British Royal Family Gossip: Part 48

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I'm still awed that she announced earlier than 12-weeks to upstage a bride. Tacky bitches never change.

The BRF should just let MM give birth on the Mall, with plebs cheering on, the pillow will drop there at once. It's quite detrimental to her state of mind to give birth in private.

If Meghan ends up having a home birth at this stage, it means she isn't nearly as far along as people are guessing. If she's where they say she is (41 weeks or so), they'll be inducing her and the wait won't be much longer.

California dreaming.

BILLY WAS BOOED!

Are we headed for a republic?

Discuss!

anti-war folks boo any and everyone

Everyone was booed by the “no nukes” protesters outside as they entered the service for the submarine corp, which is where the Brits store their nukes.

He was booed by anti-nuclear activists. Not because of of the stupid Rose rumors.

Will Harry give the royal life the heave ho?

Discuss!

R596 from previous thread: If you leave the baby in way past the due date, the baby can get too big to give birth to. Yeah, many women are too posh to push, but C-sections are major abdominal surgery and has risks. Also, past the due date, the placenta and amniotic fluid decrease and can’t support the baby. The baby can also take a shit inside you, resulting in meconium poisoning.

R10 - Only with splinters from the porch railings under their fingernails. Without their royal cachet, they're both nobodies, no matter what that thrid-rate grifter from L.A. tells herself.

Are others having trouble posting?

It sounds like Meghan and Harry are actively pursuing ways to get out from under the constraints of the BRF. Now it's a home in LA allegedly to be near her beloved mother. I assume this will be privately paid. How will the British react to Meghan wanting a bolt-hole?

It may comfort DL to know that if she's been a huge pain to her doctor (or midwife, or crystal healer, or whatever is delivering the frogling) it's possible that they'll opt to rupture her membrane using an amnihook; a foot-long amnihook which is unwrapped in her line of sight. It isn't painful but it does cause some women to gasp when they see it.

Such vague language! A "bolt hole." Will "retreat from royal life." Hazbean can do whatever the fuck they want but if they leave royal life, they need to leave. No more taxpayer funds for security, travel, PR, clothing, housing etc. etc. I'm sure HM, Charles and the high level courtiers all understand this but I wonder if Harry does? He was the one pissing and moaning a few years ago about none of them even wanting to be king boo hoo hoo. Something tells me that ginger dimbulb doesn't have the slightest clue what life outside the bubble (and public funds for his lifestyle) would actually be like. Mega would have a much easier time of civilian life, because like it or not those two could make BANK selling their story, being celebs, making appearances etc. Played right, America would be slobbering all over the ginge and cringe's bits. Fame is what Megs wants. That way they get it, minus the royal funds but minus RF interference in her 'be as famous as possible at all times' project.

And the gossip would be really great. I hope they do it and we get to watch their marriage implode in public and on social media without the courtesy veil the deferential UK press affords the RF. I think the marriage is doomed anyway, but leaving the RF would just make it even more car crashy.

I believe that Eugenie may be 'up the duff' and in early stages of pregnancy, but she's waiting until the right time to announce it.

In my fantasies that time will be within hours of the Sussex spawn-birth announcement - knocking the HazBean family off the front pages of the UK tabs and taking the wind out of their sails. An eye for an eye, as they say.

[quote]The baby can also take a shit inside you, resulting in meconium poisoning.

More than I ever wanted to know about late pregnancy but I appreciate the info nonetheless.

R17, the British public don't really care about Fugenie. Meghan is far more interesting. I'm sure Harry will buy a place in LA for them to use but I doubt they'll move there permanently.

R17 - I second that!

So many Megxiteers on here. Crazy Skippy fraus.

"Exiting royal life" is a splendid idea - especially if the Cambridges would seriously consider yet another baby. Kate certainly wears pregnancy well. Which do you suppose Smegs envies more? The graceful figure or the sparkling jewels?

https://www.hellomagazine.com/fashion/news/2018021858806/kate-middleton-baftas-2018-diamond-emerald-earrings/

R17 - that would be delicious! lol

Re: “retiring from the royal family” bit; H&M may think they could do like the Duke & Duchess of Windsor did - keep the titles the fans fawn over, and just do their own thing. H supposedly has between $20-30 million between the trust Diana had her father create for him, and what he inherited from Diana herself. But, I doubt the palace would go for that. I don’t know if the conditions to leave the BRF for H&M would be as severe as those laid out for Princess Margaret when she wanted to leave to marry Capt Townsend, but they’d def have to give up a lot. I’m not sure MM would go for being Mrs Megan Windsor after being HRH Princess Henry of Wales, the Duchess of Sussex.

I still find it so odd how closely on many fronts Harry’s life is mirroring how it was portrayed in the play “King Charles III”.

Please tell more, #23, for those of us who haven't seen King Charles III.

Gawd is R21 a study in tedium--no imagination and the spontaneity of a bot.

In the meantime Megalomaniac is trapped behind closed doors with a ginger fool of limited intelligence. The eyes never lie. You can see she is beyond bored listening to Dim submit his fumbled word in edgewise.

"I still find it so odd how closely on many fronts Harry’s life is mirroring how it was portrayed in the play “King Charles III”.

SO true! Aside from the fact that the Harry character gets besotted by a young working-class black woman, I was annoyed at how dumb and rebellious he was made out to be. Thought it was insulting to him, just couldn't be. Well....

R25, you clearly are a MEGXITEER, which is why you find a two sentence post 'tedious'. You probably believe she's about to give birth to a pillow.

There’s nothing more tedious than posters who complain about how other posters are tedious. I’m sure you’re just a firecracker, r25.

R25 is Skippy.

For us new people, please, who the FUCK is this skippy person!??

R24 - the play, which is written in blank verse, opens right after the Queen’s funeral and we’re introduced to the players - Charles & Camilla; William & Catherine; and, Harry. Harry’s story is he’s the “lost soul” - a hard partier, with no direction, no role, he has abandonment issues, feeling jealous of his brother. He randomly meets a black social activist, and finally feels like he has someone just for him. The new girlfriend eventually convinces Harry he could be and do so much more, that he’s being held back by his family, he needs to stand up to them. Harry’s conflicted, but eventually does tell his father, and his father agrees to let him leave the family and become Harry Windsor. He’s happy for about a minute, but as much he moaned about wanting a normal life, he’s realizing he can’t hake it. Last act, Harry is more or less forced by his own spineless nature, and his brother, to abandon the girlfriend and rejoin the family.

Charles is portrayed as a pure idealist, convinced of the absolute righteousness of his opinions, decisions.

Camilla is portrayed as his the one who bucks-up Charles, has absolute loyalty to the monarchy and him, even if she is not 100% convinced his is entirely correct.

William is portrayed as weak and indecisive. Always looking to make everyone happy, reluctant to contradict anyone or express any opinion.

Catherine is portrayed as the strong willed, determined, backbone of the family. Calculated and cunning, she’s the one who goes and makes the alliances and deals with the politicians to protect her son’s position and forces William to go along, who in turn forces Harry to go along.

It was a fantastic play, and the similarities from 2014 to now is fascinating, at least to me.

R30, Skippy is an insane tinhat who runs a blog on which she posts about Meg being in custody for high treason (faking a pregnancy). She is skippyisheretostay on Tumblr. She calls herself and the other Meg haters Megxiteers, a play on Brexiteers.

Skippy's blog. Some insanely funny posts from this mentally ill, 80 yr old frau.

The fact that Skippy is batshit crazy doesn't make Meghan any less of a cunt or the Megstans any less idiotic.

Why are people who admire her spirit and cuteness 'idiotic', Kate troll? Stop trying to police the damn thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You like bland Stepford wives who've never worked a day in their lives, but not everybody does.

Not policing anything, just looking down upon your taste. You find it "spirited" and "cute" that she intruded upon a princesses wedding, or tried to insert herself into the Prince of Wales' Investiture ceremony, or threw a tantrum because she wanted access to the Queen's jewels. The rest of us find it tacky and presumptuous. She doesn't know any better apparently, being as how she acts as though raised in a barn - and obviously you don't either. She's as regal as a Kardashian. "Real Housewives of Toad Hall" and all that.

We can agree to disagree.

R25, if only she'd been there for his spiel about turning off the lights.

[quote]they could do like the Duke & Duchess of Windsor did - keep the titles the fans fawn over, and just do their own thing.

Except that Wallis never got an HRH, which was endless source of bitterness between Edward VIII and his brother. Edward made George pay through the nose to buy Sandringham and Balmoral, which had passed to him as private residences of the Monarch and had to be bought from him personally to be kept within the BRF.

R31, an excellent summation of the play Charles III which did indeed turn out to be eerily prescient.

Ugh, R36. This tabloid gossip and youtube body language analysis is so boring. MM is entertaining because she's so blatantly a grifter who knew exactly how to seal the deal with the dim Harry while at the same time inflicting her banana-based humanitarianism on the world. I'm looking forward to the inevitable scandals, divorce, and tell-alls. Such fun!

Someone in the previous thread mentioned how beautiful Diana's clothes were up close and in person. The same was true of Jackie Kennedy. On television and in newspapers she was always in black and white, and of course simple designs, but in magazines and in person her clothes were vibrant and colorful and so, so beautifully made.

R36, away with your 'the rest of us' crap. There are several posters here who find MM interesting and charming. Lots of gay men love a diva.

You really underestimate Eugenie if you think she was perturbed by Meghan announcing her pregnancy two days after the wedding. Eugenie was lucky to get a televised wedding. She's not even on the Civil List anymore.

Tantrums over jewels (if true) are hilarious, and who gives a fuck about the investiture.

Oh, Megan sure gave a fuck about the investiture all right! The humiliated look on her face when she was shut out? Priceless. And she - supposed to be an actress.

It doesn't look like she was 'shut out' to me, Skippy. She's there in all the pictures. It's not good for the soul to hate someone you've never met as much as you hate the Duchess of Sussex.

I am binge-watching The Windsors again. Even though season 2 was produced quite some time ago, it too was eerily prescient re MM. Wish season 3 would be forthcoming.

Did you not see the video? It's only been linked a dozen times. William scoffs "not allowed" and Charles cuts her off. Then the courtiers rush in to bundle her out of the way. Quelle amusement!

~Not Skippy. There are lots of people who dislike Megan - and many of us actually started out wanting to like her and just can't get past the tacky.

Oh, get off it, R43. You're a fucking twit. This is an acknowledged "Duchess Yoko is a turd" thread.

Thanks R38! I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds the similarities eerie!

BTW, I also posted that bit about Wallis & Edward. You’re 100% - Wallis never received the HRH, she was only ever officially “Her Grace, the Duchess of Windsor”. But, Edward did have their servants refer to her as HRH, as did most of their American friends. Even Hitler gave instructions on their visit to Germany to have her referred to as HRH.

Edward made himself out to be destitute upon abdication, and George never thought to ask for proof. He should have. Edward was able to get a share of King George V’s estate off his brother, as well as getting bought out of Sandringham and Balmoral. All told, Edward got a tax free lump sum of about £300K, which would translate to about $20 million in 2019. He also managed to get a yearly allowance of £21K tax free for life. What George VI didn’t know was that Edward had squirreled away over £1.5 million from his income from the Duchy of Cornwall - that would be worth almost $100 million today. All this came from the George VI’s own resources, which were limited when he came to the throne - the government was adamant that no funds from the Civil List make its way to Edward.

Once everything was signed, and Edward had his money, George VI found out he had been duped. He didn’t let on, and got Edward to agree never to return to British soil unless invited by the government. He then unilaterally revised the annual allowance so Edward only received the same as his siblings for giving up “life interests” in Sandringham and Balmoral, which was less than half what Edward was getting.

Once George VI died, due in large part to their German sympathies during the War, Elizabeth II was advised not to continue any payments to Edward. He was incensed. When EII visited him in Paris right before his death, he did ask her to take care of Wallis, and she did settle an allowance on her for the rest of her life from the Queen’s own funds.

It was Diana Mitford who prevailed upon her sister, the Duchess of Devonshire, to get the BRF to get involved with Wallis in her latter years when she was bedridden, suffering from dementia. Diana suspected the Duchess’ French lawyer was taking advantage as power of attorney, but the BRF as her only family - by blood or by law - could intervene. The DoD felt uncomfortable doing so, given the history between Wallis and the BRF, so sadly nothing was done. Diana actually was right as it turned out, she even said something like Wallis would’ve been better off with a nice understanding doctor who would have helped her slip away versus the one her lawyer had attending who did everything to extend Wallis’ life even though there was no quality to it.

R46, no it isn't. There are several Meg fans here. You want to be the thread boss, but again and again you come up against dissenters. I think you should start another thread entitled Meghan Markle Hate Club or something.

Once again - many gay men adore ambitious, tantrum throwing, good looking divas. The Hollywood actress who married a prince was always going to be popular here.

I think a lot of royals are waiting for the queen to pop her clogs, as it would solve so many pesky problems, as well as creating some new ones, eg slimmed down monarchy and a less popular monarch.

On this thread, the number of people who loathe her far outnumber her fans. If I were a fan, I'd want to hang with other fans, so I don't understand why those of you who admire her are even here.

I wish they'd skip fusty Charles and go straight to William. The UK has had an ageing monarch for 30 years already, and after Liz dies we're getting another one. William will be 60 by the time he gets to the throne at this rate.

R50, R50 - you shouldn't be surprised if gay men like her! If you're so butthurt, hot foot it over to the Megxiteer blogs on Tumblr. The fraus there will welcome you and your hate with open arms.

Oh, that's fantastic! Butt hurt? Honey, I'm not butt hurt. I was curious, and I asked a question. Simple. And I've been on DL for about 15 years, so I'm not going anywhere.

This picture of the 3 wedding dresses was posted on the last thread.

But, what strikes me about it, is Sparkle's laser like focus on the camera. Very telling and looking at her here, I was reminded of some old movie about a widower and his son where the boy's comment about one of the father's recent girlfriends - "She has mean eyes." In the movie, every time thereafter that the woman shows up, the son, much to his father's dismay, makes this squinting eyes gesture.

Sparkle could play Cruella De Ville.

I find it so entertaining that she enchanted Harry and is now trying to throw her weight around with the fusty royals, and falling out with android Kate. Let's hope for smitten Harry's sake that she sticks around for a few years.

Btw, the young royals don't go to Mustique anymore for winter sun, they head off to the spectacular Maldives islands.

That dress looks as if it was made for a 5ft 8 woman, it's all bunched at the bottom. She couldn't have the clingy column dress she really wanted.

Of course she knows where to look for the camera, she is an actress, and a good one.

Clearly there's a lot of drinking and smoking going on out there tonight.

R54 Someone called her out in the previous thread for smizing for her life in that dress comparison photo. Iirc she did it throughout the ceremony, too.

Laser focus is right, in more ways than one. I think this woman is as basic as basic gets but goddamn did she win the prize she set her sights on.

R57 needs to vary their writing style a little, and not be so obviously weirdly hostile about random minor royals they imagine to be competitors to their adored object. I don't think anyone here gives a fuck about Eugenie but ol' 57 has to keep on with 'Fugenie' etc. because... liking Megs means disliking everyone else? I think? Or pretending that everyone who doesn't like Meg is simply fuelled by a deep and abiding love of Yuge or Kate or Wills or whoever. I don't particularly like any of the royals (except HM) but Meghan is an empty vessel of smize, fueled solely by attention.

I dare you, R57, to coherently outline why you like Meghan without referring to anyone else or any other posters here.

R59, she went to private schools and has a degree, how basic can she be? You act as if she was dragged up in a trailer and dropped out of school at 14.

R45, did Wills scoff "Not allowed" or did he just let her know what the protocol was? Armchair analysis of body language and barely heard whispers = on your way to tinhat town.

