Dogs in stores and restaurants

Digs are titally an epidemic, fer sher.

I think it’s part of the “emotional support animal” trend. It’s confused the ADA mandate on allowing service animals most places. ADA does NOT apply to emotional support animals, but you’re technically not allowed to ask someone why they have one if he tells you it’s a service animal.

I’d rather see dogs than screaming brats. We went to dinner the other night and sat in the “bar” area. Along came two frauen with their squalling toddlers with a bday cake and gifts. They set up camp in the bar and proceeded to regale us with the sound of their urchins. One little girl had a particularly loud, ear piercing shriek and was having continual tantrums over everything. Every one in the bar was shooting daggers with their eyes.

When I had my first shih tzu (who died in 2017) I'd try to sneak her into the grocery store in her case. I was busted a few times. Ff and I now have 2 (newish) shih tzus that I've had less than 2 years. I tuck one of my dogs into a sling when I grocery shop and nobody says anything. Take them both to the pharmacy next door, nobody says anything. But the biggest change is the subway (NYC). The law apparently is dogs need to be in a bag. This led to a photo essay showing passengers with enormous dogs stuffed into all kinds of bags, but the reality is I never see that. Between 2nd and York on the F train, starting about 3 years ago, I'd see people bringing in their dog - no leash, no carrier, no nothing. Mostly small dogs, but quite a few medium sized dogs. All well-behaved. These appearances mostly stayed downtown, but I figured, what the heck, so when I needed to take one of my dogs to Vetco (Union Square), I loaded them both on the F train with me, no carrier, no sling. Both in my lap. A couple of NYPD came on. I thought, uh oh, here we go. But nope, they gave the dogs kootchy coo, who's a good doggie smiles. Last night a woman had HER shih tzu on the rush hour train. The dog stood between her legs in the corner, like any other passenger (very cute dog).

When I had my first dog, I went to brunch with my nephew in the summer, and the outdoor tables were defined by a fence. I had to keep my dog outside the fence (no problems, our table was right alongside the fence and she lay down about five inches away.) FF ago and in my neighborhood there's a restaurant and a bar, both with outdoor space. The restaurant has unfenced tables, and people have their dogs under the table with them all the time. The bar has fenced in outdoor tables, and people have their dogs inside the fence and under the tables. None of the dogs are badly behaved - you're only going to notice if you are passing by with a dog of your own who notices the other animal nearby.

I think on the one hand dogs are starting to encroach on dog free areas, similar to how it is with Paris (where dogs are welcome almost anywhere). And on the other hand, there's a push back on things like Emotional Support Animals, although I really wonder how much of an epidemic that really is. Whenever I travel I almost never encounter the problems people complain of. Every support animal I've seen has been quiet and well behaved (and most little kids/babies as well).

R2, I don't know about restaurants but airlines, trains and other interstate transport do distinguish among support animals. A regular service dog - for the blind, the disabled - however certified - can, for example, travel on the Queen Mary II without staying in the kennel. No emotional support animals can do that - they have to stay in the kennel and it's 1k or something per dog. Amtrak charges 25.00 per dog (or did a couple of years ago); dog has to be in a carrier at all times. Doesn't recognize emotional support animals but a traditional service dog for the disabled can travel out of a carrier and free of charge like any other service dog.

R3 in bars kids are the worst. The WORST. Because it's not set up for kids, the parents end up camping out. The parents want to relax, and that means not dealing with their kids. A dog, as you say, will just hang out.

One local bar near me forbids kids after 5pm. Needless to say, it's very very popular.

It's attention whoring by proxy. Most "well behaved" dogs have their moments of leg lifting etc. A lot of these dogs are dragged to dog unfriendly places because their owners think they won't run into other dogs there. It's just fucking madness.

A real service dog wears a vest and is very well trained. They are mostly unresponsive to external stimuli, focused on their human and absolutely do not piss or shit unless they know it’s ok to do so. Emotional support animals are just pets who run up to people, tails wagging and are obviously not trained for a specific job.

