Daryl Dragon is dead to me

Awww

Second-rate Carpenters.

He was only 76? They seem like they crossed with the pilgrims.

They were the new Carpenters. Record label and everything.

If you want to hear and dance to the gayest song they ever did put on “Can’t Stop Dancin” it’s REALLY fast so do keep up but during the instrumental break throw you hands up in the air real high when they sing “Woooooooooohhh!”

That’s too fucking bad.

how sad.

fab !!!!

What was on his RCA Console?

Poor guy. According to Toni's tell-all he was wracked with anxieties.

That captain hat thing was getting old.

They delivered some great singles...

Muskrat Love was the shittiest song of the 70s.

I’m the captain now.

A 45 of "Love Will Keep Us Together " given to me on my 6th birthday was my very first record album (of any format). I was thrilled!

Muskrat love referred to cunnilingus, not sure if you guys were aware of that bit of trivia.

His ship has sailed. Sad.

OMFG R12 ! My brother used to play that .45 over and over to drive me nuts,and one day I snapped,ran into his room and snatched it off the turntable and chunked it at him. It took 12 stitches to close the cut!

Death will keep us together.

He apparently did not like to Fuck.

He liked men

Fun fact: He ALWAYS kept the hat on.

I remember they used to have bulldogs. They're dead too.

After reading a bit about them I never got the feeling Toni was a very nice person.

I hate it when dogs die

He seemed pretty asexual to me, but then so did half the men who appeared on musical variety shows in the 70s.

The size of his pupils creeped me out. I often wondered if that was why he so often wore sunglasses.

Yes , r26.

Toni divorced him when he was seriously ill. When famous guys do that to women, they're considered evil.

He's not alone, r25 I know a lot of asexual or near-asexual musicians. There's nothing going on in their heads and in their lives, apart from The Music. There's only The Music.

They had a number of very good singles, but that one misfire - Muskrat Love - was really unfortunate.

They wound up being known for that song as much as "Love Will Keep Us Together."

And America has never gotten any flack for writing that garbage.

[quote]That captain hat thing was getting old.

Sorted!

R28 Daryl looked fragile and controlled by Toni, who reportedly messed around with women on the side. It was a marriage of convenience, and she bailed when he became too much of a burden.

R28 she felt trapped, underappreciated, desexualized, shut down, and closed off from affection. She finally got out, when she felt able to do so.

Even Daryl, after the divorce, finally admitted in print that he hadn't been such a nice guy to her.

Toni is from Alabama, r23, so she never really had a chance.

Toni is from Alabama, r23, so she never really had a chance.

Grrrrr!

R28

There were rumors the divorce was a legal maneuver for DD to qualify for Medicaid as his illness was depleting their life savings.

Tennille's book provided a cover story and also brought in more cash for her (them).

R28 Daryl was largely asexual and suffered from a childhood with a distant, cold, unaffectionate father, and adult high anxieties. Not great husband material, unfortunately.

I loved their music.

Toni was with him when he died....

[quote] Toni divorced him when he was seriously ill. When famous guys do that to women, they're considered evil.

It appears they did that largely for financial reasons, as she remained part of his life.

Always thought he had severe emotional/social problems, might have been on the Asperger's spectrum.

Which goes hand in hand with the asexual musician thing.

No mention of children in their article. He and Tony should be in the childless celebs thread.

Oh god

NBC affiliate reports that it was renal failure.

When she filed divorce papers, there was a "special mention of health insurance coverage" which lead people to believe the divorce was for medical costs. She also still lived in the home with Daryl when she filed the papers.

The "vicious divorce" sounded like a bunch of lies. She complained about his hair transplants, ffs. It didn't make any sense. In the context of needing to divorce so he could deplete his assets and get Medicaid, it makes a TON of sense.

Love Will Keep Us Together was a great record.

It was not just the pupil, r26; it was the whole damn ball! If there's a triad of fucked-up-eye deaths, Bill Cosby is next.

[quote]She also says The Captain suffers from megalophthalmos, a condition that gave him oversized eyeballs, which is why he frequently wore sunglasses.

They squandered their 70s $ on sex and drugs.

Probably on the spectrum. They wanted different things out of life for years, and she should have left him years earlier.

Did he ever give any interviews?

R43, on one of those old Rona Barrett specials, Toni said that they decided to remain childless by choice because they liked their lifestyle However, she also said that she was pro life so if she became pregnant, she would absolutely have the child.

[quote] They squandered their 70s $ on sex and drugs.

I doubt that, but I doubt they were ever filthy rich to begin with.

Between their records and TV show they may have had a few million in the bank, but they hadn't worked much in the 80s and 90s, and Daryl's illness probably took a toll on their savings.

What kept them together?

He was into hiring prostitutes.

Who gets the eyeballs?

I cahn't breathe.

If you're going to do it, R56, do it correctly.

It's, "I can't breath."

he seemed gay and a drunk but RIP.

