Why shouldn’t Elizabeth warren be president?

Because she can't capitalize correctly.

She triggers the misogynists.

She can never shed the lie of having Native American heritage.

Pocahontas moniker haunts her.

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did something precious. It has to be Mayor Pete.

She committed perjury.

[quote] Why shouldn’t Elizabeth warren be president?

Vengeance for the 7th Cavalry

R6 = William Barr projecting

She's from Oklahoma. That is reason enough to not elect her.

She's a lovely old lady.

Nope. No reason why she shouldn't be.

She tried to abuse affirmative action policies by lying about her race on her law school application. She is also clearly insane. I don't understand how people overlook her crazy disposition.

Yes - because of her “Mexican Oatmeal” recipe in the infamous Pow Wow Chow cookbook. It’s a cultural atrocity second only to Sandra Lee’s “Kwanzaa” cake.

Misogyny is the biggest problem, I would rather a man be put forward to win against Trump. I can't handle another 2016.

R2 is correct. America is not ready for a woman president, especially one that isn't (by straight male standards) fuckable. Look what happened to Hillary Clinton. She was clearly the most qualified candidate but still lost. Yet Sarah Palin, who was woefully underqualified, was hailed as a brilliant choice - at least until she opened her mouth.

Because America hates women.

She has explained that she didn't deliberately lie, at the time she fully believed herself to have Native ancestry.

I like her, but those who don't really dislike her. I don't think she's electable. I want to see her a player in a Dem Senate (2022?), or possibly in the financial watchdog job they wouldn't let her have originally.

She absolutely should be. The OP is a troll. She knows more and has more solid policy proposals than anyone and she's the ONLY candidate who has established a federal Agency. She has a shitload of experience. OP, stop with your fantasies of Putin fucking you up the ass.

Elizabeth Warren is a humorless, unlikable prig.

Go ahead and nominate her.

Trump will wipe the floor with her.

Again, like it or not, Joe Biden is our best hope.

I like her in some ways, but bluntly. I mean bluntly, she makes me think of what happened to Melanie Griffith’s character in “Working Girl” 40 years on. Except she still has the brains for business, but she no longer has the body for sin.

She still has a penchant for talking in a girly voice, and her thoughts wander off. I mean they wander off. Like “Girl, is this story going somewhere? Or should we stop and get some take out?”. There’s a lot of random nonsense that sound like arguments, but it’s word bubbles, that border on sophistry. I can admire the technique. It’s slick and intentional.

She simply has no authority when she talks. She isn’t decisive and doesn’t project leadership. She won’t be on the ticket.

R19 give Joe a chance to speak. You’ll remember why he’s a two time loser

America has never been so ready for a woman president ever since the loutish misogyny of the current mushroom in the WH, the Hillary fiasco and #metoo.

I want her to win @R18 Her student loan forgiveness program is brilliant

I’m the op

Kiss Putin for me, will you, R19?

R20, that is not what a lot of people, men and women, say who have met and spoken with her. She's extremely knowledgeable. While the media is covering the vanity candidates, she and other women candidates are out working very hard and producing policy documents with effective ways to pay for their ideas. She's so smart and energetic, and a problem solver. She's exactly what we need in the white house.

She just comes off as a nutball liberal. She seems crazy. She may not be, but the appearance that she gives in the media she just comes off crazy.

I gather that the people who think she is crazy also think our president is a stable genius.

R28 I think if she were the nominee a lot of folks open to another Dem would end up on Election Day not wanting either her or Trump.

Don't shoot the messenger as I like her!

I love her policies and her demeanor, but she doesn’t come off as very tough to me. Kamala, on the other hand, does. I think Pete and Beto come off a bit soft, too.

All the candidates will evolve, so it’s too early to tell. If we had to decide today, I think Liz would make a phenomenal Secretary of Ed.

Education is lame. I'd put her at Treasury.

As for toughness, she's been more willing to take on Trump than anyone else in Washington.

