Robert Kraft Arrest Warrant Issued in Prostitution Sting

Make some popcorn and get comfortable, CNBC is saying this is a 6 month investigation and Robert Kraft is one of more than 200 people caught up in this.

But I need my macaroni & cheese.

The Patriot Way!

and guess what? He's friends with Trump!

[quote]The Patriot Way!

They keep getting caught deflating balls, don't they?

It will be interesting to see who in the entertainment biz is caught up in this...if someone like him was caught, I'd imagine there has to be some Hollywood execs as well

An awful lot of shit goes on in Florida....especially lately.....its like a magnet for scum and high corruption. Is Pam Bondi still AG ?

Huh? He bought apiece of ass from a willing seller. Unless said seller is underage, what’s the big deal?

Heh, heh. They said he solicited prostitution at a “day” spa, but I heard it at first as a “gay” spa. Guess not.

Last time I checked, prostitution was still illegal....even if both are willing participants or not

R8, MSNB is alleging these women weren't willing. They were traffiked into "spas" where they ate, slept and were kept hidden.

Sad!

He's innocent (just like we are).

Fight the haters, Mr. Kraft -- you inspire us!

Yeah, unless the prostitute is an underage girl or a male of any age I don’t see why this is newsworthy.

His new girlfriend wasn’t enough? What’s the point of dating a girl young enough to be your granddaughter if she’s not giving up the pussy regularly?

Thank you, Mr. Kraft

Look at the body language on that pix.

I don’t know why r14 has to breathe? Same with r8!

[QUOTE]Yeah, unless the prostitute is an underage girl or a male of any age I don’t see why this is newsworthy.

How about a woman of age who’s been forced to work in the sex industry since she was brought to this country? You think every prostitute is just merrily involved in the business? Have you heard of sex trafficking? This is precisely why you don’t get involved in that shit.

I had the same reaction, R14. As long as they're not sex slaves who are there against their will and/or underage, who gives a shit if some old fart paid for sex?

And I'm no fan whatsoever of Robert Kraft's politics. In fact, I hate his guts for them, but this is bullshit if what I mentioned above wasn't the case.

Some of the women involved:

Thoughts and prayers!

Wow, and I was going to guess that Eastern European chicks were his preference, like his orange, fat fuckhead buddy.

Anyone who lives in NYC knows these "spas" are constantly popping up in all of the boroughs. They busted a couple, but I think it's a losing battle.

[QUOTE]As long as they're not sex slaves who are there against their will

And how do you know they weren’t? How does anyone ever know? Like Bob Kraft had some private detectives do a background check before he got his blowjob? He didn’t know how that girl or woman ended up there and he didn’t care. He just wanted to get his rocks off.

R8, the human trafficking part might be a big deal, you think?

So gross.

The sex trafficking is a big deal, but were the "Johns" aware that these ladies weren't just regular prostitutes? Seems like a lot of effort to prosecute the 100 Johns they've identified if they were ignorant.

If it's FL law enforcement/agents, then probably a lot of former NYers.

So clearly: Angry Jets Fans.

Men like him who have young beautiful girlfriends and/or wives enjoy the company of whores usually because the whores will do things their girlfriends and wives won't. This old coot is probably a freak and I don't even want to know what kind of perversions he's into.

I read they were forced to cook meals on a camp stove outside the building, slept on floors, etc. Sure sounds like they were trafficked. He chose to go to a cheap rub and tug in Florida that employed all Asian ladies, high chance they were being trafficked and the Johns had to suspect it at least a little.

Well, that might explain it R28; I was thinking how strange it was that a guy that owns the Superbowl Champs couldn't get women to fuck him for free. Just say "I could get you Tom Brady's autograph" and it's off to the races. Kind of depressing that the old fart still has to pay...

Let's be honest, guys who look like him have to pay to get women to do things they'd do for free with Tom Brady. That's what it has always come down to.

[QUOTE]Men like him who have young beautiful girlfriends and/or wives enjoy the company of whores usually because the whores will do things their girlfriends and wives won't.

I thought you get young beautiful girlfriends because they do things the wives won’t?

R28 Yep and probably explains why the world's richest man, Bezos, cheated with a well worn ho with plastic titties

This is why you only stick with the freelancers. None of that trafficking to worry about.

[quote]I thought you get young beautiful girlfriends because they do things the wives won’t?

Well, in this case, the only thing the girlfriend had to do was be alive.

R31, he's rich. Rich guys don't have a problem getting women.

You’d think he could afford high-end escorts at least. Or maybe low-end hookers is part of the thrill for him?

Most straight men who like sleazy sex don't want it from their wives. They want their wives to be squeaky clean, like the vision they had of their mothers. They don't want to look at a wife every day they know is a pig in the bed every night.

Who cares? They're making it sound like he headed up a trafficking ring. I'm encouraged to know he still has cravings at his age. Prostitution should be legal along with marijuana. That said, FUCK THE PATRIOTS!

But that's my point, R36. He needs to PAY one way or the other to have women do things to him that Tom Brady could get for free (ie., without any kind of commitment or having to buy gifts).

He probably has an Asian fetish

I'm a bit disappointed. I thought he was running a prostitution ring as in pimping out the Patriots team players to the rich and famous.

[quote]Let's be honest, guys who look like him have to pay to get women to do things they'd do for free with Tom Brady.

I'm sure Tom will have to pay when he's 77, too.

R15’s photo made me gag a little.

R15 because she wouldn't tolerate being treated like a sex slave. For that, you have to grab an unsuspecting girl/woman off the street...

Tom is already paying. Believe.

R15, remember, for some men, it is all about humiliating and degrading their victims. Like with Bryan Singer, Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein.

R43, but Kraft was never a looker:

The trophy wife is usually just to show off. Those kinky fuckers do the really smutty stuff with the help or the mistress.

That third Asian chick looks like a make-up free Lucy Yang from local ABC 7 in NY

If I’m a prostitute who gets busted I’m going to make up a story saying I am a trafficked sex slave. It would be stupid not to.

It's Pervy Old Man Friday. Robert Kraft, Dr. Keith Ablow. Who's next? Shit happens in threes, right?

R51 Kraft could have gotten great looking high-priced escorts. Instead, it looks like he focused on targeting illegal aliens who can't run to the police.

R50...aw, I used to work at the hospital where Lucy Yang’s father was a doctor. He was such a nice man.

(And she looks EXACTLY like him)

Well I didn't mean anything by it, R54! Nothing personal against her. Just immediately saw a bit of a resemblance.

Is he still alive?

[quote]Seems like a lot of effort to prosecute the 100 Johns they've identified if they were ignorant.

One of the reasons not to engage in prostitution, aside from it being illegal, is that you can't know if the woman you're paying to have sex with you is a victim of sex trafficking. And if she is, you're complicit, I don't care how "ignorant" you are.

That's how the law works.

I don’t know if he is still alive, I haven’t worked/lived there for years. But he was one of the few nice & competent ones. It was always nice to see him come into the nursing station, whereas most other drs made us shudder.

(Consider it was the same hospital Dr Robert Reza worked at — who was very competent, but crazy as a bed bug)

Couldn't happen to a bigger d-bag Trump supporter- I'm giddy!