[quote] he seemed gay and a drunk

Then his death should strike sorrow at the very heart and soul of every poster on this site.

That's too bad. Locally, both have been well liked, and until Daryl became ill, an active part of the arts and charity scene.

It's been fairly well known here that the divorce was about preserving Toni's assets from Daryl's uncovered medical expenses, which AHCCCS (Arizona's Medicaid program) was then able to pick up.

He was always on my Victrola!

Thank you for sharing that, r60. It is good to get a more local perspective .

I looked at her recent memoir and it was really bizarre. It's basically a long diatribe against him and how he ruined her life. Some of the complaints seem valid (e.g. he almost never wanted to have sex), but others are petty and make her seem stupid. When they first go to Roome, for example, she is furious he won't go into the Sistine Chapel with her (because they would make him remove his hat), but there's no explanation given for why she can't simply go in without him or come back another time alone). Similarly, when he insists they go to a health food restaurant in that city and she's furious she can't try Roman cuisine like pasta, there's no explanation given why they can't eat separately.

Roome

Do you have a [italic]Roome[/italic], R63?

[quote]Love Will Keep Us Together was a great record.

Yes it was, great sappy fun.

A song about rats making love is hardly appropriate for the Queen.

So she gets to keep her millions and the tax payers of Arizona get to pay his medical bills?

I am guessing not millions, r68.

Exactly. What's the prob?

[quote] she felt trapped, underappreciated, desexualized, shut down, and closed off from affection. She finally got out, when she felt able to do so.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

I loved their music. RIP.

[quote]A 45 of "Love Will Keep Us Together " given to me on my 6th birthday was my very first record album (of any format). I was thrilled!

You had a 45 that was your first album?

I hope R68 dies broke and alone.

I had the EP with Muskrat and Together on. I still gave it somewhere. I remember my brother teasing me about it.

I can't imagine I ever liked Muskrat though.

Here it is - I know you want to see the cover.

His father Carmen Dragon was a great bandleader.

Look up some of the old Bickerson radio shows on YouTube.

He took a lot of shit from Toni, but he was talented and likeable.

Love Will Keep Us Together was number one for NINE weeks. That was unprescedented on Billboard back then.

Always makes me think of the opening of Get Over It

In a sad time, it helps to remember a good time.

[quote]Love Will Keep Us Together was number one for NINE weeks. That was unprescedented on Billboard back then.

Always preferred the original myself.

[quote]A song about rats making love is hardly appropriate for the Queen.

SHE's who they chose to sing for the Queen at The Whitehouse in '76?

Third rate Sonny and Cher.

Yes r83 but much beloved by the gays for that exact reason.

"Sedaka is Back!"

I remember watching The Captain & Tennille, John Denver, Glen Campbell, Rita Coolidge and Olivia Newton-John on the Grammys as a little kid, and now they're all gone. It seems just like yesterday. Where has the time gone?

Olivia is not gone, dear. Be patient.

Not has Miss Coolidge left us, either.

neil sedaka rocked. loved him.

Well, professionally I'm dead.

Actually LWKUT was number one for only 4 weeks and it was the #1 song of that year as well.

Olivia and Karen used to snub Toni

A sad loss to the music industry. I grew up listing to him and Oates.

Toni Tennille Interviews Daryl Dragon

At the time of her book a couple of years ago Toni had recently moved to Florida to be near her family, but since then she had moved back to Arizona, I suppose to look after Daryl. I totally get her frustration with him and don’t think the book was coming from a mean place. In retrospect she probably should have moved on from him back in the 70s if she wanted children or a more normal romantic relationship with a man.

Toni is not a lesbian?

I love you, R93.

r93

I asked him to duet with me

“Do That to Me One More Time” was also a #1 hit for them. I always thought she had more talent, should have gone solo. Branched our. She would have been a bigger star then.

She did a number of solo albums.

Speaking of Rita Coolidge, has there ever been a more perfect pop song than this?

It's near the top but I can think of 3 C&T songs which could share that spot with her.

Captain & Tennille - Lonely Nights (Angel Face)

Rita was the queen of the Quaaludes. She sang as if tranquilized on depression or anti-anxiety meds.

[quote] Olivia and Karen used to snub Toni

You might want to tell them, gurl. The receipts show otherwise....

Did Toni like the gash?

Who can ever forget Rita Coolidge's stunning performance in Streisand's A Star is Born. She deserved an Oscar nomination over Gaga.

Ironically, the best ever Rita Coolidge performance was given by Catherine O'Hara.

Her More Than You Know album is excellent.

Ella knew quality when she saw it.

Captain & Tennille- Circles

How come he wore the captain's hat?

OMG Loved Circles! I totally forgot about that song.

Bald AF.

He had a weave

C & T - “Circles”

Ironically I was in a music store today buying records when I heard about Daryl Dragon's death. How fitting. A great musician!

When I was a kid, I had a crush on the Captain. I like guys with big pupils (heyyyy, sexydaddy Jim Lehrer!).

