Part 24: Dangling Tendrils - All Things Meghan Markle

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‘Catherine and Meghan live very different lives,’ adds the source. ‘And that is likely to become more marked over time.’

Catherine will in due course become Princess of Wales, Queen and mistress of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Balmoral Castle and Sandringham House.

Meghan will use her divorce settlement to buy a three bedroom house in Toluca Lake, where she operates a bespoke candle making business, having never lost her baby weight.

So glad that the malignant narcissistic sociopath with cluster B is not going to live next to Queen Kate.

I can just picture MerchAgain 30 years post-divorce clinging on like Patsy Stone while little Zika takes on the Saffy role.

OK, I love snark as much as anyone but using the "Zika" name for a baby is too much.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

The baby will have enough problems with the 2 parents.

Could we please not use the "Z" word for the innocent baby.

Thanks.

Does anyone think Harry’s imagined grievances are more toxic than supposed, and he would enjoy it if his grasping trashy little spouse had the public clamoring for a republic b4 William becomes king? He loves and drama.

Well, something is clearly up. All reports before the tour said they were getting the big place in Kensington, and now they aren't even holding onto the cottage. She must've really been a nightmare on the tour. Or maybe he was.

I may have to adjust my earlier estimate of two babies and seven years to one baby and three years.

Another site has speculated that since Sparkle and Harry have attended some recent events that were unannounced (the dinner the night after Prince Charles birthday party) with no publicity, that that might signal that BP is not feeding the publicity hungry. Yes, they have engagements but there is little or none publicity about them.

If this story is true, any staff at Kensington Palace are probably celebrating this news. Especially after Melissa left. The truth of what happened with Melissa is probably much worse than any of us know and that kind of nasty treatment of staff would not have been isolated to just Melissa.

R585 - The length of the marriage is not why the live baby is so important for Sparkle (although most couples with a child will try to stick it out a bit longer and Harry wants kids desperately), it's what happens to Sparkle's finances after the marriage is over. No live baby or babies, and she leaves with the clothes on her back, any trinkets bought for her as wedding presents, and some sort of settlement based on "lost earnings" as an actress [sic] due to having "given up my career" for the demands of the marriage.

If Sparkle doesn't prove she can give Harry children, he will be that much more amenable to family pressure to get rid of her and move on to someone who can.

Public sympathy be hanged - this woman needs a baby, and fast.

Could it be Ms. Thing and her thick as a plank puppet believe they are going to force the hand of Chuckles by putting this rumor out there on the pretext that their current digs at KP is just too damn cramped. How are they expected, they scoff, to raise a "growing" family in such tight quarters? I could see Sparkplug trying to use a sympathy ploy to move to a grander residence.

Jesus, R5, could you at least give those of us dependent on insulin time to find it before you post?

I concur with the poster upthread on restraining ourselves from ill-wishing even in sarcasm Zika on any child.

Assuming that the DM has a decent source (which is never an assumption you should bet your life on) on the apartment info, this reeks of damage control, as well, much as the "we want our children to have normal lives so we are refusing titles for them" story does.

Either there's no truth in it at all, or HM and or Charles have already told HazBean that no HRHs will be forthcoming, and that the Gloucesters are staying put and they will have to look for larger digs elsewhere. I'm sure, if this is the truth, that Charles will see to it that his son and grandchild are suitably domiciled, but HRH's idea of "suitability" may be different from, say, that of the Duchess of Sussex.

One also needs to remember that Sparkle, as Diana was, is no country girl; she likes the flesh-pots, the buzz, the shopping, and the visibility. Being holed up in the Cotsolds, however beautiful, with a new baby and a cranky husband, whilst Kate and William enjoy their huge flat in a historic palace in the heart of London, will probably irk her.

I did love the "Meghan and Harry don't want to live next door to William and Kate" bit.

This is one of those articles that functions as a sort of "press release" from the Sussexes via the DM to get in front of facts that aren't precisely what they could have wished for.

R5 nobody is “wishing harm” on the junior Suckssex, what exactly do you think is going to happen? Ma Markle has already visited at risk countries, do you think the baby will read this thread and suddenly be struck down? Calm your tits.

Perhaps they can share part of Bagshot Park.

Edward, Sophie, Louise and James only use part of it due to the costs.

Perhaps Sparkle and Harry can join them in another wing.

R15 - Or better yet, perhaps Princess Anne will rent out Aston Farm to them at Gatcombe Park in Gloucestershire. Meghan could take up eventing once she recovers from giving birth.

Or maybe a wing of Gatcombe - after all, it's a Grade II listed building.

Meghan and Harry are flouncing a bit early. I don't believe Kate and William got the big place in Kensington until after two babies and five years of marriage. If Megs and Harry waited, they might get their hands on the Gloucester place. If they move out of KP altogether, it will be harder to move back in later. Rookie mistake.

Anne and she can elaborate on their conversation about dogs. And Nutmeg can safely put taxidermied Guy the Beagle by the door without remorse.

[quote] If they move out of KP altogether, it will be harder to move back in later.

They may not have any choice. Those apartments are supposed to be rented at the going rate, which the Queen pays for some of her relatives. Her cousins are, in fact, working royals.

It was obvious that they are not getting the big place in Kensington Palace. It would be a PR headache for the firm if two elderly members are kicked to the curb for the Sussex twosome

I don’t think that even Charles, after Xsessions, can kick his elderly relatives out of their homes without a major scandal so HazBean will have to bunk elsewhere

Isn't this just another sign of how unsuited she is to this role and this life? William and Kate stayed at Anmer when their children were very little but I can't see Meagain in the country, cut off from the ateliers of designers she can wear badly. But they almost all go to the country. Unless they kick out one of the charities currently using Diana's old space. I just don't know where there is for them to go in London that's secure.

If the Royals wanted Megs and Harry to have a big place at KP, something would be worked out. They moved people from offices for Will and Kate. But Will is the heir, AND he and Kate still waited 5 years for the privilege.

The Sussexes have been married 6 months, and have yet to prove themselves as an asset to the Firm. If they behave themselves for a few years and produce a couple of photogenic babies, a large and comfy space might be found at K P for them, too.

This sparkle thing with Harry is an epic mortification. What has the BRF covered up about him?

LOLOL, I actually think this was "leaked" by the RF, not H and M. "Using their own money to buy their own place". As if. They don't have the money to afford any decent place. They are being threatened with being thrown out on their asses with no support.

Please, this is not their choice and they’re not becoming independent. They’re downgraded and getting the boot. Miss Meg is doing her “I’m in control.” Spin.

Btw, Kate and will didn’t want KP, are obvious country types, and delayed the move to central London for as long as possible. Then via a senior royal mtg it was decided it was time KP become their main residence (I.e. assume a higher profile) while Americans was their country retreat. If it were up to them they’d be full time at Amber and rarely at KP. They weren’t waiting for KP. They were delaying.

I think R13 is right: The BRF is going to contain and control Meghan and Harry by banishing them to the country. It's unimpeachably generous on the face of it, because a woman who loved England, loved her husband, and loved her children ― a woman who had given up her former life and country of birth to fulfill these dreams ― would have all she needed to be happy in the Cotswolds.

But, as we know, Meghan did not enter this marriage out of love. Deprived of the glitz and glamour of the city, of the opportunity to be seen and admired on social media, she will come undone.

At the core of her, I think there is some kind of void. I don't think she is person who can pick up a book and be transported by poetry, or ride a horse and feel connected with the land. I don't she can access any of those pleasures. Reading these Dangling Tendrils threads on a Friday night with a glass of wine gives me a kick, but, sometimes, when I contemplate her situation, I feel something like sadness for her.

I disagree with censorship. R5 stop being the gestapo here. The Queens on DL have deliciously VICIOUS humor and if your way too sensitive you're in control here. Put that poster on block and move on.

Me? I love the vicious queens on DL & it's why I come here.

But but but... won't somebody think of the little babies?!!

R7 nothing is "up". Meghan Markle wanted that place next to Will & Kate & no one in the BRF is going to EVER give it to them. They are never going to move next to the future King, his wife Kate & the heirs. They KNOW that Meghan Markle is a liar, and she's dangerous.

O/T but ON the Dang. Tend. Topic - pix have come out of her in the dress and below the waist - the bump is NOT THERE. Further, MM+H left before the HM.

Verrry interesting.

You let me worry about the babies. I've got a way with kids.

Wow Harry is moving to Soho farmhouse full time then. Unless he already is and this is just making it official.

SSAA intern 3 - Any reason for branding yourself continually? Are you 10 years old?

They were never getting Apt 1. That was all Megs trying to force the issue. It worked with idiot Harry. Didn’t work with Pippa wedding invite, tiara, etc. doesn’t work on anything brf but Harry.

R32 fuck the fuck off u humorless, brain dead ass.

I forgot about the Pippa invite, R33. This has been a shitshow for the ages. 😍

I took a screenshot of the pic I found on the CD group, it's her full length & the bump is missing

R5, the baby's full name is Lady Zika Xanaxia Cocainia Victoria of Sussex.

What was the story with Pippa wedding invite? Thanks.

Ooooh, R33 and R35, I must have missed that tidbit! Did Meghan leak that she had been invited?

What is the CD group, please?

the baby's full name is Lady Zika Xanaxia Cocainia Merchada Taglita Victoria of Sussex.

So, R36, how many days before the tragic miscarriage is announced? After that, what are we saying 6,7 months until formal separation?

R37, R41: you forgot ‘Diana’

[R27] [R28] The problem with calling Meghan and Harry's baby a Zika baby is the fact that it takes a real life challenge that some families are struggling with and makes fun of it. That isn't even making fun on M and H because they would be able to afford caring for their child if it had special needs. It would only make M seem more saintly. Making fun of Zika babies makes them seem like a curse or misfortune you wish on your enemy. Maybe special needs kids shouldn't be the punchline of a joke, even on DL.

Ok uploaded the photo now. BUMP IS MISSING, but boob pads are in

404 not found, R44. Can you try again?

Ok trying one last time to upload this, otherwise forget it

Pls LMK if you see it, friends

Thanks, R47. No bump, how strange...

R41 add Roastaria Chickensia Favoritzolash Charleston and I’m on board.

R43 I understand what you're saying, and I did not say Zika baby, but I was the one for free speech on here. I totally understand what you're saying, it WOULD make her more sympathetic. Zika babies are severely challenging and kind of scary to the general populace. I completely understand. However, understand I'm just defending the right of our resident vicious queens to be as free as they want to be on this thread. Hope that helps.

That’s not from the birthday party, unless she changed earrings.

R43, if you think the world as place of curses you're a superstitious fool and you better get a crash helmet if you're going to play here.

Nobody's taking the piss on Zika babies. It's a riff on Madame herself wandering Zika zones while cradling the Christchild2.0 in her EZ Bake.

Oh, God I hope I didn't ruin anybody's Christmas with that.

r34 = SSAA

I see a bump. The problem is her raggedy dress also has a reflective quality to it - presumably she likes to look at herself as much as possible. It isn't a pronounced bump. She seems to be having a rectangular pregnancy. She's widening. Like an IMAX screen.

WW r52. Some of us need and appreciate a bit of levity - thank you. Ignore the deadbeats.

So, getting away from the flamewar, does anyone notice that the dress boob are too big for her flat boobs & that the boob pads look ridiculous on her?

R51 is right. The photo at R46 is from a post-birthday event, as covered in thread #23.

I don't know about boob pads but the last time saw that much bronze baby shoes had been made into bookends.

R38 and R39- this was when I thought MM was legit but there were nonstop blinds and stories that she was attending, that Harry really wanted her there. Incessant. When she wasn’t, reports commenced that he drove 100 miles to fetch her to the reception, and that she wore this or that dress. Lies. It was her campaign for an invite.

Actually, having zika might be preferable in this case. Imagine this child's horror when they fully grasp who their parents are. You know this kid will be a headcase with her as a mother.

CD is the Charlatan Duchess group which is now secret because of the assholes complaining to the Brit Police about the place being racist, just like we have here at DL. Anyone criticizing MM is considered "racist", just as MM believes and says and got PH to say for her.

And, the Brit Police are actually arresting people who say "mean things" on the internet. It's a huge fucking mess which is again, why I am for #FreeSpeech on this thread & actually everywhere.

The CD group is made up of mostly women from all over the world, plenty of POC. But this abrogation of free speech on the internet is deeply conserning to me.

LOL the article sure makes it sound like Will and Kate do NOT want the Harkles living right next door. And kicking out elderly working members of the Firm would be horrible optics that would further make Meghan and Harry look greedy. If they're forced to go live in the country, I give the marriage less than a year after the baby is born before she bolts. She signed up for glitz, glamor and fame, not being tucked away permanently in the Cotswolds.

I like how the article at R1 refers to their country house as a ‘converted cow shed’.

I think the Harkles are being frozen out by the BRF and it's starting to affect MM, which is why she should never be near Kate & the children. Ever. Not in this life. She's dangerous.

Since I am R5, I would like to add just one additional remark as far as my first (and only) post about the use of "Zika".

I too am all for free speech and in no way am advocating censorship. In fact, I haven't read anyone posting on here who is suggesting censorship.

However, just as with the use of racist language when referring Sparkle (which one could also defend with the free speech) , the use of Zika when referencing the baby is just plain ugly.

And neither term has anything to do with the very real questionable attributes on display by the subjects of these threads. There is plenty of grist for the mill without following such ugly paths.

But free speech is, of course, up to the individual.

So where is, what H called, our little bump?

Did we forget to add the Thread 23 link? Thread 23 below

Bet she is the type of narc to threaten self harm.

She is exhausting.

R52 It's possible I'm a fool. I doubt I'm a superstitious one though. My comment was about hoping for a curse or misfortune for others. I don't judge how other people make sense of the world whether they see karma, coincidence or curse. I was focused on DL schadenfreude at the possibility of M and H having a baby with Zika. R50 Yes to free speech. I'm just throwing something for the queens to consider as they ponder creative baby names.

TY R65 but free speech can be ugly and uncomfortable, outside of threats of violence I'm for all conversations, and if I'm uncomfortable with someone on this thread or on other DL threads outside of this one, I usually just block them & don't engage. YMMV.

Up Harry's nose, r66.

Have a drink r65. You've made your point a few times now. Let it go.

[quote]My comment was about hoping for a curse or misfortune for others.

Which no-one is. So get off your high horse, fun sponge.

[quote] The trouble with being with someone dramatic is that they are dramatic all the time.

Supposedly said by Prince Charles to his son Harry when the subject of his marrying came up.

So the posters here WERE right, they aren't going to move to Apt 1 next to the Cambridges! I didn't think that would come to pass, and here we are. And they may even move entirely away from KP! possibly to their 'own place' - ? who would fund that?

The comment in the Fail re Megs and Kate 'going in different directions' floored me. Yes they're different individuals with differing tastes and styles, but they are same aged young royals who will both have young children the same age, born as cousins. What 'different directions' would these be? Seems to me they'd be doing a lot of the same general things.

Back to, she left early BEFORE THE QUEEN, allegedly. Isn't that a no no? And the bump has disappeared. In fact that baby bump has certainly gotten a lot smaller than when she was in Oceana that she was definitely wearing a fake belly. HOW THE F is Harry going along with all this fake bs the boob fakery, the fake butt pads, the fake bump, the endless plastic surgery, the lips being plumped? HOW THE F?

Well, one may be leaving the family and one will continue, different things like that, R75.

Kate and William got the apartment 1A in 2013, after George was born, and before that, they used to live in Anglesey. In fact, I don’t think they settled in KP until much later - they brought George to KP from the hospital, waited for the Queen to visit, and immediately after that hightailed it to Bucklebury. I remember a huge stink on Celebitchy about Kate endlessly renovating KP on taxpayers’ dime while staying at her parents where her mom was helping her care for baby George. There were endless stories about Kate having postpartum depression, not knowing how to handle the baby, William spending time with other women, etc.

[quote]The comment in the Fail re Megs and Kate 'going in different directions' floored me.

I take that two ways, but both with the Mail's usual snide subtext. One way is that someone is moving toward higher status and one toward Princess Michael status.

Or one is more family oriented and the other is more Instagram oriented.

Another site is claiming that Sparkle is refusing to see "Royal" doctors.

I don’t think Harry wants kids at all. They’re props to him. His shtick. Video of him urging small, reluctant kids on this tour to hug Meghan bear that out. He has no respect. They are nonjudgmental, safe props. The end.

Oh for fuck's sake, R43, that's one frau rant too many.

Goodbye and good luck.

R73 I can't afford the stable fees so I've had to sell the horse. Austerity measures and all that. Anyway, check out R4 I'd say that was wishing ZIka on M and H's unborn but I could be wrong in which case I stand corrected.

LInk, R80?

r65 - Here's a thread where you can post and enjoy other posts without fear of anyone harming your sensibilities.

Celebitchy are mostly ex-Angelina Jolie fans who are now MM fans. Like AJ, most of MM fans are POC who are living their lives through MM, who really is another fucking crazy Cluster B narcissist like Angie. And of course, they're so desperate to be accepted somehow because they are fucking nuts.

It sucks for the fun of this site when people wander in here and think they can tame it.

Isn't there a nice kitten and puppy video thread for the delicate?

We're in Mumsnet territory now.

It actually IS possible for her baby IF IT EXISTS to get Zika. She went to 2 countries w Zika, Fiji & Tonga even though HM did not want her to further on that tour & allegedly she wasn't supposed to go & her duties were being "cut back" remember?

If the baby DOES have Zika it is HER FUCKING FAULT. Her fault & her alone! And the reason would be that she did not want to give up the publicity. What a fucking psycho she is.

I think all the heroin she was previously accused of shooting will probably inoculate the baby from most diseases.

Meghan wants to be different, so she probably wants homebirth, or waterbirth, holistic, ayurvedic, yoga birth while doing sirvasana or bakasana or some such crap.

r65 - Here's a better thread.

R16 picking up eventing at gatcombe with anne would be my life's dream

Great idea, R92s!

[quote]Anyway, check out [R4] I'd say that was wishing ZIka on M and H's unborn but I could be wrong in which case I stand corrected.

You're wrong. So shut up.

The black sleeveless Roland Mouret wasn't from Charles' birthday party. It was from an event tonight in London. William and Kate were also in attendance as you can see in the pics (Kate recycling a gorgeous red dress) and the "fab 4" didn't pose for a single photo together even all being at the same place. Even though they posed with the same people being honored. Man things are getting frostier between the couples.

Meghan in yet another new expensive black dress by a French luxury brand. What a shocker..

I don’t know why people are predicting divorce. It’s clear that MM is burning a lot of bridges with the Royal family very quickly, but it’s also obvious that Harry approves of all that. I’d say he himself would sooner choose to give up his place in the succession line, guilt Charles into giving him money, and go the Fergie way.

No one here is wishing ANYONE in the world to have a Zika baby. Jesus Christ.

If anyone is wishing harm on that fetus, it’s the stupid parents who had to gallivant around Zika zones. They’re the ones harming the baby with actions, not some snarky people on a keyboard.

Just block the Zika baby whiners. Problem solved.

Did anyone hear a story that Sparkle lied about being a member of SAG?

R84 allegedly that is from an insider saying that MM is refusing to see HRH's Royal Gynos because even the Queen wants to know if she's really pregnant & MM is refusing the Queen. The same insider has stated that the BRF would no longer "protect" her from the press. This was several weeks ago, and it's all happening now. All of it.

Allegedly MM is miffed as hell that Doria won't be invited to Xmas with the Queen and she screamed is was "BULLSHIT" that she has to ask the Queen this stuff, this was in screaming at Harry btw.

So far, this insider is 100% correct about everything.

Lastly, don't underestimate all the Queens living and working in the palace who are the real insiders to all the gossip. I've heard that gossip at the palace goes around very fast. MM is pissing off a LOT of people.

BTW, I like the SSAA & the SSAA interns. IDK who hates them but I'm wondering if it's the person that hates Free Speech around here. Pls carry on SSAA & SSAA interns.

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r103 = SSAA intern

R105 wrong

R104 it was from a movie she worked on by Meg's ex-husband Trevor Engleson....who gave Meg a role in the same movie. She wasn't getting work without him. Then he helps her get Suits and she dumps him. What a piece of work.

Allegedly she slept with Matt Lauer & Weinstein. Lauer for sure. Weiinstein IDK but she sleeps with whomever to giive her a part. She's a terrible actress, from what I've seen. Excruciating, even.

Thanks for these threads. About the only place where the cynics can chat about Meagain. Mumsnet, Lipstickalley both do quite a good job of running off anybody that isn't down with dry haired Meghan. But I knew, as aback person that I was in a very dark corner being cynical about Our Meg when that prat Al Sharpton actually had the temerity to fix his silly mouth to say that Meghan marrying into the BRITISH Royal Family is indicative of the lessening of White Supremacy. It shocks me , and it shouldn't, time and again how much validation too many black people and other POC need from white people. And in my near half decade , no time has been worse for this phenomenon than nowadays. Progression isregression as manifested in too many narratives swinging around in today's Babylon.

I saw Sparkle in some hokey made for TV show last week. I watched it to see how bad she really was. It lived up and even exceeded to my epectations. After her Suits gig, I have no clue where, at 37 and nearing 40, with very poor acting ability, no on screen "presence", average looks, where she would have landed. I suspect she knew she wasn't ever going to "make it" back in her home country at her age and with limited talent and one mediocre TV movie series under her belt.

Hence, the desperation to sell herself to anyone with money who would marry her and support her. She wouldn't have landed any big fish in Canada and that's why she went fishing on the other side of the pond, con people into thinking she was more than she actually is.

^^^^ expectations

I don't think you can make any claims about disappearing bumps looking at the strapless dress she was wearing tonight (last night). It's got a gathered full skirt and she's standing with her hand in front holding a clutch. It's the one photo and it doesn't show anything. Cute dress though, no opinion whether it was right for the occasion.

What i can't get over is the DM article that says they aren't moving into KP. That's big. I know he's a cousin and all but the Gloucesters have never been as high profile as both sets of Kents. Their kids are all grown and married. Not Cot is only two bedrooms, not enough for a nanny and Doria when she comes to visit. We're all familiar with how the DM embellishes, if not outright fantasizes but this story is extreme even for them: Harry lives in a converted cow shed????? That's the kind of thing an intern slips into a story for a joke and then gets fired and the story is quickly retracted when people read it.

