The Elizabeth Homes-Theranos Saga

I hate needles, so I’m sad it didn’t work

If any of the financial press who kept giving her blowjobs in the form of glowing fawning coverage had asked a single person who knew anything about medicine, they would have known it was never going to work, at least not with our current technology.

I knew it was a scam from the beginning

Eh, she was a piker.

The con woman on CNBC's con show

That's what is so scary and astounding r2, it showed how much of a mockery society is. Any snake oil salesman can achieve the highest ranks and the theoretical safeguards in place won't stop them. She foretold the coming of President Trump.

People wanted a successful attractive woman and she was that. I totally bought her act and was even jealous that she was so young and accomplished. And what she wanted to do sounded so great (no more needles) and was such an obvious improvement that it just seemed like a huge money-making idea. Of course, no one had ever entered that market before because it’s not possible.

Book is awesome.

Elon Musk will be the next one exposed

Yeah she definitely was able to play that well r7. People wanted to see a successful woman come up through silicon valley, and it is clear all those men had a crush on her which allowed her to play them like a fiddle.

Bad Blood was seriously one of the best true crime books I've ever read.

Although, honestly, watching the rest of the world figure out what kind of shell game she was actually running, and just how swift her fall from grace was was way satisfying.

n May 2018 John Carreyrou reported that American business and government leaders lost more than $600 million by privately investing in Theranos.[131] Major investments had been made by the Walton family ($150 million), Rupert Murdoch ($121 million), Betsy DeVos ($100 million), and the Cox family (of Cox Media Group) ($100 million).[14] The final liquidation of the company in September 2018 rendered these investments completely worthless.

It's funny watching these interviews in hindsight.

At 7:13 the journalist tries to get Elizabeth to talk about how her technology possibly works, and she completely dodges the question.

[quote]Major investments had been made by the Walton family ($150 million), Rupert Murdoch ($121 million), Betsy DeVos ($100 million), and the Cox family (of Cox Media Group) ($100 million).[14] The final liquidation of the company in September 2018 rendered these investments completely worthless.

So, she did a few things right.

r11, the board of directors included

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger

Former Secretary of State George Shultz

Future Secretary of Defense (recently resigned..) Jim Mattis

Former CEO of Well's Fargo Richard Kovacevich

Former director of the CDC David Helfet

And that is just a few names, some of the most prominent men alive were sitting on the board of her make believe company.

Well, in our defense, R14, we thought she was cute....

Jlaw is going to win her second Oscar for this. You can pencil that in. You can also pencil in all the DL threads bitching about Jlaw winning.

[quote]Former Secretary of State George Shultz

His choosing the believe Holmes over his own grandson just left me gutted. And the dude is almost 100, they ain't ever going to repair that before his time comes.

Yeah Tyler Schultz story was heart breaking. He tries to have a heart to heart with his Granddad, but he ambushes him with Theranos lawyers.

None of the investors/board members had backgrounds in science or medicine. Some of them (hi Betsy) are global warming deniers.

Science matters. Math matters. Technology matters. People's wishful thinking isn't real.

All those men on the Board were old and thrilled that someone from Silicon Valley was coming to them for advice. I doubt any of them have any idea what an email is.

The fracture if their relationship left me gutted as well, r17. I hope George Schultz comes around before he dies.

Does anyone remember the movie Made in Heaven? Elizabeth Holmes’s voice reminds me of that if the angel “Emmet”.

R17 he was probably hoping for a blow job in return.

Does the book discuss the innocent man that she drove to suicide? She is truly vile.

Yeah, his story is a big part of it.

Yes, the death of Ian Gibbons is definitely covered. The one silver lining is his widow does help expose Theranos.

Sadly, R22 is correct.

The woman is a sociopath who was aided and abetted by rich old men bedazzled by young pussy. All deserve to go under. But they won’t, of course.

I remember when the media was absolutely dazzled by her . They wrote nauseating fluff articles about her in almost every business publication. Nobody was willing to question any of her ridiculous assertions and the ones who did she sought to destroy. She reminds me a bit of Lance Armstrong, just a single minded relentless sociopath.

That’s a good comparison, R27. I remember how Lance and his team of vultures would set out to destroy the reputation of anyone who dared question or criticize him, including the legendary Greg Le Mond.

There’s a special place in hell for people like Lance and Elizabeth—not to mention the members of the media who were complicit in helping them prop up their little fairy tales. As someone upthread said, it’s a depressing reminder of how far bullshit can get someone in this world.

At least Lance's issues were just self-aggrandizing. In addition to Ian Gibbons, she could have killed other people who were using her phony results to make medical decisions.

While I completely bought Theranos’ biz and all that, I could always tell that Holmes’ voice was fake as shit. I figured she did that to appear tougher in a male dominated world. But was yet another indication that she was a psycho fraudster.

A source lesson in capitalism. This is how it works. It’s not meritocracy. It’s entitled helping entitled. Private equity has exacerbated the process by excluding those who aren’t part of the elite. Investing isn’t done by institutions with checks and balances - even banks had some standards and accountability unlike hedge funds. They fund each other and then are motivated to cover for each other. Journalism is one of the only bulwarks against complete tyranny of the rich - as Carreyour evidenced.

She was born in DC. Her father was a VP at Enron, because... of course. Her mother was a congressional staffer.

Yes r31, this story is a great example of the importance of a strong press.

The the thing that finally stopped Elizabeth in her tracks was good investigative journalism.

The wealthy don’t like being embarrassed, which is exactly why a lot of this was kept quiet. And what is with the fake voice?! Why would she do that the faked voice is terrible?

Because feminine voices aren't respected r34. Her deep voice helped convince people that she was smart, serious and trust-worthy.

The faked voice was part of her whole Steve Jobs thing. Black turtlenecks always and the masculine voice.

This is perfect for JLaw.

Yep. JLaw looks the part and has a low voice. Done right, this film could resuscitate her career.

I can't stop laughing at that voice, it doesn't sound like a naturally deep voice (which some women do indeed have ). It sounds like a woman trying to impersonate a man over the phone. What the fuck?

Her eyes look insane, I wonder if her psychopathy is genetic.

As a child when Elizabeth was asked what she wanted to be, she replied a billionaire. It really tells you everything you need to know.

She's a sociopath. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together should have been able to see her story was too good to be true.

So her dad was a grifter, too, huh? Makes even more sense.

Her and Ivanka would hit it off splendidly!

They could even compare notes on using fake speaking voices r44.

[quote]Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together should have been able to see her story was too good to be true.

The problem is that when Silicon Valley sees a bright, shiny object, they don't stop to try and rub those braincells together. They just start throwing money at the thing.

Seriously, from the first article I read about Theranos, probably ten years ago, I knew it was all bullshit.

She first started this bullshit when she was 19, and she already had her old Stanford professor who was a known name going out on a limb for her r46. She always had these well respected men wrapped around her finger which then gave her legitimacy to other people. It is all about networking and who you know, and that worked out well for her.

If not ajLaw, ScarJo for the part.

I meant J Law.

OP, re: voice. Wow you're attentive. I always thought her voice sounded weird and robotic, but what made you suspect it was fake? I just thought she was a dyke.

Trump will probably pardon her.

Shultz was probably fucking her or hoping for that. Holmes stole her boyfriend (and former Theranos COO) away from his wife when she was 18-19.

Wait! There’s more!!!

Lizzie is currently running around Pali Alto and other neighboring areas, pitching a whole new company to VCs! Yes!!!

They (VCs) are taking meetings with the tenacious lass, and some have actually written checks!!!

Not only is Lizzie doing this, she is also asking her currents marks, to give her another 50 million, in order to continue her bullshit with Theranos, which she is legally bound to disengage from in very specific ways, but can continue representation of, via fund raising efforts!!!

The book brings up that the voice is fake, employees mentioned catching her using a normal voice r50.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, of course someone like her isn't going to give up and fade into obscurity r52.

She should be in prison.

R52 The Dora Dumbfucks currently supporting this repulsive woman deserve to be scammed. That being said, I'm genuinely creeped out that she's at it again. She really is unrepentant , I'm not exaggerating when I say I would worry for the safety of anyone who would anger her. Holmes seems like she would be capable of anything.

Of course she's still a conartist R52. Sounds like the Theranos movie is going to have the same ending as Wolf of Wall Street '.

If you want a TL;DR version, this NPR interview with John Carreyou, the author of "Bad Blood" gives you the gist of the story.

She's a product of psychopathic genetics. A DC lobbyist mother and Enron VP father, two professions that are magnets for sociopaths.

any recent pics of her?

So they couldn't get Margot Robbie or Emma Stone, then?

They're both better at playing clever manipulative bitches than Lawrence, who hasn't grown up to be a very good actress. And yes, Stone isn't really pretty enough for the role, but the fact is that the real Elizabeth Holmes wasn't a great beauty or anything. She was young, blonde, and moderately pretty, and I'm sure she was very cunning and knew how to appeal to older men in person. Probably better at stroking egos than the other organs.

Jennifer Lawrence was the first choice. People had been talking about her playing this role before the movie even officially became a thing.

Jennifer Lawrence was getting first pick of roles at the time. I don't know if she still does, she's had a couple bombs since then. This will be a good test for her, she plays tough women well but they're usually underdogs.

The fake voice sounds like the voice Mira Sorvino’s uses in Rome & Michelle

Exactly r63. It’s so fake! How could anyone fall for that voice and not tell her they know it’s fake. It’s exactly like Frankenvanka’s baby whisper.

People who ultra modulate their voices are a giant red flag. Stay away at all costs.

I was interviewed by the WSJ about a story about her, because I discussed in an online review what a sham it all was back in 2014, based on my Theranos in-clinic experience where they did regular blood draws, and based on my aggressively thwarted attempts at finding out even basic information about the company, and my suspicions that some of my test results were made up (according to the FDA, they were).

WSJ then reviewed my labwork, which the Feds told Theranos to invalidate many tests and give me new results, but Theranos never bothered to do so, even after I asked. Within weeks of my request, Theranos ceased operations. For awhile, Theranos was sponsoring several Walgreens clinics in California and Arizona. Theranos probably used million$ of their investment money to pay off various corporate and government gatekeepers.

And capitalism is great right? People are so brainwashed that capitalism is the best system they block out facts like these and pretend like the Soviet Union/Venezuela are the definition of socialism. There is so much gray area in between and alternative structures - but those in power and wealth don’t want change.

Our democracy is proving to be an ineffective method of ensuring the greatest good for all and fairness and equality for all- due to Citizens United, psychological marketing manipulation (funded by those with power and wealth) and the poverty of education. Benevolent dictatorships - a la Bloomberg - may be our best chance at this,point. We a have to blow up this system of the elite supporting the elite. Trumptards saw this and chose an alternative (based on what he said and not who he really was)- who unfortunately was horrible. Bernies popularity stemmed from the same desire. I honestly think a socialist has a chance now. A fight between socialism and fascism is where we are at.

[quote]Her and Ivanka

Uh huh.

R65 Thanks for your input. It's interesting that there were smart people out there who smelled bullshit but were ignored because Elizabeth charmed some very powerful and influential people. Good for the WSJ.

[quote] Good for the WSJ.

Correction: Good for the WSJ's investigative staff. The rest of the paper gave her the most glowing coverage.

R66 Yes, everybody acts like USSR or Venezuela are our only alternative to this unregulated madness . One interesting aspect to this story is that Walgreen's ignored concerns raised about theranos because they were afraid that if they didn't make a deal with this up and coming company, than theranos would partner with their arch rival CVS. They were in such a mad dash to "win" Theranos that they didn't do Their research. Capitalism run amok .

Yep, Elizabeth had everyone convinced that this technology was going to be so revolutionary for healthcare that everybody was afraid of missing the boat r70. Safeway had signed on to be the exclusive grocery store for her products worried that their competition would get her.

R69 Oh I did not realize that the rest of the paper was complimentary towards her. Good for John Carreyrou and his staff.In any case, this whole fiasco sort of disproves the mentality that rich elitists are smarter than the average person. Obviously, some are, but many powerful people got where they are mainly by being born rich and by networking with the right people.

The editorial pages of the WSJ had given Holmes very flattering coverage r72, and the owner of the WSJ, Rupert Murdoch, was a huge investor in Theranos.

It shows you that journalism isn't quite dead yet that Carreyrou was still able to publish his work.

[quote]. Good for John Carreyrou and his staff.

He mentions many times in the book about the very strong firewall between the newsroom and the editorial staff. Credit that Murdoch has never pressured them to weaken it.

And that Murdoch refused to even consider intervening in the story when Holmes kept asking him too r74, hate to give the bastard compliments, but it does display some basic sense of integrity.

If they make a movie within a year - that's impressive efficiency.