Sneaking a dead shih tzu into a store is nasty, R4.

what kind of an asshole doesn't like dogs?

I love seeing dogs everywhere. I wish more of them came to stores and restaurants. So much nicer not only than brats, but adults on their shriekerphones. Dogs are better citizens of the public arena than most humans I encounter. They even smell better than a lot of the scented trash I run into every day.

My favorite Instadog, out shopping in NYC.

People who bring their dogs to stores and restaurants are narcissists. And they NEVER ask about you. It's always about them and their dog. ALWAYS.

[quote]A real service dog wears a vest and is very well trained.

You can but vests like that on Ebay and Etsy.

This has nothing to do with liking or not liking a dog R10. I love my dogs, but no, they don't get to come to the grocery store or restaurant with me. I don't want your dogs hair in my food. I don't want your dogs feces in the cart either assholes. There is something emotionally wrong with people if they can't be separated from the dog for a few hours.

There is something gramatically wrong with people if they can't remember their apostrophes when they write about dogs' feces and dogs' hair, r14. And something emotionally wrong with them if they write about dogs' feces in the first place.

R15 - Fuck off. You're mentally unbalanced.

(And you probably fuck your dog too.)

Apostrophe not needed asshole R15.

Go back and read it again, r17.

R10, how stupid are you? People can like dogs and not want them being in stores/restaurants. They drool and shed, etc. This has nothing to do with a fondness for dogs, it's about basic hygiene.

You're not the center of the fucking universe. Adults who do this are fucking children. Every habit must be coddled.

I love dogs - just not in places where I eat or drink in public. When I see someone bringing their dog into a bar or restaurant, etc. I immediately wonder how sad they must be to be that desperate for attention.

What R19 said

You may be able to buy the vest but you can’t fake the training. We have folks check in with “service” dogs. We are not pet friendly but at the same time we are forbidden by the ADA from asking for paperwork or even what their particular training is.

I have a tiny bag of ex-lax in my backpack. If I'm in a restaurant and any fucking dog comes near me, I drop it by them.

Keep your fucking dog - and your fucking kid - away from me when I'm eating or drinking. I'll love your dog if she/he is at home - not in places where food/drinks are served. Freak.

Vile. Animals and children both.

These places need to put their foot down with things like pets, children and cell phones. Trust me, you won't lose business. Most people are sick of entitled assholes, they just feel they can't say anything because these imbeciles will record the "abuse" and start a gofundme.

R4, why do you need to take your shitass, er, I mean shih tsu everywhere?

Only one reason to bring your dog into a store or restaurant - sadness.

ALL DOG OWNERS ARE BI POLAR MENTAL CASES.

R27 - You hit the nail on the head. You too, R28.

Well...the He-Man Dog Haters Society will call its meeting to order posthaste.

I love dogs. Creepy dog owners - not so much.

R28, I can't agree about all. Only the ones who insist on shoving it in people's faces.

I seriously love dogs. I have two myself. But I agree - taking them to stores, bars, or restaurants just seems like a way to get people to fawn over your dog more for your own attention. It’s weird - and gross.

I was at the grocery store last weekend and some young girl had her giant PITT “service dog” there barking and growling at everyone who went by. The dog got particularly riled up by some man’s little shit tzu he thought belonged in the grocery store. You could hear her telling the dog “stop, you’re supposed to be a service dog.”

The stores won’t do anything because they’re terrified of outraged Facebook based uprising.

Landlords are also getting fucked. I work with a few people who pulled the “online ordering of a certificate” shit because their kid “ had to have a dog but they aren’t allowed.” If you have to have a dog, find a pet friendly place and pay the extra fee or buy a house. These certificate assholes are always the ones who’ll let their pet destroy the place and leave the landlord stuck with the bill.

Well, most dogs are cleaner than a lot of humans, so I don't mind it too much. I wish us cat people could take our cats everywhere like dog people do. But, we know why that is. Cats aren't clingy and they don't do well in public spaces.

r30 = bi polar mental case

Except, r36, I'm not either of those things.

