Gentrification

Dog parks = oppression.

Insanity.

I thought I was pretty lefty and progressive but some of the weird shit I've been hearing and seeing lately is just dumb. This is one of them. Of course we want nice things.

[quote] Graham pointed at a larger issue. “It’s the principle: one, of protecting the students, even though it is an open campus, and, two, maintaining the sanctity of this sacred black space.” Graham says that dog walking through the campus is “intentional disrespect. Howard students, we come to the Mecca because we want to be in a space surrounded by black people and know that this space is our space. We can feel safe.”

It's like they see dogs the way Middle Easterners see them or something (fear, disgust).

Sorry, but America is a WESTERN country. Dogs are beloved. (That said, I hope all other animals become as beloved as dogs, because I don't get why we eat pigs but love dogs, etc.)

The current state of NYC is the perfect example of why gentrification is bad.

Doesn't gentrification hurt transqueer people?

Interesting article re gentrification and immigration.

Stop the insanity.

I refuse to acknowledge gentrification any sort of problem. It's like saying "Too many new people are moving here."

Localized xenophobia.

People in cities need to try to be cosmopolitan.

#BlackLabsMatter

To be fair, Howard had an incident a couple of years ago where some alt-right high school bitches in MAGA hats decided to troll the campus a week after Charlottesville, then whine about free speech when they got confronted about it.

Sacred spaces. Silly. If it's so sacred, close it off to the public. Go ahead. We won't care. But don't complain if no one's being loud and if they're cleaning up after their dogs.

Are the people walking dogs blasting music from Bluetooth speakers or their phones? Are they manspreading on benches? Are they being violent at all?

I didn't think so.

R10, what does that have to do with neighborhood residents walking dogs?

What if it's an older black lady walking her dog? Would they be as offended?

If not, then I think we can reasonably conclude that this is race-based hostility.

Wear bodycams, residents, to protect yourselves from claims of inflicting unprovoked violence. Many people are good at framing incidents and playing victim.

DON'T call the cops unless they draw blood. No matter how loudly they scream, no matter how in-your-face they get.

And protect your dog.

R5 that is the MOST exhausting article I have evah read. Just SJW QTPOC buzzword salad

Why aren't more transfolk on urban planning committees?

No Whole Foods: Racism is responsible for the food desert! What, our money isn't good enough?!

New Whole Foods: Colonialism! Gentrification is destroying this community!

So what exactly do they want?

R14 here.. I take that back .. The OP's article about dog walking at Howard campus takes the cake! M

LA RAZA!

Fight the power!

PBS gets it.

Doesn't Whole Foods accept food stamps?

LaDEENO power!

That pronunciation is way out there.

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So people can bring their dogs onto private property and let them poop wherever, and you guys are supporting this?

No. You cannot bring your gd dog onto other people's property.

It's sad it's come to this. I loved the public spaces on the BU campus back in the day because you'd meet so many different people, but this really seems like an intrusion from the neighborhood.

Have some respect for that institution and walk your pet elsewhere. It's not a dog park.

R23, it's an open campus with municipally funded public sidewalks. WTF...

No one at CalTech, Yale, or Harvard would care. They'd come up to the doggies and pet them, all the white kids (throwing Frisbees) and Asian kids (who aren't busy in the library and the labs LOL)...

That says a lot, actually.

It's like African-Americans saying everyone else "smells like wet dog." It's pure racism, I think.

STAY OUT!

Provincial kids moving to the "big city" of ... DC, coming up with something to make them feel special AND offended.

Visit Paris sometime, and see how welcome dogs are in the most beautiful and sacred spaces (well, the ones kind of set apart from the areas with lots of newcomers from the Middle East).

Harvard's historic green spaces are mostly behind brick walls, R25. You really have to go out of your way to invade it with the pooch.

And those schools have incredible security. If you don't look like you belong there, they ask you to move along.

Leave the Howard students alone. The history of exclusion towards their population is reason enough to do so.

You sound very entitled, R25, trying to make this ALL about race. Not everyone wants dogs and their problems surprising them as they walk to class. I think Howard is making a very reasonable request.

How do today's college students ever attand classes? They seem so busy policing the world.

[quote]Harvard's historic green spaces are mostly behind brick walls.

Nonsense, R28. It's an open campus if there ever was one, as is Yale.

R28, the kids made it all about race. "Black mecca, black sacred space." Come on....

Segregation has a new name.

we need a thread about dogs and the new urbanity. There is a lot to say about it and it isn't racial.

There was some old and grizzled porn whore on the news prattling on about "moving the campus."if they didn't like local residents using it as a dog park. As if.

Howard is in a lot of financial trouble and a step away from folding. They are not well-liked in DC as they don't maintain property well and have tax issues. They have other problems they should attend to.

R33 - Dogs are a narcissist's must-have accessory.

R25, the campus is private property. If people stayed on the side walk, this wouldn't be an issue. The issue is people are using campus green space as a dog park.

Using doggies as a wedge is pure stupidity. Talk about pick your battles!

An ally speaks.

It's about RESPECT, people.

R37, please. Is that the new anti-[whatever] talking point?

This is such nonsense. If someone else makes me feel bad (afraid, resentful, etc.), they must be doing something wrong. If I have others who feel the same, we’ll declare some kind of violation. If race is involved, the media will make it a thing. I hope this trend ends.

Now it's an entitlement issue.

I wish they had video. Hilarious.

Get woke, people.

Would we be hearing about this if the dog owners were black?

If the students are complaining, it's probably because these slobs aren't scooping up these massive piles of shit. Who wants to smell and walk through a field of shit everyday? It's not about animals, it's about people showing respect towards others.

I hope these angry kids don't end up hurting anyone, including the innocent dogs.

Such hatred...😥

Many blacks are divided on the issue of gentrification. We enjoy and appreciate many of the new amenities, but don't always like how the African American culture of the neighborhood becomes washed out, essentially neutered.

I had a discussion about this a few days ago with one of my friends. He said blacks should've brought the property they lived in years ago, instead of renting for so long. I countered that many blacks simply didn't have the money for such a purpose, nor were eligible for loans.

He called bullshit on that, replying that if blacks can pay rent, they can just as easily pay a mortgage, and that blacks should've created institutions to enable us to borrow and lend money to one another for instances like these. The argument then expanded to other related issues, with me eventually stopping it, since it was getting rather passionate, heated, and continuous.

The bottom line seems to be this: We're not against white people moving into the neighborhoods, but we don't want to be forced out for their convenience, nor made to feel that the African American culture is unworthy of respect and celebration in their presence.

R46, what if they're picking up after their dogs? It's ok then, right?

So black people don't want to be ghetto-ized, but they don't want to be gentrified either.

What's the solution, black people?

So Howard university has been at this site for 150 years. They have a stated policy about walking your dog. Students don't want their campus turned into an off leash dog park and they don't want to walk through poop.

And the students are the problem? No, it's the dog owners who don't scoop, don't keep their dogs on leashes, and let their dogs trample the flora and fauna of the campus.

This is about the racial wealth gap, R50. Reparations may be a step forward. Plus more robust affirmative action.

The anger comes from pain.

@kentnish

Not sure why, but this woman proceeded to violently knock over every single electric scooter 🛴 in front of Walt Disney Concert Hall. #DTLA #GrandAve

(Fight The Power!)

R51, there's no evidence that the people walking their dogs are doing any of those things.

From the Guardian article:

[quote] While it has recently gained attention, this isn’t the first time Howard has suggested area residents not walk their dogs on campus. Though it’s not explicitly written, it is an informal policy often enforced by security guards and students themselves, with evidence of enforcement going back to 2014.

