British Royal Family Gossip: Part 20

Solo Harry (or Soho HaHa) singing the National Anthem in Twickenham today.

I have to laugh at the delusions of some Meghan lovers. She doesn't call her half sister by her name Samantha but "your other daughter". Both father and his TWO daughters are to blame for this family shitstorm.

Well Harry looks content

R3 - yes, doesn't he? LOL.

Harry's tummy hurts!

Kate and Will have fun with Harry Potter. They're a well matched pair.

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I think this meme is quite funny. Check mate!

Harry must be fucking his ex gfs by now. So much drama with the whore he married.

It's just all bad. No one gets that this isn't a war anyone can win. Not Meghan, not Harry, not the BRF.

Of course, the two Markle pariahs are doing well. They're considerably better off (TM, Sr., can probably buy himself a nicer house back across the border in an area at least a bit more upscale than Rosarita, Mexico with the proceeds), they don't care if indignant posters call them names because they don't have any skin in the personal PR game.

The skin in the PR game is all on the side of the Sussexes and the BRF, and neither gets anything but slime out of this. I'd give anything to hear the chatter between Kate and William as they get ready to head for the BAFTAS, or between Charles and his mother on all this.

I know there's a film script or novella in all this somewhere.

The Queen at church today. She's still able to jump into that car quite well. Rock on, Your Majesty!

soon on front pages, it will be grand daddy pleading with megs to see his grand kid...before he dies or another heart attack.

R11 - The BRF has no idea (or maybe they do) how lucky they are that HM has held up physically and mentally to this point.

R12 - No kidding.

R12 If that were a song you could expect Sister Samantha to pipe in with the harmony.

Getting her five friends to talk to People mag is something a CELEBRITY does NOT a member of the Royal Family. Markle still thinks like AN ACTRESS not a DUCHESS. It's about HER feelings NOT what damage it does to the ROYAL FAMILY. She's just doing everything wrong on so many levels. Instead of keeping quiet and ignoring the shitstorms that are her family and trolls, she just lowered herself (and by extension, all of Royal Family to their gutter levels. I can't believe that the Kensington PR machine thought that this was a great idea.

The Markle's are the key exhibit of how crucial good parenting is. Raised by narcissist and either end up becoming a bigger narcissist than the parent or completely normal. Unfortunately Meghan is the former.

What is it with the constant Masonic hand gestures, see R4?

If you read snippets of her instagram way back when she was not with PH you know enough what type of woman she is . She thinks she ‘s the best thing ever that happened to mankind . And now that’s she is a duchess their is no limit to her delusions .

The Queen and Prince Charles need to have a LONG CHAT with Harry and Meghan and read them the RIOT ACT. If they don't understand or simply ignore their instructions, remove them from any further public engagements by cutting off any financial support. Tell them to stay home until they learn how to behave. Has Harry learned nothing about how his family works or is he just thumbing his nose at them by enabling his wife's poor judgement and bad conduct?

I still can’t get over her holding herself out as a “foodie” when her idea of cooking is scraping some avocado on some toast.

I don’t consider myself a great cook, and I certainly don’t love doing it. But I generally cook from scratch a pretty good dinner almost every night, elaborate traditional holiday meals, etc. The kind of stuff she would have no idea how to do. But she makes some toast and considers herself an elite chef.

MeAgain is VERY NEEDY.

Everyone thinks TM is a narcist but he was helping her when she was in school and after that university and after that her becoming an actress . The people who worked with him described him as a good man . A narcist doens’t do these things .And after she abandoned him he became harder . I mean you marry a guy and she wasn’t even presenting him to her father ?

[quote] The Markles are the key exhibit of how crucial good parenting is.

That is so true.

R17 - I think it's a gesture he's picked up from his father - I seem to remember seeing Charles do the same thing.

For Royal fans, Princess Margaret: The Rebel Princess starts tonight on PBS. Check your local listings for details.

Agree, R10. I would love, love, love to eavesdrop on the family chatter. Do they fume? Laugh? Dismiss in that British way?

R22, and all your other distinctive posts - it's NARCISSIST NOT NARCIST.

R18 - I must agree. It reeks of the sort of pretentious entitled trendy shallow persona her social circle is riddled with.

R19 - I don't think a "chat" is an option at this point. And I don't think she's controllale, any more than Diana was. Megha 's ripped jeans lunch with her new PR guy was yet another message that she's on her own and making her own decisions, and I doubt that the more seasonsed PR hands at Buck House or Clarence House are consulted or listened to if they offer any unsolicited advice.

If the BRF are considering a strategy meeting, I'd be very interested on what sorts of "options" they think they do have, short of simply washing their hands of the Sussexes completely and letting them swing on their own hand-woven eco-friendly ropes.

The DM says the palace hasn't said whether it knew of or approved the ott article by the five (imaginary) friends. Personally, I think it's very unlikely. Whose idea do you think it was - MM's or the new PR guy? It has failure written all over it, imo.

Well, instead they chose to send them to Moracco, R19. It seems our views of Charles and his mother are what need to adjust, as their actions toward Dim and Megsy still put them out in public. The banishment from the burbs is still a ways off and has in no way curbed her behavior. She is out for herself and does NOT care about fitting in, making them happy, etc. So nothing short of cutting off their funds is likely to have an impact and can you imagine her victimized PR onslaught then?

I don't think they knew.

R14 - Something along the lines of, "Hello, operartor/Get me Memphis, Tennessee . . ."

Foosball guy knew

I don't think the comparisons to Becky Sharp are valid. Becky Sharp did her utmost to fit in with every new environment and to please the people who could advance her goals. She was smart, patient and tireless. Her big mistake was marrying her dullard of a husband.

Buck House needs to tell Clarence House, Kensington Palace and any other fucking PR team in the mix that NO press announcements are to be released to the public until someone who knows what they're doing goes through it with a fine tooth comb. We need PROS not amateurs in communications to sort out Duke and Duchess Rogue.

Queen and Charles to Harry and Meghan: Either you both do things OUR way or you get out!

R31 - I don't think they knew, either. Harry and Meghan are way past alerting the Palace of their latest PR spree.

R30 - Morocco isn't far enough, either geographically or in terms of time. It's only three days, after all. The only purpose the Morocco trip seems to serve is keeping Meghan from using the Oscars to promote herself any further with a surprise appearance.

You're right, though, that the deafencing silence and lack of apparent action from On High is starting to reflect really badly on the whole lot - it begs question like, "Why aren't they doing something to stop this?!"

The comparisons to Becky Sharp might not be exact parallels, but in terms of ambition and motivation and the use of men for social advancement, it is in my view quite enough on point.

I agree with poster who said it’s time for the reading of the riot act. Can’t have this.

*deafening

The Becky Sharp comparison is amusing. Vanity Fair, the novel, is a really fun read. I forget the name of the boorish aristocrat soldier Becky bags, but he’s quite a galoot.

Meghan telling her victim sob story about his family being the family she never had, that happened prior to the wedding. That was a private yet direct insult to her dad whom she praised and proclaimed to love publicly. At worst she's a cold-hearted narcissist capable of ghosting her dad who raised her. At best she's a liar who only cares about portraying herself as something she's not to people higher up on the social food chain.

If the BRF tries to reign her in, then she will squawk to the press. What leverage does the Queen have over Meghan?

R32 Chuck Berry was better but that young upstart Johnny Rivers got all the fame and money. I understand Chuck Berry's pain

You never diss your own family like this, it's not like she was ill treated or abused. That is the real her. She has zero loyalty, she doesn't know what family means. You're in her circle because you're of some use to her. She doesn't even respect her own family, you think she's gonna respect anybody or anything? Everything is about her.

Harry is fucked big time.

Do you think her new "family" is gonna love her? she's delusional. They see how she treats her real family...they are not gonna trust her. EVER.

R39 - Sir Pitt Crawley.

I’m puzzled that people who otherwise see Meghan as a liar are latching into her “best daddy in the world” blog blatherings to decide he’s a great dad who’s being treated coldly by Meghan.

Obviously, her “perfect daddy” nonsense was meant to enhance her “I’m a pretty princess” image.

Thomas is obviously an alcoholic. He dragged his kid around sets her whole childhood. True, he had to work but he could have had a better childcare plan. Everything about him says trashy, bad judgment, boozehound.

MAYBE he paid for college, maybe not. Even if he did, that’s the bare minimum. Since when do people get father of the year for doing the bare minimum?

I don’t like Meghan and I find her completely annoying. But it seems clear her father is a total lowlife. I’m tired of seeing her described as “ungrateful” when he was a shit dad even if we assume his version of events is accurate. She had a shitty childhood and has a shitty family. She must feel very lonely.

No, it was Rawdon Crawley, Sir Pitt's son. If MM was like Becky Sharp, she would have dressed and behaved perfectly and modestly, all the while doing all she could to win over Charles and William, taking care not to arouse the jealousy of Kate and Camilla. Then the goodies would have started to flow her way, beginning with the big apartment at KP.

Is she has even an ounce of sense, Mega is not trying to end up like Becky and is not using her as a model.

You queens posting with unnecessary capitalization are so hilariously dramatic.

How do you know she had a shitty childhood?

Most people in usa take out student loans to go to college. He spent hundreds of thousands on her private school education and college. The least she can do is pay back the money so he can have a better retirement.

We often hear from actors who made it that the first thing they did was buy their parents a house or pay off their mortgage etc.

She is a terrible person for dissing her family like this. That is a no-no. you never forget your roots.

R47 - Right! Poor recall, it's been quite some time since I read it.

Really, the whole thing takes one back to the worst excesses of the Toe Sucking Siquidy Gate Tampon Gate Morton Expose . . .

It's the last thing the BRF needed let alone wanted. I can't quite believe I'm even seeing it again.

Ah, well - they can take comfort from the fact that the BAFTA red carpet is proably going to replace the Daddy Dearest headlines immediately.

Yes Becky was unctuous to say the least, and she also played the “poor little me” card often. But eventually she got restless, frustrated that Rawdon didn’t have enough cachet or cash. It was then that she would get cranky and box her son’s ears. Anyway, great book, and villainess. I might have to pull it off the shelf now.

why don't they just pay them off and buy their silence? simple. it's not like they can't afford it.

R41 - I don't know that the Queen has any leverage over Meghan at this point. There isn't much she can do except let it be known how unhappy she is and perhaps go through Charles re the financial support, as he is the one supplementing his sons' annual incomes, not the Queen. And even if Charles were to try exerting some financial pressure, Meghan would probably take that as a sign that she is therefore entitled to merch in exchange for luxury clothes as her father-in-law has suspended his support.

Haary and Meghan are on Rogue Status now so far as I can tell. In addition to dragging the BRF down to the level of the Kardashians, H&N are also exposing their helplessness.

Neither is a good look.

I was always a very important lesson growing up and it became invaluable as I matured and forged relationships in life: DON'T EVER TAKE ANY SHIT FROM PEOPLE OR THEY'LL JUST KEEP THROWING IT AT YOU.

If the Royal Family doesn't have the backbone to control the shitstorm that is the Sussex Couple, they need to go NUCLEAR with so many negative stories about them they won't know what to do with themselves. Throw everything but the kitchen sink at them. They can't allow any crap from this woman and her dimwit Duke. They're not even married a year yet and look at the drama they've brought into the family. Nip it in the bud before it gets beyond your control. To save THE FIRM, you have to fight back and weed out the troublemakers. If you have to cut them off, so be it. I won't miss them. Their very survival is at stake.

My capitals are specially for you @R49. And don't call me a queen. There's one Queen and she lives in England.

*Harry and Meghan

R50, most middle class families in the US pay for college. Thomas would have had a good income when he was working. True, poor kids take out loans. But they’ve never said Thomas was poor when he (supposedly) paid for school.

How do you know he paid for school?

Private primary school at the time Meghan attended would have been 1-2K per month. Not overly difficult for a middle class family. It’s what you do if you’re raising kids in LA.

R46. I think Morton says Thomas lost the lottery money before college, but he paid for the private high school.

R53 You can never pay off an extortionist. They'll keep coming back. Mega's letter makes it clear that she's given him payouts and he's asking for more. She quotes his email.

I love these queens defending the extortionist Thomas M. as if he's father of the year. Come back to me after someone has embarrassed you in front of a billion people. I'd bet good money some of you wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

Must say I’m enjoying the volleying in the media - Meghan pulls some drama, then Kate will be resplendent at the BAFTAs, then Meghan does something, then Kate, etc etc. I realize it’s a soap opera being exploited for profit, but it’s entertaining.

R42 - Well, Sam (you don't mind if I call you Sam, right?) you have more versions than those two to choose from: I believe Eric Burdon and the early Animals covered it effectiely, Elvis sang it, and I think there may even be a Beatles cover.

Spoilt for choice.

*effectively

After about 10 years of relative calm, the drama has returned to the House of Windsor. I can't imagine the Queen and Prince Charles are very happy about this at all.

[quote] most middle class families in the US pay for college.

[quote] would have been 1-2K per month. Not overly difficult for a middle class family.

What planet are you living on?

These are a huge, huge percentage of income. And, I assume Pa Markle was paying alimony to Doria and wife #1 as well.

As for Sparkle claiming she paid her way through college with work-study jobs - don't make me laugh.

I had work study jobs in college. No Way would they pay for Northwestern.

R60. Thieves. All thieves.

I feel a book in there somewhere. Must call my agent. I'll get out my blonde Christmas wig and prep for interviews with the Australian tabloids

I think Harry may have married his mother. Pretty telling and quite desperate.

I wonder how exercised the Queen gets about anything at her age. It must be distressing for Charles to see his son going through a similar kind of marital media shitstorm he himself did. But the one who might be seriously concerned about longer-term damage to the institution is William.

R63 Thomas was dreaming up ways to hide his lottery winnings from wives 1 and 2. There is no mention of alimony. There was child support.

R63 exemplifies that American phenomenon of everyone considering themselves middle class, whether their income is $10,000 or $10M per year.

If you don’t think it’s normal for parents to pay for school and college, then you are perhaps not as middle class as you think.

R63 - You beat me to it. I once saw a PBS Special called "Nursery University" about the ferocious competition and costs for private pre- and early primary school that parents desperate to keep their kids out of local comps (what you Yanks call "public school") go through in New York City. At the end, one family decided to leave the city and move to Boston where they had more choices, access to better public schools, and lower prices.

Private primary school beggars the term "middle-class". The desperation re keeping the kids out of inferior "public" schools" has bankrupted middle-class families by among other things, prompting moves to areas where the public schools are as good as private schools, but because of astronomical property taxes that the family then has to pay.

The educational system is completely raked and not in favour of what we used to call "middle-class".

Couple of observations about the letter to “Daddy”.

The numbering (1/5) is just plain odd - it wasn’t a PowerPoint presentation.

She was obviously writing for posterity, not just considering the self-justifying content but also the ridiculous flourishes added to random letters afterwards.

In fact, why write at all when an email would be quicker? She mentioned an email from him so they obviously had communicated that way before. Who uses snail mail at all these days? Perhaps she considered it more royal. I wonder if HRH used a wax seal. You know - like in the movies. “Princess Bride”, like, totally!

Dear OTT queen at R55. I hope that's an ironic post

[quote] To save THE FIRM, you have to fight back and weed out the troublemakers. If you have to cut them off, so be it. I won't miss them. Their very survival is at stake.

If the Firm can't withstand Monsoon Markle then its thousand years of existence hasn't prepared it for the 21st century and it deserves to die. Thankfully, the majority of the British public don't share your pessimism. If Edward VIII's constitutional crisis didn't topple them, I don't think the Windsors need worry too much about the Markle family.

If you live in LA and make $100k per year, your income is lower-middle-class. Doesnt mean you aren’t educated or accomplished. It is a reflection of the cost of living.

In the US, there is a huge chasm between lower-middle and middle. An even bigger charm between middle and upper-middle.

Most people who find it impossible to pay for college are not true middle class, or they are not good planners / savers.

Sorry, I actually believe her side of it. She might be an ambitious adventuress, but her own father is being unreasonable and taking advice from the wrong daughter (Sam) rather than patching things with Meghan. Meghan has access to all good things now and could probably give him a better life. Why is Pa listening to Sam, who shits her diapers?

Thomas Markle may have been an alcoholic or some other type of less than ideal parent, however, Meghan put him up on that pedestal for the public. Meghan created that image. It’s not all of us imagining it.

She certainly sees now she needs to combat her past claims without looking like an outright liar.

I expect the next “release from friends” to be something about her realizing he was never a good parent and all her blogging some co-dependency wishful thinking thing. Something about how she’s recently discovered in therapy that he was always bad but her need for love made her create an online world she wished was her reality.

That or maybe a sudden interest in supporting some group like Al-Anon with it helpfully getting out how personal the cause is to her.

She should hire me for her PR.

I was shocked at MM's writing that has been described numerous times as calligraphy. Calligraphy, my ass! It's horrible! She just makes a leftward loop extended out of tall letters.

Not to excuse Harry's Nazi outfit but the theme of the costume party was "Bad Taste." He chose a really painful, awful costume but it was in "Bad Taste."