How did she think she was Native American without meeting any Native American relatives? You need very close relatives of any ethnicity in order to claim that ethnicity--at least a great grandparent. She's a step away from being Rachel Dolezal.

Geezer who supports bigots/bigotry. Hard pass!

This is why.

I would vote for her twice. Twice, Donald! And I wouldn't even care if it were legal.

Twice.

I will only vote for a woman president if she's not white.

I like Elizabeth warren a lot. I wish she weren't so polarizing with some people. And I don't even know why she is polarizing. But she's a smart, committed candidate. However and unfortunately, my criteria for supporting a candidate this time around is not policy--it is if he or she can defeat Trump. We must get rid of him.

Remember all the love Warren was getting in 2016 and how many wanted her to run for president? And then she threw her support behind Clinton... and overnight those who said that Warren as VP and Sanders as POTUS would be a progressive heaven started to hate her. They still hate her.

Because if we went to war against the Cherokee Nation, we wouldn't know whose side she was on.

She's too dowdy. We need someone with some style. Bebe Neuwirth perhaps.

R9 is a bozo. That's reason enough to Ignore him.

She should be president, but she won't be. She's too smart, decent, and low-key for this country's Apprenticeheads.

Elizabeth Warren was elected to the Senate less than ten years ago.

And?

She absolutely should be President, but in 2020, I don't think she'll beat trump. Under different circumstances, I'd say differently. Maybe in 2024...

She should be. Right now she is my choice. But I'm waiting for others to step up.

r32, that is bullshit. I've heard stories passed down about my native american ancestors and my family does not have tribal affiliation. It's oral folklore.

“Shouldn’t?” Lol

She has high negatives in her home state, and came in third among potential democratic candidates from her own state. By “negatives”, this often means “we like you but we don’t want you to pursue higher office”. There was stronger support for Deval Patrick to run than there was for Elizabeth Warren. The sentiment data is 89% of Massachusetts did not want her to run for the Presidency.

Her election was soft and her support is soft. That leaves her up for a worse loss than Hillary’s. She has no core constituency that is solid for her. The same is true of many of the contenders currently polling at 5%. We’ll see a rapid shakeout as money dries up.

[quote]She has no core constituency that is solid for her.

This isn't strictly true - all the real policy wonks I know love her. But they're about 0.001% of the population.

She's a races.

She is the matron saint of Cultural Appropriation - Our Lady of the Tomahawk.

Op of course she's qualified. She literally built the consumer protection arm of the executive branch. Her financial acumen scares the republicans no end. Trump is a carnival barker and McConnell is a dildo for Russian oligarchs. But Warren is a woman and so of course the misogynists will degrade her. Same advice they do with Harris. Women have been marginalized in the political sphere since Ancient Greece.

Look at Clinton, a smart capable woman scared Putin so much, he hijacked the 2016 election.

Silly well-meaning people, listen up. How can you beat Trump and the GOP without ideas? Warrens is the right track. Make of her ideas what you will, support her candidacy or not... but take her ideas seriously. She's got more smarts than all the rest of the candidates combined. .

Let's storm the White House! Chief Bullshit is after the other bullshitter.

And R55 provides the racist, misogynistic touch the incels do, when threatened with a capable woman.

Listening to her speak on MSNBC exhaust me.

R32 So ..".. That's good. You have no legitimate AI affiliat, so it's ok that Liz warren doesn't? I'm getting confused......

Because she won’t win. Period, end of. Smart, knowledgeable, good policies, hard working etc, don’t ensure a successful candidate. Those are qualities that make an effective legislator or administrator, not nec executive. Much as I like her, she doesn’t have it.