WTF couldn't he just woo some desperate wanna be model/actress, or someone desperate to get American citizenship, like Dump did? I so hope he wanted tied up and spanked or that he liked to wear heels and a gag ball. And that it all goes public.

Pretty crazy that prostitution is illegal in most of the US.

Europe does still have a backward attitude towards women unfortunately.

Adam Schefter just said on SportsCenter that a source told him Kraft is "not the biggest name" caught up in this sting.

R62 - Please be Brady, please be Brady. Would love to see Giselle's man face of disappointment.

Michael Avenatti, 15 minutes ago:

It’s over.

Didn't Countess Luann get arrested in Jupiter? I think Ramona hangs out there too. There are many thirsty divorcees who would've given mega rich Kraft a rub and tug. Sonja Morgan definitely would. Being a MAGAt, I'd bet he gets off on exploiting illegal immigrants.

Did he say if/when will learn the other name(s) R62?

[quote]Did he say if/when will learn the other name(s)?

No.

“I’m also told that Robert Kraft is not the biggest name involved down there in South Florida,” Schefter said.

The Jupiter/Palm Beach area is replete with celebrities and deep pockets. Kraft is certainly a well-known figure so the list of potential bigger fish is somewhat limited.

Wait, there is a human trafficking element to this...

I think Avenatti is referring to R Kelly, right? Avenatti just announced that R Kelly paid a witness to lie on the stand.

Was hoping his "it's over" referred to our 2+ year long national nightmare. My biggest dream is that Dumpster Fire is in on this illegal immigrant prostitution ring. Because he so cares about human trafficking that he had to build the wall.

What is it with this team? Why are their balls always in the news?

Tiger Woods has a home in Jupiter, FL.

77 and the old fucker can still get it up, God bless him!

Fuck off r60.

Buying & selling people is SLAVERY

I wanna know who the other names are!

R60, as R74 stated - it would be the human trafficking part that is the bigger issue, not paying for sex.

Distance from Jupiter to Mar-a-Lago: 20 miles.

Tiger Woods is prob so in on this. Trafficked prostitutes are prob hotter than Perkins hostesses.

I doubt Tiger Woods was in on it for two reasons: He's still not winning (he wins when he gets tons of pussy) and second, he has a type and Asian (along with black) isn't his thing.

The current occupant of the White House is a bit obsessed with human trafficking and duct tape and all.

Tiger Woods only fucks white women.

R79 As pointed out above, this about hidden, kinky stuff with women who can't run to the police. Of course, they still have wives, girlfriends and mistresses. That's a different thing.

Expose them all.

Fuck them all.

Tiger would not fuck those women with YOUR dick.

He likes them one type: the type who in no way reminds him of his mother or has the skin tome of his late father.

Can you even imagine the number of fixers, high priced lawyers, and political bagmen the Kraft Organization will bring to bear against the Jupiter Police Department in the next few days?

Just think how many NFL players live in Florida during the off season--they have an organization in place that's experienced in dealing with much, much worse than this on a regular basis.

Ewwwww, the Sheriff's office said women's hygiene "was minimal at best." They probably weren't bathing regularly, I can't imagine how it stunk in there.

TIger only bangs white blonde women

I wanna vomit, R86. Man, he must be into some nasty shit if he didn't even require these women be properly bathed.

If it's not Dump, I'd FLOVE it if it were Don Jr. People online pointing out that Mar A Lago is like 20 minutes away from this stuff.

you'd think with all his money he wouldn't have to get his hands dirty, so to speak

Rich, powerful men are out of control. They've always been, but now we know about it. So many perverts.

Actually, it's all heterosexual men. Trump has only made it worse, now that they think they can do anything they want and get away with and still be elected to the highest office in the land. There are no rules anymore for men. Even churches are excusing their behavior.

#BeBest

Is it possible that the bigger name is Trump?

R93 - that's the dream. Wouldn't shock me in the slightest. He's clearly had experience paying for sex in the past. And he's a fan of putting immigrants to work so he can save a buck.

R84, maybe, but I wouldn't have thought Kraft would be interested in those women either after seeing the picture of his blonde Barbie girlfriend at R15.

[quote]Rich, powerful men are out of control. They've always been, but now we know about it. So many perverts.

And every single one uglier than the next.

I pray for those Asian women that Sheldon Adelson isn't on the list.

He broke up with that blonde woman a few years ago, no-one knew but she was mysteriously pregnant and it was made clear the baby was not his.

Martin County Sheriff says the women involved in human trafficking ring were given no days off. They averaged about 1,500 men a year.

^ some people have all the luck...

That's Rush Limbaugh's neck of the woods, too.

The Jeffrey Epstein case is based around there as well.

Meanwhile, Chicago police are going to press charges against R. Kelly this afternoon. Bad day for women-abusers.

It's Sex Crimes Friday!

Good lord, R98 four men a day on average.

Four old, fat, sweaty, fishbelly-white losers sliming through you every single day. BLECHHHH.

Those are the workers in danger of going postal.

This isn't just Jupiter, this investigation involves numerous massage parlors going clear up to Orlando. No telling who they've caught in the net.

R52 Here’s your #3: R KELLY

[quote]^ some people have all the luck...

If most looked like Kraft, would you really consider that luck?

The oldest customer on list was born in 1932!!! Sheldon Adelson was born in 1933. These poor women.

[quote]That's Rush Limbaugh's neck of the woods, too.

I saw nothing in the article about Dominican boys.

Where are you getting that information, R107?

The Boston Globe says Jupiter Police Chief Daniel J. Kerr said there was video evidence for “all the individuals being charged...The video that we obtained shows the act that took place. On every gentleman . . . the act that took place is recorded on that video.”

Can’t wait to see some of that. Also, Kerr said police entered Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter on Tuesday and arrested Billy Wang, 40.

R108, I was told he hired those boys to drain his cysts.

Here's my question: ESPN said someone more famous than Kraft was on the list and they won't give a name? So why is Kraft's name out there, but this other person cannot be named?

The women were sex slaves:

Kraft, who is worth an estimated $6.6 billion, was not in custody, but an arrest warrant will be issued for him charging him with two counts of soliciting.

Kraft is accused of soliciting prostitution at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, where an investigation had found women were being held there in "sexual servitude."

Many of the woman at the spa were from China, and were not allowed to leave the premises, police said, according to the TCPalm.com news site. Police have already arrested multiple people accused of being involved in the business.

BTW- the spa is 20 miles north of Mar-a-Lago.

R109 Adam Schefter. My guess is he got a look at the arrest list which is why he knows about "bigger fish" and the DOBs of the johns.

Criminal Charges Aren’t the Only Problems Robert Kraft Has to Worry About After Prostitution Bust

The man is worth more than $6 billion and he’s getting $79 handjobs in a strip mall? WTF!?

Well, Republicans cannot bear to share any of their wealth with the common folk, especially immigrants.

There is a difference between prostitution and this which is sexual slavery. I don't think Kraft is going to get off as easy as the article at R115 suggests. I think he'll lose the team.