It was Toni who always gave me the creeps, with her mushroom hair, far-spaces eyes, and giant mouth. Her face always reminded me of the big Louisiana catfish flopping around on the floor at Tony's Seafood. You pointed at the the one you wanted, and a toothless dude would stalk over to the pen, club it over the head with a big-ass mallet, then hold it up for your approval.

[quote] her mushroom hair

That's bundt cake mold hair to you, bucko!

Toni revealed Captain's strict dietary habits in her memoir. Perhaps the lesson here is to enjoy food and drink while you can:

"But one of the first discoveries I made was that Daryl’s idea of an Italian vacation was far different from mine. It shouldn’t have come as a surprise, but if I had hoped that being in a city legendary for its fine cuisine would loosen Daryl’s draconian eating habits, I was sorely mistaken.

He managed to find what was probably the only health-food restaurant in Rome, and that was where he insisted we eat all of our meals. He refused to eat pasta made with white flour—and here we were in Italy, where everything was made with white flour! While other couples dined on terraces overlooking the river or inside beautifully lit cafés, eating wonderful Italian food and drinking wine, we would trudge up dark, narrow stairs to the health-food place, located on the second floor of a dilapidated building, where Daryl could get his whole wheat pasta and bland, steamed vegetables.

When I tried to coax him into trying something else he angrily refused, insisting that the food in other places wasn’t healthy enough. Daryl, always terrified about his health, was absolutely convinced that eating even a little bit of the “wrong” food would give him some terrible disease. And there was no convincing him otherwise. His irrational idea about food was just one of Daryl’s many eccentricities that made life with him so difficult for me.

Carmen Dagon's famous arrangement of "America the Beautiful"

Hey R119 - I was reading through the thread and thinking - “nobody else thought he was sexy when they were a kid.” I too had a gayling crush on him when I watched their TV show - I thought he was very handsome.

r7, lmao.

no way i can keep up to that tune!

As another poster mentioned, Toni could have easily gone to a fucking restaurant on her own. Visited the Sistine Chapel on her own, etc. But nope. I think part of her enjoyed being miserable and "trapped. It is too bad as she was a very attractive woman. She got more lovely as she got older. I hope she eventually figured out a way to have SOME fun.

Any relation to gay porn star Justin Dragon?

Daryl and his BIG eyes. I liked him too, in more ways than one, years ago.

Captain-less.....

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More like Dumb Donald, R120.

She's talking about a marriage in the 1970s, and it wasn't exactly normal for a woman to go off on her own after her husband was being a jackass on vacation. It was even less likely for her to do so on this particular vacation, which was in 1976 when the show was hugely popular, and they had already been mobbed in the US and Canada by fans.

If she'd left to do her own thing, he would have probably divorced her or edged her out of the show or something. Even in the 1970s, women were supposed to be obedient.

Older.

Dumb Donald the Cosby Kid, that is, not your current President

Very cute couple.

He was handsome then.

huh?

you travel to rome with your hubby and should visit the sites separately and dine in separate restaurants? 'why travel together at all if the itineraries are completely different?

A few years ago, Tennile wrote The Captain was a cold, distant man and their love songs were her effort to warm him up!

The guy had a disorder which made the iris of his eyes appear unusually larger ( alien eyes)

I'm not scrolling through all 134 responses, but someone put his name forth on the Deadpool 2019 thread. Kudos to you - you correctly named the first victim of 2019.

Creepy!

Well, I get why people are saying she should have done things herself, R136, but that's 2019 thinking, not 1976 thinking.

Remember how everyone flipped the hell out when Diana went to the Taj Mahal on her own? That was 1992. Some older people were scandalized that she was vacationing without her husband in the first place, like a common hussy.

So it's ridiculous for people to be scolding Tennille for not going it on her own in 1976, considering the context of the vacation. Maybe the problem was Daryl being a jerk with an uncontrolled personality disorder.

I wasn't saying to travel completely separately, but she could certainly have gone to a couple of restaurants on her own, or hell, pigged out on all of the pasta and vino room service could provide. Taken a private tour of the sites he wasn't interested in. It was the 70s not the 50s.

Toni is actually 2 years older than her husband Daryl. She was born in 1940 and he was born in 1942. They never had any children.

i get your point and i totally head on my own when travelling w friends and fam.

but id be seriously pissed if hubby refused to do any of the things i was interested in

I bet they were swingers in the 70s. That's probably how she found out that she was a lesbian.

After 40 years of marriage, they'd divorced in 2014. Though they were divorced, she continued to care for him through his illness until his death four years later.

Smart.

The whole restaurant in Italy thing makes it sound like he's on the spectrum--weird fixation, irrational fear driving things.

But if she knew he was that way, the thing to have done for the trip is arrange to go to dinner with friends. My mother actually travelled by herself to Italy in the early 60s--met with some harassment from men, but it was totally doable.

Sexual harassment in public places in Italy is very bad, no matter what the woman looks like, but a blonde stunner like Toni in the Seventies? No way.