We need her to stay in public service, though

Apparently it's been shown that she didn't really benefit from the Cherokee lie in terms of jobs or professional positions. BUT, and this is one thing that bugs me, she wrote "American Indian" to signify her race on her Texas State Bar ID card, knowing full well that she did not belong to the Cherokee Nation. It isn't a lie that would have benefited her, so why did she do it? For me, those little tells show us things about a person's character and they aren't very flattering. So I have reservations about her (no stupid pun intended). I like many of her policy proposals but I fear that Trump would wipe the floor with her in the debates.

I think she'd make a great Treasury Secy.

You're right, R59. We elected a failed reality TV show host. Smart, capable, hard working aren't the qualities Americans look for in presidential aspirants.

I don't play the she can win he can't win game. I don't know enough and it's a game I'm not interested in emotionally investing in.

I think one should vote for whomever one likes. It's ok to vote for a losing candidate. It's ok to stand up for the weaker. It's ok to help build up something smaller and not go with who you think is going to be the winner.

You don't know any better than the next person. It's better to start with supporting the ideas one likes.

She has an overly intense, nervous quality about her which in turn makes me nervous.

So...no.

So take a xanax, mary

None, OP. Bye.

R53...Yet, women have been Prime Ministers, leaders of other countries.. for many years. The US is backward and immature, in so any ways.

This is what people on the ground are seeing with Elizabeth Warren. She's serious, she's well prepared, and even conservatives who meet her take her seriously. This is the kind of coverage campaign candidates should be getting instead of the gossip and shallow nonsense we are seeing. This presidential election is so important, we need more than clickbait.

True, r67, don't doubt it for a second. But the average American votes stupid. It's a sad fact of political life. The average voter is a moron. How to excite the morons without being a complete moron like the current occupant.

[quote] Because if we went to war against the Cherokee Nation, we wouldn't know whose side she was on.

That would be a concern if she were running against Ulysses S. Grant.

1. Her student loan forgiveness program is lining the pockets of the upper middle class, and the most educated Americans with the highest earning potential. What is the point? In most instances, it's not the families living on the poverty level who have amassed the largest student loan debt.

2. I'm not convinced that we need to break up Amazon, or other large corporations. For instance: Amazon is providing conveniences for many Americans, making it easier to get goods to all consumers, providing the US Postal Service with business, etc. If you want to talk about taxes on Amazon, that's a separate topic, but if there is something you don't like about Amazon or their services, you are free to shop other online merchants, or brick and mortar. If other businesses want to compete with Amazon, find out what you need to do better (or differently) to compete. Why break them up?

I'm not saying I won't vote for her, but I don't see her proposed policies as an advantage at this point. Although I really like the fact that she is taking a swing at policies, and not just agreeing with everything the other candidates say.

All these government programs, rules, and regulations are deceptively written to line the pockets of the already-rich.

[quote]She has explained that she didn't deliberately lie, at the time she fully believed herself to have Native ancestry.

It was her obligation to prove it before using it publicly. We don't need another president who believes something just because she heard someone say it's so.

She's a crypto-Republican. You will not get change from Elizabeth Warren.

She’s got as much of a chance to become president as I do...only difference is that I’m not going to waste millions of dollars trying..

Heterosexual female privilege.

R70, she's not talking about automatically cancelling everyone's debt. There are people who would not be eligible. In terms of large corporations, after a point, they become monopolies that squeeze out competition and innovation. She is all about making a more level playing field.

R71, you sound like a bot. if you've got specifics, speak up, but she's worked for lower middle class people for years, as well as lived as a lower middle class person and understands the issues very well. The economics support her views.

R72, that's simply not true and it's unreasonable. There are so many people who think they have one heritage who find out they have another when they test DNA. Believing older relatives who talk about heritage is typical. It is an honest mistake and she has never benefited professionally from it. After some point, it becomes a fake concern. Then we have a real bot at R73, who probably has never watched Warren or read any of her policy prescriptions, and is completely unfamiliar with her record in the Senate.

She is a phony and part of the problem She preaches free education yet she taught one class at Harvard and did some consulting for $700,000. Gee, why is the cost of education so high?

r71 doesn't even have to be a bot, many people have been propagandized from birth in this country to believe the rich are sacred, large corporations are always right, and regulations are evil because the rich are sacred and large corporations are always right.

