod are selling this apartment.

R372 Quite a few of the Windsor women have large baps and her mother Princess Pushy has quite the bosom

Baps! I love it.

R93 A second toe that is longer than the big toe means that a woman will boss her husband. I've never seen second toes as long as MM's.

R364, maybe Megs is slipping it into Harry's daily green smoothies she's making him drink.

Some pictures of William. In the one where he's holding the towel, I see a strong resemblance to Lady Gabriella. He also has great legs!

As long as we’re discussing Janina G (exactly WHY are we discussing her? Ask Sunshine Sachs), this tidbit is from her Wiki:

“Gavankar was the first actress to use Twitter, signing up on Richard Branson's computer on Necker Island in 2006.[37][38]”

Guess he slipped through her fingers...

R 380 Who is this bird?

William has the body of an athlete. I think the man is fine.

Another one of Yoko's really, really close friends (*cough*) who was at the wedding looking hot. She's not really anybody, she just happened to look fantastic in that orange dress and black hat.

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Jessica Mulroney, suddenly the epitome of sartorial restraint, must be thanking the heavens right now.

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The guests are arriving! Shall I start the cocktails?

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Pippa looks a lot like Wallis Windsor, at r387. Weird. The dress has too much going on.

Janina, you're a whore, darlin'.

So yeah, Pippa's dress is dreadful. Not a fan of the velvet Alice band. Carol looks good; she's wearing her go-to wedding uniform. James Middleton's French girlfriend looks pretty - that dress is a trip. I can see Yoko trying to wear that and failing miserably.

Now that I know my future ex-wife is a trashy ho bag I'm no longer interested.

Her hands must be greasy, Simon Cowell slipped through them too #Ho Bag

R389 Thank you for the live link, watching now and I'll have a whiskey sour please!

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I think Pippa's dress would look great on someone tall and willowy. Except for the neckline, I quite like it.

Yes, R396, except the French chick has a chin.

R398 Chin but no boobs. You win some, you lose some.

Whisky Sour coming up! I don;t know who these ladies are, but they are bringing the start of the hat game with them.

Brown Velvet Lady's sisters have arrived.

Wearing Irregular Choice shoes ,lol ^^^^

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Alizee's dress is nice, not a fan of the hat though. Pippa's gone all frumpy since she got married.

The lady in pink at R400 looks like she overdosed on Pepto and vomited up an entire rhinestone counter.

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Wow, I love the blue coat with the feathers on the hem. At first I thought it was She Who Shall Not Be Named and I said to myself, "Dayyyyum, that is the best she's EVER looked!" Then I realized it wasn't Her. Harry looks happy.

R406 And Beatrice brought whatshisname I see

Harry just doesn't do underwear, does he?

That's too bad, love rat at R393; her wedding dress was already picked out.

Whatizname looks like my lesbian cousin.

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Carole Middleton looks great as always.

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Yes Pippa i think has a special shop where she is going for her clothes when she has to attend a Wedding .

Carole Middleton has a beautiful turn of foot. Pippa walks like Yoko.

Mother of the bride at R412 is showing why "mother of the bride" is used disparagingly.

Whoa Bea does look sexed up and the dress is awesome. I guess Eduardo is a good influence.

Bea actually looks good! That dress is delightful on her. Is that her sex doll walking next to her?

R400 the lady in pink looks like Maria Teresa, Grand Duchess of Luxembourg

Unfortunate length of dress for Princess Michael, I'm afraid.

The DM live link is so good, but why change the headline to include Markle? I hope they pull that off when HM arrives.

Disappointed in Pcss Michael. No elegance at all.

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Beatrice looks amazing. Love that dress, think whatshisname is good for her

R424 that's hilarious! Bordering on stalking!

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What on EARTH is that optical shit show Princess Michael has got on? OMG - that's one of the ugliest fucking things I've ever SEEN.

Love Sophie Winkelman's outfit!!! Princess Anne looks like an elderly air hostess ca. 1975.

Ms. Michael has the cankles of a dray horse.

Good to see Phillip there, too.

Anyone know why the Queen and Phillip are there? I thought they weren't that close with the family.

Unity in these troubled times, maybe R433

I am deeply troubled by the support on this thread for Sophie Winkleman's schizophrenic flapper outfit.

R 434 Very good point. Blood is thicker than water

R435 made me laugh out loud and then hang my head in shame because I really like that outfit!

Follows R437 to the corner.

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DM not allowing comments on the article for some reason. It's been up for over an hour and still only 1 comment showing. I wonder why?