Why did she event a transsexual spy voice for this character? It's creepy.

invent

Rumblings about the product and methodology were out pretty early on. I recall hearing BULLSHIT called on it as early as 2011, 2012 and 2013, being that investing was my job.

There was zero, and I literally mean ZERO transparency regarding the pin prick machine. She even made sure that interdepartmental communications were prohibited. Perhaps five people were privy to the truth, and one of those who did know, killed himself.

As soon as I saw photo after photo with the black turtlenecks, I suspected something was off.

is Elizabeth in prison yet?

Her criminal case is ongoing. She pled not guilty.

R75 very, very interesting that he told her no. She seemed to have such a hold on a lot of these rich older men. I wonder if for someone like Murdoch, rich enough to buy sex from high end models and prostitutes, perhaps the possibility of sex with her just wasn't as strong a motivator. Or maybe he's simply sharper and more astute than those other men.

I wouldn't say he was any smarert given he gave her a whopping 130 mil, but the reputation of the WSJ is evidently important to Murdoch. If he started intervening like that, every respectable journalist would quit in protest and his paper would lose its reputation as a paper of integrity.

Of course when you are as rich as Murdoch, getting swindled for 130mil isn't even *that* big of a deal crazy enough.

George Schultz always was and is a piece of shit. He wanted to get into Elizabeth's pants. That's why he tried to humiliate his grandson

Elizabeth comes from a family of scammers. Her piece of shit dad worked for Enron

Elizabeth is not and never was an attractive woman. No one was trying to fuck her, except for her former, equally unattractive COO.

With that (fake) voice, this is literally Elizabeth.

Mira still looks pretty good in 2018, let her play this person. She deserves another shot since Weinstein sabotaged her career.

I bet there were women who tried to blow the whistle on this chick and were swatted away and dismissed as “jealous”.

Mira is way too old.

This might be out of left field but I think Judy Greer could play her . I love Judy but I think she could pull off a chirpy, perky sociopath .

I wouldn't say Elizabeth was chirpy and perky.

R87 Holmes was in a highly protected situation. As a attractive enough blonde, I'm sure she knew that if Any woman criticized her, they would be deemed envious. If any man went after her, he would be labeled a misogynist who couldn't handle being bested by a woman . She was surrounded by male white knights on one side and you go girl career feminists on another . Had this been a young man, or a less attractive woman, her schemes would have been nipped in the bud much earlier.

She not attractive in the least.

Elizabeth had the DoD and the CIA in her pocket momentarily. This is a very complex story. Lots of money coming in for unexplained, unvetted reasons.

This chick, Ivanka, Butina, and other average looking women. these old, fat, cenobite looking heterosexuals are gullible and stupid. These women aren't going to fuck them. It's white knighting heterosexual bullshit.

Elizabeth did the same exact shit her idols did before her. She marketed a product all the way up the ladder of success. The problem she ran into is that she refused to slow down, and see if she could actually deliver. She was told many times that what she envisioned was not possible. She refused to listen, and more importantly, she refused to disclose this.

I don’t think she will end up in prison.

It's one thing (morally) to just lie to investors about her product r95, but she was actually putting it in stores, putting it in clinical trials, trying to give it to the military....all while she knew it did not work at all. She purposely tried to hide how it did not work and give people bullshit results. This was a product to help people make important medical decisions. She was toying with people's lives.

Jennifer Lawrence could re-use her Silver Linings Playbook character to play Elizabeth.

Agreed R95, in fact watch her come out of this starting over with some kind of government contract as her “penance”.

She sure did a lot of business with Republicans. Maybe she’ll go into politics.

VCs are always looking for the next unicorn--the one start-up that will make major bucks and fund the rest. There's a ton of money floating around for this. Here's the thing, though--VC and other angel investors have to compete for the best start-ups--the ones everyone knows will succeed. If you're not in the right circles, you can't get your foot in the door.

Holmes took advantage of greed and ignorance. It's not an accident that her funding didn't come from pharmaceutical companies or from VCs with an expertise in medical devices. She was funded by guys with big egos who didn't know much about medical technology. The pretty girl thing helped, but tons of young guys have done the same thing and tanked. Her notoriety is what got her in trouble--otherwise, Theranos would have tanked in a couple of years and Holmes could have pitched another idea a bit later and claimed to have learned from her mistakes. And, yes, someone would have funded her.

Can someone explain to me what the point of this article is supposed to be? Clearly, I’m too dense to understand the role of feminism in this fraud.

She’s a woman who wanted to play “office dress up”.

In no way whatsoever do I believe that this woman is stupid, nor do I believe she has a low IQ. I think that if what she had conceived was possible, she might have had a crack at it. But it wasn’t conceivable, because had it been, the already big players in diagnostic tech would have rolled it out long before she even got out of high school.

She had tons of hubris, and little common sense.

She should have finished up at Stanford, and she should have given herself time to develop something that could actually work. But that’s not what Elizabeth wanted. She wanted to be the next Steve Jobs, and she somehow fooled herself into thinking that emulating him, right down to his wardrobe, would do the trick.

I admire the fact that she wanted to do something special, but not at the cost of human lives.

If she learns nothing from this experience, she doesn’t deserve another shot. It will make no difference to her, I believe. She’ll probably see herself victimized, just like Jobs was when he was ousted from Apple. And just like Jobs, she’ll believe she has a comeback card stamped and ready to go.

This bitch doesn't deserved to be compared with Jobs are any Silicon Valley wunderkind. She never had a product and her fraud was dangerous, pathological and dangerous. She deserves to rot in prison.

[quote]it wasn’t conceivable, because had it been, the already big players in diagnostic tech would have rolled it out long before she even got out of high school.

Thank you! This is what I keep thinking.

She dropped out after the end of her freshman year, convinced that she could just "create" a diagnostic platform that could do things that none of the players had ever been able to accomplish with their many years of research and expertise in the field. Why? Did she have some new innovation in the science in mind? Nope. She just wanted to have a device that could do it, so she just started telling people she did, and then started pretending that she did. I mean it boggles the mind.

But jokes on us, because she got really rich.

She didn't, actually. The money is long gone.

You really believe that r106? I bet she has some stashed away.

R44--roomies in the slammer

[quote]the reputation of the WSJ is evidently important to Murdoch.

This is a pretty rosy view. The editor-in-chief up until recently, Gerard Baker, was leaning on the newsroom staff to go easy on Trump. Murdoch was perfectly ok with that for a long time.

"I don’t think she will end up in prison. "

I agree. Cute young blond types don't get harsh sentences, and I said the same thing on the thread about the 12-year-old sociopath who stabbed his twin sister to death for no reason. Neither one of them will do hard time.

Homes had the great advantage of being born into privilege and she bullshitted everybody into thinking she is offering them this great opportunity making them look open-minded by investing in a woman's very revolutionary tech business.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was also some money laundering going on.

Thanks to this thread, I’m now reading “Bad Blood.”

So far, I’m struck by the number of employees (brilliant people, BTW) who raised red flags, only to be fired/sued/driven out/silenced.

It’s a fascinating but depressing book.

The Republicans don't own this mess r99. Obama, Biden and Clinton were all singing her praises as well.

It shows how dangerous and destructive "controlling the narrative" can be when the obvious is pushed aside, because those pushing the narrative benefit from people buying that obvious lie.

I told Elizabeth to go slow, get the science right....but instead she listened to our friend Julie the cunt.

So she was selling a fake product? What exactly was the product? Instead of a blood draw, can get medical info using a pin prick?

Elizabeth claimed she had a device that could run hundreds of medical blood tests off a pin prick that took a few drops of blood r116.

It was all a complete lie.

Holmes isn't attractive. She is a scary-looking sociopath and pathological liar - just like Donald Trump. Holmes scammed hundreds of millions of dollars and Trump became president. We are well and truly fucked when people can be fooled by monsters like this.

So like Quest Diagnostics or other reputable labs never came out to debunk her claims? Or maybe some lab tech group?

Anyway I finally listened to that voice. She is not hot but as CREEPY AF.

Sounds like the altered voice on Dateline when they are interviewing a gang member.

It was quite gratifying to see her sociopathic ways destroy another asshole though (the "family friend" who engaged in the patent litigation with her).

And one more comment: is blood testing an expensive ticket item ? Usually blood work is relatively cheap. And had the gumption to release a medical device that did not work and gave bogus results.

And R120,tell us more,

I think she had some serious challenges as a child, developmentally wise. I’m not sure what went on in her home or school, but she’s absolutely not normal. Something is really off, and you can see it when she speaks. Her self esteem is in the gutter, and everything she says is bullshit.

There’s a huge disconnect between her reality and the reality of those around her. I also do believe that she is clinically a sociopath.

I think we are going to meet and hear about these folks more than we estimate. We have an entire generation raised online. This is our future. We are fucked.

Oh for fuck's sake, r122, enough with the doomsaying bullshit.

Here's an interesting article on the psychological reasons why she was successful (not considering a demonic pact or spell):

That’s what I didn’t understand, R39. I’m a (lesbian) woman with a deep voice (not butch thank you very much), and it’s not just the bass or whatever she’s trying to add, it’s the inflection too which is odd. It’s very unpleasant and affected.

R122, there have always been ambitious sociopaths like this, it's not an Online Generation thing.

In the old days they wormed their way close to the King or Caesar or Pharaoh and by strategically telling the monarch what they wanted to hear and backstabbing rivals, they got even richer than Elizabeth Holmes (see "The Favourite"). The main differences between the old days and now is that modern sociopaths try to become entrepeneurs rather than courtiers, and that the field of running fake businesses is now more open to women.

She will not do hard jail time. I guarantee it, they will go easy on her. I would actually be surprised if she goes to even a minimum security prison for a short time .

Agree, R126. They'll have her pay back whatever funds are still on the books as "restitution" while her big blue eyes fill with fake tears, and give her a dainty little slap on the wrist.

Which brings up the question, if she made fools of all these powerful men and lost their money, are they going to extract revenge when she gets out of her short stay at a minimum security prison, or is put on house arrest?

r126, the problem I see is that she took from the rich and powerful and made them look like fools. They will want some kind of revenge. If not in a legal way she will pay in some other way.

R127 I don't think they will. These guys have lost money, I don't think they're going to risk losing their freedom. And I suspect that there will probably be a damsel in distress narrative that develops of her being some innocent, abused scapegoat for her Pakistani romantic /business partners Svengali like malevolence. I know American culture, and there will always be a contingent of people willing to give her the benefit of a doubt.

[quote] Probably better at stroking egos than the other organs.

How do you think she was able to get on this stage?

There's something odd about her eyes, in every picture it's like they're open too wide.

Or maybe she just did something bad with her eye makeup.

She's a monster. Monsters have always done well for the past couple of decades. And now.

R131 I believe the medical term is "crazy eyes ".

[quote]Agree, [R126]. They'll have her pay back whatever funds are still on the books as "restitution" while her big blue eyes fill with fake tears, and give her a dainty little slap on the wrist.

She's already settled with the SEC for the financial stuff. She had to pay $500K as a fine and had to relinquish any voting control of Theranos (back when there still was a Theranos, which still somehow managed to get a cash infusion to keep it on life support. She's under criminal indictment for 9 counts of wire fraud and two for conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

First, the object lesson is that if you steal money from the rich, you'll end up in jail, as we've seen that crimes against people that can afford to get swindled are treated more seriously than those against people without means (*cough*TrumpUniversity*cough*). Perhaps more seriously, though, a few of the counts are about giving fraudulent test results to patients. One of the financial ones is for almost $100 million. I wouldn't be surprised if that's Betsy DeVos' contribution.

The only reason Bernie Maddoff rots in prison is because he scammed the rich. If he had just scammed some old middle-class widows blinded by desperation and greed he'd never gone to prison and just paid a fine while most of the money is hidden away in his wife's or his sons' name.

Those rich men's ego got bruised pretty bad by being scammed and humiliated by a woman. They will most certainly go after their pound of flesh. And it's not just done by making the entire family social outcasts.

Darn if fraudulaemt test results hurt folks health, then I hope she goes to jail.

But why is Theranos still operating?

[quote]But why is Theranos still operating?

It's not. It shut down in the fall. I worded that poorly.

But between the SEC shoving Holmes out of top spot, they got a $100M cash infusion that kept them from bankruptcy for over a year. This despite the fact that the entire world knew their product didn't actually do anything.

I am a pathologist. Many of my colleagues were very doubtful about Theranos technology before it all blew up. This entire saga underscored to me how woefully ignorant most people are about the Scientific process. That picture of Hapless Bill Clinton interviewering her -he among other celebrities journalists, and other nitwits who bought into this sociopaths story. She should go to prison for life for putting patients lives in real danger. I despise her.