I know grown men and women who call their fathers "Daddy." It's mostly a southern thing.

MM's dad is a psycho. He acts like he has said nothing and done nothing wrong except for staging the photos? Holy shit. Talk about someone who has no self-awareness.

I feel sorry for Doria and Meghan.

Thomas Markle wastes money. I suspect that he lives in Mexico to get away from his drug-using past and the people he used to hang with and not just because it's cheaper.

He declared bankruptcy in 2016. I believe that bankruptcy wouldn't touch his Social Security and his union pension . The pension alone would be able to support most people.

He obviously has a drinking and/or drug problem and that's why he skipped the wedding. He couldn't be away from his habit and under scrutiny.

The future Queen has arrived!

Kate is looking elegant, polished, appropriate and VERY HAPPY!

I’m not American, and I don’t understand how there can be a student debt crisis threatening the US economy if parents paying for their children’s college is considered “bare minimum”?

Watching this live and Kate is indeed stunning in that dress. She is also easily a full size less than the thinnest actresses who walked the red carpet ahead of her. Girl needs to eat.

Haha, Kate wearing white, the “good” princess. I love everything about the look, except for her slightly bony shoulder and overly perky bust.

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Kate looks stunning. Elegant, simple, poised - wearing Diana's pearl and diamond earrings, I see.

Eat your heart out, Meghan, as your future Queen Consort walks the red carpet at a major entertainment industry awards ceremony looking the way you never look.

Only quibble is her posture, I do wish she would lose the little stoop so common to girls who got very tall very quickly and never got over feeling uncomfortable with it.

Click on the black box on R81to see the article.

Hapless Harry today.

R78 The expectation that US parents will pay for their college education is from a different era when university costs were lower and income was higher relative to cost of living. Colleges are for profit businesses and the cost of tuition has risen sharply in the US. The expectation of parents funding college persists today even in custody cases and the Obamacare provisions for insuring kids until 26. Many parents can't afford college while still maintaining the illusion of middle class living so their children take large loans to finance going to their "dream school."

R75, he skipped the wedding because he wasn't invited and he was in the hospital for heart procedure...

Kate the Great!

Kate looks fab. She has never looked better.

Work it girl!

Kate wore Diana's diamond and pearl earrings.

Amazing. Such a perfect choice of jewellery. So right for the event and for her dress.

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Sorry, Kate fans...dress, hair, jewels and makeup are great, but those manly shoulders and muscular arms are best covered up.

I love the material of Kate's dress. It moves when she does.

"Imagine. Washing your dirty linen in public. How tacky and vulgar. I am NOT amused."

Still nothing on W&K on DM website. Had it been Meghan, they would have pictures up in seconds. Goes to show who matters the most.

R86 MM had clothes made for him and not just for the wedding. That fat gambler bought the wedding suit and wore it to Ascot. Pa Markle's name was printed on the order of service or whatever it's called.

"Are you blind? You call them manly shoulders and masculine arms? What am I chopped liver? No one can even come close to me. I win the prize for those physical attributes and don't you forget it."

Negatives first. I think Kate's dialling it in. You could write the copy for many of her red carpet moments beforehand by saying "Grecian-inspired gown." You only need to wait for the colour.

Positives: Kate looks great. The dress is beautiful and it looks beautiful on her. Lovely updo. Her face is looking "refreshed." All in all a successful look.

For those not in the US, bankruptcy does not discharge student debt . The creditors are now trying to go after the estates of the students' grandparents after they die.

There is massive student debt. There are no jobs after graduation except McDonald's or othet minimum wage jobs like home carers or retail shop clerks.

Negative first because I prefer to end on a positive.

R96 = too stupid to post here.

DM headlines: "Kate outshines A-List Stars as she stuns..." "Kate dazzles at Baftas" etc...

R100 There's always Starbucks: the number one choice of English majors and theatre grads

R102 cannot read... click on the “kate dazzles headline”, and it takes you to “BAFTAs 2019: Rachel Weisz oozes glamour in a frothy ruffled gown as she joins glamorous Amy Adams and Margot Robbie on star-studded red carpet” - no mention of “Kate the Great”! Carole’s check must have not cleared yet.

R104 - and you cannot see. I see Kate with her white dress on. The earlier photos were of the actors, later photos will be of Kate. Duh.

"Yah, well, I am off to Morocco! Who wants to stay in freezing rainy Britain anyway?"

The “student debt crisis” is really a “vanishing middle class” crisis.

It’s true that tuition costs have skyrocketed. That is a problem, but not as much of the problem as people would have you believe.

If you say people can’t afford to save for children’s college while maintaining a middle class lifestyle, then they are not middle class to begin with.

There is still a middle class in the US. It takes about $250k / year household income in the suburbs of a large city. So, it’s a much smaller number of people than it used to be. That is the real problem.

All the focus on college costs obscures the real conversation— the vanishing middle class. If people would get realistic about this, you’d see more social unrest.

R106 - you're OFF YOUR ROCKER is more like it. Oh and you live in freezing rainy Britain now bitch so get used to it.

R104 The DM has updated the headline and a few photos but hasn't done much with the story. The DM isn't really helping the Cambridges outshine the Sussexes tonight. On a weekend when the Sussexes had over 17K in DM comments I don't think there's much Kate can do to top that. Carole and Kate are old hands at this business, they'll launch their salvo another day.

The Cambridges don't have to do much except show up up looking good. The Sussexes are digging themselves in a hole deeper by the day.

R105 now there is a photo on the DM’a front page, but the top photo inside the article is still of Rachel Weisz... probably hard to find a good photo of Kate, the poor thing is headed for the Jolie-like state of emaciation.

I like Kate’s dress and I think she looks beautifully put together.

But, she’s way too thin to be wearing sleeveless. She looks unhealthy.

Must be tough fact to Meghan not attending Baftas because she was actress, not popular nor famous but nevertheless actress. Instead Kate and Will are attending. Shows who will get all the important events to attend.

R109 - 17K comments is a First World Problem and one that Kate doesn't need or want I should imagine.

Comments, likes, follows, clicks, upward anddownward arrows etc... doesn't necessarily mean a good thing as is the case of Sparkle and her trash family woes. But I guess a Hollywood attention whore believes that any publicity is better than no publicity at all. Carry on.

I think Meghan is probably furious that Kate is getting such positive attention. Meghan's articles get more comments, but a huge proportion of the comments are negative.

R113 - I think they're attending because Will is Patron or something. They've attended the Baftas multiple times in the past.

It took so long to update because they were researching the cost of her shoes and the provenance of her earrings... Nothing more substantial to report on Kate.

R114 All 20 of the BRF threads have been about aristo problems. Who are you, the Darfur Orphan?

lol r118.

FFS Kate is not too skinny. Yes she's thin but to say she's too skinny or verging on anorexic is ridiculous. She has muscle tone unlike true anorexics. She only looks "too thin" because most people are fat or obese and we no longer see thin people as normal variance body type or healthy.

She’s..... sinewy. That doesn’t look good in a gown. Ok for gym gear, though.

Where are all the comments about Will being shoved into the background? He isn't mentioned in the DM story and they've cropped him out of the homepage images.

He looks so homely now. And a tad overweight. Doesn't make a pretty picture.

R122 - don't you know that DM concentrates their attention on dazzling Duchesses, ample assets and baby bumps??? Men are just an afterthought except if they're showing off their muscles, wrecking a hotel or punching out someone's lights.

The stunning entrance of Kate down the stair of Royal Albert Hall.

Must say, nearly all of those BAFTA looks are frightful. What were they thinking? Edith Bowman, I'm looking at you.

R124 True. I'm just waiting for the pearl clutchers to spin it into a conspiracy devised by Mega, Kate or Carole.

I also fully expect zoomed-in images of Kate's bust highlighting the boning of her undergarment as evidence of irregularly shaped nips.

The Cambridge arrival as they mount the stairs and then greet people in line.

Gorgeous R125 - She looks like a movie star of old. Who is the lady walking in front of them? I wish she wasn’t.

The back of Kate's dress is as lovely as the front.

Marlene says the fact the The Queen put ME as the patron of the national theater (or whatever it is) is not insignificant. Keep in mind Marlene has a history of deep conservativism, Christian fanaticism, and dislike of some of the royal ladies.

R131 - Who is Marlene?

Royal historian, authoress, and blogger Marlene Eilees Koenig. Preeminent authority of royalty.

Someone has deciphered what Kate and William said as they entered the Hall.

Kate: "So quiet".

Will: "We tried to be very quick".

Kate's white dress is from Alexander McQueen and her shoes are from Jimmy Choo.

The BRF will let this mess continue forever, MM's blatant merching included. Prince Charles' order that the four make nice at Xmas gave the game away. Harry and Meghan have been destructive, infantile and manipulative, but instead of dealing with it, Prince Charles makes William and Kate suck it up and cover for them.

Perhaps Wills needs to tell Dad to fuck off? What can Charles really do to him?

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What the hell is on top of her head?

R139 She's a mermaid. That's the net.

The DM continues to mine the Markle letter for more headlines. Now it's baiting Samantha.

[quote] Your other daughter, who I barely know': How Meghan tried to distance herself from sister Samantha Markle after accusing her father of siding with her sibling in extraordinary letter.

I hope when Sam responds she's recreated this look from Christmas 2018.

Thanks, R25. Just set my DVR. PBS is also showing Victoria & Albert: The Wedding.

Just saw this on NY1, Prince Phillip is giving up his driver's license...about time!

Not sure if it's been posted.

R143. But he can still drive on their private estates.

R96 - It's there now, in spades.

R137 - What can Charles do to William? He an, for starters, pull the plug on that handsome supplemental income he provides each year. He can leak nasty stories about William and nice ones about Harry, out of spite. He can casually mention that just as William's Mum did, Charles will be leaving each son a nice trust when he kicks the bucket - provided they behave.

If Pa Markle was not an attentive, involved father (as described by Sparkle's teacher) but rather (as posted by some above) either an alcoholic or drug using/drug dealer then that means that Saint Doria was content to let her darling daughter live with and be raised primarily by an alcoholic or druggie / drug dealing father.

Hardly the actions of a caring, attentive parent.

If his traits were as bad as some are theorizing, then Doria should have taken Sparkle to live with her.

BTW, given her past blogging posts about her father and how wonderful he was, what did Sparkle blog about her mother?

R117 - Yes, and that's the point. They don't have controversial cheap celebrity shit to report on Kate, and that's the way the BRF like it. That's the name of this game: don't upset the applecart - Remember the Romanovs.

Kate doesn't feed the DM the way the Markles - all of them, including the pampered Duchess pretending to be a martyr - do.

That's what she's doing right: not giving them anything juicy to talk about.

Her mother was in a cult, that was her priority.

R147, I’m not a Doria fan. She seems shady (cult, failed dress shop, yoga instructor (!), bankruptcy.)

Sparkle annoys the living shit out of me, but I understand her neediness and love of attention. She had two dysfunctional freaks as parents.

Also, r147 seems to imply that criticism of Thomas equals an automatic endorsement of Doria.

I don’t understand this.

I've missed any links to evidence that Doria was in a cult. Were they posted in the Tendrils threads?

R152 Doria and Thomas used some cult's property for their wedding in 1979 so obviously she was in the cult. It's like saying you posted a picture of yourself touring Windsor Castle so clearly you're part of the BRF.

R151 Any criticism of Thomas = support for Doria = Meghan sugar = Kate hater. That's the general formula. The Mega maniacs have a similar formula.

Why would anyone support Sam? She’s got no dogs in this battle, except probabky medical debt that she wants to pay off with salicious stories. Last laugh is on any of her enemies though, because she ain’t never getting of that chair.

SKY News late night report had section on the latest Markle Private Letter Scandal, with big bits of the letter shown onscreen behind the newscaster.

Just the sort of PR the BRF hoped for when it let Harry marry Sparkle - discussions of her relationship with her father with her handwritten missive on the screen.

The DM is one thing, but reputable news outlets picking up the story?

My father was a horrible father, but often (very showily) portrayed the good dad at school events.

If Sparkle’s blog and a teacher’s 25-year-old superficial dealings are all the evidence we have that Thomas was a great father, I’ll take that with a grain of salt.

He himself admits most of their time together was spent on the set of a raunchy show that probably wasn’t the best environment. That’s the best he could do as a father?

Also worth considering: why did Sparkle go to Northwestern? If she got in there, she could have gotten into USC and stayed closer to her beloved father and made more connections. No, she wanted to go far away. Mmmmm.

R148 "Remember the Romanovs." The BRF have little to fear from Mega and Harry if the Romanovs are your case study. The BRF should be more concerned about the stories that William doesn't want to be king and Kate's previous workshy habit. Lazy Kate is now the Duchess of Dynamism so that's one less thing to worry about. Britain is not at war or facing attacks on civil liberties and press freedom. It is in the grips of political unrest but unlike Tsarist Russia, none of this is the fault of the monarch since the crown has effectively been neutered. The Queen's call for unity is to be applauded even if it is self-interested: a people who can thrown off the EU may also have a mind to throw off the monarchy. The popularity ratings of the British royals suggests they need not sit up at night considering the bloody fate of their cousins.

I think things will be quite different when Charles takes over. (Shudder.)

No, R153.

Sparkle had 2 parents.

Posters are speculating that her father was an alcoholic or druggie or drug dealer.

One doesn't have to be in either camp to ask why her mother would allow her to live with her father if this was true.

It's a fair question.

Flinging accusations about her father and then getting prickly when pointing out what the flip side of that coin was should those accusations be true is not at all even handed.

People equate Doria's silence with being dignified. But I think there's more to her silence than dignity, perhaps the less she inserts herself into the story, the less people start inquiring about reasons why she left TM to be sole caretaker of Meghan in a sizable chunk of formative years growing up. A while ago I think the idea was floated out that Meghan and Harry wanted Doria to go live with them and be active in raising the baby. But then DM commenters were overwhelmingly negative and questioning Doria's iffy past. More unanswered questions and sketchy stories full of holes. Then the idea seemingly disappeared and Doria refused RF's Xmas invitations, she stayed low profile seemingly for her own interest more than anything else. Flip side is TM also hasn't said reasons why Doria was missing during those years, he's tightlipped about that as opposed to his relationship with Meghan.

R157 - I wasn't being literal about the Romanovs. It's been mentioned here before, but the closer the royals get to celebrity, the less royal they appear, and the more people will start thinking, "Why bother? We've already got the Kardashians."

The BRF has survived quite a bit, but irrelevancy is the one thing that could finish them off. Kate's "laziness" and William's "abivalence" aren't the problem. But Meghan Markle's sleazy celebrity dramas are far more dangerous. They should have gotten the message from her grabbing the Vanity Fair cover article a year befofre the engagement that they were dealing with a ruthless famewhore.

They may survive Meghan and the Markles, too, But the fact remains, she isn't what they need if they want to keep the institution on safer ground.

Meghan is making Kate look like Princess Perfect.

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Better Doria's silence R160, than the shameless chav greedy grasping cunt that is Carole Middleton.

R161 It's easy to dismiss a wayward royal. See Edward VII, Andrew and Margaret for recent examples. An unwilling and lazy king and queen consort is a much more problematic issue IMO. If Meghan makes Kate look like Princess Perfect then she's helped the BRF already because that was not the prevailing view of Kate prior to Meghan's arrival. Kate has also been spurred into action it seems and that bodes well for the family's future.

R162 - Nice try, but in fact those other hardworking actors and their accomplishments are all over. William is the Patron of the BAFTAS. I very much doubt a few snaps of Kate in her beautiful McQueen gown have removed all eyes from the BAFTA winners, who appear liberally in the DM's article using Kate as a headliner.

She also isn't standing in front of the rest of them while her husband peeps over the shoulders of some nameless nobodies in the third row, whilst Kate occupied front and centre.

R163 - Carole Middleton remained silent for most of her daughter's relationship with Wiilliam. She gave only two interviews, both in the last year, after Kate and William had been married for years and had three children.

And what do we have here with "shameless chav"? The typical British distaste for someone from the lower classes who worked hard and made it into another class?

That wicked woman - if she had any decency, she'd have raised her three children in the council house environment Carole was born in .

How dare she aim higher?!

Shameless chav.

R184 - Oh ffs, stop with the "unwilling" King and lazy Queen. The scenario is already shifting, and it's quite obvious that both William and Kate are up for their jobs.

No one has the slightest idea what William really thinks now. Kate's doing quite well. They aren't a problem for the BRF - but the sleazy L.A. famewhore dropping names through her friends in a shameless self-promoting article that paints her as a virtua saint?!

I wonder if the Queen has called her Archishiop to apologise yet?

R165 I agree that Kate brings star power to an event. I'm gently tut-tutting at those who find fault in everything the royal women do. Mega standing in a row of people isn't going to diminish their accomplishments any more than a close up of Kate's dress will.

R166 Please follow the thread before you start FFSing. The original discussion was about linking the Romanovs to the current situation. Tsar Nicholas II was an unwilling and unprepared monarch. My post noted the similarity to some of William's previous statements and that the views of the monarch are way more important that those of his brother (or any other royals for that matter). It also pointed out that there are so many differences that the case doesn't fit the current state of Britain.