But what about the hot chef bf, R110? He seemed primed for commitment seeing as how he settled down and either married or knocked up the next girl who came along. In the words of Jeri Blank, ‘if you’re gonna reach for a star, reach for the lowest one you can’. MM didn’t, and fucked it all up.

He make a lower profile, but The Duke of Gloucester is quite busy with engagements for the Royal Family.

The Court Circular allows for the listing of Royal engagements for any member of the RF for the past year. His list goes on for 11 pages.

^^ "may make"

Sparkles and Lauer? She's too conniving - too similar to him. Yet she's oddly enough woefully unsophisticated.

SSAAs - From another thread by another poster:

You have made up a stupid name to sign your posts. We don't do that here. Anyone who is attention-seeking in that way on the Datalounge goes on ignore or is mercilessly mocked into stopping. Please be aware and best of luck.

Re Kate's dress, R550 - it's a lovely dress and red is a great colour on her, but I cringe every time I see her exposed chest and shoulders. Despite her height and slimness, she has broad masculine shoulders and a freckled chest.

I always thought there was something off with these two from the beginning . I can’t put my finger on it .

It seems pretty likely that both Harry and MM are drug users, based on photos of both. This could explain their debts and financial problems. Do you think the RF has dealt with this?

Jeez... They don't look like drug users unless you think all people swawolling xanax are junkies.

I don't know what to think. There have been lots of surprising stories over the past few weeks. They can't all be true, but some are likely to be true.

I don't think she'd do heroin or anything to slow down her system or make her lazy. She's too ambitious for that. If anything, she probably wants tons of energy to stay alert so she doesn't miss any opportunities to gloat, grift, etc.

It will be really awkward if these two brothers don't raise their children--who will be close in age--to be close cousins. William and Harry were close with their cousins growing up; it would be natural for them to want to provide the same support system for their own kids. Of course the Cambridge kids will have Pippa's kids to play with. The Sussex kids will not be close to any cousins from their mom's side, obviously.

It's hard for me to believe that Meghan can just waltz in the palaces and try to start bossing around the Queen and her staff. Seems like a social climber would try to suck up to the Queen.

The Cambridges are already close to the Phillips and of course Pippa's boy and maybe Eug and Bea kids.

I think the Firm wanted to give them their chance with the Tour and Invictus. They fucked up and are sent to Siberia to learn some valuable lessons about their work.

At the same time the Cambridges are enjoying themselves and William is finally greatly improving at his job. We will see how Kate manages with a more busy schedule.

Weren't there stories in the earlier threads about Meagain having been caught prowling around at least one of the royal residences taking photos of the strictly private areas? Am I just imagining this?

I've heard about those stories but like hundreds of others it's just speculations.

I guess Soho place is the best place for them to stay. There would be lots of other actress types around. Meghan would be bored silly if she had nobody to talk to except for her three-years-younger, uneducated, childish husband.

R109 : there are POC in the Charlatan Duchess groups on FB. Once you get trusted they'll prob send you a link to the secret group. DL & the CD group are literally the only places where it is safe to criticize her.

Regarding that family photo...why did they put little Charlotte on the end? They needed to sandwich her in between Charles and Camilla, which would have made more sense, and then Bean really wouldn't have been able to tentacle her.

R41, if you read the kid’s name backwards, it says “Guy is dead,Guy is dead, Guy is dead....”

I've seen lots of critical comments about her on the Daily Fail.

R130, yes, the vast majority of comments about Meghan on the DM are negative.

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My guess is that they'e not going to install Meghan and Harry in Kensington Palace because they don't think the marriage is secure. Let her move into a nice apartment there, and it will be hellish to get her out, especially if she's mother to a child of Harry's. It will be Princess Di all over again: a divorced royal wife hanging around a royal palace when the Firm just wishes she'd go the hell away.

People were posting on the last thread that Charles or William should have dissuaded Harry from marrying Meghan. I don't agree with that. It's not their place. Harry's a grown man. If one of my family members got engaged to someone I disapproved of, I wouldn't try to interfere unless the circumstances were extreme (i.e. they had a criminal record, or they were a serial cheat). At a push, I'd maybe ask him to make sure he wasn't rushing things too much if he proposed as early as Harry did, but that's about it. I don't think much good comes of interfering in family members' love lives.

[quote]It will be Princess Di all over again: a divorced royal wife hanging around a royal palace when the Firm just wishes she'd go the hell away.

Except in this instance the thinking public will wish it as well.

One imagines, R134, yours isn't the British royal family, however, where an ill chosen spouse might matter somewhat more.

Unless there's something you'd like to tell us.

Perhaps Charles and Will tried to dissuade him, but Harry was stubborn. Stupid people often are.

It's amazing, given how she's burned bridges with her family and her circle back in Toronto, that Meghan isn't kissing ass right and left with Charles & Co. This Royal duchess thing is literally her last chance at a comfortable high-profile life, and she seems to be blowing it at every turn.

R137, isn’t that amazing? Pure hubris. Personally, I can’t operate that way (prefer to make alliances) and find it difficult to understand the benefits of behaving otherwise. But, as Trump knows, being a pushy asshole sometimes leads to success. *shrugs* Maybe others give her the chance, thinking they’re the lucky ones who won’t get burned.

R132, that’s interesting. How very uncharacteristic of her! She’s going to milk that fetus for all it’s worth. She’ll have to “rest” frequently now.

Of all the shit the insider dropped, my favorite was the repetition of “lies lies lies”. It’s like they were overwhelmed by piled up detail and finally said “it’s her lies!”

R139, so is she knocked up in your opinion? Is there a surrogate? Is there NO baby at all?

I am not convinced that she fell out with Markus given the ongoing nexus with Soho. Is he her sole adviser at this point, other than possibly, Doria?

All that canoodling with the Canadian, for years. The hashtags like #happy wife happy life and #fake honeymoon. What the hell happened there?

I am lost about the Jaguar, was it gifted to Harry who then re-gifted it or is the idea that MeAgain made Harry buy it for JM? Story got picked up a lot and is very strange.

Oh that wife of Vextey at the birthday bash of PC . What was she thinking ? That it was Soho House or another nightclub she was going to . What a whore . Their where king and Queens of Europe attending that bash and most of them of middel -age . Even her nippels were showing . Never heard of a bra ? That was no place to show up like that .

R142, some cucky men enjoy having other men ogle their hooker-attired wives. But it’s certainly not the proper venue for that nonsense. She probably thought she was dressing conservatively.

I went to the Charlatan Duchess FB page and that shit is too crazy for me. Those people are as unhinged as the Sugars. Two sides of the same coin. It’s bananas. I can imagine that those folks are on a watchlist.

Yes, there's no need to believe every rumor just because Markle isn't a favorite.

Here is what I believe: She's in this for all she can get (money + fame) She doesn't give a shit about the 1000-year history of the Royal family, its traditions and its protocols She doesn't give a shit about Great Britain or its people She's leaking stories about herself to friendly journalists

Here is what I don't believe: She's using any drug stronger than Xanax or Ambien She's recording every conversation with the Royal family She's in debt for millions of dollars to Soho House She's not really pregnant: As other posters have pointed out, she NEEDS this baby desperately

R101 I did. It was in a interview with another cast member. No big deal to her. Just paperwork. Don’t forget her resume has her fluent in 3 languages including Portuguese expert horseback riding etc. she’s a liar.

[quote] "cucky"

WTF? Go away, weird guy using ignorant right wing, Steve Bannon terms for people.

Oh I totally believe she’s in debt to both Mulroney and soho house. Their fave Reporter sconce tweeted from the soho farmhouse weeks ago. He was obviously there with her and she’s not paying. Come on. Soho house has carried her for years. She’s not and never did pay those dues on her pittance Suits episode rate. She talked herself into being brand ambassador. No way her pre Harry lifestyle or even rumored yachting paid for all that travel. She’s in debt all right.

R144 it’s a closed group. How did u read the posts there? At the moment they r moving and not accepting new members.

Are Harry and Meghan happy as a couple?

And what else really matters?

The story is that Meghan owes Jessica a lot of money and also lied to her about other stuff. On the tour Jessica had a convo with Harry finding out she was never getting her money and other lies. Remember Ben Mulroney bragged he was going to interview H and M and it never happened. The royal family has been rumored to get free jags for years. Perhaps Harry asked daddy to ask Jaguar to throw one Mulroney’s way as a consolation partial payment but they were busted and it fell through. One guess who busted them. Who is that spiteful.

That does have a bit of a ring of truth, R151.

Ps of course Meghan uses drugs as does Harry. Doesn’t have to be the old fashioned street type use. Illegal chemicals come in many forms. Anyone really believe itchy and scratchy Harry’s only drug problem years ago was he almost smoked some weed? Good god what a joke. Or that 2 hours of a scared straight type conversation fixed it?

Ps Meghan loves the 1990s so much she probably has someone get her ecstasy. J/k

R150

1) It does not appear so

2) The future of the monarchy

Is she pregnant or is she not pregnant?

Seriously, enough of this fuckery.

R147, I’m a woman. There are men who like to show off their “hot wives” and want other men to fuck them. It can be a private bedroom thing, but as we all know, people don’t always keep their fetishes behind closed doors.

If there’s a less objectionable term than “cuckold/cucky”, please advise. I’m sorry if I hit a nerve.

The thing I don’t believe is a popular theory that Meghan has Harry bleary eyed with lust because of her exotic sex magic and she just throws him the sex look or touches his inner thigh and he’s helpless. I figure this this theory must be popular with the Fifty Shades crowd. Meantime Harry has been a degenerate for years. There’s nothing she can teach him or introduce him to.

Once upon a time, Duchess Sparkle had great hair.

For the Tom Walker event, Meghan channeled Rachel of Suits with her off the shoulder black dress.

R156, of course she is.

She’d have to be very mentally ill to think she could fool everyone. Some have; Google Carrie Bradshaw-Crother if you want to read a crazy pregnancy hoax.

She's getting ALL she ever wanted: attention and fame!

Haha, you’re right, r158. I think her hold on him is mainly psychological/emotional manipulation. The sex part is background noise.

Young Meghan (click for more photos)

R160, that dress reminds me of this one.

Meghan and Harry aren't moving next door???? Hip hip hooray!

R164, she really looks Latina in those photos.

That really looks like a wig, r159

Are we still pretending this chick is pregnant.

I think Meghan is mentally ill. Since she is obviously padding her ass, boobs and stomach, to a ludicrous extent considering her supposed due date, the question is is there a baby under there. She is capable of any lie. I also think she may have taken the incredible risk of alienating her only safety net, Mulroney, as a brinkmanshipe ploy with the royal family. “I have nowhere to go and no money. No family. I’m Harry’s wife. You played along. R u going to see me on the streets? I’m ur responsibility!”

But while I think she’s a risk player who could fake this shit knowing however the BRF react in private, they will never publicize this, at the end of the day the biggest believers in no pregnancy also swore no engagement no wedding and no tour.

I think too she has a mental ilness R170

If they don't love each other why did he marry her?

R170. I am one of the few non Meghan fan that knew she will marry Harry but I am not so sure she is actually pregnant. A baby will pop up in the media but who is the surrogate is the real mystery. R172 are you that naive. People in the public eye rarely marry for love.

I wonder why they left early? They should still be riding the crest of the newlywed wave and a lot of the people at the party would not have been at the wedding. She's in her second trimester so that's supposed to be the easiest of the three.

Petulance over the Firm's recent attempts at discipline: the placement on the balcony and at the Royal Albert concert, as well as the dawning realization that no, really, HM is NOT kicking the Gloucesters out of Apt. 1 at KP so that Harry and Sparkle can move in.

Indeed, that kind of behavior shows them being pissy about their situation. The narcissist probably believes their leaving early makes a larger impression on that crowd than it realistically did. Most of those in attendance understand protocol; and if anything, only recognize what they did as bad form.

I don't think it's too far fetched to suggest she may have mental illness of some sort or some degree. Diana was able to hide her issues for the most part til after the wedding and the BRF had known her all her life and she was around them for the entire engagement/dating period. MegTungsten wasn't constantly around them, rushed dating/engagement and she is after all an "actress". I'm sure all the craziness is seeming all too familiar to them now, Ruh Roh.

Another rumor is that along with slapping Meghan and Harry down - her most partisan fans in the press ignored the remembrance events and her obvious come down - Charles instructed the press that when it comes to his birthday, highlight Catherine. He finally shut down the undermine Kate machine.

It’s just an aside but I think in having that third kid it made Kate super extra forever totally royal and family by a factor many times where she was with the first two, and she was pretty royal already.

[quote]Charles instructed the press that when it comes to his birthday, highlight Catherine. He finally shut down the undermine Kate machine.

That's ridiculous. If Charles did that the effect would be to create the headline: Charles instructs press to highlight Kate in birthday coverage.

Have you seen any of the last, oh, twenty years of coverage about the royal family?

I mean just look at the woman. The belly cradling - that is wack. How she dresses with inattention to detail ... mud, tags, plastic. How she walks, interacts. Her facial expressions and vacant eyes. Her apparently vicious temper and meanness. The padding. The grandiosity. Her being so OTT. She’s “not right” as they say.

Now look at her twin, Jessica Mulroney. Same porny make up, ridiculous fashion sense, same inflated opinion of her own sexiness, capable of stunts like her attempted Pippa moment at the wedding. But, unlike with Smeg, I bet if you knock, somebody’s home in there. She’s very very silly but not for a second does she come off “off” or cluster b or anything but real housewives strange.

R179 u have no idea how the media works. Coverage of the royals is tabloid and pr level, not journalism. They don’t “report”, Charles has plenty of press connections and if they want access and exclusives they follow suggestions

Nutmeg has illusions of grandeur . I think she really thinks she’s a catch . Just look at Tig then you know enough . She always wanted to be a queen or princess .

R82 has the right idea. I block sugars, she's not really pregnant nutters, and any THAT'S RACIST ranters. The thread is a dream of pointless bitchery. Now the ZIKA'S SERIOUS ones go as well.

But Nutmegs fatal flaw is she doesn’t know when to fucking quit. Once she was married, she was in a power position via a vis any creditors. She should have ghosted THEM, kept her head down, made do with whatever clothing budget was provided. Played the long game. Not immediately tried to compete in the media with Kate, have no stories about how everyone liked her best, and basically acted like a nun. The long game for God’s sake. Instead she treated the BRF like it was a reality show and she blew it up. She didn’t know when to quit.

Exactly R184. Sparkle's downfall is a testament to the importance of doing your research. It's not as if there aren't a million royal bios and memoirs out there that explain in detail how the RF handles things. If she doesn't like reading, there are also dozens of documentaries.

When you block all the idiots, conspiracy fantasists, mouth breathers and no hopers, there's about three of us left.

Welcome to America, R186.

She claimed she didn’t know who Harry was r185. She either can’t read, lived on Mars or is a big, fat liar.

Going with pathological liar for the win, R188.

Everybody in the English-speaking world, and many countries where they don't speak English, know who Harry and William are. That's not just a big fat lie, it's a big fat stupid lie.

Hence how she bagged the ginger dimwit, like attracts like.

So if she didn't know who Harry was, who exactly was she trying to get close to when she got escorted out of some polo match? I read here on DL that William watched her being escorted out. Was she just lost?

I thought she was already "seeing" Harry when she was escorted off the polo field but I could be wrong. I'm not anywhere near as up on all this mess as you guys.

Back up to R110, but she dumped two men who could support her. She dumped Trevor, who is now married to a very wealthy woman - or at least a woman from a wealthy family. So he must have something to offer.

Then there's the chef, Corey. He had more status in Canada than she. Some time before the wedding I was reading an article that quoted people from L.A. and Toronto. A Toronto source said Corey was very popular and connected, and got invited to places that she, on Suits, would never have been invited. The source said someone in a minor role on a basic cable show was never someone he would have met at any of these events if Corey weren't her significant other. She wouldn't have gotten the invites. Someone in L.A. said absolutely nobody saw her coming (that she was the sort who could land a prince), was on nobody's radar, and last they saw of her she was trying to talk her way into a Golden Globes party.

So really, for a girl who had hit the end of the road, she managed to get two men who could give her a very nice life. With Corey, she could have had a Jessica Mulroney-esque life - transitioning from acting to lifestyle, building herself as an influencer to the Kardashian, real housewives, reality show types - minor celebrity but very gratifying when your lifestyle is promoting yourself on social media and basically enjoying the finer things in your town. Much free-er and less restrictive than being royal.

There are stories that yes, she was turned down by other Big Fish in Canada. Apparently the girl can't stop hunting even when she has it good. Why she wanted to hunt in the U.K. when she had Corey is a mystery to me. That seems like a really sweet deal. And now he's got a baby with someone else.

To be fair R188, she didn't say she didn't know who he WAS, just that she didn't know much (or anything) about him. So before they went further, she asked, "Is he nice? Because if he wasn't kind there wasn't any point."

I almost gagged retyping that (paraphrased) quote. That was when I went this chick doesn't know where the line is. That, and the fucking roast chicken. But I figured she was a low status L.A. actress, this was the sort of thing actresses do - this self-aggrandizing humble bragging shit, and she'd learn. She'd learn to dress, she'd learn to un-L.A. her conversational style. Little did I know!

R140 - let's take the "surrogate" issue one more time. In the UK, the woman who gives birth to the baby is considered its mother and has parental rights even if there is no genetic tie between them. The couple using the surrogate can only get parental rights, even if they are the biological parents, through the surrogate transferring her parental rights through a court order. The law forbids paying for anything but the surrogate's medical expenses and any expenses related to preparing for the baby (childbirth classes, etc.). If the surrogate changes her mind, Harry and Meghan lose the baby, AND she has to confess she's been fooling the public with padding AND that Harry and the BRF knew about the deception and foisted it off onto the British taxpayer. AND as another poster upthread pointed out, do you really think the entire Lindo Wing of St. Mary's Hospital is going to pretend that she went into labour, delivered, and the baby she's walking out with is hers? Or that the government's Office of Records and Birth Registrations will kindly take no notice of the surrogate?

There - is - no - surrogate. The deception required would put the integrity of the entire family on the line, and get Meghan booted out of the UK on the next plane.

R194 - Never let it be said that Our Sparkle would be content with Good when Great presented itself. She and Harry fudged the timeline of when they first got together so it wouldn't be abundantly clear that she dumped one catch for a better one the moment she met him.

That bullshit about the roasting chicken in September was just that: bullshit. She would never have ended her role on "Suits" and dumped Cory if she wasn't already sure of Harry, at least privately. Not to mention moving into his digs around KP.

And I haven't a doubt Sparkle goes for "kind" and "nice". It's not as if any alpha male would let her pull the crap that Harry has let her pull.

Cory was probably twice the man Harry is. But Harry has HRH in front of his name, and Windsor after it. That goes a long way to correcting certain, er, imbalances.

Except, R196, she supposedly is rejecting contact with any "Royal Doctors". So, the Lindo Wing is probably off the table as far as she is concerned too.

Perhaps she plans to give birth at home with only her mother there?

Stranger things have happened.

R146, could you expand on the story about her lying about her SAG membership.

Isn't that a big deal in that industry?

R198 - Really? Sparkle give up the chance to do what Kate and Diana did, and come down the steps smiling at the crowds and photogs? She may or may not use the same doctor, but it's not as if Pinker is the only OB-GYN man with privileges at St. Mary's. She can bring in whomever she likes, as long as he has privileges at St. Mary's. And what do you suppose the price on his licence is for collaborating in such a deception - do you think the Linod will stand for a completely non-St. Mary's staff attending Sparkle?!

And there's the Portland Hospital, as well. Unless she's planning a home birth, which no doctor alive would allow a geriatric first-time Mum attempt - they'd have to be out of their fucking minds to attempt such a deception.

Then there's the little matter of the risk of blackmail somewhere down the road.

There is no surrogate.

^Lindo, not Linod

R200

R182 - not to be too pedantic, but it's "delusions of grandeur".

And, yes, absolutely. The poster who pointed out that her persona is one part terrified insecurity bolstered by another part an exaggerated view of herself, was correct.

The difference between Meghan and Diana is that Diana already was, to a certain extent, "important" and she got more important with her marriage. So, for Diana, it was more about a bottomless need for reassurance that she existed through endless attention. Sparkle was a Nobody who used men to up her Somebody quotient - but she found when she got this far that she still wasn't the most important person in the room and her Somebody-ness is pendant upon taking orders from people higher up the food chain.

So, according the the story at R132, Andrew Parker Bowles was at the birthday party too. Cozy bunch.

I wonder what Sparkle found to talk about.

I have been following this story ever since I realized she was a crazy liar, which was not until some time before the wedding.

This may take a couple of posts:

There are fans and that is the word for them, who have been following this since she was just a rumor. The problem with the story as they tell it is Harry is completely passive and helpless throughout, and I'm not buying it. Surely the BRF has had stalkers before. Problematic types, either among the staff, among people who have interacted with them in some capacity, and in unvetted social circles like when they do muck around at Soho House. So why was Harry led by the nose (don't think it was his dick) and helpless to make this chick keep away? He wasn't. So the theory doesn't hold. My understanding is they hooked up a few times but did not "date". During the hook-ups, she started the rumor mill that they were an item, a secret romantic item, and she staged some pap photos. One of them that I saw shows her exiting a trailer presumably on the Suits set, and skulking off to an impressive looking car visible just beyond the trailers. The idiotic part of it is she's exiting all contorted, walking sideways down the steps so the camera positioned to her right can i.d. her, while the car is to her left, and who walks sideways down stairs? It was pretty amateur hour as far as pap set ups go. She had herself papped in the vicinity of Kensington Palace. And I think a famous silhouette of a bearded guy with his head ducked, carrying a duffel has he entered the back door of her house in Toronto wasn't Harry but Markus or someone. So she's pulling all this stuff, and Harry does nothing, even though the fan narrative has him not approving. She does the bananas and the bracelet.

Then supposedly she gets into a polo game because she has Ralph Lauren tickets (as she did that time at Wimbledon). The press that cooperates with her has her there as his girlfriend, even though they're not seen together, and she's wearing a navy blue high lo dress, structured white jacket over her shoulders, her hooker heels, and sunglasses. So it's presented as legit. The next day she shows up again and yes there's a pic of William looking over as what appears to be an RPO strong arms her into a car, because she showed up without a ticket.