The danger is that insecure assholes and fools run this world and put us in danger (yeah, Mary!) falling for snake oil salesmen, or in this case saleswomen, like Elizabeth Holmes. They were so up her ass that they threw caution to the wind and protected her from being revealed as the fraud that she is for as long as they could.

That's why critical thinking skills are so fucking important in the first place. Who should I trust with scientific gadgets, a professional scientist or Bill Gates and Bill Clinton vouching for a female entrepreneur?

I didn't follow the whole story, but were there any legit scientists or medical persons involved in this because even if you're a rich idiot, I would think not having someone with a medical degree involved and supporting it - as well as explaining the process- would send up a red flag.

[quote]I didn't follow the whole story, but were there any legit scientists or medical persons involved in this because even if you're a rich idiot, I would think not having someone with a medical degree involved and supporting it - as well as explaining the process- would send up a red flag.

I think they technically needed to have a doctor on staff in order to be certified as a lab. I think they originally had a pathologist, but she got so freaked out, she eventually quit and they replaced her with a dermatologist from Jersey.

Some of us can be bribed by the almighty dollar.

[quote] Some of us can be bribed by the almighty dollar.

Well, duh!

One of the real villains of the story is the law firm that had former Theranos employees who tried to raise red flags about the fraud followed and harassed. The firm, of course, will say it was “all for the client,” but I think its partners should be thrown in jail along with bug-eyed Lizzie.

And yet, we can get married specifically because of their attorney.

That made my feelings...complicated.

I'm inclined to roll my eyes at those who claim anyone with medical knowledge would have seen what a sham this technology was. Interruptor technologies create a lot of naysayers by their nature, so that proves nothing. They happened to be right in this case, but that doesn't mean your average MD is capable of evaluating cutting edge technology, especially in this age of AI and Big Data, which are basically black boxes and not capable of being understood by "classically" trained scientists.

^ this.

Theranos was not "AI and Big Data" at all, it was very much classical science. Working in a wet lab and figuring out how you can run these blood tests with smaller amounts of blood.

It was a situation that many companies spent money researching. Research science is not the same as programming more efficient software, it takes hard work in the lab to come up with advances.

It's not technology problem, it's a miniaturization problem. In addition to claiming they could test on very small samples, they were also claiming their machines could run dozens of tests at once. We're not there yet.

The other issue is that it's also a manner of getting accurate results with a sample that small. You can get decent qualitative data (does the patient have HIV or not) from a small sample. You cannot get good quantitative data from it--like, how high is the patient's cholesterol. Not to mention, the site of collection will also factor in. Potassium, in particular, is not going to be accurate from a fingerstick, because you're going to have blood cells burst and release it when it's squeezed through the skin. That can even happen when you draw from a vein.

But the biggest tipoff was Holmes herself. I could have maybe bought it if this was coming from Quest or LabCorp, or from a device maker like Siemens or GE. But for all the talk of disruptive technology, a working revolutionary medical device is not going to come from a college dropout with no scientific training. Sorry.

Thank you for recommending this book - it is truly fascinating.

[quote]It's not technology problem, it's a miniaturization problem. In addition to claiming they could test on very small samples, they were also claiming their machines could run dozens of tests at once. We're not there yet.

We're not there .... until we are.

[quote]But the biggest tipoff was Holmes herself. I could have maybe bought it if this was coming from Quest or LabCorp, or from a device maker like Siemens or GE.

r148, if you would have believed in this technology had another company proposed it, you acknowledge, then, that the logistical roadblocks you cited weren't the real source of your doubt, leaving Holmes' youth and inexperience as the only culprit.

Did any major venture capitalists invest in the company? That should have indicated something to any other investor.

Yes but not the ones specialising in HC sector

My doctors knew this was shit and posted signs telling their patients to stop using Theranos for labs back in 2015. They knew because they were seeing incorrect lab results.

R153 Now that is interesting because it suggests that this was common knowledge in the medical community. I'm shocked no one blew the whistle earlier.

Well the Wall Street journal article came out in 2015 r154. Interview doctors who were getting these whacky results from Theranos was part of the article.

Thanks VOTN for the info. I also agree with you about more likely that a traditional wet chemistry lab company would have made advancements and not some Silicon Valley funded “flash in the pan”

[quote][R148], if you would have believed in this technology had another company proposed it, you acknowledge, then, that the logistical roadblocks you cited weren't the real source of your doubt, leaving Holmes' youth and inexperience as the only culprit.

I would have believed it from those people because they would have, as the kids say, shown the receipts.

In God we trust. All others must have data.

But my turtleneck and deep voice!!

Bitch stole my look.

Yeah, the press loved her Jobs cosplay.

There's a hilarious story where, after Jobs died, she ordered work at Theranos to come to a screeching halt while she ran around trying to find a flag with the Apple logo on it.

R160, know a psychopathic no identity poser who went off the rails when Jobs croaked. Red flag. Crimson.

I know JLaw is the de facto choice for Elizabeth HOLMES, but, if a movie gets made, I think Jodie Comer (from Killing Eve) is a far better choice.

Jodie Comer is the perfect choice. JLaw is too clumsy looking.

This is a perfect role for JLaw. Oscar #2 it shall be.

Then she will be old and have to disappear, so haters rejoice about that.

VOTN, congrats on realizing your goal of becoming an orthodontist or whatever, but please go away again. You are so fucking tedious.

R131, the clinical term for that is “the crazy eye.”

I doubt that after the Weinstein scandal anyone is willing to take a risk with JLaw and cast her for a project like this. Too much unnecessary baggage.

btw. I for one love VOTN's contribution.

I love VOTN.

I doubt the Weinstein scandal will stop them from hiring JL. But what about Sarah Paulson she looks just like Theranos.

R161, I would love to hear more about that person. If you feel like sharing, I’d eagerly read it.

Paulson is too old.

I agree R 170, but it's a shame.

I'm reading this book, it has as much intrigue as a fiction novel! I'm at the part where Elizabeth just drove an employee to suicide. What a cold, calculating, lying psycho bitch.

R172 evidently when his widow called theranos to tell them of her husband's suicide she received no condolences. Instead Holmes called back with a demand that she immediately return anything in their house that related to Theranos.

After reading this thread, I bought the book and wow! Fascinating story. Holmes is a monster but so is her bf Sunny. I hope he goes to jail, too.

I'm not American and the laws in my country are bit different. Is it legal to treat the employees like Elizabeth and Sunny did? Expecting long hours, overtime and coming to work on weekends?

R174, that's Capitalism, baby!

There’s a podcast about Elizabeth called The Dropout

Her crazy eyes make her look like the sister of Mark Zuckerberg.

I subscribed to The Dropout, R176, Holmes' deep voice is really striking to listen to when it's isolated from her penetrating glare. It's frustrated that the episodes are being released weekly. When will podcasters take a hint from Netflix and drop their complete shows all at once for people who want to bing stories? Weekly episodes are so 20th century.

Then wait til they are finished and binge them to your hearts content r178. There is a very easy solution to your "problem"

[quote]There is a very easy solution to your "problem"

I prefer to come here and complain about trivial annoyances because "Pointless Bitchery" is the lifeblood of this site. I also would rather be current with new content and feel impatient than wait.

I'm listening to The Dropout now.

How dumb were these people?

R131 she looks deranged and sounds it too. She was a walking and talking red flag!

The Chiat/Day chapter with the gay ad agency guy who went up there to become her svengali was hilarious. Here they both are.

I was hoping he'd be hot.

Not so much.

Princess Beatrice with some weight loss and a dye job could nail this role. they have very similar eyes.

“Holmes had an ‘intense competitive streak’ from a young age. She often played Monopoly with her younger brother and cousin, and she would insist on playing until the end, collecting the houses and hotels until she won.

If Holmes was losing, she would often storm off. More than once, she ran directly through a screen on the door.”

Wow what a little psycho. Also, hilarious.

This bitch has psycho-eyes for days and days and days! How could people not see her for what she really was/is?

Because most CEOs are sociopaths and con artists. The actual product or service is irrelevant to their skill set in controlling/manipulating people and hawking a vision or idea that may have nothing to do with the reality. The idea that CEOs are genius needs to die. Most truly brilliant people knowmthere is more to life than the capitalist myth. People who buy into the capitalist myth and try to succeed in that framework are more successful if they are sociopaths with no empathy or concern about hurting people.

R188 I don’t call it Sociopath Valley for nothing.

I listened to the podcast this morning and I cracked up laughing at some of the clips that included Holmes' voice. I can see J Law having fun doing that voice for the movie.

R187 Crazy eyes was propped up (and protected ) by horny aged businessman hoping to fuck her. I guarantee you some did see right through her but were probably shouted down.

I meant businessmen, not businessman

I know Jennifer Lawrence has the movie role locked up. But, I think Betty Gilpin from Glow could play Holmes because she has psycho eyes.

Listening to Sunny Balwani, I'm reminded that the engineers had figured out how dumb he was, and went around finding ways to make him look even dumber.

I tried listening to the podcast but realized the story is too soul killing to give it that much of my time.

I'm just so addicted to it. I had actually never looked up examples of Elizabeth's husky voice, because all I knew about Theranos had come from articles and then Bad Blood.

The fact that she sounded like she was gargling broken glass didn't tip off anyone at Theranos that it was an act?

WHAT THE FUCK IS IT WITH HER EYES?

What?

[quote]I'm just so addicted to it. I had actually never looked up examples of Elizabeth's husky voice, because all I knew about Theranos had come from articles and then Bad Blood.

I had never heard her voice until the podcast. I read Bad Blood when I was off from work during the holidays and I read some articles while reading the book. It was a few days ago when I came across an article about the podcast and decided to listen. Holmes' fake voice reminds me of a famous woman's voice, but I can't think of exactly who it is.

I think the Holmes/Theranos saga would work better as a miniseries than a two hour movie.

She was even creepy looking as a kid. Did she have a birthmark that was later removed?

[quote]I think the Holmes/Theranos saga would work better as a miniseries than a two hour movie.

I think it would fit well into American Crime Story. I'm a little surprised they haven't optioned Bad Blood.

I know Tyler Shultz is straight, but I was surprised to hear some gayvoice from him on the most recent episode.

Just listened to the voice. Wow! A reminder that the rich aren’t the smartest - they just play a game that screws other people.

R201 Bad Blood was optioned for movie rights two in 2016.

Does anyone know if I can play Elizabeth's mother in the movie? It sounds like an Oscar movie.

How the hell did I miss this fabulous story while this was going on? It's inspiring and a triumph for good old fashioned investigative journalism. I know Carreyrou has other Pulitzers but if he hasn't won for this expose yet then he needs another.

I spent the last few days looking at Youtube vids about her and reading numerous articles. When I was a young pup I worked for a con man in Washington DC and it taught me a lot and I can always spot them now almost from the get go. That has saved me much time and aggravation.

I don't know why so many people think she isn't going to jail. She and her secret boyfriend are definitely going to federal prison and I'd say if she does ONLY 5 years then she's lucky. There is no way she is getting off with the duration of the fraud, the amount of money defrauded and the risk to the heath and safety of others she posed. The level of prison is dictated by the danger/violence level of the inmate and crime. Fraud does not get you maximum because it isn't necessary. That's just how the Bureau of Prisons works.

For the person saying they wished a fingertip pin prick had worked all I can say is there are more nerve endings in your fingertips than in the usual place blood work is taken. What's the difference between a needle and a "lancet" ( as Elizabeth insisted on saying) cutting into your fingertip?

I liked when the podcast mentions the fake voice. What an awful, mental psycho and bully she sounds like. I am sick of that type but might have to read the book. I hope Jennifer Lawrence does a good job, and she really has to capture that fake voice.

The voice sounds like Mira Sorvino’s in “Romy & Michelle.”

I read the book, which I wish I DIDN'T- I actually think the film will be better- If done right it will be dynamite. I would have rather just seen the film.

I think it will be similar to that Tobacco/60 Minutes film from 10 years ago starring Pacino and Russell Crowe, but BETTER.

There are a lot of dramatic elements with the co-workers and Elizabeth and that SCUMBAG boyfriend of hers are going to be fantastic characters/villains on film.

Why do you wish you hadn't read the book - because it wrecks the surprises that would be in the movie? Or because you didn't like the book?

maybe because its a soulkilliing depression story that says horrible things about our society and its supposed "best and brightest"

R205 I'm still not convinced she will do hard time though the boyfriend perhaps will. I think there is still a taboo against sending a well connected ,blonde haired, blue eyed woman to jail for a long period of time, barring some sort of Betty Broderick situation. Holmes is the daughter of a former Enron exec and a Washington DC lobbyist , they will be pulling out all of the stops to help her. Here's what I think will happen. Holmes lawyers will play on the current social climate and "cast " Holmes as a passive and frightened victim of her powerful and domineering boyfriend . Holmes didn't want to lie but felt she had to under pressure from her all powerful business partner and lover. I'm sure she will manage a few crocodile tears on the stand when she discusses how frightened she was of him. And I suspect that a significant number of Americans will fall for the act. Just to be clear, I think the bf was scum too but I believe she is a psychopath. They both are, but I still believe excuses will be made for her.