The issue with making education free is that colleges (already out of control at 8% inflation per year) will take it as license to charge whatever they want as they know they are going to get paid no matter what. It won't work.

Hell, call it a Jubilee Year, which is right out of the Bible, y'all, and cancel all student debt. It's a huge, useless drag on the economy, and everyone knows it, but we have been propagandized to believe that only giving money to rich assholes is legitimate government.

R77, you are being dishonest. She's done clinics and is an expert in her field, where she has worked for years. She was a full-time professor at Harvard and has always worked hard. Why are you trying to make things up about her record, because you clearly have no facts?

R91 - I say bullcrap

R78, Warren understands this and is out to change it. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was a step in that direction. She understood that it needed its own funding so it couldn't be manipulated. Republican Senators were so threatened by her for setting it up that they refused to allow her to head the Agency, which is the reason she ran for Senate.

I'm for Warren. There's real substance, unlike many of the others. The radio show "On The Media" just had a segment about how an obssession with "electability" is not fruitful. And of course whoever the Dem is in the General...

she is a school teacher at heart and not a politician. On the other hand there is nothing presidential about trump. Warren has progressive ideas but I personally dont think she is a very strategic thinker. Too unpolished, but of course not as unpolished as Trump so in this day and age anything goes.

Additionally Im not sure how good she would be faking being a christian and drapping herself around the flag like Trump You have to do those things to get elected.............its what our pathetic voters demand.

Trump has lowered the bar to nothing in terms of qualifications, it is true, but given Reagan, it didn't have far to go.

R82 is directing us to the NRSC. Its stated leader is Senator Todd Young, beloved by the NRA, against abortion and the Dream Act, and a believer in states deciding about gay marriage legality. A prize.

She seems very intelligent but she also seems NUTS. That is one crazy bitch.

Specifics?

Her time was 2016 but she was too much of a coward. Seemingly zero passion and not willing to take a step unless she's done 68 flow charts on the matter. The only thing she doesn't seem scared about doing is her unicorn shit proposals that she knows, or should know, aren't going to go anywhere. However, I will say she was more likeable when she hated Hillary like the rest of us.

Because Biden needs his coronation with accompanying debutante ball.

Biden's great on paper. It can't be Biden. He'll lose.

Just Biden his time...

She seems, not nuts, but slightly inclined towards hysteria. I think what people are describing as, they won’t vote for her because she’s a woman, or, she sounds schoolmarmish, is actually an unconscious mis-description of what the real issue is. She’s very smart, but she doesn’t have leadership qualities. She’s not The Boss. She’s not the Chairman of the Board. She’s more of a second banana.

She’s Spock to somebody else’s Kirk. The problem is, who’s the Kirk? Because that’s really the person we’re looking for.

Part of it is the two front runners, Biden and Bernie, are so old they can’t responsibly do more than one term. So the VP has to be able to run in 2024. That’s an exceptionally high bar a lot of people can’t pass any year, let alone as a follow up to “Cleaning Up the Trump Mess: The Sequel.” So basically what we’re looking for is two Presidents on one ticket. That’s really unfair to everyone. Especially the Democratic Party and the country.

And the main reason we’re even in this situation of having two old men at the top of the polls, is that everybody else isn’t ready for prime time. They’re all VP material at best. And you can’t just throw some random Tim Kaine out there as the VP, knowing 2024 is going to be another crisis election, and if the nominee is blah, people won’t show up.

People are looking for a superhero this year. They’re looking for Steve Rogers to come and fix it all, have a backbone and have some decency and humility. And there isn’t anyone even close. I think somebody like Sherrod Brown would have had a better chance, but everyone was so convinced some white guy didn’t have a chance in hell, it had to be a minority or a woman. A couple of qualified, seasoned Congress members bowed out because they thought it was the year of women and minorities. So we’re trying to choose among second stringers that aren’t ready yet.