I don't mind personally, but heads up if you go to any store run by Muslims. They will kick you out faster than you can say halal. The dog is unclean to them, they don't keep pets, and they consider it an insult of monumental proportions. I go to an Iranian store that sells just about every kind of pottery you could hope for, and a delightful middle aged man runs it who has prevented more than one person from entering with a dog. Insanely mad he becomes!

r37 / BPMC,

[quote]heads up if you go to any store run by Muslims.

Dog-free, but why would I do that in the first place?

Yet I'm not the one destroying the thread with the "Sure, Jan" gif, r39.

r41,

If someone is truly handicapped or sight-impaired then I feel bad for them, but 99% of the assholes in LA who bring their little doggy to Starbucks, the grocery store, the club are straight-up assholes. Not surprised some DL'ers are entitled and bring theirs everywhere.

I wish pit bull attention on you, r42. And if it turns out to be negative attention, oh, well. That's what you draw.

Delta Airlines has banned all emotional support animals, after too many instances of biting and incontinence.

Dogs should stay at home, in a sound proof structure. They are disgusting, needy little monsters.

Really, R20? I only feel that way about people who bring in their open carry weapons.

R34, unruly customers can always be asked to leave or the police called. Cops won't tolerate being growled at by a large dog.

R44 / DOG OBSESSED BI POLAR MENTAL CASE,

R38, you act like you could walk into a Kosher place with your dog. Are you really going to make this thread about bashing Muslims, too? There aren't enough threads for you?

[quote]Dog-free, but why would I do that in the first place?

And like clockwork...

R47 - you are correct, as is R20. Both are true.

R3 has it so right.

The off-leashers - both dog and human - are the worst.

Keep that shit in dog parks, please.

Yes to dogs on leashes. I imagined that was understood.

I don't want to see a dog's ass when I'm eating.

I love seeing dogs in public places, so long as their owners have them under control and clean up after them if there is a mess. I think a leash requirement is reasonable. Dogs add positively to the ambience of whatever environment they are in.

Thank goodness for commonsense individuals like r56.

Wow R57 you have posted at least 10 times in this same thread. I can already picture you now being the poor desperate soul who can’t wait for people to see him and his doggy at Starbucks later. “Are you ready Fluffy? Now put on a good show for daddy at Starbucks today.” Jesus. I’m sorry for what has happened to you.

R57 R54 R44 good lord, we get it sweetheart. You love your doggy and are all alone except for her. Calm down, Mary.

[quote]A real service dog wears a vest and is very well trained.

There are literally hundreds of internet sites that sell those vests to anyone with a credit card. They mean absolutely nothing.

R55, if we were judging which asses would be allowed in restaurants, few humans would be in them either.

R56 = R57 Browser change!

In most states animals, barring legitimate service dogs, are not permitted in food establishments or salons as per state health code. Those pompous a-holes who think the rest of us think their foo-foos sitting in a shopping cart where someone else's raw vegetables will sit are as adorable as they do are the first to start bitching when a steamy pile is left in a hotel elevator. I love dogs at your house, not at Starbucks, not in a hotel lobby, not at Walmart, just at your house. Grow up people!

r62 Nope. You type EST! shrieker.

Put r57 / r64 on ignore. Yes, it's the dog obsessed bi polar mental case / Jan.

R62, try again. I am R56 and can't even see R57, because I had deleted that poster on some other thread.

It’s gross. I have nothing against dogs, but I don’t want one next to me while I’m eating. Ugh.

BPMC in 3..2..1

Exactly, R63.

The same people who think this is fine, will bitch about other entitled people. The majority of people do not want to deal with YOUR pets, YOUR loud talking on a cell, YOUR children, YOUR bullshit.