R209- You got it- the book is extremely good. But really wrecks the surprises of the film. And there are many "storylines". The book is EXTREMELY dry and fact based- like a Newsweek article. And it IS depressing. Anyone in a corporate environment can relate to it. The dramatic elements of it will serve a film very well. The film SHOULD be outstanding. Again, the two main protagonists are incredibly compelling in that Gordon Gecko vein. And we have all worked with people like this in one form or another. A predict a major hit.

And have they announced who is going to play Sunny? What a role!

I just checked IMDB- Will Ferrell from SNL is a producer!!

R214 they should put Ferrell in a wig and have him play Elizabeth

[quote]For the person saying they wished a fingertip pin prick had worked all I can say is there are more nerve endings in your fingertips than in the usual place blood work is taken. What's the difference between a needle and a "lancet" ( as Elizabeth insisted on saying) cutting into your fingertip?

I agree with this. I wonder why it seems nobody else seems to feel this way or have pointed this out. Finger sticks are far more painful than normal blood tests from the upper forearm area. Half the time you can't even feel them put the needle in. Is this because I have more prominent veins than most people or something? Why do people find this to be such a problem? Fingers do have far more nerves and hurt a lot more.

As far as how she fooled so many people - I think that the fact we can test for many things with small quantities of blood just convinced the average person that we'd be able to test for a lot more. If we can do glucose (which is quantitative, btw, VOTN) - then why not everything else? I have no healthcare experience & certainly would've hired chemists and engineers before giving her 100 mil (Betsy DeVos - looking at you) but I could believe that she was going to produce something real eventually. What the hell were all these people doing in the office all day and night - working on a defective product?

This all reminds me of Fyre Festival. Crazy CEO with delusions of grandeur fucking up an massive group of people with their "vision" - and nobody could steer the ship away from the iceberg (or just shut the whole thing down).

When she started the company or whatever was it fake from the beginning, or did she think there could be something real to it?

Is the boyfriend everyone is talking about here the Indian guy in the company, or someone else? (Haven't read the book yet).

It's the Indian guy in the company.

Ok, thanks.

[quote]The voice sounds like Mira Sorvino’s in “Romy & Michelle.”

I agree. Also, Holmes' fake voice reminds me a bit of Ana Gasteyer's impersonation of Martha Stewart on SNL.

The voice is like a kid trying to sound "important," but with a whole lot of crazy in it.

Has anyone else seen the video of her being interviewed /interrogated where she keeps answering no/I don't know? Her wide eyed faux innocent facial expressions are so creepy. Like she's trying to come across as childlike. This woman is just so fucking disturbing.

[quote]I just checked IMDB- Will Ferrell from SNL is a producer!!

Ferrell probably got in as a producer because of his friendship with Adam McKay who is directing. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrell or another former SNL cast member ends up with a role in the movie.

R224Ferrell has only acted and directed in comedies before, this will be his first drama. I can't imagine who they would cast him as

Indeed, that's what happens when the little head takes over. Bet these guys were playing pocket pool when they listened to her pitch.

David Fincher should direct the movie, not Adam McKay. It would be like Gone Girl but with more blood and manipulative blond woman.

omg!

I think she will get a year tops. She'll claim that she was in an abusive relationship and felt "forced " to commit fraud. Americans love helpless and victimized blondes.

R229- There is NO WAY America would love this bitch.

She's more of a man than I ever hope to be, and she looks like a creepy doll. And her voice is probably similar to Beezelbub's.

R230 "She looks like a creepy doll ". Spot on, there is something very uncanny valley about that woman.

R231- she REEKS of unlikeability.

And the book is DAMNING- god knows how much worse the reality was!!

I hope some bitches walk by her cell every day with a great big needle.

Her father was a VP at Enron

The latest episode of The Dropout features an interview with Sunny's lawyer.

The guy is simultaneously completely out of his depth trying to spin things, and a complete slimy weasel.

Evidently Elizabeth Holmes went around telling people that her pet husky was a wolf. She really was absolutely pathological in her behavior, lying even when there was no apparent reason to lie. As pathetic (and deserving of punishment ) that Jussie Smollets little stunt was, I think it's a little ridiculous that he's riled up more public outrage than Holmes. Holmes is still walking free while he was booked almost immediately (granted he posted bail ). This is not a defence of Smollett, just a criticism of the double standards still present in our culture.

Here she is living it up with her new beau who’s also a hotel heir. She’s doing just fine.

R237 that's a disturbing photo . Her eyes are so glazed over and empty .

Too bad that Holmes didn't scam some powerful Russians, instead of a bunch of doughy, horny , and geriatric American businessmen. The Russians wouldn't have hesitated to "take care" of her and her fellow scumbag boyfriend. Here, she will get a year or so in a minimum security prison followed by a comeback and a career as a motivational speaker where she discusses her decision to "move forward and heal ". The heavy sentence will be reserved for her ex boyfriend, I guarantee it. What's creepiest to me is that she's apparently been seen trying to drum up support for a NEW project and she already has some takers. She really can't stop herself.

According to the final episode of the Dropout, it appears that George and Tyler Shultz have reconciled.

R240 I don't think I could ever quite get past something like that but more power to Tyler If he could move on (or perhaps just wants his inheritance ). It's unnerving how many of those who spoke up against this scheme were shouted down by their so called betters. George came across as a pathetic dim wit being led around by the balls (and I doubt she ever did anything with him sexually, if that's what he was hoping for ).

Creepy doll, indeed. In some photos, she is attractive. In others, she looks doughy and middle-aged. Nothing wrong with being middle-aged; I'm there at 47. But it's weird when you're that young. I can't believe that all these men were so taken by her.

What is true in all of her photos is that her smile never reaches her eyes. No wrinkling around the eyes that I can see. Classic dead-eyed sociopath look. Gross.

She came close to helping bankrupt Safeway. She got massive amounts of wasted money out of Walgreens. The boards and shareholders of those companies should be raising hell.

This book is a truly wild story of how to fool and swindle clueless rich people who want to be part of the next big thing.

I saw some photos of her and her fiance at Burning Man, they are both dressed in rocker /boho outfits. She seems to have begun mimicking her fiance's fashion style completely , gone are the black turtlenecks. I'm very curious about her fiance, he's attractive and successful with much to lose. Is he just young and naive or does he get a thrill out of being in proximity to a psychopath (some men and women get off on sex with bad people )? Why on earth would he hitch himself to her permanently? Sex is one thing but marriage....

Only a total psycho like her would be able to galavant around like she didn't have a single care in the world given her circumstances.

What a weirdo. She's the Amanda Knox of the business world.

[quote]David Fincher should direct the movie, not Adam McKay. It would be like Gone Girl but with more blood and manipulative blond woman

No no. She deserves to have McKay do a rollicking mockery of her. The best way to handle people who think so highly of themselves is to get everyone to laugh at them for the jokes they really are. Well, that and federal prison.

[quote] Is he just young and naive or does he get a thrill out of being in proximity to a psychopath

Yes that's exactly what the attraction is. He thinks she's edgy and dangerous. Like those people who get pit bulls. Essentially just showing off.

R246 Very apt comparison. I wonder which one of their fiance's will suffer a tragic "accident " first.

[quote] [Smollett] it's a little ridiculous that he's riled up more public outrage than Holmes. Holmes is still walking free while he was booked almost immediately (granted he posted bail ). This is not a defence of Smollett, just a criticism of the double standards still present in our culture.

People ARE riled up about her. She's just not in the entertainment industry that gets coverage every second of the day and night.

I'm not sure how the two are being treated differently. She went through a federal booking and arraignment while Jussie went through a state booking and arraignment. They are both out on pretrial release. Their alleged crimes are different and it took different types of investigations to get to the point of charging a crime against them.

So far in these cases I am not seeing any "double standards still present in our culture." There may be in future but not so far.

R250, agreed. The people familiar with Jussie are not the same people familiar with Holmes. There probably isn’t much overlap.

And one group is less likely to post indignant tweets.

Just my opinion.

[quote]Is he just young and naive or does he get a thrill out of being in proximity to a psychopath (some men and women get off on sex with bad people )? Why on earth would he hitch himself to her permanently? Sex is one thing but marriage....

Holmes is a master manipulator and sociopath, he probably never stood a chance.

Just saw a photo of Holmes as a child sitting on a plane. She had some weird Damien like birthmark on her face, I wonder if she got it professionally removed.

I read a weird account from somebody who worked with her on reddit. Supposedly she refused to drink anything but a very expensive brand of water, which is common enough for these wealthy types. The odd thing was that she would only take a single sip from each bottle, then throw the rest out and demand a new one. Holmes would lock herself in her car and blare Christmas music. She also told employees that Theranos was essentially a religion and if they weren't willing to devote themselves completely to her they should leave.

She fucked a Pakistani dude 20 years her senior. All those Asian men complaining about how whitey won’t date them should take note.

That dude was hideous, too. It’s almost respectable.

I didn’t know that she blew that much money away. That’s how you hurt ppl like that, you hit them in the wallet. She did us all a favor. That donor list was like a who’s who of evil.

That being said, she could have killed people with those faulty tests. Girl was committed to living that lifestyle. At all costs.

“Sunny” made $40 million in the late 90s before the dot com bubble burst and took his cash to grad school where he was getting an MBA when he met her.

And he was with her partying at Burning Man when Theranos went down, which is good to know about the kind of people you meet at Burning Man if you suffer from Fear Of Missing Out.

Remember the Florisa teacher who fucked her students and received a lenient sentence literally because she was too pretty to suffer in prison?

I hope she gets cancer like her hero Steve Jobs.

[quote] Just saw a photo of Holmes as a child sitting on a plane. She had some weird Damien like birthmark on her face, I wonder if she got it professionally removed.

I saw that photo but no birthmark is visible. Where are you seeing this?

Would bet every last cent I had that she believes her bullshit. I would bet she believes that she made great advances in science and her business competitors are to blame.

R260 there is brownish spot near near or on her nose

She's got Gwyneth Paltrow hair.

R262 How icky. I wonder if it's still there, covered up under heavy foundation.

She looks like Chelsea Clinton.

R250 I agree with a lot of what you said. . Holmes deserves a couple of decades in prison for her various crimes and Smollett at least deserves to spend a few years in prison for the hate crime hoax.

I know Jennifer Lawrence has her fair share of detractors here but I think she will do very well in this role. She might even land a Oscar. Though I'm not sure how she will capture Holmes's bug eyes. There's a cartoonishness to Holmes 's eyes as if she were physically forcing them to appear wider . I have seen people with naturally large doe eyes, but in her case it's very unnatural and startling. I wonder if she were forcing them to look wider in order to convey a more innocent appearance.

The Emperor's New Clothes

R267 I also think JLaw will do well playing Holmes. But, I think the Holmes/Theranos story would be better off as a limited series than a movie. Tom Rob Smith of American Crime Story could probably do a good adaptation of Bad Blood.

Reviews are starting to come in for the HBO documentary

I am seeing Elizabeth Holmes as a creepy mutant cancer meant to shed light on prominent men who are swayed by thin blonds who are not even pretty. Clean up on aisle 3

R271 Gentlemen prefer blondes.

R272 maybe Holmes 's fiance will develop a flight hobby .

Tonight's 20/20 is about Holmes and Theranos.

I'm thinking that's a scab or rash on her nose in that childhood photo. I didn't see it in other childhood photos of her.

I believe the HBO doc is on Sunday as well.

There was no Magic Blonde Spell or "power over men" here.

She was a conwoman. The main part of a con, is CONFIDENCE. A good con utilizes many people in the confidence game. People who rely on the trust of those in their circle rather than doing their own homework.

Notice the people she bilked were mostly politicians and high level government personnel, and wealthy investor types with no medical training and scant knowledge of the healthcare industry, let alone actual science.

The people and businesses who avoided investing in Theranos were actual scientists and science investors who had doubts about the "technology."

So various rich old men, many of whom can barely use a smart phone, took her bullshit at face value and then sold the idea to each other, which built up more and more social confidence.

Bernie Madoff did the same thing. The people who avoided him were actual economists who knew how to do math. His marks trusted each other for advice rather than do any research on their own.