R60, I like her because she is intelligent, charismatic and a good actress. I liked her in Suits a lot.

Why would I want to refer to 'other posters'? You are so pressed and so odd.

They were more than barely heard whispers. Somebody (on one of the other threads) with high powered headphones listened to it and translated it for the rest of us.

You must have been off that day.

I think M was conflicted about marrying Harry and could just as easily have backed off. She could leave the BRF at any time if she gets bored of Harry or feels trapped and frustrated.

R44, I love the Windsors! So slapsticky but they land a lot of sharp cuts. I'd love a series 3 in which they recalibrate Pippa (keep the golddigging, drop the femme fatale bit) and go after Kate more. The MM stuff writes itself.

'High powered headphones'? You are absurd. Typical tinhattery.

Skippy for sure had the high powered headphones.

Bitch, just because you can't keep up with shit doesn't mean...oh, never mind. You're an unpleasant individual, and I'm not dealing with you.

If you need to know what basic is, R61, read a Tig post. Or watch a youtube video in which she makes toast.

I can't decide what would be worse - if MM bails on the BRF or if she sticks around. If she bails, she will be in our faces til the end of time à la the Kardashians. If she remains, she would eventually dial down the outrageous behaviour, having been schooled by a number of royal smackdowns. But she'd still be there.

R62 - where’s this video? Everyone talking about it, what William may or may not have said, Meghan’s reaction, etc. has me curious to take a gander.

I doubt this will even get read or seen BUT it strikes me that whenever a scheming, skinny, brunette grifter gets involved with the Royal Family disaster follows for the nation..... Anne Boleyn- The Great Divorce followed by The Dissolution Wallis Simpson- The Abdication followed by Word War 2 Meghan Markle - TBA....

The invisible R73 here again. I meant WoRld War 2 obviously. Although in this age, Markle's PR flunkies are engaged in a Word War

Yep, Skippy, R73, you were spazzing on about Anne Boleyn on your blog earlier today. Boleyn, like Katherine Howard, was a victim of Henry VIII's syphilis fuelled, paranoid rages. He was the one greedy for the monasteries' wealth, not Boleyn. And Adolf Hitler precipitated WW2, not Wallis.

Thanks for popping in and proving just how ugly, demented and misogynistic the Meghan haters are.

Here you go, R72. The part to be minutely analyzed starts around 1:58. The most interesting aspect is the lunacy of fandom/non-fandom.

Especially for R585.

"Okay, okay – you’re about to get crazy excited."

"Honey, you deserve it."

For R72

Rather than go through all this again, pull up the British Royal Family Part 43 thread.

There is a long discussion on this topic, and someone used headphones to decipher what is being said.

Look at R137 on that thread. There is also a link to the video.

Nothing happens! He was smiling at them. How ridiculous. Meghan and Harry were careful to stay behind Kate and Wills.

So she ran a blog about heathy food. Hardly a reason to pour unbridled scorn on her. You act as if she was posing half naked on IG like a Kardashian.

They shouldn't have been there, though R79, it was for the Prince of Wales, the future Prince of Wales, their spouses and the Queen. Meghan and Hazza should have been sitting awaiting them, in the concert room, with Anne and the rest of the gang. They hijacked the photo call . For all things Prince of Wales....which has nowt to do with them.

R80, no I'm not, I was giving someone a taste of MM's recipes. Simples. At least I didn't post the " How To Throw an Oscar Party" section.

R81, how do you know they shouldn't have been there? Plenty of traditions have changed recently, including gender being a non issue in the line of succession. You're just making up stories.

Good to see that other thread with you arguing with Meghan fans. I thought I was supposed to be the only one?

There is some foul infestation here. I can always tell when the Duchess Yoko fans descend, because the air becomes thick with stench.

'For all things Prince of Wales, which has nothing to do with them...' Harry is his son, of course he wanted him there. You are ridiculous.

'Descend', Skippy? We're here all the time. You lie and say you've blocked us, but you don't, because you know that if you did, you'd be left talking to yourself.

R80 I reserve the right to scorn a D-list celeb's profile-raising, patronizing blog. You scorn whatever you please.

Yep, I scorn Android Kate's refusal to ever earn an honest penny. She's the ultimate freeloader. At least Megs financed her own lifestyle and had a successful career.

Did anyone expect Will and Harry to settle down with nice, honest women?

There are no Meghan Markle fans in Windsor.

William did settle down with a nice honest woman. Harry didn't. "Pressed" is a term used by women of color to describe a person who is upset about something. Usually used by those with lower educational levels.

Five decades of Prince Phillip's gaffes.

At 2:50 " People think that there is a rigid class system here but Dukes have been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans." "

R79 Nothing happens?! Did you not see the page sprinting fervently to catch Harry and Meghan and take them aside? Did you not hear Charles order them to stay right by the door and William bark “Not Allowed” or tell Camilla “she’s doing it for attention” followed by Camilla replying “how awkward”? Once in the recital room, Meghan is blinking maniacally. It was so bizarre, especially the page running. She made a damn fool of herself and her dimwit husband. Any imbecile knew that the whole purpose of the walkthrough was to get an iconic photo of the PoW, the future PoW and the Queen together examining the artifacts. The Sussexes sabotaged that.

For those of you who haven't seen the video and what was said listen again, I was the original poster and I didn't have headphones, my daughter just happened to be watching and instead of looking at H and MM she was watching William. There was someone who put on headphones and heard more but just turn up the sound. At about 2:23 William realises what Haz and Markle are up to and tries to get Kate's attention At 2:34 Camilla is on to Megs and starts whispering to William, can't hear all Wills says back but you can hear him say ...to get attention. Then Wills pretends to be interested and point but you can clearly hear Camiila say it's so awkward

R88 Yes, Meghan earned a living...on her back, legs spread wide. She only got a break in showbiz because her dad was connected. Since then, men have opened doors for her because they were fucking her. Nothing honest about any of her dollars and her “career” is hardly anything to write home about. Half of LA has had that lowly level of entertainment career.

Also in the video at about 2:07 Charles is talking to MM and then says something to her that makes her face completely change from fake smile to pissed not long after this William says "not allowed"

Markle has never paid rent in her life. Grifted, drifted and buoyed through life on a sea of cock.

R91, Kate hung around for a decade waiting for the ultimate prize= being wife to the heir to the heir to the throne. Just because Meghan is accused of being a grifter (maybe she is, I don't know) does not mean mean that Kate has been a goody two-shoes.

So many Megastans on here pretending they are gay men, calling other people Fraus and Skippy and sometimes if they are being really clever, Trump supporters forgetting that many posters on here don't live in America and therefore didn't vote for your Orange leader. Please go away!

R98 What exactly is your point? Yes we know Kate hung around for years, hence the name Waity Katie, this is old news! unlike your fearless leader, egg hater and faux humanitarian who is a massive cunt out to destroy the BRF. Now go ahead and bore me by calling me Skippy or a Frau

Why are you so hysterical, R100? Both women married into the House of Windsor. They're the Queen's and Prince Charles' problems, not yours or mine.

[quote]So many Megastans on here pretending they are gay men

Yes, I can’t picture any gay man defending Markle with such vigour.

'Half of LA' did not star in a successful TV show for seven years! Kate spent ten years living with Will and being a housewife while he paid the bills before they married. Meghan had SEVEN YEARs at least earning a good salary and paying her own way.

The misogyny comes reeking off R95/R97. All actresses only got their break through the casting couch and all good looking girls live off men. Like a 50s throwback with the language of a trailer trash hoe.

Gay men love MM's ambition, good looks and bravado. American gay men especially like to see the sacred precinct of the BRF breached by a hardworking Hollywood gal. Kate is a colourless milksop proposition in comparison.

The wait contunues

continues

R75, l don't mind you screeching at me,but l'm not Skippy. Just so you know. You can rant at me, l don't mind, but not in someone else's name.

All the Royal outings are planned meticulously in advance - who will attend and the security detail needed. No way would H and M have gatecrashed an event they were not supposed to be at.

Odd that the tinhat Meg hater can't come up with anything substantial against MM. She said a vegan food tasted of egg, attended Harry's father's investiture and announced her pregnancy two days after a wedding.

That's it, sum total of her misdemeanours.

Go, Meghan! You're doing well.

R101 Are you high? or maybe you need to be because you aren't making any sense.

R109 - speechless, I see. You really would be more at home chatting to Torontopapers on Twitter than here trying to persuade gay men to hate a confident diva.

R108 you are hilarious, I suggest you turn up the sound and watch what the Queen, Charles, Camilla, William and Kate really think of MM. It must be sad to see your reality challenged, now go back to CB or yelling on the Daily Mail forums

I've already seen it. You can't tell what they're saying. You are hopelessly naive if you think people gatecrash royal events. Why wouldn't Charles want his son there?

Your list of M's crimes is pitifully short and this particular one has been debunked.

Can someone start a thread for senior members of the BRF? This one has turned into a playground for angry Meghan haters. We need someplace to discuss the Queen, Charles and Di, Queen Mary and other more interesting people than Meg.

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The Sunday Times Rich List 2019: Queen are wealthier than the Queen

It’s certainly a kind of magic. A golden year for the three surviving members of Queen means they are richer than the monarch herself.

The box-office success of the recent biopic, Bohemian Rhapsody, has left Brian May, Roger Taylor and John Deacon together sitting on a £445m fortune — so their combined wealth is for the first time larger than that of a rather different Queen.

While the old rockers continue to earn well — each adding an estimated £25m to their wealth this year — the same cannot be said of the 93-year-old monarch. Her wealth is thought to have flat-lined at £370m, according to The Sunday Times Rich List, which will be published next weekend.

The Queen’s wealth is overshadowed by that of the Bohemian Rhapsody rockers

The Queen topped the list for the first five years from 1989 to 1994, but the strict criteria used by the Rich List now excludes the Crown Estate and the royal art collection from her assets, on the grounds that she does not have control over them.

Queen’s lead guitarist and songwriter May, 71, and drummer Taylor, 69, served as consultants for the film about the life of the charismatic lead singer Freddie Mercury, who died at the age of 45 in 1991 from Aids-related pneumonia. The film is within touching distance of taking $1bn in worldwide ticket sales.

Royalties from Queen’s vast back catalogue continue to roll in, with Bohemian Rhapsody recently named as the most streamed 20th-century song.

The success of the film, in which Rami Malek won the best actor Oscar and Bafta for his portrayal of Mercury, has only served to stimulate interest in the band’s music.

May’s wealth is put at £160m in this year’s Rich List, up from £135m in 2018. Taylor’s fortune rises from £130m to £155m.

Deacon, 67, who wrote the hit Another One Bites the Dust, is considered to be Queen’s “silent partner”.

The band’s bass guitarist, he was said by his PR man last year to be “living a private life” in Putney, southwest London.

His wealth is put at £130m, enough to put him back into the Rich List for the first time since 2006.

Ninaki is actually second from the right

Omg, we aren't saying she gatecrashed the event! We are saying the obviously didn't do what was expected of her....join Princess Anne, the other lesser royals, the dignitaries and guests in the recital room. She hung back, knowing there was to be an official photp shoot. And she wanted a piece of that action.

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370 million GBP is not bad. The Queen can afford to indulge herself a little.

His son was there. His son was invited. But he should not have been in that specific room, at that specific time.

Edward and Wallis's French party home is up for sale.

R121, they lived a luxurious lifestyle for 2 unemployed people.

Oh, how incredible. What a lovely home.

R121 With a few interior images we could do a tasteful friends thread.

Queen Liz as a baby. Little did she know at the time, but she would become one of the richest people in the UK.

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The Queen with her first 2 children.

R112 the courtiers kept them in the back, why?

You need to get your eyes and ears checked because the spoken words are clear to hear.

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R125 I really hope the necklace that baby Lilibet is clutching is diamonds

Some of those pics of the Queen Mum, especially when Elizabeth was just an infant, make her look rather lovely. The bangs, the dark eyes...almost vampy!

The way the buildings are arranged makes it look like a tiny village. It's breathtaking. I hope whoever buys it doesn't "improve" it in any way.

SEVEN years of work R103! What a record! In a world where people work for forty to fifty years, and you think that SEVEN fucking years is something to crow about.

R130 it’s apparently coral.

Investiture video goes like this - Charles is perturbed at MM being there. It's all over his face as soon as he turns to face the camera after chatting with her - he even shakes his head slightly as it to say "DAMN!" Willis definitely says "Not allowed" while his head is turned to MM. Camilla chats with Willis while placing her arms behind her back to which Willis is heard saying "She wants the attention." He points to the pictures on the table as seeing them reminds him to make another point "She wants to be in the pictures." Camilla says "it's awkward on the way out to which Willis replies "I know." It's all made perfectly, painfully clear as the page and the other guy have been dispatched to escort them from that room and into the other, but they're too late as the Queen and Charles have already started on their way toward the doorway - she even hesitates briefly because of it, which indeed is AWKWARD. FACT!

Your girl, Meghan. Damn. Just damn. She already had the attention of the whole world on her. She was already a heavy presence in the media. Everything she's so strenuously striving for is already there as mere fact of her position. All she has to do is just relax and let it all flow. That's it. SHE.......TRIES.......TOO.......HARD which is a red flag. She's constantly trying to fix that which is not broken. She refuses to assimilate. She is working their last nerves. They do not like her, and it's utterly, completely obvious in that video. We need not see any more to arrive at this fact based opinion. It's unfortunate, but it's all her own doing.

She and Harry where supposed to stay with the others at the investure ceremony . Off course M couldn.t stay away from the spotlight she is so craving . A camera present and she not in there . The investure was only for the heirs to the throne .The queen Charles and Camilla and William and Kate and nobody else . A concept she can’t grasp this trashy grifter !

Waiting for the moment one of the investiture loons (either pro or anti Meghan) claims they're a forensic audio and video expert and their transcript comes from a digitally enhanced version of the footage that will be submitted into evidence at the treason trial.

^ I cannot figure out whether or not the issue lies in the fact that she is actually asserting her importance within the BRF because she feels that THEY just don't get it OR if this is a case where she is blissfully unaware of her own limited importance, and therefore it's SHE who doesn't get it.

R137, kindly STFU with your "loon" shit. You're no less of an asshole than anybody else. Actually..... haha

138 above (sorry - I don't know how to link to a reply, and can't find it in the help section):

You raise an excellent question. I lean towards her not actually knowing. She's SO IMPORTANT inside her own head, she can't understand why people wouldn't break traditions (even those that have stood for generations) just to accommodate HER PRESENCE.

Yes, R139. Because she's the most important member of the Royal Family, don't you know. She's a ROCK STAR!

R139, you like to a previous post by simply typing as so: R139 - no quotation, no brackets, etc. Try it. One tends to also wonder whether or not she's yet uttered the fatal phrase to herself: "After all I'm doing for this family!" haha I think she's clueless, unfortunately. At the end of the Investiture video we see her blinking uncontrollably. That's what you do when you're seething mad but have no outlet to express that anger because of your present circumstance - you blink the hell out of your eyes!

R141, Was she blinking because she was angry? Or was she holding back tears of humiliation because she thought "the family she never had" would be DELIGHTED to include her against protocol, and now she's been publicly shamed?

R138 is currently doing an online course in video and audio forensics at the University of Phoenix.

R143 who I assume is also R137 refuses to admit that the following picture shows a building on fire. He insists that someone is just cooking on a grill.

Is that a picture of R143's building?? If so, good job, R144!

R139, just put a capital R before the number of the post you want to link or reply to.

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My first thought about the California story is that she's already laying the ground for her post divorce life. She's buying where she will live after, now. Either that or it isn't true and they are so hated the media makes stories up entirely when the narrative, as a courtesy, should be poor Meghan, soldering on in her eleventh month of pregnancy.