But look at the polls. All white guys. I think psychologically people don’t feel like going out in a limb, they want Daddy to fix it. They really wanted a conventional candidate all along. People like the idea of a woman or minority, but don’t want an unknown quantity this time. Wait until it’s not four years of trying to clean up a train wreck, while every minute Mitch McConnell tries to stop you. I think we’ve all had it with wondering whether somebody can carry the whole load. Not just part of it, but all. Foreign and domestic. We’ve had enough drama with giving high risk, untested candidates a chance. We did that already. Look what happened.

What happened? Are we in camps and no one told me about it?

Somebody called Trump is President, perhaps you missed it.

She reminds me of a smart pants thinks they're better than me college professor.

She's genuine. She's smart.

She remind me of a man’s secretary, like Mr. Drysdale’s secretary on the Beverly Hillbillies, Miss Jane Hathaway.

Classy, and you can tell she’s smart, probably smarter than the boss, but no one does what she says, they do what her boss says.

"She's Spock to someone else's Kirk."

Facile B.S.

She's the only one of the group I can tolerate.

Nobody ever accused Spock of being stupid. In fact it was well known he was smarter than Kirk. But he felt he didn’t have what it took to make those horrible, high pressure decisions that affected people’s lives and deaths. He didn’t want to. He trusted Kirk’s judgment because he thought Kirk not only had his heart in the right place, but he was a decisive sort of person that could make decisions and then live with the outcome and move on, even if it didn’t end well.

That’s a big characteristic of a leader, and I think that a lot of people sense some of these candidates don’t have it.

Trump has it, but that’s because he has narcissistic personality disorder. Of course it doesn’t bother him if people die thanks to his poor choices. But that’s not what I’m talking about.

I mean making decisions, sticking with them, but feeling compassion for those who have to pay the price. You need both halves, not only compassion or only decisiveness.

Spock? Kirk? She's more Nurse Chapel.

R103 thinks trump has leadership ability?

I think she is the most authentic of all the candidates. She will work hard and try to get things done.

There is no reason she shouldn't be president that I can think of.

There is no reason she shouldn't be president. She's more qualified than most of the other candidates. But I don't think she'll get the nomination and I don't really want her to because I doubt she can beat Trump.

Trump has already beaten her.

If every one who thinks she's qualified, and likes her, votes for her she will win. We are caught up in the idea of electability. Trump was never elected to anything and sits in the WH due to Russian ratfuckkng. The people who support trump are going to support him regardless.

I cannot foresee it happening.

She always seems jumpier than a virgin at a prison rodeo.

She's not clearly insane. That would be Trump

R104, I think the people that voted for Trump in 2016 thought he had leadership ability, because everything he says is very decisive. Has nothing to do with his judgment, which is terrible. But everything he says is very confident and self assured. Everything. You’ve never seen such a self assured person. That’s not only because he’s a con artist, it’s more than that.

I used to know a woman who was a professional con artist and her style was to accuse people of things they didn’t do to make people sympathize with her. Trump does that too, but that’s not all. Whenever an issue comes up, he is 1000x absolutely positive he’s right. People who are not educated love that. They love his confidence. They don’t understand that he’s an idiot, because they don’t understand the issue in the first place.

All they see is, “Trump really knows what he’s doing! He’s going to solve all the problems because he has all the answers!” They don’t understand everything he’s saying makes no sense, because they don’t understand the issue.

The point is, “leadership” isn’t just knowing the answers (for real). Leadership is being able to sell that you know what you’re doing and inspire others to follow you. You absolutely cannot pick a President like you pick a vacuum cleaner. Democrats think the smartest one wins. The smartest one rarely wins. The best salesman wins.

It has to be either Biden/Harris or Biden/Klobuchar

Compared to Trump, any well-adjusted reasonably smart High School social studies teacher would be a fabulous POTUS of the global superpower.