R146 It can be similar for men too. I know a guy who went to Italy and young men (probably hustlers) went right up to him, touched him, as well as groping his pockets, hitting on him, all in broad daylight.

[quote]What kept them together?

"And America has never gotten any flack for writing that garbage."

America wrote that garbage, r30? America wrote "Muskrat Love"? What the fuck are you talking about?

Has Helen Reddy released a statement? Melissa Manchester? Leo Sayer? ... anybody?

I picture Toni mounting him on his deathbed singing "Do That To Me One More Time."

After the break, we'll have The Captain on the phone to share his thoughts on the death of Tennile.

So, they had six hit records, including two No. 1's?

[quote] Though they were divorced, she continued to care for him through his illness until his death four years later.

Because, as has been mentioned maybe a thousand or so times in this thread, their main impetus for a legal divorce was financial.

The group America recorded the tune, but Muskrat Love was written by Willis Alan Ramsey.

I'll never understand why headlines always say 'dies" instead of "died". Unless of course the person is still dying...

Dragon designed a recording studio (Rumbo Records) in the late 70s that became enormously popular (G&R's Appetite for Destruction was recorded there, and a who's who of other acts like T Petty & The Heartbreakers, Stevie Nicks, Rage Against the Machine, Heart, KISS, on and on). I believe they owned it until the early 2000s. I would think they earned a good deal of money operating that studio.

It always blew my mind that Toni sang backup on Pink Floyd's The Wall.

Captain Sanpaku!

r153

Basically, if you go by Cashbox they have three #1 records. ("Lonely Night" went to #1 on Cashbox and #3 on Billboard)

We can argue about which one bears more muskrat guilt ... but she was the real talent in the act.

If Toni had kids, she would have had someone else to go to the restaurant with.

Mommy, please buy me this!

Toni's memoir had a DL thread:

No condolences from Susan Dey yet??

[italic]O Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done, / The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won, / The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting, / While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;

But O heart! heart! heart! / O the bleeding drops of red, / Where on the deck my Captain lies, / Fallen cold and dead.

Toni's favorite performance from her TV show, Dionne Warwick & Toni Tennille - He's Gone

R166 Thanks. Wish I had pipes like that. Dionne looks so great then.

“I remember standing outside the gates of Vatican City, with its gilded domes topped with their multi-colored flags visible over the stone walls, and realizing that Daryl was being absolutely serious when he said he wouldn’t take off his hat to visit the holy city.

There we were, just steps away from some of the greatest museums and cathedrals in the world, including the Sistine Chapel, which I’d always dreamed of seeing with my own eyes. But, because Daryl absolutely refused to take off his hat for a few hours, I wasn’t able to go in. After another glum meal of brown rice at the dank health-food restaurant, we headed back to the hotel.”

Sorry he died, but their music was crap.

More of Daryl's diet tips:

“But many other ideas were just plain bizarre. For example, Daryl decided one day that he wouldn’t eat any purple foods—even organic eggplant picked fresh from our garden—because he believed purple foods were “negative.” It was quite convenient for him that purple foods weren’t very common, or he very well might have starved to death.

As a result of his food paranoia, Daryl continued to seek out vegetarian health restaurants to the exclusion of all others, and those were hard to find in many of the cities we were playing. Dutifully, I continued to join him in the hotel room for meals of brown rice cooked over a portable hot plate while everyone else went out to the best restaurants in town—pizza in Chicago, seafood in Boston, or soul food in the smaller southern towns. Sometimes I would go out with our musicians and crew to have a somewhat “normal” meal after Daryl had retired for the night.

We always had our own hotel rooms because Daryl usually just wanted to be alone. He liked me to come to his room and visit with him for a while; we’d talk and listen to the radio or “eat the food he’d cooked on the hot plate. But I could always tell when he was ready for me to leave because a certain expression would come over his face . . . boredom maybe? Whatever it was, I’d take the hint that I was dismissed and go off to my own hotel room, where we’d end the night apart.”

Excerpt From: Toni Tennille.

[QUOTE]Daryl Dragon is dead to me

You mean 'he was once actually alive' in your eyes ?

Holy shit !!!

"In one particular situation, he was forced into being the butt of an absurd skit that became, I later realized, what was probably the final straw for Daryl. We had invited the soul-rock group, the Spinners, who had a huge hit with their fabulous song “Rubberband Man,” to perform on the show. The choreographers arranged for me to dance and sing with the group. But they couldn’t figure out what to do with Daryl.

Instead of just letting him sit the number out, they concocted a hair-brained idea to have Daryl ride circles around us on a moving platform and pretend to play a kind of harp of large rubber bands. Daryl was livid at having to take part in this skit—which was just ridiculous even on a variety show level—and it took a lot of cajoling and begging to get him to do it.