Maybe she will divorce him much sooner than anyone thought it would take the marriage to fail. Maybe she's that ruthless and this planned.

R147, agreed. I would have preferred to see much more color in her wardrobe choices, especially to see her in something sari-like.

Thanks all for the advice on quoting replies, btw!

That's a faded, unhappy purple (in R147's pic)...

I agree. She missed the mark at bit on that one.

The Duchess of Windsor was such a complicated figure, of course, but she did make a go of that unfortunate marriage. It was a cushy life, but one wonders how that huge THING - the knowledge that he, the King of England, gave up the throne for her - weighed on them day after day.

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In terms of MM blinking: in one of the posts above there is a link where Harry is speaking to a group and MM is next to him, she is blinking furiously. (Sorry too lazy to go back and find it!) Maybe she was infuriated that he dared to speak and not allow her the total spotlight? But I agree that at the investiture ceremony she may be blinking away tears of humiliation--but that might require more self-awareness than she seems to have.

R151: I remember reading a long time ago that Edward was happy to abdicate as he was a weak man who didn't really want the responsibilities of being king. And his abdication "for Wallis" was the story that was spun, as if this was the greatest love affair for the ages.

R144 R145 A team of RPOs was dispatched to rescue me and protect the fruit of my womb. We're currently resting comfortably in Windsor.

Thank you for your concern.

She's a narc so they would be tears of rage. She would be so angry that the others didn't recognise how special and important she is.

[quote]The Duchess of Windsor was such a complicated figure, of course, but she did make a go of that unfortunate marriage.

Did she make a go of it really though? It endured but book after book points to unhappiness that became scorn in the middle years. The Jimmy Donaghue situation was not making a go of it. I think she knew what she had done and wouldn't go down in history as having both taken a King from his throne and then discarded him, too.

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The Duchess of Windsor's French getaway story.....I've reached my quota of unpaid Telegraph articles to read ( don't even know how many that is! Two? Lol) but their article on it, just before the pay wall seems to be full of shade. It reiterates that Wallis is buried of Frogmore. They mention, very quickly in the article, that she was infertile, and she'd have maybe longed to raise children in the French retreat. I've saved the article, to see if I can unlock it tomorrow. Maybe it's not as shady as I think, but we shall see.

R156: Yes, tears of rage would be more like it vs. tears of humiliation. Even humiliation would require some self-awareness that one had acted inappropriately.

R157, can you elaborate more on the Jimmy Donaghue situation? I don't recall this from my binge-watching of "The Crown."

An increase of eye blinks is an uncontrollable physiological response to anxiety, nervousness, anger....pick one of those. I'm with "anger".

Sophie looks like Sponge Bob in that photo.

R151 At Edward's funeral Wallis remarked that he had given up so much for so little.

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R158, I'll comment for you. Those two pieces don't work together. The embroidery on the top piece works, but she managed to choose two blues that aren't in harmony. (How - it's the easiest color to work with!). The shoes are a disaster. The young lady next to her looks perfectly appropriate. The carpet they're standing on is gorgeous.

Here's the hyperlink... I can never figure out how to make the Maul link to anything other than it's goddam videos.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5355361/Wallis-Simpson-biography-reveals-tired-husband.html

So then, I suppose the countdown to divorce begins as she slowly comes to terms with the fact that she will never be the super-star of the BRF. As she starts to understand her diminishing role, it's limitations, constraints and routinely boring aspect - will she wash her hands of the whole affair? She married for stardom, sad to say.

R157, I agree. That’s what I mean when I said she made a go of it. It’s said she would have been content to carry on being the King’s mistress. Her story is a good example of getting a lot more than you bargained for.

Here’s an unpopular opinion of mine – I simply do not see this incredible personal style of hers. Her dresses look very boring to me. Of course the jewelry was fun.

And I would love her worry free life but she can’t escape the fame demons in her head.

[quote]Her story is a good example of getting a lot more than you bargained for.

Makes me think of somebody else, except increasingly I am beginning to wonder if this is actually one of the most ruthless plans and duped targets in the history of both.

Was there an article on the Sussexes retiring from the BRF and slinking off to California? It sounds like a good idea for a charismatic accomplished actress yearning to be close to her dear mother.

After gaining knowledge of the whole David/Wallis/Abdication thing years ago, I immediately formed the unchanged opinion that David methodically used Wallis as a means to his own end. That does not imply that he didn't actually love her - that she did not possess him, as indeed she did. However, I am resolved in my belief that he simply did not want to be King, and he dreaded the day it happened. He could never say to his country "You know what? I don't want to be your King, so I quit." No, he had to have a very good reason to abdicate, and what greater reason than "the woman I love." He knew she would never be accepted by the establishment - he skillfully orchestrated the entire scheme.

Would the Royal Family allow them to do it? It wouldn't look good, part time Royals (and off the leash.) I think Harry would have to retire from any formal role, maybe even title (up to and including renounce) and there could be no hint of public funding or money provided to them that originated as public funding (so no diversion of Sovereign Grant or wherever the money comes from these days.)

The California story could well be Markle throwing out orders of what she wants. Has she not yet learned it does not work that way? FFS, she couldn't even get Doria an invite for Christmas, by doing this, never mind a £10mill property in the area of her choice. Or...she's destracting from her banishment to Africa.

My grandma used to love Harry, she just thinks he's a prick now. So...if the elderly get this whole distasteful debacle, you can be sure the whole country would be up in arms if he kept his titles but based himself in the US.

Not even grandma's apathetic 'never complain never explain' mentality would be able to protect this spoiled manchild if they try this

I know it's the fashion of the times, but I cannot get past Wallis' ugly hair.

R168 I don't think the divorce countdown has started ticking yet. A lot of attention will come with the new baby, and even if she's not the number one in the BRF, she can solidify her group of new A-list friends, arrange play dates with the Clooneys, jet around, purchase and decorate new homes. Her mood board has come to life and it will take some years for her to tire of having to put up with Harry.

I've noticed the Clooneys have retreated from all this. For now, anyway. It's just a big Orca takeover.

Fun quotes from the Maul story on Windsors and Jimmy:

Interior designer Nicholas Haslam recalled: ‘Having known Jimmy, I can’t think he could have touched any woman, let alone one as rigidly un-undressable as Wallis.’

If they (Duke and Duchess) went to a restaurant and their conversation faltered, the Duchess insisted that they recite the alphabet to one another so that other diners would see their animation.

R180 - I think it's so interesting that MM courts the Clooneys and Oprah. George and Oprah were huge in the 1990s when she was coming of age. (Much like, as one poster mentioned earlier Carolyn Bissette Kennedy's minimal wedding dress was so trend setting - she mirrored it.) She hasn't been able to let go of the idea that they are the most A List of the A List, when for the younger generation she's courting they're - sorry to bluntly state it - old. It's like Trump being obsessed with Time Magazine. That was one of the most influential publications of the 1980s, and its Time Magazine Person of the Year (or was it Man of the Year back then?) really mattered. Now? Irrelevant.

R182, you make a good point. She clearly wants to be seen as somehow iconic, but all her inspirations are OLD. This is just not captivating to a crowd that's more interested in barely legal Kylie Jenner and her own little billion dollar sprog.

R181-reciting the alphabet - ha! Someone else pointed out that when in the company of other Royals, the Duchess of Excess employs her former experience as a film extra and talks to herself so it looks like she's one of them.

I think she is winding down her life in the UK. Despite everyone's view that a narcissist welcomes any attention, even of the most negative kind, I think MM, a former very ugly duckling, writhes in humiliation at the onslaught of derision slung her way, about which she can do very little. In the US, she can at least try to control the narrative. Will Harry join her? That remains to be seen. Whilst he loves the perks of his royal life, clearly he does not love his role.

Maybe Meghan was telling the truth in the engagement interview when she said she really didn’t know much about the royal family. She knew about Harry, Diana and the rest as media figures, but maybe little to nothing of the history or the protocols. So in the modern context, these wrong moves seem perfectly reasonable to her: “Harry’s family and I’m his wife, why would we be excluded? That’s not kind.” Like that.

And that, R186, brings up the question as to why she didn't bother to learn ANYTHING about the world she was entering. I mean, who DOES THAT??? A rock star, I guess. The level of hubris is simply astonishing. I don't think I'll ever get used to it.

R158 I think Sophie's put on a bit of weight recently and is struggling with what to wear. She's usually so stylish but she's looking kind of frumpy.

Yes, R188 - the frump factor is very strong. She's looking very much like a middle-aged woman from the American Midwest. Not a good look on anyone.

This is from the same trip. Her weight looks fairly stable.

The image at R158 looks like she's sliding into Camilla territory. And that will not do.

Yes she's looking heavier, it must be a struggle. I noticed her ankles had swollen, maybe the heat? But yes, it must be a struggle, your whole wardrobe is redundant when your weight changes.

Well R187, I’ll be “kind” here. Personally, I can only say that the height of my thinking I knew it all came in my mid-30s. I still had a lot to learn.

I don’t think Doria is waiting for her with open arms . She knows what a pain in the ass her daughter really is . She wasn’t a present mother when M grew up . So knowing M will be living in LA and ask her everyday to play the doting grandmother I don’t think her love is that big .

R191 The old “middle-age spread,“ as my mother used to call it.

R193-Doria's thinking, "Please don't less this be true, please don't let this be true!"

Can you unblock someone you blocked? It's hard to follow some of the conversation because I blocked a Meghstan.

Well, maybe as compensation, MM will let Doria use her laundry facilities, so she won't have to shlep her laundry to the launderette.

Also, don't know if it's been mentioned, but the thread is getting grayed out. Need to WW.

R180 It's not just retro 90s A-list cachet with the Clooneys and Oprah, they're also super woke, super rich humanitarians, which is what Meg wants to be. Saving the world and living luxuriously.

R196, if you go to the "Ignored" bar at the top of the screen, it'll bring up a list of posters you've blocked. You can unblock them by clicking on the X.

I legit thought when I woke up today that the top story on the BBC would be that Meghan was in labour. This is taking forever!

The only problem is, R199, where to get the do-re-mi. HazBean are far from billionaire status.

R201-Harry without his title and family are nothing to Meghan. She may hate the Firm right now, but the family she never had is the only thing making her special. Without them she's just an aging ex-actress divorcee who used to have a title. What happens after she leaves? A tell-all and then what-she becomes Lady Colin Campbell? Or Yolanda Foster (or Hadid, however she styles herself these days.) She's not smart, savvy and ruthless enough to rise to the Kris Jenner level of super whoredom.

You have to take with many grains of salt stories in the tabs about HaxBean thinking about doing this that or the other, because most of the time, they're making it up, citing "sources" or a journalist like Katie Nicholl or former "insiders" like Dickie Arbiter whom no one who really knew anything would give the time of day to now.

It's hardly rocket science to look at the couple and not realise that they're between a rock and a hard place: they want the perks, fame, status, and extra funds that royalty confers, but they really wish they could get rid of the contraints that go with the perks. If they could figure out a way to get rid of the contraints but keep the perks, they would.

Harry knows perfectly well that if he exits royal life, all he'll take with him is his title and a nice annuity from Dad. Meghan is probably labouring under the delusion that with the "brand" she's already gotten them, they'll make their own fortunes. What she forgets is that she's really boring, faintly ridiculous, and that if Gwyneth Paltrow coudn't pull it off, Duchess Meghan will pall very, very quickly without all those appearances on the balcony of Buck House and at Remembrance ceremonies and all the other photo ops that scream ROYALTY.

Meghan, I suppose, could have persuaded Harry he doesn't need the family brand any longer, and it's possible he's deluded enough to listen to her. A few years in L.A. as Meghan takes off on her own pursuing her particular brand of shallow celebrity, the marriage will go south, and Harry will a sharp wake-up call.

No, I don't think there will be an exit or relocation to L.A. Meghan's strategy is to make the most of being royal whilst behaving as unroyally as she can get away with. She hadn't reached the bottom of this cup yet.

And I'm sure she's resisiting an induction or c-section because she wanted to have the kind of birth that Kate had.

Perhaps Sophie's stylist is flustered by saris. Here she in another ill-advised outfit. This was an event at Windsor Castle in Oct 2018.

There's a matching purse.

R201, give the girl some time! She's just married into the BRF. She's now getting a leg up into ultra rich circles. When Harry gets tired of living with little miss type-A health nazi and starts straying, she'll be perfectly postioned to divorce him and marry a 60-something billionaire.

R190 She looks much better in that picture. It's a common mistake when you've put on weight to go for loose clothing which just ends up making you look bigger. Slightly fitted is much more flattering.

I thought Goop had quite a high net worth from her ridiculous online business.

R190, other than the shoes I actually quite like that ensemble.

Goop is successful from that online gig. But I don’t think MM has the smarts , and real A Lost likability and pedigree that Goop has. Lots of celebrities sincerely seem to like Paltrow.

What MM needs to do is to get advice from PMK. Really.

R209. The outfit at 190 is lovely, which is why the other outfits from that tour have me SMH.

"You mean to tell me that girl STILL hasn't given birth? DAYUM!!"

The savvy billionaires go for supermodels. Even elder supermodels ( Hi Jerry Hall! ). Markle would not only be not trusted, but she's not got the look they go for. And I'm being polite as I can.

As if Pss Michael would ever waste her time advising MM..

Megs is only a trophy wife to someone as painfully stupid as Harry.

"...jet around, purchase and decorate new homes..."

Are you new to this situation? Frogmore Cottage is the one and only, leased, home. The Sussexes do not own property.

R213, have you seen Jeff Bezos' new girlfriend? R215, I'm confident MM could work her magic on a new mark.

R208 - I don't know what the Goop made but mostly she came in for merciless ridicule for her pretentious bullshit.

R217-yes, Bezos' girlfriend is an utter head scratcher.

Maybe Harry can persuade her to do a conscious uncoupling, a la Paltrow? Stand in the sea and chuck flowers behind your head? He'd save a fortune.

Maybe she's biding her time til the Clooney contract is up and she can work her magic on George...

^^^^ R221 Is working the crystal ball big time. Megs probably kicks herself that Amal got the Clooney contract. She's loves being a princess but that involves restrictions and "work". Being Clooney's lavender wife would be the perfect gig.

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Amal Clooney is a successful lawyer; multi-lingual and accomplished. She's not a second rate actress/former yacht girl. I'm sure George Clooney was not eager to reprise Pretty Woman in his choice of spouse, lavender or otherwise.

Thank you R200. It turns out I've blocked exactly one poster on these threads, the one who claims to be a gay Meghan super-fan. She/he urges others to block posters with whom she disagrees. How ironic. And R144 nailed her/him.

R222 I bet she's already pouring hints in George's ear. "George darling, think how much better it would be to run for president with an American wife and royal step-child by your side?" I can imagine that her and her 'close friend' Amal actually can't stand each other. Conversations full of passive aggressive bitchiness. I would love to hear that actually! Haha

Hahaha R227 I can "live feed" that in my head! Yess!

Regardless of how she feels about her, my bet is that Meghan is sucking up to Amal big time. Nothing like ridiculously wealthy, well-connected Hollywood friends with private planes and palatial estates around the world.

Wallis' house in France was NICE. Don't worry Sparkles, you're not getting anything like that.

No billionaire is going to sleep with those bunions scratching his ankles, honey, old boys gotta sleep!

Hmm R143 here. I've never claimed to be "a gay Meghan super-fan." Where do you come up with this stuff R226?

The investiture loons, both those pro and anti Meghan, are over invested in that stupid video and post 50-100 comments about it on each thread. Those who agree with it are already converted, and those who don't won't ever be converted. It's been done to death.

It's like the Brown Velvet Lady posts where they seemed to be seeing her everywhere and people where zooming in and doing nose comparisons etc. Good Lord.