If they want to have a policy, they should make it a formal policy and consistently enforce it — on their private property, not public sidewalks.

NIBMYs are the worst. Older dickheads like the crone at R53 and angry kids like those at Howard.

I've become a YIMBY because of people like them.

[quote] This story is better described as an urban myth. The supposed ills of gentrification—which might be more neutrally defined as poorer urban neighbourhoods becoming wealthier—lack rigorous support. The most careful empirical analyses conducted by urban economists have failed to detect a rise in displacement within gentrifying neighbourhoods. Often, they find that poor residents are more likely to stay put if they live in these areas. At the same time, the benefits of gentrification are scarcely considered. Longtime residents reap the rewards of reduced crime and better amenities. Those lucky enough to own their homes come out richer. The left usually bemoans the lack of investment in historically non-white neighbourhoods, white flight from city centres and economic segregation. Yet gentrification straightforwardly reverses each of those regrettable trends.

R54 here's the article and you should read it. Howard university has had a dog policy, with evidence of enforcement going back to 2014. So for at least 5 years the campus has been dealing with this issue.

You want to bet how dogs came to the attention of the administration?

Dogs are a diversion -- gentrification is about evictions, and colonizers who establish businesses where long time residents are not welcome.

R57, that's the same article I was quoting from (I even said so).

It's an INFORMAL policy and enforcement's been spotty.

R57's low IQ = terrible reading comprehension.

the areas I see getting gentrified where I live are essentially abandoned but I still hear these same complaints about phantom opress' ees !

This demonstrates to me that many, if not most, POC want to associate with whites as little as possible. They do not trust us or like us. So all this bending over backwards to accommodate the black community is mostly in vain and will lead to nowhere as far as racial social and political equity is concerned.

[quote] Implicit in all these narratives is a strong quasi-segregationist impulse: Rich people ought to live with rich people, and poor people ought to live with other poor people. Anything that changes this status quo is suspect: If rich people move into poor neighborhoods, it’s called gentrification. If poor people move into rich neighborhoods, it’s called social engineering. It’s difficult to see how this framing ever leads to a world in which there is less economic segregation.

R61, who's included in "POC"?

This is the attitude re gentrification among "allies."

Silly.

R57, I bet it came to the attention of the administration because some angry student saw a non-black person walking his/her dog and therefore made a stink about "outsiders infiltrating."

Pure pretext for harassment of local residents by campus police.

Or maybe it was another black person walking his/her dog? Was that what caused the uproar?

I think not.

As a white dude, I'd be afraid to take my dog for a walk there.

r56 = Brooklyn Rel Estate Broker preying on the poor.

"First, we poison the wells..."

White people are often annoying because they bring the police with them everywhere they go. When white people move next door, behavior that was normal and welcomed suddenly becomes a reason for police officers to smash your face into concrete. White people love calling the police for insignificant reasons. This is essentially why gentrification bothers POC.

If Howard University self describes as a sacred space, than it makes sense that it perceives of residents from off campus and their pets as trespassing. There is a very simple solution.

Like a convent, abbey, or cloister, Howard should gate the entire campus. The university should fundraise to take ownership the public roads and sidewalks and maintain them moving forward. This will give students, faculty and other staff the truly safe space they need, while embodying the sanctity with which the university aspires to.

If this somehow feels self segregating, it seems small price to attain holiness.

R59, Ireposted the article for you to read. I said Howard university has a dog walking policy. You said no, and posted that article which states Howard university has a dog walking policy with documentation going back to at least 2014. You did that to refute my statement that Howard university has a policy.

You did not bother to read the article. You posted a link, and maybe read the 1st paragraph.

You're mistaken, R70. I never said they don't have a dog walking policy. I said there's no evidence that there are any "dog owners who don't scoop, don't keep their dogs on leashes, and let their dogs trample the flora and fauna of the campus," which you claimed was the case.

The article says they have an informal policy that's been erratically enforced.

Really, you need to finish school.

Here are some safe spaces for dogs at American college campuses.

[quote] “Dear White people, Howard University is not a park,” reads one tweet. “Howard is our safe space, not your play place."

What about Asian people? Latinos? Same message for them?

There are plenty of people walking about George Washington University's campus in DC. Dog walkers, etc. Tons of people.

If black people hate dogs, what's wrong with that? Dogs aren't people. People are allowed to hate deer and pigeons but not dogs?

R59, you didn't read the article. You jumped in to correct me, by posting an article I got my facts from. When confronted, you weakly respond. As I stated, the dog policy has been enforced, with documentation going back 5 years. That's in the article. That is what you missed, because you didn't read the article.

[quote] Dogs are a narcissist's must-have accessory.

ya'think ?

If you think this is really about dog poop, you’re a fool.

I wouldn't have a problem with gentrification if the buildings and homes being put up weren't so damn sterile and ugly. It's not the residents who ruin the neighborhoods is the developers.

In our neighborhood, gentrifiers walk their dogs and push around strollers to make sure we know they are there and that the neighborhood now belongs to them.

The same thing happened 30 years ago when the Mexicans took over the area, except they didn't walk dogs, they parked their cars in the middle of the street and pushed the old people off the sidewalks.

ALL DOG OWNERS TODAY TREAT NEIGHBORHOODS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY AS THEIR PUBLIC PARKS. THAT'S THE TRUTH. I SEE DOG OWNERS LETTING THEIR DOGS ROAM AROUND ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ALL THE TIME. THOSE STRING LEASES SHOULD BE OUTLAWED. WHAT CUNT LETS THEIR DOG PISSED AND SHIT NEXT TO A HOUSE 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK?

R21 Who the hell is gentrifying Santa Ana??

Black people don’t hate dogs. They hate dogs being walked by white people on their turf. Perhaps there are a few who a really having flashbacks to Bull Connor. Most are just happy to have a nice story to justify their anxiety over change.

[quote]In our neighborhood, gentrifiers walk their dogs and push around strollers to make sure we know they are there and that the neighborhood now belongs to them.

Bullshit. They behave exactly the same way in neighborhoods that have been white for decades.

This is about entitled bi polar mental case dog owners of today. Most are just that.

Hey, if the Howard students don't want dogs being walked on their campus, that is ok. So just don't walk you dogs there.

This is not a racial issue, just a don"t bring your dogs here issue.

I have a 60 lb dog and I get it, a lot of people don't want to be around her. We stay to dog-friendly areas.

They're so angry. Sad. I bet all the math and science students there are like "Um, we're too busy to care." Keep it up, STEM students — stay focused!.

The racism against white people that I hear from some of my friends (of all ethnicities, including white people) is starting to get silly, because it's so extreme and based on essentially nothing.

R86, are new dog parks ok, or would that be colonialism?

Neglect the children, but give the dogs a playground.

Fucked up American priorities.

R89, who neglects the children? All we talk about is children. Everyone is obsessed with children.

Fellow gay real estate investors, start your engines!

[Quote] what if they're picking up after their dogs? It's ok then, right?

No it still isn't okay. You're just making and repeating that same out tired excuse. Not all dog shit and piss are the same. There is ALWAYS something left on the ground. And the dogs shouldn't be there IN THE FIRST PLACE! Your dog doesn't have to go everywhere you do. It's ISN'T a child.