Some people might have been able to laugh it off and just go along, but Daryl was unable to do this. When you watch the “Rubberband Man” number you can see the misery on Daryl’s face as he makes slow circles around the Spinners and me on his rubber-band cart while we sing the song. I really felt so bad for him.

That’s one instance I wish we’d put our foot down and said no. But when you’re caught up in the whirlwind and nonstop pace of taping a television show sometimes it’s easier just to give in."

From "Toni Tennille: A Memoir"

There's a clip of her, Natalie Cole and Elton John on some awards show. Elton says something like "we're Peter Paul and Mary but which one is Mary" after which he grabbed both their asses. Natalie is clearly furious but Toni has a good laugh about it.

I don't know. IMO, Toni just always looked like a beaming attention whore.

“When the moment came to announce the winner of Record of the Year, I prepared to smile and clap graciously when the camera panned over us after we didn’t win. Stevie Wonder took the podium to announce the winner, opened the envelope, and ran his fingers over the braille imprinted inside. Then with a great big smile, he leaned to the microphone. “And the winner is . . . Captain and Tennille!”

For a moment we were both frozen in our seats as the audience burst into applause all around us. I looked at Daryl and saw that he was stunned too. As though in a dream, we rose and walked up the aisle to the stage toward an enthusiastically grinning and clapping Stevie. However, the folk singer Joan Baez—who was standing with Stevie at the podium—was not wearing a smile as she handed the Grammy to us. There was no doubting her obvious disapproval of a “hokey” pop couple like Captain and Tennille winning Record of the Year! The ungracious reception stung—but just for a second. Once I turned to the microphone, I completely forgot about it. On behalf of both Daryl and me, I thanked our fans, A&M, Neil Sedaka, and Howie Greenfield. I knew that my mother and three sisters sitting in the audience, and my father watching from home on television—all the people who had loved and believed in me since I was a little girl so small that my feet wouldn’t touch the piano pedals—were sharing in my proud moment.

“Love Will Keep Us Together” had been named Record of the Year for 1975. We couldn’t believe it, and neither, apparently, could our record label. For in the chaos after the event, as we shook hands and received congratulations and posed for pictures with our award, someone from A&M nervously approached to inform us that we were the guests of honor at the A&M Grammy party being held later that night. Guests of honor? We didn’t even know that A&M was throwing a party! It finally dawned on us that until we won the Grammy, we won the Grammy, we hadn’t actually been invited to our own label’s party.

It was a prime example of our how our squeaky-clean image had kept us isolated from much of the entertainment industry social scene. The Grammy was the biggest event of the year and the after-parties, which often lasted until dawn, ran freely and quite openly with champagne and cocaine alike. The A&M party would be no exception. But because the Captain and Tennille had unexpectedly won one of the top awards of the night, hasty arrangements were made to get us to the party. Daryl and I made an appearance to a barrage of applause and cheers, shook some hands, and went home with our Grammy, leaving the rest of the party to celebrate as outrageously as they wanted.”

Excerpt From: Toni Tennille: A Memoir

RIP…

R119, I totally get it. The man was sexy AF to me.

Cut or uncut?

2 Bad, So 😭

"It always blew my mind that Toni sang backup on Pink Floyd's The Wall."

Not really. Before they were pop stars they were both touring and studio musicians. They played snd sang on Elton John and Beach Boys records and others. Probably at the Caraibu Ranch. Toni sang the lead and backrounds on all the C&T albums so she probably knew how arrange backing vocals which Pink Floyd used a lot.

Caraibu Ranch ..........

Oh, Dear !

The Captain & Tennille always reminded me of a mediocre lounge act like Tony Orlando & Dawn.

Has that rude bitch Susan Dey said anything yet? She'll get hers.

mediocre lounge act=70s variety show

R172, no wonder he was pissed. They made him look like a tard.

R172 The lyrics Toni is joyfully singing also refer to him as "that short fat guy".

Captain gets no respect.

So , Daryl how's the health food kick working Out for you ?

[quote]r183 Has that rude bitch Susan Dey said anything yet? She'll get hers.

Susan's there for Susan. And that's it.

Akron, Ohio; hello. You want to tell us about your memories of Captain Tennille... Better yet, three words: Game of Thrones. As a longtime fan, how did it feel to see Darren make such a big comeback on a hit show? Grammy Award-winning multi-instrumentalist and he could act; who knew?

Coming up, Academy Award winner Toni Colette, star of TARA'S THEME...with her upcoming book about their marriage. Stay tuned.

[quote] "It always blew my mind that Toni sang backup on Pink Floyd's The Wall."

She did some other rock stuff too as backup. - I know she loved Steely Dan.

[quote]A 45 of "Love Will Keep Us Together " given to me on my 6th birthday was my very first record album (of any format). I was thrilled!

I went to our local mom and pop store that sold some records and wanted the 45 of that song but had to get "Shop Around" because that's all they had in stock. My 6 year old self jammed to that one too.

Great clip R67. Damm, Toni moved around a lot. Dionne just sang.