And you know those Invictus shots where she looks deranged? Her hair is a mess, her eyes are scary, she's wearing a maroon leather jacket over a dress? There's a pic of her in what looks like some exit area or parking area, obviously hiding behind a whole bunch of RPOs or security. You can see her unmistakable stick legs and her outfit, but not her. If she's staging that because "OMG I am so famous and need protection!" it would be weird because that's the only shot and you can't see it's her. So is shes being tossed out? The "fans" think so.

Then Harry cuts it off completely (which begs the question what has he been doing this whole time - fucking her in between the times she gets thrown out of places?) and heads to Inskip's wedding, where she had been invited until they broke up (see the problem with the narrative there? Why would Inskip invite his stalker?). So she shows up uninvited, and there are those pap photos of Harry and Meg at the table, Meg with her arm slung over his shoulders talking to him intently, and also many shots of her looking extremely evil and bitch faced, particularly aimed at the catering staff, but a few aimed at female guests who greet Harry. Then other shots of the two of them looking isolated. Supposedly it was her pap.

Some point along the way of this bizarre saga, Harry and Miss Meg were close enough that Harry either had some big orgy that Meg recorded, OR Harry revealed deep dark secrets of the monarchy and Meg recorded, OR Harry ran his mouth off about his family in a way that made him sound like a shitheel, and at Invictus, Meg, Doria, Markus and Jessica presented him the fait accompli. Listen to this, sucker! Now you're getting married!

There were many European royals at Charles' party and Meghan was meeting them for the first time. Oh to be a fly on the wall to hear what they had to say about her in the car on the way home.

R185 - Sparkle has been, possibly, reined and brought up short. She's still Harry's wife and (by courtesy only until she gains UK citizenship) a royal Duchess, a member of the BRF, and on track to give Britain's Sovereign her next great-grandchild and its next Sovereign another grandchild.

It's not a downfall yet - let us say it is more like a lowering of expectations about Meghan The Marvel Who Will Save The Monarchy And Blow Kate Out Of The Water With Her Edgy Fashion Sense And Change The World With Her Feminist Activism.

Harry fans prefer to believe he ran his mouth and gave away deep dark secrets of the monarchy, and in horror, he married her to protect his family. But when these fans are asked - well, is he protecting them from criminal activity or some really bad stuff from coming out? The fans get shady and try to occupy the middle ground of 'it's info that shouldn't be out but of course it's not criminal." OR they imply that the real miscreant is Andy - HE's the evildoer and Harry revealed Andy's secrets. To buy into that we'd have to believe Harry got married to protect dear sweet Uncle Andy.

If he was messing around with her, trying to keep her as a hook up without shutting her down, and she did get info that accelerated the situation into marriage, I'm inclined to believe Harry trashed family members like Will and Kate and would look like a fucking asshole if it came out considering how they're protected his ass for years, letting him be their third muskateer. But I really think is what happened was he made that statement about the press and racism, and even though the actions he complained of turned out to be a lie, he rushed to make the statement thinking is covered him in rebellious, righteous, White Knight glory, and he couldn't back out after that.

Or, you know, he was madly in love. But since he alternately looked drugged and like he was going to throw up at his wedding, I have trouble with that one.

R203, Sparkle just talked into the air, as is her wont. Pretended people were talking to her, and pretended to react.

Home birth wouldn't work and agree she would want the glory of sashaying out of the hospital in her stilettos with her bundle and thinking she did it wayyy better than Diana and Kate.

So what's the deal then? The cupping an alternating non-existent bump and too big for 12 weeks bump on the tour was so weird and suspect.

Rather macabre to think she would fake this to setup a miscarriage just so she could bask in all the attention, sympathy and make herself untouchable as far as criticism or consequences for her other deeds.

Perhaps they sat Sparkle next to Maggie Smith at the birthday party.

If stories are true Maggie doesn't suffer fools gladly.

And I doubt they'd seat Sparkle by Princess Anne. Why spoil the party for the Princess Royal?

But Maggie Smith might enjoy getting her claws into Sparkle.

R199 I read it second hand, although apparently the interview is out there for people who want to watch. I have seen the quote "Im such a fraud!" said with a laugh by her that is apparently what she said.

I don't know what level of problem lying about your union affiliations is in the industry. I was SAG, AFTRA plus Equity eligible for awhile, getting around the Catch-22s (you know you have to have a union job to join the union (except for AFTRA at the time) and you can't join the union without a union job) by earning enough $$ annually in AFTRA to buy into SAG. And there are other opportunities that come along - you have an agent, you book a commercial, the commercial is SAG, so you get to be SAG. If you qualify for commercial work - you have that look, or you're a model or something, you get in that way.

You can always lie I guess, but at some point when you are hired you have to give your Union membership details to production and if you don't have it you're screwed. I guess Meghan counted on the old story that you lie about your union membership and by the time you're discovered you are the only one they want for the part so they just grandfather you in. Or it's too late to recast. I imagine she could fast talk her way into something like that even though she worked very little and wasn't very good.

As far as what kind of a lie it is - eh. She definitely lied more than most. Her resume is ludicrous. However, it's generally understood that whatever you can get away with that gets you hired is fair game.

Thanks, R211. I was hoping someone in the industry could explain.

Maggie Smith was there? It would have been excellent if Maggie had told her same thing the Dowager told Miss Ameilia Cruikshank:

"You're a clever little miss, aren't you? I'd feel sorry for Larry (in this case Harry), if I didn't dislike him so much."

She probably IS preggo but I've little doubt she added an embellishment of a pad during the tour to muster as much attention (and esp. fawning) as she could garner through all the visuals of a newsworthy bump.

R131 Yes, and the DM comments about Melania are very positive. A popular one is "a beautiful, classy First Lady" . A former softcore porn model/escort being called classy? Tells you something about the DM crowd and their tastes.

Oh for God's sake, Sparkle is NOT Kate or Diana. Her husband is sixth in line! Did Sophie come down the steps? Did Fergie come down the steps (maybe she did?).

THAT is her road. Not Kate and Diana's.

R216, tell that to Meggie.

The Queen makes a statement about Meghan's home state. I don't recall the Queen commenting about natural disasters in US states in the past. Did she make any comments about Katrina?

R218 - the Queen and Prince Philip usually send condolences to world leaders when there is a natural disaster, bombing, multiple killings etc...

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Fergie did come down the steps, R216 - I remember she was doing her usual gurning routine and tripped and nearly dropped the baby (not sure if it was Bea or Euge).

Well Fergie is a klutz, but she's not malevolent like Markle.

At the time Ferg's husband was 4th in line which to my math is 2 spaces closer to the throne than Haz currently occupies.

She’s pregnant.

The “bump” is ever-changing, I guess depending on her mood, but I firmly believe there’s a feeeetus in there.

I'm unsure of the pregnancy, but she's definitely wearing fake bumps

MM looked huge in the blue dress with cape at the state event in Fiji and has been smaller ever since.

Interesting headline in Radar Online.

Baby bumps can vary quite a lot depending on what you've been eating, how much you've been drinking, whether you're an active person or rather some couch potato etc

However, on the tour she defo used some padding to make sure EVERYBODY finds out about her pregnancy.

But now, despite being further along in her pregnancy, her baby bumps is basically invisible.

Not only she stole Eugenie's thunder at the latest royal wedding by unneccessarily (but deliberately) wearing maternity clothing, but she made the entire tour about her and the Second Coming she will give birth to some time next year (which is in fact, as she will give birth, about her only).

This has to be a fake baby bump, it was on the AU tour

That's a burrito bump, not a baby bump. There's probably a baby in there but the bump is all Megan fucking around.

I don't think she was eating burritos on that tour

She forgot to take her Beano that day.

I thought that I read that people in the UK tended to use surrogates outside the country to get around the law. The US and India/Asia are popular.

Friends, she is pregnant. I've always loved Datalounge not only for its pointless bitchery, but also for its relatively intelligent posters. It would be frustrating if the Dangling Tendrils threads became a magnet for celebrity pregnancy conspiracy theorists. God knows Meghan already provides plenty of genuine material for us to comment on and enjoy here.

Back on topic: R226, that's a juicy article!

[quote]An insider told The Daily Mail, “Harry and Meghan want to move, and need more space, but they don’t want to live next door to William and Catherine.” As Radar previously reported, things changed between the royal brothers after Markle, 37, married Harry, 34.

They're clearly humiliated by and angry about the BRF's rejection of them, and trying to get out ahead of this news by spinning it as, "We don't WANT to live in the 21-room apartment that adjoins that of the future King of England, anyway!" Classic sour grapes.

R209 - baby bumps in the earlier trimester until about 6 months are extremely easy to minimise or enhance with fashion. The idea that she's not really pregnant because her bump looked different in different clothes is just not enough to make assumptions. There's no surrogate, there's no deception, she was constantly cradling her bump to get attention deflected to herself. It was that or hang on a sign around her neck in medieval calligraphy that said, "LOOK! I'M PREGNANT! ME! MEGHAN MARKLE! I'M PREGNANT! HOW COOL IS THAT?!"

There's no conspiracy, there's no surrogacy, there's no pillow baby. There's a real baby in there because that's the only way Meghan can really nail Harry and the BRF to the wall and make it impossible for them to giver her the shove any time soon.

Her bump is as wonky as if she were Beyonce. Stop trying to hall monitor.

Surely some guesses could be made re the falling out she had with her handsy BFF? Did Markus offer their company at Soho as a sexy pair? Their friendliness was played up for photos, what about in person?

R219 You are correct -

[quote]Friends, she is pregnant. I've always loved Datalounge not only for its pointless bitchery, but also for its relatively intelligent posters. It would be frustrating if the Dangling Tendrils threads became a magnet for celebrity pregnancy conspiracy theorists

We've passed that point of no return. Recall too she is a former prostitute, Soho House and or J-assica Mattelny has loaned her hundreds of thousands of pounds and now want it back, he's gay and maybe she's gay and one or both of them in shooting smack. Largely based on compelling evidence starting with 'I feel...' or that oxyiest of all morons 'I think...'

With the Royals, you always have to look at what they do, not what they say, because they often say nothing. But they've been doing plenty since Meghan returned from the tour: not denying the Tiaragate stories, giving her ex-assistant a glowing recommendation in the press, keeping Meghan from prominent positions on the balconies or at Royal Albert Hall, and keeping the Gloucesters in that big apartment at Kensington Palace. That says it all about the level of approval for the marriage and for Meghan herself right now.

They broke the Queen's rule that anyone in the family has to be dating someone for five years before they can marry. If they had kept to it they wouldn't be in this mess.

I know, I know, her biological gravy train was going tick tick tick. She couldn't wait five years. I still think she played him with "rescue me from xxx, no don't, no do, no don't, and remember I'm so strong and supportive of you."

He married his mother. He did come to see his mother (at least in part) for the way she really was, not the fantasy of perfection. He still adores her and was deeply wounded by her death but he's not quite as dumb as he comes across sometimes. Imo.

One thing I have learned is that at either end of the affection spectrum around this broad, love or loathe, the population is stupid, bonkers or some combination thereof. I love snark, I love observation based on fact, I love reality, where I dwell 99% of the time. Sorry this topic is now largely anti-fan fic. It reminds me of the Madeleine McCann boards back in the day where people conjured up notions like the child's remains were cremated in a volcano - or smuggled into a pet crematorium inside a dead dog. And they debated it, for years, as if it were true. And to them it was true. (Given those how those morons behaved they probably still think it is true.)

It's so depressing when you realize how much stupid there is out there, wandering unsupervised.

R239 is indicative of a good post in my view: reasoned conclusions based on credible facts.

R240, on the other hand, announces 'They broke the Queen's rule that anyone in the family has to be dating someone for five years before they can marry.' Which... doesn't Google. It's made up shit that stupid people will potentially debate as fact for hours.

Good heavens! I certainly didn't make the Queen's five year rule thing up. I read it somewhere. Probably a newspaper since I read a lot of regular (non-royals) news. Sorry I've upset you.

R238, we don’t have any PROOF that she is a prositute. But she is no stranger to a little... quid pro quo.

Could we at least keep the stupid Not Pregnant conspiracy theory out of this thread . It's not cute and also not new since the same shit was claimed during all of Kate's pregnancies too .

FWIW I personally am not saying she's not pregnant. I am saying IDK because the bump has gotten seriously deflated since Australia. And that couldn't have been a "burrito bump" since she was there to have dinner - it was a dinner party and she had just come dow the stairs.

So, my conclusion is, IDK.

R243, I thought I read that the rule is that a couple has to be together for five years before moving into KP. (It's been pointed out that William and Catherine weren't given an apartment there until after George was born. Eugenie lives there with her new husband, but they've dated about 7 years.

Meghan pretty much had to move into Harry's cottage at KP because she had nowhere else to go. But apparently they're not living in the cottage now. Why would they move out of the cottage? Even if they're mad at the family, it would be pretty foolish to leave behind FREE housing right in the heart of London.

She looks pregnant. Bloated and weird looking.

My sisters nose got very broad and flat during pregnancy. Meggers is gonna hate that.

Not leaving Not Cot is the latest story

I agree she's pregnant. She's obsessed with Diana, and she wants Diana's grand baby to grow inside her body. And it's KILLING her that she can't post those obnoxious "X weeks along" belly pics on social media.

Her next plan is to look amazing a few weeks after delivering the baby. (Kate made lots of headlines for this.) While she won't be able to post her unctuous recipes and exercise pics on social media, she's saving them for her book.

Where did all these not-pregnant celebrity conspiracy theories come from, anyway? It seems like anytime a pregnant star doesn't show us her naked belly these days, people start saying it's fake.

Meghan is absolutely pregnant: She looks pregnant, and being so short, she's going to blow up like a balloon over the next couple of months.

KP hasn't been free housing for several years now. You have to pay going market rates. HM supposedly covers all or part that herself, though, for her close relatives living there.

Looks like Meghan and Harry took the warning shot over the bow seriously, and are backpedaling on the flounce from KP as fast as they can. Perhaps they have two brain cells between them, after all.

R239 - Exactly - they operate in code - nothing is said, but everyone understands the gestures.

Abusing staff is considered gauche. It's the kind of thing an arriviste does. It's also dangerous. I'm sure Mehgan was expecting a heroine's welcome when she returned from that tour. Whoever leaked Tiara Gate the moment she got back has exquisite timing.

They keep trying to get in front of stories that otherwise would have begged questions. They're turning down titles because they want their children to have normal lives (translation: they've been told there isn't going to be an HRH for this baby). They don't really want to live next door to William and Kate (translation: no big Apt 1 in Kensington Palace, they have to downgrade). The back row at the Albert Hall for the remembrance concert, speaks for itself, seated, ironically, right behind Prince Andrew, whom they are both probably fairly sure leaked Tiara Gate in payment for Meghan's maternity coat stunt at his daughter's wedding., and the second row in the Remembrance Service.

And, no appearance at Balmoral this summer. HM did her obligatory appearance with Sparkle shortly after the wedding (Meghan minus a hat) and put a good face on it.

Now the real rot is setting in.

R243, you didn't upset me, although I freely admit to be driven nuts by some of the drivel and lunacy on this thread that get discussed as if it were true. (And no, dreamt up, fantastical speculation is NOT gossip before some great mind tries to argue so and no one with a brain and reasonable standards would so agree.). Fair enough that you believe in good faith you've read it. I read a ton on these people too, for my own reasons, and have never read such that I recall. I would go further to argue that it seems highly out of character, given her hands off nature (in the extreme, see her utter indulgence of the awful Prince Andrew) and her increasing devolution of matters to Prince Charles (reasonably likely, one assumes, when it comes to his own family outside the heir.). If you think you've read it, I accept that although I doubt it... the whole reasonable discussion thing is gummed up by all these swivel eyed loons who see prostitutes and heroin beneath every tiara.

R248, that happened to a friend of mine. Who was half Filipina and she was beside herself. She was very petite, though, and was back to her skinny self in a week.

Weird things happen during pregnancy. I worked with a very plain woman and she turned gorgeous during her pregnancy. Her hair got all thick and shiny and bouncy and her eyes sparkled and her lips went full and her skin glowed. She was practically unrecognizable. And she went back to plain oatmeal when the kid was born.

To be fair to R243, I remember reading about the five-year rule, too.

My "burrito" comment didn't say I thought she wasn't pregnant. I think she IS pregnant, just not showing much. Her fuckery was bloating herself or just sticking out her belly to get attention for it early. Sometimes it looks bigger than other times is, I think, the origin of the "fake baby" stories. I don't think they're true, I just think that's where they come from.

I think she took whatever fertility drugs she could get and made sure that she got pregnant right away. That's the whole point of marrying the poor boy. But hey, he went for it so he can deal with it.

[quote] Her fuckery was bloating herself or just sticking out her belly to get attention for it early.

You can see that in the blue dress photo from Oz. She's leaning so far back she's in a yoga pose. Helpful for exaggerating pregnancy, I guess.

Let's say she is pregnant. But would she be using lip plumpers if she was? Would she be using the Brazilian blow out & or Keratin if she was? Because all of those companies say do not do it while pregnant. Also she dyed the grey out of her hair again. Most dark dyes are sereiously toxic. She also did botox or restylane before she made the announcement as well. Pregnant ladies aren't supposed to be doing all those chemicals.

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No idea, R261, I don't use any of that stuff.

Bad link R262 -it doesn't go to a page or article, just plays a video.

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Well, Nott Cott is a quite pretty place and lots of people with one child live in a 2BR flat. Of course, where does the nanny bunk? But this way, Meghan stays close to the action in London, her address is still Kensington Palace, and somewhere out in the wilds of Oxfordshire she can pretend to be a Home Counties girl herself and let the dust settle.

On DL, DM links are automatically directed to videos. To see an ARTICLE, you need to go to the settings wheel on DL, for EACH article and uncheck link preview. When you go back and click on the link, the article will pop up.

It's not the DM. It's Datalounge. Web pages with embedded video don't link properly on DL.

You can go into your settings and chose not to display linked pages or you can type the title or key words into google followed by "daily mail."

R267, I think the Cambridges lived there, with 2BR, until George was 2 or 3.

The nanny could stay elsewhere in KP. It has a lot of staff quarters.

DM article is titled Getting up at 5am, bombarding aides with texts and her eyebrow-raising fashion: Palace insiders reveal how Hurricane Meghan is shaking up the Royals six months after the wedding, it's on the main page.

Clearly, R196, the fucking surrogate would in advance have waived her rights for a hefty $$$ and more to come once the baby was handed over. She ain't fucking Kate, she's not having the baby in the goddamn Lindo wing. That's why we're hearing all the hypno birth shit and no royal gynos - she's setting it up so there's very few outsiders who will be witnesses; she'll do her at home L.A. style birth thing, and everyone will sweep any irregulatories under the rug. There are people here delusional enough to believe that the BRF and others would immediately blow the whistle on irregularities or fakery. No, rules are bent, people don't want the publicity and trouble, don't want to be involved, and look the other way.

That's if there's no baby. But, to me, a surrogate is too much fucking trouble and way too expensive for these two.

So I fall back on - there's no baby, and she's gonna have some kind of unfortunate miscarriage soon. I mean, she keeps pushing the due date further out - now it's May! Which makes her bump antics even more absurd, but sooner or later, miscarriage. It doesn't matter if it's bullshit and the BRF knows it's bullshit and the MEDIA knows it's bullshit - stop thinking the media thinks its job is to inform us. The media thinks its job is to make $$ and suck up to the famous so those who work in media can become famous themselves.

And the other is, she went IVF months ago (another thing Mulroney probably paid for). Someone I know (virtually) claims she looked very IVF a couple of months after the wedding - just the sort of wreck she looked was a very specific I'm having IVF type look. Does Harry care? NO. She's handling it, he does nothing, and most importantly, all the drama continues to be around him. So she's pregnant but it's a grain of rice but she's dramatizing things with padding.

The one thing I don't believe is that she's pregnant from her and Harry having traditional sex.

Megsy has her minions at work, and today there are articles saying she is about to have the most important royal baby in YEARS, that her security has to be tripled, blah blah blah. Meantime, the BRF is booting them to the country, or at least, revoking Harry's Nott Cot rights. Love you son, but you are Soho Farmhouse's problem now.

No, it's not actually necessary to change my settings for every Daily Mail article with video nor to change the settings to turn off the links. Most are linking exactly as they have always normally linked here for 20 years. Some are like the one just above (several times - and thank you for trying so hard). Why that one won't work I couldn't tell you.

In any event, I'm certainly not going to change my settings. If it's interesting enough I'm sure I can find it.

R241, that was one of the more insightful comments I've read on DL. If there were an extra-strength Wit & Wisdom to give you, I'd give it.

I've never used DL's block button before, for two reasons: First, and most important, I think that the desire to be shielded from anything we don't want to see/read/hear is part of what's destroying public discourse in the United States. I don't want to have everything "curated" for me; I want access to the full conversation that is happening on a particular topic, even if I find it distressing or angering. As tempting as it is to hit a button and make someone disappear, I think it's a bad habit to develop. Second, on the off chance that a troll says something interesting, I don't want to be left out. Having said that, I may make an exception for the more extreme Dangling Tendrils conspiracy theorists. Their posts are generally not well-written, anyway, so I doubt I would be missing much.

Thanks R272, I'll have a look.

R261, let's say she's pregnant, it's early days despite her Madonna grandstanding, and she's dismissing the dangers of botox, injections, chemical peels, and all the shit she clearly had after the tour and before the Remembrance events. Who cares, it's all overblown, our grandparents smoked and drank while pregnant with our parents as did generations before them and everything was fine. It's all silly! As for the hair and the hair color - clearly she uses weaves. I've seen pictures of her with her natural hair from the days she colored it sort of reddish - not very thick, very fine, not THIN, but without the flat iron and product, pretty wispy. This was ten years ago. Now she has what hair remains on her head braided and the weave is sewn in. You can see the demarcation at her temples. So it doesn't matter cause it's fake hair.

Meghan moved into Soho Farmhouse in the Cotswolds, not Harry's cottage.

R278 You mean converted cow shed .