As the Randy Andy poster pointed out, satire is lost on some.

Who is greying out these threads?

R229 I'm sure she is, I bet she gets a dig in though too. She won't be able to help herself from reminding Amal that she's royal and Amal's not

R228 I'm imagining it along the lines of Bette and Joan, just not as good!

Maybe Meggy should go Clairol Prozzie Blonde?

Photos and info on one of the Queen's fashion designers, Hardy Amies. An interesting life.

Lady Diana Spencer fishing at Balmoral in 1981. Can you tell she couldn't stand the place?

R237 the first photo looks like Babe Paley.

R232, I guess I wasn't talking about you because you aren't the one I blocked. However, my R144 reference applies to the person I did.

I just watched the investiture video again. I don't believe that William says "Not Allowed"to his brother and sister-in-law. He actually says a full sentence ending with the word "allowed". I can't make out the full sentence, but to me it sounds like, "It's the first anniversary we're allowed."

However, I did notice for the first time, thanks to someone above who pointed it out, just a split second before William finishes that sentence, Charles says something to Meghan that appears to tick her off. Her facial expression changes, and she looks towards Harry, and appears to be stifling an eye roll. Charles' back is to the camera, but it looks like he's also making some gesture with his hand. Perhaps it's a "wait over there" hand flap.

Who left the door open on this thread? Has Celebitchy not posted something on Meghan in a while? It seems all the stans have flooded in. As soon as you start reading statements like: "You don't even know her!" "She was a working actress who made her own money!" "Kate's lazy and has never achieved a thing in her lazy, waity life other than pop out babies! - you know the stan tour bus has pulled up. The buzzword "kind" has even appeared.

The poster who calls others Kate Troll and Skippy is back. Thread is getting greyed.

^also Mexiteer and Android Kate.

I laughed when Harry appears to condescendingly wave his father into the room with a hand gesture. His father BEING the POW and all and Harry being a drug addled twit and spare.

R240 I do hope your A/V analysis skills are better than your poster blocking ones. I am the poster from R137 and R143.

Royal fans say " It's getting ridiculous! "

OBGYN info here:

Docs can measure the amniotic fluid much more accurately now than in years past. (Sonogram technology and all that.)

Thus they can see it diminishing when the woman goes past 40 weeks, and will induce labor by week number 41!

How did the cumbucket worm her way into the RF?

They will pay dearly for the massive mistake of letting her in.

She's never going to get as much attention as for baby #1, so i guess she's enjoying it

I haven't checked this and the last thread since yesterday afternoon. Let me get this straight, now there are Meg fans who are actively trying to convince people that all gay men overwhelming love and adore a most basic frau who wrote the frau-est things on her blog. A woman who has no stylish bone in her body, doesn't wear clothes well even expensive designer outfits. A woman who does not value loyalty but instead values fake people and fake displays. Excuse me, saying gay men worship someone like this is somehow not considered to be insulting? If we wanted a basic frau who poses badly in amateurish yoga poses and drinking her frau wine, we'd choose someone more stylish and definitely not Oprah-approved frau like Meghan.

Exactly, r251

It's safe to say most gay men feel they could take over MM's role and do a much better job than she has. Curtsying, shaking hands, dressing correctly, screwing Harry - no problem.

R240, I told you once already that you aren't the poster I blocked. I'm reading your posts here, right now, not blocked. Lord.

Some older monarchs have abdicated in favour of letting their heir take the throne. In the Netherlands, Juliana abdicated for Beatrix who later abdicated for Willem-Alexander. Albert II did it for Philippe in Belgium. In Spain, Juan Carlos abdicated for Felipe VI. Most recently, Akihito gave up the throne for Naruhito in Japan.

Should Beth give up the throne to Charles and spend her dotage riding on Phillip's carriage?

Discuss

At R254, should say R246.

R251, I suspect this is the poster greying the thread(s).

^maybe it's more than one, but the writing style is consistent.

R255 - the other countries really don't have the emotional baggage and damage inflicted by the Abdication of Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor). The Queen is on record to devote her whole life to the job and to do her duty. Who the hell wants King Charles and Queen Camilla anyway? Not me.

I hope The Queen continues to have good health and lives even LONGER than her 101-year-old mother.

The Queen will never abdicate. In my opinion, of course. Her mental health appears t be outstanding, still. No need to for her to become distressed about not fulfilling the duty she swore to do until death. Long Live Our Queenie.

BBC's Ben Tavener continues the journalistic tradition of reporters reporting that there are reporters reporting nothing.

What is with the thread being greyed out? How does one even do that?

The Evening Standard have been reporting on reporting on reporting on reporting for two weeks, lol R261

R262 - the FF and Ignore buttons.

We cannot control other people, but all who want the thread to continue, should go to the original post and click WW.

R255 I think it’s way overdue for Elizabeth II to step down and retire, but she’s way too rigid and intransigent to do it. At this point, it’s pretty selfish of her to stay on. Queen Victoria died at 81; being in you mid-90s and still ruling is incomprehensible. Though abdication has left a bad taste in Elizabeth’s mouth, it has become increasingly popular throughout the world. I’m tired of the Edward thing being used as a crutch to keep herself on the throne. Shit happened, move on.

Another royal house to add to your list is Luxembourg. Grand Duke Jean, who just had his funeral this weekend, abdicated in favor of his son.

The reporters in Windsor are going stir crazy. I'm sure someone is loving it.

I saw it on Twitter, loves, not just now, but hints given out that "our lot" are here. They search the threads. You do not have to join here to comment. There are Meg Stans from all over infiltrating here. Maybe some cock shots will drive the loons away? Maybe not, they just resort to trying to get the threads destroyed.

R257, one or two people downvoting won’t grey out a thread.

After watching that toast video way up thread, I have some thoughts:

(1) MM seems to be in something. She has an almost aggressive vibe when talking about.... toast. Adderal? Coke?

(2) What is with this bitch and toast? And HOW has she convinced herself plopping random shit on toast = being some expert chef/foodie?

I cook good meals from scratch several times a week, yet I consider myself a below average cook. This bitch can’t even cook, apparently, yet she fancies herself a professional chef.

It's wiser to keep an old lady who is respected on the throne than have her tampon loving, spoilt, selfish son to take over. It's really a no-brainer.

I don’t think Edward used Wallis as an excuse to get out of being king. Everything I’ve read about that time points to Edward’s sincere belief that he would be able to marry Wallis and have her crowned with him. To that point in time, Edward had been the most popular Prince of Wales, and he thought this popularity would prevent anyone from stopping him doing what he wanted. His advisors and supporters all encouraged him in this. They all couldn’t have been more wrong.

The government was already concerned about Edward’s sympathies, as well as the sympathies of those closest to him. They were also aware of Wallis’ own fascist leanings, along with her supposed affairs with Count Ciano and von Ribbentrop. Edward was already viewed as dim, spoiled, petulant, and easily swayed by flattery. The government knew with Wallis in his ear, she’d be the one calling the shots. So, they used the press to finally print the stories about Wallis and that turned the people against Edward.

It was actually the government that used Wallis to rid themselves of a weak and possibly fascist king.

As far as their life after abdication went, it was an empty one. As Wallis herself was quoted as saying “you have no idea how hard it is to live out a great love story”.

That Edward still harboured fascist sympathies in his later years, he often said “if I had been king, there would have been no war.”

How do threads get greyed out, R269?

R262 by being hysterical stans, from either side who FF and block. It signals the thread is contentious. WW won't fix that.

Personally ignore comments you don't like and keep it moving.

People click FF on the original post to try to get the thread closed, R273. By people, I am including bots and paid PR social media teams. Lots of FF throughout a thread can work too, but is a much more intensive, scatter shot, less likely to be successful approach.

R270 She tried to get a pro role on TV as a chef, Ina Garten was a fave of hers. That was when she was with the chef. Prior to that, she wanted a Housewives role, but Trevor got her Suits, instead. She's never constant, which makes this all so interesting. The only constant is only her, getting herself ahead.

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I don't think anyone wants an interim King. Especially Charles.

A cooking show along with her blog was Plan B after her Suits gig. It was a good plan at the time, especially since she was on track to marry the well-known and apparently well-liked Toronto chef.

Well, Charles seems to want that, R278. Agree, not sure the citizens do.

Perhaps William has more effective PR, but Harry genuinely seems like the absolute worst of both of his parents.

I still sometimes wonder if she is a plant to bring down the monarchy, as Wallis was used to bring down Edward. The support after the Queen is going to be much less, esp if Charles is crowned. And with all the wokeness, HW antics and Dim being made to look emasculated, people may increasingly find it an expense that provides little benefit. After all, watching the antics of the Kartrashians is free.

Trevor should be counting his lucky stars.

According to Wikipedia, the day of Princess Anne's wedding to Captain Phillips was a national holiday in the UK, but Andrew's wasn't. I wonder why that was. Anne and Andrew were both fourth in line to the throne at the time of their respective weddings.

I for one, would love to hear from/about the alleged first husband at Northwestern, the one that was supposedly annulled.

The story about her running off with some older man during her internship in Central America is both telling and funny.

I'm sure that was to Greece, R282. Maybe she can refind him when Soho House opens in Greece, 2020.

The idea of abdication is more complicated in the U.K. than in the other European monarchies.

First, there is a tradition in the European monarchies of monarchs abdication due to age, health, and even loss of popularity. As such, by and large, there is no stigma associated with it.

Second, in the U.K., the monarch also has a religious role as Head of the Church - no other monarch in Europe has that role.

Third, most of the remaining European monarchies don’t have big, religious coronations. Most have an investiture or inauguration ceremony. The coronation of an monarch in the U.K. is a deeply and profoundly religious affair, wherein the monarch is said to be “anointed” with all the religious overtones that implies.

While EII surely has memories of the abdication in the 30s, and what that did to her parents, and the nation, I don’t think that figures too greatly into her decision. I think it’s the religious aspect that keeps EII from even considering abdicating. She is known as a fairly devout woman, and having taken an oath before God and being anointed Queen, I don’t see her ever breaking that word.

The thought is, as EII delegates more to Charles and William, she’ll “retire” making fewer appearances. I remember at one point, it was said EII had agreed to a regency if she were still alive at 95. I haven’t heard or read anything about that recently though. But, as we know see Catherine with her weekly meetings with the Queen being tutored on her future role as Queen-Consort, makes me wonder if some agreement is in place within the family. The next Queen-Consort would be Camilla, so why is EII skipping her, and tutoring Catherine? Maybe Charles realized or was persuaded that at 70, with a mother who could potentially last another 8 years as her own did, he’d be too old to reign, and there’s an agreement in place that he will step aside when the time comes in favor of William. Or maybe the DL sleuths are correct, and his puffy fingers are indicative of a health issue, and as above he’s agreed to step aside.

If one adds in the whole “Sussexes moving to Africa”, that could be part of the plan so that there’s no competing court in the U.K. to William and Catherine.

All speculation of course, but I don’t think EII will ever abdicate. I genuinely believe she sees it as her duty to die as the Queen.

I remember when we had a four-day weekend for William and Kate's wedding (a Friday holiday followed by the usual early May bank holiday Monday), people were pointing out that it was like a fairy tale where the prince got married and the bad guy (Osama bin Laden) got caught. Cannot believe that was EIGHT years ago. Time really does fly.

Agree wholeheartedly with R284. I'd forgotten, the Coronation is a religious ceremony and the Queen is a deeply religious person. She won't abdicate.

I have read there's a plan for some kind of Regency to be created around her 95th birthday. Or she might deputize Prince Charles to take on more of her responsibilities and continue to actively reign until she marks 70 years as sovereign, which would be early February, 2022. Not that far away and, with no expectation she won't have her marbles, why shouldn't she, if she feels up to it? Ultimately, it is her decision.

R282, I would love to know more about that, too. There is a name, and I would hate to doxx the guy if he’s just an innocent dude who was bamboozled by her. He’s a lawyer and I can’t really figure out what use he was, to her.

The guy who is ALLEGEDLY the annulled husband looks like a butch lesbian.

Interesting comment by Dickie Arbiter (formerly Queen's spokesman) about it all being stage managed in this thread of royal reporters chuntering about food.

These lunatics on here trying to convince DL everyone who drags MEghan is a frau and that gay men obsequiously love Meghan. These are the same posters who never made a peep on this site *until* MEghan showed up on the scene. I imagine these white woke women are sorely disappointed their twitter trending war against Wills (in the U.S. only) amounted to NOTHING in the scheme of things. Probably the same Trump base cunts who thought boycotting Nordstrom as punishment for cutting loose Ivanka Trump's junk would make a bit of difference.

Luckily, Celebitchy posted a couple of Harry/Meghan stories today. The posters are collectively outraged about the MEGG-tasting story. They don't understand that it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Especially to staff.

I see R266's point. Given the length of EIIR's reign she could step down in favour of Charles. In fact, it may be the better thing for the monarchy. If Charles doesn't take the throne for another decade+ he will be seen as even more out of touch. William is well regarded now, but not coming to the throne until he's 70ish, after being under his father's thumb for so many years, will not be a good look.

Speculation Alert (before you bitches start clutching pearls)

The public love Beth and she has served for a long time. I think few would argue that a woman on the cusp of becoming a centenarian is being selfish to step aside. If she manages it well, she could abdicate and set the template for future abdications. She would have more control over the process going forward. William's advisors could try to get more power for the Cambridges. So perhaps Charles does 25 years and then William gets in there before he's past retirement age.

All that said, with Brexit in play, EIIR should probably stay put for another 5 years.

[quote] Maybe Charles realized or was persuaded that at 70, with a mother who could potentially last another 8 years as her own did, he’d be too old to reign, and there’s an agreement in place that he will step aside when the time comes in favor of William.

R284 Charles can't just step aside. He could abdicate like Edward VIII but that would remind people of the Diana/Camilla years and probably bring more harm to the monarchy overall. Besides stepping aside completely and never reigning as king doesn't sound like something Charles would do based on what's been written about it, but IDK.

R266, yes, and the late Grand Duc Jean of Luxembourg is the father of Princess Marie Astrid of Luxembourg, the Catholic princess who did NOT marry Prince Charles.

Enty says I told you so

Meg's constant touching of her belly is so unseemly! It's like picking one's nose in public!

People keep saying how dim Harry is, but I have the feeling that a dim Brit is still a lot smarter and better educated than many Americans, no?

Comment on the R293 link speculated that they are helping Doria look for a place that they could come visit “more secure and more space” - I could see that. I’m still rooting for them to be sent to Africa and for MM to have to put her money where her mouth is

Nah, R295.

School staff had to help Dim barely squeak by academically.

She is a grifter and he is a moron, they make easier marks.

I hope they do move to LA. I live here and would love to have sightings! Once the excitement dies down, they’ll just be regular celebrities dining at Nobu and all the usual spots. Harry will enjoy the weather and the freedom immensely, at least for a while.

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They would be great on Vanderpump Rules

I was wondering how much of Queen Elizabeth's wealth comes from the inheritances of the British East India company, but it seems that the shareholders in the company were the British aristocracy.

Hopefully they won’t bump into Trevor and his new wife.

Re the previous threads. Just a dumb Yank here, but I compliment you Brits for being deeply concerned about the finances of two young women whose Grandma is worth $88b. You are most generous to fit the royals into your worry budget.

R255 / 291 - of course you are correct, Charles can’t just say “nope, don’t want this, give it to William” - he is King the moment the Queen dies. If there is in fact an agreement or understanding within the family, Charles will get his Accession Council, act as host for what would be probably the largest State Funeral ever, no doubt address the Nation and the Commonwealth a few times over the Queen’s death and funeral, and then within a few months of the funeral, he’ll come out with something like “after my mother’s long reign, and considering my own age, it is time to pass the crown to a younger generation”. It would be before any coronation, so he won’t have taken any religious oaths or been anointed king, and the coronation will still proceed, but with William and Catherine.

