Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis

Greedy, greedy cunt.

She looks like the cat that ate the canary.

Jayne Wrightsman was the person responsible for redecorating the Whitehouse but let her friend Jackie take credit for it.

It's hilarious how she's given all this credit for supposedly keeping the nation together after her husband was killed. The truth is, she behaved in the composed and dignified manner that any rich, old money society woman would have behaved. No, she didn't fall to the floor wailing but that's simply not how women of her time and class were raised. Her lack of any interest in any charitable pursuits, towards humans or animals is what makes her so notable.

I couldn't imagine making love to Ari for 20 million in 60s dollar. I would ask for a billion. At least Callas loved the troll.

R3 unsurprised. Jackie was all about money and material possessions. Can you imagine trying to fuck her? No wonder JFK sought other holes.

We still had about 10 or 15 posts left in the old thread, but one of the control freak cunts did that super-annoying thing by doing nonsense posts just to close it out. Fucking hate that.

R7 off his meds.

Another thread? MARY!

[quote]Let's continue all things JBKO.

Yes . . . let's! I could talk about her 24/7! Thanks ever so for starting this DELIGHTFUL discussion! WOO-HOO!

How long were Jackie and Lee estranged before her death? And what led to it?

“Dish”? It’s tea.

It was dish in our time, darling.

What's the deal with the pillbox hats? Did she start that trend or merely follow it? What were Jackie's major contributions to promotion of American millinery arts?

[quote] Her lack of any interest in any charitable pursuits, towards humans or animals is what makes her so notable.

I classify Grand Central Terminal as an animal. Purr!

Aristotle Onassis, could get it.....I think he had sex appeal, power, money, drive, confidence and I bet a huge dick. I don’t like pretty men. He could throw a mean fuck!

I can't even imagine how disgusting having sex with Onassis must've been. JFC!

I read that he was hung like a horse and that he fucked Jackie's brains out on the deck of the Christina, for all to see. Probably didn't happen but it sounds like something he would do, he looked like such a beast.

Power is sexy.

Her undercarriage always smelled vaguely of stale friskies and crushed pall mall butts

R5 Her settlement from the onasis estate was actually $26 million dollars. She could've gotten way more if she wanted, but she didn't feel like going through a court battle.

Jackie was entitled to as much as $120 million dollars. But excepted the $26 million just to move on.

I meant she could've gotten $150 million dollars from the estate. But excepted $26 million instead.

^^ Christina paid her $26 mill', cash, to 'move on.'

R23 Correct.

Alexander Onasis was very sexy. He and Jackie reportedly got along very well. Christina, that cunt.

We'll never run out of things to say about JBKO!

NEVER!!!!!!!

R3 I thought it was bunny mellon who 're-designed the white house? Or did they both work together?

Jackie looked like a fish. A money hungry fish.

“The first time you marry for love, the second for money, and the third for companionship”

I wonder who Jackie would have considered her best fuck.

It was Stéphane Boudin from the French decoration company Jensen who designed the most of the White House. He had previously worked for the Wrightsmans and Jayne Wrightsman recommended Jackie to hire him. She had to keep it a secret though, since it was controversial that a French firm would be decorating the most important house in America. Jayne Wrightsman and Henry Francis du Pont were members of Fine Arts Committee, which oversaw the restoration of the White House.

Bunny Mellon helped with the flowers and decorations for the dinners and of course desiged the garden. She also made the flower arrangements for the president's funeral and I think she influenced Jackie to have her closet doors painted in trompe l'oeil.

^^^ The French company's name was Jansen, not Jensen.

"Tea" is for pathetic SJW nonentities at celebitchy, Dear.

Here, we do DISH.

Any elder gays recall watching the 1968 television production of "Laura" on ABC starring "Lee Bouvier"?

I was 15 when it aired to huge ratings but horrific reviews. Everyone wanted to see if Jackie’s sister could act.

A classy David Susskind production with a good cast, Robert Stack, George Sanders, Farley Granger, Arlene Francis and of course Lee.

Been trying to find a copy of it for years. It only aired once. There was a screening at the Paley Center in Los Angeles a few years ago.

I seriously doubt Jackie ever married for love or companionship. Joe bought her off and Maurice had the Midas touch.

Did she have 360 degree vision? or a blindspot in front, like horses?

It's amusing and a little sad how gay men keep cyclically dredging up Jackie and the whole Kennedy era to admire the fashion, the glamour, the pathos and tragedy . At what point with pillbox hats finally die a natural death?

I’m sick of hearing about Jackie, yet I read every post.

[quote] Bunny Mellon...of course desiged the garden

Of course.

Part of the fascination with Jackie is due to the fact that she only lived to 64.

[quote] with a good cast, Robert Stack, George Sanders, Farley Granger, Arlene Francis and of course Lee.

Seems custom made for DL.

Supposedly Lee was so humiliated by the bad reviews that she bought up every tape floating around and even checked YouTube, waiting to pounce on anyone who might have a copy.

Was Lee a graduate of the Copacabana School of Dramatic Art?

Many of those swans died on the youngish side due to smoking like chimneys. It was either being thin and dying young or enjoying a big deli sandwich and getting a well upholstered bottom.

When JFK was elected in 1960, he and Jackie got a telegram of congratulations from Truman Capote in Switzerland signed, simply, "Truman."

When Jackie wrote later to thank him, she said "At first we weren't sure who it was from, but then we figured it out: Harry Truman wasn't in Switzerland and we didn't think he'd have signed the telegram, 'Love and kisses, Truman.' "

Was she being a snobby bitch, R45, or just “witty and charming”?

[quote]Many of those swans died on the youngish side due to smoking like chimneys.

Babe Paley, Slim Keith, Nan Kempner, CZ Guest, and Gloria Guinness all died from cigarettes.

And then there's Lee

R37 And yet, here you are anyways.

anyway.

Lee buried them all.

[quote]“The first time you marry for money, the second for money, and the third for money”

Fixed.

[quote]Part of the fascination with Jackie is due to the fact that she only lived to 64.

Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse.

R52 Hahaha.

It's too late at 64 to leave a beautiful corpse.

Supposedly JFK referred to Jackie as "the statue." As least according to Marilyn Monroe. JFK had felt Marilyn up under a table; Marilyn found it amusing. After hearing JFK refer to his wife as "the statue" Marilyn commented "I bet he never puts his hand up HER dress."

Didn't Jackie lose her virginity in an elevator?

a lot of hate for Jackie here.........She led an amazing life in my view. I think she did love Jack Kennedy but he was incapable of returning the sentiment. Rose Kennedy was a cold icy bitch who never showed her children any affection and it warped Jack for the rest of his life.

JFK was such a flop in bed (despite all the practice with 1000s of women) that I think Jackie actually enjoyed sleeping with Onassis at least in the beginning of that marriage. When he started seeing Callas again a month after marrying Jackie, it ruined the marriage for Jackie. Paul secretely did not approve of Bunny s friendship of Jackie.

Gossip.........JFK gave Jackie an STD which is why she kept having miscarriages.

Jackie was not the type of woman to go nuts over men in the physical sense. SHe was much too controlled for that. SHe was wary of men, saying at one point............man are such a combination of good and bad...................

JFK treated her like shit and so did Onassis for the most part and I dont fault her for the monetary value she received for services rendered so to speak.

Jackie was much more involved in the political side of Jacks life once he became president and she was an extremely valuable asset, especially in thawing the relationship between Charles De Gaulle and Jack and between Khrushcev and Jack.

It was rumored that Jackie had an affair with Bobby after JFK died and Eunice was heard to remark that Bobby was spending an awful lot of time with the widder......................(widow)

Rose Kennedy was so tight fisted with money that she only ever had the front of the palm beach mansion painted where people could see it from the street/

Most of Jackies style and sophistication came from her 50 year friendship with Bunny Mellon. At the time , in the 50 s and 60 s, Paul Mellon, Bunny s husband was one of the richest men in the world.

Jackie kept having miscarriages because she smoked two packs a day.

Jackie Kennedy Onassis struck me as a completely UNsexual being. I can't imagine her having sex with anyone. I imagine she must have been a real cold fish in bed.

R 47 Like the rest you mentioned, Slim Keith may have died from smoking but unlike the rest, she was quite heavy/ fat in her later years.

It was all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Here's Slim Keith with her walker, social moth Jerry Zipkin.

Bunny Mellon had nothing to do with decorating the White House. It was Bunny Bixler. Jackie just adored what Bunny B had done with her apartment at Park Avenue and 71st Street and wanted that look for the White House as well.

Not so much hatred but laughter at her saintly image. There's nothing wrong with sleeping with someone for money but don't make a person a saint for it.

What does carolines children do for a living? Or are they just jet setting trust socialites who lead quiet lives like their mother and grandmother?

You never here anything about them. A few weeks ago, carolines son appeared with her on CBS sunday morning to talk about the profiles in courage award the kennedy family gives out annually.