Think of someone in your social or family circle who everyone turns to for advice. Whether that person knows what the fuck they're talking about or not, they relish the role, and most of us would rather just ask that person what to do instead of doing our own research. Those types of "influencers" are useful to con men, because once the influencers realize the con, they are not likely to admit it, because then they'd be responsible for giving others bad advice and would look foolish at best. The influencers then have motive to keep the con going, whether it's conscious or subconscious.

Bernie Madoff would never be accused of casting some sexy spell over his marks, many of whom were "rich, poweful men" because he's not a young blue eyed blonde female.

Holmes didn't cast some magic pussy spell, fools.

The "spell" is the human ego and the fear of status loss, coupled with mass confidence.

The story of how George Schultz handled hearing the truth from his grandson is a beautiful example: he didn't want to look foolish and besides, other people, like Henry Kissinger, believed it, so it must be true.

Wow. This is fascinating yet horrifying.

R275 Yeah, the 20/20 episode showed other childhood pictures and there was no mark on her face.

In the picture of her as a child at r200 she looks to have brown eyes. I wonder if she wears blue contacts?

She met her Theranos era boyfriend/partner in crime Sunny Balwani on a class trip to China when she was a senior in high school. He was 37 and she was 18.

Also, Sunny is apparently a bit a of dolt:

(From Wikipedia) “Within Theranos, Balwani was known for using technical terms he seemingly did not understand in what others believed were attempts to appear more knowledgeable. He once misheard "end effector" (the claw or other device at the end of an automated robot's arm) as "endofactor" (a nonsense word) and repeated the error throughout a meeting, furthermore not noticing when "Endofactor" was subsequently used as a prank in a PowerPoint presentation.”

When Will We Have An Elizabeth Holmes Verdict? ARIANA BROCKINGTON MARCH 15, 2019, 3:30 PM

PHOTO: BROADIMAGE/REX/SHUTTERSTOCK. Thanks to a podcast and a Sundance premiere, there's a new "scammer" making headlines: Elizabeth Holmes. The disgraced former Theranos COO is the subject of not one, but two upcoming documentaries detailing her success and eventual banishment from Silicon Valley. The HBO documentary The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley by Academy Award-winning director Alex Gibney and the recently announced ABC 20/20 special The Dropout, which shares its name with the ABC Radio podcast also about Holmes, describe the company she ran for years and how her empire came crumbling down. Holmes is currently awaiting trial for a fraud case that could result in her being behind bars for potentially 20 years. But when can we expect a verdict for Elizabeth Holmes, and is prison time actually likely? ADVERTISEMENT

Why Hasn't Holmes Gone To Trial Yet? Well, let's look at the details. Before Holmes started to be referenced in the same sentence as the likes of Billy McFarland, she hoped to be compared to technological geniuses and fellow college dropouts Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg. She founded her company Theranos in 2003 and ABC News reports that, at one point, the business was valued at nearly $10 billion. Holmes and her company were supposed to possess technology that could run hundreds of tests from one or two drops of blood to help diagnose patients. But, Holmes’s technology did not work and people ended up with incorrect results. So, in June 2018, Holmes and Theranos chief operating officer and president Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani were indicted on 11-counts from the U.S. Department of Justice, nine for wire fraud, one for “Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud against Theranos Investors” and another for “Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud against Doctors and Theranos Patients.” Holmes pleaded not guilty, but ABC News reports, “If convicted, Holmes could face a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a fine of $250,000 for each count of wire fraud and for each conspiracy count.”

As a physician, I have come to realize that there is so much medical scamming and it is appalling. I think those con artists, the Sackler family (they provided false data/research about Oxycontin), should join Elizabeth in prison. Remember the artificial hip joints that broke down and left pieces of metal shrapnel in the joint that caused extreme pain. And we have the head of surgery at Columbia peddling snake oil - the execrable Dr. Oz.

I thought the Dropout podcast was a total waste of time but it was interesting to note that some of the key whistleblowers are still involved in making money off of medical innovation.

Doctor R283: documentary for you if you haven't seen it yet. SCARY shit.

Glad to see this thread, I listened to a podcast about it yesterday, called "The Dropout." I only vaguely knew about the case, and ended up riveted. Such as strange girl. It sounded as though poor old George Schultz really got snookered.

R284, why did you dislike "The Dropout"? I thought it was a decent primer on the case. Anyway, I now want to watch the documentary and read the book.

I've never seen a book so well reviewed by the readers as Bad Blood. I read it a couple of months ago. I finished it in two days. I couldn't put it down. I'd go in my office and shut the door and read it on Kindle PC. LOL

Listening to the podcast, I was struck by how devastated the journalist Roger Parloff sounded. He wrote one of the big glowing stories about her and was really beating himself up for being such a sucker. I actually felt sorry for him, although journalists need to be more skeptical these days.

The other random thing I noticed was this distinctive little accent all of these tech type 20- and 30-somethings have. They start every other sentence with “so“ and end it with “right?“ and there is always a discussion “around“ something, never “about“ something. Nasal and uptalking, of course.

R22 I immediately thought bj, too. Felt a little ashamed of myself, but there it is.

I heard Graydon Carter got involved in the HBO documentary because he got taken in by her. Of course *he* would have been all enamored with the idea of someone like her, eye roll.

Elizabeth was spotted at Burning Man with her British hotel heir fiance, Billy Evans and their "wolf" dog, so she doesn't seem too devastated or "broke" or concerned about oh you know, any consequences for defrauding a lot of people out of millions or even billions of dollars.

I totally agree, R178. Podcasts should be released all at once. Except I guess if they’re trying to be timely. I listened to this one all at once because I’m late to the party.

Bill Clinton was a supporter as well.

Well if there's a grift going a Clinton is never too far away.

Any one watch the ABC documentary version of the podcast last night?

I wonder if Elizabeth modeled her deep voice after that woman professor of medicine she had at Stanford (who is in the doc and has always been very critical of Elizabeth). She had a pretty deep voice.

When I first started hearing about Theranos, I did find the name creepy. As someone noted, it’s so close to the Greek word “Thanatos,” meaning death. Nobody noticed this at the outset? Aren’t these people supposed to be so smart?

R296 good point!

Also, on 20/20 they said the company name and "vision" (hoo boy) of Theranos was to be a mashup of "therapeutic" and "diagnosis".

R287, I found the podcast to be very shallow. It was basically a rehash of what happened. We already know what happened. I wanted a deeper exploration of why it happened. Why did so many people keep working with Theranos despite warning signs. I am thinking of Walgreens and that fancy ad agency. Why didn’t the board do something? And I know many of these people wouldn’t have agreed to an interview but you should still ask these questions. I found the last episode particularly infuriating when they open with an interview of one of her former classmates. Who cares about what she was like in 6th grade?

[quote]When I first started hearing about Theranos, I did find the name creepy. As someone noted, it’s so close to the Greek word “Thanatos,” meaning death.

It's really not, though.

I listened to the audiobook of Bad Blood.

R299, meaning?

^ OK, and...?

I get why people fell for it: she was promising a Silicon Valley solution to something people loathe - needles.

I wish someone could have gotten inside her head. For her, was this mostly about becoming a billionaire? The “next Steve Jobs”? “Changing the world”? Did she simply believe if she could keep the con going, eventually her idea would work? This business of her turning up in public, seemingly unruffled, is bizarre.

What an absolute fraud this woman was..... and her voice makes me want to hurl.

It was all about not having to say goodbye too soon........LOL

Had a thought about Elizabeth’s low voice. Maybe she played that up because so many men in that tech world have higher voices than that. In other words, was she trying to alpha them?

R304 - I agree. I’d love some insight into how those minds think and justify their behavior. There is clearly some of the “killer or hunted” mentality the Trump family were taught, along with the “changing the world” pseudo-religious belief that justifies a lot of Silicon Valley sociopathy.

An understanding of what drives modern super-capitalists would be really interesting to me. I’ve read “Sociopath Next Door” and that is as close to an insight into the mindset of these people as I’ve been able to get. It’s a completely foreign concept to me to be willing to hurt others for personal gain - which I’ve accepted will make it almost impossible to succeed in a capitalist society.

The story goes, her family had enormous wealth and status that was squandered over a few generations. They say the father especially was bitter about that sort of Paradise Lost. Surely something like that would play into the psychology of a child like Elizabeth. Put her in that Silicon Valley environment and whew.

I also recall that Elizabeth's father often had troubles in his professional life with people he worked with. I wouldn't be surprised if Daddy Holmes is a sociopath too.

I still think Bad Blood would be better off adapted as a limited series. A limited series would allow for more time to be focused on Holmes' childhood and family influences that may have led to the con.

R40.. Big eyes, I guess appealing to some... but a lot of crazy behind them. Very creepy.

Her bullying management style, obsessive secrecy, and pathological lying about huge as well as minor things seem to be red flags for being a sociopath.

Her baritone "masked" voice, copying Steve Jobs' trademark black turtleneck, and poaching his employees was also bizarre.

HBO will have a documentary March 18.. The Inventor: Out For Blood In Silicon Valley.. about Theranos

Love this saga. Classic case of a woman who isn't attractive enough to be a threat to the average woman allowing her to fly under the radar unnoticed. Throw in some nerdy men from unattractive families themselves who don't know any better..Viola! THIS.

Same questions as r304.

I did read somewhere that when asked as a child what she wanted to be when she grew up, she said a billionaire.

R314 [quote] who don't know any better..Viola! THIS.

Oh dear.

The first red flag, before any fraud allegations started to surface, should have been her copying Steve Jobs by always wearing the black turtleneck. The first article I ever read about her had her picture and some blurb about how she was dressing like her hero. Trying to imitate someone else shows a lack of imagination and weak sense of self. It also reveals one to be a follower not a leader.

I keep reading that she got away with so much of her BS because Silicon Valley and the media were anxious for a woman “star” in the tech industry. There are plenty of smart, successful woman in tech but few of them are young, blonde and attractive. Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of them can be ugly and nerdy looking but the women always need to be “hot.”

A bleached blond dude trying to copy Steve Jobs by dressing like him would have been laughed out of Silicon Valley.

She couldn’t even manage a basic explanation of their scientific process:

[italic]She told The New Yorker that "a chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample, which is translated into a result, which is then reviewed by certified laboratory personnel."[/italic]

Uh huh.

R317, we better people got it. Not rube R314. Poor creature

R316, you are tragic

“Viola!” I like that. Maybe we should try to make it happen.

Or

walla, all of a sudden

Anyone watching the HBO doc?

Fascinating story but, my god, ENOUGH with the drone shots, filmmakers! Enough! We get it!

Leaving Neverland, an otherwise powerful and well-done documentary, is also filled with too much unnecessary aerial footage.

Like, even I know that's dumb, R319!

R317 GENIUS

R319 image 😂

That's a fugly freak!😂 Not sorry!

She's fucking ugly. And that voice, fake or not, is cringeworthy.

How anyone fell for her "charms" is beyond me.

I'm watching the HBO doc. Her eyes are fucking frightening.

I still think that dramatically, this would be better served as a season of American Crime Story.

A two parter Charlie's Angels.

[quote]I still think that dramatically, this would be better served as a season of American Crime Story.

I agree with this. A two hour movie isn't enough for this story.

"Hey lady! You know how to get people to trust you? Throw away that vocal fry, girl! Lose the uptalk! Adopt a husky baritone! Adopt an actual husky you call a wolf! Invent a fake blood machine! Defraud investors! Get investigated by the SEC! Lose millions! You got this, woman!"

The board members had to be in on the fraud. The were actively lying to journalists and blocking the government agencies from evaluating it. The HBO documentary and ABC coverage is an attempt by the board members to be painted as the victims, so they can get a tax write off, which would be a gigantic sum on money.

They are in on it. No tax write off at all. In fact, jack up their taxes.

They are all sociopaths too, like they did not know.

R334 I also think they were on it too. I'm betting dirt on the board members and others at Theranos will eventually come out. Everyone is too focused on ringleader Holmes for now.

I think if Kissinger and these other board members really thought they had new and revolutionary laboratory chemical reactions and/or senor technology, they would have pick up the phone and had government agencies evaluate it. They official way of doing it.

They were all in on the fraud.

That the board, comprised of upper eschalon governmental officials, was in on it is the only thing that makes sense.

Vile.

Holmes's family members are now vehemently insisting to the media that her unnatural sounding voice is in fact real. These people are completely delusional, her voice is the least of anyone's concerns. Even if it were real , she is still on trial for fraud. Her parents are wealthy Washington DC elites, utterly insulated from reality.

A psychiatrist who lived near the Holmes family and knew them has stated that there are/were definitely mental and emotional issues with the parents.

Watched the documentary.

The irony is that while you all protest Holmes' fraud, I'll bet almost every one of you support the Transgender Lobby or make fun of those fighting its dramatic changes to laws worldwide. Changes that will erase gays and women as legal categories, and thus their rights.