It wasn't The Queen who objected to the"Muskrats", it was a tight-ass member of the staff.

So much hate for a sweet little pop tune from a decade that also gave us The Rainbow Connection, The Candy Man, and Afternoon Delight.

Didn’t he have a hot air ballon at the ready in the backyard in California that they and the dogs were to jump into at the first sign of an earthquake? Did they ever use it?

So does Toni like pussy or not?!

Ladies and gentlemen: I'd like to introduce my asshole...... GRRRRRRR!

They made the kind of music that appealed to people without FM radios--the last gasp of AM before the right wing idiots took it over. It was drek that appealed to young kids and old people who weren't ready for full on nostalgia.

[quote]So does Toni like pussy or not?!

She's more of a "dog" person.

He looks sexy and normal in the photo at R162. He really was on the spectrum. Separate hotel rooms? Wow...

He was diagnosed with Essential Tremor about 10 years ago.

Essential tremor (ET, also referred to as benign tremor, familial tremor, or idiopathic tremor) is a progressive neurological disorder that is also the most common movement disorder. The cause of the condition is currently unknown. It typically involves a tremor of the arms, hands or fingers but sometimes involves the head, vocal cords or other body parts during voluntary movements such as eating and writing. It is distinct from Parkinson's disease—and often misdiagnosed as such—although some individuals have both conditions. Essential tremor is commonly described as an action tremor (i.e., it intensifies when one tries to use the affected muscles) or postural tremor (i.e., present with sustained muscle tone) rather than a resting tremor, such as is seen in Parkinson’s, which is usually not included among its symptoms.

Oh, that explains his eyes. I know a woman with that, and it’s unsettling. She gets compliments on them, and she has porcelain skin and curly dark hair, and she looks like a doll.

And she’s the nicest and most wholesome lady ever, so it feels mean to be creeped out by her.

The Beach Boys were supposed to play on a cut of The Wall but didn't at the last minute, so they just used TT.

When mute husband sits at the piano with captain hat on while wifey sings, it practically code for gay! On both sides.

Those kinds of dogs are fashionable right now

Unsurprising how much ire for their music is present in this thread.

People who don't "get" their act either weren't there when they were topping the charts, or, if they were there, have never understood or appreciated fun.

They referred to themselves as the square Sonny & Cher, for gods sakes. They knew what they were doing and it translated to success.

They had some lovely music.

Thank you. Yes they did.

There music didn't stand the test of time in the least.

I hope you people are kidding about their "lovely music."

They were on play lists with Barry Mantilow and Quarterflash

[quote]There music didn't stand the test of time in the least.

Neither did yores.

r210 , you're on a thread discussing the death of one half of Captain & Tennille. If you don't care for their catalogue,

A) what are you doing here, besides acting like a turd in a punchbowl ?

B)Let's hear which Serious Music from the era of '70s Top 40 you find more valid

R213, pretty much anything else. Muskrat Love, seriously? It was shit then, and hasn't been played even ironically in decades.

No, no,nope. Not "pretty much anything else".

Answer both questions.

R214 state your (true) age for the DL record.

R213, you are fucking INSANE. Even Neil Diamond put out better music in the 70s.

Those two looked like they should have been singing at supermarket openings.

Do you mean Grammy and Golden Globe winner Neil Diamond?

Songwriters Hall of Fame inductee Neil Diamond ?

So you see a problem with him, too. Quelle surprise.

R219 = another who confuses sales & awards for quality

For people who aren't r214 / r217 :

I'm still waiting for the answer to my questions. You have all the answers and impeccable taste, so spill.

They had some good songs, but let's face it: they were basically a poor man's Carpenters.

I used to put my 45 records in one of these record holders. You could put dividers inside to separate your C&T from your Carpenters records.

I wonder if Toni and Lily lezzed it up after this interview, since Toni wasn't gettin' any from the Cap'n.

(when the hell did Toni Tennille have a talk show?)

Toni had a talk show in 1980. Went to LA during the summer and the actors strike a went to a taping. She had Ron Howard as a guest and I think Seals and Croft.

Nobody considered The Captain and Tennille the poor man's Carpenters back in the 70s, because the Carpenters weren't that respected either. There was an audience for both acts, and many more.

The Carpenters, Captain and Tennille, Dawn, ONJ, Helen Reddy, Anne Murray, Abba, and other successful acts were all considered light weight pop. And they all owned AM radio.

It took Karen Carpenter's death for the public to re-assess them as time went by.

Then Captain and Tennille? The Carpenters? Connie Francis? Olivia Newton John? Neil Sedaka?

Datalounge certainly has some edgy tastes in music.

It's about having an appreciation for nicely crafted melody, and smooth, well blended sounds, with accomplished vocals and polished arrangements.

Nobody here said anything about being edgy.

R277 tell 'em, you're 100% correct.

[quote]They made the kind of music that appealed to people without FM radios--the last gasp of AM before the right wing idiots took it over.