That's about it as of late. Oh yeah, and the appearance at lee's funeral back in february in nyc. Other than that everyone seems to be missing in action.

Trust fund socialites.

R68 very few of the Kennedy spawn do anything of any real worth. I will say Robert Kennedy 's daughter Kyra Lemoyne Kennedy is quite the rancid little cunt. I wonder if her mother hung herself out of shame over the smelly little trashbucket she created.

JBKO was a creature of her time and class. Unfair to judge by today's standards. She did what she needed to do: marry money. Unfortunately, b/c of JFK's assassination, she found herself hounded by the press and crazies alike. I read a stranger snuck into her apt as she lay dying, that she would wait for her friends at movies locked in bathroom stall.

Too bad she couldn't marry the kind of money she wanted without the Kennedy baggage. But, she was 24, getting on and she had the good luck that to be looking for a husband when Old Joe was looking for a wife for his son. The money was her #1 concern and Old Joe was the third richest man in the US at the time.

She sounds almost normal in the r66 clip, none of that whispery dragged out voice that she has when she was in the White House.

What's the deal with the walkers who escort socialite ladies in the US? Who are they, where do they come from and how do they get access to the rich and famous? Any other famous walkers besides Mr Zipkin? Who was, if I am correctly informed, Ezzie Fenwick in Dominck Dunne's books.

I adored Jackie as a teenager reading books about the Kennedys, but it took watching the documentaries about Princess Diana after she died to make it obvious to me that Jackie didn't give a fuck about anyone or any cause except saving an inanimate object--Grand Central. She power she had from the assassination to the day she died was enormous and she chose never to use it for any charity. That is unconscionable, when you think of it.

Jackie never succumbed as others did, to the tacky Barbara Walters type of interview.

"Jackie Kennedy imitated my voice when she was on TV." - Jayne Mansfield

R75 Did jayne mansfield really say that?

Just watched the clip at r66 She sounds like the same old Jackie.

Diane Sawyer HATES cigarettes. Maybe it's because her late husband used to light Jackie's.

Little seen archival footage of Janet Auchincloss with daughter Jacqueline Bouvier, circa 1951

I don't give a shit about the way she dressed, how she decorated the white house, or any of that superficial stuff. My interest in her is based on her talent for the grift - how she amassed her own fortune by sponging off old men. She got herself in good with old Joe Kennedy because she knew he had all the dough. Then she got with Onassis and waited for the inevitable pay day. Then she got with Andre Meyer and Maurice to take her money and multiply it again and again. That chick was talented! Who could we consider her contemporary? Anna Nicole Smith? No. ANS was light years behind Jackie's brand of scheming.

r79 WHAT A WAY TO GO!!!!!!! Best fucking movie ever! I was on cloud nine the entire time I watched it. For me, the scene on the private jet was like a dream. So Tasteful. Dean Martin, Dick Van Dyke, Paul Newman, the best!

R80, women have been doing it for centuries, and men are glad to have them do it. It comes from the systemic income inequality between men and women.

[quote] I couldn't imagine making love to Ari for 20 million in 60s dollar. I would ask for a billion. At least Callas loved the troll.

Most here have probably done much worse for much less, including you.

Onassis was bisexual.

R83 honestly no. But I admit I passed up a lot of sex. I sure would have done Alexander after his nose job. A very cute guy.

Ari's first wife, Tina, had an interesting collection of husbands, too. After marrying Onassis at 17, she was wed to the Marquess of Blanford (Blenheim Palace) for 10 years and then to her sister's widower, Stavros Niarchos. Died a year after her son, at age 45.

And rumor has it that Stavros beat her sister to death which was the talk when she married him. Everyone was appalled. Her son Alexander never talked to her again. She was sick with grief when he died in that plane crash. The whole family had a death wish.

R80 Than there's hoes like kim kardashian who hoed hard enough and became famous enough to make a massive fortune off of turning her name into a business. But she has to work to keep her name out there though.

Sonja Morgan could've learned something from JBKO.

Maria Callas : Ari Onassis :: Camilla Parker Bowles : Prince Charles.

At 16, Alexander began a relationship with Odile Rubirosa, fifth wife and widow of Porfirio, who was twice his age. Odile was also rumored to be one of JFK's conquests and just died in December at age 81.. Alexander was seeing Fiona von Thyssen, former model and ex-wife of uber rich Baron von Thyssen, when he died. She was also quite a bit older. These people were all the jet set of the time and knew each other and fucked each other. Aristotle Onassis was actually staying at the White House the day of JFK's funeral, though no one thinks that he and Jackie were involved at the time. He was considered a family friend.

[quote] Alexander began a relationship with Odile Rubirosa, fifth wife and widow of Porfirio

Was he as well endowed as Porfirio?

Well his father supposedly was.

Jackie allegedly hooked up with Warren Beatty shortly before she married Ari Onassis

She thought MLK was a Communist too

Boys are not fully formed at 16, not physically, emotionally or intellectually, so I think we all know why a whore twice his age was interested in him. Alexander barely had any schooling so was not particularly bright.

Jackie also fucked William Holden and secret service agent Clint Hill, as well as the architect she worked with on some project.

This was not the architect Jackie fucked, but she had modernist master Hugh Newell Jacobsen design her house on Martha's Vineyard. I am a huge fan of his work. I'm amazed Caroline had that house torn down and replaced it with some ugly monolith. I guess we all knew she had no taste by her choice of husband and lack of personal style, but Ed supposedly is some sort of designer. You'd think he could have contributed more than ugly DNA to the children.

, She and JFK had their Wexford house custom built. Jackie was very involved in the design process. Somewhere I've seen letters and photos cutout from magazines of exactly what she wanted that she would send to her architect. I recall one photo of a window circled and she had handwritten "For my bedroom".

"My brother did not have an affair with President Kennedy's widow. He had an affair with President Kennedy's WIFE!"

Jackie didn't want john jr to be an actor for some strange reason. Even though it was his life.

Actors are fags. They can be your friends but not your son.

When I was a kid, JKO showed up in Hyannisport on the Christina.

A huge, rusty thing.

My mother and her sister, like all the yacht club people, were invited to a reception on the boat.

Sister Lee was there and puked over the railing next to my mother ans aunt.

I didn't have a normal childhood.

R101, that sounds something like Lee would’ve said.

Junior, he's going to be my little hairdresser.

But for real though.

I've never heard anything good about Ed Schlossberg. By all accounts he's a mean, arrogant asshole.

R87, Alexander did not die in the plane crash. He was kept alive to give Christina time to return home to Greece from vacationing and for Onassis to have doctors flown to Greece to consult on Alexander's condition. Only after his condition was deemed hopeless was life support withdrawn.

R101 I believe Jackie's description of them was "fruits ".

I should have said he died as a result of the plane crash. Which itself was not fully explained. Was it human error, mechanical malfunction or sabotage?

Who cares about fags even if they are your best friends?

Maybe he regularly called her a cunt. You never know...

[quote] I've never heard anything good about Ed Schlossberg

Did he even move with her to Japan?

Why would he? She'd been bangin' the publisher of the NY Times before she left for Tokyo...

R112, This guy?

My palace in Paris was far grander than the White House, I did it all first and was copied. That bitch Jayne even bought a set of my china, The Flying Tiger while I was ill.

As far as JFK, as I said when he came over for dinner, out of a litter of 9 there's bound to be one good pup.

If he's Pinch and not Punch, that was the story back in 2009. Everyone involved denied it but no one seems to have believed them.

She was thinking of running for the Senate from New York at the time. The same day the story surfaced, she pulled out of the race for "personal reasons."

R96 I don't think she fucked Clint Hill. Not saying it didn't happen but what makes you think they did the dirty dirty?

Why weren't her teeth ever straightened?

I read she used to go into the White House bathroom with a glass of bleach and Q-tips to whiten her teeth.

Because people didn't care about perfectly white fake looking teeth back then.

I aspire to own a full collection of unopened complimentary Air Force One cigarette packs. Nowadays you get M&Ms. Who wants that shit? I do wonder if Jackie selected the brands served on-board. I also wonder if Obama had the balls to smoke in the air. Clinton always had a cigar during a flight. George and Laura Bush smoked in the White House. Did Obama let the tradition die?

She looks like Ringo Starr in the pic @ OP

Now, the Holy Grail, a full unopened carton of Presidential Aircraft cigarettes from the Kennedy era.

Did she ever forgive Joan Crawford for shooting her husband?

I wonder what brand the Presidential cigarettes were, or were there a selection of brands?

The brands changed with the President.

r116, you are correct. I confused him with someone else. I don't think there has ever been any suggestion she had an affair with Clint Hill.

Come on, wouldn’t it be thrilling fun to go shopping, have lunch, fun and then return the items and pocket the cash?

Jackie smoked Salems and Newports before switching to Marlboro Reds in the 70s

Lee smoked Parliaments so she could fill the recessed filter with cocaine.