Skippy has a screenshot of the entire 5am article on sparkle, for anyone who wants to read but doesn't want to visit the DM site.

R277 TY, you sound like you have some hairdresser type info on what is going on with that hair/wig/weave because I surely don't understand it.

The article at r266 is throwing some major shade. She made a huge misstep when she threatened the press before anyone had ever even heard of her. It ensured negative coverage.

R273 - And what else should be fucking clear to you is that if a surrogate waived her parental rights for a hefty sum, she AND the people who paid her are breaking UK laws. And what else should be fucking clear is that a surrogate who is willing to do that and break those laws probably isn't the cleanest potato in the sack, and the issue of milking the couple for a bit more becomes more likely. Waivers of parental rights HAVE TO BE FILED IN COURT - even fucking change of title on a car has to be filed. What makes you think this could all be done behind the scenes? What makes you think Harry would go for it?

Princess Anne was way down the line of succession and went to St. Mary's and so did Fergie. It's where the royal ladies go. Sparkle would never pass up the chance for the photo op so she can prove that anything Kate can do, Meghan can do, too.

And lastly, as some people keep pointing out, she has to take that baby home from somehwere, and the more people you involve in a plot, the more vulnerable you are. The idea that she is using padding to persuade the BRF she's pregnant when she's not has, zero, and I mean ZERO possibility - their announcement said very clearly that the DUCHESS is expecting a baby in the spring.

They can use a surrogate and be upfront about it, but using a surrogate whilst using padding to pretend she is pregnant is quite possibly the single stupidest thing these two morons could do.

And no one has given one damn good reason why they should when it's hardly beyond the reach of possibility that the fucking woman, like 37 year old women the world over - just got fucking pregnant.

Why the FUCK would they take chances like that?!

Going on about security sounds familiar from Bey and her collapsing belly, linked above. Just saying. Think they cleared out a large hospital space for their shenanigans. So, there is precedent.

If there is a hypothetical surrogate, what if she is not British and a contract was executed outside the UK? A lot of family court records are sealed. It is not impossible.

Why do it, if true? No idea. But the lack of fear of Zika, the facial work she had done recently, possibly using at least benzos, would all be more typical of someone NOT knocked up. That and precedents like Bey are what make people wonder. With Sparky, who knows? Chick is mental. She think we all BUY her BS, so who knows what she is capable of?

I think she is going to really decompensate under additional pressure and with a public downgrading in role. Diana threw herself down stairs while pregnant. Hope Megsy is more stable.

R272, there's a lot to unpack in that article. I'm curious to hear what other posters make of it.

I'll start with this:

[quote]Six or seven a day – that’s the number of texts the new Duchess of Sussex sends to palace aides with ideas and requests. She’s an early riser, up at 5am rain or shine, and it is said palace staff have never experienced anything remotely like Meghan’s formidable work ethic, matched only by the incessant stream of ideas about how to shape her role. Quite aside from her publicised engagements, Meghan has been conducting a series of ‘undercover’ missions to meet the British people, particularly those associated with good causes.

Consumed as she is by her own image, it would not surprise me if Meghan were an incessant texter, and generally glued to her phone. I know the type: They're the ones who can't go on a first date, or have coffee with a good friend, without constantly glancing down, or texting "discreetly" in their laps.

The early rising is also interesting. In my experience, people like this are often staid and pragmatic ― the opposite of dramatic. How do the rest of you think this fits with Meghan's personality profile?

R283. I can see you are hellbent on proving she is pregnant and I hope she thank you for your support. some of us are just skeptical due to the ever appearing and disappearing baby bump. She was basically pulling a Beyonce.

I'm not one of the surrogate people however, it's pretty obvious that the geriatric pregnant ladies like Janet, Mariah & Halle all have been pregnant but with someone else's eggs.

R285 well she had to rise that early to be on the Suits set.

R287 - She's 37, not 47. 37 year old women get pregnant every damn day of the week. If she has not gone into early menopause and she's perfectly healthy, there is no reason she wouldn't be pregnant.

I just do not get the obsession with the surrogate theory. As I said, if they want to be upfront about it, fine. But pretending to be pregnant and really supposing they can pull this over the BRF?! What on earth FOR? What on earth would be the advantage in taking chances like that instead of just having the damn baby yourself?! Where is the fucking advantage in concocting an elaborate deception that would get you on the next plane out of the UK, involves corrupting medical personnel, and gives half a dozen people something on you? No one has pointed out the slightest advantage in such a plot.

Emma McQuiston, the current Countess of Weymouth and the future first mixed race Marquess of Batn, used a surrogate for her second child citing medical reasons. She and her husband were quite open about it.

And lastly, harvesting eggs for implantation in someone else is a painful process. Why in God's name would anyone who could get pregnant use a fucking surrogate?

^Marquess of Bath

Oh please R483, because nobody would out them. You are naive. Do you know how much shit is hidden already?

Probably for the same reasons as Beyonce, IF that is what is going on. Remember the contract with the ex-hubs?

More will become clear in time.

For those who keep poo-pooing the use of benzos by a pregnant woman, look it up. That she looks blasted frequently is also something that has people side-eyeing.

She could well be pregnant. But I would not trust her saying the sky is blue.

Gee, if she's lying, what do you think the risks are?

That's for R292. I want her to reason it through.

That Hurricane Meghan article, in the end, is pulling its punches. While she gets up early, blah blah, the context is she's a go getter with a great work ethic, full of ideas, particularly for charities.

As someone pointed out, she may be extremely driven, but like many narcs, she's also half-assed. Do and try a million things, none of them well. How she dresses reflects this. A million different outfits, all poorly executed and the total look half thought through.

The Hurricane Meghan article also claims yet again that Prince Charles is her champion. Clearly then, it is Prince Charles behind their demotion and they are hoping kissing ass will reverse their fortunes. Will may be behind the idea to separate himself and Kate from Harry and Meghan, but it had to be authorized by Prince Charles. It says to me that between William and Charles, William is resolute and, while Charles may be equally resolute, they KNOW they have no shot with William. Prince Charles did not acknowledge nor bid farewell to his daughter-in-law at this past spring's garden party when his son was informed it was time for him and his bride to leave. At Eugenie's wedding, Charles picked up the pace and hustled away from Harry and Sparkle as they neared a camera outside. And certainly Charles would have intervened if he felt the seating at Albert Hall was beneath Harry and Meg's dignity - instead they were behind freaking Andrew and it was okay with him.

As to the pregnancy - agreed, Megs can't be trusted to say the sky is blue. She is capable of any lie, and any deception, spin the fallout later. It doesn't matter what trouble she is heading towards - that's in the future, the present is what matters.

Not all surrogacy involves waivers of parental rights, depending on the location. I would have thought that more gay men on this board might know people who had used one. IF, and it is a big, a surrogate is carrying, then the fetus would have been created from the egg and sperm of the couple. Depending on what country, that may legally give the surrogate NO parental rights at all. People are trying to make it seem impossible, but it is not.

More data points are needed but there is a lot that seems off for a pregnant woman. Or, she could just not give a shit about the safety of the spawn.

R294, I've just blocked the fake pregnancy lunatics, and the quality of writing and reasoning on the thread has improved. I recommended ignoring them.

Sorry, that should be "recommend."

One of the most interesting things in the article to me was

"Quite aside from her publicised engagements, Meghan has been conducting a series of ‘undercover’ missions to meet the British people."

What??? Is that coded? Is that a shot across her bow? Are they letting her know that they know she's already fucking around on Harry?

R291 - The woman is making enemies left and right and you think no one would out her? Someone just outed her on abusive behaviour toward staff and Tiara Gate, because she doesn't have a cue how to handle herself in these waters. The Queen has borne four children, Kate three, Anne two, Sophie Wessex two - you really, really think they wouldn't notice something wrong? Remember Diana and Andrew Morton?

And I'm still waiting for someone to give me one damn good WHY they would use a surrogate? She's under 40, not an old crone.

This is just conspiracy bullshit. And no one seems to have asked himself why Harry would agree to a deception like this over his family AND the UK public.

And don't reiterate that "no one would out them". Regretfully in some ways, it's not 1955 anymore. The DM would out them in a heartbeat and so would so would some of the spiteful enemies she's made amongst the Yorks, Cambridges, and staff.

Thx, r297.... good advice (and done.)

If the stories are true that neither Meghan nor Harry can have bio kids (nothing to do with age - just whatever caused her infertility and some sort of operation for his), then a surrogate is a given. But this marriage is just shady. Anyone who saw the wedding knows it. What a story there!

Seems like DimWit got his own version of Angelina Jolie, we should call her Meghangie.

How many kids and years before DimWit pulls a Brad Pitt and urinates on airport tarmac before trying to take off in an airport fuel truck...?

I guess the other thing to be done is F&F the surrogates.

Cheers, R301! I'm wondering if they might clear their cookies and return, but I think that, at this point, I can recognize them by their syntax, punctuation, and vocabulary. And, R304, I try to reserve the F&F button for racists and homophobes, but I can understand why you'd want to use it in this situation, as well. The surrogacy people do seem to fit under the "freak" umbrella.

Back to the article:

R299, I saw that part, and assumed that it referred to Meghan's continued attempts to craft an image for herself by becoming involved with charitable efforts. I can't imagine someone having affairs so early into a strategic marriage. And she doesn't strike me as someone who is at all motivated by sex.

Ok, figure I'd pass on more tumblr "anon" drops. This one is old, from an anon called "London PR" whose firm met with Meghan and an (unnamed) rep prior to the wedding. For context, this anon said that arranged marriages including surrogate pregnancies and contracts for same are very common and are handled by PR firms (I remember 30 Rock satirized this and 30 Rock always takes the piss out of shit that's real. Fake relationships and pregnancies among celebrities are common).

Anyway, when Meghan met with them there were no marriage contract or surrogate discussions, just a PR strategy she and her rep had in mind and London PR's firm was invited to create a proposal after the discussion. They stated that they envisioned a year long strategy as she got her sea legs as a royal. Contact information for others on her team included not just her dad, but also Samantha Markle (although there was less contact info and involvement from Samantha). Also of course Jessica Mulroney. Can't recall if Markus Anderson/Soho House was involved.

The most notable thing was her obsession with youth and belief she had appeal to a young demographic. Definitely Diana 2.0 came up, with complete obliviousness that Diana was 19 at her engagement and Meghan would soon be older than Diana was when she died. But Meghan wanted to be Diana 2.0 with a special appeal to a young demo.

Anyhow, that's it. That firm did not get Meghan's custom although they would have been delighted to have it.

Essentially Meghan saw herself as appealing to the 18-24 demographic, particularly in the US, and wanted a PR strategy that would promote that.

Interesting, R302. But if she is infertile, why the contract with the prior husband? Cannot recall if it was hubs 1 or hubs 2, but it was not hubs 3. Any more detail known?

If she thinks she appeals to teens, that would explain the non-stop pawing at each other as though they are in HS.

I actually think any of the three scenarios are possible given who the players are esp Megtungsten.

Could she be pregnant? Yes and all the bump cradling and various size bumps are just her need for immediate gratification (can't wait til there actually is a bump after 12 weeks) and her thirst to retain the spotlight at all times.

Could there be a surrogate? Sure, no line of succession concerns and reason could be anything from her medical, his medical or her not wanting to ruin her body. Where is surrogate? How about Canada, didn't she take a trip there whilst sipping peppermint tea on the plane and being oh so nice to Flight Attendants? If Beyonce can make it happen so can she. Do the BRF know? IDK.

Could she not be pregnant and no surrogate? Sure. The outpouring of sympathy from a miscarriage would probably keep her in the spotlight more so than even a pregnancy and no pesky 6 month maternity leave requiring her to disappear from her coveted spotlight. The sympathy card would deflect from any of her misdeeds and BRF would have to back off with any punishments for her misdeeds so she can recuperate and get pregnant "again" next year, they wouldn't want to upset her in her grief.

Anything is possible with people this rich and so many resources at their disposal. I'm speculating for entertainment just as I do about what's going to happen next on General Hospital, lol. This woman and her family are if nothing else - entertainment.

R308, Harry has always been described as extremely young for his age, and his girlfriends the same.

Look at Meghan's style- or attempted style. Sex kitten. Ingenue. She's 37! But she's borrowing body language from kittenish show biz 20somethings. Like most narcs, she's in arrested development.

R306, where are you reading this stuff?

[quote] William and Kate were also in attendance as you can see in the pics (Kate recycling a gorgeous red dress) and the "fab 4" didn't pose for a single photo together even all being at the same place. Even though they posed with the same people being honored. Man things are getting frostier between the couples.

You do not know this and are just making shit up. These 3 pictures were leaked by the guy in the picture. He's the only one who leaked any pics. That doesn't mean the couples didn't interact or weren't in other pictures together. Just that they weren't together in these 3 pics that were leaked by one person

R302 - Except that those stories haven't the slightest basis in reality there isn't the slightest proof, they are coming out of the same conspiracy bullshit as the surrogate, the imminent divorce, the illegality of the marriage, and all the rest of it.

Exactly HOW would ANYONE know that neiither Harry nor Meghan can have biological children?!

R306 I was just about to post that part of why these threads are frustrating is that some people here don't understand how crazy tumblr is. Which understandable if you've never looked at any fandom on tumblr before. Tumblr fandom always starts off with reasonable gossip but then inevitably some blogs start getting 'insiders' and start spewing stuff just to get attention and keep the followers they have. Some of the craziest celebrity conspiracies have originated on there and some of the crazier stuff here seems to be tumblr stuff. You have to be careful with it because they way it works is that without realising it if you keep looking at certain blogs they'll gradually pull you more into their conspiracies.

In addition to Tumblr, there are the Bey videos.

[quote] Could there be a surrogate?

Yes, but do you really think Meghan could count on Prince Harry to be smart enough to be able to hide that fact forever?

The Royal Family need to be very careful. Harry is easily manipulated by his wife and he's worth at least 30 million (maybe more). He can easily break away from the family and live a very nice lifestyle as a private citizen. He'd also be free to openly benefit $$$ from being a former member of the royal family

You don't even tell your own brother? How bizarre.

The British taxpayers spent over $6.5 million for Kate and William's lavish remodeling at their KP apartment.

R317: I am sure Duchess Megs FORBADE Harry to tell William (or anyone else) about the pregnancy, and Prince Dim listened, since he is her puppet.

The article doesn't call it lavish, R318, so why do you?

One of the cost drivers of a place like that is it will be a listed building, so you don't just run to Home Depot for new windows.

R306 - Harry lives off the income of the trust that Diana left him; that $30 million isn't liquid assets. His real annual income is about 400,000 quid and he has to pay for the upkeep of his household and staff, his cars, his polo ponies, etc., and whatever his father gives him to supplement that. He's not nearly as rich as Sparkle probably assumed he was.

R320 Are you serious? $6.5 million for renovations on an apartment that was well-kept?? Yes for the average British taxpayer, in the age of austerity, this is an outrageous price to pay for such a pampered couple.

I will emphasize IN A TIME OF AUSTERITY when children are not receiving lunches at school and the NHS is imploding.

"Based on the Office for National Statistics’s (ONS’s) Living Costs and Food Survey, the UK median disposable household income was £27,300 in the financial year ending (FYE) 2017,"

Somebodies are way too worried about the fake pregnancy whispering, which in turn makes my ears perk up. I put nothing past a narc, NOTHING. Just looking forward to more bad clothes and bad moves by the duke and duchess of Stupid.

Wondering why that Us Weekly story came out now?

To detract from her leaking the photos?

You noticed that too, R323?

Harry also received a trust fund from the Queen Mum. From a 2002 Guardian article:

[quote]Of the trust fund, William and Harry are likely to share about £6m at the age of 21 - the bulk going to the younger son apparently to compensate for not becoming sovereign - and a further £8m when they reach 40.

If the 8 or so million of the trust fund which is probably Harry's has been invested for him since 1994 (when the trust fund was created), that also adds up to substantial cash. Even at only 7% compounding interest over 30 years (until Harry is 40, when the trust becomes fully his), that's something like 60 million pounds.

R316, and others:

Do you think that Harry might actually leave the royal family and live as a private citizen? I used to think that he would never consider it, as he enjoyed his privilege too much. Furthermore, his wife married him for his status in that family.

But, as an alternative to living an uneventful life in the country and being permanently excluded from the inner circle, perhaps it is becoming a more attractive option, both to him and to Meghan. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost hope that they will take this path. I think it would be best both for the Sussexes, who are clearly ill-suited to a life of discretion and service, and for the rest of the royal family.

You're saying it's the full Wallis-and-Edward scenario, then?

I suppose anything is possible, but Harry doesn't have to renounce his title to live a more private life. He'd have to get off the public teat, though, and actually use the several trust funds that are apparently at his disposal.

[quote]Are you serious? $6.5 million for renovations on an apartment that was well-kept??

I am serious. You don't know that it was well kept. In all likelihood, probably just the opposite. They haven't even kept up Buckingham Palace. Some of the guts of that place (electrical, plumbing) haven't been touched since the 1950s. Princess Margaret had moved into it in the early 60s. It is reasonable to assume in fifty years a building with a couple of hundred years behind it has in fact suffered age and neglect. I don't know whether it was good money or bad compared to the state of the health care system or schools but knowing what it cost to renovate my old, thousand square foot house, 6.5 million seems likely to me.

R327 If they have the money I think they will bolt. The BRF is a tanking enterprise and is bound to become obsolete in the next 10 - 20 years.

Harry and Meghan are smart if they lift anchor and move to the Hollywood Hills and make money of of Instagram, event attending and lifestyle websites. Harry has made it clear that he doesn't want to continue in the "royal lifestyle" of waving and giving brief, meaningless speeches. The Republican movement is gaining strength and power and once HM dies, it is likely that the RF will become insignificant. Really, who can seriously bow to a man who slept with his mistress while recently married and who said he wanted to be her tampon. Preposterous, indeed.

Um, yeah, there's no surrogate. She's just been bumpfamewhoring.

That article is a hell of a thing. Shade!

She's up at 5:00am and sending six or seven texts a day with all her "ideas" about "shaping her role?" One - barf. Two, what a cunt. These are staff that she and Harry still share with William and Kate (for the moment) right? And she thinks this is what they want to devote a major portion of every work day to doing? Or that they have time for that? No wonder they're losing people sooner rather than later.

Also, she thinks her demographic is18-24? On what planet? She's a 37 year old divorced actress retired from a game show and a third-tier cable drama, having a kid with her royal husband, also in his 30's. It explains the constantly messy hair, bare arms/legs, too short hems, stiletto heels, wearing black, and the makeup suited for someone who's in college or working in a bar. She's delusional about her own middle-ish age and how far she can shape other people's perception of it.

And this "connecting with people involved in charities" thing (I'm paraphrasing), what does that mean do you think? Is she connecting with the high donors, the society/professional board members and celebrity chairs? More social climbing/networking or is she attempting to connect with the people who are benefiting from the charities?

Oh, and one more thing. My god this woman is practically Trumpian in the amount of shit to talk about that she creates in a week. The dyes/botox/fillers/chemicals/whatevers - is it possible that she's using more natural and fetus-safe alternatives to the things she usually uses? Are there such things? I know she could use henna or vegetable dye for the grey in her hair, I don't know about the lip plumping or wrinkle filling.

R274 You're a sand-filled cunt, aren't you? If the page has an embedded video, the link won't work properly with certain setting on the DL. That's how it's been ever since the DM started to embed videos. R269 Is right and was simply offering advice for how to get the links to sites with embedded videos to work.

But as you said, change nothing and fuck off.

There are lip-plumping lipsticks and tricks with lip liner and gloss that you can do, and her face is probably filling out due to the pregnancy.

That might actually be a good move for them, R330, as long as they really broke away and put in the work to build a successful brand. I don't know if Meghan has that kind of work ethic, though. Harry certainly doesn't, but he does have the money to bankroll the operation.

[quote] I thought I read that the rule is that a couple has to be together for five years before moving into KP. (It's been pointed out that William and Catherine weren't given an apartment there until after George was born. Eugenie lives there with her new husband, but they've dated about 7 years

That's all bullshit. Charles and Diana moved in when they got back from their honeymoon. So did Prince and Princess Michael. The only reasons Kate and William didn't move in was because 1. William was working in Wales. 2. When they moved back to England, they preferred to live in their country house. 3. They only moved to London because Prince George was going to go to school in London and they were going to pick up more royal duties as the Queen cuts down on hers. 4. It took over a year to remodel and update Princess Margaret's apartment

If they weren't taking over more royal duties they would still be living in their country house. Kate and William prefer the country and if anyone cares to remember they don't really like making appearances. Kate would be very happy just being a housewife. They earned their former nicknames, Can Not and Will Not because they did very little. Half the country used to think Kate was "work shy"

Sorry to go a bit OT from the Tendrils aka Megsy topic, but have these two royal fam pics been seen here yet? This one of Charles and baby Louis is adorable.

And this one! Baby Lou grabbing Grandpa's nose. Haz & Bean think it's cute. Char looks stoic and bored.

The five-year rule was made after the Charles and Di meltdown. It was made BECAUSE of the meltdown.

So much for the speculation on here that Louis was hidden away due to Down Syndrome or some other issue.

The photos are cute. Charlotte reacting like a typical middle child is priceless. Thanks for posting.

Charlotte has the status of only daughter, anyway. If Kate has another baby and it's a girl, Princess Char's nose really will be out of joint.

Louis is adorable, and is going to look just like his mama.

I have a weird feeling that Megs and Harry's baby will be a redhead.

Wise rule, R338, but not followed in this instance.

One thing - people who are all "She'd have to be crazy" (to do such and such) - she IS crazy. Open your eyes. Look at the wedding. Look at the clothes. And for God's sake, look at the tour. I consider the tour to be launched with her stunt at Eugenie's wedding. She is fucking crazy. The premise that she's NOT crazy is empty. She's crazy.

One does wonder why it wasn't followed in Megs and Harry's case, if such a rule indeed exists, R341. One possible explanation is that Meghan moving into Harry's bachelor cottage is seen differently from Harry and Meghan being given a big apartment as a couple. The latter implies an acceptance of and investment in the marriage that that RF might not be willing to make yet.