I actually think Charles having Camilla crowned with him would do more to bring up the Diana v Camilla memories, and turn lukewarm support against them both. Whereas, showing himself as a dutiful son and king from the moment the Queen dies, then saying he’s too old, time for new, younger blood, and abdicating for William - Diana's beloved son - would do more for Charles’ popularity and legacy than anything he could possibly do as king.

I’d guess, in the British fashion, he’ll be made a Duke. I could see him retaining “Duke of Cornwall” as his title before it is given to Prince George whenever he is invested as Prince of Wales.

As far as Head of the Commonwealth, the Queen did get the member states to agree Charles will succeed her as Head, so maybe he’ll do that while William gets himself sorted on the throne before getting the heads to agree William will succeed him, then stepping down.

Again, all is speculation!

R233, why - the Megstans of course. They don't like it when we mock Her Royal Smegmess.

If the BRF is like a corporation, and QE2 is the head, some would say that her judgement is deeply questionable, regarding the behaviour of her subordinates (sons) Charles and Andrew, and the entry of her grandson's new wife as a representative of the BRF.

Good luck getting anyone in LA to call them “Your Highness”. And I just imagined that schtick going over in NYC. And LOLed.

Someone mentioned it upthread and I know we’ve talked about it before, but her celeb buddies aren’t the up-and-coming generation. Oprah, Gayle, Clooney, Williams, Chopra are all over 35. Some are past, ahem, 50. They’re wealthy.

The young crowd just can’t relate to middle-aged rich people. I think the “we’re gonna change the world!” message is getting lost. Which is okay, because was anyone actually buying it?

R305 Charles couldn't retain the title "Duke of Cornwall" if William were king. That title goes to the monarch's eldest son. They would need to create a dukedom for him as was done for Edward VIII.

R307 The QE2 is a ship. I'm not usually one to police titles but that one is too funny.

R276, please elaborate. It explains so much about her extreme desire to "influence" as well as her poor acting skills. (Not to mention particular yet terrible taste in food!)

And does she look lovely in pink!

The Queen never repeats an outfit does she? And what happens to her old clothes? It wouldn't be right to "donate" them to the Salvation Army, now would it?!

So Liz's not turning the throne over to Chuck is not that she doesn't trust him, just that she wants to make good on her vow?

They don't abdicate in that family. Edward was the exception rather than the rule. The Queen made a vow before god and country, she will stick to it. She stuck with Philip after all.

I have a question about MM and her “buddies” - was she actually friends, or even known by the likes of Venus, the Clooneys, Oprah before she hooked up with Harry? The only friend from her pre-Harry days seems to be the Mulroney girl, right?

I know royals do socialize with celebs, usually when related to a cause they both support, but I never got any indication there were any real, serious friendships there. It seems most of the BRF’s friends are actually people they’ve grown up with, gone to school with, those who have familial connections, etc.. I mean, you don’t see Posh and Becks staying at Anmer Hall now, do you? That’s what MM doesn’t get because she’s never known or had a friendship where it wasn’t about advancing herself, getting something out of it.

Someone on one of these threads pondered whether the Clooneys would be godparents. I would be absolutely and utterly shocked if that came to pass. No matter how much MM may want it, I think the palace would quash that plan.

R198 (and others), if you want to keep following the thread just make sure to make a comment. Then you'll keep the red eye at the top of your list. Don't let the grayers get you down.

R305, it's just not fair! Charles does not have one tenth the charisma of his mum!

This is the Christmas card that Prince and Princess Michael of Kent sent out last year.

R308, isn't "we're gonna change the world" just her branding, rather than a ploy to win over young people? Because "I wanna be a rich princess" wouldn't work as well.

FWIW HM's 1947 speech didn't say she would never abdicate. It was on the occasion of her 21st birthday and simply said she was devoted to serving the empire. It was a young woman's speech aimed at other young people. It also called for everyone to support her in her dedication to the empire.

An abdication could be framed as a service to the Commonwealth's peoples by handing over the throne to someone with more energy for the task and by managing the longer term succession through to William and George.

I'm not saying she should abdicate. It's entertaining speculation.

R255 / R309 - yes, the Duchy goes to the heir to the throne. I was just positing that rather then create a new dukedom as was done for EVIII, given how long Charles has been Duke of Cornwall, how tied he is to the Duchy brand, the Letters Patent could easily be drafted so he retains that title for life were he to step aside and abdicate. The Duchy is meant to provide the heir with an income, which Charles would still need, and would keep him off the Civil List, plus Prince George would be young enough to not need the income anyway.

The sovereign hasn’t created a new dukedom in over 80 years (though Churchill was offered -and wanted- to be made “Duke of London” for his leadership in WWII, but his son wanted a career in politics, and as a Duke then, it wouldn’t be possible, so Churchill reluctantly declined), the Queen even stopped granting hereditary earldoms to retired prime ministers. So my thought was they’d use an existing and familiar title, drafted into the Letters Patent, rather than create a new, unfamiliar one.

Again, all speculation and conjecture on my part.

I’ve assumed that the Queen is shifting more and more of her workload to Charles as she ages. How much of her work has to be done by her personally?

Gosh, Andrew was one HUGE and JOLLY baby.

I don't think Prince Charles is self-aware enough to step aside in favor of his son. It's a nice thought, though.

As far as Prince William is concerned, I don't know what kind of king he would make. He seems not eager to grow up. In most of the family pictures, it's Kate who's attending to the children. He also once thought that it was wise to go partying in Switzerland rather than attend a Commonwealth Day service. William just seems to be going through the motions of adulthood.

Charles is champing at the bit to become king. He has several initiatives he wants to put forth. He will be *involved*. No way will he abdicate. The only question is whether Cammy will be crowned Queen next to him. He wants it, she is more hesitant, fearing a backlash. It's not as important to her.

Hollywood will fall over themselves to get in with the crown, MM is a user and a narcissist so she won’t notice that it isn’t really about her. It reminds me of Charlie Sheen’s WINNING retort....how long did that last, huh Chuck?

Who knew that Anne was such a flirt? Royal hussy! LOL.

Anne at her most attractive.

Warning: Do NOT touch Royal. She will NOT be amused.

I wonder what the monarch will look like 50 20 years from now. The Queen's successors have big shoes to fill.

The lady lost her hat and it's Alpha Gentleman Will to the rescue.

I don't think it's rigidity that is keeping the Queen from stepping down: I think she doesn't trust Charles and is hanging on as long as humanly possible to ensure that his reign is as short as she can make it. Even thoush he has publicly promised not to be a "meddling King", his record of private memos to sitting MPs in Parliament doesn't say much for his self-control, and I would guess she disapproved, also, of his milquetoast handling of Harry's moronic choice of a wife - probably flattering himself with his Woke self-image. Only William showed any backbone where Meghan was concerned, and as a result, I'd bet even the Queen is looking past Charles to William and Kate, who are much morein the mold to become heads of the Firm.

I would also bet that at this point, Harry himself and Meghan are aware that William is being increasingly cloaked with the aura of power, whilst Charles lookes sillier and sillier. Hence, Meghan's rush to get her branding efforts in place before William and Kate kick the Sussexes to the side of the road. Meghan is probably already planning to be long gone before she has to curtsy to King William and Queen Catherine.

Charles has always been overestimated - in fact, he's a pompous, hypocritical, self-pitying, petulant, mean-spirited twat. While William until now has been underestimated; William is already twice the man Charles was at the same age.

The Queen is right. Keep Charles's reign short - so short that everyone will be looking over his kingly shoulder toward the new Prince and Princess of Wales and their attractive brood of growing princes and princesses.

"20 years from now"

Eugenie's hubby Jack Brooksbank hasn't changed all that much.

Let's think up horror movie names....

"The Pregnancy That Wouldn't End!"

R323 - maybe the Queen recognizes that in William, and that’s why she’s tutoring Catherine for her role as Queen-Consort, so that she, like the Queen Mother, and Queen Mary before her, can serve as the backbone to the monarchy, guiding it and keeping it on track.

R324 - yet another similarity to how both were portrayed in King Charles III!

I agree, he’s probably not self aware enough to think beyond himself, and consider the greater good. Charles is one of those people who always thinks he knows best, and is surprised, even miffed when others disagree with him.

However, say EII does live as long as her mother, that’s another 8 years, and Charles would be 78. Maybe by then, if he doesn’t realize it yet, he’ll get his time has passed.

LOL re Markle talking about her “grandmother’s apple butter recipe” in that coked up toast vid.

There is no way in hell she actually (1) made apple butter from scratch or (2) her young-ish grandmother had an “apple butter recipe.”

Her grandmother and my parents are about the same age. My parents’ “apple butter recipe” consists of “take your ass to the store and buy some apple butter.”

Rosemegan's Baby?

R331, if Elizabeth doesn't trust Charles and wants to make sure his reign is short, how very convenient for her that she is blessed with such excellent health and hearty old age!

R337, good one! lol.

R327, that is a very good one!

Here’s my favorite.

"Son of Ginger!"

R336, Meg's family is a goat rodeo. Nobody believes she had a relationship with her PARENTS, much less her GRANDPARENTS.

“The Bad Seed”

Princess Anne was once very attractive.

She doesn't care any more, does she?

"I Was A Prisoner of Frogmore Cottage!"

R340, that's a great one. Princess Anne was a knockout! She looks a lot like her father, there.

"My Sister-in-Law, Myself!"

She's aged gracefully, R344.

R346, tall and trim, lovely blond hair - you can't go wrong!

R335, the only good thing that I see about William is that he's Diana's son and that he mostly shuts his mouth and doesn't offer an opinion on anything in public.

The Switch 2

"My Boyfriend Wore a Nazi Uniform, and I Married Him Anyway!"

Nightmare on Frogmore Lane

I’ve always found it interesting that whenever there’s discussion of Charles as king, it’s always about his agenda, the initiatives and policies he wants to put forth. Is Charles not aware that as monarch, that is not his role? He or any other monarch could not push an agenda or policies without the permission of the government. If any part of his agenda or any one policy was remotely political, he wouldn’t be allowed to either. Were Charles to try and go along anyway, ignoring the government, he’d set himself on a course to be forced out, period. See King Charles III.

Frogbusters!

Everyone says Charles understands he's got to keep his mouth shut when he's king. Time will tell. Still, the places he goes, the invitations he accepts, etc. will all speak for him.

The Silence of the Frogs.

[quote] ...given how long Charles has been Duke of Cornwall, how tied he is to the Duchy brand, the Letters Patent could easily be drafted so he retains that title for life were he to step aside and abdicate.

R320 The title was created in 1337 and has had only one purpose. To change its use based on the length of Charles tenure in the role would be short sighted IMO.

Legally he would have given up the title once he became king. The reigning monarch could then give him a dukedom after the abdication. Creating a new one is much simpler than breaking up the traditional arrangement for the heir to the throne. If this were to happen in 10 years, George would be approaching maturity and be entitled to the proceeds of the duchy as Prince of Wales. If Charles lives for a further 15-20 years, would George be denied his estate until Charles dies?

The real problem as I see it, is how to finance an abdicated monarch. That is perhaps the primary spoke in the wheel of any abdication plans. Were Charles and Cam a popular backup act to Liz and Phil, there might be some willingness to consider it, but as things stand, it's unlikely to have much traction.

R355 made me snort-laugh.

R344, she doesn’t care about looking sexy or pretty anymore. She looks professional and appropriate, always. She looks a lot better than those desperate fading beauties who pump their faces full of restylane and teeter around in stilettos. She’s got better things to do. I can see where she can do better, and mentally give her a better hairstyle, but she’s fine.

Yes, Anne is my favorite.

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[quote] the primary spoke in the wheel

That should have been "the spanner in the works" at R358

Great post R331,

[quote]The real problem as I see it, is how to finance an abdicated monarch.

The real problem is fucking with the line of succession. The minute you tinker with it once, you can always nick and trim and rearrange. It either is what it is or it may not be at all. Read your Bagehot.

The night of the frogs .

Frogmore on Whore Street.

R363 I haven't proposed changing the succession. Perhaps other posters have, but that's not my position. Perhaps you should aim your snark at them.

She's extra.

The queen is 93. It's amazing that she can go up and down steps unaided, stand in the hit sun, and sit on a pony. But even if her mind isn't starting to fail, you'd think she would just be SO SICK of the daily drama of the gossip mill. How much does she hear about MM's transgressions, unless she's directly involved (tiara, eggs)?

At some point, she's just going to shove it back to Charles and tell him to deal with it, ffs.

It wasn't snark, R255, don't be so delicate. Not all of us revolve around your pronouncements. You raised the spectre of altering the role and rank of a king and I took it in a slightly different direction. Jesus. It's called conversation.

R369 I posted an article and I've responded to other comments on the topic. I didn't propose changing the role of the monarch. It is within the royal prerogative to abdicate. Nothing I have proposed changes the line of succession.

If you don't like my delicate nature, maybe you should converse with others.

Just so extra.

Charles doesn’t think Harry’s wife is his problem because he checked out of his sons’ lives long ago.

Camilla started accompanying Charles on royal duties less than a year after Diana’s death. It was totally inappropriate, and more instability in the grieving boys’ lives. (FWIW, I like Camilla.)

Charles sees Camilla as his family. He doesn’t much care about anyone else, including his sons.

I’d love to see William put the old asshole out to pasture somehow. Perhaps William needs to start leaking re Charles’s significant heath problems and dementia...???

Neither the Queen nor Prince Charles will abdicate. She's been anointed and will not relinquish the crown and the selfish Prince has waiting pretty well all of his life to get the big prize. End of discussion.

She looks excruciating to be around. Any idea what she was describing so animatedly? A roast chicken?

It’s the coke, r374.

Whatever Happened to Baby Sussex?

I think MM was doing her usual "I'll just talk nonsense to myself so others think I am engaged in conversation" bullshit.

R255 / R358 - I concede to all of your points. I was myself thinking more about how he’d be supported, and just thought “well, maybe just stay Duke of Cornwall and that sorts the income issue”, but you are entirely correct - 8 years from now Prince George would be 13, allowing Charles to keep the dukedom for life, and even if lived another 10 years after, George would be 23 and entitled to the dukedom and the income.

So what about an income? Well, upon reflection I’m realizing Charles is in fact a very wealthy man already. I think it was Forbes that pegging his personal wealth (not the Duchy - just what he owns personally, his properties and portfolio), at near £200 million, so yes, he and Camilla will be all right. I’m sure he’d get protection officers paid from the Sovereign Grant, but I don’t think he’d get an office. Harry would have to start dipping into his inheritance though without Charles footing his and MM’s bills.

If he is pressed for cash, Charles could always sell his place in Wales, and let out his place in Scotland for a few quid.

With Cornwall off the list, what dukedom could be granted? Duke of Clarence? An extinct royal dukedom, and he lives in Clarence House, so maybe? Or maybe, tho not likely, create him Duke of Windsor thus setting that dukedom up as the go to title for abdicated monarchs?

Do you have any thoughts R255?

The Queen won't use the loaded 'abdicate' word. She'll retire from most public duties and then PC will be crowned after her death. The British public still loathe Camilla (far more intensely than do MM) and Charles isn't popular either.

Sparkle wanted - "They're bffs!" pics. That's why she's chatting her brains off (and probably coke too) At some point her chattiness would sync up with the queen's expression as the queen reacted to the performance they're meant to be watching and the media would run with "She makes the queen smile!" All that chatting. The reason the Queen is frozen faced is they're supposed to be paying attention to what's being performed in front of them.

Those clips at R367 and R371 are cringe worthy.