Funny to think that Jackie smoked Marlboro Reds. Real truck driver cigarettes!

R126: they were den making out in a restaurant a few years after the president was killed and there have been rumours about them having a brief sffsir.

I read his book and he seems to have had a crush on her during his time as her agent.

R128, I've read that Jackie smoked L & Ms.

Clint Hill STILL blames himself for not getting to JFK quicker and possibly preventing the third and fatal bullet.

Well, it's widely written that she became quite the heavy drinker for a time after the assassination, so maybe Clint did get it hit it a few times here and there.

r132 Agree.

I doubt she would have fucked Clint---he was certainly not hot, and above all, he had no $$$, he was just a working schlub with a guilt complex. She fucked Bobby though ---how Ethel must have hated her guts lol.

After your financially secured, does it really matter who you fuck after that? I'd say no! You have enough $$$ to last several life times and now your just having fun.

That's one of the great things about being independently wealthy.

Was she seasick r102?

The tub was at anchor r102.

The Christina was a craft that looked like a commercial cruise liner.

My mother and the other yacht club ladies were not impressed.

The Christina was moored off the causeway between our golf club and Squaw Island.

It was too big to land in Hyannis harbor.

According to my Mom, Lee was an asshole, drunk and then puked.

Again, I did not have a normal childhood.

R129 that is hilarious! I really wish it was true!

That's a fabulous story, r139! Do you have any more gossip about Jackie or the Kennedy family from Hyannisport?

What was up with Jackie's "marathon shopping trips"? Any anecdotes? She obviously knew how to shop but what was a shopping marathon? 6 stores in an afternoon? 12 hours of shopping?

And she wore nothing but jeans!

R142 She resembles Gollum in that photo. Eyes lit up, staring intently at her preecciioouuss!

Well she truly loved her kids. Who cares if she thought anybody else could go to hell?

I give her that and there's nothing more important.

Oh, of course, r139. Mumsie was not impressed by the Greek billionaire's yacht! And stop begging for someone to ask about your upbringing. We don't want to hear the lame results of that creative writing class you wasted money on back in community college.

You mean Brown? The rich man's community college?

R142 That photo always struck me as hilarious. The greedy excitement in her face!

Jackie loved shopping more than anything, except perhaps smoking cigs.

R149 Jackie was a covetous little gremlin.

Jackie watched her husbands head explode.

What happened to the dress she wore. Was it ever cleaned? Wasn't it a Chanel or was it a Cassini?

R152, Jackie had worn the pink suit on at least two previous occasions prior to Dallas.

Jacqueline Kennedy was a lesbian and she was the one who had affair with Marilyn Monroe not her gay husband.

Would love to see a movie on Janet, jackie, and lee.

Maybe like what netflix is doing for the crown. Something like that.

The pink suit was designed by Chanel and I think the fabric and buttons were supplied by Chanel, but it was made in the USA.

French couture brands allowed certain high end stores or ateliers to make some their designs and provided fabric and details. It was a way for women who couldn't travel to Paris every season to still have access to made-to-measure design clothes.

When Jackie lived in the White House she poured over catalogues from the expensive department stores in New York and read the ads every day and ordered a lot of her clothes to be delivered to her. She also had "scouts" who were looking for clothes for her, mainly French brands, and contacted her when they found designs that they thought she would like. All the bills were sent to the Kennedy office in New York.

She went on shopping sprees after she got married to Onassis who gave her a monthly allowance of $30 000. Must have been a small fortune in the 70's.

After Onassis died and she had to pay for the clothes herself she was very careful with her money. I read an article where a sales person at Halston (?) said something like "Mrs Onassis was on a fixed income and had a budget for clothes and was very careful with what she spent money on and looked around before making a purchase". Unlike when she was married to Onassis, when she was known to walk into stores and buy every colour available if she liked something.

It's funny to see how long she used some of her things after Onassis died. She had a two toned Hermès shoulder bag when she was married to Onassis and was seen to use it a lot in the early 1970's. I recently saw a photo of Jackie a few years before she died - with the same bag.

The pink suit is in storage at the National Archives. IIRC, for some reason it can't go on display to the public until 100 years after the assassination, so 2063 is the earliest date.

she looks crazed and manic in those shopping photos

R142. it is well-known that Jackie had a scheme going for the entirety of the Onassis marriage whereby she routinely bought huge amounts of coutourier clothing/accessories on Onassis' dime and then sold the items to high-end consignment shops, pocketing the cash. Items never worn, and going immediately from the houses/stores they were purchased to those second hand shops. That enterprise was the nature of her ongoing shopping sprees. I'll say it again - chick was talented in the art of the grift.

I always thought that by the 1980s, Jackie's style of dress had become a bit blah. She was tasteful and appropriate, but not as interesting as she was in the 60s and 70s. I guess it happens to us all with age.

R158, I'll be 111.

R158, Caroline could overrule that 100 years crap and have it displayed earlier. We weren't supposed to hear Jackie's 1964 audio interview with Schlesinger for years, but Caroline decided it should be made public.

In order for the Kennedy legend to survive, never before seen/heard material needs to be made available to the public continuously.

It would be interesting to know the reasoning behind the 100 years ban and who made it. It makes no sense. Would it cause too much pain? Would those in 2063 be less traumatized by it as it would have less of an emotional impact?

Old school courtesan vs. Slavic whore

R164, It's not as though the pink suit still has JFK's blood and brain matter all over it. It was cleaned prior to being stored in Janet Auchincloss' attic and later moved to the National Archives for safekeeping.

It was Jackie who placed the limitations on assassination material being made public.

LBJ placed similar limitations on his oval office recordings, but Lady Bird overruled his wishes and allowed them to be released.

[quote]it is well-known that Jackie had a scheme going for the entirety of the Onassis marriage whereby she routinely bought huge amounts of coutourier clothing/accessories on Onassis' dime and then sold the items to high-end consignment shops, pocketing the cash.

I bow down in awe at the cleverness of that little money-laundering operation. I have nothing but admiration for Jackie, bitch knew how to pull a grift like nobody's business.

Lots of women dating/married to wealthy men do the exact same thing jackie did. Its called securing your financial future. She was smart to do what she did.

Jackie was probably able to bank millions through her scheme. Plus on top of that, the huge $26 million dollars settlement she received from christina. And all the other things she probably received throughout the years.

No wonder caroline is set up so nicely and doesn't have to work or worry about $$$. Jackie made sure her kids would be straight financially. And than there's those Kennedy trusts everyone has too.

Caroline and her children are well funded.

Funny, I got stuck with parents who did nicely for themselves but were like 'fuck you kids we've made this money for ourselves.' Which would be fair enough if they hadn't taken out the bitter unhappiness of their unhappy marriage out on their children.

$26 million was a shit-ton of $$$ in the 70s.

I like to think that every time Alec Baldwin assaults a photographer, Jackie looks down and smiles.

Despite her fashion this broad was so hard on the eyes. Her eyes are a mile apart and she was pretty homely.

Even if you think her homely she was incredibly photogenic.

....

i don't get people who say Jackie was ugly, homely etc. the woman certainly had something. An aristocratic bearing? Mystique? She certainly was not unattractive

Cecil Beaton said Lee was much prettier but not nearly as photogenic.

thanks to inflation calculator; $26 million in 1975 would equal $122,848,550.19 in 2019... the bitch was loaded!

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Lee looks like Nancy Reagan in that pic.

Big Mama Janet Auchincloss - she had the quickest bitch-slap in the East.

Young Janet and Black Jack Bouvier

Jackie had strong, unusual facial features. The total result was striking and

Lee had more even, classic features. She was pretty, but not as striking.

Blair Brown resembled Jackie the most out of all the TV movie Jackies.

Jackie's funeral would leave Lee bitter, aware of how deep the rift between her and her sister had become. This was only exacerbated by the reading of Jackie’s thirty-eight-page will the week following, leaving her nothing—not a piece of jewelry, not a trinket, not their father’s writing desk, which Lee had given to Jackie after inheriting it. What was the cause of the animus? Perhaps Jackie had never gotten over her resentment when, in 1984, Janet had bequeathed the proceeds of the sale of her Georgetown town house to Lee. Perhaps Jackie felt that Lee’s marriage to Herbert Ross had left her rich enough that she no longer needed any help from her. Or was there another reason that Jackie so completely snubbed Lee in her final hours? Gore Vidal had gotten to know and to admire Lee’s first husband, Michael Canfield, and as part of his near obsession with Jackie and—to a lesser extent—Lee, he writes that Canfield once confided in him: “There were times when . . . I think [Lee] went perhaps too far, you know? Like going to bed with Jack in the room next to mine in the south of France and then . . . boasting about it.” It’s hard to know if Vidal is telling a truth here, or passing on gossip, or is blinded by his eventual dislike of both sisters, especially Lee. But he had no problem assigning Jackie’s omission of Lee as a kind of revenge, writing, “Now, from the grave, Jackie inserts the knife.” He reports that Jackie once asked him, “Who was it who said ‘Revenge is more sweet than love’?” He goes on to argue that in his opinion, “The one person [Jackie] ever loved, if indeed she was capable of such an emotion, was Bobby Kennedy. As Lee had gone to bed with Jack, symmetry required her to do so with Bobby.” If the suggestion that Lee had had a fling with Jack Kennedy is true and Gore Vidal knew about it, then perhaps that was another reason that Lee did not want to testify against Vidal in his slander suit against Truman Capote. Perhaps he held that over her, and she had more to lose siding with her dear friend than with the contentious, sometimes vicious Gore Vidal. It seems rather churlish of Gore to have helped destroy Lee’s friendship with Truman. But perhaps at the end of the day, Vidal in some sense was family, though the connection was held together by a slender thread. In patrician, well-connected families like the Auchinclosses, the Kennedys, and the Bouviers, family matters.