Well pardon the fuck out of me R68 if I dont want people yelling outside my window at 2 am . Or blasting their music at all hours,or throwing garbage on the ground right next to a can,or having 5 cars abandoned in front of their houses,or standing in front of your house in groups of 10-15 and acting like its a bother to let you in your own front door,or stealing every last thing that isnt nailed down,even the goddamn watering hose,etc,etc. Is that the "accepted behavior" you are referencing ? Been there,done that baby. Ive lived in many different kinds of communities during my lifetime,Mexican,Asian,Eastern European,and NEVER had the problems in those communities that I had in lower income black areas.The irony of course being I wasnt gentrifying anything,I was a broke bitch too.

All that being said,I lived in a middle class area in Atlanta that was 90% black and they were some lovely and respectful neighbors so Ive always thought it socio-economic. Why not hang out on the street screaming at 2 am when you dont have to worry about that pesky job the next day? I get along with anybody regardless of color,but I universally detest loudness,rudeness and stupidity. Again,no matter what the color.

For the socialists, some analysis.

Shit happens. Did all the Germans and Hungarians of the Upper East Side go bitching and crying to the media about the gentrification of Yorkville? They sold their businesses/buildings, took the money and moved to nice suburbs. That’s the American Dream. Not staying in some shitty tenement because section 8.

The article at R94 was already behind the curve in 2017 and is even more antique today. LGB people began dispersing into larger urban and suburban communities more than a decade ago. Gentrified gayborhoods have already been recast by largely straight young urbanites. Gay bars have been replaced by farm to table restaurants with stroller spaces for weekend brunches.

People suck.

Children are more important than dogs. You know that, right?

R99 = natalist Ross Douthat

[quote] Children are more important than dogs. You know that, right?

I prefer and value dogs much more, actually, but either way, I'm not sure what your comment has to do with the thread. No one has said anything about children.

[quote]Children are more important than dogs. You know that, right?

Professional victims envy people's love of animals.

Some people can't stand it when black people are assertive. This is reminiscent of when Michelle Obama posted Black Girls Rock on twitter a few years back and some white women threw a fit because it wasn't ALL girls rock.

Walk your animals somewhere else and stop complaining. Professional victims, indeed. Sometimes you don't get to do everything you want whenever you want it.

Agreed, r103. I love dogs, but walking one–and letting it shit and piss—on a college campus where you are not a student is rather obnoxious. One of the articles someone linked said non-students from the surrounding neighborhood have also been hanging out having picnics and such on the Howard campus. I attended a mostly white college in a mostly white town but can easily imagine that my fellow students and I would have been annoyed if our townie neighbors had started hanging out on campus regularly, treating it like a public park.

Gentrification isn't about improving poor neighborhoods. White people can't afford to live in their own communities anymore. White people are also increasingly moving to wealthier African-American neighborhoods because they are more affordable. White people make everything expensive.

And black people make everything cheap and worthless and run down and crime-ridden and 3rd World.

RACIST. TROLL. THREAD. CLOSED!!!!!!!

Ban dogs from all urban spaces.

You want a dog? Live on a farm.

R106 Okay, white people should stay in their overpriced neighborhoods and leave the cheap 3rd-world areas to the POC.

Let's give POC housing vouchers so they can live wherever they want to.

I want to know what the Native Americans, the original owners of this space prior to the "colonizers" of Howard University, think about these entitled students making arbitrary rules about Native American land. That space is (likely) SACRED to one or more Native American tribes.

Having said that, the university should just officially ban walkers/dog walkers and make that the end of it--none of this wishy-washy "we hope the community respects the rules we're dancing around actually stating." That seems like a justifiable decision that nobody can argue with.

Some much venom from a website that regularly bemoans fraus pushing strollers and gayborhoods is quite ironic.

Perhaps I should dredge up the thread with the DL response to woman being allowed in gay bars?

Careful posters, your racism is showing.

DLers are known hypocrites R112.

@HankSelva

White people on York Blvd, in HLP, are looking at me like I’m some sort of anomaly. I used to chill on this block before y’all took over. Chill.

Am I really that intimidating? 😆

(In LA, HLP = Highland Park, the poster child for SoCal gentrification)

Thank you, R92. The trolls defending gentrification are libertarian and proud of being assholes to their fellow citizens. They could care less for tradition or civility and think their garbage 're-dos' of 'tired old buildings' are just what everyone wants.

They're vampires who suck the life blood out of cities and then move on after they've ruined it for the very people who created the urban character and unique vibe they envied and could never achieve on their own. Poseurs, all of them.

You want a park for fido? Get a group together, pay a fee and buy/rent some space. You want to play with the kiddos on some green lawn that is cared for by groundskeepers who get paid through the tuition of the students? Petition your government to get you one.

No, your dog cannot walk in Harvard Yard and take a shit. The troll upthread is mistaken. But then we all knew it anyway because those privileged classes were always very efficient around exclusion of the lower classes that surrounded them. Boston College is the catholic version and also inaccessible to invasion by the entitled neighborhood gentrifiers. Howard needs to follow suit....build the WALL, Howard and fuck these assholes and their pathic pooch obsession.

Build a nice wall like we have. Iron gates are artistic and so practical.

*pathetic*

Less bridges, more walls.

For the trolls who thinks the campus at Harvard is open? Bwahahahaha....go there, bitch, and bring your dog. Let it be seen taking a shit or a piss on the main quad.....go ahead. Even if you pick it up, you will be asked to leave and promptly.

Not everyone is here for your gentrification bullshit. You want to run the show, 'hooray for me and to hell with you' attitude and guns blazing, we get it, but guess what? You don't.

Let's give everyone vouchers for free housing and let everyone choose where they want to live. Wouldn't this solve the problem?

R115 I almost hope for your sake you are interning at the Onion. That's a whole lot a crazy in there

Yale here. Calhoun '05. The campus is open. You can totally walk your dogs, and will be greeted by students happy to see him/her. I've also seen seen suitemates bringing their "illegal"cat outside to play in the grass on Old Campus.

Harvard is the same. My boyfriend from school went there and we went back and forth to each other's places on weekends.

If scores of local black people began treating the greens and quads at Harvard and Yale as their outdoor play areas . . .

Yale is a bad example of anything relating to race relations.

Love the reverse racism being displayed here. What would happen if an university said this space is for whites only? 1It is a sacred space. That university would be on fire right now and Jesse and Al would be extorting what was left.

If I were a hiring manager and a resume came across my desk for a recent graduate from Howard, I would throw it on the trash. I would do the same for any recent graduates of Evergreen as well. I can't with this whiny victim culture anymore.

The main issue with gentrification is the loss of affordable housing, but opposing gentrification is not the solution. Basically, what these people are advocating for is that their neighborhoods continue to be crime-ridden shitholes where only desperate people are willing to live. Is that really a solution to this problem?

Populations move around all the time. The Lower East Side has effectively no Jews left, and, in some number of years, there will be no Puerto Ricans or Cubans left either. Are we all supposed to cry about it?

Advocate for programs that actually help people, such as guaranteeing affordable housing. But complaining about gentrification is weak sauce. My number one complaint about the woke whiners is that they obsess over issues that hardly matter, and they have no interest in finding solutions to actual problems.

“Land that was worth nothing is suddenly worth a lot.”

...until all the homeless start shitting all over the place!

You're a piece of shit, r125.

I think some people act disgusted with dogs to signal the fiction that they have higher standards for cleanliness than everyone else.

Because they have nothing else going for them.

Insightful comments to the video.

Because hipsters like to live in a shitpile.

It's rarely blacks complaining about gentrification. It's usually hipsters or concerned white liberals. But they are the ones who started it in the first place. The problem is they want the neighborhood to change, but only so much change.

R133, you need to get out more. Black Twitter is all up in arms re gentrification. LatinX people are as well.