No they wouldn’t, because how many high school teachers can stand up to Putin? How many can stand up to Kim Jung Un threatening to drop nuclear bombs on us and our allies? You’re missing a huge chunk of what a President does.

You keep selling and selling these people who look like frightened schoolmarms when Trump calls them a name. Sell them all you want, people are not fooled into thinking the job of President is 100% academic. It isn’t. And they won’t vote for candidates that are book smart but can’t get their elbows in there and hold their own against ruthless dictators and terrorists.

Have you ever head Warren say one sentence about what she’s going to do about the resurgence of Al Qaeda if it happens? Bin Laden's son is trying to bring it back. Terrorist attacks on our soil? I don’t think she knows the answer, but whatever it is, I can totally see some bin Laden type telling her to fuck off. Bad guys can smell a weakling. So can bullies. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know she’s not tough enough for that.

I suspect she'd do the same mindless drone strikes in various MidEast countries that presidents since Bush have done. It won't accomplish anything, but it'll look like doing something. Which is really all America cares about.

The problem is, that may not be enough because Putin and Trump together have destabilized our allies and Trump has made a mess of our Middle East policy. Whoever gets that job is going to have to pick up a lot of slack. They’re not doing maintenance on a long term, stable situation that’s been maintained for decades by both parties. That’s all gone now, the work of decades is gone, and now it’s going to be putting out fires, because our enemies see us as weak and in disarray.

She's Ethel in the Lucy and Ethel duo - always the second banana.

look strong, fuck around with mindless shit, and still watch everything fall apart!

R94, she's not hysterical. She's a Harvard Law professor. She's run twice and won both times for Senate. This was after establishing her own pro-consumer federal agency, during President Obama's first term. I would say the last thing she is is untested.

So, R115, you'd rather listen to a bunch of BS from some white guy about what he's going to do, empty rhetoric with no history of success. All her policies are solid and she knows how to pay for them. She's a problem solver and she'd be solid on this issue as well.

Enough with the schoomarm misogynistic nonsense. Dislike her policies, assuming you even know the slightest thing about them, but don't use the sexist crap and stop making shit up.

"You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know she's not tough enough."

That is bullshit. She's the first one in the Senate to call for impeachment. And her intellect is no-nonsense. This is a tough broad.

Yup, R122, it's almost like people can't google her positions. Or don't want to.

I don’t agree with a lot of her views. That is reason enough. By the way Joe Biden is too old

Yes, an Harris is a slut, Klocbuchers a bitch, Pete said trans people are ok, Beto rides a skateboard, inslees an old hippie. I got ya, R124

You want pure candidates, keep voting for the Nazis. It is working great

Every single reason given above to defend Warren is about domestic policy. It’s easy to defend your policies as part of a large group in Congress. There’s safety in numbers. The President has to make decisions alone, even if nobody else agrees.

Make a mistake in foreign policy and there could be catastrophic consequences. Fuck up in Congress and there’s always tomorrow.

And don’t assume because a President is good at domestic issues that proves they are good at foreign policy issues. Most are only good at one. But Warren and the other female candidates’ constant pitching to their strengths, instead of reassuring people about what may be weaknesses, is not reassuring at all. “Don’t look over there” isn’t a great campaign slogan.

Remember this photo? This is Obama, Hillary and Biden watching the Bin Laden raid. One guy in that room was going to take the blame if it went bad, and Joe Biden told him, don’t do it. His Presidency was on the line. He did it anyway. That’s what a President does.

The thing that strikes me to this day about that photo is, if you didn’t know who any of those people were, you could pick out the one in charge just by looking. They’re all sitting back but one.

Hey, R126 love how you divide candidates along gender lines. Btw, here's what Warren says about Iran.

It's ok, I know you have never googled any of the candidates.