What was up with JBKO's 'Flounder' eyes. Is this the reason she preferred to hide her eyes behind huge, dark "Sunnys"?

Jackies good friend jayne wrightsman just died at the age of 99. Another bygone era socialite exits the world. That era is definitely closing out.

R186 She looks like scumbucket Ted Kennedy in that photo. Apparently she and Ted were quite chummy. Like calls out to like. Jackie was not only relentlessly greedy but also lacking in any human compassion. When Ari Onassis died in a plane crash his father was grief stricken and Jackie expressed contempt at this. She thought he should just get over it . He wound up flying to NYC to see Maria Callas, in the hopes of being consoled. I think this concerned Jackie because he hadn't flown to NY in quite some time, she didn't want to divorce and lose her payday when he finally kicked it.

I always got the impression that Jackie Kennedy Onassis was a very unhappy woman. I think her avarice and greed stemmed from that. She tried to assuage her inner emptiness by buying things, which is not an uncommon thing to do. Betty Broderick, the infamous killer who shot her former husband and his new wife to death, was like that. She shopped and shopped and bought and bought, but none of it helped relieve her depression and agitation. It possibly made her feel better briefly, but that was all. I recall a biographer of Jackie's saying that although when married to Onassis she spent money like water but there was "no inner, spiritual happiness." I believe that. Compulsive spenders do seem to be trying to fill a void in their lives by accumulating material things.

She only looked attractive when photographed from the front, and even then she was kind of homely. The profile was wretched, as were her teeth.

Jackie looked like Stewie Griffin.

R49 According to the bok Jack & Jackie, she also took diet pills like candy while pregnant.

The above was supposed to be a response to R59.

What woman didn't take diet pills back than? Women back than wanted to be rail thin.

all you people suggesting she was ugly; if she were ugly she wouldn't be remembered and we wouldn't be talking about her, end of story. r185 Lee's will just released suggests that in 1975 after Onassis died Janet made a trust for Lee and Jackie and that Jackie relinquished her half of the trust and gave it to Lee because she (Jackie) didn't need the money, perhaps this is what Jackie meant by in her will that she had already helped Lee in life, In any case, anyone who ever met Lee said what a cunt she was, perhaps Jackie was right in cutting her out of her will and life.

I think Jackie genuinely loved her children and nieces and nephews but I would be surprised if Lee ever loved anyone.

When Alexander died I'm sure Callas felt nothing for the boy as he detested her and made sure she knew it but she was distraught as she saw the affect it had on his father. Onassis knew at the death of his son his entire life had been for nothing and went into a steep decline overnight. I don't think he even loved poor Christina whose fate in life was to fall in love with worthless gigolos and in spite of constantly popping all kinds of diet pills still look like a middle aged, stout, homely greek peasant woman. All the money in the world couldn't make her loveable. Her daughter is fortunate that she resembles her attractive grifter father who I believe she cut out of her life.

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R196 sad story.

I didn't know Jayne Wrightsman died.

Jackie must have REALLY been stupid to go sunbathing in the nude. Photographers were always after her; did she think they would respect her privacy if they saw her sunbathing naked? What an idiot.

R200 Jackie was incredibly arrogant. Her own husband Aristotle hated her so much that he tipped the photographers off . He had reportedly grown weary of her constant demands for him to sue everyone who ever said a word about her. Tabloids went crazy over the photos, referred to as "Jackie's billion dollar Bush ".

Well allegedly John Jr went naked at a nude beach where some woman managed to take either film or photos of him and sold them to the Kennedy family for a bit of money. Don't know if it's true or not but I think if he had wanted to go swimming naked he certainly could have found places to do it privately. Of course then you would miss the whole scene of a nude beach.

R199 Yes jayne wrightsman died on April 20th. There's a thread for JW.

Athina Roussel married and eventually dumped a Brazilian pussyhound who cheated on her with a call girl for most of their marriage. She didn't find out until her security staff caught them in bed at her house in Florida. Then, of course, he had the temerity to fight her for alimony.

Of course I've read other accounts before as well, but I'm currently reading "Jackie, Janet, and Lee." This read, along with the others I've read (Janet and Jackie) gives me pause to make an unpopular statement. Janet Auchincloss was actually an exceptionally good mother in so many regards. She was very involved in the course of her children's lives, steering them in the appropriate direction acceptable with their station in life. So smart mouths were slapped here an there. So what? She was decisive and always ready to act when necessary. She even withheld boarding school from the girls until their junior/senior years, and then as a means to jump start their sense of independence. Leverage that fact with Rose Kennedy shipping Jean and Ted off to God knows where at the age of SEVEN!

Janet "Mama Don't Take No Mess" Auchincloss

I don't find Janet to be attractive at all, even when younger. Since her father was a wealthy developer, that must have been what Jack Bouvier saw in her.

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What’s up with Athina Onassis? Any gossip there? She’s the epitome of “poor little rich girl”. No one is left from her immediate family, and she doesn’t have kids.

Janet wasn't great looking, I can see the appeal in Black Jack, both Jackie's parents dressed impeccably and knew how to wear clothes.

She got rid of her wretched but at one time very cute father(if he hadn't been such a fortune hunter she would have never existed) with 100 million and I'm sure her husband got a nice settlement to make himself scarce after boinking for years the woman he was really attracted to.

Yeah she's pretty much permanently alone. But she's got her horses and great homes all over the place with a staff to take care of them. That's something.

Fast forward to 06:25. A Royal procession to the State Dinner table. The Queen Mum is no doubt a bit "indisposed," and slightly annoyed to be walking behind a black woman. Who knew that Gary Coleman visited Buckingham Palace? Princess Michael of Cunt is caught doing the Meghan Markle thing.

^^^and yet Jackie Onassis is nowhere to be seen! ??

Sorry, my very first wrong thread post mistake - I was wondering where the hell it went!

Thierry Roussel came from money, including ABORTION drug money and Christina was certainly richer but I wouldn't say Roussel was exclusively a gigolo.

What the hell is abortion drug money, r214? And why all caps? Abortion is legal.

French family that brought the world an essential drug for chemical abortion - so I put it in CAPS because one assumes they made a huge fortune on it. Not because abortion is scandalous, so calm down you FRAU.

Well, thanks for the clarification r216.. and pardon me for wondering what the hell you meant... we’re no mind readers, even the fraus.

Then why did he go with Christina if he was already rich? Sleeping with her was heavy lifting and only a practiced gigolo could do it. And why did he grab 100 million from his own daughter to leave her alone?

How fucked up for your father to take $100 million dollars from his own child. Some people just can't help themselves.

He knew how to use a razor. There's only hair in the right places.

Nice body jr had there.

Something's not right with the face there. Some plastic surgery? Teeth fixed? Very Italian looking. Like from Queens or Staten Island.

Just finishing up the J Randy Taraborelli book "Jackie, Janet, and Lee." Concerning Jackie's omission of a bequest to Lee at her birth, I read that Jackie regularly "helped" Lee financially. Also, it was reported in other publications that Lee was "fobbed off with a million dollars" from Ari Onassis when he traded Lee in for her sister. By the late 70s when Hammersmith Farms was being sold, there was a family meeting called with most children/siblings attending. It was a last ditch effort to keep the estate in the family. Unfortunately, they all looked directly to Jackie to save the property all on her own. Though worth around 100 million dollars by that time (Maurice had made an eight-fold return killing for Jackie via gold futures), Jackie was no fool. She advised that she would be willing to chip in among the others to come up with the $850k Janet and Hughdie needed, but she would not shoulder the burden alone. Bear in mind that although she was raised in the man's homes, it had always been made perfectly clear to her and Lee that they would NEVER receive any money from him through trust or outright inheritance. Finally, as Janet had been suffering for years with the onset of Alzheimer's disease, Lee took advantage of her illness by "helping" Janet to decide to sell her Washington, DC property for $650k. Furthermore, the neurologically ill Janet gave every penny of it to Lee. No one else in the family knew what had transpired between the two until it was over and done with. Jackie found the occurrence to be "highly suspect" on Lee's part. Lee had grifted from her own Alzheimer's suffering mother.