I programmed exactly that sort of radio format, and you are right. However, in my experience, many listeners to those old adult contemp and MOR stations still haven't moved on, and comprise a big part of the current AM talk audience.

Cripes, he looked like one of those Keane paintings.

A contemporary interpretation of Muskrat Love with stuffed animals.

her memoir is a fun read - she talks about going to a music industry party in L.A. and on the way to the bathroom she unwittingly walks into a bedroom with a bunch of people on the bed snorting coke. They all turn and stare at her and she hurries out.

In pop music, sales is absolutely equated with quality. If people aren't listening to something that's meant for mass consumption, it's no good.

R220 , meet r235.

Toni should've gone solo in the 80s, sexed up her image as much as possible (she was never sexy) and taken a shot at a dance-pop career. Instead of recording standards albums no one wanted (only one charted, at 198.)

Did Ms. Toni, the concerned caregiver, manage to get there in time to grab herself a chunk of his will?

Muskrat Love sucked, it's true. I hated as a kid and I hate it now.

But it's ONE FUCKING SONG. Some troll seems to be obsessed with it.

I was the person upthread who said their music was lovely.

I also loved Culture Club's music, despite the shiteousness of Karma Chameleon. One bad song does not mean I don't listen to anything from that band. How bizarre.

Serving looks and funky realness.....

One of the more interesting songs in their catalog. Toni sings about a one night stand with a stranger. "Gentle Stranger", which was one of her favorite songs and she admitted it was based on a true event.

Anime eyes...creepy!

They were both creepy but great pop songs.

It's a shame no one had interest in Toni solo. Has she worked in the last 20 years?

There's a great living to be made at the Indian casinos.

He had three younger brothers and sisters and all died before him.

His parents lived to be relatively old.

His sister committed suicide at 61

Shark eyes

One of his brothers was murdered

At least ONJ was able to transcend into the 80s and left her 70s image and sound in the mud.

I bet Toni is glad Daryl is dead so she can finger her pussy at night.

I thought for years it was "Captain and Toenail."

You know, because of the sound they made.

R243: I have NEVER understood why she didn’t pursue a solo career that could’ve been going on for the past 30 years. I think she had two solo albums in the 80s and then nothing. Very few concert appearances as well. Total waste of her talent. If she was too bound up with that weirdo Darryl then that’s on her.

Love Will Keep Us Together is a guilty pleasure of mine. I fucking love that song.

It's ironic that Neil Sedaka's song {Love Will Keep Us Together) launched the Captain and Tennille's career, while another of his songs (Solitaire) sank the Carpenters career.

Still , I'd rather have the Carpenters career (12 top ten songs, 3 #1 hits, classier songs) than C&T (6 top ten songs, 2 #1 hits, fun but cheesy songs).

Toni did a few big band records after Linda Ronstadt's success with What's New. Although they were not big sellers, they were very well received.

i dont like their music but you must admit their tunes are catchy

R250 Was she somehow not able to before his death?

Do That To Me One More Time was used to hilarious effect on 30 Rock when the late Jan Hooks and Jane Krakowski, who were playing mother and daughter, sang it as a duet.

[quote] while another of his songs (Solitaire) sank the Carpenters career.

Uh, no.

I thought Karen Carpenter's inability to keep a meal down sunk the Carpenters.

r260:

R261

I hope you're enjoying your evening with the Socratic as your company!

Toni and Dionne Warwick sing Hall and Oates' "She's Gone," re-worked as "He's Gone." This is really excellent, and they got a standing ovation from the audience.

they had about 5 years of overall declining popularity. after their song "do that shit to me one more time" peaked on the charts their popularity nose-dived fast. a year later they were thought of as hasbeens.

In spite of what r264 says, there's no "shit". Just a great song .

For R192. I just learned that "Shop Around" was originally recorded by The Miracles on a Motown subsidiary label, Tamla. Toni changed the lyrics so the song was now from a woman's perspective in 1976.

Loved, loved, loved "Shop Around". Apparently so did a lot of other people because I heard it playing up and down the beach, wherever I went that summer.

Shop Around was a Billboard Top 10 hit in 1976.

Is it true the wife was a desperate cunt who served him with divorce papers when he was in hospital?

It's funny because Daryl never wanted sex with Toni, yet Karen had the opposite problem with her partner

R270 Well with teeth like that. there's not fucking way she's giving me a blowjob.

I see the tabloid reporter for The Sun's Celebrity division has joined us @ r269 .

Welcome!

You Never Done It Like That. Great and underrated.

And it's live vocals, done in a single sustained take.

I have the Song of Joy deluxe album reissue on CD!

[quote]r238 Muskrat Love sucked, it's true. I hated as a kid and I hate it now. But it's ONE FUCKING SONG.

Thank you.

SOMEONE. PLEASE take a moment to dissect your unreasoning hatred for that song.

It can't be the vocals. She's perfect.

It can't be the melody. It's as innocuous as Midnight at the Oasis.