Also see R151 R153. One can be critical of Kate and William's previous behaviour without being supportive of Mega's current behaviour. Sophie Wessex did more engagements when James was in his first year than Kate has done in some years when she's not pregnant. William and Kate have been an abysmal waste of public funds for more than half of the 7 years of their marriage. They did not take the job seriously and did very little. That seems to have changed, which has been noted and applauded.

R147, we are quite capable of giving the side eye to both of Meghan’s parents.

But Doria isn’t the one squawking to the press twice a day. So, Thomas will normally come up more frequently. Not sure why you find this confusing.

I like Kate's BAFTA outfit.

I think it's unpleasant for the Daily Mail readers to speculate about Doria's past. She didn't ask for any of this, she didn't choose to become Prince Harry's mother-in-law, and she hasn't sold any stories to the media. The very people who are speculating that her silence is suspicious would probably castigate her for getting ideas above her station if she dared to give any interviews.

He plays one role in her PR strategy, Doria another. It is all orchestrated by MeAgain and her team.

Surprised to see the letter scandal made the evening news here in the US. This is never going to go away now.

R170, I don't agree. I think DM readers are suspicious of Meghan favoring her mom with regards to introducing her to Harry before engagement and involving her in wedding. Quite a contrast to her dad. Yet her dad was the one who cared for her in those formative years. Don't get me wrong, the dad doesn't come off as a saintly parent but neither does Doria. So when Doria is put out by RF "sources" as moving there to help look after the baby, readers rightly raised some glaring questions that Meghan (nor TM) never addressed.

Taylor Swift is at the BAFTAs in Stella McCartney.

FFS Meghan, everyone else seems to get making the nod to British design when in 🇬🇧 - how can you be so blind? The advancement and promotion of British interest and business is your job. It’s like the Chair for “Keep It Local” being papped 90% of the time shopping at Wal-Mart.

Wow... the father is really a cretin tbh. Yeah he was there years ago, but something went haywire since. You do NOT sell private letters from your kid. And the idea that MM assumed he would and wrote the letter as such nuts—it’s just people trying to rationalize a pretty despicable act.

It is orchestrated R175, he is part of her PR plan as is Samantha.

For me it’s the “daddy” and the over the top handwriting on display that makes me think she figured it’d see publication one day.

I don’t believe he was previously “my daddy” or “dear daddy” in her earlier press — so it feels very “see how a devoted, adoring daughter I am,” as adult women using “daddy” for their father is pretty uncommon. Especially more so since the term’s been so sexualized.

R174 - Swiftie was there because her current English Actor Boyfriend was there - I saw him interviewed on the red carpet. He played the aristo Abigrail marries to get herself into society.

Have we done any threads on whether this, too, is one of Swiftie's English Bearding Escapades?

she fully expected him to release it. c'mon, who are we kidding. The whole family has zero class, including her.

The letter was written with careful wording chosen for effect and for intended audience of millions. She keeps digging herself deeper in to a hole, the more things she does to show us what a genuine person she is, the more she comes off as fake, overreaching basic bitch who thinks of herself as epitome of style, class, and good taste. She clearly does not possess any of those innate qualities. Some of us see through this type of women because we've had experience dealing with them.

R175 - I get where you're coming from but really - by the time she wrote that letter she KNEW he was selling her and her matrimonial coup for filthy lucre. It's like everything else she does - it reeks of Editorial and Rewrite. It reads as if it was meant to be made public. Why not call him, instead? She HAD to know she was taking risk writing to him and leaving a written record. Remember, this is the woman who broke the cardinal rule about dating royals, especially British ones: never talk to the press about the relationship. Yet Meghan grabbed that Vanity Fair cover before the engagement was announced. She just couldn't resist finally getting the kind of coverage that she'd never been able to get for herself before she met Harry.

So put nothing past her.

There's so much wrong here on all sides, that's what's so bizarre about it. That's why it's so extraordinary that the BRF has been so jpassive and just laid down in front of her steamroller determination without a protest. Except, it appears, for William - the only one to take his brother aside and urge caution and questioning.

And now William and Harry are estranged. She plays the victim but she's a destroyer.

She reminds me of the Gene Tierney character in "Leave Her to Heaven".

R177 It's not "uncommon" for adults to use Daddy to address their father. It's not the most common form of address but it's in the mix. R117 isn't the first poster to say it sounds unusual.

In my limited experience, white North Americans ( especially in the North East) find this more sexualized or childish than other sections of the society. Southerners seem to have a variety of words for parents as do Black Americans, whether they're from the south or other parts of the country.

For the Americans on the thread, does anyone else know of adults who use the term mommy and daddy? Just curious.

Pardon the typo 117 above. It should be 177

I am from Texas and I call my dad "daddy" if I'm talking to him or my mom, but I wouldn't use it in other situations. I am pretty sure George W. Bush did the same. It is common in the South but not elsewhere. It seems slightly odd that a woman from California would do it. It could very well be an affectation.

R182 - I think it's more common amongst grown daughters than sons; it's a level of affectionate address that's acceptable in daughters but less so in sons. I know women who call their fathers "Daddy" but the men I know say, "Dad".

In the south it’s usually “Mama” and “”Daddy.”

If Meghan Markle were southern, however, she would no doubt use “Mother” and “Daddy.”

That’s what the hardcore climbers say in the south. They usually have one foot still in the textile mill, but want you to think they’re terribly grand.

Thanks for the responses. As adults we rarely hear our friends or colleagues talking to their parents so we often don't know what anyone else says outside of our own family. Names for grandparents are even more varied I would assume because of immigration, either from another country or from another part of the US.

I'm pretty sure she knew he'd sell the letter to the tabloids. He's sold everything else to them.

What r99 said.

Agree r188. How else to explain that ridiculous handwriting.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when Philip was told he had to stop driving.

What R98 said.

R95 you are talking about a family that is weak and can't control shit. It came out that Meghan was rude to Charlotte, made Kate cry, has been dropping unflattering blinds about Kate left and right, it all comes out in the tabloids including in the London Times, and what does Charles do? Forces the Cambridges to forgo their comfortable Xmas at the Middletons and make nice with the Sussexes. He forced the Cambridges to enable them. The BRD, including Queenie, sweeps shit under the rug, and Charles will neer ever EVER rein poor poor Harry in, which means Meghan will never be reined in. It's obvious that the BRF is smoke and mirrors. When someone calls their bluff, as MM has, breaks every rule (merching her ass off, flouting protocol, trashing her sister-in-law in blinds), they roll over. They have one method of handling problem members - keep trying until the problem member gets it right. They abhor an admission of an actual problem. They're complete enablers.

What did Meghan say about Kate in blinds?

R194 and R193 - The family denied the story about Charlotte at the wedding rehearsal, although they never denied others. Meghan dropped a story about Kate refusing to giver her a lift shopping to her great friend, Lainey, before the wedding, and a couple of other rude innuendoes about the Cambridge kids being spoiled and when the news came out that they were moving to Frogmore Cottage, Harry and Meghan acted as if it was exactly what they wanted and put it about that they didn't want their children growing up "in the fishbowl of Kensington Palace", a bit of a dig at the Cambridges. They want THEIR kids not to have titles and not to live in KP so they can have "normal lives".

And of course they'll get their wish.

Lets talk about Samantha in her Depends

Megs’s intimations that she wants to “keep it real” with her kids makes me very uneasy.

Her kids WILL be born royal. She was not. Is she going to resent that and vonstantly seek to take her kids down a peg or two?

That’s what a true narcissist parent would do— particularly one from the lower social ckasses. It’s very dysfunctional and trashy. But very common.

Sorry for typos. My cat typed my message at r197.

No one is commenting how you can clearly see Kate’s bra wiring through her dress? I guess it’s only bad when Meghan does it.

Kate looks great, but she also look-a like-a man.

You know I’m right.

Gross

The Duchess of Cambridge was damn near flawless in her tailored to perfection Grecian gown. I was meh about her for the longest time but she's earned her stripes 7+ years married w/ three happy kids to show. Gurl knocked it out of the park at the BAFTAs.

(Is MEgs crying as she clutches her Givenchys and Oscar de la Rentas and pesters Harry why didn't he get the patronage instead of William?)

Even if Sister Sam was sane, by all accounts, she and Megs were last in the same room in 2008. And they're almost 20 years apart in age. What could she POSSIBLY have left to say that's worth paying 100k?

[quote] What could she POSSIBLY have left to say that's worth paying 100k?

Receipts from Pa's checking account made out to Northwestern?

The story about Sparkle's annulled first marriage?

Oh FFS R204. A father paying for college is no big deal and the "first marriage" is about as believable as Obama's birth certificate. Even when you annul a marriage, there's evidence.

R199 I commented that Kate’s bosom was a little too perky, just like at her wedding.

Good god, Pa Markle paying for college passes for a scandal?!?!

Give me an abortion! A love child! A coke habit!

Ok, I’ll even settle for a three-way, as boring as that is.

But college tuition?!?!

What the FUCK is wrong with you retarded millenials?

Yeah r203, I agree. MM fan I am not but even I think no the Samantha stuff is ridiculous. Half siblings born that far apart, Hell even full siblings with that spread, typically know nothing about each other outside of family gossip.

At that age, Sam was well on her own way when Meghan arrived. She was an adult, she wasn’t even the 11 year old stuck babysitting all the time. It’s very unlikely she knows anything about Meghan really. She probably thinks she does, but in reality, she doesn’t.

The fact is that Tom did make sacrifices to fund MM's schooling and university, freeing her from having to work her way though uni or be saddled with a large debt. Why shouldn't that be acknowledged?

The scandals that would really make people sit up and take notice would be confirmations of MM yachting, escorting and casting couching.

Because, r209, that is THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM one can do as a parent.

Do you go to parties and brag about having indoor plumbing?!

Jesus Christ, you hillbillies are thick.

Also, R209, you are talking out of your ass. You have no proof Tom paid for uni. By all accounts he had squandered his money by then. (Read Morton’s book.)

LOL R211

Yes sure a parent may feel obliged to pay for university, but not necessarily an expensive private out of state one, or private school. And considering the mountain of student debt in the US, many parents do not pay for higher education.

(1) Many poor kids go to uni in the US. They take out student loans.

(2) (1) has little to do with Sparkle, whose father had a good union job making 300-350k /year in the late 1990s. (Morton.)

(3) interestingly, tuition at Northwestern hasn’t changed dramatically since the early 90s. Was about $35k then, is about 40k now, 30 years later.

R215 should say “is about 50k now, almost 30 years later.”

HOLY FUCK. Yes, this is how it's done, Meghan.

Perfection. Absolute fucking perfection.

Give the girl a sandwich.

I have to disagree with the posters who continually pick on her weight; I think Kate looks fit, healthy, and beautiful. Perhaps it is y'all who need to step away from the sandwiches.

Yes. Fit, healthy, beautiful. Which is why she looks like a 10 in those long, foamy chiffon gowns. She wears them as well as Grace Kelly wore hers. and that's saying something. Not even Amal does the evening gown competition better.

Kate is athletic. Her forearms are quite developed, probably from carrying her children. So there is something off when she wears evening gowns which show her bare shoulders.

She looks like a movie star. The makeup is perfection, and she’s wearing Di’s earrings.

Doria knows her own daughter to well . She knows Meghan is a narcissist and ruthless . You don’t find it odd that you don.t see Doria very much in Britain . Only a few times that’s it . She doesn’t like to spend time with Meghan . . Nor will she stay very long at Frogmore Cottage when the baby is born . It s very chilly between these two . She could easily come and visit Meghan in the UK isn’t it ? But have you seen her ? Doria doesn’t want people to investigate her because they would find out she is not a saint . Why you think Meghan was with her dad during the week and only in the weekend with her mother . Odd isn’t it . If she would love her daughter so much she would have her daughter with her during the week also . And visit her more often now she is pregnant and married .But she doesn’t . And for the poster who thinks Samantha can’t give secrets she can provide the receits that Thomas was indeed paying for her Northwestern university and after that also . Markle claims she worked herself to pay for that university money . No she didn’t . The only thing she did was work 10 years first in Hwood and after that in Toronto and that’s it . And she will make sure she doesn’t sure she doesn’t have to work again in her life .

Hoorah for Kate and William . She looked amazing last night . That kind of gown is very good for her !

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Why did Doria change her last name from Radlan to Ragland?

If people are still wondering if Meghan deserves all the leaks and criticisms aimed at her behavior, look no further than this post on Royal Dish. Read the screen capture from a post on Quora. It describes Meghan's "I will do whatever I want to do" attitude. Very off-putting indeed.

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I don’t think Meghan realized she was getting golden handcuffs.

Meghan is not the only woman in England who has a "relationship" with God.Bafta winner Letitia Wright who spent her whole acceptance speech thanking God 125 times and telling the audience to trust in God 75 times often talks about her "relationship" with God.

No matter what comes out, no matter what anyone says or shares, there's nothing that can convince me that Meghan is the bad guy here. Her father has repeatedly sold her out, including sharing an extremely personal letter, and it doesn't matter what she may or may not have done, there is no excuse for a father to sell his child out in international media channels, for a profit. All eyes point right back to Daddy Markle, and he's clearly a completely loser of a guy. I feel terribly sorry for her and Harry both.

R232 hold that thought.

It's always about Kate vs. Meghan (or Team Kate vs. Team Meghan). I think it's the trouble is between the royal brothers William and Harry. It's a double standard now about their fashion choices.

Personally, I think both of these off shoulder dresses looked fine. What I didn't like about Meghan's outfit is the black dress (black again), the black nail polish (tacky and juvenile) and the excessive tummy cupping.

I would guess that Thomas Markle would have already produced receipts himself if they, in fact exist.

R228 - I guess that may be the reason that her female bodyguard left after such a short time.

Someone has been reading DL. Meghan is a "covert narcissist".

R232 - I think all of the Markles are horrid (and that includes Meghan). They all feed off each other's dysfunction.

What I find funny about that Quora post detailing Meghan's terrible attitude and behavior towards her security team is the fact that she thinks she has fans. Does she really believe her "fans" are there to see her, Meghan Markle, instead of the institution she represents? Delusion meets narcissism, no other way to describe it. And how dumb is she to not realize that staff members DO talk, more than ever now due to the wide availability of media outlets for them to vent. Does she expect her rude treatment of staff will never see the light of day? They've been leaking stuff about her awful personality and behavior since day one, and you can bet more stuff will be coming out. If she can be rude to the Queen, Kate, Eugenie, etc....how do you think she treats staff?

More and more the Duchess of Cambridge is proving an iron hand in a velvet glove. The Duchess of Cambridge was perfection at the BAFTAs but I didn't realize until I saw that pic above it was also a photo negative (in a sense) of MEghan's one shoulder number at the fashion awards. BAAAAAD duchess in black, good princess in white. The optics could infer the commentary, "this is how it's done sweetheart." MEgs I could see pulling a passive-aggressive stunt to one up, but Kate possibly showing claws has me swaying, Yaaaaasss bitch!!!

R229 - One piece of opportunistic trash defending another, LOL.

I'm sure Meghan and the BRF really appreciated that support!

Tessy is gasping her last breaths trying desperately to stay relevant in the world of royals. If you know her story you realize she is a pitiable creature and probably the last person any royal member would want defending them.

Although I'm sure MEgs has already started to anonymously follow Tessy on IG and Twitter under Sparkle's purported many super secret false identity social media accounts.

R224 - I agree. Doria's relationship with Meghan has survived, I truly believe, because Doria has been wise enough to keep her distance and her mouth shut. For all their highly touted "closeness", Doria did not, as the tabs all trumpeted, show up for Christmas and has been seen only once, at the second HUB kitchen photo op, when MM's pregnancy had just become news.

Other than that, she's been invisible.

R240 I noticed the "Glinda the good witch" move right away. Reminded me of something I read long ago, that Diana would wear pink when she want public approval or sympathy.

R237, that particular side-by-side is pretty remarkable.

The power of image.... it's become accessible to everyone in the Age of Instagram.

Yes, saw the side by side.

The comparison would be more reasonable if one of them was not doing that stupid over and under cradling.

For that. She loses.

R246 I was referring to the side-by-side of Meghan and Diana in Africa, but yes, Kate and Meghan in bare-shoulder gowns is striking, too. I read that Kate added the floral flourish to her gown - perhaps to make the comparison not *quite* so stark?

Kate looked good. She is so fortunate to have those shoulders -- was she a swimmer? And her weight is fine, as gauged by her very small rib cage circumference. As time goes on, an average person looses shoulder strength, but an athlete tends to keep a lot of it. Since clothing falls FROM THE SHOULDERS, it's one if the big reasons besides her height that she looks so good in everything.

I agree R246. There is nothing inherently wrong in my opinion of what MEghan wore to the fashion awards, and ordinarily I would genuinely approve of her look, but she has something ugly and cold in her eyes and how self-absorbed she conducts herself that it practically taints all her efforts.

The embellishment was wise forethought. Less MEghan's black gown look plus it softened the definition of Kate's sculpted shoulders and simultaneously echoed the airy flowiness of the skirt's movement.