*** at her DEATH

Vintage gossip: “Onassis, Jacqueline Kennedy. Had a "world-class spending fetish." Linked with Gianni Agnelli, Warren Beatty, Marlon Brando, Pete Hamill, William Holden, JFK, RFK, Ari Onassis, and Frank Sinatra.”

^ She was a little more than "linked with" JFK and Onassis.

R223 Jackie was very smart not to be the only person to shell out $850K dollars to help save an estate she wasn't going to inherit from.

I wouldn't either. Even if I had $26 billion dollars in cash. I'd chip in, but not shoulder the entire burden especially where the stepfather made it perfectly clear that me and my sister weren't going to receive a dime from the estate.

He should've been looking at his own children to help save the family estate. Not his former first lady step daughter. Or was Mr already dead by that point?

And jackie never had $100 million dollars. When she died, her estate was actually valued at $43.7 million dollars. Much more than the $26 million she received in the 1970s. Still a lot of $$ but not $100 million dollars.

And plenty for her to live in peace and have a financial peace of mind.

Isn't it about time for all of the JFK jr mass hysteria since where approaching the 20 year anniversary of his death along with his wife and sister in law?

I'm sure network tv will have many specials to mark the occasion. Should be interesting.

Couldn't Jackie have simply bought the estate outright? Then allowed her mother to live there with nurses and then sold it when her mother died? I thought that was the whole idea, to hold onto it for her mother to keep her in her home until she died. Maybe somebody could clear this up for me?

according to the inflation calculator $43 000, 000 in 1994 is equal to $74,146,855.60 today. While Jackie was rich compared to mere mortals, compared to wealthy people of the day, and certainly by todays standards, she wasn't nearly as wealthy as she appeared. I guess being married to a Kennedy and to Onassis, along with having good taste and manners, made her appear to be wealthier than she was.

I beg to differ. That woman had a hell of a lot more than 43 million. That's just my opinion

Perhaps Jackie had no interest in saving Hammersmith Farm, clearly she didn't. Perhaps she associated the place with bad memories? By all accounts Janet was a difficult woman and a critical mother, who knows what their relationship really was? After all Jackie had gone through I think her number one goal in life was self preservation through money. The cost of the upkeep of those kind of houses can be enormous, I don't blame Jackie for not buying the house just to appease her mother even though she could well afford it, if she had no vested emotional interest in the estate and Janet had always been cold and aloof, why bother? Hammersmith Farm probably represented a painful past for Jackie that she didn't want to revisit, so she moved on.

I beg to differ. That woman had a hell of a lot more than 43 million. That's just my opinion

I agree. She probably had clever accountants and lawyers, along with Tempelsman, conceal and hide assets and money in trusts and offshore accounts, a tricky estate plan, selling property to her children for a small nominal fee to avoid death taxes etc. She probably had 43 million in cash and 100 million in assets

Ok.

I just thought Jackie had loved her mother enough to do it. Clearly then she had very ambivalent feelings about her.

Janet Lee Bouvier Auchincloss was by all accounts a nasty, ice-cold bitch. Nobody liked her. She was not a good mother to Jackie or Lee. She was lucky they helped her at all in her old age.

So basically Lee was completely broke? And she needed jackie and her mother to help keep her in the money? She was basically keeping up appearances and her entire wealthy socialite persona was just smoke and mirrors?

If so, she played it well.

reading between the lines I think Janet was the cause of most of her daughters insecurities. Her snobbery, obsession with appearances and money and status ruined both Jackie and Lee's lives. It turned them into shallow, superficial bitches, Jackie had the intelligence and insight to somewhat rise above and overcome her mothers petty snobbery, later in life, Lee never did. Black Jack seemed to be the nurturer in the family but he too had his problems. You could also argue that Janet's snobbery propelled Jackie's ambition, but was it all worth it? Lee became her nasty, pretentious, shallow mother in the end, though probably not all of her own making. Lee seemed to be very unhappy most of her life, and very bitter, she never fulfilled the expectations their mother drilled into them from birth, and it destroyed her.

R126 - one of Edward Klein's books, Just Jackie, has a chapter in which an unnamed source claims to have seen Jackie and Clint kissing at a restaurant in 1964. That being said, I would take anything Klein writes with a pinch of salt. (For example, the book also features a description of Jackie at baby Patrick's funeral - which she didn't actually attend, as she was still in hospital.)

Read the book, R236. You'll be surprised to find out just how wrong you are. Janet Auchincloss was actually a very good mother to her children. She was fiercely protective of them, especially her daughters. Jackie loved her mother very much. Though the big house and 90 of the 100 acres were sold to outside investors, Janet still retained two homes on the property and 10 acres. The Lighthouse was sort of a small bachelor's pad. She moved into The Castle which is a big house on the property and she still required live in help including a majordomo, a few maids, and a cook - a groundskeeper too. Hughdie died a few years later, so Jackie probably had the foresight that it would be time for her mother to downsize a bit.

^^^children cant help but to love their parents, even when they're monsters

All of these people are endlessly fascinating to me. Let's keep this going.

I bet that alligator skin bag Janet has in the R240 picture coast an arm and a leg. Wonder what brand it was.

You could buy an excellent new car with what a label alligator bag would cost you.

While I object to fur alligator is worth it. God I hate those monsters but their skin makes a wonderful material.

Her hair, under the bouffants and the falls, was a concern...

I've often noticed that, for the first year or two her marriage to Ari, Jackie was RADIANT. She looked so sexualized it was almost embarrassing. I'm sure sex with Jack was wham/bam.

Ari looks so repulsive but he seems to have had no problems keeping women in his thrall.

r240 Janet Auchincloss being a nasty bitch has been verified in numerous sources. She was rather imperious with Jackie and Lee and they had lots of issues.

Sorry I meant cost.

exactly r248, r240 was the first time I've heard anything nice said about Janet.

R229 . . .

Clint Hill is still around in his late 80s. Recently active on instagram.

A society debutante marrying well was the whole point back in time. It's a bit quaint and no longer a given for women of that "class". Perhaps not a lot to be admired but definitely what many women were raised to do at in days gone by. "Escorts/models" who hang in certain watering holes in Manhattan looking for johns are another matter- particularly those who put up web sites that are all lies (graduate with an architectural degree (lol) that later have to be taken down- once she's made her best john her husband. THAT is what our First Lady was- she certainly has up graded her style and presentation- although when she opens her mouth out comes other peoples words (plagiarism) or just stupidity as level that astonishes. I wonder what her technical skills were as an immigrant that justified her citizenship? Tee hee. In my lifetime I never thought I would see the circus at the top of our gov't that is going on now. And this buffoon con man who all serious NYers avoided as best they could for decades (think Roy Cohn, John Gotti etc) bullshits his way to reality TV and POTUS.

Did you meet Jackie or Lee or any of the other Bouvier/Kennedy/Onassis family, Charlie?

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[quote] Boys are not fully formed at 16, not physically, emotionally or intellectually,

My ass would say otherwise

R254-,yes, both Mrs O and the Princess. Lee, far as I could tell, was a brittle not particularly nice woman- she definitely had substance abuse problems on and off. Mrs O was very nice (to everyone), bright, funny and all together lovely person- from my perspective. My Mom knew Jackie (same clubs in NYC). And a couple of my siblings knew Caroline (younger brother who was at Harvard sane time as Caroline) and Joe (Bobby’s eldest) quite well. One of my brothers in-law was Joes roommate at Milton Academy. My sister went to Milton as well- sweet hearts- married that brother in law. Met JFK Jr at the NYU Cole gym- a very nice guy and as handsome a fellow as I ever met. We had enough in common background wise to make small talk. My Mom liked Mrs O, but could not stand the Kennedy brothers. I recall her pointing out to me a town house Beekman Place when I was a teenager and saying it was where Joe Sr and his sons housed and caroused with women.

RE Janet Auchincloss

Okay. Imagine you have a boss at work who no one seems to like very much because he/she makes you do you work. He/she sees to it that you and all the other workers he/she is responsible for have everything you all need to perform your work to the best of your ability. This boss is no nonsense, and not the talkative personable type. He/she is all about taking care of business. Therefore, you will also be taking care of business at all times. You come to work one morning to find there are people cleaning out their desks - some of them are crying, and some of them are pissed off. They've just gotten the boot for productivity issues. A whole bunch of them are fired that day as the company takes the opportunity to "right size." Lo and behold, neither YOU nor any of the folks on your team working under that boss which no one seems to like have been booted. You're safe - your jobs are secure. Why? Because though on the surface your boss seemed like a real shit, but underneath he/she was only navigating his tight ship with the foresight to understand that his approach would make all the difference at some point. He cared, and YOU had a damned good boss even if you never knew it.