I recently watched a documentary on the Royal jewelry collection, and one talking head noted that Fergie and Diana received comparatively few of the big historical jewels, either as loaners or gifts, during their time as Royal spouses. She theorized that the RF knew the marriages might not last the distance, so the really good rocks were withheld for '10th anniversaries or 20th anniversaries.'

When you're part of a 1000-year tradition, you can take a wait-and-see approach, whether it's with tiaras or with 21-room apartments. I'm guessing the KP 5-year rule was made to keep Royal divorcees out of the really good housing. It would be one thing to have a divorced Duchess skulking about 2 BR NotCot, and quite another to have her ensconced in Apt. 1 right next to the future King and Queen.

For all the analysis of Meghan, she is basic. I bet there are a lot of girls like her in L.A., only they didn't marry royal. Siphoned off their family's resources, cute enough to get only so far in the industry, and when they're about to age out they yacht a bit and settle down with a Corey or a Trevor. If they aim for a billionaire and miss (pretend Meghan's Harry hunt didn't pan out, even though he's no billionaire), they retrench, find another cute well off enough dude, and settle.

The key here is Harry. As has been said before, Meghan would never have had the opportunity to even say hi to William. She's too ridiculous. Eugenie and the York girls maybe, since they frequented Soho house. Harry. What is Harry's problem. Yes, he's a dimwit. But he went from the daughter of a fabulously wealthy Zimbabwean rancher to the daughter of aristos with connections to the Bransons to the Z list. Why did HE drop down? Because that's the story. His stock dropped to where he had to bottom feed. What are the royals hiding about him?

[quote]...the Duke of Gloucester and his wife Birgitte, are said to want to stay put – and there’s talk of Harry and Meghan moving further afield to St James’s Palace. Meanwhile, there is talk there have been tensions between the two couples behind the scenes – and in particular between Meghan and Kate. Malicious gossip? Very possibly. What female friendship is without its sharp edges?

This last sentence by far is the shadiest bit in the new Fail article, just posted this evening. "Sharp edges" indeed. What did Megsy do exactly, to irritate the normally placid and staid Duchess Kate? One wonders. The prior rumors of Kate having a 'quiet word' with Meg re her handling of the KP staff seems to now have legs.

I predicted weeks ago that Haz and Bean would up and move to St James, rather than Apt 1 at KP when the baby comes. William and Kate don't want them next door (privacy issues); St. James is grand in itself and is right next door to the real power center of the Royals, Clarence House. If they do end up at St James my bet is CH will remain home to Charles & Camilla after he becomes monarch.

HazBean don't have nearly enough free cash to purchase any kind of spacious and secure home in London or environs; the space they'd need for their RPOs alone would make such a move prohibitive. They will stay on at one of the palaces - St. James is the obvious choice if KP is now too crowded or 'unhospitable' to them.

She's a narc? As in she informed on drug dealers?

Narc as in narcissist. Look it up.

R342 She is definitely crazy. I wasn't following her from early on but I realised how crazy she was the moment I saw those side by side photos of her trying to mimic Diana down to the way she she had sunglasses hanging off a white shirt. Clearly there is some personality disorder there. I wouldn't put anything past her but because of how crazy she is people are speculating things that are baseless and make us look crazy instead.

R333 there are also uneven lumps in the bottom of the upper lip that mean injections, which Meghan has. Jesus Christ. No make-up tricks can do that trout pout she's got. It's all UNDER the lip line, so the outline is not distorted, and it fattens out from below.

Harry is mentally unstable, a drug user and quite possibly less than straight. He is also famously not all that bright.

His friends have all settled down and women like their wives would not have him for the reasons above.

He is not too smart and likely saw this as a coup on his part, not z list.

R349, you make no sense. If somebody is crazy, then speculating that they are doing crazy shit is common sense. Try a little less sugar.

What was the issue with the Australia tour? I didn’t follow it. What did they do that was so horrid?

“The early rising is also interesting. In my experience, people like this are often staid and pragmatic ― the opposite of dramatic. How do the rest of you think this fits with Meghan's personality profile?”

She’s ambitious. I am certain she has a solid work ethic. That’s why I have trouble believing she’s a drug addict. She’s an attention addict.

I have a SIL who’s very ambitious. Solid work ethic, insecure and craves attention. I can see it. My SIL is not a bad person, but she’s tungsten and expects a LOT from everyone.

Harry's 'drop down' might simply be that aristocratic girls liked dating him and partying with him in the short-term, but his personal charms weren't enough to secure him a bride of standing. Chelsy or Cressida would have had to give up their free, privileged existences for the much more strictured privilege of a working Royal. Even William couldn't get an aristocratic girl to go for that, and he's heir to the whole freaking show. Harry's status as spare, his limited intelligence, and his (by all accounts) spoiled and petty nature don't make him much of a bargain as a husband--unless you are a somewhat desperate grifter.

Well, sounds about right, R351.

Excuse me, but to imply William had to settle for Kate because no aristocrat girl would go for that is baseless.

^^ SIL will maintain a super schedule and pesters everyone as if we’re all ambitious as she is. Bitch, some of us just want to chill and don’t care if we’re bazillionaires.

They literally cannot understand why we don’t all want to be famous and toil night and day and be perfect in every way.

I adore MM.

Aren't there stories of Harry being cheap? Thought I read he refused to pay for airfare of one of the blondes (Chelsy or Cressida, don't remember which one) to attend an out of town wedding of one of his friends.

If MeAgain is like your SIL, Harry might have liked that.

Some men like a mommy figure who whips them into shape, so to speak.

I think he thought that they would have a great brand together. Clearly, by the time of the wedding he looked nauseous, but his hero complex prevented him from backing out.

I've become a belated fan of Guy Pelly. For years it was "Guy Pelly is the lad who is the devil on William's shoulder, telling him not to commit." "Guy Pelly is still in the circle and what an awful influence he is!"

Then Guy Pelly shoots his cuffs, cleans himself up nearly overnight, it seems, marries a massively wealthy, extremely well educated, very responsible and sedate, unglam but impeccably behaved American heiress who certainly didn't need to settle for a dissolute aristo-adjacent Brit if he didn't have the stuff. And he's been a perfectly behaved citizen, husband and father ever since. And Harry is a train wreck. We see where the problem really lay.

To say it's baseless is begging the question a big, R357. Even Charles said back in the 70s that it was hard to find the right girl to 'take him on,' and that wasn't just him being self-deprecating. I'm not saying William doesn't love Kate, but there may have been more factors than love that went into his decision to propose. A Royal heir seeking perspective brides is conducting job interviews as much as looking for love.

[quote] If they do end up at St James my bet is CH will remain home to Charles & Camilla after he becomes monarch.

There is a garden there...I could see them at St.James' Palace. I find it hard to imagine C&C not going to BP. #1) Charlie's fairly grand.... hard to imagine him not wanting to call it home... 2) they're spending a boatload to fix it up... refusing to move in is kind of a finger in the eye 3) you'd reckon it is at least slightly more secure, in the era of terror.

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The story about Harry being cheap was in Vanity Fair, which also dissected his recently busted relationship with Cressida Bonas. "Insiders" said they were both extremely immature, behaved much younger than their years. Each spoiled an entitled. Harry was peeved when she wouldn't hop to it whenever he wanted to see her. They did have a fight over who would pay for her plane ticket. And one instance sheds light, IMO, on the famously distorted story of William's 21st birthday party that Kate attended but Jecca Craig had the place of honor next to William. Cressida was scheduled to attend a wedding at which she would be seated at the main (bridal) table next to Harry. Although it was well known they were dating, this spotlight freaked her out. She didn't want to go. She didn't want to be at the table. She was shitting herself, IOW. And then it sort of emerged that she thought they'd run their course and she pulled the plug.

Difference being, while I don't think Harry was in love with Cressida anymore than she loved him, she moved on. Her profile was elevated, she had a name, it all helped her acting career, and she had family money. Harry had no other goals, so even though they weren't in love, IMO he would have married her if she were up for it.

Anyway, the story about the table made me realize that Jecca was the wing person at that birthday party because it would be FAR too much pressure to stick Kate at the head table in that position.

It's baseless. None of the aristo girls proposed by Kate haters have what she has. There are Isabelle Calthorp partisans who out of thin air claim she was the one he wanted and couldn't get. She's blonde and flashy, but also Fox News blonde basic with a strong chin and looks like Mary Hart (of ET). Nothing wrong with that, but Kate hardly needs to take a back seat. Not to mention she has always denied William took a shot.

Nobody has ever established that man-faced, half lean, half apple shaped Jecca Craig was the one that got away either. Arabella Musgrove was an early, apparently passionate relationship when he was in high school equivalent, but he was also playing the field at the time, it was long distance, and it played itself out. Kate and he were perfectly suited and in love and that's why they married. Of course in his position they couldn't marry when they met - it's much more than marrying a man, so they waited til they grew up. She's got the family, she's got the looks (beautiful AND adorable), the personality, and the compatibility. Country, responsible, trustworthy, fun, gets him, etc. It happens.

Charles was a freak, of course he had to hunt for a suitable bride. Look at him! Let's not compare him to William, or assume that effete, 90 year old man in a 30 year old body had issues finding a bride because of his position.

The self-proclaimed insiders who say Harry ended up with Smeg because he was desperate to get married and had been turned down by everyone never say he was desperate to get married because he wanted to settle down. It's "He was freaked out by William and Kate's popularity." He knew damn well in 10 years he would be utterly eclipsed by George and Charlotte - he even said so. And this was before Louis was a twinkle in William's eye. His "the SEXY prince" publicity had gone to his head, he believed his own PR, he probably enjoyed the "Harry should be king!" brigade and he needed to extend it. Without, you know, working for it. Along comes Smegs. She's Z list, but just as she didn't research BRF finances, I bet he didn't vet what she claimed about her financial health. Independent financially, with one fucking Z list role on basic cable? Sure, he bought it - she hung with Canadian prime minister relatives. He wouldn't hold Soho House against her - he and his cousins also hung out there.

It's not sex, it's not love, it's not manipulation (or wasn't) it's here's a warm body willing to do the job. He also bought what she sold him, thought he was getting someone comfortable on the global stage, with international connections, financially independent, and media savvy. He didn't give a shit about his private life - I think his private life is probably something we'd rather not know about. He cared about how she'd enhance his image and steal the spotlight from Will and Kate - a flashy, biracial brunette far less shy and far more sophisticated than home countries Kate. He played himself.

[quote]Nobody has ever established that man-faced, half lean, half apple shaped Jecca Craig was the one that got away either.

No, no one has established that and its likely an exaggeration. But you do Jecca a disservice insulting her so. By all accounts she's a loyal, discreet, impeccably turned out intelligent woman of some intellect, who's currently earning her doctorate. Too hefty for William; she had greener pastures to troll than the stifling cage of boredom that is Royal Partner/GF/Wife. She's remained a close pal and colleague of his nevertheless.

Nobody ever established that dowdy, frumpy, untrendy Camilla would be the 'one who got away' either, yet here we are. That's no saying Jecca fits that role for William (likely not) but since when did the Windsor men put looks or style high on their list of vaunted female attributes.

Basically, when people say William had to settle for Kate, I want to ask them exactly what they think the supposed options had that Kate does not. I will be happy to link to images and interviews with women who were supposedly "better". Jecca Craig is no more aristo than Kate, but she's got a wealthy dad with concerns in Kenya - that's virtually aristo, according to people who confer the same status on Chelsy, who is also no more aristo than Kate. Never been established that either girl is more moneyed than Kate either. But that African thing trumps a British party supplies business. African ranches! Safaris!

I refuse with square faced Isabella Calthorpe. Sam Bronson adores her, they have kids, mazel tov, but she's not loaded with charisma or charm, IMO.

If only William had married Isabella Calthorpe, he wouldn't have had to settle for "man-shouldered" Kate.

People who call Kate (and Isabella) man-shouldered apparently think most supermodels are dogs. Strong shoulders are an asset.

Jecca Craig. Heavens, how can Kate's figure compare to hers?

BTW, her figure is fine but let's not pretend Kate can't compete.

Arabella Musgrove, Will's highschool passion, at Will and Kate's wedding. She now reps Gucci, got a bespoke Gucci wedding dress, and vacations in the Maldives with her hubby. She's soulful, but again, not like she outclasses Will's actual spouse.

Here's a twist: Prince Harry was in love with Kate; hence his falling in love (?) with a woman possessing similar physical traits.

Charles' romantic history - Charles actually did not get turned down by a billion women. None that he actually loved, certainly. The one woman who turned him down, Amanda Knatchbull, was Lord Louis Mountbatten's granddaughter. Mountbatten was a father figure to Charles. Camilla was married by this time. Amanda was absolutely not his physical type, probably knew his "might as well" motives for asking, and said no thanks. They remained friends. His girlfriend Anna Wallace (a more glamorous Diana, if you can imagine - same height, haircut, very similar figures), dumped him when they attended a party and he spent all his time with the married Camilla.

The reason he had issues finding a bride is the woman he wanted was already married. Naturally the eligible women in his circle knew that and would proceed with caution.

Anna Wallace:

Totally agree about Calthorpe r370. All hat and no cattle as they say here in some quarters stateside. She would have never been up for 'the job' as they say.

My main point about Jecca (upthrea)d is she's got intellectual and personality substance, moreso than most of her set. It's not about her looks; she's a well-rounded person. Very loyal if what is said is true, as well. Making her perhaps a bit 'overqualified' for a royal partner role imo. Too stifling for someone like that.

Re Kate, Chelsy and social standing: it always was odd to me that so much was made of Kate's "commoner" status, grand-daughter of coal miners, blah blah etc. when Chelsy was the daughter of a B-grade ad pin up model from Zimbabwe, of all places. Her dad was a pal of Mugabe's, too, wealthy but crooked in every sense, declasse. Kate and her Lupton ancestors are reams above that lot by a mile imo.

Let's not get started on the 'classy' aristo that is Lady Mary Gaye Curzon Cooper-Key Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe Bonas Shaw, she of the four husbands and five children by three of them, who posed nude, smeared in engine oil, for a lads pin up book. Cressy isn't from solid stock either in the deportment department. Lineage, sure but not a personally secure background.

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R376, but Jecca is no more "well rounded" than Kate. Kate is intelligent and very substantive herself. Needs not take a backseat to Jecca. IMO the difference is she truly loved William. It has never been established that Jecca and William had been a thing, only assumed, but let's stipulate they were, there is no evidence that she has more compelling qualities than the woman he married. I have nothing against Jecca. She seems a very sensible woman, obviously she and her family are a huge additional value add to not just William's life, but Catherine's, with the conservation focus shared by William and Prince Charles. When William proposed to Catherine in Kenya, it is assumed it was on the Craig property. Many people seem to think that Jecca is in Kenya still, when she's in London pursuing a degree, ensconced with her husband and two kids.

Here's another pic of Anna Wallace. It's uncanny to me, how she's sort of a glammed up Diana. Who would have ever thought anyone could out-glam Diana?

But, long before Diana, she dumped Charles because of Camilla. That, and not his position as Prince of Wales, seems to have been the sticking point when he went bride shopping. The bride he wanted was married, but not out of his life.

@R374, interesting. I had to replay the clip a few times before I caught the lovelorn glance Prince Harry casts in Kate's direction as she begins to recite her wedding vows.

R374, Kate's love for William seems pretty unconditional, and she's a family girl, not a mean girl, so I could imagine she wants peace and this Meghan shit is disrupting.

HOWEVER, when Harry got engaged to Meghan, many people remarked on her resemblance to Pippa. Sure, scale, coloring, skin tone, but Pippa is muscular and her legs are on the short side, Meghan is attenuated with (proportionately) long legs and not muscular at all. Still, in portrait shots, there's a resemblance in type.

R380– Let’s not pretend that Carol wouldn’t have given her left tit to see Pippa marry Harry

R380 stop with the made up version of Carol that thinks any woman who is close to her daughters is scheming her ass off, and the Kate haters who twist a healthy family into "No grown woman should be close to her mother - Carol is pulling the strings."

I'm old enough, and yet know only two families - no, three - with a strong in-law relationship. It happens when the marriage between the in-laws is strong and the in-laws are financially secure. Not as common with couples who have adult kids as you'd think but good God, what a value add to the life of the younger generation. Supposedly Cressida and Kate weren't a natural fit as friends but Cressida loved Carol Middleton. The bullshit on celebitchy and the royal forums is just that. There has never been a whisper of evidence of anything else.

What’s the worst we can say about Harry? Is he truly stupid? Debilitating mental illness? (He seems pretty fit and active)

Why wouldn’t a decent, if not aristocratic British or Commonwealth woman who would be lowly enough to be impressed by the RF marry him?

R374 I always used to think so when seeing photos of the three of them together. I think any interest he had in Kate was probably not based on her but based in envy towards his brother for findng a family for himself.

Why can't they just be happy and leave it at that?

R384, nice. Unfortunately, Hetero men aren't that deep.

Maybe along with stupid Harry is annoying AF? You can only date a guy to a point, enjoying the level of social prestige he brings to the table... but, then you still have to be around the guy. The type dimwit may be attracted to (who seemed respectable enough on the surface) were easily turned off once they saw his princely title and demeanor incongruent.

Why or how did William turn out more stable?

Kate, Chelsy and Dimwit laughing it up in the old days. Sadly, Harry seeems to have lost this sense of lightheartedness since marrying Smegs.

Not the same easy-going rapport with MerchAgain as he seemed to have with Kate.

R383, the category you describe - decent, but "lowly" enough to be impressed by the BRF to marry Harry is actually a tricky category. The media does its utmost to pretend every girl on the planet wants to marry royalty. The reality is, if a girl has a trust fund, family money, plenty of access and connections, she'd have to really really love the guy to marry him, because she gains nothing. The media loves the Cinderella story, and plays it up. The reality is most prospective royal brides either already have the money, or they can marry some other guy with the money, and have the advantages and access without the royal pain in the ass. Plenty of people - including famous people - realize early on how much they love the perogatives of wealth and access WITHOUT the obligations of fame. Only "lowly" people want the fame.

So, ok, let's say Harry crosses paths with a woman who is not aristo or connected enough to move in royal aristo circles without him, but is still decent and "eligible". Who IS this woman? What is her "lowly" situation in life? It's actually not a common category at all. Pretty much a fantasy.

R389, part of me can't help imagining Harry marrying Chelsea. The royal family beaming. Both sides of the aisle laughing and smiling, having known each other for years. Harry and William joking at the alter as they wait. Chelsy escorted by her dad in an echt-Chelsy ensemble - bohemian, undone hair, mouth agape in a huge smile. Harry joking with her as they are at the alter, because no matter how solemn the occasion, they are also old friends and completely relaxed with each other. Prince Charles happy as fuck (there's a photo of him greeting Chelsy with a kiss). William taking the piss out of both Chelsy and Harry.

R388, IMO William turned out more stable because more attention was paid to him - he's the heir. His grandmother and his dad got more serious with him early. And dysfunctionally enough, his mom treated him sort of as a subsitute husband, turning to him for comfort, so he early got the idea that her feelings mattered more. As warped as it was, he learned responsibility, that it wasn't about him, but about her. Whereas Harry didn't.

When you look at the upbringing, Good Christ was William lucky in Kate. And he had the sense to know it. Sure, she's maternal, but she's got Carole stepping in to do the REAL maternal shit, so Kate can be the wife. People say, he needed a mum. But I think he needed role models, a family model, and he got it in the Middletons. So steady. Carole seems to be a real influence with a lot of the RF, but William seems especially fond of Mike.

Basically, William got very lucky. Met a girl. Went through growing pains, and she loved him enough to stick it out through all of that. Stable family. Blah blah blah. But, essentially, he was fortunate. Let's tell Harry to do the same. Hey Harry, find a girl from an intact, utterly stable family, well educated, wealthy, has tons in common with you (let's pretend Harry's interests are healthy). Lots of luck Harry.

Chelsey may have come close, but the wild card is Harry. He's not William. William had what it took to give Kate confidence to take that fucking haunted cursed sapphire ring and embark on life with him. I think Harry failed to give Chelsey the same confidence, and that's the difference.

Harry cheated on both Chelsy & Cressida. He didn't even seem ready to settle down when he met MM. Literally a year ago in 2017 in March there's a pic of him somewhere with an unknown but beautiful blonde.

So that to me says that H & MM had split up for a while.

I think she stalked him a lot though & was his booty call, willing to do the 6 hour trip from TO to LON quite a bit to stalk where he hung out & who his friends are. He probably liked it, just as John Lennon liked being stalked by Yoko.

I posted this in one of the first Dangling Tendrils threads. I looked at the interview again and right at the beginning the interviewer asks them about the relationship likened to being a "whirlwind", (1:05 minutes) Right away, Harry seems uncomfortable. MM takes over with a scripted response and as she looks at him, Harry **sniffs** , looks down as if to hide his unease, uncomfortable reaction, the truth.

Harry's incessant nasal sniffing actually starts at the very beginning of the interview. Another thing I noticed is Smegs does most of the talking - She's doing the heavy lifting in the interview while Harry dutifully follows along.

At 13:23 minutes, the interviewer asks the couple about meeting each other's families. Immediatetly, Smegs takes over and spins her tale of meeting Harry's family. Zero information on MM's family. The interviewer follows up with a question about MM's parents and their reaction to the engagement. Here, Harry is distinctly uncomfortable, shifts in his seat, looks down, sniffs, as MM talks about friends and her mom and finishes by saying Harry hasn't had a chance to meet her father "just yet"

Going all out crazy conspiracist, if the thing about the PR firm (desire to be seen as Diana 2, including Sam and dad, etc.) is true, maybe Sam being a blabbermouth was orchestrated by Meg.

TBRF May hate the drama but as far as the optics for Meg, it’s the hardworking girl who rose above her jealous, crazy family. It positions her in a very rootable place. If she wants to be “the people’s princess,” being seen as someone dealing with common family drama gives down to earth and empathy factors. She also gets to feel like she’s recreating poor, wounded Diana - the Saint forever suffering at the hands of others who were jealous she was more popular and beloved.

It’s probably crazy - but if she’s really got an agenda, I can see her leveraging her sister. Hell, I can see her having been the one to suggest pop’s British inspired photo shoot (as part of her adorable wedding press) and then turning on him when it went bad.