R240, they are both princesses, and duchesses. By courtesy of marrying princes who became dukes.

Princess Tessy? Oh my sides. ME needs better people in her corner than her.

R250 - Agree, the embellishment added some dimension at the top so the frilly bottom didn't dominate overmuch.

Personally, although I think Meghan's dress at the fashion awards events was perfectly nice, the incessant wearing of black really is biting the hand that is feeding her. There's a point to the protocol: when someone dies or at Remembrance Day, the black means something. As opposed to, Oh, there's Meghan in black again. She really doesn't grasp the institutional landscape.

And black doesn't even look that great on her. She looks much better in colours - the coral, mid-blue, white, etc., that she wore on the Down Under tour looked much better on her than the black does.

She thinks it makes her look elegant. Actually, it makes her look sallow.

I think a father should never sell out his own child to gossip rags and TMZ. Sorry, he should have instinctual loyalty even if ME caused him grief. That speaks volumes to me about who he is. ME isn’t getting off the hook from me for her misadventures, but that father of hers is despicable. It would appear that nothing will satisfy Pa and Sam. I would bet that if they get a hand written letter from Her Majesty and a promise of a yearly stipend far beyond what they could earn on their own with the stipulation that they be silent, those two idiots would run to the press and blow the deal. Such trash.

Oh please, Meg is a whore. Harry is a stupid cunt. Both deserve each other. Harry is gonna be (may already be) fucking other whores ex gfs very soon.

He picked a common whore. no class. Whole family is trash.

The father is doing the world a service, telling the world this is the way she treats her own blood. She doesn't care about anyone except herself. Don't be a fool.

Meghan's worst, most cringeworthy moment was at that fashion award. She was at her peak narcissistic form with that black gown and cradling her stomach. All of the photos including that selfie that was later taken down, showed Meghan at her attention-seeking worst. I agree that gown would've look good on anyone else but her cold eyes and calculating actions that evening lessen that dress's fashion impact.

Common knowledge R251. The point was striking a contrast between the superior example and her inferior comparison (hence the utilization of both their courtesy titles) .

R255 - I must unfortunately agree. Whilst there are quite a few startling parallels between Diana and Meghan (narcissism and a persona anchored to externals, the ghosting pattern, the penchant for lying and believing one's lies, the capacity for momentary charm), and the trajectory of both marriages (not enough time spent together, one facade before the wedding a swift turnabout after the wedding, lots of drama, and the husband fading rapidly under the wife's domination of the public space), Diana at least was inexperienced and by all odds a virgin when Charles married her. Meghan really was a whore - she's been using men for advancement for twenty years. Diana didn't sleep with any man but Charles until her marriage broke down

Please. Harry has shown the world who he really is by his choice of a wife. He's just as shallow and hungry for fame, public adoration as she is. Problem is whether both will fade into the limelight once the Cambridge children are older and getting more public interest. Knowing Meghan, she'd probably drum up some bullshit drama just to keep her name out there. To celebrity wannabes even bad press is preferable to being forgotten. But will she last that long in the marriage?

Attention-seeking worst you say? The moment at 3:15 should be played on a loop. Clare Waight Keller opens her mouth to speak, over-the-top cupping commences.

R240 - Yes, coming on the heels of a terrible PR week, with Meghan's disastrous attempt to portray herself as a misunderstood saint that brought jeers in the UK, followed by the Great Letter Reveal, Kate showing up looking perfect in white probably wasn't a coincidence.

As she did with so much else about the BRF and her real place in it, Meghan vastly underestimated Kate and Kate's shrewd understanding of the BRF and HER place in it, and how it plays with the public.

With another appalling week of PR behind the BRF, salvaged by Kate's appearance at the BAFTAS, what is the BRF thinking? Are they really going to let this go on forever?

I think Meg is a mess, but you'd have a hard time convincing me she's worse than her dad and his family.

Her sister's been pulling a Fatal Attraction since Meghan became famous (for dating Harry, because nobody watches Suits)

They pretty much have to put up with everything while Meghan is pregnant and Harry is still starry-eyed over her. After the kid(s) are born and Harry gets bored, then the real claws will come out. The Firm has a very long memory.

gdddz

R264 - Suspect your guess is correct. Meghan won't allow herself to be forced out until she has two kids and can secure her title and a tidy settlement. By then, perhaps the drama will have died down and she'll only leave out of boredom. But the tarnishing their brand took will last quite a bit longer. She made them look toothless and spineless, whilst they allowed her to take British taxpayer money. Not a good look - after Diana, you'd have thought they'd have figured it out.

You’d think after Fergie’s foibles the palace courtiers would have some sort of training guidelines for princesses marrying in.

R266 Yes, Meghan will only leave after getting a title and a huge divorce settlement. She'll still go around being introduced as a duchess and mother of Diana's grandchildren. By then her dad will likely be dead and Sam in poor health, so she can spin her story however she wants. She'll ingratiate herself to American media as an expert on BRF with secrets to tell, after she writes a self-serving book and goes on media blitz basking in attention. She'll reshape her persona as a survivor, she's the American Diana who survived the BRF. After all that attention-whoring, she'll settle in L..A., maybe Brentwood, Malibu, or Beverly Hills. She'll keep her name in the news by teasing at acting career comeback, dating celebrities, resuming her social media presence (merching out in open), and attending Hollywood celebrity events. That is really her dream life, not life as a wife of the 6th in line, living on country estate away from London while Kate and her kids get all the attention there.

R267 - Perhaps the whole process is far less organised than anyone would have supposed. It's the veneer of "permission" that disguises the fact that they're just helpless relatives like the kind you find in any family wringing their hands privately when Sonny brings home the wrong GF.

"Hey, Chuck - Andy here: what's up with your son and that trashy actress whore? Tell me he isn't planning to marry her, Please! What?! Are you fucking serious?! What do you mean, what do I expect you to do about it?! Jesus - just tell the boy NO. Yes, I know it's easier said than done - hey, you want me to draft the talking points for you?!"

"Hey - Ed - Andy here. Just talked to Charles, you're not gonna believe this, but his idiot son is planning to marry that sleazy actress. Yes, yes - got it straight from the horse's mouth. What do you mean, does Mum know? I guess - Charles must have told her something. Oh, you know, probably her usual 'I never interfere in my children's private lives.' Say, do you have Anne's number? I seem to have lost it."

This has been a horror show because Harry was rumored to have told people, "whatever Meg wants, Meg gets" and coupled with her " i do what the fuck I want" attitude...also do I suspect that she uses her race card. Others fear appearing to be racist if they don't do what she wants etc...

R269, hilarious, may you please come up with more of these in the future?

R271 - Thanks, I'll try.

R270 - I doubt that was "just" a rumour. No one has ever denied it and it showed up, I think, in excerpt's in the DM of Robert Jobson's recent biography, "Charles at 70".

No one ever contradicted it.

Yes, r273, it's in the new bio and it was also printed in the Sunday Times without a peep of denial.

I wonder about that “whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets” remark. There are various ways it could have been delivered by Harry. An imperious bellow? A calmly serious instruction? A lighthearted semi-joke? “Wink wink lads, she’s the bride, do what the lady says.” Several interpretations are possible. Did the book say? The author should have specified the tone.

How much we see SohoBebe all over the press as it grows up will tell everything about who MM and Harry really are.

Most people outside of Great Britain, have no idea who Zara Phillips is unless they’re royal watchers. The public is more familiar with Beatrice and Eugenie, but that is because their parents couldn’t keep themselves out of the press and Fergie and Andrew both wanted the perks of fame/celebrity. Anne didn’t want that and put her money where her mouth was, so to speak.

It won’t be as easy for Harry & Meghan as it was for Anne (because of the internet age, Diana connection, etc.), however, it can be done. There are plenty of super papped celebrities who make a concentrated effort to keep their children’s exposure minimal.

If Harry and Meghan really want to be as off the radar and “normal” as they claim, you’ll be able to tell by how much the baby is put out there. If there are People spread exclusives and a sort of one-upping starts (Louis is photographed playing with a stick pony so Soho is suddenly petting horses at the Kentucky Derby), it’ll tell you everything about Harry and Meghan. Which is fine, it’s their kid and their right to stage parent if they want — it will more just show the talking out of both sides of their mouth garbage.

Evidently it wasn't well received. Megan demanded a tiara with diamonds and emeralds for her wedding but she wasn't offered one and Harry got into a verbal fight with the Queen's courtiers who were assisting her select. "What Megan wants, Megan gets." When HM heard about it she sent Harry word that Megan would get what Her Majesty chose to offer. This was about the time of the alleged incident with Kate and Charlotte at the dress fitting and HM was not amused.

If that "Whatever Meghan..." remark had been uttered in a lightheartedly, ironic way, we would be in the know because uttering that particular remark in a rather ironic way would've been a great chance to garner the people's love and admiration for the bridegroom by making him more relatable - "ooooooooh, how cute it is that Harry, now that he's getting married, is still 'one of the lads'!!!"

I guess Prince Philip really isn’t the Absolute Ruler of the family as had always been claimed. His kids and some grandkids have made and continue to make terrible decisions. At Philip’s old age Harry probably just thinks he’s a mindless old codger. The Queen, of course, is playing ostrich in the sand. Btw, I’m sure Meghan’s tiara choices came from a courtier, and not The Queen herself. It’s a given which tiaras are in the rotation for loans and which ones can never be loaned because HM wears them.

That side by side image shows just how bizarre and desperate that bump cradling is. She's hunched over and grasping it as if holding onto a large watermelon that is about to fall.

^^^ She also has that cold yet crazy-eyed look. Very creepy narcissism on full display in conjunction with belly cradling.

[quote]Mr Scobie told ABC’s Good Morning America that Meghan was aware her father would publish the personal note.

[quote]The royal contributor added: “While the purpose of Meghan’s letter was very much to repair the relationship with the father, she knew in her heart of heart’s that this was going to be released to the papers.

[quote]“Thomas has a record of this. This is exactly the man that she knows.

[quote]“So, many of those things in that letter were written with the public in mind. She very much wanted to set the record straight

Except TM didn't release the letter UNTIL she, her PR, and "5 friends" incited him to do it. That is some ass-backwards logic on her part. Or maybe it's just pure manipulative bitch showing herself for who she really is. Trash.

One of my favorite images of Kate. She looks look a 1960s movie star, no wonder retro clothes look good on her. This is a fun Instagram account, by the way, lots of early and seldom seen Diana photos.

This whole business with Meghan is delayed fallout from Diana's death. If Harry hadn't been so fucked up over it (and the Royal family's reaction to it: first nothing, then that horrid business of making him walk behind his mother's coffin in front of billions of people, then not getting him therapy for years and years), he might never have fallen for an opportunist like Megs. Sure, William did better, but he was always smarter than Harry, he was older and his mother's confidante through all her bullshit, so he probably had a less rose-tinted view of Diana. The fact that he married her polar opposite suggests that.

There was really nothing the Royal Family could do once Harry's mind was made up. Not if they didn't want to look like cruel, snobbish racists denying poor Harry is One True Love. He married his mother, and he will suffer for it. The whole family will suffer for it. How long will it take the Windsors to finally get past the spectacularly bad decision of coaxing Charles to court and marry a girl he hardly knew and never could love? It's been nearly 40 years, and they're still seeing blowback.

Harry will go back to his ex gf. 100%

It does seem like he married his mother, and note that the bride was even around the same age as Diana when Harry lost her.

Which one, r286? I think they all feel they dodged a bullet.

I agree that he'll go back to Chelsy. She has the same good-natured buxom blonde with mud on her boots appeal that Camilla had as a young woman, and judging by her face at his wedding, she never quite got over him. Once things with Meghan really go sour, they'll find each other again, and everything will melt down in a barrage of accusations and tabloid headlines. Harry is recreating his father's patterns exactly.

R277, to add to the emerald tiara story, I read* that in planning her wedding attire, Meghan researched the Queen's jewels and tiaras, and decided that she would make the emerald her signature jewel in the way that Diana and now Kate, have the sapphire as their signature. Since there were 2 or 3 tiaras in Queen Elizabeth's collection, she was very angry at the refusal and explanations, and didn't agree that Eugenie's wearing the emerald tiara a month later should preclude Meghan's wearing it for her wedding. She also couldn't accept the explanation of the questionable province of the Russian gifted emerald tiara, and why all emerald tiara were off limits to her.

She had her entire signature jewel plot foiled!

Why would Chelsy want to get back with Harry? She could've married him but chose not to because she knows being in the RF is a shitty proposition for her. It's known that she likes her independence and her father is quite wealthy too, plus the fact she has her own career and social life that's not dependent on being famous or tabloid fodder unlike Meghan. It's an insult to suggest an independent woman like Chelsy would jump at the chance for Dim One the second time around.

R283, be that as it may with Merchie ME, I for one can’t abide by a father selling his own daughter up the river in public like he’s doing. His problems with her are probably legit, or probably not, but regardless they should be private. If details slip out that’s one thing, or if there are leaks. But just openly going to tabloids and TV programs, and openly accepting money for it, is horrible. Where’s the redemption for the Pa story after that? Seems impossible.

A rhinestone tiara would be fitting one for Meghan to wear. Fake befits fake.

I am embarrassed at the level of mommy issues Harry displays on top of being thick as two short planks.

Chelsy gets high marks for recognizing his title doesn't make up for his shortcomings.

R294, i'd hardly call it surprising. Even if he was Joe Blow Nobody, an ugly parental divorce followed quickly by a tragic parental death and a family that ignores mental health issues...cocktail for dysfunction.

Other than the engagement ring, how are sapphires known as Kate and Diana’s signature jewels? Most the pictures I see of Diana she’s in diamonds & pearls.

MM, you should have gone for rubies.

R279 - According to Meghan's memoir of that "surreal" experience, the Queen was there and so was Harry.

"When it came to the tiara on the day, I was very fortunate to be able to chose this gorgeous art deco style bandeau tiara," Meghan explained in the recording, according to Harper's Bazaar UK. "Harry and I had gone to Buckingham Palace to meet with her Majesty the Queen to select one of the options that were there which was an incredibly surreal day as you can imagine."

So you have it (direct not only from the horse's mouth but from Studio Rewrite). This is a personal exchange between the Queen and the new bride. It may be that Meghan vented her fury through Harry when she got out of the room, but the fact remains she had her heart set on a tiara with emeralds, and she threw a fit when she saw one wasn't on offer (there are really only three, and the Queen wears one of them so that one was out, Eugenie had dibs on the Greville, so that was out, and the remaining one was far too grand for a newbie royal divorcee coming in - the bits about "Russian sourcing" were bullshit).

Harry's response wasn't lighthearted at all. I doubt either of them vented directly at the Queen, but at courtiers after the fact, who heard the "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" exclamation, which was basically the empty posturing of a man trying to look macho for his bride.

The courtiers duly reported back to HM, who according to the bio, took Harry aside and informed him that his intended's "attitude" needed readjusting: she gets what the Queen offers.

A veil remains over how Harry conveyed this to Meghan, but it was probably her first experience of the finger-slapping the BRF can dish out. The next one, allegedly also emerging around the time of the wedding, was: No grand apartment in KP, in fact, no London base at all, and that dump Frogmore Cottage instead as their home base.

Meghan was probably so pissed off by the time of Yuge's wedding, that she didn't care whether she angered any more of the family than she already had. She probably was also pissed off when she saw the schedule that had been put together for the imminent tour by then.

I think the handwriting was on the wall much earlier than people know. HM is putting a decent face on it, doing the obligatory solo event with Meghan just as she did with Kate years earlier, but that's it.

No Meghan and Harry at Balmoral last summer, eh wot?

Of the colored gems, sapphire was worn most frequently by Diana. There was the engagement ring, of course, and the Saudi's gave her an exquisite suite to match as a wedding present. There's also the famous choker she wore

R296 - Rubies? Not bloody likely. The Queen still wears the two prominent ones, and they're also too grand for a 36 year old American divorcee.

Sapphires were associated with Diana because of the engagement ring she chose. Once that was on, more sapphires followed, and of course she had huge blue eyes. They went with her colouring. The Queen Mother gave her a sapphire brooch the size of a small pear, that Diana had made into a pendant I think, and one of the ME potentates gave her a stunning sapphire and diamond parure that included earrings and a bracelet and another pendant.

I wonder if Meghan thought she was going to get stuff like that?

For a time Harry seemed to address the state of his mental health but maybe his limited intellect led his slamming into a brick wall and rather than turning right or left constructively to move forward he wittingly regressed; and now before us in classic trashy reality tv fashion, lays this ongoing shit fest all of his own making.

That just seemed to post itself before I finished at R298.

Then there's the famous sapphire choker she wore on numerous formal occasions. You can google and find pics of her wearing other sapphires.

Diamonds and pearls really aren't distinctive or signature gems as they're more common and worn by all royal women.

"It is with a heavy heart...." I missed the last thread so maybe it was mentioned there but aside from the execrable scrawl she calls calligraphy, the actual wording of the letter is as pretentious as the writing in the Tig blog.