This is Janet Auchincloss. She took care of business where her daughters were concerned. She made sure that they did all the things that were expected of them to perpetuate success in various areas of their young lives. She set the bar and instilled in them the necessity for meeting the goal. This woman knew through her own experience that a life with money and advantages were far more preferable than a life without. She knew that her husband would not provide for her adult daughters in the same way he would for his own adult children. The burden of responsibility for ensuring her daughters' financial well-being rested squarely on HER shoulders, alone. Just as her husband, Hugh Dudley Auchincloss, would not provide for her daughters, neither would her father - their grandfather - James T Lee. Janet suffered a lot of emotional and verbal abuse from the men in her life. Her father did not mince words with her, and he was always telling her that she was stupid, worthless, a liability etc. He was distant. Need we go into her suffering as a result of her marriage to Black Jack Bouvier? It was the men in this woman's life who made her tough, being described by more than once source as "the formidable Janet." From what I've read, and I've read a lot more books besides the one I've just finished, I deduce that she was simply a very strong character who knew what had to be done and did it.

Janet Auchincloss had lots of good friends, and there were many who thought and spoke highly of her. So she pulled a kitchen knife on a particularly insubordinate maid - it only demonstrated that she was ready to tango if the maid wanted to take it that far. Her servants regarded her very well, indeed. She left $30k each to the two daughters of her groundskeeper for college. She only left $25k to her last husband, Bingham "Booch" Morris. Booch. Jackie hated him with a passion because she believed that he mistreated her mother regularly. There was one occasion where one of Jackie's colleagues at Double Day walked into her office to find her frustrated and in the midst of a crying jag. She had just gotten off the phone, and was gathering her things to leave the office post haste. Per the colleague's recollection, Jackie was traveling directly to Newport so that she could rescue her mother because of something awful Booch had done to her. Her worry for her mother's welfare was great and never diminished. Furthermore, it was noted that at her mother's funeral, Jackie had been inconsolable as she went off to a corner to cry alone. Janet's good friend Oatsie Charles went to her and hugged her to find that "....she went stiff as a board in my arms and then looked at me as if she had never seen me before in her life." Jackie was 60 years old at that time. She composed herself when she had to leave the funeral home.

Hi, I just heard about this lady from the olden days. I don't see what the big deal is about her. But it must have been horrible to have the presidents brains blown all over her. Our teacher told us she didn't even change her clothes. Gross!

A mutually devoted mother/daughter duo as any other

^That was at Caroline's 1987 wedding. Janet would be gone in about two years and Jackie in less than seven.

R260, Caroline was married on July 19, 1986.

Jackie's White House portrait.

r256: that's amazing! I love to hear about people who met historic figures. Interesting that Lee came across as not particularly nice. Nobody seems to really like her. I just finished "In her sister's shadow" and it's not a very flattering book.

r257 thanks for your essay Jamie Auchincloss

Jackie and her mother never got along, and Jackie didn't see much of her for long periods of time. What is this revisionist bullshit that Janet Auchincloss was anything other than a total nasty cunt?

DL Stans can't face that many Bouviers, Auchinclosses, Radziwills and Kennedys were world class cunts.

No, dude. YOU'RE the revisionist

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She looked bovine.

It's much too much easy to deem someone just one or two things and wash your hands of the entire matter. In this case, you're relegating Janet Auchincloss to being nothing more than an "ice-cold bitch" and you're done. The real facts of the matter in any case about anyone are so much more complicated as we take into account the huge gray area - nothing about life is a simple matter of black or white. It's only a useless dummy who does not seek out the truth and facts. Such individuals are dangerous in so many ways. These types of people are to be held in disdain and never suffering their insufferable, completely unreliable opinions. It's only your own negative minded kind who will bother to listen to you. Therefore as you share a laugh with like-minded individuals, there will be others who look down upon you with a disgusted expression on their faces, astonished at your utterly self-imposed, willful ignorance.

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FFS r274 The relationship between Lee, Jackie and their mother has been well-documented in countless sources, with eyewitness accounts. It was a very difficult mother-daughter relationship. The most recent Jackie memoir by her former nanny/assistant included mentions of Janet being an impossible bitch.

Never presume to know how any woman truly feels about her mother (or daughter). There is no more complicated relationship than the one between mother-daughter.

“Love-hate” usually covers it.

She sure was ugly.

Tomorrow is the 25 year anniversary of Jackies passing. I was only 6 years of age, but I've always found her and the people who surrendered her in life to be very fascinating people.

Now her sister Lee is gone.

All the historical references to Jackie's style and know-how pertaining to all the things that really mattered to these people ie dress, interior decorating, how to run a home etc. Who do you think Jackie learned all of this from? Janet. Janet is also the singular reason we knew her daughter as Jackie Kennedy and not Jackie Husted - actually if it were the latter, then we'd have never known of her at all. Janet alone placed her daughter on the path to history.

The epitome of style.

r267 I've got plenty of photos smiling with my mother too, doesn't mean she wasn't a hateful bitch and that I didn't loathe her. Your photos prove nothing. Also, people of that era and class didn't air their dirty laundry in public and always presented a united front no matter how much they disliked each other. It probably wasn't a hateful or loving relationship, it was probably obligatory and very passive aggressive

"Obligatory and passive aggressive" is basically Jackie's relationship with her mother during Jackie's adult life.

JBKO's father . . .

R283 Very true. Can anyone imagine if the world had never met jackie kennedy? How crazy would that be?

America and the rest of the world met Mrs Kennedy for a reason. I'm glad she was first lady, her story is really interesting.

Someone once said she (Jackie) gave us class and dignity and taught us how to behave. And I think that's true. She never gave an interview, always presented herself well, never complained and never gave anything away. That's class and dignity, especially in a world where, now, everyone wants to shove their dirty laundry in your face via social media.

I've always taken the jackie kennedy approach to life which is, never talk always stay gracious and never tell your personal business.

I wonder what jackie would think of this trashy kardashian social media reality tv society were currently living in today?

And what would she think of what the met ball has turned into today?

^^^she'd ignore it all, because it's beneath her

Some fool wrote recently that if Jackie were still alive she'd have social media! Like hell she would! She'd think it tacky and vulgar, and in any case, she wouldn't need it, she would still have photographers and journalists to chronicle her life without the need to intervene.. She'd probably have a iPhone to keep in contact with her family and friends, and just a little bit of botox and filler in her face, very subtle with some wrinkles left in for good measure, but never social media.

In varoius places, I've read the claim that JFK and Jackie had picked out Arabella as a name for their stillborn child, although her grave is simply marked "Daughter". Wikipedia says that she would have been named Arabella in honour of the ship that accompanied the Mayflower. Does anyone know the source of this rumour? Their three other children were named after family members (Caroline after her aunt Caroline Lee, John after his father, and Patrick after JFK's grandfather) but I don't think either Jackie or JFK had a close relative named Arabella.

I don't think even Lee had any social media accounts, R292, and she was much more fame-hungry than Jackie was.

Embarrassing confession: I fell for the @RadziwillLee Twitter account at first. I'd been following it for months until I realised it was a parody. I never noticed that it was missing the blue verification tick.

Jackie knew that keeping her trap shut re books, interviews would make her seem "mysterious" and hence, more desirable a personality to dolts like you. Acting aloof has its advantages---always. It hardly makes her some kind of "gracious" person, however.

Class and dignity?

That cold money grubber haggled with Christina Onassis about a settlement on the very day of Ari's funeral, using Teddy Kennedy to back her up. Tacky Jackie!

That whore fucked Bobby Kennedy, her brother-in-law, hardly giving a shit about Ethel's feelings. Didn't she have any boundaries or was having a Kennedy cock such a big deal to her?

She manipulated John Jr. to the day of her death---pressuring him not to act, to not do what he really wanted. No wonder he married another control freak, only a neurotic coked up one.

She flaunted her relationship with that ugly rich diamond merchant in her last years ---and he was married, too---and of course, he made more millions for her.

She had ugly hands, that's why she always wore gloves. Prince Charles should do that to hide his ugly hands.

John rj was a even worse philanderer than his father and cheated rampantly on every girlfriend he had and carolyn. He was dumb, leaning republican and supported his rapist/pedo cousins. How on earth did he ever have a good guy image ?!

He has an ugly face, too. Shame he can't cover that up in public.

Jackie covered up her mile wide-apart eyeballs with big ass sunglasses---and they looked great on her.

Was jackie a jet setter or was that more lee? Lee seems to have been the one who was more international than jackie was.

When I think of America, jackie is definitely an American icon that comes to mind. Especially in the mist of the kennedy Camelot years. Especially the photos taken of Jackie and JFK and the children on Hyannis port at the kennedy family compound. There's just something very 4th of July and very American about those photos.

It makes me think of that Ray Charles America song. That's pretty much how I see the Kennedy's and jackie. They pretty much sum up America for me. Its almost as if they are America, if that makes any sense.

What is your mother tongue, R299? God bless!

Nobody wrote a song about me. Fuk em. Fuk em in the ass.