I'm the one that tried to post the DM link to Hurricane Meghan 3x & I want to thank the people that were being helpful & kind. Someone else came in, it seems & got into it with the people that tried to help me, which was odd as I was the person that posted the link & it only went to a video.

I've been on DL since 1998, so this new thing of DL only going to DM videos is really weird to me.

R182 you’re right ! Sorry .

This board is getting crazier, the number of people you have to block to read something quite clever and reasonable is amazing. And I don't care about free speech, you can write your crazy theories as much as you like but I don't have to read them again and again, once is enough.

Now, the DM article about "work ethic" is quite interesting.

I can believe she gets up at 5 AM and expect everyone else to do the same.

Same, she comes from third-grade Hollywood and must think important busy people text their assistants 6 times a day to look busy and important.

But, in real life it's usually those who do the less who brag the most about it. I imagine Megs texts as soon as she has a brain fart and bomb people with ludicrous ideas 10 times a day and at the end doesn't do much.

All she did is her Royal lifestyle "cookbook" and all she had to do is text Sam the idea, make a photo shoot, write some mundane intro and text an other message to Sam for organizing some party.

I imagine all the other Royals meet their staff once a day and are efficient enough to discuss every issue in one one hour meeting.

Megs is not efficient or organized enough for that, all she does is showing off some "work ethic", but I don't see much result. William, Harry and Kate don't do much either but no one ever said they have work ethic and they don't annoy their staff all day long for shit result.

Subjects,

It is with leaden heart and jaundiced eye that I put quill to parchment in hopes of reaching out and perhaps saving those most presciently dear beings native to this spinning spacerock upon whose storied crust we all live, laugh, and love — The Children.

You see, dragged up as I was in the blighted Deep South of Our Beloved City of Angels, so far WEST of the SOUTH was I that South Park was NORTH! And perhaps most transiently, EAST! But there I found myself — a small brown bean bravely taking root within the bloody war zone of View Park’s deepest and deadliest sidewalk crack, a crack that ran vermillion with spilled gang sangre — with nothing but the patina of noble birth and a tiny dream to my name.

Mine was a dream to save The Children.

For the most fleeting of moments I foretold that my Universe-bestowed gift of the ancient art of calligraphy would be my meretricious entrée to the change I sought to see in the world. Alas, that career topped out with Robin Thicke’s wedding invitations. Yes, Paula Patton, how you doin'? Girl, remember me? Remember when you bemoaned unto me, a Majestic Duchess of the Realm, that my curly-cues were flaccid? Oh, I know you do remember. But I digress…

Getting to the pinnacle of the point I shall like to impress upon you, [bold]SOMEONE[/bold] IS TRYING TO BEDEVIL YOUR CHILDREN WITH A CANCER! LET THE CHILDREN PLAY NOT WITH THIS ACCURSED POPPET LEST THEY SUBLIME TO THE LIAR’S DISEASE! I, the Queen of Your Hearts, wouldst love to go on and on and on and on and on and on for several more par a’graphs, but I must gravidly depreciate all stress unto my blessed womb, posthaste, such that she is. For I can't breath. I must quickly rejuvenate deep within the confines of my gestational pit in hopes of foreboding all stressors borne of this coal-stained Kat, usurper to my throne. Two thumbs down.

#SayNoToKillerKatKancerDoll #JustSayNo #JeSuisHospice #ICareMore

Oops. One does forget to quill one's name whence under so tirelessly great a stress!

With love and light,

R398 I concur. I've never had so many posters on block, and it is still off the rails. I guess some people are posting from different devices, browsers, whatever, because many of these off the wall posts are written in a similar tone. It has taken a lot of the fun out of it. If you are going to be crazy, at least be witty. Tedious to say the least.

Just as I was about to hit post, R399 Flower makes the scene! Yay!

I think HRH flowers and SSAA intern3 are the same . She or he are given themselves a pat on the back . So we’re the tedious ones and they are full of wit .

I could only wish to be a tenth as talented as Flower r402, so you are quite wrong. What fucking pat on the back? Why are you so bothered? You sound quite familiar. Posting again from yet another device? Did I strike a nerve with my earlier comments? No matter. Blocked, and I suggest you do the same if I annoy you so much. Though I think you get off on being annoyed.

R403 I always use the same device and that is an Ipad . And for someone always blocking me you know what I post. I don’t block people . I read it all the good the bad and the ugly . And sometimes there areb tidbits of gossip you wouldn’t know If you always block people . 😉

R396, it is because the videos are embedded. If you go to the settings wheel on DL and uncheck show link preview, then the link will take you to the article. You need to do it each time. It is a way that DM and other sites with embedded vids drive traffic to them.

It was a good overview of their other pieces on her, thanks for posting.

Expecting a child? Yes. Pregnant? No.

[quote] Another thing I noticed is Smegs does most of the talking - She's doing the heavy lifting in the interview while Harry dutifully follows along.

That was actually when I really started disliking her. Before I was mixed emotions. Didn't trust how this American actress with an ocean between her and him could make a genuine relationship work or understand how to fit in, but hey, it's actually none of my business.

Then the announcement and I got an unfiltered look at her, because she was saying what she pleased.

He's not wordless, just dim. He knows how to speak. It was their announcement, not hers, but she totally dominated, did most of the talking, displayed her early ignorance and I distrusted her as a result. There's an outtake from their big interview after the engagement where Harry "turns to his bride-to-be and, referring to BBC journalist Mishal Husain, says "she wants me to say something". Meghan bursts out laughing before saying "sorry" and resting her chin on her fist to teasingly show she is listening her future husband."

It was just so evidently all about her. Perhaps the incessant babbling was nerves not ego. I used to think it was insecurity because in public she has this shoulders tensed, arched pose that suggests defensiveness. (And I'm sure she is quite nervous because she's knows she isn't playing within the rules, everybody's watching and noticing and nobody's saying 'good for you, you show 'em!"). I don't know what to think of her motives, just that they aren't admirable. Look, too, at how happy he looks here and how his demeanour is now. Seems different in many photos recently vs. previously. But even if he loves her still, imagine living with a partner who apparently never shuts up.

R398, R401 and SSAA Troll 3 (although3 may have me on block because we've argued before! LOL) but in any event, I share your pain. I heard this great line on the cold open of SNL last night and immediately thought of this thread (it was sending up Fox News on voter fraud):

".. but doesn't it feel more true that all Hispanics voted twice? You can't dismiss the idea simply because it isn't true and sounds insane. In fact, lets add that to our list of Feel Facts, which aren't technically facts but they just feel true."

(Example of feel facts: if the earth is so warm, why are my feet cold? and if you have less than five guns, you're gay.)

So from now on, I think I will be the Feel Facts Troll, noting, before I block.

R407 Just look at the Tig, gurl loves the sound of her voice.

She loves being the center of attention, she loves the fame, the journalists, the crowds, the jewelry and the Haute Couture dresses. That's why I'm not sure she gonna divorce, it not gonna be easy to get rid of her.

Perhaps HazzDim loved it at the beginning, she took care of him and he had less pressure. But with the time passing she must be overwhelming.

I don't want to read too much into his recent pictures because you can always isolate a bad pic and begin some huge conspiracy theory about surrogate, drugs abuse and fake bumps.

R408 You're paranoid, I didn't block you but I still can if you want.

R409, all I meant was that in many recent photos he looks at least tense and little like the young man on engagement announcement day. But people often find there is a vast difference between married life and life before. ;)

And I agree, surrogates, drug abuse and fake bumps are all Feel Facts.

Sorry R408 I misread you.

Sorry

A agree he doesn't look very happy R411, but maybe he just worries about being a father or something else.

No worries... this thread doesn't exactly inspire trust among peers!

Breaking alert: I've found Harry's balls.

Contact me by PM for retrieve.

I completely agree with you R407, your experience and the beginning of your dislike match my own feelings. Initially I thought "oh well, good for them" when news broke. But the minute she opened her mouth in that engagement interview I wanted to shut it for her. With my fist. She came across so incredibly full of herself, and the constant switching between confident woman and naive little girl personas really irritated me. It actually just occurred to me that their engagement interview reminds me of the most recent Mary Kay Letorneau and Vili Fulau interview - two older, manipulative women trying to alter the narrative to suit themselves whilst their young, dumb and full of cum partners sit back lurching between forced happiness and desperation.

I think, another reason why he would let her talk in interviews is that he knows she is better at lying. If he gave a prepared speech about a blind date and roasted chicken, it would have sounded awkward and not as smooth. She, on the other hand, is a natural at this sort of thing.

Ugh, she's an asshole but not a pedo R416.

Why would they need to lie about the blind date or roast chicken?

Obviously she doesn't share that trait with Mary Kay, but their general aggressive, overbearing and manipulative "mother" vibe feel very similar to me.

There was some clip in French tv comparing H&M and W&K engagement interviews.

I hope I could post it here because you could see that H&M totally replicate W&K interview. It was quite hilarious, they just copied the chicken roasting story and the time line.

R408 Nope, your are most certainly not blocked! I agree with many of your posts. Especially about all of the ridiculous Fan-fic floating around on here lately. I miss the pointless bitchery, wicked humor and cleverness so I took a couple of days off. Catching up now as I can't sleep as per usual.

*you are

I'm sure Dumb was mesmerized by Dumber's roasted chicken -- and this is the bestest story Dumber could come up with to illustrate their shared interests. Yikes.

Welcome back SSAA intern 3, I've missed you.

Endless hall monitoring on this thread - adults understand we cannot control other people. That is what is tiresome, the rest is entertaining.

Great post, R421, although surely Catherine allowed Wills to speak?

The ridiculous engagement dress and breathless interview - Sparkle must have thought it would be like that always.

Cambridge engagement interview

The reason Harry didn't end up with a suitable bride like Wills did is that he didn't put the work in. William spent 10 years nurturing that relationship, and despite some bumps along the road, by the end he and Kate knew each other intimately. Most importantly, Kate got a good look at what she'd be taking on and decided she was ready for it. The result is a happy, stable, productive marriage that will go the distance.

That kind of relationship takes work. It's pretty clear that Harry doesn't like to work. One reason he went for Meghan is that she was willing to do all the work to make the relationship happen, in a way his previous girlfriends weren't. She's still doing all the work, but it's not necessarily the right work or work that will make Harry happy. But that's what happens when you cede all control because you just can't be arsed.

Seems a good theory, R429. Does not bode well for parenthood.

The way she is isolating him from friends and family would only work if he goes along with it.

Biggest mistake of his life.

To the poster who thinks things with Sam may be coordinated, I have wondered that for a while.

The best thing Harry and Meghan could do for Baby Sussex is hire a bright, brisk Norland nanny who will stay with the tot throughout its childhood and give it the continuity and stability its parents cannot.

They'd have to pay for a Norland nanny.

SSAA intern 3 - We miss you on your other SSAA thread too! Your wit really deserves its own thread so we can appreciate your creative insights.

Unlikely, R431. Remember sainted Di firing a nanny Wills was attached to? If it were not for the Middletons, he might be as mental as Harry. At best he is said to be chilly, walled off and quick to anger, even at Catherine. Narcs always making sure their needs come before the child will do that. If fact, they see the child as being THERE to meet the needs of the parent. Anyone else is a threat to that.

Harry knocking the heads of the little boys together was disturbing. WTF was that about?

Now you see Baby Sussex, now you don't.

So what is the scoop on Wills?

Maybe she has a deflatable inflating moon bump? Hella strange, R435. That, plus all the face work, plus the blasted eyes is what has folks side eyeing it all as quite odd.

Norland nanny, hahahahahahaha. Are they known to prefer Soho House?

The things I'm hearing about Wills make him sound quite a bit like his grandfather Phillip. Temperamentally, he could do worse.

Spill, R438.

Like Phillip, he his dutiful but impatient, stands very much upon his dignity, doesn't suffer fools, prefers the country life, and has an eye for female beauty while being essentially monogamous. Has very high expectations for his son.

This is all gleaned from various biographies and internet gossip, R439: I'm not any kind of insider. For that reason, take all this with a grain of salt (I sure do).

R321 - According to the BRF, the place wasn't well-kept: there was considerable asbestos in the roofing, the plumbing was eroded, etc. KP is one of those places that is "vested in the state", not privately owned by the BRF, and the renovations were strictly structural, not furnishings or things like that. The funds came out of the Sovereign Grant and the sovereign's extra "At Need" fund.

For the record, I was appalled myself at the cost and the family taking the monies out of the SG - that IS taxpayer money, but the "vested in the state" label, which means that the public really own it, got them off the hook. I do not know why people are shocked when the veil is lifted and it becomes clear that the people who benefit most from the monarchy are the monarchs and their families. KP is vested in the state, but the "state" don't get to live in it, only the royals do. Why else do you think the Windsor boys come out at the top of the World's Most Eligible Bacherlors lists? Their looks, charm, intelligence, and humour?

It's a scam past its sell date. My benighted fellow citizens support it by large percentages. If they didn't riot in front of KP during the renovations, they deserve what they get.

Working on something like KP was always going to be expensive.

It's not your suburb cottage, it's like Versailles or shit like that. If it belongs to the State, the State pays the bills for it like you pay for any public building.

It's an investment not a waste of public money.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

The Daily Fail is on fire today.

This would be a tax nightmare if Meghan had to do her own taxes. But since the Royals will hire experts to sort all this out, and no doubt get a sweetheart deal from the IRS due to their status, she probably won't even think about this for more than two seconds.

I am very amused by the clear and steely hard-on the DM has for Meghan these days, though.

R326 - I believe the information in that Guardian article was later proved false. The Queen Mum's estate, first of all, was nearly bankrupt, she was millions in debt when she died. She left modest trusts EQUALLY among all her GRANDCHILDREN - NOT her great-grandchildren. William and Harry are her great-grandchildren, not her grandchildren. Harry's annual income is almost entirely derived from the trust Diana left each son, and they were equal in size, the rumour that Harry got more was also false. Certainly, on paper, as the trust earns money from careful management, it is far more, but people don't convert that kind of wealth into cash. Rich people don't touch principal, only interest income.

If Harry really had access to that kind of cash income, he wouldn't be living in Nott Cott and he'd tell Charles and HM to go fuck themselves, and buy himself a townhouse in London and a country estate like Anmer Hall. He doesn't. He lives off the income from Diana's trust.

The royal family's web site, by the way, lays out the terms of the Queen Mother's estate. I won't swear to it, but I do seem to remember that such funds as she did leave were divided equally amongst her grandchildren. She spent well above her means for most of her life as a widow.

The renovations on KP were also expensive because it's a listed building, which means all work has to be sympathetic to the original architecture. In some cases, that even means using things like period-appropriate mortar and bricks. Those kinds of specialized materials, and the wages of the specialized workmen who can handle them, add up fast.

Charles is right to want to slim down the Royals to only the immediate line of succession. Having cousins and non-essential grandchildren hanging around these Palaces, even if they pay market rates, just underlines how unfair the whole system is. HM is paying the market-rate rent for a lot of these slobs, and even if she weren't, it's not as if your average UK citizen would ever be allowed to rent a place at KP. But their taxes pay for the renovations.

You may be right, R446, though the Guardian article does explain that "the trust fund, tying up liquidity, probably partly accounted for the Queen Mother's overdraft with the royal bankers Coutts, which was reported in 1999 to run to £4m."

The truth is, very rich and powerful people like the Royals never disclose how their finances really work. Possibly they don't even know, as they hire people to worry about that. The true state of Harry's finances will never be made public, unless this tax thing really blows up in his and Sparkle's faces.

R447, would someone like Taylor Swift or Beyonce ever be allowed to rent one of those apartments?

That would be hilarious.

Why doesn't Harry invest his money, buy shares, etc.? Is he not allowed to do that? He could have made a fortune of his own.

That WOULD be hilarious, R449, though TayTay and Bey aren't UK citizens, and therefore not paying the taxes which keep KP going.

Which rich-but-trashy UK celebs should be allowed to rent apartments at Kensington Palace? Any thoughts?

[quote]The best thing Harry and Meghan could do for Baby Sussex is hire a bright, brisk Norland nanny who will stay with the tot throughout its childhood and give it the continuity and stability its parents cannot.

R431, I agree. The primary difficulty here would not be paying such a nanny, as R432 suggests, but keeping her.

How long would she need to stay to provide the continuity and stability that would give Baby Sussex a fighting chance in life, psychologically speaking? I would argue approximately 13 years, or until the child is boarding full-time at school (as opposed to weekday boarding only, which was William's situation from ages 8 to 13).

Is Meghan Markle capable of creating a work environment that would entice an outstanding nanny to stay for a 13-year stretch? Based on her current track record, I'd be surprised if she could keep such an employee for even one year. From the Daily Mail's "Hurricane Meghan" article:

[quote]Meghan has joined the Royal Family at a time when several aides have moved on, including senior communications secretary Katrina McKeever – a point of liaison for Meghan’s family – who quietly left the Kensington Palace press office in September. In April, it was announced that Edward Lane Fox, Harry’s right-hand man of the past five years, would be leaving earlier than many expected. And in the past few days, it was reported that one of Meghan’s aides, a woman said to be called ‘Melissa’, has departed.

Therefore, unconventional though it may be for the royal family, I think the best course of action would be to send Baby Sussex to board full-time in his or her primary school years. I would trust an established, discreet school with this child's upbringing and mental health before I would trust Meghan and Harry.

The Dragon school in Oxford begins boarding children at age 8. It's a lovely and prestigious school, particularly well known for Classics studies. Baby Sussex could learn Latin!

R443 - The DM article on the royals' "tax nightmare" just shows you how unreliable they are. Sparkle does not have $5 million. She got paid standard industry wages for a secondary character on a cable show for seven years. That was the only decent acting job she ever had in her adult life, the rest of the time she probably scrounged off her father and men she fucked for jobs like a Suitcase girl on Deal or No Deal. She rented her home, had to pay for agents and PR reps and everything else she tried to edge into A-list view. She couldn't have put $5 million together from her 7 years as a secondary character on "Suits" if her life depended upon it.

The tax issue basically is around earnings and gifts she continues to get. She's married, she can file jointly or separately like any other couple, but naturally, her income has increased significantly and she has to declare it. That isn't a "raid" - it's standard operating procedure. When you marry, your spouse's income becomes part of what you pay tax on.

She also has to declare "gifts" above a certain worth, which may explain how odd her clothes look. She may have reached an agreement with the BRF to allow her to accept "loans" in order to keep them off her tax tab. It may also be the reason Charles isn't providing his usual supplement to Harry's household, which in turn makes the "loaning" agreement with clothes and jewelry more explainable.

It's not a "nightmare", it is how taxes work in both America and the UK. Rich people are generally good at finding ways to keep their money out of government hands, so remains to be seen what they do with this.

For the wealthy, Harry's real cash income, on which he pays tax, isn't really that much, something Sparkle probably didn't realise, although certainly it's many steps up from her previous life.

It will be six years before Sparkle can formally apply for UK citizenship, having fulfilled the permanent resident requirement, and returning regularly to America to have her visa renewed. It isn't likely the BRF wasn't aware of the situation from the get-go. They know all there is to know about money.

R434, I believe Angelina has done that, too. Fire them if they get too close and the children prefer them.

Some potential candidates for KP residences: Katie Price, Paul Gasgoigne (along with his sober companion), Daniel Radcliffe (supports a British Republic), Crown Prince MBS (yes a murderer, but royalty and could pay way above market rate

I would love to see Harry Potter swanning around KP.

R450 - I'm sure he has. The BRF have excellent people who are paid to invest and manage their fortunes. The fact that Harry's trust from Diana is producing 400,000 quid annually tells you something. But, again, people at this level know better than to eat into principal, because the more you eat into principal, the less interest revenue is produced. It's how "fortunes" are eventually destroyed. That's why Charles supplements his sons' household incomes, so that they can keep up their very royal lives without eating into their core source of revenue. William will inherit the Duchy of Cornwall, so eventually he will be much richer than Harry, and when he becomes King, will inherit the Duchy of Lancaster and its revenues, and then the Duchy of Cornwall reverts to the next Prince of Wales, Prince George.

So Harry and his family will become increasingly irrelevant and increasingly less wealthy as his income has to be spread out to children and grandchildren. So converting that 30 million in "assets" to cash isn't smart - he needs that to keep growing and to keep producing a steady stream of revenue for him and his descendants so he can leave trusts, too.

"Assets" aren't cash. The smart thing to do is to keep investing the trust so the interest income rises, also on the expectation that his father will also leave him a trust one day. If his father does leave him a trust, he will also be less dependent upon William's pleasure at doling out some of the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall.

Which is why Sparkle should be doing her best to ingratiate herself with the family, not sowing enmity inside right out of the starting gate.

R453 - The Dragon School is legendary - I believe a number of our well known actors, including Tom Hardy, Tom Hiddleston, Max Irons, and Hugh Laurie, were educated there.

So why do you think she is doing it, R458?

r389 - That photo is from the wedding of Peter Phillips to Autumn Kelly. Both Kate and Chelsy looked beautiful that day (HELLO paid the couple 500,000 for the rights to cover it, somewhat to HM's displeasure) so there are extensive photos of it. It seemed such a happy, youthful, and hopeful wedding - what a contrast to what came later for Harry in the same department. It's really quite sad how "off the rails" his selecting Meghan Markle looks beside it. He passed up his chance to end up like William - he should have been faithful to Chelsy, who didn't his money or crave the limelight, and married her rather than the aging divorced grifter from L.A. Chelsy really loved Harry; Meghan Markle only loved what Harry could give her. That, in itself, is a mistake of gargantuan proportions. I wonder if he realises it yet.

And those uneven side layers of Meghan's look ridiculous on her. She should just it all the fuck off and stop pretending to be a white girl with Kate Middleton's hair, and get a softly waved bob that isn't so destructive to her hair, doesn't need weaves to thicken it, and will frame her face much more prettily.

God what a pair of fucked up narcissistic twats. Say what you will about William and Kate, at least they don't come off as same.

It is not just working on a relationship. With people who are mental - Diana, Merching - it will not matter. The secret is in the picking.

William has always been more stable, he was forced into being a surrogate husband by his mentally ill mother and a surrogate father by his very young and unstable brother.