You support the fantasy that women can be men on their own say so, and ignore that Transgender Ideology is a bunch of made-up, unscientific hooey, backed to the tune of hundreds of millions of $$$ by unscrupulous cross-dressing billionaires and Big Pharma.

Oh, and despite that gay kids are being given untested prostate cancer drugs, used to castrate sex offenders, and getting their balls cut off, because in 2019, liking the wrong toy makes you not gay but Twans, because the Powers That Be say so and even the intelligentsia are buying and selling the lie.

Holmes a dorky, boring, asexual nerd. How did she even get into Stanford? I didn't see any scientific acumen or smart business sense. She's also fat and she waddles. That David Boies is an asshole and it's disgusting how he bullied the whistleblowers.

R441 The really strange thing is she wasn't even a real nerd ,so to speak. Her grades were fair but nothing special. Her rich parents pulled strings to get her into a special language program in China that would help get her into Stanford. Holmes hated it and would call her mother whining that Chinese people were "dirty and poor " and she wanted to go home. The Holmes family pretty much bought Elizabeth into Stanford.

That psychiatrist Holmes frenemy also sounds pretty bad in the book, very petty and sociopathic. He was way smarter than any of the Holmes would ever be though. I do think Holmes is naive and a sociopath at the same time, but this Balwani guy did a lot of the dirty jobs for her, and I have no doubt that he was acting on his own on most of the missteps that were made. He isnt innocent, he isnt some poor dude that Holmes seduced to be her little pet puppy. Ive had bosses from India (not Indian Americans, the fresh off the boat ones) whose behaviors are exactly like Balwani. Its like too many sociopaths collided in this world and they ended up with this.

R343 Yes I agree with your opinion of the family friend. So many people taken in by this woman were sociopaths themselves. One thing I noticed about the neighbor, Richard Fuisz, was how he kept criticizing Holmes ideas as impossible and childlike and yet invested in them anyway. I think he was hoping to fuck the little psycho.

The board was in on the Fraud. It is the only way to explain this case, logically. None of them could answer the basic question, how does that lab box work?

I know some people in the DC area who had business dealing with Holmes’ father, and said he seemed like a normal pleasant guy.

Interesting thread on reddit about Holmes. Someone posted about seeing her regularly at dog parks in SF. Another person mentioned knowing someone who knew Holmes' fiance and that the fiance is a sociopath.

WTF is up with her hair?! It's completely burnt to a crisp. It looks like she does at-home bleach jobs, blow dries it on the highest setting for waaaaaay longer than she has to, follows that up with a red-hot straightening iron, and then finally, back combs everything with a fine-tooth comb.

Maybe she imitates Steve Jobs' clothing and Jean Harlow's haircare routine, which prompts her to bleach her hair with a mixture of ammonia, Clorox bleach and soap flakes.

Weird, weird-ass bitch.

If Henry Kissinger was the reference for the person/company I was investing in, I would fucking RUN .

The weirdest revelation of that Reddit thread is that if you went to Theranos HQ for a job interview and you had to use the restroom, their people would follow you there and wait outside the door.

Her brother knew what was going on. She hired him and all his frat bro friends to be the sales team. They would come in, walk around a little to be seen, then go hang out at the gym all day. Here he is escorting his sister when she got invited, by the Obamas, to a White House dinner. I wonder how much money that helped raise.

Her brother is hot. Too bad he's probably an spath as well.

Hillary Clinton eyes. Need we say more?

what reddit thread?

R351 Most straight guys find that blonde wasp look to be attractive.

She lowered her voice so people would take her seriously as demonstrated at 0:40 in the following clip.

Most straight guys find that blonde wasp look to be attractive.

The blondeness represents beauty. The waspness represents money.

The following is a photo of a young Mitt Romney and his family. His wife's father was a self-made businessman.

She was charismatic in that she made an effort to talk to older or elderly men. Most people in her age group don't make an effort to talk to older people unless they want something from them.

and she did.

r342, where did you get that information about her middling grades and experience in China? I don't remember reading about it in Bad Blood so I'm curious.

The Business Insider article upthread at R186 (an excellent CliffsNotes-style summary of her scam, BTW) says she was a straight-A student in high school.

Which actor should play Elizabeth's hot brother in the movie?

She's a marketing charlatan. Her blonde waspiness, asexual IT nerd persona, deep serious voice and charisma (talking to old people) is part of the subliminal advertisement that she used to prey on the lust, greed and pride of rich, old men who have little or no scientific knowledge.

She met Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani, a Silicon Valley technology entrepreneur, in 2002 at age 18, while still in school. Sunny became romantically involved with Holmes in 2003, about the same time Holmes dropped out of college.

Sunny was advising Holmes behind the scenes before he officially joined the company in 2009. He might have had a hand in crafting her image.

I have never watched a more loathsome creature.

She is the definitive meaning of CREEPER!!!

She is a goddamned gaper.

She has no charisma, the creepiest voice since the demon Pazuzu, and was literally a FRAUD.

Such intelligence gone to waste.

Her appeal is her absolute creepiness. She is like the Christopher Walken of Silicon Valley.

You cannot look away, because she is so fucking BIZARRE.

Obsessed!

When the story first broke, I just assumed it was a straight-up con. Perhaps a get rich quick scheme that got out of hand so fast she couldn't make a smooth getaway. Now after seeing The Inventor and reading so much about her and the company, I think she really was convinced she could pull off some kind of real huge innovation. She seems like a genuine believer in the power of magical thinking--I bet she's all about books like "The Secret." And like every great cult leader with a god complex, it's OK to do bad if in the big picture you're doing good. If she had to lie and cheat and scam for a while til the technology caught up with her amazing "vision," so be it.

Dan Ariely in the HBO doc (the behavioral psychology guy with the half-beard) really explained it well with the dice experiment. People who are truly convinced they are doing good (even if they're wrong) can justify a lot of bad and still have a clear conscience. That's why so many anti-vaxxers can be so blase about the risk from return of infectious diseases. And the bigger the idiocy and the more intense the god complex, the bigger the disaster.

Maybe 'Theranos' is named after her home planet?

Holmes' appearance reminds me of Heaven's Gate leader Marshall Applewhite.

People! Can we talk about how Tyler Shultz is a delightfully obvious homosexual?

[quote] Now after seeing The Inventor and reading so much about her and the company, I think she really was convinced she could pull off some kind of real huge innovation. She seems like a genuine believer in the power of magical thinking

And as fucked up as it all was I see this as the same as the Fyre Festival guy. In the beginning he honestly thought he could pull this off. And then didn't listen when told he couldn't. Same as Elizabeth. She did want to make this happen even when told it couldn't. And so on and so forth.

Did you see in the HBO doc, Elizabeth and her top executives walking out dancing to Cant Touch This - she was creepy as fuck.

I can't believe she was fucking that old ugly Pakistani - eeewwwww

R369 She is demented. One of the most notable parts of this story is that the so called military and business elite are really not as bright as so many make them out to be. Put a wealthy,smiling blonde in front of them and have her say the right things and they are hooked. The military guys were particularly taken with her. I find it funny that a relatively inexperienced young millennial guy, Tyler Schulz ,was able to see through her when so many of these "great and accomplished men " fell for everything. I usually believe that wisdom comes with age but this story certainly conflicted with that belief .

Tyler was able to see thru her cuz he's gay

R369 Yeah that guy was icky but I guess she thought that he would help her career . I think Holmes lawyers are going to take advantage of the current social climate and push the idea that she was a victim of a aggressive and domineering boyfriend who pressured her to do things she never would have considered on her own. Many women have used this tactic successfully, particularly if they are considered attractive . I suspect they will emphasize the age difference and how young Elizabeth was when she met him. There have been cases of women sociopaths getting away with crimes by using the helpless and easily influenced female trope. The lawyers might even lob a few physical / sexual abuse accusations at Sunny from Elizabeth if they are really cunning. Once they do that, there will be dozens of dumbfuck media outlets rushing to Holmes defense. Personally I think they are both psychopaths and should both receive harsh sentences.

R371 Yes that's probably it in a nutshell

I watched the HBO documentary. I found her bizarre. Maybe being a woman I found it hilarious (sad) these men fell for her BS. Of course it is easy to watch a documentary and have it all laid out for you instead of being in the thick of it.

Granted, I'm not an elderly billionaire, but her attractiveness seems oversold. To me she looks like she ate bugs off the floor as a little kid.

R375 Yes, I can see that. Like a female Ralph Wiggum .

If Tim Cook and some imaginary cabal of queer techies and VCs had some average looking aging twink in a cheap turtleneck with a dubious unproven "product" approach them for untold amounts of cash, they'd be all please, girl.

But old, straight men with old dried up third wives get their Viagra'd dick all in a tizz over Theranos. Please, girl.

I don't see how she is attractive. Her face looks like dough.

Older , rich white conservative straight men tend to be easy prey for the halo effect and probably less aware of the effect it would have on their choices. Everyone favors perceived good looks but these guys didnt have much self awareness to realize they were being played .With Holmes it wasn't just that they found her attractive. They believed that because of they wanted to fuck her , she was epitome of intelligence , accomplishment ,and goodness. Google General Mattis flowery quotes extolling her ethics, which he said where the best he had ever come across and you'll understand what's at work here.

But this chick was NOT good looking! Her face was like white play-doh. Her eyes were evil. Her hair was FRIED. Her voice SHOULD turn off any man.

If anything this made be feel that straight men truly do fuck anything. The old "just out a bag over her head!"

She was a 3/10. IF that.

The funniest part was the doc within the doc with her slowly creeping over to lab people 'What are you working on?"

Total creeper. Total gaper. Just a sociopathic and clearly intelligent one.

This chick scares me. And will get off with a slap on the wrist.

I particularly felt bad for the gentleman who committed suicide and his poor wife. Holy fuck, that was tough to watch.

I felt all along that his story from the book will be the most compelling in the film.

I think this story gets me because I work with a few sociopaths. And you know you are NOTHING To them. Just a puzzlepiece in whatever game they are playing.

Has anyone heard if she'll face jail time? She perpetuated a massive fraud, not to mention endangering the lives of patients who used her shitty tests,

R381 Legal experts and others have said she could face up to 20 years in prison.

Orange is the New Black Turtleneck

Yes. I think if convicted she will do time. I suspect in the end she'll take a plea and maybe do in the range of 5 - 8 years. I actually would be satisfied with that. There were victims in this and she placed peoples' lives at risk. She'll make the sentence all about herself and make prison reform her new cause.

Blaming Sunny isn't going to work. She bilked him out of his fortune. That's why she was fucking him. She played her con which involved actual fraud for too long and she gained too much from it over that long period of time.

How old are you r369?

I only came here to read the comments about the voice. And I wasn't disappointed.

on a side note, I think she and Shkreli should have babies and those babies should take care of the extended Trump family in prison.

and now it's a Trump thread.

So many strange aspects to this story. Holmes was said to be a complete tyrant who would go nuts when questioned and and tell lies that were easily disproved. Tyler Schultz relayed a story about Holmes sending him e mails that she was leaving the office for the day, when in fact she was simply moving to a different office. The kicker? Schultz could see Elizabeth through the office window, she wasn't even hiding. Holmes had some bizarre thought processes. Apparently an employee resigned when Holmes refused to stop testing on cancer patients even after being told the tests were faulty. Holmes even tested on children, she is a true blue sociopath . It's funny how everyone insisted for years that we need more women as CEO's in order to promote equality and lower corruption . Holmes was just as cold blooded as any Madoff type, maybe even more so. George Schultz comes across as a complete dotard, as do so many high ranking military men.

Brilliantly said R388.

Anyone who hasn't read it- Bad Blood- Highly recommended.

And I feel that the film will be even better.

Loving this. Agree 3/10..if

Holmes should join the Church of Scientology and create a new auditing machine for them.

R391 Yes! Shed be perfect as David Miscavige's protege!

[quote]on a side note, I think she and Shkreli should have babies and those babies should take care of the extended Trump family in prison.

Members of the Trump family will never end up in prison. They deserve it as much Holmes does. A Holmes and Shkreli child would be a monster to the world.

R393 I suspect Holmes ultimately won't spend much time in prison either. Just a hunch.

Newflash: the board members and investors were in on it. This is the only logical conclusion.

That patented box was a contaminated petri dish.

So really what what was the box?

But I agree with R395, the board HAD to know.

Forgive this stupid question, but where does all the investors' million$$$ go? Do the wealthy do this intentionally for tax purposes or have they truly been hurt by this fraudulent enterprise?

[quote]I suspect Holmes ultimately won't spend much time in prison either. Just a hunch.

I agree. I think she'll get five years in prison.

I don't think she'll do time. She swindled a lot of influential people. They look stupid right now and just want all of this to go away.