^^^if you mean America appears wholesome and happy and healthy on the outside but is actually corrupt and dirty and ailing on the inside, then yes

r302 is response to r299

who gives a fuck what Prince Charles' hands look like? But you can put a paper bag over his wife!

JBK was a successful whore who smoked too much. She WAS trying to get out of the car. She could look both ways simultaneously when crossing the road. She was most cozy with cash.

R302 Yeah, I guess you can say that. But I just think of everything as being perfect and very America! Happy healthy and wholesome like you said.

Even though I know there's a lot of darkness underneath the surface. And I say all of this as a person of color. I think subconsciously I wish that was the America we all actuality live in.

Subconsciously anyway.

I trolldared this thread. 2 pathetic trolls posted 50% of it.

I wanna be Jackie Onassis

I wanna wear a pair of dark sunglasses

I wanna be Jackie O' Yeah

Pray you get you wish^

I wonder if there's any of jackies DNA or fingerprints left in the white house after all these decades? Wouldn't that be something?

Like if there was a stran of her or something from her that has remained in the white house in some obscure corners of the white house.

What do you guys think?

Hair.

When Bobby announced his candidacy for the office of the POTUS, Jackie, thrilled, had exclaimed: "We're going to be back in the White House!"

Ethel, taking a long drag from her menthol cigarette: "Who is 'we'?"

[quote]John rj was a even worse philanderer than his father and cheated rampantly on every girlfriend he had and carolyn.

People who are that beautiful can't be monogamous. They just can't. It's a part of life.

Jackie could have been so much more. It's a little sad to think about. Good looks, certainly enough money, more fame than anyone at one point, poise and charm and accomplishments. It all seems so empty after the fact.

Ethel never smoked.

He was better looking than his dad but his dad had sex appeal. Jr didn't.

r314 Jackie was a private person who wanted to live a private life, which she had every right to do. Except for Hillary, most former First Ladies stay out of the spotlight after their White House years are over. Jackie was no different.

^ Ridiculous and untrue assertion.

This is an interesting article on Jackie's unique speaking style.

R310, You're more apt to find traces of JFK's DNA in the White House rather than Jackie's.

R319 But they both lived there. Why not Jackie too?

Jackie didn't ejaculate.

[quote]Ridiculous and untrue assertion.

Nope and nope. Most First Ladies kept a rather low profile after their terms.

Jackie was under no obligation to continue in public life after her time as First Lady was over. She wanted a private life and she had every right to one.

What is there to talk about? Jackie O was a frigid high-class courtesan, whose lust for the money of her Johns are carefully masked by the illusion of top-class breeding.

Furthermore, and this cannot be overemphasized at all, but Jackie witnessed an assassination literally *on her lap.* To try and imagine what that did to her psychologically, and add on top of that, how many more loonies would have become obsessed with her, stalked her, harassed her.....Jackie was smart as hell to remain private as much as she possibly could. I have no idea how she copes with all of it in the spotlight.

The interest in traces of Jackie O DNA is downright CREEPY! Yikes! You Stans are beyond help.

Michelle Obama is still very active and she's a former first lady. Michelle's influence is very positive and she's definitely for the youth of America and the world for that matter.

I'm glad she's still very visible, the same with Hillary Clinton Laura Bush is another one who in recent years has made herself more visible as years of seclusion after leaving the white house.

I like the fact that first ladies pop up here and there, and stay active with causes their passionate about.

Even Roslyn Carter is still active building houses with former president Jimmy Carter and their both in their 90s. I meant to mention them in my original post.

R325 I only bring that up because its always cool to have a link to the past. Even if its DNA from a first lady from another era.

Jackie Kennedy with Pete Hamill, journalist/novelist.

Be Best!

Sorry, that's all I gotz

Yeah I wonder how she still copes with it as well.

I remember that after Jackie died, people being very surprised that she had been a lifelong smoker. That fact wasn't well-known during her lifetime.

R334, clearly I meant copeD not copes

If Reagan had not survived his 1981 assassination attempt, would Nancy have become as iconic a figure as Jackie did?

R334 That's a hard NO!

Last Bird had to stay some what in the limelight because she lived iived much longer than Lyndon.

And she lived much longer than Jackie too.

In response to former First Ladies keeping a low profile, I love that Laura Bush calls it "The after-life".

BOOV WAH

Jackie was not private. Laura Bush, yeah, private. Rosslyn Carter, yeah, private. Not Jackie. Jackie did actually like the limelight even while not necessarily liking everything that went along with it.

Jackie couldn't helped being photographed wherever she went. She didn't court publicity, it just followed her. I've always admired how she handled such intrusions of privacy with dignity.

I can only imagine what it would be like to be followed by a pack of photographers everywhere I went, every single day, with them yelling at me to try and get a reaction. I would never be able to bear that, I would go out of my mind. I don't know how Jackie did it day after day.

Fascinating R340!

Cunt r341!

50 + years later people are still curious as to how Jackie and JFK's marriage worked. Like many successful unions it was a compromise. Mostly on her part. They both got what the wanted and needed. Children helped. Hell perhaps they loved each other just enough to make a go of it. Jackie said "Just when we were making it work they pulled the rug out from under me".

"Just when we were making it work they pulled the yacht out from under me".. Mrs Onassis

Jackie made up shit after he died. Like Lillian Hellman and Katherine Hepburn, they tried to convince the world they were loved and distract from their less admirable activities and associations. Jackie was a shrewd liar. Question her and the steel curtains came down.

R345 's "significant others" are a bag of cheetos and her index finger.

Peasants are bores.

R318, thanks for that! I’ve always been intrigued by accents.

Jackie’s accent is almost identical to her cousin Little Edie’s.

Today is the 25th anniversary of Jackie Kennedy's passing.

A 20th century American icon has now been gone for a quarter century. Isn't that something?

America America, oh America.....

Because there will never be justice on stolen land.

Clint Hill has posted a tribute to Jackie to Instagram on the twenty-fifth anniversary of her death:

[quote] Twenty-five years ago, I received the horrible news that Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy had lost her battle with cancer. Sadly, twenty years earlier, my own mother died on this very same day. Two of the most important women in my life, gone.

[quote] I was fortunate to know Mrs. Kennedy on a personal level and I have fond memories of our time together in India, Pakistan, Morocco, Italy, and France, as well as Palm Beach, Hyannis Port, and Middleburg, VA. I can still see the joy on her face as she rode her favorite horse across the Virginia countryside. I can still hear her laughter when she was with her children or when someone regaled a bawdy joke. Yes, she had the grace, dignity, and style that people still write about to this day, but to me, she will always be that woman the public didn’t see. We went through so much together, Mrs. Kennedy and me. More than anyone can imagine. More than anyone can ever know. #MrsKennedyAndMe

R350 That's really sweet.

"More than anyone can ever know."

So they did have an affair?

What an old goat! Such fawning nonsense. Was she that good a fuck, Clint?

he Secretly Serviced her alright

Did Clint have a 3 way with Jackie and Lee?

I wonder if, while in the throes of passion, she still called him "Mr. Hill."

Tonight I had the Clint coctail: 1 part vodka, 2 parts Campari, soda, orange slices. It was a perfect summer drink, not too sweet.

I remember reading a story years ago about Jackie being stalked by the paparazzi. It could have been that Ron Galella guy. He was following her in Central Park as Jackie walked to a tennis court to watch young Caroline play. She was so protective of her children's privacy, she left the court when she saw the photographer so that he would follow HER and not bother Caroline.

^She took off running so that Galella would pursue her as Caroline was upset that he was disrupting her tennis lesson. She ran home, and here's the pic. She had a nice ass....

^^^^

as to Jackies estate..you have to remember the property she owned as well. Her co op brought 9.5 million. Her house on martha s vineyard was very valuable as it sat on a lot of unbuilt land. I think Carolyn is just now selling off some of it. Beachfront. SHe also had a NJ horsefarm. Her estate sale after her death on her possessions alone brought $31 million. After the take of sothebys or christies, whoever did it, carolyn and john received around 120 thousand each. Almost the entire amount went to pay Jackies 50% estate death tax which meant that the poster was correct about the 65 million gross taxable amt as the tax rate would have been 50 percent give or take. So really adding it up a gross of 65 million in assets, 30 million in auctioned item s and 3 very valuable properties, her whole estate was valued well over 120 million. Not a lot comparitively but Jackie lived well on the principal of the 65 million.

Dont forget, her closest friend was Bunny mellon and that meant a private jet at her disposal, vacationing in the carribean on Bunny s estate, summering on cape cod, plus her place on the Vineyard............and most importantly, access to Rockeby farm, the Mellons magnificient horse farm in Virginia. Jackie had access to 3 different hunt clubs thru the mellons.

The one thing nobody has commented on about Janet auccincloss............she was mommie dearest in the extreme. SHe use to beat the crap out of both her kids and then the ones she had with her last husband as well.'

Jackie kept her own kids away from their grandmother unless Jackie was physically present for that very reason.