Drama and chaos and broken relationships were not as easy to spot in a 19 year old. Almost every red flag in the book was there with Merching. Harry saw her as a victim to whom he could play hero, rather than unstable, stone cold bitch, who treated people like Kleenex. There were plenty of data points, but his interpretation was that of a broken child. How could he have a positive sense of self by rescuing. Lots of men and women like to scoop up broken toys.

I think he wanted what William seems to have but had less of an idea of what goes into that than George might.

Feel for his child/ren, Merching is a nightmare. Harry truly is the WORST of both parents. At this point it is on him to grow himself up and develop some core sense of self. Problem is that narcs suck everyone dry and their drama and chaos leave little oxygen in the room for anything else.

Her hair looks ridiculous. I once knew a dramatic girl who would hack at her own hair when spinning out. Wonder if our Merching shares that trait.

R460, I’m not r458, but I’ll give my opinion.

People like Markle (and Trump and my mother), who think everything is a competition for total zero-sum domination, cannot exist in harmony with others. They cannot abide it.

There is no true friendship, no true cooperation or relaxing. If they are in a situation in which people are enjoying easy companionship, they will seek to destroy the equilibrium. Because they have a constant need to quiet those insecure feelings, they create competition for control. If everyone is at dinner, laughing and getting along, they’ll one-up someone’s story or target one half of a couple to flirt with.

They cannot help themselves.

R462, You really nailed it.

As you’ve said, Harry wants what William has, but can’t begin to understand what goes into having it.

R428 I never saw that interview, but I don't think that H&MM copied it. Harry tried to be like Wills there but MM was so nervous & dominating and awful. What a huge difference! The W&K interview is, they are both so on the same page & took so much time knowing each other, but H&MM just jumped into this engagement thing, he wasn't with her for very long, he had previously DUMPED her & was seeiing other people in March of 2017 then he was engaged in Nov & married in May to MM. That is insanity.

R465 I didn't say it was the same but they used the same talking points than W&K.

Wrong, R326. Her [italic][bold]liquidity[italic][/bold] was severely affected precisely because she moved her money into trusts, inheritances. If you give anything away seven full years prior to your death, it is exempt from inheritance tax at 40% of the value. Yup, she was always in overdraft because she spent way more than she had at her disposal.

[quote]I never saw that interview, but I don't think that H&MM copied it

Classic Feel Fact - facts, which aren't technically facts but they just feel true.

1). The Queen Mother has left her entire estate to her only surviving daughter, the Queen, it was announced on Friday. The estimated £70m fortune includes works of art and house contents, the most important of which will go on public view.

It comes largely from investments including paintings, a valuable Faberge egg collection, china, jewellery and horses.

2). In 1994, the Queen Mother reportedly put aside two-thirds of her [bold]money[/bold] into a trust fund for her great grandchildren.

Princes William and Harry will reportedly share about £14m from the estate of their late great grandmother.

The bulk of the cash will go to the younger brother, since William will benefit financially by becoming king.

R463, this is exactly what I see in this family shot: Nutmeg "smiling" with her mouth--most definitely not with her eyes--calculating and resentful AF that Louis is drawing all this attention. Biding her time until she is the one to bask in the reflected glory she think she deserves, once she has borne the favored grandchild.

* she thinks she deserves

Have to say that Sparkle's wardrobe expenses look even more obscene in light of Harry paying income tax on his £300k income tax. Approx. 45% of that will go in tax.

She is worse than Di as she has no respect for the monarchy whatsoever. She is genuinely crazy and quite a risk to it.

Harry is unstable himself and narcs take quite a toll. Wonder if/when he will completely break down?

Sparky is not actually PAYING for those clothes, if she were they would FIT and be free of tags.

I was looking at a few photos r461 and this photo seemed to capture a genuine spontaneity and Harry seemed unencumbered, confident, well-attired aand groomed. Morover, the three of them seemed to be tight-knit, on the same page, and sharing jokes like friends / family would naturally do at a family social occasion.

Now, fast forward to today, Harry's demeanor seems stilted, lacking confidence, angered, on edge, and worse, he's playing second fiddle to his shifty wife, feeding her insatiable craving for profile, luxury and massive public adoration.

How does Dimwit reconcile Megchaos's professed passion and dedication to humanitarianism with her greedy grasping for BRF's Crown jewels, French couture, and luxury palatial accommadation? He probably thinks he needs to protect her - his delusion is complete.

r463 you described all the narcs I've known perfectly. They have the insatiable need to wipe the smile off anyone's face they believe is having a better time than them or is taking away any attention from them.

If you look at many of the photos lately it does seem like Harry's demeanour has changed.

This is why MeAgain is pushing 40 with no friends and an estranged family, R476. She has immediately set about creating the same for H.

At least there's this... when this hits the rocks, a child (or more) isn't her bargaining chip, it's his.

Thanks, R470. So Harry got a big fat trust from his mum and great-grandmum, which have no doubt been carefully managed for him since he was a young boy. He might not be able to touch the principal, but it and his yearly income seem to be larger than reported.

R460 - Because she's a clinical narcissist and can't help herself. She's been scheming all her life to get somewhere, and now that she has, she doesn't know how to stop. It's second nature to her. She thinks there's someplace else for her to get to, so she has to jockey for position, e.g., undermining Kate - she simply doesn't realise that she can't undermine Kate, that she can't jockey for position because her position is now permanent - public approval is meaningless, and the long game and the higher status and the big money goes to the Cambridges and their offspring.

She thinks the BRF is Hollywood and she's still trying to cut out another actress for a part. But it isn't, and there are no other parts available than the one she's got.

I suspect that may prove to be one of her biggest problems: accepting the notion that there is no place else to go. She's too used to looking for the next step up, which provides a certain mojo of its own. But that clock has stopped - I wonder if she misses it.

At this rate, Merching might find herself on a slow boat back to the States in a cheap inside cabin next to the engine room.

She has to miss it, R481, people ,like her have no internal sense of self.

Unfortunately narcs are often quite good at reading people and appearing to meet their needs in the short term, Harry thought he was getting a more glamorous Kate 2.0. Wills was the substitute husband for his mental mother, Harry may have felt jealous of that relationship. Now he gets to live it out. By getting him to cut out friends and by alienating his family, she solidifies control over him. It is ridiculous if he indeed shouted at others that she gets what she wants. Pretty emasculating.

He could step out of the game at any time, but he would have to acknowledge having been played. After that there are people who sort these things out for someone in his position. He looks quite frustrated with her, surely that is a start? His innate cheapness may also prove an assist.

Now MM is screaming there's a spy in her slaves, er servants.

They found the Sparkle snitch r484.

That link must be for subscribers, r484.

I think we all know who the culprit is.

Thank you r487. New Scotland Yard is ON IT!

R480 - No, he did NOT get a large trust from his great-grandmother. Again, what was left of the Queen Mother's estate after her four million quid in debts were settled was set up as trusts for her GRANDHILDREN, NOT her GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN. That was erroneous reporting on The Guardian. Harry's personal income is derived solely from the income from the trust his mother left and what his father chooses to supplement that income with from the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall, which are about 20 million quid annually, and on which the Prince of Wales makes a "voluntary" contribution to the Exchequer each year. The Queen Mother's estate was running at a deficit and was nowhere near enough to set up trusts for all her grandchildren AND 6 million quid each for Charles's sons, whom she would have known wouldn't need it.

It is Diana's trust that provides the bulk of Harry's and William's personal income, on which both pay tax, supplemented by (and I am guessing here) about 200,000 quid each annually from Charles.

The Queen Mother was hardly poor, but after widowhood, her daughter inherited the Duchy of Lancaster that her husband once owned. She was used to living high and she kept doing it in her irresistibly charming fashion.

It is also false that Harry got a bigger trust than William. The trusts were divided equally between the two boys. Diana knew that William wouldn't be inheriting the Duchy of Cornwall until, probably his fifties.

RE the VIPER story: one thing you all need to know is that the Telegraph is in the pay of Clarence House. It never prints anything negative about MM - it ignored Tiara Gate, for example, and its "fashion" columnist was about the only human on planet Earth who pretended that the de la Renta tablecloth outfit Sparkle wore to the Spencer wedding was a win.

They quite clearly have ties to whomever has it at heart to offset any of the negative publicity attaching to Nutmeg. Take anything they say about her with a bucket of salt: like Celebttchy and Lainey, they are wholly in Meghan's corner and are her creatures.

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So the Guardian AND the BBC (linked above) both got it wrong? Okay, R489, if you insist.

OK, R489, find a reliable source to prove what you're claiming. You can't because it isn't factually correct.

Could anyone open the Telegraph link? Yahoo had a different link to the story, that does not open for me either, even in cached form. Was the story put out by MeNutter pulled? Narcs playing victim, who woulda thunk it?

People like this are EXHAUSTING. Suck all the air out of any room they are in. The sooner she goes, the better for all of them. Distruptive, dramatic, just plain awful. Can you imagine a pregnant woman throwing herself down stairs, never mind while pregnant with the heir to the throne? This one is likely crazier.

If anyone can open the link, please paste a bit. Thanks.

The majority of you are just freaking insanely talented fan fiction writers. Racist, mysoginistic fan fiction writers - but imaginative ones.

Is her ability to plant favorable PR and PR trashing Catherine being dialed back by the RF? Is that why the links do not work?

I don't know how reliable the Express is, but here's what it says about Harry's fortune:

[quote]The Queen Mum left her estate to her only-surviving child, Queen Elizabeth, but left savings of about £14 million for Prince William and Harry to share. The vast bulk of that fortune went into a trust fund for the younger prince, reported the BBC. . . . The brothers were also both left money in their mother Princess Diana’s will, around £7 million each. In all, it’s thought that Harry is worth £28 million.

You'd think he'd be worth more than 28 mil, given the principle of compounding interest, but I'm not an accountant.

"It's thought" R496.

It means they don't really know and just are repeating what others wrote before.

R477, yes, it’s very apparent. He looks a mess.

R492 R489 IS correct because I have read the same thing. The research is available to you but don't expect someone to treat you like an instructor and do the work for you. Stop reading bullshit in even the mainstream newspapers, which are poorly researched, often cull from what's already been printed somewhere else, and lazy. R470, the piece on the queen mother's estate is erroneous, as initially the palace did not want to release its terms nor publicize the "get round the taxman" situation that supposedly set up trusts for her grandchildren years before. She did NOT fucking give the money to the already trust-funded William and Harry when she had six grandchildren altogether (let's not forget Margaret's two) and more grandchildren than just those two. Why on earth would she do that? Nobody has the details and they have been all over the map depending on where you research. It's the grandchildren only! No, it skipped the grandchildren and went to the greats! No, it's William and Harry!

Harry is notoriously cheap. Even his Vegas adventures were completely comped by Steve Wynn (which Harry is not supposed to accept but as they're "friends" I suppose he got round the restrictions on being commercial).

The amount of money she had to set up is speculation. It's all "reportedly" and believed to be. Guesses, IOW, and considering the Queen Mother had substantial debt even 7 years prior to her death, one may question exactly how much cash she had. If you dig, there is even a report out there that she set trusts up for everyone BUT William and Harry (instead of JUST to William and Harry) as they were already provided for with their mother's trust fund - a trust fund that was evenly split between them.

This is directly from the BBC in 2001, R497 and R499:

[quote] In 1994, the Queen Mother reportedly put aside two-thirds of her money into a trust fund for her great grandchildren. Princes William and Harry will reportedly share about £14m from the estate of their late great grandmother. The bulk of the cash will go to the younger brother, since William will benefit financially by becoming king.

The BBC is very reliable. Yes, they used the qualifier 'reportedly,' but they wouldn't put it out there if they weren't reasonably sure. If there are SO many reliable sources you could quote that say otherwise, why not quote even one? And don't start with that 'I'm not doing your homework for you' bullshit: You're saying that because you can't quote any reliable sources. If you're so fucking sure, put up or shut up.

The Guardian originally reported the trust transfer in

It was still reporting it in 2002.

"Her annual £643,000 income from the Civil List was barely enough to maintain her household, and the Queen would bail her out to the tune of a million or two a year. In 1994, she put two-thirds of her fortune in trust for her great-grandchildren, Princes William and Harry, to avoid inheritance tax. It left her short of funds. "

As I posted yesterday, one of the "insiders" said that Prince Charles told the news outlets with whom he has influence to start stressing Catherine around the time of his birthday. Remember these reporters want access, access is what gives them a name for themselves. They are not hard-nosed journalists who would blaze on the front page that the palace wants to influence them. One reason all this shit is coming out about Meghan is, IMO, she has been such a blazing nightmare, has been given every chance to correct course and only ups the ante, and she is never going to get in line. She will always be scheming and leaking, lying and spinning. Her tour behavior was appalling - as was Harry's.

Harry is as bad as she. He was no better behaved on the tour. He was also an asshole, with their smarmy touchy feely self-promoting crap, from having Smeg cuddle under his arm holding the umbrella and looking adoringly at him to gripping her inner thigh to dressing like a slob. The reports were she was rude and he was stressed, but his BEHAVIOR was also rude, even if his words weren't. And their treatment of children was disgusting - every time they saw a kid they tried to co-opt the poor reluctant kid as a hugging prop.

R501 she did NOT put her money in trust for Prince William and Harry. What do you think, she dissed all of her grandkids and other great grandchildren for those two? No other reports say that. They're just the marquee names so it's easier to shove them into the story.

The Guardian also made it clear that the trust fund was for all of the great-grandchildren, not just William and Harry.

[quote]Of the trust fund, William and Harry are likely to share about £6m at the age of 21 - the bulk going to the younger son apparently to compensate for not becoming sovereign - and a further £8m when they reach 40. Princess Anne's children Zara and Peter Phillips and Prince Andrew's daughters Beatrice and Eugenie, together with Princess Margaret's children, Viscount Linley and Lady Sarah Chatto, will also receive bequests running into several millions each.

R500 just by saying "The BBC is reliable" you are a joke.

They would say plenty if they weren't sure - they are just doing the same weasel work arounds everyone else does "estimate" "reportedly", etc.

And no, I'm not doing your work for you but I am going to push back on your credulous, knee jerk belief that what's printed in the papers about the BRF finances MUST be correct, as you have no support for that. You simply assume a "name" paper or outlet must have the receipts. You should think again.

You're so cute, 504. Making the same hysterical arguments over and over again, trashing my sources when you have shown absolutely none of your own. But you be you, boo.

I also fail to understand, when there is rampant speculation in this thread based on 'feel-facts,' why people are freaking out over SOURCED REPORTS of Harry's inheritance from his great-grandmother. But I'm bored with this argument, so if you want to keep spinning your cute little tales, go for it.

The Guardian's figures seem high to me. For years it was spread about without verification that Diana's trust left more to Harry, and then it turned out that it didn't. So then the stories decided that the Queen's trust must have left more to Harry, and there is no verification for that, nor is there verification for the amounts. These are guesses and estimates based upon more guesses and estimates. The shaping of these stories seem to believe that since Harry and William are considered the "central" younger royals due to being the sons of the heir and their fame, the QM's trust must have put them first as well.

Instead of printing what the paper is saying, print the paper's source. On an article such as this one, it would be customary to say something like, "the documents reviewed by the guardian reveal." or, "a source in the royal accountancy office" or "a source close to the BRF's solicitors" or "papers made available to the Guardian show."

Does the article have those citations as sources for it's info?

[quote]As I posted yesterday, one of the "insiders" said that Prince Charles told the news outlets with whom he has influence to start stressing Catherine around the time of his birthday.

Oh, God, this idiot again... citing Tumblr or Reddit or some other descendant of Wikipedia.

Just block the idiot... if won't cite a source because it can't... another fantasist.

It's you we are blocking, darling. You seem a poor fit for a gossip site.

[quote]The Guardian's figures seem high to me.

[quote]Does the article have those citations as sources for its info?

So Feel Facts only wants sources from other people. Rich.

Don't you see, R509? It's okay to spin endless theories about smack-addicted yacht girl Meghan and her pillow baby, who has ensnared poor, mentally challenged, coke-sniffing Harry in her web of lies, but God forbid someone cite respected sources which indicate he might have a few more quid than originally thought.

Nothing left to see, R510, got 'em on block. I wonder what it's like to be that stupid?

Meghan is not really Harry's problem - Harry is Harry's problem. The BRF spent nearly ten years re-casting him as the action prince. This was something attempted in the previous generation with prematurely old man Charles - he was action man! Helicoptering! Parachuting! Very silly, not least because Charles hardly had the looks to carry it off.

But Harry was better cast in the role, as people tend to think - well, if he's not intellectual, he must be physical! Daring! Not only did he fly helicopters, we were told he had a discovered a genius for flying the BEST helicopters. His Vegas debacle kind of threw questions on how much he had actually matured in the military, as did his quitting in pique when he realized he'd have to, you know, pass a WRITTEN credential in order to become a major. Then, of course, Invictus games - whoever brainstormed that for Harry earned a bonus. Of course, being Harry, it is on its way to ending ignominiously, with Harry neglecting his responsibilities, leaving all the work to others, and showing up at the end to reap the glory while demanding his wife get her turn in the spotlight, making a speech to all those who actually did the work. Not only was he do nothing this year, he was a dick about it, with his only contribution a demand that Meghan be allowed to speak.

What Harry SHOULD have been doing is what Will does for his own projects - build alliances, make himself available, cultivate the money and the resources to keep the games going, share the $$ and the responsibilities, and spreading the credit around, refocusing on the athletes and those supporting them at every opportunity. Instead Harry has used the games three years running as a platform for his love life.

Stupidity MUST be very freeing, R511. Very freeing, not to worry about those pesky facts. Though what an odd hill to die on: Why the obsession with the idea that Harry must only have the money his mother left him? The poster is taking it all so PERSONALLY. I'd suspect it's Harry himself trolling us, but the spelling is too good.

[quote]What Harry SHOULD have been doing is what Will does for his own projects - build alliances, make himself available, cultivate the money and the resources to keep the games going, share the $$ and the responsibilities, and spreading the credit around, refocusing on the athletes and those supporting them at every opportunity. Instead Harry has used the games three years running as a platform for his love life.

Yes, but that requires work. Not really difficult work, as he'd still have had tons of minions doing all the really annoying stuff, but still, some kind of focus and concentration would be necessary. That's not Harry's strong suit. Like his mum, Harry likes to swoop in, talk to a few folks, get the photo op, and then split for the nearest yacht.

R483, but if Harry gets out of the marriage and the baby deflates and goes away somehow, what then? The "What then" is how he got into this mess, and he still hasn't solved it. Does he have the skill set for a mature married relationship? He seems to enjoy interaction that relates to animals and kids, but does he enjoy it away from the cameras as well, does he enjoy the non playful parts, non photo op parts?

Whatever one says about Andrew, Andrew enjoyed being a father. His daughters gave his life a reference point and organizing principle. People assume that Harry would adore a home full of dogs and kids. If so, what's he doing partying his ass off at Soho house at an age when even the most reprobate of his pals have married and settled down? Wouldn't he be out in the country, enjoying sports, etc.?

And why marry a Hollywood "actress"? As I'm typing this, I think his apparent priority, that a bride be comfortable with the media - is a decoy. Truly, while the attention on Will and Kate increases with time, the attention on the sixth in line decreases, so a Hollywood level of media savvy was not a requirement, unless Harry was after someone who shared his drive to remain at a Hollywood level of celebrity and a Hollywood level of media attention. Then it makes sense, even though she's turned out to be a disaster. But it is certainly not the partner you choose if you want the home life people pretend Harry wants.

The more you hear about Harry and Megs, the more they sound like Duke and Duchess of Windsor 2.0.

R481 possibly Megsy wanted the "apartment next to Wills and Kate" so she could entertain herself going after Will. Losing her way, going through the wrong door and ending up in their apartment. Dropping the towel - "Oops!" then eye contact. (I'm putting her through Movie of the Week paces here.) She wouldn't end up in Kate's position but as a zero sum narcissist a second best ambition would be to fuck up Kate's home life.

[quote]I suspect that may prove to be one of her biggest problems: accepting the notion that there is no place else to go. She's too used to looking for the next step up, which provides a certain mojo of its own. But that clock has stopped - I wonder if she misses it.

Insightful post, R481. Meghan was kind of shitty at finding the next step in Hollywood: Suits was the best she could do! You'd think, having taken one helluva step up from where she used to be, she'd enjoy the rest. But there is no rest for the toxically narcissistic!

Except Wallis was uber groomed, r516. Always. And well mannered - at least on the surface.

You should enjoy this clip, R517

I was thinking of that same Windsor TV episode, r520. Thanks!

[quote]possibly Megsy wanted the "apartment next to Wills and Kate" so she could entertain herself going after Will.

I'm American. I hug.

I'm American. I clean.

R481, I think there IS a next step for Meghan. Sorry to keep repeating myself, but I think she’s going to use her unique position to try to nab a billionaire, her very own Aristotle Onassis.

She won’t try for any British aristos/old money this time. She’s probably spitting mad that her BEST FRIEND Serena Williams nabbed Ohanian. She’ll need someone famous, too. Wealthy isn’t enough. Being seen in small social circles like New York high society wont be enough. She’s going to want to be a cover girl forever.

This is not her last stop on the FAME TRAIN.

What happened to Harry's romance with that pretty actress from the Victoria series? Who dumped who? Don't know how suitable she would be, but she's far better looking and definitely more talented than Meghan.

Americans in showbiz tend to not come to Canada to seek their fortunes. It's the exact reverse. Canadians wants to make it big in the entertainment industry, go to the U.S. So, for Miss Sparkles to take a low tier cable show in Toronto and work at that grindstone for 7 years (part-time) tells you all you need to know about the panic and desperation the 37 year old must have been feeling.

As far as being content with sticking with a married chef, that guy was just a rung on the ladder. Sparkles wasn't hanging around with the likes of Trudeau, Mulroneys and seeking UN - level publicity for her "great humanitarianism" to stay with a CHEF for the rest of her life.

--- BTW, in the broader scheme, "chefs" cook for Royals. Smegs was not going to settle for being married to a "fancy kitchen cook."

Well, if you want to be Princess Diana, I suppose marrying her son might seem like a logical step, R523.

Though Diana's life ended so suddenly and tragically (after months and months of lousy publicity), you wouldn't think anybody would take her as a model, but perhaps Meghan thinks she'll do better.