I love my quirky gentrifying Manhattan neighborhood. Where else can you watch pre-professional dykes eating greasy Thai food?

No one wants to be priced out of their neighborhood, especially if it's difficult to find affordable housing. What states/cities need to do is ban AirBnb and similar companies from fucking up housing markets . POC should also work together to buy property so they can't be forced out.

I'm mystified that some people here seem to question whether gentrification is real. Gay people, of all people, should know that it is. How many gay people are left in the West Village of Manhattan? How many on Castro Street in SF? We have become minorities on streets we used to "own". I returned to one of my old neighborhoods in NYC (Williamsburg), to find that the Dominican neighborhood I had lived in in 1982 had been totally displaced. No corner bodegas, no cuchifritos shops, no santeria parlors. Instead it was 90% white hipsters. Where did the former residents go?

At one time, there were many corners of large coastal cities where there was a heavier mix of minorities, often primarily blue collar. Those were the neighborhoods that actually allowed the cities to function (security workers, delivery people, janitorial people - all the sorts of jobs that people raised white middle class were unwilling to do). With gentrification and increasing wealth inequality in coastal cities, those neighborhoods have largely disappeared. Service people are having to commute incredible distances to do menial low-paying jobs, when landlords have kicked them out of their former neighborhoods by raising rents to levels they can't afford.

There is a long-standing progression of gentrification: A. Mostly minority neighborhood , cheap rents, mostly ethnic stores B. Artists looking for cheap rents start to move in, seek ways to make a street trendy and get their art shown C. Gay people looking for cheap rents and a way to get upscale accommodations on the cheap, move in and start renovating D. Yuppies see the cute apartments that have been created from former tenements and the cute trendy shops and want to move in E. Landlords start to evict tenants and charge higher and higher rents when they see demand. F. Minorities leave, then artists, then gay people as more and more middle class mostly white straight people move in. This has happened in NYC, San Francisco, Boston, DC, and elsewhere numerous times and numerous neighborhoods since at least the 1970s.

[QUOTE] I returned to one of my old neighborhoods in NYC (Williamsburg), to find that the Dominican neighborhood I had lived in in 1982 had been totally displaced. No corner bodegas, no cuchifritos shops, no santeria parlors. Instead it was 90% white hipsters. Where did the former residents go?

Are you Dominican? If not, that makes you an early gentrifier.

[quote]But complaining about gentrification is weak sauce.

Not as weak as calling anything—anything!—"weak sauce."

Actually, at the time I lived in Williamsburg, I was going to graduate school and living in NYC on $6000/year.....so, no, gentrifying was not part of the equation. Survival was. However, I could tell that I was resented, even poor as I was. But I see your point.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Is OP the gay white supremacist who was letting his dog poop all over Howard University, and told a TV reporter that if the university didn't like it, they should move because the area was for people like him now?

A link. It's to a local Fox affiliate, sorry -- most links I found were either to twitter feeds or blogs and I know how some DLers complain that those "aren't real news."

Is Howard actually "an open campus"? Someone compared it to GWU, which is actually quite open, located between the White House and the Watergate the way it is. But I thought Howard was its own little enclave up there.

[quote]I'm mystified that some people here seem to question whether gentrification is real. Gay people, of all people, should know that it is. How many gay people are left in the West Village of Manhattan? How many on Castro Street in SF? We have become minorities on streets we used to "own".

We either don't have many gays and lesbians left on DL or those we do are the stubborn, pigheaded types who lean pretty far right. I can't tell you how many times I've talked about gay history and not a single person in the thread knew what I was talking about. There was a thread started by a guy who was kicked out of the house as a teen and it had 40 replies from people saying "EST" before someone said "he was kicked out for being gay, how does that sound fake to you?" It never occurred to them.

This is the same. It's a thread full of people who are thinking only of the stereotype of gays being gentrifiers who clean up a neighborhood, and no one who remembers the reality of gays being gentrified OUT of our neighborhoods.

Who the fuck wants to pay $5000+ year property taxes on top of preposterous house prices for piece of shit tin can houses or condos? All of you here applauding gentrification need to get your head checked. California and New York are prime examples of what happens when “gentrification” gets out of hand. Rent and house prices have risen so much in San Francisco, that people making over $100,000 a year are still considered poor.

Real Estate is a huge fucking sham! Just to sell your house for say $300,000 you have to pay your realtor $9,000 and the buyers realtor $9,000 plus all the other closing fees come up to about $27,000. WTF did either realtor do to earn $9,000? Oh, you brought a person over to my house and showed them around and helped them fill out some paperwork. Here, let me pay you more than I would have paid a contractor to actually do work on my house and raise the value of it. Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE] However, I could tell that I was resented, even poor as I was.

How long were those Dominicans even living there? Who did they displace to move in there? They were just a blip, one of the many groups to inhabit that neighborhood and then leave. This is not gentrification.

In LA, a day doesn't go by without another hit by Jewish Lightning.

Since colleges and universities accept public money for funding and financial aid programs, one could argue that they are public spaces.

So if the Howard students don’t want the public in their space they should give back their Pell Grants.

All HBC's are a fucking joke. Just look at their graduation rates .Those white guilt trips are costing taxpayers 10s of millions every year.

[quote]All HBC's are a fucking joke.

They didn't used to be. They suffered in the same way women colleges suffered after traditionally white male colleges went co-ed and desegregated.

Don’t be a Troll, R150. Howard’s graduation rate is exactly average for all American Universities and is ranked 89th overall by US News.

R146, realtors are a scam but you are free to sell your own house and save the fees by doing the paperwork yourself.

Reconquista!

A Greater Mexico, with lands taken from Mexico returned — Aztlan, named for the Aztec people — is the kind of reparations African-Americans should seek. They should demand the American South for their own land.

THAT'S reparations. #solidarity

[QUOTE] Actually, at the time I lived in Williamsburg, I was going to graduate school and living in NYC on $6000/year.....so, no, gentrifying was not part of the equation. Survival was. However, I could tell that I was resented, even poor as I was. But I see your point.

Let me get this straight. America allowed them to come here from teh Dominican Republic. They move into some neighborhood as interlopers, probably bringing loud music crime and other social ills with them. Then they get resentful because someone else moved into "their" neighborhood. And we are supposed to feel sorry for them?

R111, don't pretend like you actually give a fuck about Native Americans and the land that was stolen from them when you're really just mad that Black people are saying to White people, "Hey you can't come into OUR community and OUR private property and act like you own the place."

r156 The Native Americans engaged in constant genocidal wars against each other for their entire existence in North America after their immigration from Asia.

They were savages in the most literal and extreme sense. To pretend otherwise is just anti-American propaganda.

All they did is rape and kill and enslave and torture and mutilate the corpses of competing tribes.

R157, What did you think the Europeans were doing before they came here and committed genocide?

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!! THE QUEEN AT R143 LIKED VIDEO IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!! TYPICAL ENTITLED OLD WHITE QUEEN AT HER BEST!

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I wonder if DLers will ever stop trolling and have a productive conversation. R157

What did you think the Europeans were doing before they came here and committed genocide?

they were busy defending Europe from Muslim conquest.

r158 They didn't even come here and commit genocide. Most Native American deaths after whites got here were either from accidental disease, or the natives continuing their eternal tradition of slaughtering each other.

And sure there were a few small pox blankets where a few whites intentionally spread disease to the Natives, but the vast majority of Natives who died of disease got the disease by accident.

If the whites had all got sick and died from some Native disease, you wouldn't be calling it a genocide.