Kraft is somewhat friendly with Putin too after Putin walked off with one of Kraft's Super Bowl rings. This story really does have everything.

Right?? This is a ‘massage parlor’ in a seedy low rent strip mall. And billionaire Kraft was a repeat customer, rolling up in his chauffeur driven limo.

The cops have videotapes of “the ACTS.”

How long until Kraft’s sex tape leaks?

He's got the rings. Get rid of the team. He should go buy a mansion in Bangkok, acquire a new team (of Asian honies) and enjoy retirement. That is, if he isn't required to give up his passport.

It's not Trump Senior anyway - the Secret Service wouldn't let him in there and that's one time when he couldn't get his way - the motorcade would look a bit conspicuous idling in a strip mall parking lot.

But who is a bigger name than the owner of an NFL team? Any Kennedy's in residence in So. Florida at this time of year? Epstein's thing is young and fresh, not Asian and shopworn. Dershowitz lives in Miami now. Prince Andrew? If it's massage parlors from there to Orlando, it could be anyone, really - Florida's busy in the winter.

It's almost as if Kraft wanted to get caught. Not being very discreet driving up in a limo.

The Florida Day Spa at the Center of Robert Kraft Prostitution Scandal Gets Wrecked on Yelp

Kraft's son Jonathan has been heavily involved in managing the team for years and is no doubt ready to take over in the unlikely event that the league would attempt to force Robert out for a misdemeanor.

As is common the police are attempting to try him in the news with inflated tales of 'sex slaves' . At the end of the day they're going to have to prove all of that in court.

A sports reporter is saying he's been told that Kraft is "not the biggest name" associated with the sting.

Oh, really?

r126...THEY HAVE TAPES. FFS.

Schefter also said they only saw 25 names today but there are 175 more names coming. 175! More big fish coming one might guess. I pity the law enforcement folks that had to watch those tapes.

Bezos' dick pic, Kraft's happy ending video....what a time to be alive!

Don’t forget R Kelly’s sex tapes. CNN’s reporter covering this has seen them.

I'll take a pass on seeing R Kelly's underage sex tapes

Bigger name is subjective. I would argue that Tiger Woods is a "bigger" name than Bob Kraft even though Kraft is richer. Everyone in the world knows the name Tiger Woods---thy sure as hell do not recognize the name Robert Kraft.

Naturally I am not suggesting the bigger name IS Woods. I am quite sure it is not. But using that formula for determining what "bigger" name means, open the door to many celebs who are not billionaires.

Stop saying that Mar a Lago is a mere 20 miles away as if that means shit. If I listed every famous name who has residences here in Martin and Palm Beach counties your jaws would all be on the floor. And trust me of this: some rather significant and highly revered Democrats are on that list.

Did anyone stop and think that maybe the women like being sex trafficking victims? Who's to say? America is so backward with its stupid laws, not like Europe, which is sophisticated and full of fancy people and things.

HIs girlfriend at R15 had no idea he was rich, she just thought he was so funny & hot!

Isn’t A Rod around there?

He's a close friend of the President, so how could this be true?

Mar-a-Lago is within 20 miles of the international sex trafficking ring?

My guess is there are many retired, famous athletes on that johns list. Many of them live in Florida

This is about the Super Bowl and being too successful if you're not from New England.

Trump Reacts to News of Longtime Pal Robert Kraft Being Charged with Soliciting Prostitution: ‘It’s Very Sad’

If the legal establishment is so concerned for these women then why was it necessary to wait until they had videotape of 175 or more sexual acts before they 'rescued' the women involved ? Five wasn't enough, or 50, or 100 ? What were they waiting for ?

Hopefully, this farce is going to renew the debate to allow for legal prostitution, with legal and health services available to the men and women involved.

R142, weirdo defending sex slavery

R142 Kraft ain't interested in his prey having legal and health services available. He and his like want the grimy, dim backrooms with ladies who are not allowed to bathe, use a bathroom or go outside.

He's losing the team. His son is losing the team. That family is out of the NFL.

77 years old and still hitting it! (Or at least trying to!)

Rich people need a hot young thing to show off r15, regardless of where they get the sex.

R143. Shortsighted weirdo hoping to preserve the current system where those practicing the world's oldest profession are subject to ruthless exploitation from traffickers, hostile customers, police and the news media.

"I was thinking how strange it was that a guy that owns the Superbowl Champs couldn't get women to fuck him for free."

Is it really a shock to you that many straight men ENJOY degrading women, seeing as there is a multi-billion-dollar industry built around just that?

Does Burt Reynolds still live in Jupiter?

I had no idea who he was ...may he burn in hell along with Trump, the lying lunatic.

Pam Bonding is a racist and a low life sleaze bag who likes to rub up against nasty dirty criminals, like Epstein, Craft and Trump.

r150,...yes rose, If hell is Jupiter FL.

Apparently, Kraft is not the biggest name involved in the prostitution ring. I want names.

I won't straight up clown anyone commenting as to the likelihood of the Kraft Family losing the Patriots franchise, because this isn't Barstool or Bleacher where people understand what they are speaking about. DL isn't exactly a hotbed of NFL knowledge.

So I will just lay it out: Robert Kraft is the most beloved of all NFL owners and he is the second most "famous" to Jerry Jones. The entire NFL Hall of Fame WORSHIPS Kraft like the rich granddaddy they never had. Black activist former players, who would gladly spit on Trump in public, absolutely sing Kraft's praises. The other owners look up to him.

So who in the blue hell is going to be calling for him to sell the franchise? This is not at all like the case of the racist Panthers owner. Everyone was calling for his ouster.

The Kraft Family will be owning the Patriots when all of us are dead and gone. Believe dat.

R148 those like Kraft don't want "legal" prostitutes. You can legalize it all you want. It still won't stop people like Kraft who will continue to create a market for sex slaves.

Trump is getting ready to pardon him

r155 if you pan out a bit and look at the origins of this, it goes way, way bigger than Kraft. This is why I think he might have to "step down", i.e. relinquish the title and let Jonathan run the DTD. A lot of people will want it to go away quickly, and he might have to take one for the team, so to speak.

This is a massive investigation that involves China and probably Chinese organized crime, which at a high enough level is essentially the Party/Government. It also happened in Fla, which is not a co-incidence.

That's right. They said it involves Florida, New York and China and that these women were unwilling participants living in very poor conditions. Not a bunch of partying blonde bimbos.

What are the odds Bill Clinton's name shows? At one time, he was hanging out in Las Vegas and the word on the street was that he had a "friend" or ten there.

R157 State crime and a misdemeanor at that. The orange one is powerless here. The President of the United States has the power to pardon those convicted of crimes against the United States. Not for acts that are violations of state law.

Under Article II, Section 2, the United States Constitution states that the President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

Sorry for being so shallow, but men! These women look rough! I mean it's obviously horrific and degrading for these poor women to be forced to have sex with these assholes, but for billionaires, who could afford to get peed on by Victoria's Secret models (if that's their kink), to use the service of such a bottom of the barrel type of establishment? Talk about degrading yourself.

Further proof that money can't buy class.

R155 thinks barstool sports and bleacher report are hotbeds of NFL knowledge - LOL!