Harry is there, he really would turn up to the opening of an envelope these days. Wonder if he will upstage the bride in some way

R439 Is that the The Kent City of London Fringe Tiara! I hope so, she looks beautiful

This is the seventh royal wedding at Windsor during HM's reign, she has attended every single one of them, apparently. But I like the "unity" idea, very much.

I hope Harry goes to the evening reception and gets absolutely WASTED.

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The bride looks stunning, can't wait to see the full dress.

Well, at least Harry didn't show up wearing a maternity coat and clutching his abdomen. That's a good sign.

R439 She looks beautiful!

I'm tipsy! This was a great idea, I'm loving this live wedding party in the thread!

She looks radiant. Such joy in that lovely face.

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Now I've seen Prince Michael's tie, and the bouquet, I can't understand that dreadful colour on Princess Michael at all.

FWIW the DM is shitty AF. They have images of the bride below the pictures of Harry in their coverage. And he gets the headline.

It's her wedding, but she will not drive clicks the way he does.

Why are the Middleton’s there?

The neckline is perfect for her. Soft and delicate, and graceful.

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R454 Family friends of the groom

I know R453, I'm waiting for my comments to load, but they are being moderated. Quelle Surprise.

Another bride who really shouldn't be wearing a veil.

The bride and her father on the steps of St George's Chapel.

R453 Yep. They mention Harry & Meghan in the headline & have numerous pictures of him above not only the bride but the Queen too. Extremely annoying

R456 She is stunning! I love the dress and her Kent City of London Fringe Tiara. Though I'm very disappointed with her mothers attire. I suspected so much more from her. Maybe she'll look better in evening attire.

Prince Michael looks like one of the Czars.

I see Pippa has stolen her sister Kate's look with the band around her head.

Freddie Windsor looks like a coke whore.

R437 R438 The Express says it's one of the best dresses. Make of that what you will.

R453 Ugh I wish Harry wasn't there, he's not even close to the family and I don't think Gabriella was invited to his wedding. He probably threw a tantrum to get invited so his face was in the paper and one again the Harkles try and fuck with a cousins wedding.

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R467 Agreed. He knew he'd get the headlines. He's as big an attention whore as his wife

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A video of the arrivals. The wedding dress is by Luisa Beccaria.

R463 he looks like Tsar Nicholas II and and King George V. Interestingly Prince Michael of Kent speaks fluent Russian and has strong ties there especially with charity work. He attended the 1998 burial of the Tsar and his family in St Petersburg and does charitable work there too. I think Gabriella speaks Russian and Spanish too

I'm sorry but Bug Eyed Bea's dress is a disaster. There's so much going on with it that I don't know where to look. I will call it the "Euro Trash" look.

The groom Thomas Kingston looked dashing in his suit.

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I imagine Harry's glad to have a reason to get out of the house. Being cooped up at home with a newborn and a type-A wife is trying.

I think Bea's dress is extremely flattering, it makes her look taller and slimmer.

St George's Chapel seems like a much nicer wedding venue than Westminster Abbey. The exterior looks so lovely. Westminster Abbey is so big that it would feel impersonal (not that St George's is exactly tiny!).

Oooh, he's a dish, R474.

Love the floral arrangement outside the chapel. A far cry from MeGain's Las Vegas style white bloom arches.

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What was Fat Fergie thinking when she looked in the mirror?

She may have forgotten to look in the mirror, R482, depending on how many cocktails she drank while dressing.

We've all been there R483

Bless, you can see the finger marks where Fergie has pulled at the fabric as she got out of the car, lol.

The bride Lady Gabriella can sure wear a big hat.

Fergie has a knack for choosing the wrong colours and cuts of anything she wears.

Edo looks about 10!

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Princess Michael seems to be retaining a lot of water in her legs and doesn’t seem too steady on her feet.

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Fergie and Princess Michael used the same mirror to dress in, and shared several pitchers of martinis while doing so.

R493 I concur.

R482 I think I can see Fergie's mons pubis. She really is a loveable train wreck.

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The guy in the tartan pants looks spiffy

He looks familiar, too.

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The detailing on the wedding dress is gorgeous. Anyone know who made it (too lazy to google)?

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R500 - the wedding dress designer is Luisa Beccaria.

'They mention Harry & Meghan in the headline & have numerous pictures of him above not only the bride but the Queen too.'

As it should be! Harry and Meghan will always get top billing in the press, above William and Kate.

R503 - delusional moron be gone!

Oh, for fuck's sake. Here we go. Another thread ruined.

R 502 The wedding dress is spectacular. Fits perfectly too! I love Luisa Beccaria

Prince Michael of Kent looks like he's in pain even when he's smiling.