Natives today will admit that the white man's civilization is much better than what existed before the white man got here and introduced civilization to the native savages.

And the Natives would not have even been forcibly removed from the East coast if the natives had simply been capable of acting civilized. Instead, the Natives simply did what they knew how to do, raiding camps/villages and raping, torturing, slaughtering, and dismembering the corpses of the defeated.

I know you think that this "culture" is just as valid as any other, but you're wrong.

R161, yes bc that was all they were doing and they never, ever, EVER not even ONCE engaged in genocide, rape, murder, torture, slavery, conquest. They were just trying to protect themselves from some big bad meanies even if they had to invade another continent to do it. I mean, who would even THINK of doing all those terrible things in the name of God, king, or country? Not Europeans, that's who.

r163 the Europeans were welcomed by Native Americans, who saw the white men as allies to fight their genocidal wars against rival tribes.

R162 "raiding camps/villages and raping, torturing, slaughtering, and dismembering the corpses of the defeated" Europeans literally did this in every war they waged before modern rules of warfare were established.

r165 hates white people. And if Israel drags the US into another Mid East war for Israel, r165 will blame the goyim.

Jews make sure to mention Native Americans and the Jewish revisionist history about Native Americans, every time Israel is criticized.

If Jews didn't pretend that the Native Americans were noble savages, Jews wouldn't be able to defend their genocidal rogue nuclear ethno-supremacist theocracy.

R166, at least I'm basing my post on actual documented historical facts and not ad hominem attacks and hypothetical situations that may or may never happen.

This post started about how students and faculty at a PRIVATE institution didn't want people who are not affiliated with that institution coming on PRIVATE property and letting their dogs piss and shit everywhere. It then turned into hatred for Blacks, Jews, Native Americans all disguised as pseudo-intellectual libertarianism and "White are just better, sorry guys". lol classic DL.

r168 "raiding camps/villages and raping, torturing, slaughtering, and dismembering the corpses of the defeated" Europeans literally did this in every war they waged before modern rules of warfare were established.

"at least I'm basing my post on actual documented historical facts and not ad hominem attacks and hypothetical situations that may or may never happen."

You're pretending that white people are exceptionally evil, because you hate whites. You don't care that whites introduced an infinitely superior and more peaceful civilization to North America. You just want to bash whites and pretend that the Native Americans were good people with a functional, peaceful civilization.

I'm surprised y'all also didn't manage to direct the conversation towards women and millennials. Y'all must be tired today, huh?

r169 pretends that the Howard students don't see color, and that the race of the dog walkers wasn't central to the black students' protest.

When white people dine in the Howard cafeteria, they also get harassed by the students, and it's entirely accepted by the entire student body.

R170 "whites introduced an infinitely superior and more peaceful civilization to North America".

The delusion.

These black racists should be free to be racist, and free to protect black spaces.

The problem is, these black racists refuse to grant white people the same freedom to self-segregate.

These black racists aren't even honest enough to be aware of their own racism.

Show me an anti-racism activist, and I'll show you somebody who doesn't care about racism at all. They're the biggest racists, and the most dishonest racists, and the most violent racists.

R172, HBCUs literally exist because of exclusionary educational practices that were present in this country for decades. How do white people expect to be treated when they walk in and start acting like they own the place?

R174, no matter how hard and fast you type about reverse racism it doesn't make it real

r173 You're delusional. You pretend that Native Americans were all one tribe, with one flag, and they just lived in harmony smoking the peace pipe and dancing in drum circles.

Name a tribe and name a geographic area they are from, and I'll show you how they're not from that area at all, but rather they committed genocide to temporarily secure control over that area.

r176 No matter how much you pretend that only white people can be racist, it won't make it real.

And whites earn half as much as Jews. Any talk of systemic control begins and ends with Jewish power.

"You Stole America from the Indians"

Jared Taylor refutes the argument that whites do not have a right to the United States because they took the land from Indians. He points out that Indians slaughtered each other over land long before whites arrived, but no one says they had no right to defend territory just because they took it from someone else. All around the world, people live on land they took from others but--so long as they are not white--no one says they have no rights to them.

R178, "Any talk of systemic control begins and ends with Jewish power." I see the issue we're having now! You're posting on the wrong website! Here let me help get you to the right place:

stormfront.org

In 100 years, blacks and other communists will try to promote the narrative that all the black on black murder happening today was actually white on black murder.

They will point to crime stats to show the number of black murder victims, and they will just exclude the fact that 95% of black murder victims were killed by fellow blacks.

There are white students at HBCUs....

R182, my point still stands

r180 Thinks it's proper to pretend that whites have systemic control over the US, but that it is anti-Semitic to make the same argument about Jews.

Even though Jews earn more than twice as much as white people. Even though half of all US billionaires are Jewish, about double the % of white goyishe billionaires.

Whites aren't even in the top 3 ethnic groups in family income. Jews, Indians, and Chinese all earn more than white families.

R181, most crime is INTRA-racial when you bring up black-on-black, you are literally talking about just regular crime. Try harder.

Jews promote the racist argument that only white goyim can be racist, by changing the definition of racism and by pretending that white goyim have systemic control of the US.

By their own bull shit definition of racism, anti-Semitism is impossible in the US because they are by far the most powerful ethnic group in the US, with control of the banking system, media, and political establishment.

R179, if you think I am going to watch a 7 minute video with some withered looking ofay who has all his talking points lifted from Fox News, Stormfront, and Brietbart and didn't even bother with the semblance of a set, you are deluded.

r185 and yet blacks ignore 95% of their black murder victims, and only focus on the isolated few that are killed by white people.

And like I said, in 100 years they will just re-write the history about the other 95%.

Just like blacks and Jews pretend that Jews didn't run the slave trade, and they pretend that blacks weren't first enslaved by their fellow blacks in Africa.

r187 I'm not deluded, I know perfectly well that you are dishonest and have a racial agenda.

You don't care that Natives were roaming hoards of genocidal warriors, for all of their existence, constantly committing genocide or being genocided by stronger tribes.

R188, this is how I know you don't pay attention, because Black people are constantly organizing around violence within the community, lol.

You guys haven't even downloaded Racism 2.0 you are still running on Bigotry XP, this is sad.

R188 Blacks don't ignore gang violence. You can protest gang violence and police brutality at the same time.

R192, but if he acknowledged that, where would his talking points go?

Wow, this conversation took quite a turn. It's way off topic, but I live in an area that still has a large native american presence. The tribe that lives in my area has lived here continuously for about 10,000 years. There are archeological records that establish that. There might have been intertribal skirmishes, but there was no genocide in this area, no displacement by other tribes. There is about a 25,000 square mile area here in the Northwest in which all the tribes are related and all speak a version of the same language (Salish). They have tribal stories of ancestors who witnessed the great floods of the Columbia River 8000 years ago. (They were thought to be legends until scientists figured out that those floods were the so massive that they scoured 1000 foot deep canyons out of solid rock). In this region at least, tribes welcomed the British fur traders and Catholic priests as guests, but didn't appreciate the arrival of farmers and ranchers, and the seizing of the land close to the rivers and especially waterfalls where they fished for salmon. A local creek is called Hangman creek for the native Americans who were slaughtered and hung there by white soldiers. So there's a lot of bullshit being pedaled here....... and this is just one example from about 60 in the trolling posts above.....

R194, thank you!

In all this talk about how Native Americans were treated, no one has said anything about the colonist Jews who have recently re-introduced measles into the poorer communities of the United States, after the disease had almost been eradicated.