R162 Problem is peeing on Victoria Secret models is not their kink. Their kink involves degrading poor, foreign, non-English speaking women lured in illegally from other countries.

Some of these rich guys just want to take a dump on a hot chick’s face. They want to pay them back for all those years when they couldn’t even dream of talking to a pretty girl.

Jupiter just hasn't been the same since the Mr. Burt Reynolds Dinner Theatre closed.

R165: Are you Helen Keller? Those are not "hot chicks" by anyone's definition.

R165, yeah, they look like someone's mom.

[quote] Problem is peeing on Victoria Secret models is not their kink.

In my scenario it's the models who are doing the peeing. And again, if they are doing this to humiliate these foreign women they humiliate themselves as well (if not even more). Especially by getting caught.

R169, first, these guys like Weinstein, R. Kelley, Kraft, potentially Epstein & his many associates, plus many others, are only getting "caught" now because the culture has changed recently. In the past, they had no reason to fear ever getting caught because the police and government were firmly on their side.

Second, someone like Kraft can't humiliate himself. Do you think people like Weinstein or Spacey feel "embarrassment"? No. Maybe anger because other people are daring to call them out, but not embarrassment.

In the past, I think this would have been portrayed as simple prostitution. The entrapment and enslavement of these women in deplorable conditions would have been ignored.

Let the Monster that is Jeffrey Epstein be similarly pilloried and reviled!

Darren Criss' recent wedding was pre-emptive damage control.

Prostitution whores!

I honestly cannot believe so many men were willing to pay $79 for a rub and tug from unattractive middle aged Asian women. I thought only young hot women were trafficked for this sort of thing.

Only if that is the type the client is interested in R174.

N174 The mugshots are of women who ran the sex-trafficking massage parlor, they're no the women who were held against their will

r170 they are getting "caught" because this specific investigation is political & high level. It really has nothing to do with sex trafficking per se. How long do you think this has been going on? Why now--because it is a part of the larger new Cold War, and the war against Trump. The rank and file LEOs and civil servants are only too happy to investigate anything in Trump's orbit.

On a larger scale, this is just smoke and mirrors to make the man in the street think the mighty are falling. The real criminals protected themselves years ago when rumblings first started about prominent sex rings. There is still a risk of exposure, but it's not big-barring a Black Swan event.

R176 just because women may have been running the parlor that doesn't mean there weren't other women being forced to do sex work in the parlor against their will. Women are often used to lure other women. Ask Harvey Weinstein.

Andrew Ackerman (WSJ) "The women, who were from China, were working and living in the parlors, Mr. Snyder said, and had no access to transportation and moved from location to location while averaging eight clients per day."

Glen Dixon The police say “women, many of them from China, lived inside [the parlor] & were not permitted to leave.”

‘So, yeah: Save the 8-grade jokes. This is not abt an old man getting a thrill. It’s abt the systematic, intentional destruction of lives 4 profit.’

Tricia Romano It's possible that Robert Kraft didn't know the women were trafficked, but when all the women are from China, you have to wonder what is really going on. It's not like a bunch of grown-up American women were at this parlor.

Russell Arch While I appreciate the #RobertKraft “deflating balls” jokes. It should be mentioned that this is truly a DARK story of women, who were trafficked from China, & essentially held hostage in these parlors.

Scully Update "The women, all from China, were coerced into “graphic sexual activity, very risky behavior.” They were given no days off, forced to service an estimated 1,500 men a year."

[quote]Tricia Romano It's possible that Robert Kraft didn't know the women were trafficked, but when all the women are from China, you have to wonder what is really going on. It's not like a bunch of grown-up American women were at this parlor.

That is low key, racist bullshit. First, like Kraft would be checking their papers. Second, what is the physical difference between "American" women of Chinese descent and "Chinese" who have been trafficked from China?

This is a horrible story, but Kraft is not the real villain here. Not excusing the behaviour, of course but perspective, people. Jesus.

Here's an article that tells the bigger story. Has lists of some of those arrested. Ten massage parlors were raided.

Girls were promised good jobs while in China, flew to NYC, passports taken and transported to Florida. They lived in the brothels, forced to prostitute themselves. Could not speak English.

[quote] This is a horrible story, but Kraft is not the real villain here. Not excusing the behaviour, of course but perspective, people. Jesus.

If no one patronizes these traffickers, they don't traffic. Asshole.

I'm surprised that Trump didn't say he didn't know Kraft.

R179, please! Kraft, a BILLIONAIRE, was going into these dingy, strip mall parlors where these desperate women who couldn't speak English were being caged and forced to service up to 8 men a day. That is what that writer is talking about but you are trying to deflect by accusing them of racism.

R179 asks what is the physical difference between "American" women of Chinese descent and "Chinese" who have been trafficked from China?

The difference is what one looks like after being kept inside a dirty parlor for a year and being forced to service up to 8 men a day with no condoms being used.

The news said just one of these brothels made on average $1 million every 6 weeks.

Jerry Jones (owner of Dallas Cowboys) hates Robert Kraft and the Patriots with the heat of a thousand suns. Now Jerry Jones is a scum bag himself. But he will go after Kraft and his ownership bigtime.

In addition to being a creep, the guy seems like a real cheapskate.

If he wanted an attractive Asian that would do very kinky, even degrading, things and never discuss it, he could certainly get that and easily afford it. If it's the sex slave aspect that turns him on, unfortunately he could've gone overseas and done literally anything he wanted to one for the right price. A billionaire driving up to a parlor in a limo and spending time with $70/hour girls in Florida seems like a fool.

r181 it's not that simple. There are all kinds of human trafficking, and it's not always easy to tell. If there's no demand for sex workers, these people will just create one or use these women for something else. Modern day slavery is a lot bigger than the sex trade. I used to think in simple "supply & demand" terms until I read up on it.

r183 can you not hold two thoughts in your head at once? Both are possible.

r187 you guys don't get it. These are people who do not think like 'normal' people do. They don't operate by the same rules, and everything has a price. Everyone who is around them is probably only around them for influence/money, even their families. They are warped by that at an early age. This is like ordering fast food to them. You could easily say-well, they're billionaires, they have their own private chef, etc. why are they at McDonalds? Some people just want a Big Mac. They don't think that these are human beings, and in their world, everyone has a price. I'm not excusing it, but there seem to be a lot of posts on here that expect them to be only into high end, high class escorts.

I guess he is having a string of bad luck....not only charged for a crime, but its also a State case so his friend the Illegitimate president cant pardon him. HA.

R188 both are "possible" but there is no racism by the writer in this case. Those are also 2 thoughts that can be held in one's head.

Who owns all these parlors? Like the one at R185 that is generating 1 million dollars in a 6-week time period?

r191 if it's linked to Chinese organized crime, it would effectively be the Chinese government, with various middlemen.

This old coot can dial a high-end madam and get prime A ass who will fulfill his every fantasy and he goes for street trade? Serves him right. What? Did he want to keep his socks on?

R188, you're right, not coming from such wealth, the feeling of invincibility is too hard for me to understand, I guess. No matter how evil/twisted the guy's fetish or the kind of lady he's into, there are a lot safer ways for a rich man to indulge than to do this. Obviously he thought he didn't need to careful.