It's so obvious what she is doing there. And she so totally doesn't get that the Queen is focused on the presentation in front of her. That is why the Queen is there. It is the Queen who is being respectful of the people who came out to see her.

Sparkle seems to want the video that looks like she is fascinating the Queen with her perspective.

The second video, taken from the side, shows in a glaringly noticeable way that the Queen is not acknowledging Sparkle at all.

Also, Sparkle should have worn a hat that day, as she was advised. With the wind that day, and this being her big "outing" with the Queen, all those photos show Sparkle looking terrible and only served to show right from the beginning that she doesn't get it.

By all accounts, William isn't in a rush to be king. He'll probably support his father publicly.

It was posted on here that the buyout in the divorce agreement wiped out Charles' liquid cash. So much so that his financial advisor quit because there was nothing left to manage. I'm sure he's made it all back in the intervening years (!) but something like that puts a scare into one.

'It was posted on here that the buyout in the divorce agreement wiped out Charles' liquid cash'

Yet more nonsense.

You bitches are starting to make me feel sorry for Sparkle. I’m a nervous chatterer myself. After the fact, I’m often very embarrassed by how much I charttered in a given situation.

Maybe MM has the same problem? Or does she just want the photos? That is a different story.

Murder At Toadhall .

Yes, R383.

Not only his liquid assets, but Charles also had to borrow money from the Queen which he then had to pay back.

[quote] Or maybe, tho not likely, create him Duke of Windsor thus setting that dukedom up as the go to title for abdicated monarchs?

R378 LOL. I suspect Charles would rather die by being drawn and quartered than have that dukedom. If William did that, it might be wise for him to sleep with one eye open and never walk ahead of Charles.

I think a new duchy would be best. That's why I think it could work if it were initiated by EIIR but would collapse if Charles were to manage it. She has the kind of goodwill from the people that would start that model of leadership transfer on good footing. I think Charles would somehow manage to mess it up and the public would not receive it well coming from him.

R376 for the win!

I wouldn't be surprised if Charles doesn't outlive his mother. The Queen has the air of an old lady who could just keep going, maybe for as long as another 10 years. That seems insane, but her mother made it to 102.

Charles' extreme ruddiness and swollen hands indicates some kind of health problem--perhaps heart-related. He might check out early, like his grandfather and aunt. That would neatly solve the succession problem, wouldn't it?

Whatever HM decides to do, I bet she's the last Windsor monarch to die in the saddle, as it were. Charles knows he can't keep it forever: He's just not popular enough. William will reign for a respectable period of time, probably until he's in his mid-70s, and then give it to George. William never wanted the hassle anyway, so he'll leap at the chance to fulfill his duties and then withdraw into a luxurious retirement.

Given the massive income the Prince of Wales and Monarch receive, any retired monarch should have plenty of dosh to live on. No need to dip into public coffers. The only issue will be the matter of a title, and they may as well solve that sooner rather than later.

I agree that Duke of Clarence would be the best title for a retired Charles. Unlike the Duke of Cumberland, it's not a disputed title. Clarence hasn't been used in nearly 200 years, when William IV gave it up to become monarch. And Charles is associated with Clarence House.

There is the unfortunate 'drowned in a butt of Malmsey' association, but I'm not sure how many people these days even know about that.

R388 - totally agree, that’s why I said “unlikely”, though if William does harbor any ill will towards his father and step-mother over their treatment of his mother, it would be a juicy “FU DAD! FU CAMILLA!” from William, no? LOL

I also 100% agree that all this would need to be agreed to while EII is still on the throne, just like she has the agreement for Edward to inherit Philip’s title (DoE) after his death, as that title would revert to the Crown. If EII is alive, no problem as she can grant it to Edward and his heirs of body, etc. - but she made sure if she is gone that Charles would abide by her and Philip’s wishes.

In the scenario that everything gets sorted while EII is alive, then Charles would agree to abdicate the throne within 6 months of her death, and before any coronation; Charles and Camilla would thereafter be known as “TRH the Duke and Duchess of Clarence” (or whatever dormant royal dukedom he is granted); Charles remains Head of the Commonwealth for 5 years before transitioning that role to William, then Charles and Camilla retire to Highgrove, only showing up at funerals, weddings, commemorations, and the like - no public roles at all.

I do think, while all of this is pure speculation, there is a grain of truth in EII steeling herself to soldier on as long as she possibly can so that Charles ages out or has as short a reign as possible. Who knows! DL sleuths have speculated that Charles swollen extremities indicate underlying health problems, so he may go before the Queen anyway.

I envision MM’s rambling nonsense as a nonstop pitch for more money, one way or another. “So the way it works is you have your downline and you have your upline. I’m your upline, and you just post on Instagram with a bunch of emojis and people buy it. I can even write the posts, if you want! So can I put you down for a starter kit?”

Most people don't really care about Camilla. It just the Diana fanatics who have not moved on. If Charles becomes King, Camilla will become Queen. There was a survey and a majority of the public either didn't care or were apathetic about her becoming Queen consort.

MM is finding that the reality of being a "Princess" is much, much different to all the ideas she had in her head. It will be interesting to see if ... when she finally delivers and what the press will say. Some of them have been waiting in Windsor since the middle of April.

R394 is still working through her anger issues about all the money she lost to that multi-level marketing business.

R337 for the win!

R392 - No, Clarence has been used more recently: "Eddie", the eldest son of Edward VI and Queen Alexandra, who died in young adulthood of typhus (putting his younger brother George V on the throne), was Duke of Clarence and Avnodale.

Charles abdicating is about a loony as Megantointte's pillow pregnancy.

You're embarrassing yourselves.

Wasn't one of the Dukes of Clarence suspected of being Jack the Ripper?

A theory disproved but yes. I think he was Clarence and Avondale. He was also suspected of enjoying the Cleveland Street male brothel so he was busy in his day.

In-depth knowledge of this Skippy person is a sign that you need to get a hobby that doesn't revolve around the internet and the royal family.

Frog Sematary

R384 - Actually, it isn't nonesense. At the time,most of Charles's personal investment portfolio had to be liquidated to pay the lump sum divorce settlement. And yes, in the intervening two+ decades it has recovered nicely. Charles' personal (on paper) worth right now is estimated at $400 million. Of course, a good deal of that is not necessarily liquid assets, land holdings, art, etc. He makes a voluntary contribution to the Exchequer/Crown Estates from the $25 million or so in revenues the Duchy of Cornwall brings him each year, as the Queen does from the revenues from the Duchy of Lancaster - William will eventually inherit Cornwall and then, when his father dies, Lancaster, and Prince George will come into the Duchy of Cornwall wealth.

Their holding are complex and it can be dicey trying to separate their personal wealth, which they built on what they save on taxes for so long, from the contributions to their lifestyle made by the Sovereign Grant (that's taxpayer monies) and funds returned to the government from revenues from the Crown Estates.

Bottom line: none of them are suffering.

I was thinking of Duke of Clarence and St. Andrews, which hasn't been used in since 1830. I did not realize there were, in fact, two Dukes of Clarence titles!

R405 - the Duke of Kent's son is Earl of St Andrews so that title is already taken.

Don't forget the Queen's horse racing winnings.

R401 - Yes, Eddie was reputed to be dissolute, the polar opposite of hiis stolid, earnest, by-the-book younger brother. When Eddie died, he was already (reluctantly) engaged to Princess May of Teck; the BRF didn't see why they should waste a perfectly good match, and just passed May on to George, and they went on eventually to become King George V and Queen Mary.

And then the dissolute fecklessness went to the next generation, with, again, the heir (Prince Edward, later King Edward VIII and then Duke of Windsor), repeating the pattern of a restless, unsuitable heir who bagged it and put his stolid, earnest, by the book younger brother and his wife on the throne.

The odd thing is, in both cases, the younger brothers had made good matches. George and Mary fell in love after their marriage, and the Yorks, of course, were legendarily happy together, even if the bride had been reluctant and turne down Prince Albert's first two proposals.

And here we are with William and Harry, only the older/younger feckless/solid shoes are on the other feet in terms of the succession.

HRH the Grandpapa of the future Princess Royal Charlotte. (Too bad Auntie Anne is the only one of their generation worth of ME!)

Seriously, the LAST thing the poor beleaguered post-Brexit British people should be worried about is how an abdicated Prince Charles would keep the lights on at Highgrove. Like most people of hereditary wealth, he's got hoards of dragon gold stashed all over the place. And the taxman never, ever sees it.

You also saw the responsible/feckless pattern with Elizabeth and Margaret. I suppose it might have happened again with Charles/Andrew if Charles had married Camilla in 1973, as he should have. Though lordy, the children would have been homely.

R411, there was a responsible one: Anne. She's right in front of our faces and still the hardest working.

R401 - When nearly on his deathbed, King George V was reputed to have said of his heir, "After I am gone, the boy will ruin himself in twelve months," and, indeed, King Edward VIII bagged it in 11 months. George, frustrated with his son's disinterest in the boring chore of constitutional monarchy, characterised his son as a "cad" ("You dress like a cad, you look like a cad, you ARE a cad - get out!:) and is also alleged to have said, "I pray he doesn't marry and nothing comes between Bertie and Lilibet [the present Queen, then Princess Elizabeth] and the throne."

Is Charles irresponsible? I know his first marriage was a disaster, but I've never heard of him shirking Royal duties or whining that he doesn't want to be King, as his sons do.

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Chatles’s handling of his personal life has always been very irresponsible.

R414, Williams doesn't appear to shirk his duty. If anything, he presents as though he has taken it seriously all his life - no rush into it because he understands what it entails, but no avoiding what must be done.

R416 The headline doesn't match the story very well. It highlights the disparity between maternal deaths of white women vs women of colour. The UK has better health care for all mothers but WOC are 5 times more likely to die in childbirth than white women. US women overall face mortality deaths similar to Mexico and WOC are 3 times as likely to die in childbirth in the US.

It's appalling.

I don't think MM will be induced tomorrow. She won't want to be upstaged by the Met Gala. The British press love reporting on it, esp as tabloid darling Harry Styles is co chairing.

R414 - Charles wrote directly to sitting MPs about suggested policies on varied topics. They were mostly ignored by the MPs who received them and were snarkily called Charles's "spider memos" because of HRH's handwriting. Just the same, they overstepped the sacrosanct border of political neutrality that is crucial to maintaining a constitutional monarchy, because royalty using their privileged access to use influence as backdoor political power is what Britons fought and died to prevent over centuries of evolution.

What was worse, the AG at the time, Dominic Grieve, used his office to protect Charles by blocking publication of the memos, stating that their publication would compromise Charles's constitutional position. It was only through the efforts of The Guardian through the FOIA that finally got the "spider memos" released.

I'm not a particular fan of The Graun, but in this case the nation owes it a debt for revealing Charles's dereliction of the clear boundaries of his position. That the memos wer harmless was not the point: the point was that Charles knowingly used his privileged access to try to influence political policy - one of the biggest no-nos in the constitutional monarchical rulebook.

Grieve was right: the knowledge that Charles tried to influence politicial policy should have compromised Charles's constitutional position. But, of course, Charles was protected from accountability (of course, perhaps the Queen ripped him one privately) for his little venture.

It was egregiously irresponsible, and that's probably why the Queen refuses to step down before he's too old to enjoy becoming King at last.

By not stepping down, the Queen is probably the only person in Britain who HAS forced some accountability on Charles for this appalling derelction of his clear duty, which put at risk now only his own constitutional position, but called into question the very reliability of the monarchy's neutrality.

How long ago did this happen with Charles?

Thank you, R421, for explaining it to the non-Brits.

R422 - The case was openein in 2010 and it took five years to get the documents released, and the documents named in the case were written in 2004-2005. Below are some comments by a former press adviser to the PoW on the issue:

"In 2006, the former deputy private secretary and press adviser to the Prince of Wales, Mark Bolland, said that the Prince had referred to himself as a "dissident" who worked against the prevailing political consensus. Concerning Charles's views, Bolland said that he "...routinely meddled in political issues and wrote sometimes in extreme terms to ministers, MP's and others in positions of political power and influence...The prince used all the means of communication at his disposal, including meetings with ministers and others, speeches and correspondence with leaders in all walks of life and politicians. He was never party-political, but to argue that he was not political was difficult...These letters were not merely routine and non-controversial...but written at times in extreme terms...containing his views on political matters and individual politicians at home and abroad and on international issues...I remember on many occasions seeing in these day files letters which, for example, denounced the elected leaders of other countries in extreme terms, and other such highly politically sensitive correspondence."

Despite this, the "harmless" and "underwhelming" (not to say childish) character of the memos helped Charles to dodge a bullet - except from those of us who agree with Bolland that however harmless they appeared in direct terms, Charles had crossed a boundary for which he should have been soundly held to account.

The spider memos, I recall those (and the Guardian's campaign). How old was Charles when that all went down? Less than 10 yrs ago, was it? Agreed that it reflects very poorly on him. Here we all are ripping comparatively minor royals (rightfully so, imo) for their lack of understanding with regard to their own duties, but this was the heir himself.

And speaking of William and the it seems generally accepted view that he would make a better King than Charles... I don't know. Up until very recently I viewed W and H very similarly - both extremely privileged without really appreciating it and both prone to pouting and whingeing about their duties/destiny. I do sense a new - energy? acceptance of his role? - in William that I imagine may be a natural result of simple aging and fatherhood.

There seems again to be a general consensus that Charles and Diana made the right call in their choice to raise those boys with 'normal' experiences, or as normally as possibly whilst still accepting that they weren't average boys at all. And as they've gotten older I've found myself questioning that decision, especially in William's case when he was younger and his feeling towards his duties and future kingship seemed to be resentment and little else. There are so many photos of him where you can tell he's just barely tolerating having to interact with the peasants and be photographed by the media. Bitch you're only unimaginably wealthy and deferred to BECAUSE those peasants have agreed to the arrangement and because those media types talk about your dumb ass all the time! Same with Harry but it mattered less with him because he was never going to be king. Now I see a split in the brothers, one coming into his own as the future king (I mean, maybe, I'm not yet 100% convinced William will be a good king) and the other almost doubling down, via his choice of wife and lifestyle, on his belief that he is somehow hard done by by his own circumstances.

The Wales brothers are at an important life crossroads. End of youth/beginning of true duty, fatherhood, heir-hood, prince-hood etc. The good will they were both afforded in their handsome youths will soon be entirely gone and they'll have to start earning it in good faith.

The post at r421 pretty much sums up the problem with the monarchy. No, we don’t want them exerting undue political influence. That means they’re reduced to visiting schools and accumulating patronages, where they don’t have to do hardly any work at all. Hence the dilemma—if they’re making no impact whatsoever (don’t tell me they attract tourists—they don’t), then why have them at all, let alone grant them lavish lifestyles.

R424 - 2004-2005, was it? So more like 15 years ago. Thanks. This:

"the Prince had referred to himself as a "dissident" who worked against the prevailing political consensus."

- if true, that's...wow.

R426 - it's a fascinating dilemma, isn't it? They can't be afforded any real power, fine. But then we have the fact of these practically useless aristos basically doing fuck all and living lives of luxury. I suppose the argument would be able the actual people as ciphers and the real worth being the symbolism of the roles. Which is also where I see a lot of the resentment of the royals themselves (excepting Liz). They sense that they as people are not at all important and that it's the roles and duties that they embody that actually matter (if either matters at all). They sense that in some important ways their lives on a personal, lived level could be viewed as meaningless or close to it.

It's just very interesting to watch this all play out in a modern context. I do wonder how long the situation will be viewed as sustainable. In 100 years, will the emotional connection to monarchy, or the memory of a time when they mattered more still be there? Will the public tolerance for funding lavish lifestyles in exchange for some spectacular weddings and speeches in front of gold pianos be seen as worth it? I wouldn't even describe myself as a republican, but I certainly don't feel the deference to monarchy that (for example) my grandmother does. I feel a kind of fairly benign combo of annoyance and affection for them. And once Liz is gone the affection levels will be significantly lowered.