R196, because what the fuck does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Oh really guys? 10 blacks will protest gang violence, with no community support, but entire black neighborhoods will riots and loot when a black thug loses a fight with the police.

Gangster rap is completely celebrated by the black community. Just look at their outpouring of grief over Nipsey Hussle.

Now imagine if Nipsey had lost a fight with police....

R198, like I said before, racist white like you don't actually know us or pay attention to us. Case in point the vast majority of Black LGBTQ people and women I know in real life and follow on social media didn't have any tears to shed when Nipsey Hussle died.

R198 Nipsey Hussle was on a mission to end gang violence. He was supposed to attend a meeting with LAPD on the subject.

r196 Jews were also spreading a deadly Thyphus epidemic all over Europe, which is why Hitler had to create blockades around the Warsaw and other Jewish ghettos.

The Jews didn't give a shit about killing people with Typhus. Shaving their beards and showering was against their Jewish religion, so they let the typhus-carrying lice live and spread from beard to beard.

The bogus Holocaust narrative pretends that lice-killing Zyclon B showers were actually death showers. In reality, they were life-saving, disease killing showers.

If Jews could get away with it, they would claim that every doctor who tries to contain this measles outbreak is just a Nazi doctor Mengele who is trying to exterminate the Jews.

R188, the Jews did not run no damn Trans-Atlantic slave trade, stop lying. And if person A does something X to you and then person B does X^3 + a little bit of Y and CONTINUES TO DO IT TO THIS DAY, you're telling me you would be mad a person A and not person B? Okay

R201, Baby, the resident Gaystapo are out in full force tonight!

r200 that's just a Jewish lie and a black lie. Just like the lie about the innocence of every black thug that commits suicide by cops.

If Nipsey Hussle was on a mission to end gang violence, he would have ratted out every gangster he knew.

Nipsey just wanted competing gangs to work together and stop killing each other while they sold deadly drugs to kill the entire black community.

Thread title change: Cuntrification

r202 quit lying, Jews completely dominated the slave trade. And not just into the US, but also to the Caribbean and Brazil.

Every early synagogue was located in a slave port, and the slave markets were even closed on Saturday because it's the Jewish sabbath.

40% of Jews owned slaves, but just 1% of white people did.

Slavery is still legal in Israel, and in Jewish religion. Jews are only forbidden from owning Jewish slaves.

R204 I see the delegation from the KKKiki is also here.

r197 -- white settlers looking to take over Indian lands would "gift' the Natives with blankets covered with small pox, so as to kill them all from the disease.

Jews have brought measles.

r208 And the Natives would have done the same thing, if only they could have.

Just like they would have done the same to each other, if only they could have.

r207 These black Howard students are no different from KKK.

Someone is trying to get this thread shut down.

R210, yes because the Howard students saying "stay off our property and respect our community" are in their free time wearing white hoods, bombing white churches, and lynching white residents with their dogs leashes.

R211, yes the Gaystapo, the Ku Kunt Klan, and Manifag Destiny are working overtime

r212 Yes, because Howard students declaring that "this is a sacred black space" is completely different from the KKK saying, "this is a sacred white space"

It is a sacred black space because it's an HBCU. I'm sure Wellesley is a sacred female space. Are gays not allowed their own spaces? If gays claim a space, does it make them the KKK?

R214, You can't take ONE thing about group A and see a similarity to ONE thing about group B and say they are the same, that is idiotic. By that logic (or lack there of) my tall, black queer male ass is the EXACT SAME HUMAN being as the short white girl in my class bc we both one said we love Game of Thrones. the Ku Klux Klan is one the most vile, murderous, and psychopathic organizations in human history. The atrocities their members committed and STILL commit to this day are worth an eternity in hell and more. Howard students don't deserve that bc they wan't white people to trespass somewhere else with their dog shit.

R215, of course it doesn't but bigots would rather be dumb than engage in honest discourse. Honestly most black people are not even pressed about white people declaring and having their own sacred spaces because white people have been doing that since they got to this country. The problem is that white people also want access to everyone else sacred spaces.

"Sacred" means that the space should be respected. It doesn't mean that outsiders are not welcome. Like I said previously, HBCUs have white students and white professors.

r216 you don't know anything about human history. All you know is that your teachers told you the KKK was really really bad.

3,000 blacks were lynched in the entire 100 year Jim Crow history.

You're literally declaring that killing 30 people a year is on of the greatest atrocities in human history.

You simply don't know better, because you don't want to know better.

1,500 whites were lynched during Jim Crow too. Funny how nobody pretends that this was some huge crime against humanity.

If the KKK was truly evil, they would have just slaughtered all the blacks, or as many as they could. Instead they killed about 30 a year, at most.

I love dogs, but people should not invade any college campus to walk them -- the grass is for students, not for pets.

The only people who make dog walking a big thing are New Yorkers, who are invading other communities. Most people with dogs live in houses with yards and don't need to inflict their pets on their neighborhoods.

r218 focuses on the word "sacred", and not the word immediately after.

These racist students aren't complaining about black people walking their dogs.

And they only stress "sacred black space" because racism is so central to their argument, and their identity.

That's why they chose the most segregated college they could find.

R219, have the old DL gays gotten so bored of hating on millenials and circumcised penises that they have turned to defending the KKK now? Jesus Christ.

R221, maybe they aren't complaining about black people walking their dogs because black people who have been part of the community for decades know better than to walk their dogs there.

r223 if these black Howard students had supreme power of a geographic region of poor whites, do you think they would kill less than 3,000 whites over 100 years?

Ok, time to block the troll.

R219, the white people lynched during Jim Crow were mostly white people the KKK thought or knew were sympathetic to white people, so take that up with your cousins. Also no the KKK did not just kill millions of black people freely and openly because murder was technically still illegal. That definitely limited how much they were able to get away. They couldn't just string 50 niggers up in front the White House in broad daylight, lol.

R224, okay so you're the Grand Dragon of the Ku Kunt Klan, I am honored a person of you station saw fit to grace this thread.

[Bold] CAN WE NOW GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT DOGS PISSING AND SHITTING EVERYWHERE AND THEIR ENTITLED SELF INVOLVED CUNTY WHITE OWNERS!?!?!?!

How does this raving lunatic anti-Semite get into EVERY THREAD?

Most of these hoods were dangerous dumps (what passes for "vibrant" in liberal-speak) before they were gentrified. No big loss.

R230, if all they are is dangerous dumps, why does gentrification take place in the first place?

[quote] yes bc that was all they were doing and they never, ever, EVER not even ONCE engaged in genocide, rape, murder, torture, slavery, conquest.

The assumption that anyone from Africa or Asia is innocent in this context is laughable.

Ask the Darfur orphan.

R232 No one is assuming this. No one is claiming that African or Asians have never committed crimes.. You guys are sounding really ignorant and your racism is showing.

And buy him a sandwich, while you're at it.

Accidental comma.

This thread is dumb as shit.

"Hey, the Holocaust wasn't that bad! Look at Boko Haram!"

"The KKK wasn't that evil because they didn't murder ALL the negroes."

"Every Native American and African tribe raped and killed millions of people, so I forgive my white supremacist ancestors!"

No, R234, it just becomes annoying when you hear people who are completely absorbed with slavery in the US who completely ignore ancient history harping about the negative effects that "white people" have on "everything". It's boring. It's stupid. It's dumb. It's easy. It's becoming a fucking disease.

It also could be the fact that Americans forget about everything that happened before baby United States was formed. But it's still annoying.

Whooptie shit. People were slaves in the states. People were slaves during umpteen thousand years before the states was even a country.

The problem isn't gentrification or "white people".