It can't be the arrangement. It's soft and lush and smooth and expertly balanced.

Please describe which specific aspects of its mellow, gentle cadence have irreparably scarred your souls.

Who in the hell has simulated muskrats fucking in a song?! I know! Captain & Tenielle!

It's a G-rated Top 40 tune about a cutesy romance.

Do you really think the concept was to simulate fucking?

It’s supposed to be synthesized Muskrats mating.

Both gay.

There's nothing cute about Muskrats.

Some stellar responses so far, but not really anything concrete ...captains of the Debate Squad, were you?

r281

They want to be like us, but never made it

My fucking beaver is fresh!

R252, Toni is obviously something of a doormat since she put up with all of Daryl's crap for decades. She needed to be led by the hand to start a solo career.

"Supposed to be"......? R279 ? The lyrics describe quaint courtship, not coitus.

Try again, anyone?

Sorry to be such a pain, but as a gay man, I take an interest when large numbers of people begin directing unreasoning hatred toward anything, especially when they can't back their position up with facts.

R285

She is definitely submissive.

I haven't read her book so I don't know if this is in there....

In an interview, she said that their record label was promoting them as a married couple - which wasn't true.

She implied very strongly that the record label's promotion of them as married was the reason she went through with making it official.

It was said of Toni Tennille she could insert an entire billiard ball into her mouth easily.

Whaddya talk, r281 - we're plenty cute!

Your Honor, I'd like to present Exhibit A of why "Muskrat Rug" is justifiably hated.

Your Honor, if that isn't exhibit, here's Exhibit B.

^^^^ isn't enough

So Toni's a box muncher?

R291 that’s the most stupid thing I’ve seen all day.

Let's get something clear, Carpenters > C&T, by a mile, and yes you have very shitty taste and are an incredible dork if you take C&T seriously at all.

It would've been better with meerkats.

Everything is better with meerkats.

Looks like.......

If you compare Karen Carpenter's voice (extraordinarily smooth and rich) vs Toni Tennille (deep, powerful and capable of grit) I think Toni's was more versatile. The difference in their success was (IMO) Richard Carpenter's genius at arrangement and harmony. Daryl Dragon was no slouch, but didn't bring anything essential that couldn't be replaced by studio musicians. Not so with Richard.

I didn't like the tune to Muskrat Love, I hated the sound effects, and I thought the lyrics were silly.

I loved Love Will Keep Us Together, You Never Done It Like That, and Lonely Night.

r298

As Olivia Newton-John said when Karen Carpenter said (of her solo album) it copied the Carpenters sound?

Copied? You ARE the Carpenters's sound.

@299 thanks for someone finally being specific about it.

Toni's pussy stank. Even the dykes didn't want her.

What kind of last name is Dragon?!

Italian

From Toni's FB page 13 minutes ago,

[Bold] " MY HEARTFELT THANKS TO ALL OF YOU who reached out to me with kind and loving words since Daryl passed. The support I have received from my beloved sisters, my dear old friends...some I had not heard from in many years....my wonderful Prescott "Village"....and so many of Daryl's long-time fans, has been humbling and gratefully received. I am pretty overwhelmed right now with the many things that have to be taken care of, but ALL of you are helping me now more than you could ever know. It does make me smile a little to think that right now Daryl just might be rocking boogie duets again with Fats Domino and trading Blues licks with one of his idols, BB KIng. That would be Daryl's idea of pure heaven. "

Dragon sounded like one seriously weird dude.

Thankfully she didn't say Daryl's in heaven singing Muskrat Rut with Jesus.

^^^^^ Love, not Rut lol....

Has she started a GoFundMe?

Toni Tennille was gorgeous - nice hair, face and body - and she had a versatile, soulful and strong voice. She sang backup for Elton's "Bitch" song.

Just before The Captain And Tennille made it big, a music man in the industry told her to forget about it because at age 35 she was too old to make it in the music world. Then they recorded and released Love Will Keep Us Together (even Neil Sedaka loved it) - and the rest is history.

Is she still performing today? At least state fairs?

R312 She wants to retire because at age 38 she can't hit all the notes anymore.

R313 Whoops! Make that age 78!

There are plenty of singers performing in their 70s. Lazy cunt.

r270, karen had sex with Richard and women.

Did he know Carol Channing?

Daryl was one of my first crushes. As a 9 year old boy I found him dreamy.

[quote]r284 My fucking beaver is fresh!

Well, here's something you don't see every day...

R320 That was great except that it was all lip syncing.

His father Carmen Dragon was better.

A lot of posts are repeating. Good to know there are so many admirers, but we don’t need another clip of He’s Gone with Dionne or Lonely Nights.

Carry on!

For Miss R323, with love

My god, we looked like shit in the late 70s, and very early 80s! At least the girls dressed their age and didn't look like $5 hookers. Can you imagine now? They would all be fighting to have wardrobe malfunctions and nip slips in front of the camera. They would be knocking themselves over to have body parts falling out on the camera.