R523 She might just pull it off. If someone as ugly as Wendy Deng could do it, I can definitely see Meghan going after a Branson or a Zuckerberg.

If she manages that kind of coup at what would by then have to be 40-something, I'll almost have to admire the utter ruthlessness and shamelessness such a feat would require.

I think Diana was borderline with narcissist traits, but not a clinical narcissist. Someone on another website recounted their first job after getting their graduate degree was in the Kensington area. On summer afternoon in 1995, she saw a woman with a cane struggling with her bundles. The handle had broken on one and fruit was rolling on the sidewalk. An Audi pulled up, a blonde woman in athletic garb got out, helped the woman with her packages, opened the boot of the car and put in the packages, then opened the passenger door. The woman was beaming but also practically crying.

There was no social media at the time to share this on, no mobile phones. It was just the recent grad and a couple of passers by who were very excited to see Diana in the flesh.

I've seen some of the worst of Diana on video. Her goddamn interviews where she is nothing but Charles and Camilla's victim despite her own stalking of married men and ghosting of friends. A conversation with her speech coach (that her estate resisted being released but was released anyway) in which she's sort of slouched or curled on a sofa or chair, her head tilted, and in the course of ten minutes manages to slam seven people - all just in passing as little Diana talked about how naive little her was forced to deal with the malignancy of others because nobody else would and it was down to little old her. It's Diana bravely confronting her father about the Evil Stepmother. It's Diana portraying Jane? as clinging to Charles' neck whenever Diana was around - the implication her sister was jealous and threatened Charles might like Diana. (A ludicrous scenario by Diana - her sister was never that into Charles). It's the queen being of no use and no help. And on and on.

But then I look at video of her going about her engagements and duties with Charles and without, with her children and without, and she's absolutely foot perfect. She's charming but not OTT with it, she has the sort of presence where she can take charge of the encounter and make the other person feel they are doing things right, she is appropriate. At other occasions in her life she grandstanded, sought attention, rebelled, but when she was on the job she was really good.

Is it true some borderlines improve with age? Maybe that happened with her, although her ghosting Hasnat Kahn and taking up with the Fayads are not promising signs, I guess.

By way of comparison, Deng has a few more brain cells than MerchAgain. For starters:

She enrolled at California State University, Northridge, where she studied economics and was among the top scoring students. She obtained a bachelor's degree in economics from California State University at Northridge and an MBA from the Yale School of Management.

If she tries a Zuckerberg, Priscilla will do a Wendy Deng and chop Meagain!

I have read that some borderlines do improve when they reach middle age R529, so if Diana could have made it 5 more years or so, perhaps she'd have been okay.

Well Diana can’t defend herself now is it ? The woman is dead for 22 years or longer. But PC is a saint now and Diana the devil . And did she trow herself from the stairs or is it a lie . I never heard of it before . And the fact that she manipulated everyone from 19 years old ,I never believed that . She was fucking 19 years old . You are not an adult at that age . If he had waited till she was 25 years it would have been a different ballgame . She was a brood mare nothing more for PC . He always had his eyes on Camilla and after his marriage even more so

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r533 Diana wasn't 19 when she married Charles she was 20. The law says that you are an adult from the age of 18, 16 for some things. I heard about Diana throwing herself down the stairs years ago, and them getting shrinks up from London on the honeymoon. I don't know how true this but these rumours have been circulating in the UK for at least 20 years if not more.

Yes the woman has been dead for 22 years and still people can't move on from the sainted Diana and the evil Charles & Camilla. It takes two people to make and marriage and two people to break a marriage. Charles and Diana were two people who should have never got married and ended up being very unhappy together as a result. Neither one of them were perfect or evil, just humans who made mistakes. Whether Diana could have been happy with anyone, we'll sadly never know. She came across to me as someone who had mental health issues that were unresolved but then I never worshipped at the alter of St. Diana.

Back on topic Sparkle really does seem to have some creepy fixation with Diana. The tinhatters have been cataloguing her wearing of similar outfits, with similar poses for quite some time but now it seems to be appearing in the mainstream media. Poor Sparkle a diet of Disney and Diana to feed her fantasies, not realising until it was too late that marrying the 6th in line to the British throne is not at all the same thing as marrying the 1st or 2nd.

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I believe that Diana had her faults like everyone else and I also think that PC had fault . But the narratieve is now that ‘s he ‘s a saint and did nothing wrong and she was a manipulative bitch . And that’s what makes me furious . She was far to young to marry a prince . I mean look at the kids nowadays even look at PH who’s now 34 years old but acts like a kid . But Diana was thrown before the lions the minute she became a love intrest for PC . I can remember when I was 20 years I wouldn’t have survived that media scrutiny .

This is weird, no? Who else would be releasing these?

New photo at the time of the Garden Party at Buckingham Palace (the couple left early).

Why would any man interested in someone like Deng want someone like Merching? What she might want, or feel she deserves, and what she can GET, esp after this debacle, are very different.

Her nose job is poor, her profile is atrocious.

Exactly, r540. Just one small example. Here's Anton, the son of Russian billionaire Boris Zingarevich and wife Yekaterina Damankova - a Victoria Secret supermodel.

Hah, I was googling all the financial stuff, none of which has an actual source, including the major outlets (no, we saw the documents, the papers were made available, the information was provided), and I come across NEW headline. "How EUGENIE has MILLIONS from her great grandmother the queen mother."

Eugenie just got semi-famous, her moment in the sun, so now it's decided she TOO got a healthy bequest from Lizzy Sr. totalling in the millions. My goodness, the old lady's cash on hand must have been far more than anyone previously "estimated" or "believed."

Are you still on that, R542? How tedious.

Well, R540, Piers Morgan thought she was hot and glamorous when they met. Of course he dislikes her now -she ghosted him after they "met for drinks" (new euphamism?). He described her clothes, that she turned heads in the bar, and he believed that a lot of men had been "annoyingly persistent" now that she was single (More backhanded self-complimenting from Megsy)

Of course, she looks terrible now. And she hadn't showed her ass across Australia and Oceana then. AND her make-up and clothing were being styled by the genius Suits team.

Never mind.

The hall monitoring is ridiculous. If people try to stop you, write about it more.

Nobody is stopping anyone. But nor do we have to humor the craziness.

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A rocket should have gone off as a warning when Harry found that he was not going to meet her father and most of her family.

It wouldn't have taken much to read Sparkle's own glowing comments about her father.

If she persisted in refusing to let him meet her father, he should have ghosted her.

The signs were all there. He chose not to pay attention.

Hijacking the hijacker...

EXCLUSIVE: Meghan Markle’s baby birth to be HIJACKED by sister launching TELL-ALL book

MEGHAN Markle’s sister will hijack the birth of the Duchess and Prince Harry’s baby by launching a bombshell tell-all book, Daily Star Online can reveal.

Samantha Markle will spill-secrets and “hold nothing back” in April or May – when Meghan Markle’s baby is due – and unleash “In the Shadows of The Duchess”.

The 53-year-old has vowed to “cover everything” in the book, which was previously titled “The Diary of Princess Pushy’s Sister”, “from lullabies to lies”.

She told Daily Star Online: “In The Shadows Of The Duchess covers everything… the world does not know truth total truth… (I’m) holding nothing back!

“The book covers everything that goes on behind the scenes that the world does not know and trust me there is a lot.”

Damn, that should be a fun read.

Modernizing the RF by turning into a 40 year old Kendall Jenner? At least Kris monetizes it all. Hard to tell WTF is going on here.

R547 Emma Thynn, Viscountess Weymouth is the daughter of a corrupt Nigerian oilman/billionaire. Like Chelsy - she of uncombed hair and dishevelled mini dresses - Emma can wear whatever the hell she wants. It is her Nigerian money that is going to keep those Bath ruins from crumbling.

Cressida Bonas is a low IQ nitwit trying to break into Hollywood. She won't - she has little talent and no charisma. Once she finds a suitably wealthy man, she will fade away and spend her time as her half sister, Isabella. She never had any interest in devoting her life to royal duties.

Megan and her sister look a lot alike. Weird though that people buy someone that much older who didn’t really grow up with Meghan is “in the know.”

R507 we're a gossip site. All gossip is enjoyed about the Grifter. Try to relax. FWIW, I'm enjoying ALL the gossip. Pls stop trying to "curate" this thread.

Also, remember, there are literally a ton of gossipy queens who work and live in the Palace. Being British they will be her BFF to her face, but they could be blabbing to Tumblr, Reddit, CD, here, although I'm not sure many queens in the UK know about us here. Google in the UK is quite horrible.

And darlings outsiide of the USA (& in the USA if you don't know about this), pls start using duckduckgo instead or startpage for your search engines. Google is a censorious fucking monster, and I say this as a person who owns a lot of stock in google.

Just remembered some gossip about Emma Thynn, who is also biracial & I'm sure that MM will want to bring her in close due to the identity thing - Emma's husband & Emma knew each other from childhood but he was never attracted to her till she started wearing weaves & straightening her hair.

And, yk, would Harry have been attracted to MM if she had her 4c hair & hadn't lightened her skin when she met him?

Just something to think about and I think it's very sad that these ladies feel they must have fake hair in order to attract the white guy they want. Frankly I love 4c hair.

Pls open thread #25 we're dangerously close to the cliff here. TY

Wonder if the the book deal is actually signed sealed and delivered (as in advance money in Sam's hands) or if Sam is floating this rumor in yet another attempt for hush money.

Pa Markle could probably get a better book deal as he has way more info and wounds to elaborate on. I think that's his trump card he is holding onto for the big payday, the book deal complete with never before seen pics. He knew she was tungsten way before Charles did and that she'll just flick off anything he reveals like a speck of dust off her shoulder. In a roundabout way Bean is helping him with his retirement, he'll cash in his trump card after the pics of Doria at the christening are released.

[quote]Cressida Bonas is a low IQ nitwit trying to break into Hollywood. She won't - she has little talent and no charisma

Gee, this sounds like someone familiar. Any guesses anyone?

R553 People can complain about what they want. We can bitch about the amount of fan fiction and the 500 posts about what Harry did or did not inherit and from where. It isn't an attempt at "curating" (please god let that word die in a grease fire) it is just an expression of some poster's pet peeves or frustrations. My particular bugaboo is the use of the word "sugar". So what?

Oh, and cute move there using your post to insert a humblebrag about having a lot of stock in google. Well, smell you!

R553, drink some bleach. Hypocrite.

Part 25 Dangling Tendrils continued.

This thread is really moving fast. Part 25 is at the ready when this one fills up.

Thread already done SSAA r561.

- Original OP.

r554 IIRC Emma's husband is around 12 years older than her, so if he was attracted to her in childhood he would have been pedo. I'm sure straight hair helps white men become attracted to women they wouldn't otherwise be attracted to but I wonder if in this case it might also be her age - she was an adult and age appropriate for him to be attracted to.

I don't think we've seen or heard of Harry dating anyone who isn't white, so I think not. Sparkle's can pass for some flavour of white so I can imagine Dimwit was very surprised to find out she was biracial.

I vote for the SSAA 3 thread.

R563 MM is clearly biracial and I think Harry likes that - another way to say "fuck you" to the RF.

Harry is a Dunning-Kruger poster child, a dumb ass who considers himself far brighter than he is, and probably thinks he's street smart when he's nothing like.

Just like his brother, all his life he's moved among people with money. When William was at St. Andrews, he did the same. His friends were the privately educated public school crowd, not the "others". Even people who didn't have TONS of money had access, connections, safety nets, family property, access, history. So he meets Meghan, who is a friend of Sophie Trudeau (prime minister's wife) and Jessica Mulroney (ex prime minister's daughter-in-law. She has quite a small house in Toronto, but it's just meant to be location housing (technically, she's filming on location so the network pays while the show is filming). She's well-travelled and college-educated. He probably never gave it much thought, just default assumed money was there somehow. If not family MONEY, than surely her family had a little bit of money. Or she had, as the sugars fantasize, made millions on Suits (I always choke on that idea - there are regional managers who make more annually than she did). She had all the signs of someone well traveled and well-heeled. He didn't do the math in his head - this is her only steady work in the industry, EVER. Her family isn't around. She doesn't have a second residence in L.A., which, logically, should have been where her career is based. He should have known he was the brass ring.

I think he LIKED being her savior.

Sparkle has been cast as caucasion all of her life, identified as caucasian on her resume, and did the biracial route only as a self-promotion angle. She is not "clearly biracial" at all. She is "ambiguously ethnic" - an extremely popular casting category, which makes it odd that she worked so little. There are white actresses who are ambiguously ethnic, there are biracial actresses who are ambiguously ethnic. Everyone who watched CEG thought Vera Lovell was Indian but she's biracial. If you put Rashida Jones and Wendy Moniz next to one another without having seen either before, would you know which one was Portugese and which was biracial? How about DWTs Cheryl Burke? Is she "clearly biracial" or is she Filipino?

I believe he liked the idea of coming to her emotional rescue as she presented herself to him, but her financial rescue? No way. That's a hole you can't dig your way out of. Here she was a woman who was completely self-made, no help from her family, scholarships, financial aid, side jobs, all because her family was no account (except for mom, who was cut from the same cloth - hard working, self-made, only her grit and talent helped her advance, get educated, start a business). And here she is, mid-thirties, having come all this way on her own, a healthy bank account, a thriving job in show business, and well-connected in Canadian society. It's a tribute to her talent, her native intelligence, her incredible work ethic, and her grace! It's sad she's never had a proper family, but thankfully, Harry has plenty of family!

He wasn't saving her from not having anything, he was rescuing her from not having had family support.

Of course, she isn't self-made at all. Daddy paid for everything, it's still unclear even from her own past interviews if she actually graduated from Northwestern, and Trevor got her the job on Suits. Even when she worked, she overspent, which might be why Daddy is stuck down in Mexico. I wouldn't lose his phone number if I were her.

R553 probably has as much stock in Google as citations for his theories about the Queen Mother's trust fund structures. That would be none.

Citations? This isn't a term paper, it's Datalounge. It's gossip and speculation. It's supposed to be fun. You've made your point repeatedly. You sound unhinged.

Below is a link to the BRF's own press release about the disposition of the Queen Mother's estate, the bulk of which was left to her daughter. I'd like to know how The Guardian and the BBC got private info on how the "bulk of an estate" that was four million quid in deficit had enough left over for large trusts for her six grandchildren AND six million quid each for her two great grandchildren.

https www royal uk will queen elizabeth queen mother

If Diana's bloody trusts were a matter of public record, why wouldn't the Queen Mother's be? She made a series of small bequests to staff and left a bit to each of the six grandchildren and the rest went to pay off her estate's debts.

The Windsor boy's main incomes are from the trusts Diana left them and however much from the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall Charles decides to give them.

Which is where we get back to Sparkle's tax issues: Harry's income, including what his father gives them, is now income on which the American tax service has a right to tax.

No, the US can’t tax Harry’s income unless he agrees to file a joint return. They cannot even access his information. They can tax Markle until she renounces US citizenship.

R500 - I put up a link to the press release from the BRF itself about the disposition of the Queen Mother's will, from which it is quite clear that the BBC was wrong, so you can shut the fuck up. First of all, they said, "it is reported". They didn't say by whom, though, did they? Given that the press release states that the BULK OF THE ESTATE was left to the Queen herself, how does two-thirds of the estate get set up for two trusts for the two wealthiest boys in the family WHOSE FATHER IS THE FUCKING PRINCE OF WALES AND WELL ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, unlike, say, Beatrice and Yuge, and Margaret's two kids, and Ann and Edward?!

It makes absolutely no sense, it is not recorded anywhere, and TW0-THIRDS of the estate would most certainly add up to the BULK OF THE ESTATE, which on the public record, WENT TO THE QUEEN.

So, yeah, believe it or not the BBC was wrong, "It is reported" means they listened to an unreliable source.

The bulk of the estate went to the Queen. The estate was four million in debt.

And now you can shut the fuck up.

[quote] if she actually graduated from Northwestern

OK. Let's be definite about this.

I am not a Sparkle fan so did some research months back and found her name "Rachel Meghan Markle" in the 2003 Annual Commencement Program. (Some other Markle sites picked up my info, so you might have seen it elsewhere.)

See Link Below.

Go Page 21 - Under Heading "Bachelor of Science in Communications" ... "Candidates for degree, June 20, 2003"

Third column, 16th from the bottom

"Rachel Meghan Markle"

You're welcome, Dataloungers.

Thanks R575 but I thought "candidate for degree" meant you were on track to completion, but does not mean you graduated/received the degree. However, I am no expert on this at ALL, and could be completely wrong. She fudges so many things, or bigs them up so I'm always wary. Great digging!

R505 - I provided the source you rude cunt: the press release from the office of Buckingham Palace. If that's not good enough for you, go fuck yourself.

I repeat: "THE BULK OF THE ESTATE WAS LEFT TO HER DAUGHTER"

How does the "bulk of the estate" go to the Queen whilst "two-thirds of the estate" go to trusts for six grandchildren and a horde of great-grandchildren, two of whom are the ones who need it least, and with an estate four million in debt"

If you can find out how the fucking BBC squared "two-thirds of the estate" going to trusts, while the BRF itself asserted "the bulk of the estate" going somewhere else, I'd be glad to hear how this amazing metaphysical feat was accomplished in which "the bulk of the estate" and "two-thirds of the estate" went in two different directions.

Because when I took maths in school, two thirds would most definitely be "the bulk of the estate".

Which went to the Queen.

The ceremony for a university degree is formally called convocation, where the degree is awarded/granted/conferred. So her listing in the program indicates she was candidate to receive it at that convocation.

Got it. Thanks R578!

R542 is someone else.

It's one person who keeps coming in, hall monitoring, pretending she is speaking for numerous people when she speaks for herself, she believes she alone can decide what is tiresome on a "pointless bitchery" site, and what she has decided is tiresome is surrogate talk. And tumblr. Protesting too much is not the problem. Nobody is blocking that talk, but plenty of people are blocking her.

R577, I am too lazy too scroll up to R505, so I'm worried one of my posts may have been misinterpreted when I myself held forth about sourcing (but aimed towards those who think the reports of the queen mother leaving millions to Harry are true) . But if not, GOD BLESS you. Exactly.

Apparently the candidacy does not mean she graduated.

I made the same assumption but learned differently. Thanks for the link and the excerpt, but that's already been published everywhere.

This spin attempt has not stopped, now pushed by Yahoo, and it is SO offensive. The clear implication is that people who work for the RF are lazy do nothings who need to be whipped into shape by this Z lister bitch.

Prince Harry only got definite once during the engagement interview, when Sparkle was musing that perhaps their relationship had been going on "a little bit more?" when sixteen or eighteen months was mentioned. If memory serves, he wasn't willing to insinuate it had been going on any longer than that.

Since we've circled back to it I might as well mention this. To the person who said the BBC was a reliable source, nowadays the BBC is not the worst source but during the 00s which is the period you're referring to they were considered an unreliable source and they were also known to be very biased. Going back to the 80s they were caught using doctored videos and photos, you can still find information about some of the times they were caught online. They coasted on the reputation they had for years and they definitely didn't live up to it. I remember a nickname for them back then in the early 00s was British Bathroom Cleaners. Some of their non domestic news is still sloppy.

R572, the story goes that in an audacious estate planning gambit, the QM set up trusts for her grandchildren and great grandchildren using her cash on hand to fund the trusts. Without looking it up, I recall that she was gambling on living another seven years even though she was in her early 90s when she set up the trusts. Apparently if she'd kicked the bucket any sooner, even the trusts would be hit by death taxes, but if she outlived the seven years they'd avoid the estate taxes. So the trusts were no longer part of her estate when she died, and her estate went to the queen. The trusts for the grandchildren and great grandchildren had been set up years prior and so were not part of the estate.

The problem is, where the fuck did a queen mother notorious for overspending , who was constantly in debt, whose daughter bailed her out and supplemented her income, get the millions of pounds in cash to structure multi million dollar trusts for her six grandchildren and however many great grandchildren she had at the time, or, if you prefer, where did she get the cash to structure multi-million dollar trusts that she decided should go to William and Harry, the sons of the fabulously wealthy Prince of Wales, instead of to grandchildren and greats more in need?

This fairy tale supposes the queen mother, in her early nineties, was liquid to the tune of enough to set up lucrative income producing trust funds for all of her grandchildren and existing greats, OR, liquid enough to set up William and Harry alone (I can't even type that, it's so absurd) in income-producing trusts substantial enough to rival their inheritance from their mother? Did she ask her daughter the Queen for a big fat loan?

R587 is freaking out as if her inability to explain some aspects of private finances negates what is actually established fact. I don't know what's weirder... her anger or her ignorance.

I can't with this thread anymore. It's ridiculous. Filled with real no hopers.

why in the name of common sense and reality would they publish in the program for the day the name of someone who wasn't going to get a degree?

Fuck me with a chainsaw some of you people live in parallel universes.

Whether or not she graduated, Markle has let it be known that she attended Northwestern as a double major in theater and "international studies" and it turns out she was pursuing the most basic of the basic degrees - "Communications".

She also got married (later annulled) as a student - busy, busy!

R592 Is there nothing about her that she doesn't spin, inflate or flat out lie about? I wanted to like her at first, I figured what the hell, how bad could it be? Well, pretty bad it turns out. This is turning into an advent calendar from hell. Every fucking day there is some new lie uncovered, leaks to the press, staff leaving, gates of all kinds most famously Tiara gate. I really hope she isn't pregnant. I'm sure I am wrong, but I really do hope it desperately so she isn't forever connected to the BRF except as a deeply regrettable footnote. Kick her out with some parting gifts and a wave, and turn the page on this disastrous chapter.

R591 Proof? These things are public record ya know.

"Is there a spy in Kensington Palace?

That’s the question Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, wants answered."

Your article is behind a paywall r594.

First husband, NW student, now criminal attorney, it was annulled

Dude dodged a cannonball!

3rd wedding did NOT turn out to be a charm

R596 Thanks for that! Dude has butch dyke vibes.

More here about MMs Citizenship / Potential tax issues

Time for bed (hopefully!)

Happy continued pointless bitchery at Part 25

R568 You are deranged. MM is clearly biracial and you are a lunatic to describe her as Caucasian.

I never picked up on that before: the "dual major" vs degree in Communications.