Years ago when I lived on the Lower East Side my bell rang and when I opened the door this drop dead gorgeous woman wearing a fur coat asked for my landlord. I showed her the bell to his apartment. He was neither rich nor good looking but when he wanted a piece he went for the best. And was willing to pay for it. That impressed the shit out of me. She smelled like a million bucks and looked like two. Yowsa.

I thought the entire reason Craigslist personals was forced to shut down was because of sex trafficking.

r196 actually, no. They didn't give a fuck about that, really. It was the serial killers who ruined it for everyone.

You people saying he'll have to sell the team are delusional. Here's a list of what the NFL has done to owners caught doing much worse:

(short answer is almost nothing)

CNN just said that John W. Childs is also being charged. Childs is an American billionaire businessman, the CEO and founder of J.W. Childs Associates, a private equity firm.

Weird how all these billionaires like to go to run down strip malls!

I guess they got him for assault with a dead weapon.....

Who the hell hires those $5,000 a night hookers if this is what billionaires do?

Lol, R200.

Yeah, Kraft will get a fine and/or community service, and by September this will be all be forgotten.

No, Craigslist personals were shut down because of the FOSTA and SESTA acts signed in by Trump. Those acts use trafficking as an excuse but really it's about prostitution. Lots of cash being moved around without the governments knowledge. Many of the women on craigslist were not being trafficked and just wanted to make some money, now those women have to hook on the street and have a pimp.

Seems like another arrest warrant for another billionaires but can't think of his name. And then this guy in Trumps cabinate did something very dirty...of course Trump knows nothing about it. Another cabinate member of Trump, a criminal...Trump loves the criminals and likes to see them run our country. Has there ever been any administration with more criminals than this...seems worse than Russia.

R201, I know, right? This is like that makeup person on YouTube (can't think of the name) who drives through taco bell in his Lamborghini. Jesus Christ, so much money, such little taste.

I took a look at the photos of all the old fools arrested at the link at R199. What a gruesome assemblage of old hideous looking pigs. Good God, those women had to go through hell having to sexually satisfy this batch of scumbagage.

Another friend of Donald "The Whoremaster" Trump

Ken Wessel, the president of the Boys & Girls Clubs of Indian River County and the John's Island Foundation is one of 173 people arrested or wanted in Indian River County on prostitution charges connected to a human trafficking sting.

At least he paid them. And no underage girls. Prostitution should be legal for consenting adults of legal age. R.Kelly is the real scumbag. Grooming those thirteen and fourteen year olds to be his sex slaves. And pissing on them to boot. Throw the book at him. Let him know what it's like to be turned out. In prison.

R209 he didn't pay them. Slaves don't get paid. Their owners get paid.

"At least he paid them. And no underage girls."

Yes, he's right up there with Mother Teresa, R209.

So vile.

R155, you have no idea if any of us work in conjunction with the league. Some of us may. It just happens to be a very conservative environment and not at all like the product you see on TV, hear on sports radio, read on your websites. The "insider" content you reference is just another layer of a very profitable onion.

[quote]Weird how all these billionaires like to go to run down strip malls!

They didn't get to be billionaires by being spendthrifts!

Did this massage parlor offer Groupons?

I never put too much stock in her, but didn't Louise Mensch post an article last year about the Trump Models company being some sort of sex trafficking operation?? What are the odds that this is connected somehow?

So judgemental, r211. Sex is a human need. Age is not a deterrent. We all have the need for human contact. That is why I think it should be legal. And regulated. Give these women some options to be in business for themselves. On their terms. Prostitution is never going away. And for some women it is the only option they feel they have open to them. We aren't talking Jeffrey Epstein here.

I don't know about you, but I'm giving a letter of commendation to the 85 year old Gent who is named on the Johns list. 85 years old, and still seeking relief? What if the poor old bastid actually really went for a therapuetic massage?

The North Carolina Panthers owner sold his team because of numerous charges of serious sexual harassment. He knew he was toast.

R216, sure, but these particular women didn't want to do sex work. Kraft and the other could have easily found women who WANT to do sex work. After all, he's a BILLIONAIRE.

But their KINK is women who DON'T want to do it. Thus, the need to trick non-English speakers into prostitution by telling them they would get jobs.

Trump Model Management WAS into sex trafficking...they closed down when people started sniffing around. He specialized in European girls...many underage....all around the time of his association with Epstein. Research it, youll be amazed at whats out there regarding this subject....more amazing that it didnt get mentioned AT ALL during the campaign.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

It has now become a tourist hot spot....a Giants fan, TV camera crews, a sweet old couple and some dude who decided to show up naked

Article on TMM.....

[quote]but didn't Louise Mensch post an article last year about the Trump Models company being some sort of sex trafficking operation??

Honey, any real NYer wouldn't need that woman to tell us what we know like the back of our hand about everything and everyone Trump is involved in/with. It wouldn't surprise me if his steaks weren't beef.

I love that most of his fanbase are in parts of the country where they hate NY/NYers, yet what a shock that they gravitated to one who is every bad stereotype of an arrogant, elitist NYer...but don't you dare point out the reason they DID gravitate to him because heaven forbid we point out the obvious about provincial-types who watch FOX all day.

And R221 doesn't surprise me - it's precisely what I was trying to explain about this selfish asshole to someone in the thread about South Dakota whining about the trade war hurting them.

r222 lol,..The escape games next door...how ironic for the women trapped in the parlor.

From 2017. Link at R221.

Independent: China approves Donald Trump-branded spas, escort services, hotels and massage parlours without US Congress permission

I used to think most Americans had morals, or maybe I hoped it but now that the Republican party has been completely exposed..I have learned something different.

"So judgemental, [R211]. Sex is a human need....We all have the need for human contact."

But isn't it kinda funny how johns are almost NEVER women, and the people who are abused and exploited in this business are almost always women and girls?

"That is why I think it should be legal. And regulated."

If this shit were happening to men, it would have been abolished long ago. But since it's happening to women, oh, it's just all so impossible. It's just life-- what can you do?

Legalizing prostitution does not prevent sex trafficking. In the case of the Netherlands, most of the female prostitutes are victims of sex trafficking from Eastern Europe. Eastern European organized crime gangs control prostitution there. In fact, the Netherlands is contemplating making prostitution illegal to try to reduce sex trafficking.

R216, if you have a need for sex, you can find a willing partner instead of paying $70 to get a hand job from a sex slave who can't speak English

Meanwhile no other straight people are blamed for Kraft's actions, unlike in the Jussie Smollett situation where every gay person takes a hit because of the actions of one gay person.

So has he turned himself in yet? Will they perp walk him?

Rosie how much easier is sex trafficking when u own a “modeling agency” ? anyone? thoughts ? #creeps

Is dude gong down just trying to get a happy ending?

Why does he need to go out for a prostitute when he has one at home?

he wants strange r235

He? Who is Krafts wife?

a true blue american patriot, a super senior, buying asian hoars!

At least he helped me with Requiem Canticles.

R237, Kraft's wife died a few years ago, and it's thought that he started going downhill (drinking, etc.) after that. He has a trashy-looking girlfriend now.