When you're in a public place, others shouldn't have to deal with your nonsense, because you have options that don't interfere with everyone else. You don't actually have to go buy a $5 cup of coffee. You don't actually have to go to get food when takeout is available. You don't actually have to go to a grocery store. If you can't leave your dog for a little while to go buy coffee or food, then don't leave. Buy a machine, get your ass on grubhub and order from Fresh Direct.

Girls, girls! You’re all retarded.

R70, it's DL. I've seen caftans and earrings flying over mayo brands. This is what we do.

R61, at least they're covered. But you have a point in that some faces look as bad or worse than a dog's ass.

I love dogs in (Vietnamese) restaurant.

[quote]You may be able to buy the vest but you can’t fake the training. We have folks check in with “service” dogs. We are not pet friendly but at the same time we are forbidden by the ADA from asking for paperwork or even what their particular training is.

I have a friend who is an occupational therapist who works with disabled people. She has spent a lot of time over the years at training facilities for service dogs. She is good at spotting the fake service dogs in public. For a couple of years she was dating a retail pharmacist who worked in a grocery store. My friend would sometimes meet her ex girlfriend on their lunch hours at the grocery store and they would eat lunch outside on tables near the entrance. One day, another store employee joined them and a customer was walking near the entrance with small dog wearing a service dog vest. The dog stopped walking and the customer started to drag the dog with the leash. My friend told her ex and the employee that the dog wasn't service trained. The employee told my friend that he had see that same woman drag the dog a few times in the store and that he never believed it was a service dog.

I read something like R74 and it makes me sick how people take advantage of services that were only meant for certain people. It's also nice when they get caught, like when I was grocery shopping on the weekend and the parking lot is packed. Some asshole parked in a disabled spot thinking they'd get away with it. Announcement comes on mentioning the car/plate number and what was great was the announcer did it a second time and only then decided to mention: "Your car is being towed."

One of the many things we love about Paris is that dogs are allowed everywhere - restaurants, supermarkets, we love it!

Guess what, R63? Kids in diapers that could become dirty at any second are also sitting in those carts.

I always use the small carts for that reason, r77. Well, that plus I don't buy a lot at once the way the suburbanites do.

You most certainly can say something to the dog dragger at a restaurant or a supermarket.

Management cannot but you can as a customer. And I do. If I’m tired and want to get home, I just give them the stink eye, deluxe version.

If I’m feeling my oats, I lay into them in no uncertain terms.

I grew up on a farm and love animals, but these people act like they’re married to their stupid fucking dogs. I agree, there are more like mental cases than normal functioning adults.

I demand entry for my emotional support horse, Clyde S. Dale, to your establishment, or I shall raise hell across the social media's!

R10 Assholes who don't like animals shit everywhere. Assholes who don't like animal fur in their food.

How about knocking off your millennial bullshit, you over indulged irresponsible sack of shit. Adults do not inflect their pets and children without consent. They're exactly like surprise anal.

I love my dog, who is a trained and registered therapy dog (she works with kids and the elderly, she is not a service dog) and whenever possible we take her with us to places like hardware stores, restaurants with outdoor seating, and other dog friendly places (I do not presume to enter grocery stores). Part of being a successful therapy animal is being comfortable with new locations, greeting strangers, and being calm in any situation. Having said that, I've seen many people bring in dogs that are obviously untrained and unsocialized under the guise of being a service dog and it drives me crazy. Bitch, if that is a service dog, it wouldn't be pissing on the floor and growling at people. The worst one I saw was a pit puppy at Costco, and his white trash owner was trying to wrangle her cart and her crazy dog while yelling at another customer who gave her the stink eye that "This is a service dog, he's allowed in here!" Fucking ruining public opinion of dogs in public places for those of us who have dogs with actual training, a friendly demeanor, and a job to do.

[quote]Assholes who don't like animals shit everywhere.

Why we need proper punctuation.