It's DOG OWNERS IN GENERAL.

Too many dogs. Bad for the environment. Glorified by "MTV" and popular music. Glorified in general.

The problem should be with dog owners in general. Not a race of people.

The article in OPs post has to do with DOGS being taken around a campus. The problem exists because dog owners don't pick the SHIT up from their dogs excreting all over the place. If people who owned dogs could grow a REAL CONSCIENCE, this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

They also have to be reminded that their dog SHOULDN'T EXIST because we made them out of NOTHING.

This has nothing to do with gentrification. It has to do with shitheads and their fucking, stupid, piece of shit mongrels.

R238, We are not ignoring ancient history and how every nation/tribe/ethnicity has skeletons in their closet or whatever. We are saying in VERY recent history group A treated group B in this terrible way that continues to have negative effects on group B TO THIS DAY. And group A has yet to make true amends for this treatment.

[quote]Sorry, but America is a WESTERN country. Dogs are beloved.

And people are treated like shit, but please, keep patting yourself on the back by capitalizing "WESTERN" like it means something beyond your "unicorns" and "rainbows" bullshit.

Some of you are such hypocritical assholes. The same people "tired" about hearing about "slavery" and whining about things being "too pc" are the same assholes who were happy that Kevin Hart lost his Oscar gig over gay *jokes* not even serious homophobia. Over fucking JOKES.

Really, fuck off with your "You're not allowed to offend me with anything including jokes, but I'm allowed to scream about you being offended by everything *I* deem no big deal or tiresome."

Bogo Haram! Bogo Haram!

[quote]If I were a hiring manager and a resume came across my desk for a recent graduate from Howard, I would throw it on the trash.

That happens a lot with Howard resumes. Seriously.

South LA, believe it or not, is the next target for gentrification. The first troops have already landed and are spouting the usual shit about how "vibrant" and "cultural" the area is, and they are infiltrating the schools to "help."

But tonight the place is blowing up, with three separate shootings. Usually, shootings are bad, but in this case, they hopefully will scare the gentrifiers. The problem is, the smell of money is quite strong, and their usual method of flooding a neighborhood with blacks won't work in this case.

Where are all the blacks going to go?

Las Vegas

Top story on the Times's page right now — an Upshot article, which is rare.

The inability of blacks to save money and live within their means will cause them to forever be transient populations.

Life changes. Neighborhoods do to. It is best not to cling to what was.

There have been numerous articles by actual economist (vs the opinions of r252) that people of all racial backgrounds accumulate their wealth in the US primarily through their real estate holdings. In other words, when computing total net worth, a home is included and usually represents BY FAR the largest asset (by monetary value) of the vast majority of Americans. Given the racial history of our country, majority black neighborhoods have real estate that does not grow in value over time, unlike most other neighborhoods. There are a variety of reasons for that. Non-black people rarely want to move there, thus that limits the pool of potential buyers. The average income of black people is lower than that of whites, thus they cannot afford to buy in more expensive neighborhoods. Many black people prefer to live in majority black neighborhoods because they don't feel safe or wanted in white neighborhoods. So a middle class black person can do exactly what a middle class white person does and buy a home in his neighborhood of choice, paying his mortgage until the house is paid off. When that process has ended, the white person's net worth will have tripled or quadrupled and the black person's net worth will have stayed the same or will have declined, because his real estate holdings have not appreciated in value over time. Incidentally, that same problem exists for white people in small towns of the rust belt and coal country. They buy or inherit property that is virtually worthless when it comes time to sell it. This is one of the sources of the much-discussed rust belt unhappiness. People who live there are trapped in a situation where their main asset has no value, so they can't really move to a place where opportunities are better.

[quote]Life changes. Neighborhoods do to. It is best not to cling to what was.

This is what people say when they are about to steal from you.

@CBSLA

Owner of beer and sausage restaurant Wurstküche under pressure to stop the eviction of longtime Venice residents after purchasing their property

@ABC7

California rent control bill stalls for the year

I'm surprised the NY Times allowed comments for that article. There's a big dose of realness from the commenters.

@jollenelevid

Out here at a playground I used to play in as a kid, listening to gentrifier parents talk trash about our neighborhood public schools.

*Waiting for them to ask me what I think*

r254 you're desperate for excuses for black people. This thread is about "gentrification", aka white people raising the value of black people's houses.

You simply don't have much experience with black communities, other than the excuses for them you read from politically correct socialists.

Even blacks with money and great jobs don't live within their means, in general. They will still spend too much money on their car, their clothes, their jewelry, and their home mortgages. They would rather live in a McMansion that they can BARELY afford the interest payments on, rather than a smaller mortgage with a lower rate that they can pay off quickly and focus on building wealth.

Even politically correct banks know this, that the vast majority of blacks are a terrible bet for lending money to, even the ones with great jobs. So what these banks do is they find a few wealthy blacks who are actually responsible, and they shower these token blacks with loans, so that these banks don't look like they are discriminating against blacks.

Just watch this video, which even most blacks would agree with:

r254 some links for you

and another:

and another:

But I'm sure that Valerie Love is a more reliable source than, say, STUDIES........

@damienISgoodmon

Gentrification isnt simply “neighborhood improvement” but is SYSTEMIC use of private forces & PUBLIC POLICY 2 forcibly displace low-income & vulnerable residents/biz owners from land & replace them w/more affluent ppl/uses to generate capital returns. Just ✔️ the root word.

r264 thinks she's smart for using the big word "systemic".

As the black guy in the video at r266 says, if black people cared about generational wealth they would marry their baby daddy. They don't give a crap about generational wealth, or even self-sufficiency.

75% of black kids born to single moms, 2/3 of which are welfare moms.

Black women don't care about finding a provider to have kids with, any sperm will get them a welfare lifestyle. And black men aren't trying to cut into their baller lifestyle spending money by giving it to their kids.

Black men would rather spend their money on a car, and chains, and bottles at the club, rather than live with and love their own kids, and set their kids up for a functional, middle class future.

Not all blacks, just most.

Heh...

op is making shit up

Developers struggling to sell swanky ‘Billionaires’ Row’ apartments,

Five years after the iconic One57 building became the city’s first “supertall” residential skyscraper, only 84 of its 132 pricey condos have been bought — leaving more than a third of them still on the market and none under contract, according to data compiled by leading appraiser and researcher Jonathan Miller.

Six other nearby buildings have as much as 80% of their units available, the figures show, with the total value of all the unsold inventory estimated by one analyst at between $5 billion and $7 billion.

Another building that’s set for completion next year — Central Park Tower, at 217-225 W. 57th St. — will put an additional 179 apartments on the market.

Gary Barnett’s Extell Development, which also built One57, got state permission to start selling a Central Park Tower in 2017, but no deals have closed — which would push the overall unsold percentage to nearly 65%.

Online listings show asking prices for available units that range from $2.1 million for a 14th-floor studio at 100 E. 53rd St. to nearly $64 million for a four-bedroom, duplex penthouse on the 76th floor of 53 W. 53rd St.

Top broker Dolly Lenz blamed the stalled sales on the sky-high prices, saying, “When people come here from other parts of the country and from around the world, the first thing they want to see is Billionaires’ Row,” she said.

“We toured them through the properties but many felt they were too pricey for the market — $7,000, $8,000 and $10,000 a square foot,” she added.

Lenz said the high prices were caused by a combination of factors, including the costs of property, construction, financing and high-end marketing — and savvy developers who have clauses in their contracts that keep lenders from forcing them to drop prices, thereby cutting into their profits.