R424, I think Mark Bolland was the PR guy that Prince Charles hired to increase the positive profile of Camilla. Boland's tactics were to throw other royals under the bus to make Charles and Camilla look better.

Those thrown were Charles' sons, both William and Harry, as well as Charles' brother Edward.

The Queen finally stepped in and demanded that Boland be removed. She reminded Charles that members of the RF were to support each other, not attack each other to increase their own popularity.

For the story, see the 2 part video on Youtube "Reinventing the Royals".

[quote]The Wales brothers are at an important life crossroads. End of youth/beginning of true duty, fatherhood, heir-hood, prince-hood etc. The good will they were both afforded in their handsome youths will soon be entirely gone and they'll have to start earning it in good faith.

Nicely put, R425. I also think they've used up all the good will given to them as boys who lost their mother at a young age. Diana has been gone a long time.

Also, thanks very much for the summation, R421. I wonder if Charles is the last in the line of Windsor heirs who really cares about being king. One gets the sense that if the people voted to turn Republican, William would shrug, take his golden parachute, and gratefully get the fuck out.

If you've been a participant of these many threads and have not yet bothered to watch "The Windsors" on Netflix, then I don't know what to say for you!

The Royal Windsor Horse Show begins on the 8th. Do crowds show up for this event, and will it affect the reporters/Long Walk?

Yup. Sparkles will have to wait until the following week. Will that do?

Does anyone know if the Windsors is coming back for a third series?

R425 I find a significant difference in the two princes. William got through university and obtained a degree (notably, in part due to Catherine's encouragement. She was his source of strength in attaining something relatively new and rare for BRF). Americans may take wealth and intellectual accomplishment for granted as going hand-in-hand (a la the Kennedy and Bush families) but it's not historically an aristo thing in the U.K. William didn't have family role models to guide him or model success for academic achievement. His father obtained a degree, but due to the estranged relations between the young princes and Charles following the divorce with Diana and subsequent tragedy, there was little guidance. And then there was Kate... Without her, William may well have dropped out of university. With her, he was able to accomplish something on his own, and continued to grow and develop from there.

Harry, who never exhibited any intellectual curiosity, did enjoy some success in the Army, but when called upon to actually study and take exams and prove himself in order to move up chose to drop out. It was beyond him. He hadn't in the internal resources nor the external support. It's as though he's still stuck on pause as an adolescent.

Yeah, it's not that I think there are hardly any differences between W and H, just that their blindness to their own privilege and a certain unstiff upper lip about their duties seemed, quite recently, to be a similarity. I think William may be coming around to the realities of his role and situation but we'll see.

As for academics, neither one strike me as particularly bright, but Harry does strike me as particularly dim. It's one reason I can very easily understand why he fell for MM (who I do think he actually fell for) - he simply wasn't smart enough to see through the act many of us could spot from a distance. He has clearly bought what she's selling, and it'll be interesting to see if he continues to do so. As of right now I think he's still 100% on the She's Amazing train.

I wonder if the baby will come tomorrow, knocking the Met Gala off the headlines in the UK.

The first kid of the old spare with a narc wife isn't going to knock the met gala down. Unless they have some drama cooked up in the form of twins or tragic mutation.

R437, I'm here to tell you that it definitely will. The Met Gala parade is a NYC thing and it definitely won't knock Merry and their first kid off the headlines in the UK.

You are so teenage and silly with your constant narc/moonbump squawking.

The media has officially run out of things to say about the baby now. The Sun's front page tomorrow is speculating that Meghan's labour will be induced by shock at the ending of Line of Duty.

All the delays are really fuelling the Skippy type trolls. Feverish posting about 'medical holds' and 'immigration detentions'.

R185 Yes, it must be debilitating to realise that as a child, and young adult, you do much the same as your peer group. Go to school, join the army, but then you get pulled from that, and have to spend the remainder of your life going to church services and attending worthy causes. Yes, there are perks, but the futility and mindless boredom would set in quite early. It’s actually quite a wasted life.

The longer this goes, the more apparent what a shitty, self serving bitch move the coat was.

I don’t think she’s faking but I do think she started moonbumping after the coat - because not showing at all for the next two months would’ve shown the public what an attention whore bitch she was that day.

She has never 'moonbumped'. The ideal is a SMALL pregnancy, not the wide bump and balloon face she is experiencing, with weight gain around her entire torso. Megan Fox or even Kate herself is what every woman aspires to and Meghan is a similar height and weight to her. Nobody is padding or wearing moonbumps. Every time you say that, you make me think of a 70 year old woman in the stages of early dementia. wandering round her house talking to herself.

Will Meghan push this guy off the headlines tomorrow?

'Meghan is a similar height and weight to her' - to Megan Fox, not Kate.

R437 You have to be joking. Nobody gives a fuck about the Met Gala in the UK...and I can assure you that Ginger Jesus will be one of the biggest stories of the year. Unfortunately.

'I don’t think she’s faking but I do think she started moonbumping after the coat - because not showing at all for the next two months would’ve shown the public what an attention whore bitch she was that day. '

This makes no sense. If she was showing at three months, she was going to be showing ever afterwards, too, unless she wore tent dresses which would immediately have aroused suspicion. She had a real MOONBUMP and probably prayed she'd look smaller. But she didn't. She couldn't do whatever she was doing all these years to hold onto her 110 lbs and the FAT came for her. NOT desirable, though.

The only people who care about the Met Gala in the UK are Harry Styles fans. Meghan will knock any news off the front page, bar a terrorist strike.

Except 443, the moonbump is her face - it is ENORMOUS. But she wore the coat and made the announcement to try to steal Princess Eugenie's day, which was a 100% trashy thing to do. Granted she comes from trash and is an attention whore, so we shouldn't expect any better based on her upbringing, but she married into a role where she's supposed to set a graceful and respectful tone, and that is apparently absolutely beyond her capabilities.

R442, I agree. She just couldn’t wait, had to steal Eug’s thunder and spent the rest of her time making it look bigger than it was.

Way back in my 20s a friend of ours got a girl pregnant. She walked around a party with her Levi’s unbuttoned because she was soooo uncomfortable with anything pressing against the “baby”. It was super early and her belly was as flat as a board. Ridiculous. (That kid is 20-something now. Sheesh.) She’d arch her back to make it stick out more. And when she finally did start to show, she was a HOUSE. Petite skinny little thing like MM, too. Lost the weight immediately, though.

The thing about women who've never been pregnant, is that they can only imagine what it is like. They picture their ideal pregnancy, and how madonna-like (not the popstar kind) they will appear. It's all imaginary and based on things they've seen - and this crucial - but never personally experienced. Pregnancy is like being on a train that someone else is engineering - and sometimes the ride is not what you expected.

Meg probably thought she'd look graceful and willowy like Kate. Even though Kate suffered from hyperemesis gravidarum, she actually made it LOOK easy. So Meg probably thought she'd look similarly lovely and the world would be similarly excited. Reality has crept up on her though. She looks ghastly and her self-promotion has worn thin. Her stans are breathlessly awaiting the birth, but the "family she never had" is as cold to her as the one she came from.

I can’t wait to stop talking about bumps.

SohoBebe's birth will be huge news. The Met Gala hardly registers anyway, even in the US.

Megan Fox is a terrible actress and an insufferable human being, but wouldn't Meghan love to look like her!

R449, Eugenie isn't even known as Princess here, you sound so ridiculous the way you fawn over her. She was exceedingly lucky to get a televised wedding, and by Monday everyone had forgotten all about it.

You remind me of the Train Station Troll on the MJ is a Pedo threads. Every single time anyone made a point, he went back to the same point and screeched 'BUT THE TRAIN STATION'. You are the same: 'BUT EUGENIE'S WEDDING'!

I'm going to call you the Eugenie's Wedding Troll.

R158 ... available at Coldwater Creek.

R454 you were raised in a barn. Eugenie could be an actual troll and it would still be in poor taste to attempt to upstage the bride.

Get it into your head - when you marry into a family you're supposed to give a damn about them. Trying to upstage one at her own wedding is in poor taste - whether she's a princess or a milkmaid. It's about displaying some grace and civility. Meg can't do that. You apparently can't either. Neither of you can understand what nice manners mean, it's just so far beyond your comprehension.

Agree R449, at this point, only the most feverish Meghan fans will defend the maternity coat stunt at Eugenie's wedding. Every passing day makes it worse and worse.

'Every passing day makes it worse and worse'.

The But Eugenie's Wedding Troll came in on another device to agree with herself.

Frumpy Eugenie and her wedding are long forgotten.

'BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT PRINCESS EUGENIE'S WEDDING!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

EVERY PASSING DAY MAKES IT WORSE AND WORSE!

Megbots having a hard time.

I think we've already established that this baby is so late, it's going to be born with long, claw-like nails, teeth, a full head of hair, and doing a song-and-dance routine. This is one late bebe!

Did anyone else feel kind of sorry for Wallis, in a way, when learning of her sad end?

What happened to her? Alzeimhers or cancer?

Yes, with every passing day that Meghan doesn't give birth, it shows that she wore that big coat at Eugenie's wedding to announce a pregnancy that was well before the 12 week mark. Maybe even 8 or 9 weeks. Look at the sheeple who think upstaging Eugenie on her big day was just fine.

In fairness, people would have speculated that Meghan was pregnant at Eugenie's wedding regardless of what she wore. When she and Harry announced their engagement, I remember some comments along the lines of, "Look at that big white coat, I wonder if she's trying to hide a baby bump." Then, at her own wedding, people were saying, "That dress is so loose-fitting, I wonder if she's pregnant."

R447 my point is she wasn’t showing at Eugenie’s wedding. The coat was the only thing “showing.” It was the coat and her exaggerated manner with it that started the whisper and the focus on her. She wasn’t really showing yet and there was no reason for her to reveal yet but she did.

However, Once she was in, she had to go all in. If she’d gone on that tour as flat stomached as she was at the wedding, everyone would know it wasn’t a “cats out of the bag, I had to tell because everyone could see.” They would know it was “I twirled my giant coat for attention, not because my regular coat wouldn’t fit me.” That’s why I think she’s padded her stomach since that point. She may have stopped after a few months when she really started showing but in the beginning, I think she padded because she needed to act like the upstage was accidental and everyone would have been able to see she was pregnant even if she said nothing.

R411 Even with Diana’s genes and her own looks, which were the best of a bad lot, the other Spencer gals being quite homely themselves, William was really the only jewel in that genetic crown. Harry was an ordinary looking child, and had a brief resurgence as an adolescent and young adult, but he has regressed looks wise and hair wise. Dare I also say judgement wise?

Clearly her goal is NOT to be a part of the family or even to stay in it for long, R442.

She has balls, the stunt she pulled at the Investature was to try to force their hand and to make them look -- unkind.

She is an attention whore bitch on steroids. She even stoops to getting her name in the media for trash talking PRESCHOOL AGED FAMILY MEMBERS. Eh, the sooner she is gone, the better. If they will not go to Africa, funds should be cut off.

Well, I for one candidly admit, I want this show to get on the road. I'm more interested in what's going to happen with Harry and Meghan after the kid hype dies down.

If MM wants to seal the deal even more, she might want to have a second baby, but if so, she'd better do it, quick. She's not getting any younger.

She also seems like the type that'll have hormonal problems for the rest of her days, post-childbirth. And she will be the ultimate controlling wife and parent, esp when it come to image management. Have fun Harry, Lol.

R468, the UK tabloids are notorious for floating unlikely rumours. They've said Kate and Wills were moving to Canada or Australia at various times too. Baby Sussex will be brought up at Frogmore Cottage and they'll probably have a second child before Megs is 40. They're going nowhere.

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R465 I read pregnancy rumours when she wore the yellow dress at the Commonwealth cocktail event. I thought there was nothing to see there, but the rumours persisted. I read more rumours when she wore the Hugo Boss green leather pencil skirt with the crumpled silk shirt (early October). I found the creasing odd since it's such a simple thing to fix. After the pregnancy announcement, I wondered if the shirt was used as a distraction. If people are complaining about her creased shirt they are less likely to pay attention to her belly.

For the posters who think the DoS announced too soon, given the date of Eugenie's wedding, the start the tour to Oceania and how long they would be away, when would have been a better time to make the announcement in your opinion?

I have wondered a bit, in the back of my mind, whether Wallis' strict dieting practices may have contributed to her becoming so very weak. Weaker than she would have been, otherwise.

First pregnancy and as fit as she is, I bet she could have gotten to December before she was visibly, undeniably having to admit it.

I don’t believe she’s “so overdue.” There’s too many risks with going over. I think she was barely pregnant when they announced- like six or eight weeks, not the 12 they claimed.

Megs had pregnancy rumours whenever she stepped out, as does Kate. Her floaty cape coat at Yuge's wedding will have been an attempt to cover up a slight bump, not show it off. She is keen to do the correct thing. Thank goodness she is generally liked by the British public.

Hahahaha

Haha 475; you’re funny!

I think Blake Lively’s announcement this week was much more chic.

Sunday Night Unhinged!

That pregnancy announcement was like wearing white to another couple's wedding. Whipping out a breast and nursing at another baby's christening. Bringing BBQ to a Passover Seder. Anybody got any other upstagey faux pas?

She just HAD to, R479! What other choice did poor little Meghan have?

I hear you R479.

Assuming Meghan was 12 pregnant around the time of Eugenie's wedding, when would be a better time to announce it? Should they have done it while on the tour? Should they have done it when they returned from the tour? Should they have announced it a 3-4 weeks before the wedding?

^^^^ 12 weeks

announced it 3-4 weeks

You could always refuse to wear a hat when seated next to the HRH the Queen (when she's wearing a hat).

R481, after the tour sounds like one reasonable idea.

That seems reasonable R484 but then she wouldn't drink on the tour, or she could get sick and they'd need an explanation. Would it be better to announce it in the UK and endure the scorn or announce it on tour after they'd been sussed?

Will the But Eugenie's Wedding Troll give it a rest. Who cares?

R486, it's clear you don't care about good manners. You're a cow and you behave like a cow and you're not offended by the other cows. Got it. How about giving that a rest? Because some people do still care. HRH, for example.

The Yorks and their friends probably cared too.

R485, so drink water. It's not a big deal. Women have been abstaining from drinking alcohol for years without calling attention to it.

And if it were noticed, so what?

I just looked again at Meg's coat from Yuge's wedding and it's a navy, straight cut coat designed to conceal her slight bump. Nothing 'maternity' about it. She is very thin and showed early, so confirmed early. No mystery or upstaging.

The But Eugenie's Wedding Troll (R487) is some poor 80 year old frau in a retirement home. Dementia mean she repeats the same phrases over and over. Blocking her is the sanest course of action.

Are (some) of the MM fanatics narcs? Because I find the minimizing, gaslighting, and unfounded accusations pretty textbook narcissistic behavior.

[quote] so drink water. It's not a big deal.

R489 That's not common in Europe unless there's a health or religious reason. It's definitely not something that would go unnoticed. The media speculation would have been feverish.

Personally I think announcing at the wedding was shitty unless you're very good close with bride and she has cleared it before hand. That was obviously not the case. However, I think announcing on the tour would have been shitty too because it would have overshadowed the tour even more and the British public shouldn't hear it as leaked information from half way around the world. In an ideal world, she would have fallen pregnant 6 weeks later and the announcement couldn't have clashed with the wedding.

Ah, and there it is! R490 Fanatistan is encouraging posters to block people who think Meghan could have held off a few days before announcing her 9 week pregnancy in order to let Eugenie have her day.

Yes, R491, these are Meghan's Flying Monkeys.