I think she will get jail time. What she did could have endangered people that were using the services because the test results were not accurate.

R396, they were trying to create an automated version of what happens in test labs, but with a much higher capacity and faster turnaround despite being on a much smaller scale. Picture a bunch of people in lab coats standing over tables first diluting then extracting and mixing blood samples with other agents for testing. The box was those people replaced by a single long extractor/mixer needle and a hundred or so tiny tubes. It just didn't work.

Everyone focuses on how she based her look on Steve Jobs, but she was also trying to replicate what Jobs did with the Mac and then the iPod/iPhone with the Edison. She wanted a "pretty" neat little box that does all these amazing things with a clean sleek look and design. She was trying to create the iMac of labs. I bet the next step would have been offering it in different colors with a startup screen that smiles at you.

Any of my undergraduate part-time lab managers could tell she was a fake. Some people are under the assumption that people in the sciences weren't sound alarms. They were. Lots of them. It's just that no one would listen. The press turned a shameful, deaf ear. As it's been said they wanted a female tech giant.

"they wanted a female tech giant"

A lot has been made of that claim, and I'm not saying there isn't some truth to it, but there was another big thing they wanted. Part of the sell was this idea of one-upping the big bad medical industry where costs were becoming exponential and out of reach for so many people. The message was about "empowering" people to give them cheap and direct access to their medical info, completely bypassing doctors, labs, and so on. This was dangerous for a number of reasons, and only just touched on in the HBO documentary.

There's a reason so many 1%ers LURVED her and her message. It bolstered the idiotic conservative notion that health care is a "marketplace" and was a way to divert conversation about health care policy AWAY from universal coverage and back to consumerism. And her timing was perfect--Theranos blew up during the intense conservative and media backlash against the ACA.

Another unspoken reason this idea was so attractive was the more direct (and often medically unnecessary) testing out there, the more means by which government, corporations, and others could gather data about individual people's health and genetics. I'm sure folks like Kissinger were thinking ahead when employers, health insurance providers, prosecutors and who knows who else could weaponize this information against the public at large. And if you think that's silly conspiracy theory-ing, look at the way those ancestry testing companies have already been used in criminal cases. There's still a lot of roadblocks for law enforcement, but as the caselaw evolves, many may be lifted, especially with a hardcore conservative federal bench in place for the next several decades.

R402 It is very interesting to me how many people with science backgrounds understood that this probably wasn't possible. In the documentary, someone said that there were two sides of Theranos, the "media " side where the company was covered adoringly. And the "behind the scenes " side, where lab workers where become increasingly alarmed. The press loved Holmes and that did play a part in their refusal to ask questions. Her early interview with CBS 's Norah O Donnell is so gushing it's gag worthy.

I'm trying to figure out those sucked into her BS R404.

[quote]In the documentary, someone said that there were two sides of Theranos, the "media " side where the company was covered adoringly. And the "behind the scenes " side, where lab workers where become increasingly alarmed.

After the lab workers realized that Edison (the testing "technology") was basically worthless, they secretly started using regular testing equipment to try to minimize the inaccuracies.

That's right, they did. Got caught at a drug store fronting by a reporter they couldn't buy off

R330 I remember the first time I heard of her was on either Gawker or Jezebel. People made fun of her "crazy eyes" and were called "sexist" for it.

R408 Oh gawd, I can just imagine the comments if the article was linked to Jezebel "She looks crazy? Would you say that about a MAN whose eyes were manically bulging out of his head ?" ,"So what if she's fucking the co head of the company, slut shaming is never OK , woman are not Madonnas or whores they can sleep with who they want as long as its consensual " , "She's testing her experiment on child cancer patients? Well at least she didn't date rape anyone, unlike all the dudebros commenting here " blah blah blah

R409, thank god those days are ending. 'Twas Twilight Zonesque

James Cordon's Fecanos:

LOL R411.Skechers. hahahaha

R412 My expectations were low, but I actually found myself laughing.

Let’s cast the movie!

Elizabeth Holmes: JLaw

Sunny Balwani: Raza Jaffrey

George Schultz: Bruce Dern

Tyler Schultz: Noah Centineo

Patrick O’Neill, adman turned interior designer - Evan Peters

Dr Phyllis Gardner, unconvinced Stanford doctor - Kathy Bates

[quote]Sunny Balwani: Raza Jaffrey

LOL. Raza is hot. Isn’t Sunny some troll?

Perhaps we can momentarily pardon Kevin Spacey to play Kissinger.

LeeLee Sobieski should play her.

Her brother really knows how to lay low. He's the smart one. It's so hard to find any pictures or videos of him. The only two I know of are the White House dinner and in the documentary where he's briefly, yet oh so hotly, dancing to you can't touch this.

Alan Beam, pseudonym of Carreyou’s first source - John Cho

Christian Holmes V, Elizabeth’s loser WASP father -

David Bois, asshole lawyer - Tommy Lee Jones

Richard Fuisz, eccentric doctor and patent registerer of Holmes’ parents - Ben Kingsley

Joseph Fuisz - Michael C. Hall

John Carreyou - John Cusack

Rupert Murdoch - Jack Thompson

R419 Love it. On a related note, I was sure I saw a picture of Holmes 's lobbyist mother somewhere online. She had bug eyes just like Elizabeth ,but I haven't been able to find the photo again.

Who will play DL fave Tyler Schultz ?

She wasn't charismatic. She wasn't somewhat attractive. She was a fucking weirdo from the jump. I just heard of her by catching an old rerun of "The Woman's List" on PBS a couple of weeks ago. I was like, who is this weirdo with the fake voice spilling her bullshit. Rolling my eyes the whole time. When her interview finished, they put a disclaimer on the screen stating she was being sued. I knew it! My intuition is ALWAYS right. Now she's everywhere. My boyfriend happened to turn on the dateline special whenever it was and we watched. She's a freak.

Amazing how many were fooled by this weirdo. There's an interview of CBS 's Norah O 'Donnell gushing all over her, and failing to ask any important questions. It's so cloying and lovey dovey it makes my stomach turn. So many journalists have the brains of a doorknob. Thankful for John Carreyrou, if it weren't for him this might have dragged on much longer . And as awful as Rupert Murdoch is, I will give him credit for one thing :when Carreyrou started looking into Holmes and Theranos 's problems , she called him and tried to sweet talk Murdoch into not publishing the stories. Murdoch refused. He may be a right wing super villain, but he had better instincts than most of our elite. Go figure.

[quote]Love it. On a related note, I was sure I saw a picture of Holmes 's lobbyist mother somewhere online. She had bug eyes just like Elizabeth ,but I haven't been able to find the photo again.

Emma Stone has bug eyes. Just put some age makeup on Emma and she can play the mom.

I see the resemblance to Carreyrou, r419, but I detest Cusack. I'm trying to think of an alternate actor. Love the other choices.

If this was 20 years ago Jodi would have another Oscar.

R422!! I LOVE YOU! Thank you!!! I said similar things above. And how a straight guy would want to fuck THAT with even a ten foot pole is beyond me.

Her face is doughy- like pizza dough that hasn't been rolled out into a crust, and her eyes are evil. And that VOICE!!!

I'd sooner spend time with the demon Pazuzu.

I like the idea of Kathy Bates for Dr. Phyllis Gardner, but I think Donna Wilkes resembles her more.

R423 YES, to EVERYTHING you said.

She ain't that smart. In the documentary, she said "nuke-u-lar" for nuclear -just like President Bush.

I will never understand straight men. This chick makes my skin crawl.

Tyler Schultz - Noah Centineo

Christian Holmes IV, dad of Elizabeth, angry that the family money has dried up and Noel Holmes, Republicunt mother - some sad WASPs

Glenn Close as George Shultz.

Wasn't it just OLD straight white men that kept throwing millions of money at her? And we wonder why the world is so fucked up. Look who created it.

The world isn't so fucked up. You just like to cycle into the bad news and hysteria that generate ratings. It has never been better to be a human being than now.

It is most definitely better to be a human being now with all the technology but it is most certainly fucked up. It's all bullshit, lies, murder, injustice and opression. The rich getting richer and the poor getting stepped on and erased. Cut the crap ms. privilege

R435 is proof of the stupidity and blindness. Stupid is as stupid says.

One crotchety old VC said he threw money at her because he just "knew" in his gut that she had a unique vision. He didn't care about her qualifications (or lack of), he was more interested in her family. She had a great grandfather that was in medicine and another distant relative who was an entrepreneur. So, in his warped mind, she had the perfect combination of genes to turn her invention into a reality. What? Does that mean that if I had a grandfather who was a fighter pilot in WW2, I can fly a plane? With zero training? Those rich old men propping her up were absolutely nuts.

Donna "Angel" Wilkes, r428?

R435 is correct. R437 wouldn't survive a day in the 1700's.

R438 So much misery in this world over what powerful rich men "know in their gut ". The men who threw money at Crazy Eyes were the same who "just knew " we must invade Iraq. What we did to that nation was an absolute crime. Holmes and Theranos is a microcosm made up of the same factors. Americans are too obsessed with emotions at the expense of logic, education, and reasoning.

The men were throwing money at her just for the idea. She didn't even have a working prototype.

Just the men? A lot of women encouraged and voted for the Iraq war too. Not to mention that this whole hoax was perpetuated by a woman. Stop with this month's talking points.

Snake oil salesmen come in all kinds of shapes and sizes. She took advantage of people and the media and it got her far. She just missed the point to end her scam, and she had the perfect way out: Bad scientists bullying her and sabotaging her great invention.

R434 It was. Young guys saw right through her.

I find myself wondering about the dynamics between Tyler and George Schultz. Supposedly they have reconciled but I would imagine there is still tension. George even took Holmes side when she was sending lawyers to intimidate Tyler . Tyler must have lost a great deal of respect for his easily duped grandfather.

Grampa Schultz did originally take Holmes' side and invited Theranos lawyers to his home to interview/pressure Tyler. However as the HBO doc showed, the lawyers got way too aggressive and Schultz realized his mistake. Said in the doc that he wanted to beat the lawyers with a fire poker or something to that effect.

Alleged fraudster Elizabeth Holmes is engaged to hotel heir By Post Staff Report March 30, 2019 | 10:05pm | Updated Enlarge Image Elizabeth Holmes Elizabeth Holmes Getty Images MORE ON: ELIZABETH HOLMES Why are we so obsessed with the scams pulled off by shameless celebs? Why Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes may have used a 'fake' voice A new Theranos documentary is 'Out for Blood' at Sundance Theranos is finally going away for good She’s in trouble, but she’s also in love: Elizabeth Holmes, the indicted founder of the bogus blood-testing company Theranos, has gotten engaged to William “Billy’’ Evans, the heir to a hotel chain, according to multiple reports.

Holmes, 35, is facing up to 20 years prison on accusations that she swindled investors out of hundreds of million of dollars.

Her 27-year-old fiancé is the former manager of special projects for Luminar Technologies, which develops sensors for driverless cars. He had also worked at LinkedIn.

Theranos went belly up after its claims of having developed a device that could quickly diagnose multiple illnesses based on a tiny amount of blood were proven to be phony.

The ugly story is the subject of a series on HBO and a movie starring Jennifer Lawrence.

The Board members and Investors were in on the scam. This is the only logical explaination.

These board members were just honorary to make the whole scam look legit and credible with their respectable names attached to it. High ranking members of society get some serious money to do these gigs that require barely any work. They most certainly don't check what the company, or organisaton, is doing. Do some research and you will find out that these people are board members of several organizations, companies, causes, etc. It's easy money for them.

Just saw the HBO documentary and thought it was way too easy on her. There's a big difference between exaggerating and downright scamming. I can't believe so many people fell for the con because the Steve Jobs clone look seems so laughable.

R441 YES. THANK YOU! R440 No, I wouldn't and that's why I was born in the 80s. What's your point?

Errol Morris looks like an ASS. I am sure he will do some movie about gullible investors in the future.

As a story this is already overdone so why the need for a movie. Also this bitch needs to be severely punished.

Video of the conference was so tightly controlled, limited questions, incredibly dodgy. She made sure to omit Physicians/MD’s from her project. She deserves to spend the rest of her days in prison. Try to imagine the people she killed with her fake test results. Tragic that Scientist killed himself over his fear of her.

[quote] Americans are too obsessed with emotions at the expense of logic, education, and reasoning.

Not just Americans. We are conditioned, through the media, to believe that buying shitty products will make us feel better and be more popular (which totally feels great). That's going on worldwide.

Greed makes investors invest in new inventions (not knowing if they actually work).

The desperation to not be left behind keeps people buying, and investing, in new things.

And there are scam artists who just take advantage of fools who look for any excuse to get rid of their money without wasting a second thought (or doing some proper research).