(R239, that's pretty funny. Don't forget the tireless advocacy!)

If I was worth 6 billion dollars I'd be hiring the best ass in the world and this idiot is in some sleazy Florida massage parlor getting jerked off by ugly oriental whores.

Deadspin: Robert Kraft donated $100,000 to a Massachusetts anti-sex trafficking group in 2015.

[quote] Why does he need to go out for a prostitute when he has one at home?

Sometimes they are busy with architect work.

[quote]The North Carolina Panthers owner sold his team because of numerous charges of serious sexual harassment. He knew he was toast.

"North Carolina Panthers"? This is what another poster meant about DL not being a hotbed of NFL knowledge.

THIS is why you order in.

We have sooo many of these massage joints in our town. But the parking lots are emptied. No way is any single parlor in my town getting 8 customers a day,

You would think the media would be jumping all over Trump being given trademarks in China for massage parlors and escort services....they have the perfect fucking tie ins....Kraft and Epstein. Instead...silence.

[quote]You would think the media would be jumping all over Trump being given trademarks in China for massage parlors and escort services....they have the perfect fucking tie ins....Kraft and Epstein. Instead...silence.

Leftwing bias! Leftwing bias!

I can only speak for NY, but since authorities have caught onto all of these "spas," I'm starting to see these Asian-owned places pop up that supposedly specialize in "Musical Instrument teaching for kids." Some of these places are opened until midnight and there are three within a couple of blocks. I see kids early in the day, but not at night.

[quote]I wanna know who the other names are!

You can tell by the way the "both sides!" media is smirking that we're talking about Bill Clinton.

i think the other big name is Michael Jordan

Onion article from 2015 that's interesting in retrospect:

I'll just leave this here:

^

Don Lemon and his guests are really disgusting. There is a difference between a prostitute and a sex slave but I guess they all want to stay on Kraft's good side. They are part of the problem.

r255, who are the guests and what did they say?

Jesus, R253, is Florida just one big barrel of snakes?

Thanks for posting that.

It's not just FL. Cops are mostly assholes who worship someone like Trump and bitch about PC, meanwhile, so many of them weigh a fucking ton and we're not allowed to fat shame them for it. They shoot because they can't run after a perp unless it's a giant Boston Kreme rolling down the street.

Orchids of Asia isn't even the worst spa in Jupiter, FL

R256 here is a tiny snippet of the exchange. Don and the male guest were just so eager to give Kraft a pass. The woman was looking pissed and did call them out a little bit.

But she ended up backing off probably because she realized there is no going against Kraft and the bro culture. Ironically, they talked about how Kraft could atone for his sins by donating to an anti-trafficking org. Meanwhile, in a post somewhere above, it was revealed Kraft already did this in 2015.

Don really is a fake POS. He spent all that time crying over what some MAGA supporters supposedly did to rich celeb Jussie for one minute on one night. Oh, the tears!

Yet, Don ignores that Kraft sought out an enslaved Chinese woman living in deplorable conditions for forced sex and instead pretends the woman was just a regular prostitute.

Online review from an outraged frau:

"Highly disappointed I allowed you to give my friend and I a facial and massage . I recommended this place as well to a guy friend of mine whom was offered a table shower then happy ending ! This is NOT the town to act like this and it’s a family area . I’m reporting you to the board and I pray you get shut down ! It’s pretty sad sitting around a table with Jupiter locals at a restaurant and a few were aware of this when I explained what happened ..... You’re disgusting and I can’t believe I let you touch my face and I laid on your massage table . GET OUT OF OUR TOWN OR ILL SEE TO IT YOUR LICENSE IS REVOKED AND YOURE KICKED OUT !"

This isn't a joke!

The media is completely on Kraft's side by claiming that he "solicited" a prostitute. The woman wasn't a prostitute. Prostitutes can go outside, can go to their own home, can take a bath, take days off, have access to stoves and to transportation. The woman Kraft assaulted couldn't do any of these things because she was a slave.

One doesn't have to "solicit" anything from a slave. One takes whatever they want from a slave.

You’d have to pay me to touch that thing, too. A LOT.

CNN is really downplaying this. No wonder they like Hllary and Kamala, they are just bootlickers for the elites

He probably didn't know for sure/didn't care that they were being trafficked. Anytime I see a foreign "massage parlor", I just assume it's something shady.

John Havens, Citigroup Inc.’s former president and chief operating officer, has been caught up in the same prostitution bust that has also ensnared New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft.

This is a ring with very wealthy people. the media is reporting on this dishonestly. it's not as simple as robert kraft soliciting a prostitute.

R267, 100%. The media is acting like these billionaires are just regular lonely guys in the neighborhood soliciting a hooker. There has to be more to this story. Is it a billionaire sex slave club?

Is there a connection to Trump? A less desirable way to take him down if the Mueller probe doesn't work out? Do the Chinese collect blackmail material on these rich guys?

[quote]This is a ring with very wealthy people. the media is reporting on this dishonestly.

But what's so weird is that a bunch of really wealthy guys going to an Asian "spa" in FL is also happening in NYC with blue collar/ white collar guys, too. I mean considering how wealthy these men are, I would think they'd have something more high end or exclusive going on. Meanwhile, I could show them a baker's dozen in places that have yet to be caught, but everyone in the neighborhood knows about them. How the fuck did these wealthy guys get caught, meanwhile, plumbers and electricians are going to "spas" in Brooklyn and Queens?

R269, exactly. This is strange. As someone else noted, these guys should really be in the market for high end escorts. The ones who work for themselves, are knock-out gorgeous and have absolutely no ties to either pimps or trafficking rings. Last I saw, that will run you 10-15k a night and less for do-it-and-leave. WTF? Even without craigslist, you can find those girls.

The richer the man, the cheaper he is!! Why would they want to spend 1500 an hour when they can spend 100?

Reading that thing @R261, I have to laugh because as I said, we know about these places in Brooklyn, but before we did, my mom actually went several years ago for the pain she was having in her back and she said this old Chinese woman was amazing. She was like a monkey jumping on my mom's back and she helped get rid of the pain. A few months later, the place was raided and my mother was actually upset because she loved that old woman for helping her with her back pain. The woman just disappeared. Don't know if she was arrested or what.

[quote]I can only speak for NY, but since authorities have caught onto all of these "spas," I'm starting to see these Asian-owned places pop up that supposedly specialize in "Musical Instrument teaching for kids." Some of these places are opened until midnight and there are three within a couple of blocks. I see kids early in the day, but not at night.

Hey -- the rusty trombone is an instrument!

R163 They are compared to this place.

R155 I have no idea of what you are trying to say and how it relates to the layers of an onion.

I am in business and I work with the NFL. I post here regularly and I have shared quite a bit of "inside information" over the years. However, I said nothing about inside information in my post you are responding to. I was merely stating a few truths which probably 2/3 of DLers are not aware of. If you want to form a more cogent statement/question I will attempt to answer or counter it.

The more money you have, the more fun it is to go low.

The British aristocracy are experts at this...

[quote]The rank and file LEOs and civil servants are only too happy to investigate anything in Trump's orbit.