She knew it would be published eventually, how could Pa Markle resist? and she thought the letter would exonerate her. When it was published in the Daily Mail, most of the comments were favorable, the first time Ive seen that in a DM article about MM. They were being downvoted like mad which made me think the new PR guy was astroturfing (is that the word I mean?), coordinating a ton of complimentary comments that were red-arrowed by the regular readers.

The Telegraph is now reporting KP is considering taking legal action against Pa Markle and is awaiting what formal action MEghan wishes to pursue. Yeah, that's the way to throw gasoline onto a grease fire.

What’s the third emerald tiara? I’m drawing a blank. The Vladimir, the Greville, what’s another emerald tiara? Maybe a diamond tiara with a removeable emerald in the center, worn by Queen Mary on leaser ocasions?

On what ground does KP have in suing TM? Last I checked, making public a private letter is not a crime. Plus Meghan intended for him to release it.

I wonder if it's just MEghan and Harry going rogue, and whether Wills was even made aware before this was put out to the media?

What's been shown to be true about Harry is that he's just not very intelligent, probably barely average intelligence. Couple that with sense of entitlement brought forth by influence of D-list social climbing actress, his image has taken a big hit.

Pa is going to come out the loser in this. ME will too, but not just yet. But he’s going down first and he blew the opportunity to leach money from his daughter in a more subtle way, if he was the doting dad or at least playing the role.

That video linked at R261 from the fashion awards (and the suggestion to view at the 3:15 mark) ...

I just looked at it.

Besides the over and under cradling I noticed 2 other things...

1) Sparkle is not looking at the designer who got the award who is having her big moment. Sparkle doesn't watch her as the designer gives her speech. Sparkle is not interested in that AT ALL, but is looking outward at the crowd (and cameras).

2) Sparkle moves more and more to the left so that pictures of her are ONLY of her and not those 2 other pesky women on the stage.

Talk about self involved. Wow.

If Harry finds some upper class blonde Commonwealth born full Caucasian, I wonder if he can redeem himself. Surely there must be some sexy landowners daughter available.

Exactly R308, I can't imagine how NONE of her relatives thought of playing the long game instead of taking the first quick buck. A TMZ gay I'm Facebook friends with has mentioned being text-buddies with TM. He was sent over to cover/watch the Royal Wedding.

I wonder what type of security Pa Markle has in Rosarito. He lives in what passes for a gated community there. He was once spotted buying beer by paps and tried to play it off saying it was for the "security guys" at the front gate. Kidnapping is a major problem for both U.S. citizens and Mexican nationals perceived to be of means. Markle has succeeded in garnering international media attention and may have unwittingly put a bullseye on is back. People know he's been paid by the tabloids and that the RF has deep pockets. I don't think the guys at the front gate would be willing to intercede in a kidnapping attempt.

The tabloids have also reported that Markle has associated with some questionable people who try to take advantage of an old drunk. Does anyone recall the story of Pa taking in a single mother and her child only to have her take off after robbing him? Some transvestite he hung out with sold a story to TMZ Rosarito strikes me as the sort of place a lot of grifters wind up and Markle seems to attract equal or worse dysfunction.

Damn, Thomas's branch of the Markle family tree is so riddled with dysfunction and underlying genetic issues.

Rosarito Beach has been a retirement town for decades. Many upper middle class Mexicans had beach homes there as well.Like all of Mexico, crime has gone up there.

LOL I have to sympathize a bit with Meghan. If I ever wormed my way into the British royal family and started to get grand, my shirttail relatives would’ve smacked me down but good, probably even talked to the press. I can almost hear myself: “MA!”

That “what Meghan wants” quote is the stuff of legend. True or not, she and Harry will never live that one down. It’s not quite “I want to be your tampon” but fits this particular narrative all too well.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

For R304, R297 explains the third tiara as being one that the Queen still wears and thus unavailable to others.

Does anyone actually think Markle is anything but what Queen Mary said of Wallis Simpson, that she is an "adventuress"?

It's not the difficult background, the career, the previous relationships, the abortion(s), and the rest. It's that she is not someone who will thrive, much less survive, in the horrible pressure cooker of British royalty. Those who don't know how to fade into quiet privilege when they are not the focus of the succession are the ones who upset the system the most. Outside of Diana, who tried to kill it from the center.

When five years from now Charles is glumly on the throne or playing regent and William and Kate are in position, no one will care about the dowdy, short, aging ex-television actress and her balding, weight-gaining, surly and unhappy husband. Markle will be bored out of her shallow mind and will be dropping a huge public stink through selected leaks and interviews as she prepares to move on. Ugly.

But Diana was the center of attention because she WAS at the center. Harry's wedding was a timed bon bon offered to the British and the world before the inevitable sadder sights occur. Markle doesn't appear to get that fact. And her gut cuddle is an abomination of upstaging.

Is R297 blank for anyone else? The response number is there, but no text. I don't have anyone on ignore.

I put that post up and it shows to me. ????

R297

It is an orchestrated plan by her PR team, R292. People who saw it when she was considering switching from Sunshine Sachs said both Thomas and Samantha played defined roles, we now know that they serve as distractions, foils and reasons for more victim press to be run. None of it is real. She did stay with Sunshine Sachs, they also rep Serena, so that relationship is likely faux and mainly PR too. Wise up.

No wonder there was such effort to get the prior threads deleted, the jig would be up.

I can read R297.

That happens to me, sometimes. Hit refresh and it should appear.

R290 - Kate has a magnificent modern emerald and diamond necklace that the Palace would only say was "privately purchased" AND Kate has been allowed to wear the diamond and emerald pendant that contains some of the Cambridge emeralds, for obvious reasons. Meghan will never get her hands on them, or on the Vladimir which the Queen wears frequently - I suppose she might get to wear the Greville some time, although now that Eugenie wore it for her wedding, MM might have gone off it. And forget Queen Victoria's emerald tiara. Not for little Meghan. So her dreams of becoming associated with emeralds to start with was bullshit. It was never in the cards. She overlooked the fact that the Queen doesn't loan out major tiaras in current use on her own head, or ones she thinks are too grand for the would be wearer.

R321 - I wasn't suggesting you couldn't. I was simply answering a question. The post shows on my screen. What's your problem?

Was it Queen Mary or The Queen Mum who would never refer to Wallis by her name but only, when absolutely necessary, as "that woman."

R210 - Great idea! With the initials CD!

R304 - There is a Queen Victoria emerald and diamond tiara. It has huge emerald lozenges on diamond spikes. I think even the Queen doesn't wear it these days, but it's historic and signficant. The Greville is the only one Meghan would have has a shot at getting, and it had clearly already been promised to Eugenie.

She isn't getting her hand on the Burma ruby tiara, either, or the Oriental Circlet with rubines in it.

I suppose she could move on to er . . . garnets?

R324 - I believe Queen Elizabeth later on referred to Wallis as The Woman Who Killed My Husband - she believed the strain of kingship during the war years shortened his life and damaged his already fragile health and caused his relatively early death. (He had lung cancer.)

So it's likely Queen Mary who used the expression "that woman".

[quote]I read that Charlotte was acting up and MM complained that she was going to ruin her wedding. She asked or told the nanny to control her and this led to a confrontation with Kate who told her that it was not her place to lecture her staff. The nanny was quite offended.

That makes a lot of sense of two stories: that Kate was reduced to tears and that Kate told Meagain back off my staff. That Norland Nanny has been around since George. Seems reasonable to speculate she has earned the respect and confidence of Kate and William. I'd always interpreted the two events as separate occasions but probably as above was a two for one. The weirdest image of the wedding day was William and Kate extracting their kids from the bridal party during the recessional and walking them up and out themselves.

This review attributes 'that woman' to the Queen Mother. I think that's likely. From everything I've read the Queen Mother for various understandable reasons had a real antipathy toward Wallis. Queen Mary was far more sickened by the act of abdication - not the cause of it. Her issue was primarily with the Duke. There are letters between the two where Queen Mary inquires after 'your (his) wife.' She never really forgave the Duke for quitting. She was among the last who truly believed the monarch was chosen by God.

Sorry, review for attribution

Your Royal Highness:

It was suggested that I provide you directly, for your favour, the enclosed document, with the sincere wish that it will be of assistance to Her Royal Highness in future. The chart and attendant may be consulted should any questions arise on the subject of choice of headwear. I have copied this information, as directed, to your staff.

Your humble servant,

Rubric Andover-Pettibotham, Deputy Chamberlain

R529., Yes, that's one of the things I've slowly come to understand (as an American) about the BRF. It's an alien concept to me, and both impresses me, and frightens me. This scene, is of course, fiction, but it captures that point of view. I posted in some other thread, some time ago, that I was really stunned to read that one wasn't supposed to take a photo of the Queen wearing one of the official crowns from overhead, since that view was reserved for God.

Emeralds wouldn't have suited Meghan's dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, and tan skin tone anyways. Emeralds suit Eugenie's auburn hair, pale-pink skin tone, and hazel-green eyes much better, and Eugenie has worn green colored outfits in the past too, she looks great in green. That emerald tiara was always going to be hers to wear at her wedding, and I suspect the Queen has known about this for awhile. Meghan was never going to win that battle.

Rubies would look good on Meghan with her very dark coloring. But knowing her tacky style she would probably have yucked it up by wearing a conspicuous dress or gown that screams no-style nouveau riche.

Saw the Telegraph piece "could give rise to legal action." I agree with most of the posters btl there that it's a terrible idea. He's a pathetic fat old man and they're billionaires. It would make them look like rich bullies and increase sympathy for the old man. I just can't imagine the legal grounds - embarrassment? Isn't the letter his to do with as he pleases once she sends it to him?

What are they going to due, sue for damages? He has no money - what are they going to do,, take his Social Security chekcs. God, I can see the headlines now.

I do hope the story is false. It really would take the BRF down even further than Meghan Markle has already brought them.

It must have been mentioned, but part of the tiara matter is the understanding that brides are to wear diamond tiaras, as it is considered the most appropriately "maidenly" selection for an event in which a woman wears her first tiara. Colored stones detract from the simplicity and pristine quality of traditional wedding garb for the marriage sacrament itself.

The Queen and Margaret both wore diamonds, and their tiaras (you can check the specific pieces for all of these) were grand and sizable owing to the status as princesses of the blood royal.

Diana wore the Spencer Tiara, of diamonds. Kate and Meghan of course were commoners coming to the family and were given more subdued pieces with diamonds.

Eugenie's choice, unexpectedly skipping the York for the Greville in an unprecedented appearance, felt like a nod to the royal status of the bride. No one had worn it publicly since it had been bequeathed to the Queen Mother. Also, if Euge knew Meghan had wanted emeralds, she may have had a laugh. She likely already had her choice prior to Markle's surreal day, as she was in a position to know more about the collection than the late-coming actress.

In any event, the placement of the emeralds on the Greville do not completely subdue the desired bridal effect, and Eugenie's coloration and features looked better with it than Markle would.

But watch out as Meghan picks up seniority with a kid and a little time. Watch her show up in fire opals.

R316, the one the Queen wears is The Vladimir, the hooped tiara where the emeralds can be hung in place of pearls. Then there is the Greville, bequeathed to the royal house but never seem u til Yuge wore it. So what’s the third emerald tiara, because I can’t think of another emerald tiara worn by The Queen. She’s got diamonds and pearls, rubies, sapphires, aquamarines... Anyone know? Third emerald tiara?

I'm of the opinion that Eugenie looked better on her wedding day (gown, tiara, natural glow-ness) than Kate or Meghan did on their weddings. For a comparison of the three here, you can definitely see how amazing Eugenie looks in her tiara, her eyes really popped and she seemed and looked natural wearing a tiara unlike upstart Meghan.

Thanks 326. I forgot about the emerald diadem of Queen Victoria, although I believe it left the main line a long time ago.

ME still has a chance at emeralds if she’s clever. The central portion of her wedding tiara is removeable to be worn as a brooch. She could have an emerald brooch made to fit in the place of the diamond brooch, and then she’d have an emerald tiara. A little Womder Woman-ish, but royal women play with their jewels all the time. Princess Michael wore several brooches in her hair in place of a tiara at Albert and Charlene’s wedding and it looked great.

Speaking of Queen Vicky, have there been any confirmed British royal bastards since she banned royal bastards from court as "ghosts best forgotten."

And no, I don't mean the conspiracy theories about Andrew and Harry

[quote]I suppose she could move on to er . . . garnets?

Nothing wrong with semi-precious stones. Sophie Wessex has been loaned out several wonderful aquamarine pieces to wear when she presents the Crown abroad (at royal weddings etc). She looks fantastic in them, they suit her blonde blue eyed coloring well and its become something of her signature. I think she's been gifted an aquamarine tiara of her own iirc.

No Dad should ever do what Tom Markle has done. It just isn't how a good father should act.

[quote] The central portion of her wedding tiara is removeable to be worn as a brooch.

That tiara still belongs to the Queen and I'm sure it went right back in the vault.

The Greville looked especially nice on Eugenie partly because she chose not to wear a veil in order for her back scar to be easily visible. One of the advantages of that choice was that the tiara really stood out without the veil.

The tiara that Kate wore was quite small (as befitted a non-Royal marrying in) and was not overshadowed at all because the veil was there at the same time.

The tiara that Sparkle wore was lovely but the whole veil was overblown.

That was the point I was going to make, too, R343... it isn't Meagain's tiara to do anything with except to say thank you to the Queen who loaned it to her be that Elizabeth, Camilla or Kate.

I'm starting to think Frogmore was Prince Charles' calls. Fits his slimmed down monarchy. I'd guess the Duke of Sussex will get Royal Lodge following on the death of the Duke of York and I hope Sussex and his second wife will be very happy there.

Nope r344, Andrew signed something akin to a 90 year inheritable lease on Royal Lodge several years ago, insuring that his daughters will be living there well into their dotage.

He actually signed a 75 year lease back in August 2003. So another 60 years to go on that.

I've read that Kate wanted to to wear flowers in her hair instead of jewels but she was informed that she is the future Queen and would be choosing from among the lovely selection of tiaras offered by Her Majesty. She picked the smallest.

Speculation that ‘Uge has a bat in the cave:

[quote]Princess Eugenie shared a touching throwback photo to her Instagram page, reflecting on her relationship with now-husband Jack Brooksbank. The post has stirred fans into a frenzy, with many guessing the Princess is, in fact, pregnant. Her sentimental photo has now received nearly 80,000 likes and more than 600 comments form excited Royal Family fans.

[quote]In the post, Eugenie wrote: “#tbt to exactly this day last year - Jack and I announced our engagement.

[quote]“What a year it’s been since then and how exciting for 2019.”

Yuge will get huge. Those huge tits of hers will provide ample nourishment for her baby.

If this is true, prepare yourself for ME to come down with some pregnant related condition and startle the media. Or graduate to the largest pad she can procure and bump cradle it like crazy.

This legal action being threatened would be a clusterfuck of massive proportions. Would MEghan file under U.K. law? She is still an American citizen, not yet British, so there's that. Thomas Markle is an American citizen but he resides in Mexico. How the fuck does this potential lawsuit determine jurisdiction? Is MEghan going to file in U.S. courts? Does Mexico have some sort of agreement floating around where they would extradite Pa Markle to British authorities if he doesn't fulfill settlement obligations to MEghan? And who came up with this litigation shit? Nothing like MEghan playing up the pissy stereotype of Americans being way too sue happy.

Yeah but Pa and Sam played up to some equally ugly American stereotypes.

In most US courts, pension and social security payments are exempt form creditor collection, even if a Court awards a judgement. The only exceptions I'm aware of are for the US Gov, which can attach those assets to collect back taxes or student loan debt.

The Markle coat of arms should feature swine rollicking in muck.

Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It (so goes the idiom)

Said pig in question can apply interchangeably to MEghan, Pa, and Sam; hell, throw in her half-brother for good measure. MEghan is all Markle shit.

R353 don't insult pigs by comparing them to the Markles. Pigs are gentle and intelligent animals. If anything, the Markles are more like vultures.

But pigs eat people. Just a few days ago a woman in Australia went into a pig sty to feed the pigs, collapsed from a seizure, and the pigs ate her. In the online frau crime forums, they think it's a popular way for serial killers to dispose of bodies. Feed you to the pigs -- there's nothing left except traces in the pig poop..

She looks terribly chic in that picture @ R284. The hat is pure Audrey.

Very elegant I agree.

She looks indeed elegant !

R355 Beloved pets such as dogs and cats will start eating their owners after a day or two if left alone with the corpse.

There was something very strange about Kate in the white dress at BAFTA. Her head looked gigantic. In the 2-shot with William, her head is bigger than his head. Kate's head has turned into the anorexic's lollipop head.

She didn't look like herself. She looked old and tired. Did she get fillers and an eye job?

Harry's comment about "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets" was in reference to MM's wanting to wear the Vladimir Tiara. She probably didn't know the Queen's protocol for borrowing a tiara for a wedding. The Queen selects 3 tiaras from her own collection or from the Crown Jewels ( State collection) from which the bride chooses the one to wear at her wedding. Harry was being supportive of Meghan.