'Are (some) of the MM fanatics narcs? Because I find the minimizing, gaslighting, and unfounded accusations pretty textbook narcissistic'

Are you suffering from monomania or some bizarre form of OCD which forces you to write 'narc' over and over again? In the UK 'narc' is short for 'narcotic', not 'narcissist'. And you are the one gaslighting, saying a plain straight navy coat is a 'maternity coat'.

And yet again at R493, we have the But Eugenie's Wedding Troll, making her OCD point for the 400th time on this thread! F and F and block.

For an American whose so into macro dieting that she had to be scolded by the queen not to berate the staff, it really shouldn't be a big deal to drink water instead of wine. It's not like she's French turning up her nose at the local wines while touring Italy after all.

Perhaps the point is being made because it is a good one that hasn't been refuted or conceded.

Lol, calm down, R494, ect. You seem... um... highly invested.

R498, now it's time to roll out your next textbook CT-er accusation - that I am a 'paid shill' from a 'social media team'.

All misogynist tinhat trolls share the same playbook.

The coat Meg wore at E's wedding was straight, NOT maternity. It was similar to the coat Kate wore and was designed to shield, not flaunt, her small bump. Stop gaslighting people who have never seen the pictures into thinking she wore a billowing maternity cape.

No, R494 - here in the UK “narc” is used for narcissist, not narcotics. Only the police talk about narcotics.

Piss off and stick your tongue up that big-nosed bint’s shitty arsehole elsewhere, will you? You’re turning our stomachs.

Where is this toast video you speak of?

R479 obviously has not been to a seder in Texas.

The Megbots really are a very strange bunch. What drives them? There is nothing remotely redeeming about Smegs except for the fact that she's mixed race. That's her one good feature. And she's not doing the image of mixed-race women any favors with her constant stunting.

I genuinely don't know how anyone could 'worship' this woman, as the megbots seem to do. I had high hopes for her at the beginning but now I wince. She's genuinely horrible.

Is this our first clue? She will lay her egg in the Frogmore pond in the next 48 hours? Will Gayle have the exclusive when the tadpole turns into a frog, and emerges from the waters? I'll bet the sprog as already formed its legs!

Discuss!

R496 My point wasn't that Meghan can't abstain from drinking but that her doing so would have generated more speculation about a pregnancy than by simply making the announcement.

*frog HAS

Meanwhile, before she made it known she was all but betrothed to Harry, if you said Meghan Markle to Oprah or Gayle, they would probably think you were referring to Angela Merkel's daughter or something. Close friends indeed.

MM super-fanatics tend share certain personality traits. They sound very similar to one another, and are extremely predictable.

'Piss off and stick your tongue up that big-nosed bint’s shitty arsehole elsewhere, will you? You’re turning our stomachs.'

What kind of jobless, foul mouthed character are you? Some repellent, 300 lb, fetid old man living on the 15th floor of a 70s tower block, claiming benefits.

Meghan's CLOSE FRIEND, Gayle King.

May you enjoy the close friends, as well as the family you never had, MM. You earned it.

In what world is THIS a maternity coat, designed to flaunt a bump? The racist, fascist Markle haters have gone mad. Meg is a sweet faced, slightly eccentric, liberal, eager to please woman who makes mullish Harry happy. A welcome addition to the Firm.

Official announcement of the pregnancy was October 15.

A woman more caring of others’ feelings would not have announced the pregnancy to family at another family member’s wedding.

I don’t think MM ever stated she was 12 weeks pregnant in mid October. I think that was all media speculation, based on the fact most women wait 12 weeks to announce, as miscarriage is less likely after 12 weeks.

R501, the toast video. Much more fun than screeds about pet conspiracy theories.

Two years ago, she had to sneak into big events. Now she has Beyonce, Oprah, Clooney, and Posh Spice falling all over themselves to be her friend.

Does she even still need the Mulroney woman in Canada any more?

Thanks for admitting that the DoS did not announce her pregnancy at PE's wedding, R512. She announced it three days later, when E was well away and enjoying her honeymoon.

It's disturbing that you still need to mention your OCD topic every other post, But Eugenie's Wedding Troll.

I have feeling if she drops Mulroney, allllll the secrets will come out, so I think Mulroney is not going anywhere (except to the baptism in a Kartrashian-level figure hugging dress)

Fuck off you lowlife degenerate r515. That was my FIRST post on the issue. You’re the one who is obsessed.

R517, repulsive fascist frau! Get your facts straight. DoS did not 'announce at the wedding', you vile racist.

You truly are too stupid to live, you dumb cunt r518.

The rhetotic and behavior of MM fanatics are really making me dislike MM.

The Megbots seem to be getting angrier and angrier with every passing day.

They seem to have finally twigged that Meghan is THE most universally hated public figure in the UK right now, and they can't bear the truth.

*rhetoric

I’m fairly indifferent to MM. I do believe she’s a narcissist, but that’s not necessarily a bad trait for someone who will spend a great deal of time in the public eye.

I do think the way she treated her father was deplorable.

All the Meg haters are like scabby, spazzy 10 year old boys who've just learnt to swear, and think people are going to be intimidated by them them throwing 'cunt' around.

Vibrant, smiley, IG loving Meg has modernised the monarchy! Very few people in the UK hate her. The loathing seems to come from homophobic, racist Trump voters from across the pond.

'They seem to have finally twigged that Meghan is THE most universally hated public figure in the UK right now, and they can't bear the truth'

You are insane. People hate Theresa May and Camilla far more than they hate Meghan, who has done nothing but marry Harry and quickly conceive another royal baby. What is there to hate? He had to marry someone and Meghan is a glamorous, fascinating woman.

At least the pillow troll has gone away. She was here around R3, but got scared off.

Brits love vivacious Meg!

People Brits hate more than Harry's wife:

Simon Cowell

Piers Morgan

Steven Bear

Danny Dyer

Camilla, Enemy of Diana

Prince Charles

Fugenie

Phil Mitchell

EEww

In the next generation, do we expect Prince George to find a wife who has never tweeted a political opinion, or Instagrammed a food preference? At a recent event, Kate Middleton was asked by a child if the Queen eats pizza. Kate claimed she didn't know. The British monarchy runs on children dreaming about what the monarch eats at home and never getting an answer.

The simple solution is to abolish such an absurd and anachronistic system. It's clear that Meghan has a chance to make the monarchy more inclusive, but there's a limit to just how inclusive that system can be when it confers deference, alongside all these unchosen pressures, on the basis of bloodline. Prince Harry has talked in the past about wanting to give up on royal life.

If Meghan and Harry want to be truly radical, perhaps they should walk away completely. They could have no greater influence on royal life than by denouncing it.

MM announced at the wedding, it was reported in the broadsheets, not just the tabs. Eugenie was upset and MM then skipped out on the evening reception. She wore a maternity coat that was only buttoned at the top. A spokesman confirmed she had her twelve week scan prior to Australia. What is this revisionist history from me stans? Suddenly realising your fave has feet of clay and lied about how pregnant and was?

To Frog And To Die .

Even if she did stand on a chair and scream 'I'm pregnant, fuck you, Eugenie', who cares at this point? I doubt Eugenie gives it a second thought. Only ugly fraus on here give a damn.

I hope Meghan continues to do controversial stuff and stir up trouble so the misogynist, racist trolls will keep being outraged.

If she keeps rockin that royal boat she will be out on her own .

She won't. Harry is still in love with her and will go where she and the baby go.

So those of us who loathe Duchess Yoko because she's a tin-plated cunt are actually misogynistic and racist? That's interesting! Only because it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, but I'm getting used to all you simplistic assholes who live comfortably in denial. DL is crawling with them lately, and I use the word crawling deliberately.

How can we be racist . She is fucking white the most part of her life .

I’m not a MM fan, r530, but I believe the only source for the 12 week statement was People Magazine, quoting a royal source. I could be wrong in that, but it wasn’t, AFAIK, an official source.

Put it on ignore, r535. I did and the crazy has almost disappeared.

R513 Bless you for that! I hadn't yet had the pleasure of the Toastgate video. So much total and utter cringe in that vid - but I think my personal fave is when Markle over enunciates 'Ric COAT Ah'

Where is that baby?

Right, R538? There's so much fun to be had with MM without resorting to conspiracy theories or idealizing Kate or seething about DLers with varying opinions.

Yeezus I just looked at Toastgate. .She really thinks she s all that isn’t she ? 😂

She was still young than . 😂

There was a comment on toastgate from a woman who was saying how lucky Harry was with a woman who cooks for him that well . Its indeed better than the conspiracy theories .

Harry is surrounded by the best money can buy, and that includes cooking. He's one of the few people in the world who already has world-class food at his fingertips day in, day out. Her cooking, even if it's decent, would never be as highly valued where she's landed as it might be in less gilded arenas.

she is a vegan but dropped that immediatly when she met Harry . Like she dropped everything else in her life . There’s a pattern in it .

These reporters waiting from midmarch outside Windsor must all Go Home . She must be gloating and full of herself knowing they are waiting outside for the birth of .

Sorry for the birth of FrogBaby

The reporters really should just go game and ignore the birth. She and Harry have behaved so ridiculously.

Go home

Check out my buns, bitches!

She looks like a lady boy at r450.

Very masculine face and body. Drag makeup.

Is she cross eyed?

She's.A.Fucking.Whore.

Read the comments on the youtube link at R550-- hilarious! They must all be DLers.

Come on R494. She knew exactly what she was doing, wearing that coat, following on from several other outfits which caused the minions to ask the question every time she appeared. She loved the speculation.

And a ‘narc’ or ‘nark’ (same sound) is also a term used to describe a police informer. So take your pick.

She reminds me of Elizabeth Hammer.

The people who viciously hate her and the unhinged defenders are equally disturbing.

She sure does like putting things on toast.

R534 You really must believe in fairy tales if you think Harry would give up the perks of belonging to the RF because he’s so much in luuuurve with Megs! The previous Meg in that position decided that she would stick to the RF rather than slog it out in the suburbs with no servants, furs or tiaras to make life bearable.

Love rarely conquers all.

Toastgate is unintentional comedy gold. The excessive blinking because of the feather duster eyelash extensions! The nail polish chosen to match the shade of the sainted grandmother's apple butter, which MM tweaked to be modern. Naturally! When the poor interviewer, who looks like she'd rather be getting an OBGYN exam, compliments her on the TIG, MM botches her timing and blurts "Thank you" before barreling on. The discussion of monogrammed silk pajama tops - "if you can pull it off" - unintentional comedy fucking gold. All of it. How many takes did MM force that woman to go through to get the right cut? She so very badly wanted her own cooking show or to be the next Martha Stewart, it's painful. I almost feel sorry for her. The woman lucked out when a dimwitted prince looked her way. She grifted her way to the top, and I give her endless props for pulling it off.

I wonder if it ever makes her fume to think that Harry was the only one she could possibly have snared. She has to realize she got the dregs, especially if it was Wills she originally wanted (and somehow I believe he WAS the one she really wanted.)

The toast video convinces me that she should cut her hair into a bob - she would look so much more modern.

Cock sucking whores don't wear their hair in bobs. Men only like long hair, even if it 's ugly and damaged.

Sweet Jesus, that grilling video. Is that what she used on Harry? I'm not sure whether to guffaw or cringe.

That interviewer really looked scared 😂

OMG, that toast video is gold. Man, was she coked up. She was awful proud of herself for slathering some shit on some bread. You could see the host reevaluating her whole life trajectory in her eyes, like FML.

The grilling video - a poor copy of Paris Hilton’s ad.

R564, the host looked scared and had hostage eyes. I was waiting for her to blink in morse code by the end.

Fuck she really is just another Anotha Ho Ova Dere: LA griftertastic

So basic. So common.

Harry is a prize idiot.

He will regret this for the rest of his life.

That is not her hair, silly goose. Those are wigs and weaves.

Maybe she didn't use a moon bump. Maybe she just stuffed all her ratty weaves into a plastic garbage bag and used THAT as a moon bump!

She's fucking disgusting. I had high hope for her in the beginning, but now? No.

At this point I would put nothing - no stunt, no lie, no fakery - past her.

She's a common LA whore made good. Sad to see what this will do to the Royal Family. They all look down on her and so think they're safe from her stench. But they are not. She could well bring the whole house down. She really could.

"She could well bring the whole house down. She really could."

I've said that since day one. It only takes one person, chipping away consistently, to make that happen. I know it seems impossible, but it's not.

Agreed, r571. This whore could well be the Swan Song.

Hi Megstan. Penny per post?

R470 - My view, as well. Meghan's "brand" and financial viability at the level to which she has become accustomed are not nearly established enough to take off. We're looking at at least 3-4 years of continued wearisome PR wars, "fridge magnet philosophers" parading their virtue, and at least one more pregnancy within 18 months of this baby's birth. With her "humanitarian brand" established, then in her early forties, with the Queen ever frailer and Charles's reign looking to be ever shorter, and the Cambridges being moved up more and more quickly . . . that will be Meghan's window, and it's a narrow one, to either jump or move toward her inexorable destiny as the future Pss. Michael of Kent.

SKY NEWS Update - Meghan has gone into labour. This is an official confirmation.

I‘ve been waiting for this for about 40 threads....

Further to the SKY News update: Meghan was admitted to HOSPITAL this morning, so the home birth was either a rumour from the get-go, or had to be ditched due to the overdue birth + her age. But no one knows which hospital, but they are NOT at Frogmore Cottage.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I hope the baby arrives safe and well and quickly.

r578 Can go back to Mumsnet. Bitch, that baby will be FINE, so spare us your virtue signalling.

But the grifter mother needs to be exiled.

Did you not catch the quickly part, R579. Please keep up.

How did they get her from Frogmore to the hospital with nobody noticing? Perhaps she wasn't at Frogmore at all.

She's never been at Frogmore, and she never WILL be at Frogmore.

There's nothing that's going to be announced "quickly" r580. Lady Basic Grifter HoBag is still stretching this out for as much media coverage as possible. That's what Ho-bags do.

What Royals do is come outside quickly, smile for five minutes, go back inside and have a genuine private life.

Just wait. BasicHoBitchfromLA will string this out, detail by detail, as if it's the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama

I wish someone got a picture of her because we know she is size of a beached whale

Well, children, there is already a Meghan is in Labour thread up, we may as well gravitate there, as no one will be talking about anything else.

However, before doing so, I do want to point out again the circus Meghan and Harry managed to turn the birth of the 7th in line in contrast to the quiet, straightforward way in which Kate and William managed to have the next heir to the throne.

I think this too . She is hiding away in the cotswolds and maybe when BabyFrog is born she will live,at Frogcottage a few weeks ..

This thread is filling up fast so here is the Part 49.

I'm hardly her fan, but can we at least elevate the tone of criticism instead of sounding like guttersnipes? Really "hobag" and "basic bitch" don't make the writer sound particularly eloquent. It doesn't make your point any more effectively to sound like a trash-talking pleb.

Welcome to the new, woke DL, R588.

Meghan controlling the narrative.

How convenient she went into labor (i.e., was induced) on a Monday so that we get an entire press week of stories. Any guesses on how long she'll drag out revealing the name just to keep the story going?

How long did Kate wait? I shall google.

Kate waited 2/3 days depending on the child, so Meghan gets at least that much leeway. Is Wednesday or Thursday a better PR Instagram post day?

I think about three days.

It looks like George was 1 day (but more pressure with future king), Charlotte 2 and Louis 3.

^I'm wrong. George was 2 days.

They'll drag this out forever. Then we'll get a million articles, not about the baby, but how great a mother Meghan is.

For the Meg haters

....

Prince Louis name announced after 4 days.

So the surrogate is gone in labor . The frogchoir at the pond is rehearsing as we speak 😂