"Rank and file LEOs" are typically Trump supporters.

Yeah it boggles the mind the way that rightwingers suddenly think that cops and FBI agents are suddenly card carrying members of the Democratic Party due to Trump’s brainwashing in the midst of his infantile dispute with Robert Mueller.

Darren Rovell

Fining Robert Kraft the maximum allowable NFL owner fine of $500,000, based on median net worth in America and Kraft’s net worth of $6.6B, is the equivalent of fining the average fan $2.87.

Why did Jupiter Florida allow a place like this to be licensed? I am sure the johns that went to this place didn't know the girls were forced to do this job? So he got a happy ending. BFD

[quote]Fining Robert Kraft the maximum allowable NFL owner fine of $500,000, based on median net worth in America and Kraft’s net worth of $6.6B, is the equivalent of fining the average fan $2.87.

Yet they have fined players $10 to 20,000 for wearing the wrong socks or shoes (although I am not sure they do that as much anymore).

"I am sure the johns that went to this place didn't know the girls were forced to do this job? So he got a happy ending. BFD."

Since it's such a great place to work, why don't you send your mother there to work? She is a huge slut, after all.

Agree with this tweet:

A guy as rich as Robert Kraft does not just walk into a random massage parlor, he had an in. He knew, and whoever told him to go is probably involved in the sex trafficking.

@R283 . Nonsense. Like most of these guys he probably heard about it from a buddy who also digs this kind of thing. You are one of those whose agenda is to smear Kraft by pumping this up into something it obviously isn't.

Also agree with this tweet:

How you gonna say #RobertKraft didn’t participate?! He bought women being trafficked! Seriously?! There is no business without the customers. That’s like saying a man downloading child porn isn’t guilty because he didn’t actually take the picture.

R284 You mean a buddy who also digs sexual slavery as opposed to regular prostitution?

@R285 . Keep pumping, asshole. I'm sure that it feels great when you finally find someone as stupid as yourself who agrees with you.

Keep Trump-in? Kraft and Trump are friends. You didn't know that?

The "Robert Kraft is a sex trafficker" lunatic has destroyed this thread. It had potential, but it has been completely co-opted by mouth foaming nut case who actually believes that Kraft gave the spa's business dealings a second thought.

If I go to my local Thai or Vietnamese eatery here in Martin Co for my favorite "whole fish" and the next week it is busted for having imported Thai peasants in servitude in the kitchen who had no freedom whatsoever, am I guilty for eating/paying for food they prepared?

The idea that someone thinks Kraft is somehow complicit in the sex trafficking is so insane I am embarrassed for him or more likely her.

Here is what likely happened: Kraft gets off the golf course. He enjoys a cocktail in the men's cardroom in the locker room. An hour or so later he returns home. He decides that a rub and tug sounded pretty good, so off he goes to the "spa," He gets what he came for and he returns home to Admiral's Cove.

It's just that simple. It's no different from the garage mechanic who gets a craving for Taco Bell and zips off to take care of it. It was commerce to fulfill a craving. The mechanic did not ask to see the papers of the kids in TB's kitchen and Kraft did not do the same at the spa

There are hundreds of these places in the SFV. Never went in one but I just assumed that anything operating out in the open that was listed on the internet would be 100% legal. Is there any proof that Kraft knew or at least suspected anything?

He went twice. So the time he returned - he knew.

It's a fast food blow job/hand job spa. In and Out.

R289 you are out of your mind. The sex trafficking angle is being discussed all over social media.

The scenario you mentioned is prostitution. Not the same as visiting a non-English speaking Chinese woman enslaved in a "spa". Duh!

In your scenario, if he wanted a prostitute he would have ordered one in to his comfy room and not limoed his fat ass to some seedy spa in a run down strip mall.

R289 Kraft had a "craving" for forced sex with enslaved Chinese women. Don't be so obtuse.

R289 slavery in pre-Civil War times was also "commerce to fulfill a craving".

R289 you don't see a difference between the kitchen staff at a Vietnamese eatery making your fast food and a human being that you're forcing sex upon?

You do know that the kitchen staff is allowed to go outside, go home, take showers and freely communicate with others? Right?

R289 is a troll with a "fish" fixation.

Bloomberg: Ex-Citigroup President John Havens Caught Up in Prostitution Probe

China approves Donald Trump-branded spas, escort services, hotels and massage parlours without US Congress permission

Why isn’t this the leading news story EVERYWHERE?

Why isn’t it number one on Twitter?

The president of the United States is branding massage parlors & escort services.

[quote] Ex-Citigroup President John Havens

Googles images... please be even average looking. Please be even average looking...

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww. God. They're all just gargoyles. Every one of them is something out of A Grimms Tale. Trolls, Goblins. Fucking gross.

Grimm's*

R298, ask that asshole Lara Logan that question.

Boston Globe: In Robert Kraft’s name, a professor wrestles with sex and slavery

As a professor at Brandeis University, Bernadette Brooten has studied the long, intertwined history of sex and slavery.

One of the names on her endowed chair? Bob Kraft.

Brooten, the founder and director of the Feminist Sexual Ethics Project at Brandeis, found out Friday that Kraft was accused of soliciting a prostitute connected to an alleged human trafficking ring that sounds a lot like the kind of sexual slavery she’s spent years studying.

“I was just really shocked,” said Brooten, a former MacArthur and Fulbright fellow and the editor of a book on the sexual legacy of slavery. She is also the Myra and Robert Kraft and Jacob Hiatt Professor of Christian Studies at Brandeis.

“I think disturbing would be the word I would use,” she said. “Given the dehumanization that occurs within any form of forced labor, I find this allegation to be deeply disturbing...”

She’s met Kraft a few times, she said, and he was always interested in her work. The chair she holds was originally the idea of Hiatt — Kraft’s father-in-law...

The men who pay a pittance for sex acts from trafficked people whose stories they’ll never know don’t care about collateral damage.

They don’t concern themselves with the circumstances that made their $79-per-hour good time possible, or with whatever hell exists behind the plastic curtain. They’re content to fork over a few dollars, pull up their pants, and walk away -- a luxury the people left behind don’t have. That mostly means women and girls, but boys and men, too.

There is room for reasonable debate about what consenting adults should be able to do, free of leverage or collusion, behind closed doors for money. But there is no space for slavery or trafficking or servitude. And to solicit sex at a place like Orchids of Asia, as Kraft allegedly did, is to ignore the very real possibility that the person you’re paying for your pleasure is not there willingly.

R158 Oh I totally agree with that. What I was responding to was the comment that pressure would be put on Goodell and the NFL to force the Kraft family to sell their team a la Donald Sterling and the Panthers' owner.

I can not imagine anyone who will ascend the hill of "Kraft Must Sell and Now" as occurred when racist allegations were raised in the other cases.

What the fuck? These guys have one foot in the grave...can't they just stay home, put in a video and jerk off?

I feel so sorry for these women and so much hate for the men who put them in this place. I would gut the grifters and kidnappers with a smile on my face.