R360

The Duchess of Cambridge has had three children and is nearing forty, thus firmly into middle age. She may or may not have had something done, but who could blame her if true.

Kate Middleton is fortunate in by all accounts her husband adores her; so not much worry about kitchen maids or other dalliances. But her life requires being in the public eye, so it is sensible to attempt to look one's best.

As discussed above, it hasn't been verified which tiara Megan had her beady eyes on. And three tiaras to chose from isn't a rule set in stone but it's generally thought you get a selection of 3 to 5.

In 5 years Americans will be watching Megs on Real housewives of Beverly Hills or what ever the hell it's called.The baby will be raised in England by loving family members.

I’d like to see Kate gain five pounds. That would be perfection.

I wonder if Wills really does love Kate?

I've always been on Team Tom, but now agree with the poster above who said that you don't throw your family under the bus via media. I can't even think of any parallels to this sorry saga. There have been some longstanding feuds, eg Angelina Jolie and her father, but never played out like this.

[quote]Harry was being supportive of Meghan.

Harry knows the rules. He did her no favours if he did indulge her ignorance over the tiara choice. Harry's been around that system his whole life. He would know that the first rule is you say thank you to the Queen, not but. He'll only add to her unhappiness and frustration if he isn't telling her how to function within the system. On the other hand, it will become that much more intolerable to her that much more quickly, which will expedite the inevitable failure of the marriage and divorce. The family failed Harry in the same way. The Queen and Prince Charles should have steered him away from this woman so plainly unsuited to the life.

The Vladimir was never on the table. Absolutely never, and there’s no way anyone would even let ME entertain the notion that she’d have access to it. That’s why I think the Tiaragate story is missing some important details for us. I wish we could hear the entire story. The Queen could have saved herself a lot of heartache by purchasing a tiara for Meghan. Sarah Ferguson’s tiara was a purchase. Buying her one would have removed the drama of ME being disappointed with her choices. I look to the example of Princess Sophia of Sweden, a woman with a sketchy background who married a prince far down the succession line. The King bought her a diamond tiara with emeralds, and the emeralds can be removed and replaced with pearls, or other diamonds. Three-in-one! And the sketchy Princess? Rose to the occasion and blends in seemlessly with her royal sisters-in-law. You’d never know she wasn’t born royal, instead of a Hooters girl and an aerobics instructor.

I always had the impression, though, that Princess Sophia understood how her backstory could be played and so blended in with fierce determination. I credit Megain with fierce determination, but not with a plan to blend in.

R366

You only have to look at pictures of Will and Kate after their engagement was announced and ever since for the answer to your query. The Duke of Cambridge truly loves his duchess; proof of this is in how he's made quite good use of her, breeding an heir and two spares right out of the gate.

During their break-up by all accounts Prince William was not a happy person, and that period of separation is what helped make his decision IIRC.

I thought William was known to have a temper and has been heard to shout at Kate?

Another example of a woman with sketchy past is Crown Princess Mette Marit of Norway. A cafe waitress by day, ecstasy popping rave girl by night, with a drug dealer ex-husband to boot and a child. By all accounts Crown Prince Haakon pursued HER though. Still, she has also rose to the occasion with only a few minor bumps along the way (her expensive taste in ugly Valentino dresses), and garnered much sympathy during the massacre some years ago for her heartfelt public displays of sympathy to the victims family and the fact that her step-brother was one of the victims.

R360 is a Meghan stan pretending to be an ojective judge of the female form. He brings up "old and tired" every time Kate steps out her front door.

Give it up, son. Kate looked absolutely stunning, she knocked it out of the park, and you can try that old and tired and horrile proportions mantra from now till Domesday. No one is buying it.

Bravo, r374.

What R374 said.

Kate has looked old and tired many times. That's her standard look. There's a pap snap of her taking her mother shopping that has bags as big as suitcases under her eyes. The Middleton daughters seem to have smoked and tanned themselves into terrible skin. I assume the damage is self-inflicted rather than genetic since Carole's face doesn't appear nearly as ravaged as her daughters.'

On Sunday Kate looked like she'd had a bit of gentle work done, as is normal for women attending awards shows.

I also noticed that some of the images were more edited than others. The ones from the photographers working for BAFTA tended to give everyone a more "refreshed" look.

R368 - Agree completely - Harry knows the rules quite well and was being anything but supportive of his fiancee by encouraging her sense of entitlement. He would have done her a bigger favour by taking her aside and reminding her that she was lucky to be wearing a diamond tiara leant by the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland at all, and this was the way the thing worked, and she was making herself look bad.

By that time, however, the "power contract" that most couples hammer out fairly quickly when they come together was in place, and Harry's reaction demonstrated the shape of that contract. He gives, she gets; she's the adored, he's the adorer; it's them against the world - even if it happens to be the "world" that she was desperate to enter and that gives her the privilege she craves.

I see George Clooney has stepped in to defend Meghan - nothing like one suspect rich celebrity to lend the cloak of dignity to another suspect rich celebrity.

Didn't Clooney come first out of the gate when Diana died before he got left with egg all over his face when it turned out the driver was drunk and she hadn't bothered to put on her seat belt?

Did it occur to Clooney when he invoked Diana that he might not be doing Meghan any favours? Did he forget that Diana wasn't vilified, but adored, and that she lost it all when she decided to wash the dirty family linen in public, and then lied about to the BRF?

I tell you, it's like the ghost of Diana's tragic trajectory absolutely haunts the Sussex marriage.

And no one, absolutely no one, in the BRF seems to have learnt a single thing from their own history.

R377 - Body shaming women for looking their age is so last century. She looks charming, happy, confident, and she dresses beautifully. That's all she needs to do. Cut the crap already.

I see that the TIMES (UK) has a piece up contradicting Mr Clooney and stating baldly that comparisons between Diana and the Duchess of Sussex are ludicrous. The press hounding Diana lived with from the moment her relationship with Charles was published is not what is happening to Meghan Markle.

Why are celebrities so out of touch and tone-deaf? Are money and privilege really that insulating?

Harry and Meghan visited these in Italy the summer of 2018 . What to do when you have a surrogate to carry your baby ! I mean Clooney and his wife know everything about that don’t they ?

R380 LOL. Are you new to DL? Body shaming is de ri·gueur here. Do keep up.

Despite the drunk driver and Diana not wearing her seatbelt and perhaps her egging the driver to drive faster, the fact is that she was chased by paparazzi. I think unfortunately she cooked up her own problems by courting them covertly to further her own agenda, but nonetheless that night she was chased and the combination of events killed her. William and Harry have the right to dislike and fear the aggressive press.

And yet Meghan instructed those '5 friends' to communicate with the press media. Diana played a similar game as we know.

One thing that Sparkle seems to not get and perhaps never will is that in some ways "Less is More".

If the story is true that the Vlad was the tiara she craved for her wedding, she must have been delusional. That piece by it's size and design is for a senior royal - namely the Queen right now. Can anyone picture Sparkle showing up wearing that tiara at the wedding? Preposterous.

Same thing wthl too many of her outfits. She takes things that might be OK and adds more than she should and they end up looking bad.

That "bra strap" addition to the black and white number is one example. And the ill fitting toile dress coupled with that toilet paper holder "fascinator" which she wore to a "family" summer wedding.

If she is trying to mimic Audrey or Grace, she is clueless as to how to do it.

One thing I’ve never understood about people “hounded by the paparazzi” - instead of acting so important, why not just stop, smile and pose for a few pictures? Presumably then they go away, no? Either that or stay home. In any case, don’t speed through the streets and endanger us all.

Richard Kay of the DM for the historical revisionist win

[quote] For the Palace, how to handle the Markle clan was another problem. Their most recent experience of outsiders marrying into the royals had been the Duchess of Cambridge’s family, the Middletons. Kate’s parents, Michael and Carole, have barely put a foot wrong, the only black mark being the duchess’s lively uncle Gary Goldsmith. Yet compared with the Markles, Uncle Gary — who has never revealed any secrets about Kate — has been a saint.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Markles are the best thing to happen to the Middletons in years. Duchess DoLittle and her frequent flasher moments have been forgotten. The avaricious social-climbing (complete with pinky ring) has been glossed over. Now the coke-using wife beater, Gary Goldsmith, is a saint. 🤣🤣🤣

R387 That's not how "hounded" works. The papparazzi don't just stop when the celebrity is done smiling and posing. Their aim is to catch an iconic or newsworthy shot. Very often, it's embarrassing or intrudes on a private moment. The photo of the celebrity arguing with their partner, at a secret lunch meeting or in the moment they heard their mother died is worth more than the image of them smiling on their way into a restaurant.

The tabloid press are first and foremost business ventures.

I understand R389, but coming out of a prominent hotel or restaurant in the heart of a big city?

I know, r388... he’s now “colorful?” He’s a horrible human being, probably tops MM’s father in the cretin dept.

^ hah meant “lively”.

Nice of George Clooney to defend his friend I guess, but really he is the absolute epitome of the insulated, out-of-touch celebrity.

Yes, nothing like traditional BRF than have celebrities fake friends who otherwise wouldn't give you time of day, defend you in the press. Meghan has lowered the RF's standards to those of the Kartrashians. Actually lower than Kartrashians, at least they don't use the media to publicly attack each other, they all get along unlike Murky Markles clan.

R390 Like wildlife photographers who sometimes poke the animals so they can get a reaction shot, the paps shout at the celebrities so they will look in their direction or respond in interesting ways. They may just shout their name, or they may yell something about a painful incident or unfounded rumour. There's a lot of money involved and so the paparazzi go to a lot of trouble to get what they want. And they don't stop.

Gary Goldsmith may be every bit as much a cretin as any of the Markles, but what sets him apart from them is his ability to keep his mouth shut. Discretion is valued above all by the Firm.

George Clooney is sickening to me. Smug, pompous.... another one who doesn't know his place. I remember thinking how self aggrandizing his outrage was in the hours after Diana's death. Just the kind of ally you'd expect from Sparkle, who thinks Duchess is a synonym for Starring. Princess Michael of Kent would be a step up for Meghan Markle.

MeAgain just poked the sleeping beast with that large scale People cover story and interview. Things had died down somewhat on the Pa & Sam front, there had been little from them in weeks and whatever stuff Sam had been putting out wasn't getting a lot of pr traction. Starve the beast of oxygen and it will die, should have been the way to go. But nope - Haz & Bean just couldn't let it lie. One wonders if the whole display was on purpose to kick up the story and put MM back on the front pages again, even if it was with a negative story (There's no such thing as bad publicity, way of thinking...)

I can't conclusively say which tiara MEghan was demanding. My own suspicion is it was the Maria Feodorovna Sapphire Bandeau Tiara. Though traditionally worn with a large sapphire, the sapphire can be changed out (as Queen Mary often did) and replaced with a carved emerald brooch from the Delhi Durbar Parure. It would fall in line with the story BP put out about it's questionable Russian provenance.

On the other hand, the Vladimir makes sense considering MEghan's self-deluded ideas of her own grandiosity as we saw with that ridiculously long stupid veil she wore which virtually eclipsed her bandeau. The Vladimir would have balanced out the absurd length of tulle MEghan insisted on dragging. Had ME simply worn her perfectly lovely tiara--sans veil like Eugenie--then the tiara would have been a star of understated but highly elegant proportions.

(Pictured below is the Mara Feodorovna set with the emerald brooch.)

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R396, so now I get it, you can be a wife beater and drug dealer, but as long as you’re discreet, it’s ok. Got it.

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R401 clearly DOES NOT get it. Must think Harry is a genius.

[Quote]The Duchess of Cambridge has had three children and is nearing forty, thus firmly into middle age.

By definition, middle age starts at 45. Kate is 37. Thus, you don't know what you're talking about. Hence, you speak out of your bum.

R403 I get it. If you’re going to beat your wife and deal drugs, be discreet, because we don’t want to embarrass the queen!

R403 One can disapprove of domestic abusers, regardless of their discretion, and also disapprove of Harry and Meghan.

Btw r403, did I say Harry was a genius? Geez, THEY’RE ALL DIM!! William, Kate, Harry, Charles, Camilla. They didn’t get there through merit, they were plopped into wealth and royalty, or they slept their way into it. Thus, their need to protect “The Firm.” The question is, why are you?

^ and lest you thing I’m a MM lover, I meant to include her in the list of dimwits.

No matter how hard. Meghan tries, she will always be older than Kate

The Queen's cousin, The Duke of Kent, was in Dresden, Germany giving out awards.

The Queen is hutched over but she still is pretty steady on her feet.

^^^^What, no hat R411? Is this evidence of a Markle effect?

R412 - Markle has no effect. The Queen usually doesn't wear a hat when she takes the train back from holidays. She used to when she had a young family (Andrew and Edward) but over the years she stopped.

R412 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Forgot to add that sometimes the Queen wears a scarf over her head if it's cold outside.

I never understood the uproar over the strapless black dress Diana wore in one of her first appearances after the engagment (Princess Grace was there) when the Queen wore a similar one in this photo.

A young Diana with her sisters (Jane is on the left and the redhead with the oversize sweater is Sarah).

The Queen makes a run for it!

The lovely diamond and aquamarine tiara worn by the Queen and now Sophie Countess of Wessex.

Markle has lost her Sparkle. Marie Claire mag weighs in.

Is Meghan feuding with Camilla now? Oh dear.

Another rumor: The Palace is already preparing for a Sussex divorce. Yep, it's better to plan ahead for the inevitable.

Ahhh, the Maria Feodorovna tiara with the interchangeable center stone! I forgot all about that one, but yeah there IS some questionable history. This story is often refuted, but one of the Dowager Empress’s daughter’s claims she didn’t get a fair share of the proceeds when her mother’s suitcase of jewels was sold. Queen Mary got them at bargain basement prices, so maybe there was some shifty maneuvering. Everyone knows Queen Mary has sticky fingers anyway. So maybe Queen Elizabeth said that one was off limits and that triggered ME.

Do you think Samantha Markle needs special ointment for her ass from shitting her pants in her chair?

The 100K she's gotten for selling out her sister buys Samantha all the ointments she needs.

She saves money by having pawned off her children onto other relatives. One must economize somehow.

Can you imagine quibbling over the tiaras offered to you by the Queen of England? JFC.

No, R426. I can't.

And the fact that THAT story appeared in The Times and was not refuted is hard to deny.

An absolutely perfect picture of who Sparkle is.

But then $$Sparkle showed us who she was with the $75,000 engagement dress.

But, the Tiara Gate story involved the Queen's own possessions and an offer to loan one to Sparkle and THAT wasn't good enough.

Paints quite a picture.

Oh my that Piers Morgan essay is vicious. Maybe it’s because I was recently on the “All About Eve” thread, but I can’t help thinking this is like Eve Harrington pissing off that venomous fishwife Addison DeWitt.

R362 Lives in a place with very low life expectancy, where 37 is middle-aged. How is Appalachia these days?

Making Kate sound like an old frau does her no favours.

I can't believe you bitches believe the TiaraGate story. Utter horse shit. As if anyone would ever demand to wear a certain piece of borrowed jewelry from ANYONE, much less the Queen. To think Meghan would be that stupid and shallow and practice such terrible situational awareness is complete and utter nonsense.

I suppose you also believe Princess Diana was an angel and completely innocent in her marital problems? You probably do.

I am certain that Piers Morgan knows a lot more than he’s telling. It’s not all about her “ghosting” him - since he had no problem at all with that in the beginning & even said that he understood why. No, I think he’s been hearing a lot about her behaviour behind the scenes & that has caused his dislike to grow.

I have never liked Meghan - that sickening “How to be both” article she wrote praising herself for going to Rwanda for three days told me all I needed to know about her. But I now think even I underestimated just what an unpleasant piece of shit she is.

What kind of cunt writes a letter to her father in the hope that he’ll release it to the press knowing full well that the world will turn on him accusing him of betrayal? Nasty, manipulative bitch.

[R430] Tiaragate came from an AUTHORISED biography of Prince Charles, written by someone given access to staff. The story was checked by The Times and found to be credible.

Disbelieve it all you like, but it’s highly likely to be true - and no one at BP or KP has ever tried to deny it.

And no, Diana was not inncocent in her marital problems.

R402 - Who?

R432 KP and BP don’t address these types of stories.

Why would anyone be #teamtommarkle anyway? He did a disgusting thing, and listened to his foolish daughter Sam’s advice. ME put her foot into shit and isn’t blameless, but the REAL villains in this story are ME’s family.

How do you check a story like Tiaragate? Call the palace and ask them if it happened? Or take the word of someone who is speaking off the record?

R434 - Oh, but they do. They denied the Meghan Made Kate Cry Right After Giving Birth story. And when reports came back from the Grant Tour Down Under of abuse of staff, after which a long-time RF aide quit, the family quite pointedly issued a press release praising the aide, her skills, and her years of service. They didn't bother to deny the reports of WHY she quit, and the reason they didn't, and the reason they put out the press release and didn't even try to defend their new bitch of a Duchess, is that they knew said aide knew enough credible stuff to give the DM a field day.

No one has EVER denied Tiara Gate, and we all saw with our own eyes the Look I'm Pregnant, Never Mind that Princess Bride Over There stunt at Yuge's weddin.