@ABC7

Rents in SoCal among the highest in the nation when compared to income, new USC study says

I had the TV turned on while I was working yesterday, and was semi listening to some news documentary about Detroit's continued decline. There is some company or corporation buying up derelict buildings, only to let them deteriorate further in order to push neighbors out and drive prices down so they can snap up entire blocks.

Wish I had watched it properly. It's the antithesis of gentrification but just as insidious.

7 years ago

Are there any White students at your school? Or Latino students? I've met a few Black Latino students who'd gone to HBCUs for grad and undergrad, but they seemed to have a hard time fitting in.

7 years ago

Yes and yes. Also Asians and just about anything else you can name. It's just mostly black people.

As far as I can tell, they don't have much trouble getting along. Howard students are fairly accepting when it comes to race (fashion, however, is another story).

7 years ago (fashion, however, is another story).

I've actually heard something similar from someone who went to Howard and (I think) ended up working there. He described going to class as being similar to going to a fashion show. He also mentioned a process that he sees students go through that he called "Howardization", in which some students would end up becoming very snobby. Basically, they would let the whole "I go to Howard" thing go to their heads. Have you seen this personally?

jasmaree

7 years ago

Definitely.

I don't know if I'm happy or sad about the fact that a student here is more likely to judge you based on what you're wearing than on your race. People like to tout the fact that Howard was named the second most fashionable college in America (next to NYU) and you frequently see celebrities at the second fashion show during Homecoming (yes, there are two). It's not uncommon to see students going to class in three inch heels (On a very hilly campus too. They don't call it the Hilltop for nothing).

Unfortunately, a lot of people do develop a snotty attitude here. I don't now why, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who let the perceived prestige go to their heads.

it happened in nyc

Here's my question: For someone that grew up in a really White town (2% Black population) as a mixed person, I'm wondering how incoming students react to the environment. There are obviously going to be kids coming in from predominately Black communities, and ones were back home they were the "token" Black person at their high school. How do people adjust, and do the two groups tend to hang out separately?

Sadly, my college also had about a 2% Black population. I would have loved to take a Black history course filled with people more likely to already understand some of it/the experience. Some people who read this thread might not understand what being the only X in a class about X history can be. Not that this happens, but it would be akin to being the only woman in a women's studies class, taught also by a guy. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with it... you just end up explaining more in the class than actually learning.

jasmaree

7 years ago

They do tend to go into different groups. I'd say that the number of people who came from black communities is larger (usually their mother or father also went to Howard) and that group tends to be the largest. The people who went to predominantly white neighborhoods either go around in small groups or join others. They seem less at-home at first but then get used to it. Some, however, are shocked and appalled at how people here act. I have to admit there are some things I see around here that make me think "Why do you INSIST on making yourself into a stereotype for the sake of entertainment? You're making it worse for the rest of us." Sadly, that's a reason why people transfer away from Howard (among others).

Resumes with Howard on them get instantly deleted by many hiring managers.

@ChavezLevine

white folk sitting next to me at Delia’s just referred to our hood as “it’s such a cute, little, gentrified place. I love it! There’s a vegan ice cream shop!”

Do these students know that their "sacred black space, was founded by a predominately white church, and is named for a white man? Also, they are a "private" institution, that is actually funded by the federal government to the tune of over $200,000,000/year, for that amount of money ANY American citizen should be free to walk whatever they want to on that campus. The only other private institution I can find in the Federal Budget that gets a separate direct appropriation , is Gallaudet University, one of the few institutions of higher learning for the deaf in the US. Meanwhile, Howard's campus is valued at over $567,000,000.

wilfully obfuscating the discussion, aka gaslighting. just has to prove 'the blacks' are wrong, but it's not racist.

Inconvenient facts are not gaslighting nor are they obfuscating the discussion. Here are some definitions that might help you.

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity.

Obfuscation is the obscuring of the intended meaning of communication by making the message difficult to understand, usually with confusing and ambiguous language.

Blacks can't be wrong about anything. It's an old white supremacist canard, that black people are fallible beings.

I think it's wonderful that those people have their own school. It keeps them off the streets and out of trouble.

Just kill all the dogs. Problem solved.

I don't know why people are thinking this has anything to do with black people not liking dogs, go to any black neighborhood and you will see plenty of dogs. Most of them appear to be pit bulls, however.

pedantic racist shit breath who has to over talk just to prove a point.

If you have get in a car to take your dog for a walk it's ain't about walking your dog.

These are university students, so being pedantic should be revered.

Dont muddy up the waters with pesky truths R278. You racist !

Howard wouldn't be able to stay in business without massive amounts of government money.

@BernieSanders

In Greenville, South Carolina, and cities all over the country, people can no longer afford to live in the communities where they were born and raised, created memories and built families. We will attack the problem of gentrification and rising rents in America

In my opinion, gentrification would be less damaging if white liberals were willing to move to the midwest. 2nd tier midwestern cities or suburbs are much cheaper than typical liberal cities. It could also help heal the political divide in the country.

@APCentralRegion

This summer, the tiny Detroit-area city of Hamtramck may finally finish building housing it promised decades ago after a judge declared it had intentionally forced out black residents.

Hamtramck is all Muslims now. They have the call to prayer blasting from loudspeakers.

Welcome to your future, Western infidel pigs!

Anytime a single black person or a group of black people say or do something with which you folks disagree. You use it as an excuse to put your klan robes on and voice your long held white supremacist views and demonize an entire population of people. Your are ridiculously transparent and idiotic.

r294 paused to give us a lecture before returning to evicting black people so he can "gentrify" the neighborhood.

No one has been able to produce a written policy that walking dogs on leash is not allowed on the Howard University campus.

The Howard University Department of Public Safety, in its 2018 Annual Security Report and Fire Safety Report DPS writes "The general community has access to the grounds of Howard University."

Walking your dog on a leash does not turn that route into a dog park. A dog park is something very different. People must realize that.

Having a rule against students owning dogs on campus is not the same thing as visitors bringing dogs onto campus. Different issues. Some universities didn't allow students, or at least freshman, to have cars on campus - that doesn't mean visitors can't drive on campus.

I don't think that the University can do anything about neighborhood residents walking their dogs on the sidewalks and other public areas of the campus but if they don't want dogs on the green or other specific areas they can put up No Dogs Allowed signs. Many parks do that. I see nothing objectionable about that.

Universities and their neighborhoods should try to get along. You'd think if this were really a problem they could work this out - there sure are enough local DC government organizations - both public and private to handle such issues.

Why are they getting so much government money?

[quote] paused to give us a lecture before returning to evicting black people so he can "gentrify" the neighborhood

Meanwhile Howard University itself seems to be "defiling" its sacred property and encroaching on itself with big ass gentirification.

How is it everyone else's problem that blacks don't take care of their neighborhoods?

Slavery, r299!

@Juggolantern

Also during this “comprehensive cleanup” in Hollywood: 8 police officers and 6 sanitation are deployed to arrest and remove the property of an elderly woman from the sidewalk. ZERO outreach or mental health workers present.

Elderly Women in Eagle Rock Face Eviction

(Eagle Rock is one of the big gentrification neighborhoods in LA)

Highland Park is in Northeast LA, next to Eagle Rock

@KNOCKdotLA

Even if you've got the money, LA will still run out of water before you pay off your mortgage.

While I feel sorry for people like the lady in R302 and feel that there should be tenancy protections for someone who has lived in a house for 40 years. You can't complain that there is no investment in your community, and then complain when investment comes to the community. Investment brings change, you can't have investment and expect the neighborhood to stay the same.