@ R302 . If there's no place for 'slavery or trafficking or servitude' then how do you judge the police response of allowing the 'servitude' to continue for 6 months or more while they arranged to film these 'slaves' engaging in over 200 sexual encounters ? Was that in these women's self interest ?

The only way to justify that delay is if you think the police believed what the customers also most likely believed: that these were women who were willingly engaged in prostitution.

r305 gets the facts of the case totally wrong. Of course. Why are you bending over backwards to defend rich Trumpster idiots?

Trying to pretend Kraft is some kind of victim is fucking hilarious.

For the Kraft apologists, don't get so worked up. He's not worried, doesn't care about what he did and most of all doesn't care a thing about you.

NYP: Robert Kraft on the Oscars party circuit amid prostitution scandal

So people who go to this massage parlor for a massage with a happy ending are now considered sex traffickers? These people are being charged with a misdemeanor meaning they paid for a happy ending. Kraft is not going to have to sell his team. He will face a fine of over $1 million and possible suspension. Look at what Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson did before you write comments. Check out the penalties against Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay.

The vilification of Kraft by a very small number of loons here is absurd. Was what he did admirable and cool? NO.

But the implication and accusations of his being in a sex trafficking ring, or that he only gets off fucking enslaved women is almost funny. It was close, it was convenient and he patronized the spa. He did not run a background check before he paid his fee.

How 'bout you mouth foamers go after the real human traffickers?

"The vilification of Kraft by a very small number of loons here is absurd."

The defense of him by Trumpster loons is absurd. Save your pity for someone who deserves it. How 'bout you mouth foamers get outraged by poor people who get harsh jail sentences they don't deserve, instead of whining about a rich twat being charged with a misdemeanor

I have no pity for him. I am not a Trump loon.

If you knew anything you would be aware of Kraft's extensive outreach and aid in many liberal causes. The reason he is so very popular with the black payers(unlike Trump) is that he has done so much for black people in peril. He was one of the people responsible for getting Meek Mill out of prison.

My understanding is that he's a Democrat, but also buds with Trump. Correct?

Correct. A more committed MA liberal you will never meet.

That is one of the many reasons I have to laugh at the Trump obsessed hater here who claim that no reasonable, sane non-racist human could ever be friends with Trump. Trump has lots of liberal friends, and his popularity with AA men is very well known.

I agree with R283.

This doesn't pass the smell test. If it were truly about protecting these poor exploited women why didn't the Jupiter Police move in to save them as soon as they established what was happening, why did they sit there for months going after 200 men for misdemeanors? Why are Kraft and the Citibank guy the only names we've heard about?

Something doesn't add up here.

[quote]That is one of the many reasons I have to laugh at the Trump obsessed hater here who claim that no reasonable, sane non-racist human could ever be friends with Trump. Trump has lots of liberal friends, and his popularity with AA men is very well known.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that a lot of these so-called "liberals" happen to be Zionists (like Kraft) who are fine with the far-right, racism and bigotry as long as Jews/Israel aren't the target - that's why Trump isn't seen as a problem. The ability to empathize isn't their forte.

As far as this moronic comment about AA men - don't make shit up. Having a few tokens with no self-respect doesn't erase his actual history when it comes to the black community. An he sure as hell hasn't changed: See Norway/Africa comment.

And*

Don't make things up? I am not making anything up.

Do you deny that among younger(under 50) black men "Scarface" and "The Godfather" are huge? Trump is a big gangster to many of them. They like the way he lives and the fact that he does whatever the hell her wants

If you thought I was talking about Floyd Mayweather and Kanye, I wasn't. I am talking about basic lower echelon men.

r318....just shut up...youre embarrassing yourself.

"That is one of the many reasons I have to laugh at the Trump obsessed hater here who claim that no reasonable, sane non-racist human could ever be friends with Trump. Trump has lots of liberal friends, and his popularity with AA men is very well known."

No, hardly any black voters supported Trump. Try again. Thanks for proving me right - you are an idiot Trump supporter.

[quote]I am talking about basic lower echelon men.

Nice try Ivan.

R320 If you will point out where I stated voters I will beg your pardon.

An article from the NY Times article, which discusses the difficulty the police face in investigating these operations, how ugly they are, and how obviously they employ forced labor.

Capt. Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

update!!!! prosecutors in Florida just spoke

Kraft and others facing up to a year in jail. His arraignment is set for April 24th

The affidavit...he received only a hand job, not even a little sucky sucky

TMZ says "According to court documents, Kraft paid for a threesome on Jan. 19 -- with two women taking turns "manipulating his genitals."

Is a handjob really prostitution?

He's been saying he did nothing illegal. He just got a massage of his private area. They had tiny hands. Wax on, wax off.

This bitch obviously knew they were being trafficked. It was probably part of why he was there.

These guys should be forced to pay reparations to these slaves. Don't let them get off easy by calling these women prostitutes.

I wonder if the reaction would be different if the enslaved women were African instead of Asian.

[quote] During high school, Kraft was unable to participate in most sports because it interfered with his after-school Hebrew studies and observance of the Sabbath.[2]

He's the East Coast Jewish equivalent of a phony Midwestern Christian.

But were they really enslaved? Why didn't he police rescue them immediately instead of running a long sting hoping to catch some big fish?

I want to see a documentary or in-depth story on the process and investigation of busting these guys, and the spa management. I hope that the authorities can get to the original traffickers of these girls.

Were they really not allowed to leave the spa?

R335, apparently some of them were moved from spa to spa to try to stop the police from building a case.

I want to see the videos of their handiwork. They must jackoff men like porn stars if they were able to pull in billionaries like Kraft, John Childs, John Havens, etc

I don’ t think I want to see the vids. I mean, 77 year old cock getting a handjob. Yuk.

No, R337, you don't get it. The billionaires are interested in forcing sex on people held in slavery. That's their kink. Asians slaves are probably extra desirable.

If they wanted skill, they would go elsewhere.

A regular prostitute would just go to the rich person. They don't bring the slaves to the rich person's house because it's probably too risky and harder for the rich person to pretend they don't know what is going on.

Since I blocked all the overwrought trafficking loons, I cannot see for myself. Are they still beating that drum bout men such as Kraft who only get off on fucking a woman who has been trafficked and enslaved?

I mean, if that were true of him, I can't see how getting a handy would fulfill his sadistic kink.

Is the troll at r341 still tripping over himself to defend this douche?

Kraft got a hand job right at the "spa" before the AFC title game - Bwah!!!!

Does this mean we can't eat Velveeta?

There must be a lot more to this that hasn't been made public. It may just be a part of many illegal things that are all connected.

"but Kraft is not the real villain here. "

R345 you mean like the article at R226?

R345 I agree. All these billionaries just so happen to get handjobs at the same stripmall massage place?

R345 Jupiter resident here. I think that would be more of a reason to suspect some darker connotation if it were in NY, LA or even Atlanta.

But here in this tiny town, there aren't any options. Hell, even Orlando would have many massage parlors. We don't.

Sad news....the video won't be released anytime soon

The police affidavit with all of the grisly details. They are claiming that rumors of a "bigger name" being involved was a "false rumor."

They've offered him a plea deal

Anyone know Mr Kraft's religion? Catholic?

He's Jewish.

Bingo.