Thank you, r502.

MM has such mean eyes and a smile like a shark.

Luisa seems to have that prairie-style chic going on with a lot of her pieces.

The detailing on the wedding dress and the bridesmaids dresses look impeccable.

I love the Kent City of London Fringe Tiara! Gabriella wears it well, she is so tall and statuesque

Quite aside from the little attendants' outfits, that is the whitest wedding I ever saw. No hellfire preachers or gospel choirs to be found.

The Queen of Greece is at the wedding. Do you think she pops over to Windsor to visit Philip?

Interview in Tatler with the dress designer.

I did not realize the wedding dress was blush. From the pictures it looks white.

R513 Their families are really close, they lived in London for quite some time and are all godparents for each others children

The ex King of Greece is Prince William's Godfather

The newlyweds seal the deal with a kiss. Lady Gabriella is in her late thirties so if she wants children she'll have to get pregnant soon.

The Queen with Harry.

Gabriella wore the same tiara as her grandmother Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent did on her wedding day.

She's asking Harry, "Is the whore here?"

Harry looks like the drunk uncle the family cleans up for special occasions.

Oh Marie-Christine! What is THAT you're wearing?

Photos here of the bride's hairstyle under her veil. It reminds me of Empress Sissi of Austria.

R519 I see Harry is doing what Meghan does, inserting himself for the photo op to look like he is besties with the Queen and once again taking the spotlight away form the bride. He's learnt well from his wife.

Anne and her husband Timothy arrived with Prince Edward. Anne is quite jaunty.

Newlywed smiles.

Jaunty is the perfect word to describe Anne.

That wedding dress is drop dead gorgeous, and she wears it perfectly.

The blond page boy is bored.

Or maybe he's just having a chat with his grandmother R525? It would be odd not to acknowledge her after all. I'm not a royalist but people need to remember these are a family so sometimes they are going to interact with each other like a family.

Groom is hawt. Love the dress.

In the second photo of Harry and the Queen, he looks like he is babbling and she is ignoring him tbh

R532 I agree, Thomas is very attractive.

Princess Michael erred. It’s not her best color and that’s all I’ll say.

And ditto re Fergie. She looked fabulous at the Sussex wedding, though.

Gabriella looked perfect.

Princess Michael needed a much longer hemline. And a much larger hat.

And MANY more jewels!

Besides the hideous outfit, Princess Michael looks unwell, she's retaining a lot of fluid in her legs and wasn't very mobile.

Aside from the bride and the Queen, I’m not impressed by any other outfits.

Agree, r533. Also, in the photos of him walking in with Sophie Winkleman he seemed to be chattering away like a coke whore while she looked like she merely was trying to be polite.

That coat on Princess Michael looks wretched but I've never thought she had much taste.

Not even the blue one with the feathers at the bottom the love for which many of us are now standing in a corner?

Is Amelia Windsor wearing... espadrilles?

The bride and groom with their attendants. The dress is gorgeous.

So many of the men are wearing striped or patterned trousers. Is this something that would be specified on the invitation or is it just the current style?

R542 - I think the redhead child on the right is Freddie's daughter and the bride's niece, Maud Windsor.

Oh my. What a guy!

Is it me or does the groom have very wide, feminine hips???

Wow, the coverage in the DM is most satisfying. What a fashion parade. My thoughts:

-The bride is exquisite. The gown is beautiful and tasteful, with lovely artful details. A+. (And I'm so thankful the long trend of boob-baring strapless bridal gowns seems to be over.)

-The Middleton family was well turned out. Pippa's dress was great, and James' girl had a successful artsy dress

- Princess Mike- oh dear. Disappointing.

- Lady Melons looked unusually dowdy

-Fergie was Fergie. I'm glad she was invited.

- Edo! I think his attendance is significance. Now that is one Royal Wedding I await with great anticipation!

- Sophie Winkleman, took me a bit to understand why she had such prominent placement. She looked good.

- Thank the lord Meghan wasn't there (wise decision all around), though her absence and Harry's presence did dominate the headlines. As usual, Harry looked much more relaxed without her.

- The flowers at the church were just stunning, much better than the Harkle wedding. There is a photo of a woman in an intense blue-purple floral dress, straightening the bride's gown on the steps. She's unidentified, but I love the dress.

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Don't know about that, R546, but his posture isn't the greatest. Still dreamy, though.

Lots of photos from different angles here.

Oh dear - in r549 it's clear that Gabriella only got veneers on her front teeth....