That’s a bunch of BS r362. Yes, I’m sure Janet used corporal punishment, as was common in those times. but Jackie most definitely did not keep her kids away from Janet.

So if Caroline and John Jr only received $120,000 each from their mothers estate. Than how is Caroline worth as much as $500 million dollars according to tax returns filed in 2013 when she was going through confirmation to become ambassador to China?

Where did all of that money/assets come from? All Caroline has ever done was write a bunch of books. Did they sell that well? Where did all of her wealth come from?

Not her husband's money, but Carolines money? Because I know they didn't turn $120K into hundreds of millions of dollars.

Caroline is the richest Kennedy. JFK Jr and Caroline both had trust funds from JFK. Her brothers trust fund reverted to her when he died. The Kennedy family also had a financial windfall in the 90s when they sold the Merchandise Mart.

You're comparing Jackie O to Melania?? Why?

🐠 Those creepy too widely set eyes. Do they move independantly like a lizard’s?

Jackie voting for McGovern in 1972.

Queen of America

Jack Warnake's son tells of in instance in Hawaii when Jackie snapped on Caroline. Jackie and Warnake were seeing each other. He had a house in Hawaii and she was staying at another house for appearances sake. She was at his house with her kids, and the kids were all playing in one room. Caroline and the other girls found a lip stick and started making one another up with it. She must have been about nine years old at the time. Jackie came into the room and saw all the paint on Caroline's face. She ignited, and began slapping her in the face repeatedly again and again. FUCKED HER UP! The Warnake lad said all the kids couldn't believe what they were seeing. No big deal to me. Moms snap like that sometimes when kids do dumb shit.

^^^ Post traumatic stress disorder reminding her of Marilyn Monroe and all JFK's whores

^ That, OR she was trippin' about the potential issue for cooties, and given JFK's love of strange she knew all about cooties. This was the woman who had her bed sheets changed three times per DAY.

R368, Jackie did not vote for the Democrat - Jimmy Carter - in the next 2 elections.

"She recoiled as if she'd just been bitten by a snake."

Jimmy also planted one on the Queen Mother, who actually took a step back to thwart the attempted smooch but he still got it on her. She was not amused....

I would have spit on the Queen Mum, the useless cuntrag.

R376, *have spat*

That photo of president Carter and the "Royals" look so vintage.

R375, Any other elder gays remember the media making a big deal when Carter changed the part in his hair from one side to the other?

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r378, probably because it is!. You're showing your age.

Carter broke the cardinal rule, you don't touch royalty, let alone kiss them. The Queen Mother was appalled because not only was she royalty, but the last person who had kissed her like that (on the lips) had been her long dead husband. Jackie was appalled because Carter kissed her and she THOUGHT she was royalty.

R381 If by me showing my age you mean that I'm young, than your absolutely right. I wasn't even born yet when Jimmy Carter was president back in the 70s.

I wasn't born until 1988. So yeah, I'm young and that photo does look vintage. I guess because it is.

Vapid bimbo.

r383 but you're not too young not to have learnt proper grammar, 'Then you're' not 'than your'

Anyone else here think Jackie had a good facelift/s. It was subtle but effective, she looked good, but herself, you could hardly tell she had had anything done, she looked great. Apparently she had one in the 70's and another around her 60th birthday. Of course she aged terribly the few years before her death but I imagine that was because she was ill. I wonder who did her surgeries, the best no doubt, and if he's still around, probably not. Lee's face lift was more obvious. Both had their eyes done too.

I bought Janet, Jackie and Lee this week and have just started to read it. Very dishy!

This supposedly went down between Janet and Jackie in the days leading up to her wedding to JFK. Jackie was 24 years old at the time.....

Jackie: "I'm all grown up now, Mummy. You can't tell me what to do anymore!"

Janet: No words are spoken as she steps up to Jackie. ***WAP, WAP!!*** (She slapped her across the face on both cheeks)

....

The real question is: Who is/was more of a whore Jackie on Assistance or Melania?

“All of the sit-ups I did, and I’m dying.”

If she were still alive, she'd be turning 90 on July 28th.

From Jackie as Editor:

Hope Marinetti Jackie's twenty three year old assistant at Doubleday recalled: I walked into her office one day because we had a problem with some royalty check going to one of the authors. Jackie said something like, 'Oh,yeah ,the check is in the mail.' and before I even knew what I was saying, I said ' Oh,yeah ,and I promise I won't cum in your mouth.' She leaned back in her chair and cracked up; she was laughing so hard she almost hit her head on the wall. Jackie said to me ' I underestimated you. You're not just the girl next door,are you?'

Whoever mentioned the Stephan Rowley book "The Editor" up thread, thank you! I'm reading it now. While completely fiction, it's plausible and very fun.

I love her wrinkles. Fillers and Botox would’ve been beneath her.

I'll relate this again: After accepting that her illness was hopeless, Jackie had lunch with a friend at Le Cote Basque. Spying the dessert cart she told her friend "You see those desserts on that cart over there? I'm going to eat each and every one of them, and if anyone tries to stop me, I'm going to stab them in the hand with my fork!" Relates the friend "And she did. She ate every dessert on that cart."

From Jackie as Editor:

Publisher Bill Barry recalls when he and Jackie were taking a shuttle flight to DC. They were running late and were the last ones to board. 'The two of us had to walk the length of the plane to find seats in the back. Of course all the passengers were gawking at her as we passed.Many turned around and stared over the backs of their seats as we taxied down the runway. Jackie leaned over to me and whispered ' Oh Bill, they all know you!'

great sense of humour

Is it true john jr was bi?

Has there ever been confirmation that Jackie watched the Zapruder film?

I watched it every night before bed. I just love revisiting the worst moment of my life.

I took stills of Jackie on the hood of the car from the Zapruder film and made them into Christmas cards to remind the bitch that she tried to bail.

Close friend Diana Vreeland recalls;

"We were coming back from Peking on this interminable flight. Both a bit punchy. Changing planes in San Francisco. Of course it was Halloween. As we walked through the terminal I spy this strapping young fellow costumed in the pink Chanel complete with pillbox hat. Frantic, I try to steer her clear of him. Of course Jackie sees him, sidles up to him, taps his shoulder and says ' Oh I know who you are.'

Just to keep things clear R393, R397, and R403 are from the fictional work JACKIE AS EDITOR. She never really said any of those things and the situations are also totally made up for the novel.

This frigid, dried up twat was one of the shallowest, most self involved imbeciles, ever.

Granted, she had a lot of PTSD to deal with after having her husband's head explode inches from her face. But still, she actually did remarkably little with her life, considering her options.

To clarify for R404 the book those quotes are from is Jackie as Editor by Greg Lawrence (the author worked with JBKO at Doubleday) is a BIOGRAPHY (non fiction )published in 2010 It covers the 20 years she spent as a respected book editor.. All quotes are attributed and cited .You are confusing it with the new NOVEL (fiction) The Editor by Steven Rowley (2019). Similar titles.

JACKIE ONASISH!

JACKIE ONASSISH!

"Jackie Kennedy imitated my voice when she went on TV" - Jayne Mansfield

Liza, you're repeating yourself, again.

I had to R410 because I MISSHPELLED JACKIESH LASHT NAME in my first post!

oh fair enough Liza, that damn encephalitis playing up again.

A Year in Paris That Transformed Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

As a college student, Jacqueline Bouvier spent her junior year in Paris, and the city became one of the greatest influences in her life.

Her Martha's Vineyard estate is on the market for $65M.

Melanoma doesn’t even qualify to be a servant in Jackie’s house.

She really never was on assistance.

Thank you! r414

What kind of mother was Janet to her children by Hugh Auchincloss? (Son Jamie ended up getting arrested for child porn on the same day Teddy Kennedy died.)

Boo Vwah

Her sister Lee's UES apartment remains unsold, even though the realtor dropped the price from $5.7 million to $4.9 million.

JAC-KEE

R420 maybe it’s haunted!

No more love for Jacqueline?!

R119 that's not true! Marilyn Monroe got her teeth fixed as a starlet. Judy Garland wore snap-on veneers. Straight, white teeth were very important indeed. Even then.

She was a lousy, ungrateful bitch.

SHUT UP MOTHER!

“If they are killing Kennedy’s my children will be next. I’m moving to Greece and marrying the swarthy, olive oil skinned, swaggering dude Onassis. Try and catch me on his private island, while I’m getting his hard, smooth thick cock in my mouth. I have servants and all the money anyone could want!”

Happy 90th birthday, Jackie!

Janet was overbearing, a social climber and hid her Jewish ancestry.

The girls were raised wealthy but they didn't have money and were raised to marry for wealth.

In this week's obituary, the agent who was in Dallas is said to have believed that Jackie was not trying to retrieve her husband's skull when she climbed onto the back of the car. I wish it would've said what he thought she was doing.

YAZ troll bump every Jackie thread with the same update.