*Grand Tour

R437

That the monarchy logically prefers people keep their character failings private in no way equates with condoning the character failings. I'd say nice try but frankly it wasn't. You may be quite stupid, R401/R403. I'd see a doctor.

R432 Is that the same authorised biography of Charles that describes William as highly competitive of others in the family, difficult, a little grand and prone to mood swings. DL is selective in its use of information. Tiaragate is widely believed. The stories about William are not.

I applaud Charles for being equitable in his throwing of shade. (Bitches, don't be fooled by this boring comb-over. If you cross me, I will cut you.)

R439, horseshit. Stop peddling it and stop enabling the nitwits of the royal family. They don’t want to lose their privilege and money. THAT’S why they keep things private.

^ although you do seem to be acquainted quite well with nitwitism, r439. No doctor can cure that unfortunately.

Jesus, that Piers Morgan piece really sticks it both to Harry and Meghan, revealing that whilst celebs that in truth she and Harry barely knew were invited to the 600-strong wedding party, three of Harry's closest friends. The wry quote from one of those friends, that they were dumped for celebrities, is seriously damning

She is the most divisive, phony, destructive, starfucking famewhore ever. That the institution that just recently managed after slow painful years to claw back its dignity after the Diana-Fergie years then turned around and let Meghan Markle in is just stupefying.

*three of Harry's closest friends were not (invited)

R443

“How do you check a story like Tiaragate”? Well, if you’re a royal correspondant on The Times you speak to your contacts.

And KP/BP/CH deny stories all the time - they just don’t issue public statements.

For what it’s worth, I know one of team of florists who worked on the wedding & can confirm that the “spraying perfume in the chapel” request is actually true. So it’s not all bullshit just because it appears in the press.

Numerous royals living at Kensington Palace will be saying goodbye - and probably good riddance - to the Sussex ShitStorm very soon.

R440, comparing more negative description of William (mood swings may be part of his genes, look at Diana) over a span of his short lifetime of over 30+ years to the very short duration that Meghan has been on board as member of RF is quite unfair. If the worst thing that they could say about William are those that you'd described, that's actually not bad at all given that he WILL be king one day and has been in the position dealing with things that even Harry doesn't have to deal with. Harry will even have less to deal with now in matters related to succession, the only thing he's had to deal with are his choice of wife and the fallout from choosing a narcissist Z-list actress.

Meghan has earned her bad reputation and did so in a span of under a year, while William the worst they could say about him is prone to mood swings and occasionally grand and difficult. But he as the heir to the throne has had different expectations as well as. experiences than shallow fame whore Meghan. Who the fuck is she to demand same sort of consideration and undeserved good will when everything she's done, privately and publicly, have not warranted it at all? Point being, William shows he's human with his minor faults, and he's earned his place as well as being born into it. Meghan, on the other hand, is crying foul when she's the one committing most of the infractions, AND she expects to automatically be given a pass without earning her royal creds.

One Duchess slays and the other Duchess falters.

I don’t know about you all, but I for one find these stories about Meghan rocking the British monarchy unsettling. I may be an American, but I feel like that monarchy is part of my life. I’m really not going to feel right until she’s out of there back to her yachting career. And that’s the truth. I can’t get the image of little Harry following Diana’s coffin out of my head. I want to, and still do, hug him and tell him it’s ok.

Mary! me all you like. This HAS to stop!!!

MM probably nearly fainted from excitement when she found out that George Clooney bragged about being HER friend.

By the way, is Rupert Murdoch pro or against the monarchy? Is The DM pro or against? Is Piers Morgan?

Also, is Piers Morgan pro-Trump? That’s an important piece of info.

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Isn't that the same sub-kardashian outfit she wore to the Mayhew?

R452, it’s boring, but she looks clean and put-together for once.

Her legs are awfully lubed-up looking. Is it that difficult to find hosiery? I know it’s considered matronly, but if I were her, I’d wear some super-expensive stockings for these occasions. There are fine high-end brands that don’t lend color, but give a nice smooth appearance. A good pair can make your legs look really good.

R452 - I like the Calvin Klein outfit per se, and I really do love her in cream, but at this point the tightly wrapped baby bump complete with navel popping outlined is starting to seem somewhat obscene. And, as usual, she appears in an American designer.

But the look is unfussy and well put together.

[quote]MM probably nearly fainted from excitement when she found out that George Clooney bragged about being HER friend.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure that was spontaneous and she had absolutely no idea it was coming. Read about it just like the rest of us.

Will there be a lavish though discreet soiree held on the grounds of Kensington Palace shortly after the much anticipated departure of the obnoxious Sussex pair in the spring?

In Tig parlance: The air rung with echoes of uproarious laughter and the clinking of champagne flutes as the evening celebrations wore on tireless and unabated well into the bleary-eyed wee hours...

Yeah sorry, it's no good trying to mimick ME if you have a gag reflex.

I believe the Tiaragate and NannyScold stories. That is just the kind of thing someone like Meghan would do. Her entitlement is rampant.

Her face looks fuller now than it ever has. The coat is Amanda Wakeley, and I'm guessing the olive shoes and clutch are from the olive green suit she wore to Prince Louis's christening last July (complete with matching gloves, in the midst of a hot humid July day).

I think of all the crimes ME has committed, coming between those two boys was the worst. They were all each other had in the world, and she ruined it!

You read the Piers things and you realize why Kate can't get close to her. What a piece of work.

R460, I think the olive is a bit of a mismatch with the stark white, but I can’t think of another color that would go with such a bright white. If the outfit had been cream or off-white, the olive would be better. I do love that green, though. She looked very good in that cranberry, and jewel tones in general.

R453 - Well, I will say one thing for Charles - from that photo, it appears he has achieved something that decades ago no one thought possible: he looks better than Andrew.

My slightly younger sister has similar feelings - she says she has lived to look better than Patti Boyd although only a few years younger. All she wanted at 15 was to look like Boyd.

As my sainted Mum used to say, "All things come to him who waits."

R447 The post wasn't comparing William with Meghan. It was pointing out that the source of the information may be tainted and that DLers are prone to confirmation bias.

If you need an excuse to write another boring rehashing post which includes the tedious term "narcissist Z-list actress," pick someone else as your jumping off point. You're spoilt for choice on this thread.

BTW, royalty isn't "earned." That's the fucking point. They're all layabouts with too much money and who provide little value for it. I enjoy the mild entertainment they occasionally provide. Charles' comb-over is a chuckle-worthy as Kate's ass flashing and Meghan's obsession with her belly.

[QUOTE] look better than Patti Boyd

Layla?

Kate is an introvert who had experience with being bullied, her athleticism and being good at sports helped to balance out her introversion. I find her personality to be quite fitting for a future queen. She also knows innately how to guard her inner circle and home life while giving us snippets of her children's lives. And she knows to stay the fuck away from Meghan very early on in Harry's relationship with Meghan. So good judge of character too, Kate is a gem and William could not have chosen a better wife and consort.

R46O above should say R440

Oh good, I hope she comes for Camilla. I know that old war horse has her eye on Meghan and is ten moves ahead of her.

Haha, ME ripping a page out of Kate's book with the wearing of white and trying to play the "good" angle.

Nah bitch, we still see you're a conniving cunt.

R465 What you call confirmation bias is exactly what I'd stated, that William has, for lack of better term, earned his currency as member of BRF in the eyes of the public. Or do you want to continue playing semantics and castigate those who view this topic or write about Meghan in terms that are antithetical to your taste? I doubt any intelligent person believe the BRF or any RFs are deserving of their station by virtue of being born into it, but there's something to be said about earning points with the public. Princess Anne is a good example even though she has her detractors because she doesn't provide the entertainment that some of us crave. I follow the BRF for the entertainment value mainly, and Meghan is the gift that keeps on giving, that's the most positive thing I can say about her.

R470 - You JUST beat me to it - Meghan comes out wearing white just after Kate knocks it out of the park wearing white.

She is so transparent it's comical.

She's like a cat who, playfully chased under the bed but whose tail is sticking out, thinks that because it can't see you, you can't see it.

Why doesn’t someone just lynch this hooker?

R471 - Your post pretty much sums up my feeling. They don't remotely deserve the enormity of their perks because of the bits of work they do, their main job is preserving the institution that serves them so well. That said, some of them are more aware of the precipice than others, and some of them are so impossible they serve as tragi-comic relief. Overall, the show is impossible to resist.

R471

[quote] What you call confirmation bias is exactly what I'd stated, that William has, for lack of better term, earned his currency as member of BRF in the eyes of the public.

WTF does that even mean?

The post at R440 wasn't a defense of Meghan and I don't want to be dragged into your tedious diatribe. Go play with one of the posters who enjoys that.

R473 - I hope you're just trolling. Because if you aren't, much as I dislike Meghan Markle, that one is over the line and not funny.

R466 - The very one.

Exactly as you called it R476. Don't feed the trolls, just ignore that scum.

R475 Reading comprehension. In simpler words, it means William may very well be an asshole simpleton who's fawned over due to birthright. But since he hasn't done anything to publicly embarrass the institution which he was born into but actually contributed to its solvency, he's earned points e.g. public goodwill. I don't want to be dragged into your tedious diatribe either, but if you post something here and reply to another post, expect others to clap back at you.

The Amanda Wakeley coat is a repeat. I'm not a fan of the green suede heels. Since she was doing repeats I would have liked another outing for the Jimmy Choos she wore in Belfast or the cow-print Gianvito Rossis from a few weeks ago.

She's is serving pregnancy face with her turtle neck. Neat. Clean lines. Unremarkable but generally pleasant.

The Telegraph doesn't think she is a Diana, either. So, as the Brits like to say, this bright idea was a bit of an own goal.

I wonder if she got directly from God, on account of their strong relationship?

R481 - She is either being abysmally advised, or simply refusing to listen to anyone, including the Palace. Everything she does backfires.

The Telegraph article is a fairly damning indictment of Meagain as Diana.

I may be missing something but exactly where did Clooney speak? Everybody is reporting on it but no one is clear as to where or how he made these comments.

Her face is almost as orange as orange turd. (those pics in white outfit)

Does she really think wearing a ton of bronzer will make her face look less puffy?

R485 - Again, pipped at the post - I was just looking at some of the indoor photos and the orange bronzer is so OTT. Does she not have mirrors at home?!

Either r473 is Samantha Markle or there are some seriously deranged people posting. So you think it’s appropriate to call for lynching r473? Geez...

R473 is most likely a pro-Markle troll who hopes to derail the thread. Don't feed her, please.

You have to hand it to the tabloids - The Sun's coverage of George Clooney's rant is, "You Have No Cloo"

R489, I blocked r473 and saw all their other posts, and he/she is definitely not pro MM.

Agreed, R469: Plain-Jane Camilla outfoxed the beautiful, charismatic, and highly cunning Princess of Wales. She ended up with Diana's husband AND Diana's position. Whoever comes for Camilla best come correct.

I stand corrected, R491. We shouldn't pay such a loathsome troll any attention, regardless.

Just reading a bio about Wallis Simpson and the Duke really was a thick and pathetic loser who deferred to her constantly, while she was a narcissistic bitch who belittled him in public (telling him to "buzz off, mosquito" at parties and such among other things).

Sound familiar?

R479 I have no problems with reading comprehension. Your proclivity for verbosity and predisposition towards convoluted sentence construction leads to tedium. I must admit, I didn't try to understand the shit you were spewing.

It's not a clap back, bitch. R447 raised a straw man argument to my post at R440. It was never a comparison of William and Meghan. The post was specifically about the fact that the source of two particular stories about them was questionable and should be taken with some skepticism. Prince Charles reportedly feels threatened by anyone who seems to overshadow him even momentarily. There are reports that he was unhappy about Kate and William's trip to Canada, that he complains about how much access the Middletons have to the Cambridge children, how popular Diana was etc.

He is just as likely to put out negative stories about Meghan as about William/Kate. Having stirred the shit, Charles and Camilla then appear to be above the fray.

Now will you go play with the idiots who need to use dog whistle terms like narcissistic z-lister and leave me the fuck alone? Sheesh.

I had the same first impression of Meghan's most recent outfit as R470 and R472: Wearing monochrome white, immediately after Kate made such an admired BAFTA appearance in her all-white ensemble, is such a transparent move.

As previous posters have suggested, she has no inherent sense of style, probably because of a deeper instability in her sense of self. She seems to mimic the people who have what she wants at any given point in time: the Kardashians, Jessica Mulroney, Angelina Jolie (during her "humanitarian" Tig period), Kate, Diana.

R494 - Indeed, and it isn't the first time the parallel has been brought up. Aren't families interesting that way?

I still think there are more psychological parallels between Harry and Meghan, and Charles and Diana, though.

R492 - It wasn't just outfoxing: Diana's emotional difficulties kept her from seeing the older woman off - she made it easy for Camilla. And, let us face it, Charles simply didn't love Diana when he married her, which was wrong. For all its fairy-tale overlay, they were doomed from the outset, but who in the media would have interrupted the Modern Cinderella Saga?

Her father is a shit, but she set him up to tell her side of the story. She had her friends say crappy things about him to a magazine to piss him off knowing he would release her letter. She is as shitty as her dad. I just can't fell sorry for her when she manipulates to be the victim like this. Probably the person most pissed is Will. He probably never thought that when he became second to the throne and King he would have to be putting out the fires caused by Harry's wife.

R495 Do you really get this angry over trivial posts about the fucking BRF? I'm not angry at you or any other bitch on this thread whose posts I don't agree with. I find it laughable that you are expanding energy getting angry at people here, judging how they write and shit. The trolls like R473 are the one to get worked up over but even then they're not worth the effort. Namaste, don't reply and I won't reply either.

R492, I'm now envisioning Camilla as Omar Little: “You come at the queen, you best not miss.”

Preparing for R495's failed: I'M NOT UPSET!

"Your proclivity for verbosity and predisposition towards convoluted sentence construction leads to tedium."

Physician, heal thyself.

...and yet another thread devolves into crap, all due to the evil power that is MM.

The Markles are a dysfunctional family, no one escapes from these families without any kind of dysfunctions themselves. No one looks good here, not dad, Sam, or Meghan. Meghan has decided to play in the muck herself, so she has no sympathy from me.

R499 Bitch please. Some people swear for fun. You're relentlessness is annoying though.

I"M NOT MAD BUT I WILL SWEAR IF I WANT TO, BITCHES (since R501 made that special request). 😘

R502 sarcasm

I don't mind Meghan's white dress, but the turtle neck looks like it's trying to eat her face.

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Some of the comments here are fun, and then you have R449 / R461

MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you girls need smelling salts?

What some people need here on this thread are some valium.

Now I understand Daddy Markle's comment to PH -- about not "hitting" Meghan. At first, I found it insulting to PH, implying that he is the kind of man who would hit a woman. Now, I understand. She is so infuriating that a husband would be tempted to smack her. I would. Ignoring royal protocol, walking in front, causing unnecessary grief in the press, upsetting Eugenie's wedding, not inviting PH's close friends, enough to make any husband lose it.

It's rather amusing to see people talking about how MM is destroying another BRF thread, but the fact is, she IS sucking the air out of the royal room, metaphorically speaking, so it's like spitting in the wind.

Kate came out in a beautiful white dress at the BAFTAS. Noted. End of Story.

A day or two later, the Markle Family Saga is all over the news again. What are we to do? It's not our fault William and Kate are keeping a low profile. The Sussexes ARE part of the BRF.

It's just unavoidable.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R449/r461, btw, is also r473, who called for lynching MM.

R513 - I think you might need to add R510, condoning domestic violence against Meghan by Harry.

The British Royal Family is called The Firm.

Like any other firm, they have duty requirements, rules of conduct, a dress code etc...Every so often they "hire" a new member with the expectation that the newbie will adapt and "fit into the hierarchy". They assume that this individual is eager to please and therefore knows that the best way to survive is to keep their head down, work hard, mingle nicely with colleagues and follow the guidelines laid out. There is usually a 3-month to 6-month "trial period" so the company can decide whether this person "gels" with the firm's culture and if they're a true "team player".

After less than a year in The Firm, Meghan has created a "toxic environment" with her behavior. The only way to deal with a troublemaker is (1) give them a "warning" that if they don't shape up, their actions will have dire consequences and/or (2) "let them go" and cut your losses.

Moral of the story: Personally, if Meghan doesn't already know her place in the hierarchy, know how to conduct herself or follow the rules, there is only ONE course of action The Firm MUST take. She needs to be "fired" sooner rather than later.

R515 - "The Firm MUST take. She needs to be "fired" sooner rather than later."

Sacking Meghan means sacking Harry. They would have to leave Britain, and they would take the Queen's great-grandchild with them.

So, even if this were the Firm's most fervent wish, it isn't something they can do. At least, not now and not for the next 2-3 years. Only if and when Harry is miserable enough in the marriage will it become feasible.

Meghan's bump now looks like a basketball. What happened since the last time we saw it?

R516 - it was The Queen who finally got fed up with the fighting between Charles and Diana in the press until she told them to get a divorce. The Firm can find a solution to every problem.