To me, it's seeming likelier and likelier that Biden will eventually become the nominee, despite his age. I'm not saying I think he's the best choice - I just think things are moving in that direction. But then, Jeb seemed like the Republican front-runner at this point in 2015, and look how that turned out.

Biden doesn't think global warming is real, and he doesn't understand the economic realities of most Americans. But sure 18 months to go and we should just anoint him.

Read about your candidates and volunteer for the person you want. Do not be a passive observer.

R113, that’s not original policy, she’s defending an Obama era policy. That’s pretty conventional for a Democrat. What happens when she has to come up with new policy?

That was for R123, sorry^^

[quote] Why shouldn’t Elizabeth warren be president?

OP, are you unclear on how to capitalize a name? This is like the tenth fucking thread where you seem to be unable to recognize how to capitalize correctly.

First AND last names get capitalized....you FAT WHORE!

At this point I want to look at some of the lesser known candidates. And who knows, if none of them get traction besides Biden, and Biden looks shaky, others may join in. All those people can’t afford to run that long. Some will drop out. They’re going to run out of money.

You like Elizabeth Warren, OP. We get that - again and again and again you tell us.

You saying so, though, and trashing everyone who disagrees with you isn't winning her any votes here.

The USA is not going to trade a thriving economy and secure borders for higher taxes and more welfare recipients from Latin America, no matter who the Global Socialists formerly known as the Democrats nominate.

Democrats are cluelessly missing the boat on this one, again: Of course she has a right to run, and to win if she earned it. But she wouldn't win, because she doesn't appeal to the majority of voters outside of very coastal, liberal, highly educated American cities. This will make Trump and the Repubs win again. The Dems cannot see this, I'm afraid, i.e. that they should see the big picture and go instead with someone else who is more likely to be able to be a more sound challenge against the Repubs in the election.

Look at you, R136. You got a brand new set of 4chan jargon flash cards.

In the real world, the world where people can count, immigration across the border is at its lowest in 12 years.

Fucking moron

R137 here's a news flash. Trump didn't win. He was placed into office by the Russians. That is why Barr has shut down the 20 investigations into trump and why we are in a constitutional crisis.

What do you think Muellers199+ criminal indictments are about, ?

Elizabeth Warren is good at advocating worth while programs, but shows little sign of becoming the next Franklin Roosevelt or Lyndon Johnson I n successfully signing the bills into law.

Trump has successfully forever branded Warren as Pocahontas. If she were the Presidential candidate going against Trump he and his mega followers would make sure it would follow her around like a monkey on her back. She can't win in more ways than one.

R139 is lying or deceived. Hillary lost because the more people see of her, the less they like her. She reminds men of their ex-wives, 'nuff said.

You guys are so afraid of Trump, it's pathetic.

R142, what do you think the Mueller report is actually about? What do you think the 20 other investigations are about? Why are we in a constitutional crisis? Do you know you need to wipe after you shit? How fucking dumb are you?

Here's an idea: Steal from the rich, give to the poor.

Cory Booker says Warren can't be president because she wants to break up Facebook and Google. He said “𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒔𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒅𝒔 𝒎𝒐𝒓𝒆 𝒍𝒊𝒌𝒆 𝒂 𝑫𝒐𝒏𝒂𝒍𝒅 𝑻𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒔𝒂𝒚.”.

I think this right here is why Cory Booker ain't going anywhere. Still doesn't get that constant service to the rich is the road to nowhere. Just don't, Cory. Having black skin isn't enough. Just give it up already and step aside now.

[quote][R70], she's not talking about automatically cancelling everyone's debt. There are people who would not be eligible.

Yes, I read her plan. I understand that. My point stands. Forgiving the student debt as she outlines is still giving back to a segment of the population that is highly educated and has higher earning potential. I disagree with that approach. Also, student debt for the income levels in her plan can be paid off. I know. I did it.

I might also suggest she's part of the problem with college costs, taking a six-figure salary for teaching part-time.

[quote] In terms of large corporations, after a point, they become monopolies that squeeze out competition and innovation. She is all about making a more level playing field.