The wedding party are all flowing nicely down the steps. Well done.

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The bride and groom are all aglow.

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r552 She looks great for someone ten years younger. And no plastic surgery.

Fergie ‘s dress reminds me of Oprah’s dress at the Harkle wedding. Both looked like pink hippos

St George's Chapel has been busy with royal weddings.

Ok, ok R350. You win!

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Still love the French girl vibe and dress. I also looked Princess Anne.

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In r557 we can really see how substandard MM's dress was. The other two are so much better. Eugenie's being the most stately, and Gabriella's being the most flattering.

I like James’ girl’s dress but not with that hat. And her hair looks a mess.

Harry looks normal. Doesn't look like he's losing any sleep changing diapers or tending to crying baby...Hands on Meghan must be doing all the work LOL.

Re R400 's pic- I hate that look of long straight hair with sausage curls at the end, and a fascinator plunked on top at an angle. So cheap and sloppy.

R543 That is usually morning wear for men.

Eugenie probably looked her best at her wedding, but she certainly did not compare to Kate or Gabriella.

Agree, R567.

I can imagine Eugenie being very conscious to stay away if she is pregnant, as the press would only scrutinize her tummy! Especially after what Yoko did. So maybe a sign that she is, indeed, pregnant.

Ella has a long neck. She's a tall and statuesque woman.

Leaving the church.

Her gums are also receding, R570. But that probably has nothing to do with her neck.

Hey, where is Eugenie?

More thoughts:

-Lady Amelia Windsor's pink confection is iffy, but I think I like it

-At R456 is the electric blue-purple spring fantasy dress and hat I mentioned. It's a trip! Would like to see it from another angle.

- Anne's outfit is nice, just a little hard-edged.

- Seeing Meghan's wedding photos reminds me how irritated I was by the ill-fitting gown, the underwhelming flowers, and most of all the messy hair. I do understand, though, that she was making a statement of sorts: I'm a Princess, bitches, but I'm also LA Casual.

-Don't get the hate for Pippa's dress, the color and details are lovely and she wears it well. I do get the Wallis comparisons, though.

The incomplete veneers are so distracting

Ella has the look of her aunt Princess Alexandra of Kent. Anyone see a photo of Alexandra yet?

Link to the next thread. Please post on this one until about 600.

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I guess Ella will now be known as Lady Gabriella Kingston. Not bad.

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Just read that she is to wear FOUR dresses today! All by the same designer. I hope we get to see them.

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R580 - I believe the lady with the different color shoes is James Ogilvy's wife Julia. The other woman in the flower dress may be their daughter Flora.

Really hard to believe Anne isn't a bull dyke. She's the most masculine gust at that wedding.

Notice how separate and apart Harry seems in r580's photo.

^ the other woman beside her wearing the purple Spanish style dress is Flora.

R584 - Anne is AMUSED.

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That should be "Anne" at R588

R580 I see Harry is eyeing his prey, the Queen, for a photo op for all the Stans. He already got his photo op with Prince Phillip who probably has no idea who he is, now for the money shot.

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Bride looks fantastic - completely agree with the poster upthread that Gabriellla's dress shows just how bad Meghan's dress was. Fitted beautiful, feminine but not fussy, veil perfect length, hair perfect. Everything is just perfect.

Very disappointing show from Pss. Michael - Mrs Middleton and the Queen look better.

But frock horror again from poor Beatrice. Words fail me.

As usual, varied members of the aristocracy show how detached they are from reality - oh, let's say, fabled English eccentricity.

I have to say, I liked Pippa's ensemble, although I didn't like the pieces separately. But the overall look worked and marriage and motherhood have softened her appealingly.

The bride was quite elegant.

R588 - Gee, Frightening Freddie looks frightful.

The guy in the tartan trousers looks familiair to me too . Who is he ? TIA

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I’m amazed that this is dawning on me only now, but – no Kate and William. I’m sure it doesn’t mean anything ominous, but one always wonders the reasoning behind these things.

It's hard to believe it but let me proceed to name the Queen one of the best dressed at the wedding.

R598 She looks great in pink. I'm not a hat person but I'm liking this hat on her.

The Gloucester family.

And no Charles and Camilla either, r597

All right then, R577. I was taken with the intense colors and willing to allow elbow room for eccentricities but - Touché

R597 It's FA cup day so no William.

Kate, Meghan and Eugenie would have all generated too much attention away from the bride IMO. It's best none of them attend.

William is at the FA Cup, of which he is the patron. Odd about Freddie Windsor. He was a beautiful child and a handsome young man. Now he looks like Marty Feldman.