R21YES! I havent thought about Made in Heaven in years.

I THink her voice is a bit like julie andrews playing count victor in victor/victoria. Wacky

Justin Trudeau kind of does the same thing. When he's being woke or talking about his feminism he softens and gays up his voice.

Morris' nonsense about the HORROR of getting blood drawn. And those pathetic people acting as though they are babies. A needle prick YIKES.

How else can you get blood? Teleportation from the inside of your body?

I fell out with Morris when he went on a tear over Jeffrey MacDonald's "innocence". As much as I love him for The Thin Blue Line he has become a gullible old fool.

I would much rather have my vein poked than get stabbed by a lancet for a finger-draw.

So how many people were harmed by fake lab test results ? Can you imagine if Quest or some other national company faked lab results ?

I don't think there were any reports of any overt harm. There were a few people who had to get things checked in an ER because their results were so out of wack. Dangerously high potassium (blood squeezed from a capillary is always going to be hemolyzed, so it's going to be inaccurately high) someone else with thyroid tests that were all over the map.

Honestly, Holmes is lucky that she didn't have a bigger problem with that. She'd probably be in a wrongful death suit if not some kind of negligent homicide case if someone had died.

I think Jennifer Lawrence would do a fine job playing this wack chick, she even speaks deeply like her.

I know JL is a lock for playing her, but I think Britt Marling would nail it.

They should CGI Rami Malek's bug eyes onto JLaw's face for the movie.

Lucy wanted to do it but Gary talked her out of it. I think she would have been great. She already had the voice down pat. Plus she looks great in black.

She looks just like super model Diane Belmont, r467!

they only problem with a movie now is that the story has already been remarkably played out. A couple books, featured news stories, and a couple documentaries. What else is there left to say? As much as I found the story fascinating, I've seen all these things and read the book, I won't be going to see a movie about it. I've watched it played out in real time.

Elizabeth Holmes: JLaw

Sunny Balwani: Raza Jaffrey

George Schultz: Bruce Dern

Tyler Schultz: Noah Centineo

Alan Beam, pseudonym of Carreyou’s first source - John Cho

Christian Holmes V, Elizabeth’s loser WASP father - Chris Cooper

Noel Holmes, Elizabeth’s Republicunt mother - Catherine O’Hara

David Bois, asshole lawyer - Tommy Lee Jones

Richard Fuisz, eccentric doctor, patent registered and Holmes family friend - Ben Kingsley

Joseph Fuisz - Michael C. Hall

John Carreyou - John Cusack

Rupert Murdoch - Jack Thompson

Patrick O’Neill, adman turned interior designer - Evan Peters

Dr Phyllis Gardner, unconvinced Stanford doctor - Kathy Bates

R469 it’s a movie, not a Netflix series and ghere’s Only so much that can be covered in 2-2.5 hours. , I guess it will be like JACKIE and just focus on one part of the story, probably the bit surrounding the publication of the first Carreyrou article.

If it ever becomes a Ryan Murphy mini series you just know he will cast Sarah Paulson as Holmes. And Evan Peters as Tyler Schultz.

This week, Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes and her fiancé, Billy Evans, were spotted prancing around San Francisco’s Marina District with wide grins as they walked Holmes’ Siberian husky, Balto.

She had shed her infamous black turtleneck (inspired by her hero, Steve Jobs) for a white T-shirt and leggings. He sported a black tee that read, “Take a Walk on the Wild Side.” They looked every inch the ordinary, happy, engaged couple.

Anyone who saw them would never have guessed she is facing 20 years behind bars for wire fraud as part of an alleged scheme to defraud investors, doctors and patients. Or that she is considered one of the biggest scam artists of her generation and accused of putting lives in danger.

But despite her pending trial (her next court appearance is April 22), the 35-year-old Holmes and 27-year-old hotel heir are moving full steam ahead in planning a future together.

“The wedding invites were sent out about two weeks ago,” a former colleague of Evans’ said, adding that the couple got engaged three or four months ago.

“He gave her his MIT signet ring,” said the colleague, who worked with Evans at Luminar Technologies, a Palo Alto, Calif., firm that produces sensors for self-driving cars. “Billy and the MIT ring, they are inseparable. He always wore it on his pinky finger.

“He could snap his fingers and have a triple-A diamond engagement ring instantly if he wanted to. But if you give her some extravagant ring, it could end up owned by the feds if she has to give up her material possessions.”

n March 2018, the Securities and Exchange Commission accused Holmes of conducting “an elaborate, years-long fraud” and duping investors out of $700 million by falsely claiming to have revolutionized medical testing with a diagnostic device that could use a mere finger prick’s worth of blood. (She settled with a $500,000 fine and agreed not to serve as an officer or director of a public company for 10 years.)

‘His family is like, ‘What the f–k are you doing?’ It’s like he’s been brainwashed.’ She has become the subject of national obsession as her jaw-dropping maze of lies and deception has been chronicled in John Carreyrou’s book “Bad Blood,” as well as a recent HBO documentary, “The Inventor,” and the popular podcast “The Dropout.”

Holmes — whom Time magazine declared one of the world’s most influential people in 2015 — has gone from being one of Forbes’ Richest Self-Made Women, with a net worth of $4.5 billion, to having nothing.

People close to Evans, who graduated from MIT in 2015, are trying to make sense of the relationship. Sources told The Post that Evans’ image-conscious parents, William and Susan — who own three top hotels in Southern California, including The Lodge at Torrey Pines in La Jolla — are flabbergasted by their son’s decision to marry Holmes.

(Evans, his family and Holmes did not respond to requests for comment.)

“His family is like, ‘What the f–k are you doing?’ It’s like he’s been brainwashed. [He says,] ‘The media has it all wrong about her,’” said one San Francisco techie.

“He’s had a lot people very close to him sit him down and have a talk,” the colleague said, before cataloging the litany of warnings given to Evans.

“‘This could be the biggest mistake you’ll ever make.’ ‘The negativity around her could blow back on you.’ ‘You’ve never encountered anything like this.’ ‘You need to think hard about what you’re doing.’ ”

Still, the couple is undeterred.

“It’s kind of like Billy is her shiny new toy. She’s super enthusiastic about being with him,” the colleague said.

“The relationship is opportunistic for the both of them. Elizabeth needs a lot of support in her life right now, and Billy is looking for whatever way he can raise his profile.”

[quote]If it ever becomes a Ryan Murphy mini series you just know he will cast Sarah Paulson as Holmes.

This would be amazing.

R470 You left off Erika Cheung who along with Tyler were responsible for confronting Sunny/ Elizabeth. Erika also became informant to federal health regulators and had a big role in chain of events that led to Theranos' downfall. Give credit where it's due. She was featured in the documentary, podcast, as well as the book.

OK, someone name a Eurasian actress under 30 and I’ll slap you if you suggest Rose from Star Wars.

R476 Kristin Kreuk looks youthful

oh no we didn't give the oriental girl credit.

Oriental is a furniture style, Dora Dumfuck @ r478. Now redeem yourself and suggest a woman 5-10 years younger than Kristen Kreuk.

R479 Janel Parrish might work

Maybe Chloe Bennet as Erika Cheung ?

Gemma Chan and Kristin Kreuk both look way younger than their age, both are half-Chinese it'd be a stretch though to play 23 years old. Janel Parrish would be ok too and she's younger. Amanda Westlake is 29, Katie Chang from The Bling Ring is only 23. I'd go with Katie.

I would rather see Jennifer Lawrence in this than as the Russian scammer Anna Delvey. I can imagine her deadplan squint and her sarcastic Slavic drawl and no, thank you, I’ll give it a miss.

This story is overexposed and there is zero need for a feature film.

Throw the cunt in jail to rot, and forget about her. Narcissists don't need more attention.

A young Angelina Jolie would have been great.

[quote] This story is overexposed and there is zero need for a feature film.

Which is EXACTLY why it will get made. A film and a ten episode TV drama.

[quote]Newflash: the board members and investors were in on it. This is the only logical conclusion.

I just finished the book, Bad Blood (HIGHLY recommended).

In the epilogue Carreyrou writes that she made sure the board couldn't agree on anything. She had 99.7% of the voting rights (she had forced through a resolution assigning 100 votes to each share she owned). The board couldn't even reach a quorum without her. George Schultz said they never took any votes because it was pointless - nobody could vote down her proposals. She basically made every decision. This is why the board never hired an independent law firm to investigate what happened - they would need her assent. And she was a great manipulator.

^^ Posted too soon, the sentence should read **she made sure the board couldn't agree on anything without her**

She should be jail, not hitting the festival circuit or planning a wedding.

WTF is wrong with our justice system?????

At least no one died

[quote] She should be jail, not hitting the festival circuit or planning a wedding. WTF is wrong with our justice system?????

Calm down. Her trial is coming. She faces 20 years. Patience.

Kate McKinnon is going to play her for a Hulu series.

I thought R493 was a joke....but it is real.

R494 I thought it was a joke too. Can McKinnon even do drama?

Here's a story about the Hulu limited series

You know that pussy is like sandpaper

One of Holmes's appeal to her investors and her board of old white male directors was that she was this young prodigy.

McKinnon looks all of her 35 years.

Holmes and McKinnon are the same age. But, Holmes started the Theranos crap when she was 19. It will be hard to buy McKinnon playing a 19 year old/early 20s if they started the mini-series from that point.

r497, could you clarify whose pussy you are opining about?

^ Shelly Hack, Rose.

R482 Gemma Chan is Chinese. She's not half-Chinese.

"there’s probably no actor on Earth better suited than McKinnon to capture Holmes’ wide, unblinking eyes and the low thrum of psychosis that seems to vibrate from her many split ends."

I think Kate McKinnon is a theatrical genius, and I will devour this TV dinner.

Elizabeth Holmes accent is that of a nasal dude, not like a drawling mid-Atlantic doyenne of 1940s comedies.

[quote]I think Kate McKinnon is a theatrical genius

She has a theatre degree from Columbia.

Columbia has a theatre school?

McKinnon also has an odd voice and accent for someone who grow up on Long Island. Is she faking her voice like Holmes?

Columbia has a graduate theater program.

Barnard has an undergraduate theater program, but it is not well-regarded. I went to the Columbia program and did not even hear about the undergraduate program until a few years after getting my degree.

Musician Mitski for Erika!

Love Kate McKinnon! I think she'll pull it off.

I just got the book but haven't started reading yet. Is there anything more that hasn't already been covered by the TV documentaries and ABC's podcast?

Honestly, even if you're going to the book last, it's worth a read. There are thriller aspects to it that it gets across better than the other formats.

^ Thanks r512.

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Has there any word when the Bad Blood adaptation will be filmed? I bet Hulu tries to get their show out before the movie.

It ought to be an investigation tale, like ALL THE PRESIDENT’S MEN, but with flashbacks.

I think the Hulu series will be excellent.

The film? Based on J Law and that director?? Basically To Die For Meets Meet The Fockers or some shit, That will be a firm PASS!!

Yeah, I don't care much for Adam McKay's directorial vision when it comes to these more investigative films he's been doing. The style worked better for The Big Short, but was pretty obnoxious in Vice. I can see him getting up to the same antics with Bad Blood.

We'll likely see the Hulu project before McKay's. Jennifer Lawrence already has another project lined up and probably won't get around to filming Bad Blood until she's done with that... assuming the film gets made.

Jennifer Lawrence's other film project sounds like another Oscar bait movie for her.

[quote]We'll likely see the Hulu project before McKay's. Jennifer Lawrence already has another project lined up and probably won't get around to filming Bad Blood until she's done with that... assuming the film gets made.

Lawrence's other project is supposed to start filming in June. There hasn't been other news regarding Bad Blood. It's hard to tell when the Hulu show will film. I'm guessing sometime late summer. It's going to be six episodes.

In between making court appearances for allegedly defrauding investors out of millions of dollars with a defective blood-testing device, Elizabeth Holmes is reportedly also planning her wedding to fiancé, Billy Evans.

The former Theranos CEO and her ex-boyfriend, former Theranos president Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani, are being charged with nine counts of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. They appeared together in court in San Jose, California, on Monday, and are due back in court in July to discuss a trial date.

According to a new feature from The New York Post's Dana Schuster, Holmes is moving forward with her wedding to Evans, a 27-year-old hotel heir and a 2015 MIT grad, despite the pending trial.

does he know she's an asspie lesbian?

Great headline: Elizabeth Holmes's Neck Makes a Rare Appearance in Court

Trial is set for July 8.

I wonder who's paying for her defense. Her parents? Billy?

I finished reading Bad Blood today. Funny that she hired her brother and some of his frat bro friends and gave them vague yet somewhat important positions at the company and the other employees privately referred to them as the Frat Pack.

God, I wish Gawker was around to cover the trial.