I chose Amazon because it's the company I'm most familiar with. Has Amazon done something that squeezes out competition and innovation? Aren't it's competitors able to mirror what Amazon has done to be more successful, or - even better - improve on something that is lacking with Amazon?

Perhaps there are large corporations that should be broken up, I'm not against that as a rule. But why did she target Amazon - a business she later admitted she's recently purchased from? If she's that worried about Amazon, don't use them.

Pocahontas can never win. And that's NOT fake news.

R149, sure, little troll

She's also stating outright that she will NOT appear on Fox News because they push racism and conspiracy theories, which is 100% true, but what other politician has the nerve to say it?

If she's a schoolmarm, she's the ballsiest schoolmarm I've ever seen.

Because she’s not a real Indian.

She'd make a great Speaker of the House but she'll never be elected President because she triggers all the woman haters, both male and female.

And she triggers people that like women, but dislike women that want the privilege of being President, but don’t want the responsibility and duty of going where you’re unpopular. Just like the President we have right now.

I don’t want to deal with another President who talks a tough game but stays with their base. Haven’t we learned how destructive that is yet?

Obama went everywhere. And a lot of people that thought they didn’t like him, still respected him for showing up.

I love when Republicans pretend they are terribly concerned that certain already advantaged parts of the country might be given money, as in student debt forgiveness. They are so full of shit on this. Just do it. It frees up a ton of economic potential. And if you feel bad about it, cancel an equal number of payday loans, which cause such misery to the poor.

you are so full of shit, r154. She just went to MAGA Country West Virginia. When has your shit for brains president ever gone to a city or town where he knew he'd be unpopular?

Or your actual shit for brains president Putin for that matter. All coddled, all carefully kept from ever meeting the people who actually hate them.

Warren is the dark horse in the race.

Don't count her out. She can win Iowa.

On Lipstick Alley (a black female forum), she is the favorite.

This thread is fantastic R153, she'd make a great speaker of the house!

Ok, she's a senator, not a congresswoman, but sure tell us her faults.🤣

also, good to know that Senator is allowed to be Speaker of the House. Bots, please return to the study room!

Or, ya know, what r159 said

[quote] what do you think the Mueller report is actually about? What do you think the 20 other investigations are about? Why are we in a constitutional crisis? Do you know you need to wipe after you shit? How fucking dumb are you?

You know, it's possible to believe that the Russians interfered with the 2016 election AND believe that Hillary had serious electability problems and underperformed in Midwestern and Rust Belt states. It's also possible to believe the Mueller report AND believe that our nominee in 2020 needs to be someone who can relate to voters in middle America. We've tried nominating liberals from Massachusetts before. We tried it in 1988 with Dukakis and then we foolishly tried it again in 2004 with Kerry. It didn't work. And it probably won't work this time either. You don't have to be a Russian troll to have doubts about Warren's electability.

"You don't have to be a Russian troll to have doubts about Warren's electability."

You must be one according to OP.

Electibility is clearly a bullshit concept. Donald J. Trump is a complete asshole, a New Yorker, a pussy grabbing son of a bitch, a man who clearly worships himself and money and nothing else, a guy who wants to fuck his daughter, total asshole who is completely unelectible, and yet there he is. Can we not with the electibility issue?

[quote] Electibility is clearly a bullshit concept. Can we not with the electibility issue?

Fine. Delude yourself into thinking that voters in the swing states are clamoring for a Massachusetts liberal. Delude yourself into thinking that only issues and policies matter, not style or image. But then don't be surprised if that way of thinking gets us 4 more years of Trump.

delude yourself into thinking another tired old white guy is going to win the tired old white guy vote from the tired old white guy Trump.

"...a guy who wants to fuck his daughter.."

The horse is out of THAT barn...

seriously, Trump has locked up the old white asshole vote. Can we get the rest of the electorate to turn out? That is the question.