The SohoBébé is looking mighty "different"...almost like another baby.

R518 - Yes, but it was only after the publication of the Morton book and the realisation that Diana had been behind it. they had been married for fifteen years. And Charles had been miserable from the engagement onward. He had gone back to Camilla by the time Harry was a small child.

I don't call that finding a solution - I call that waiting for the Titanic to sink.

Charles and Diana’s marriage was long-broken, and the “Firm” didn’t do anything until both of them were miserable beyond recognition.

Has there ever been a definitive explanation/discussion as to WHY Charles and Diana went ahead when they had more warning signs than road construction? I know Charles was under pressure to marry, but surely there were other aristocratic virgins somewhere in GB???

I agree, R520. Until Harry and/or Meghan decide to end the marriage, the family is stuck with her.

I'm sure they're still hoping for the best: that she'll somehow develop some integrity and turn herself around after the birth of this baby.

Actually, there weren't very many, R522. Tina Brown talked about it in her Diana biography: The swinging lifestyles of the '60s and '70s had led to a lot of hard-core partying in the privileged set, just as in all the other sets, and aristocratic virgins were thin upon the ground.

R522 I don’t think either Charles or Di thought there were any red flags before they got engaged. Once they had wedding fever gripped the country so massively that backing out wasn’t really an option - although apparently both wished they could.

I actually think Harry found himself in the same boat with Meghan. Once he put out that statement, the press started to count the days until an engagement, which was absurd as they’d only been dating a few months at that stage. Their romance became such massive news that he probably felt that dumping her would cause shockwaves he didn’t feel he’d be able to cope with.

I have no evidence for this, of course, and I may be a lone voice but I genuinely don’t think he’s ever been truly in love with her...not even infatuated. His body language around her is incredibly artificial - coupled with the (to me believable) stories of him becoming a different person since getting with her, and not for the better. Happily in love people become their best selves not petulant, argumentative arseholes snapping at everyone.

So why did he marry her? Same reason Charles married Di.....it was time & there was no one better on the horizon.

But was there no one with the right bloodline who understood The Firm and was willing to look the other way in private in return for BEING QUEEN? It seems like Diana was the worst possible choice (personality wise)

Diana has serious mental health problems and was emotionally damaged by her parents' divorce too. She was someone who was never going to make any man happy, be it Charles or anyone else, such was her unstable personality. Charles probably thought like the rest of the RF that Diana was young enough to be molded and controlled. Unfortunately they did not understand the degree of Diana's instability until later. Diana didn't start out as manipulative, she was emboldened by her popularity and status. She believed her own lies to herself and the press, eventually became too manipulative for her own good. I've no doubt that had she not died she would've been revealed for the disturbed person that she was. Shortly before she died, there was already backlash against Saint Di, the way she was publicizing her charity work and all. Of course there were the married men she was running behind with.

I agree, her wearing white outfit, just a day after Kate reveals her to be sooooo insecure and clueless in terms of style.

I wonder what would have happened if William had brought home a girlfriend he hadn't been dating that long, from the other side of the world, with no understanding of their background and a family made for Jerry Springer.

R529, they simply wouldn’t have allowed it. They would have paid her a ton of money to go away.

Harry was indulged because he doesn’t matter.

Another Moonbump fail! Unbelievable! Why doesn't she cover it up?

Shift left when viewing the middle picture on your display. You can see the outline of the damn thing.

It looks like a half dome foam pad.

As an American, I'm kind of amazed/thrilled that the first American to join the BRF (no, I don't count Wallis the outcast) comes from a family that is a breathing example of all the worst stereotypes about us. The only way they could be worse is if they were interviewed at a Trump rally.

If Megs was half the evil genius some think she is, she would've had them poisoned after her first date with Harry.

Yes her family represents eveything the world hates about Americans.

Charles was under huge pressure to marry, and Diana was obsessed with marrying him. The press frenzy over the beautiful fresh young English aristocrat was unbelievable, I was an adult man at the time, I remember it well, and I've never seen anything like it since, never. So Charles was well and truly corralled, by timing, circumstance, and the press. I think he hoped it would work out because she seemed like the right "type", and like many people with narcissistic issues, Diana was good at presenting whatever facade would get her to her goal. But that facade began crumbling about halfway through the engagement, and even more so in the first months after the marriage. She was rude at the Queen's dinner table at Balmoral in August and September, when the year before she had played the sweet country girl who was just crazy about the area - dutiful, demure, jolly, and adoring.

It all began to fall apart really quickly, and the public knew nothing, least of all because Diana got pregnant so quickly. But Charles was stuck and he knew it. He was the Prince of Wales, not the sixth in line, and divorce just wasn't a possibility. I think they both tried for four or five years, but by the time Harry was born, it was all over, really. And still the public knew little to nothing.

I don't know if that's what's going on with Harry, but some things haven't changed that much: an early divorce, no matter how miserable he is (if he is) is just out of the question. It would still leave egg all over the BRF's faces, and will take years and two kids. So the die is cast, and Harry will have to sleep in the bed he's made.

The beneficiaries will be the posters on DL.

Look, I genuinely wish for them to have a safe delivery of a healthy baby. But ugh, as a previous poster said, I pine for the return of the modest Lucy Ricardo maternity smock. Thanks a lot, Demi.

I view the ongoing Sparkle and Dim coupling as a side show at the circus.

They are not the main event. And people that matter know that they are only a side show.

So while the main, important events continue - The Queen, The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, the Princess Royal, the Wessexs, the Gloucesters - dutifully showing up and trying to fulfill their responsibilities, the circus side show is off on a far part of the fair grounds in a tent waving a red flag with a barker yelling "Over Here!" "Look Over Here".

I don't think it's even going to last a couple of years. Even for an ordinary person, let alone someone who craves adulation, the dislike and contempt voiced in the international media must be torture. And it's like a hydra: as soon as you cut off one head, two grow back in its' place. The stress would be enough to drive someone into a health crisis or a nervous breakdown. I think she will bail.

Death to maternity smocks, but I do agree with smoothing foundation garments to cover protrusions, whether they be nips or navels.

R538, ok but can we not flaunt the "bump" (yech) in skintight, body-hugging fabric? Can we mute the silhouette just a tad?

I’m with r539. The outfit in and of itself was fine but it was stretched like a drum skin over the belly, that is NOT a good look no matter who you are.

When my sister was pregnant she wore these things not quite maternity smocks more like normal dresses but with a smooth pleat going from under the bust line to the hem. They looked elegant and stylish. She needs to look professional in her work so it was just right.

She is not like Diana. puke! She wishes...

R539 I don't have a problem with the silhouette. Showing a pregnancy isn't flaunting it. That's tabloid speak. Wearing a smock isn't hiding it either. I'm in the "different strokes for different folks" camp.

Empire waist or mock-smock dresses can look very elegant on pregnant ladies. I prefer Kate's maternity style over Meghan's any day. Meghan's maternity wear is very L.A. Kardashian, frankly I don't even think it's all that comfortable so she's wearing them for the attention factor.

It's vulgar, like any overly revealing attire. It lacks class, taste, discretion, elegance.

"Tabloid speak" - eye roll.

The DM is of the view that women wearing regular clothes are flaunting their trim pins, flaunting their curves and teasing their cleavage. It sounds silly to me.

FFS, can she ever stop walking in front of Harry?

Wonder if the observation about Harry looking and behaving less than happy these days has to do with Meghan becoming pregnant so quickly? Meghan likely dictates family planning, and with her age it was necessary to get pregnant right away. Unlike Eugenie who's still young enough to delay parenthood for a few years and happily live married life as a couple with Jack. Kate and William got engaged in October 2010, got married in April 2011. Kate's pregnancy was announced when she was only 2 months along in December 2012, so they had more than a year of living as a married couple. I think that's very important for a couple for the purpose of intimacy and deepening the relationship. You'll never get that part of your life back as it 's not comparable to when the children leave the home later on. For men today, I think it could be disconcerting to be engaged, married, then fatherhood in such a short length of time, as Harry is experiencing. Not to say he's unhappy about it. But unless they're religious, most men would prefer not to be on such a tight schedule, and instead would love having more time as couples rather than families.

[quote]Diana didn't start out as manipulative, she was emboldened by her popularity and status.

I'm not so sure she wasn't manipulative before the marriage. According to Tina Brown's bio, following her parents divorce, Diana was primarily responsible for making the lives of a succession of nannies sufficiently miserable that they resigned. As described by Brown, she hated them all and connived to make sure they weren't around long. She felt abandoned by her mother (her father did not allow her to take the children with her), so she could have been creating the circumstances under which she'd be abandoned again as a repetition compulsion.

Ugly divorces (as the Spencers was) fucks kids up. Acting out with nannies is hardly unexpected.

Harry's really the one. Dunning-Kruger in action. No one will forget he brought this ludicrously posturing Real Housewife and WAG wannabe into the royal family, thinking she would impress. Because she impressed HIM. He showed his ass raw.

[quote] The weirdest image of the wedding day was William and Kate extracting their kids from the bridal party during the recessional and walking them up and out themselves.

I don't think it was weird at all. The Cambridges were simply accompanying Harry and Meghan out to the front steps, as were Charles, Camilla and Doria. It would have looked weirder if William and Kate hadn't held their kids' hands as they walked back down the aisle.

Had to deny Mulroney her photo op with the Cambridge kids. You know she would've. That "Pippa moment" was soooo cringey.

It could be that they were so offended by MM's complaining that their daughter would ruin her wedding that they wanted their children's association with it to be as brief as possible.

Didn't Kate keep George and Charlotte separate from the other children during the ceremony for fear that they would be vulnerable to having pics taken by Mulroney? At least that's what I recall reading here. It makes more sense than separating at the recessional since the entire family was going to be outside to bid they newlyweds see the newlyweds off.

Jessica absolutely did want to “flaunt” her tight bottom on the wedding steps, Pippa-style. She’s constantly exercising on Instagram, of course she wants to show off her work.

Do we even know any of Kate's friends? Why do we even know that unctuous Jessica Mulroney's name at all? Rhetorical question. She's just gross, tacky as fuck and yet we all know who she is. Thanks Meghan.

Yes, Kate's friends have been named. According to the press, she had some of these friends over for her birthday tea with the family. The family attended the wedding of one this summer and George and Charlotte were attendants.

Is it protocol to have Harry walk in front of Meghan? She seems to always be racing towards the handshake before him.

Natasha Archer is Kate's stylist and friend. She receives the biggest credit or blame for Kate's post marriage style. She's a well-known name among long time royal watchers.

She's done a good job with Kate's styling. But Natasha is not as well-known as that Mulroney bitch, it's always the showy or tacky ones that get noticed.

That's life R561

Natasha is not known by recent royal watcher partly because her primary interest to the public is in relation to the BRF and she is expected to be discreet. Jessica had a public persona before she met Meghan and was more well known than Meghan when they first met. She is not an employee of the BRF and is under no obligation to fade into the background and after signing the official secrets act or whatever confidentiality agreements they make staff sign (in their own blood. lol)

Before the Kate stans come for me, that's not an endorsement of Jessica. I'm merely stating one obvious reason for the difference between her public profile and Natasha Archer's.

Unless one subscribed to her social media accounts or even knew who Meghan was, nobody knew who Jessica Mulroney was. But now she's on front page of DM.

Oh for 2015 when I'd never heard of either of them R563

R564. Mulroney was known in Canada beyond being on Meghan's Instagram. Her connection to Ben and Brian made her part of high society and media circles there. The fact that she helped Meghan enter these circles is what I think initially attracted the international media to JM. She has been cast as the powerbroker or kingmaker (pun intended) of the duo. She has been called the BFF but I don't think she ever was. The fact that she courts attention and is the polar opposite of the BRF makes her such a useful foil. As minor villainous characters go I enjoy her. The muscles in my jaw and my shoulder blades contract at the sight of her. Full body cringe.

Why on earth would she be wearing a moonbump, nevermind one that is clearly visible under her tight outfits? (Amal stayed out of sight.)

I’m Canadian and never heard of Jessica Mulroney before she appeared in the UK press. I still refuse to read about her.

Maybe you're too old?

I would have thought that bump was fake until I saw the chipmunk cheeks today. Her face blew up like a balloon.

R570, Yes, I noticed that, too. I've never said she wasn't pregnant. It just seemed (to me) that she was trying to 'enhance' it (I can't fathom why).

Nevertheless, the outlines of the moonbump have been clearly visible on more than one occasion. Why? And why not hide it better? I guess she wants to look like a Kartrashian who always seemed to be risking complete nudity after seams gave in the skin tight stretched maternity get ups they favor. Such trash. I hope she ends up not able to pay her PR firm and fades into complete obscurity.

People do it

Wonder what's going on here?

Ah they’re coming for us 😂 !

She doesn’t hide that moonbump because she already convinced most people that she’s pregnant . Everyone of them believe she herself is pregnant . Mission accomplished !

I was one of them. I just can't stand that smug Meagain in the feed so I dropped it. She's annoying and phony.

I wonder what the mood is at Castle Clooney this morning? Surprise? Confusion? Or is the bubble unbreached?

What are you referring to, R578?

Instagram and Twitter have been purging fake accounts that inflated number. It is possible that Sunshine Sachs, PR team for Me, Weinstein and Jussie Smollett, arranged for additional follower accounts to erm, enhance the sense that people care about her. Why not, makes the exhaustive daily PR efforts they make appear to bear fruit.

numberS

Kate looked great today.Perfect hair,stunning legs,modern look,not matronly at all.

R581 beat me to it - Kate again knocks it out of the park with chic, simple tailoring, beatuiful fit, bouncy fresh hair, youthful but not cloying. Oh, yeah, and showing her alleged "cankles" in black tights. I note the DM calls the outfit "prim and proper" and Kate the "Demure Duchess" and "the epitome of royal chic" (unlike that other slutty Duchess).

Meanwhile, further down the DM's page, after yesterday doing its obligatory "Duchess dazzles in . . ." over her Calvin Klein outfit, it reruns photos of the outfit BUT under the headline, "Body language expert reveals how 'overly self-aware' Meghan AVOIDED cradling her baby bump and clinging to Harry during Natural History Museum Visit to appear 'confident and resilient' amid family drama".

Say it again . . . Meghan Markle is the best thing that ever happened to Kate Middleton.

You've heard of the anti-Christ? Meghan is the anti-Royal.

I like Kate’s tweed suit, but skirt is a couple of inches too short. I know she’s going for “youthful,” but it’s just a tad too short. Looks a bit “juniors department.”

It doesn’t matter she is wearing a little too short because she uses black thights . Its a very nice outfit and proper too . Something Meghan can’t do even If her lIfe was depending on it .

Kate looks absolutely gorgeous but I wish she would use a slightly softer eyebrow color.

Yes no cradling of the moonbump and holding hands yesterday . Maybe they got the info from PC to stop that kind of behaviour .

Maybe PC extended some sort of threat. Harry looks anxious. Do you think he realizes yet that there is a good chance MM will leave him (like she does everyone else)? That he will be left alone to try salvage his relationships with his family and friends?

Baby name idea: Lady Luna Mountbatten-Windsor

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R591 Don't be dense. I was being facetious about the Mega effect TBH. Nonetheless, showing something his mother dragged him to doesn't count. Has he done it as an adult ie of his own accord?

R579, was referring to George’s failed attempt at quotable chivalry. Seemed to go over like a lead balloon. Wondering if he perceives that.

On Instagram this morning telegraph royals asked how followers thought Harry and her would spend their first Valentine’s Day as a married couple. An invitation to disaster. Best reply:

Meg will vacillate between continuously fishing for compliments from Harry and bossing him around. She may even give him his testicles back for the evening... but I doubt it.

R594 - if I remember correctly, isn't Harry suppose to be away for Valentine's Day???

[quote]'The trouble with Andrew is he wants to be me': How Prince Charles revealed the rivalry with his 'spare' younger brother who used to be 'very important'

[quote] Prince Edward went upstairs and found some of the Duke of Windsor's old kilts which of course were all the tartans that The Prince of Wales is entitled to wear, and he thought 'ooh those look rather fun'. So he put one on, and it fitted.

[quote] 'He went down to dinner in a tartan which was that of the Duke of Rothesay, and as he went into the dining room Charles went apoplectic and said "what are you doing wearing that? I am the only one entitled to wear that kilt. It is a kilt for the Prince of Wales. Go upstairs and take it off"

Charles does not play nice with anyone who tries to get in his spotlight. Perhaps Camilla is intentionally dowdy because he can't stand even the hint of competition. hmmm

R593 - William just became patron of the homeless charity Passage.

Will gets his hands dirty feeding the homeless. The two ladies probably loved ordering him around. LOL.

Now it's Princess Anne's turn to represent her mother at a Palace investiture ceremony. So far, it's William, Charles and Anne. Who's next?

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If I was chained to that cliched squawk box I’d be away for everything from Valentine’s Day to the Stilton Rolling Festival at Peterborough.

I just wondered if he's done that before...with any of his charities

(it wasn't clear )

I love Anne. Two seconds later she ripped that man’s arm from the socket.

So where is the link to part 200458?

Methinks it has been forgotten