R63 has it right on the money. There are clear distinctions between Service dogs and Emotional Support dogs, the latter of which is being abused horrendously. I live in Arizona, where it is Senior Citizen Central, and every day some Individual is bringing their precious Foo- Foo into their grocey cart basket. If you are so emotionally f* cked up that you require a Tea Cup Poodle to be within a yard of you at all times, then take .5 of Klonopin 3x a day. I do not say this lightly- I have a child with severe Autism, who before being properly medicated, would scream loudly 12 hrs a day and run- off at the slightest loud noise or over-stimulation. I would not dream of imposing a dirty, un-clean, or- let's be real, innapropriatele sized "emotional support" animal around other people's CLEAN FOOD unless it was medically indicated and properly trained. They walk in shit. They lick their own ( and other dog' genitals) . This topic makes me so mad. As a matter of fact, BECAUSE I loved my son, I only would take him at intervals of 10 mins max, until he learned/ had been stabilized to handle the stimuli. Thank God AZ has passed some legislation lately to deal with this shit.

Just wait - now you can claim an emotional support animal. I'm serious. Look as someone who love cats and dogs I would never think of taking a dog into a store or restaurant unless said store or restaurant caters to the canines as well as humans.

I live in Paris. Many stores (supermarkets, bakery, post office) will have an attachment at the entrance for a dog leash. Opticians, bookstores, trains, metro - dogs come in. Cafe/restaurant- ok outside, ask before inside. Buses - in a carrier.

The only issues come from middle aged spinsters who either want to interact with the dog while he is alone, or to give unsolicited advice.

Honestly, I feel really sorry for any animal pressed into service, trained or not. They don’t ask to go out in public. They didn’t ask for a job. They don’t ask to be someone’s primary emotional support. I’m sure they’d rather be in a forest or field or whatever, just running around and doing their own thing.

It's Poo Shoes, R66. Blocked her shit on another thread. She is all over the site lately like measles. Wish we could vaccinate the DL against it.

I am not "Poo Shoes," r88. You people get more fantastical, and more illogical, every day.

Yes, you are, r89 / Jan / Dog obsessed bi polar mental case.

Suit yourself, r90.

I witnessed the drama caused when two rodent-on-a-rope type toy dogs began attacking each other on an outdoor patio.

One's leash was put under the table leg and it laid down there. The other one was just walked in by its frau. The little beast under the table jumped up, pulled the table with it, spilling the beverages, as it lunged toward the bigger one,

Then the bigger one, also on leash, began snarling and almost pulled its frau down. A server nearly got tangled in the leashes, but at least she wasn't carrying anything.

The frau with the bigger dog was able to pull hers back and left the patio in major embarrassment. As you might expect, the bitch at the table demanded replacement beverages immediately while her pwecious was still yapping. She also snapped fingers at the poor server to bring a bowl of cold water to calm her fuckin dog down.

The server walked away, and the bitch continued to bitch. And the dog kept yapping.

People, patio seating at non-pet places is not an open door for your temperamental animals.

Be considerate of others.

People who feel entitled to bring their dogs everywhere consider Paris Hilton a role model and think the Legally Blonde movies are documentaries.

We gave our schnauzer extra kisses and hugs this morning!

[quote]when two rodent-on-a-rope type toy dogs

Is this trademarked? Can I use it?

Hilarious!

Fuck these assholes and their four-legged allergens. (Not applicable to trained service animals).

The really worst is dogs in gay bars.

They may not be attractive to you, R97, but that’s really no reason to call them dogs. There’s a lid for every pot.

R98, are you serious? If so, you make me remember when it used to be fun to be gay. IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE!

[quote]IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE!

WHEN DID JOKES STOP HAVING TO BE FUNNY?

R100...never mind.

R99, wow.

[quote]IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE!

Are you that daft?

I kind of like seeing a dog where you wouldn't expect to see one. It's a nice surprise as long as the dog is well behaved and not bothering anyone.

Lord, give me the strength.

- R97 and R99

Oh, poor you, R104.

I guess this is a symptom of how people are treating their pets almost literally like children these days.

(But I'd rather be around dogs than kids, I have to admit.)

That was funny, R105.

R104 Et al.