When will women go back to styled hair, not this tousled crap that takes hours and looks like hell?

Then style your hair, OP. No one's stopping you.

Don't know what you mean, OP. 80 percent of the women I see or know all have the same cut (long, straight, stringy). Whether it suits them or not (and for many, it does not.)

R1, you're missing the point. I shaved my head. It's what I have to look at on others that I find disturbing.

Not enough women have the Can I Talk To Your Manager Haircut.

Yeah, well none of us are excited to look at your misshapen head, baldy. You can deal with women doing the "beachy" look with their hair.

R5, you're wrong again. I wound up with a perfectly shaped head which is why I shave my hair

[quote]I wound up with a perfectly shaped head

Indeed.

Women's hair should be elegantly coiffed at all times went out in public. It must be neatly styled and secured away from the face.

Enough of this bullshit of women trying to appear young, when they're not, by trying to appear as if they've just stepped off a tennis court, when they haven't. Poorly cut then moussed and scrunched is NOT good enough, ladies.

"Ladies should all shave their heads, just like me."

Women have been letting men's expectations define how they look or what constitutes acceptable feminine ideals for centuries. It's time for women to get to shave their heads, a la Furiosa in Mad Max, or pixie cuts and faux hawks if they want a little hair, and if men like long hair they can exhort their sons to grow theirs out and style it. Frankly, since men are prone to male pattern baldness, they should have long hair from childhood through their twenties since their window of opportunity is narrower. Incidentally we should also bring back tights for men, as many guys have beautiful, muscular calves - they're much more attractive in tights than women's shapeless calves.

Veronica Lake herself complained about her peekaboo hairstyle, as it basically had the effect of wearing an eyepatch over one eye. Modern women have no time or patience to go backwards to the days of oils and curlers anymore than they're going to resume wearing hoop skirts and whale bone corsets.

You forgot the "Nobody gives a shit" option. I'd check that.

Where's the "Die in an AquaNet fire, OP" option?

You shave your head because you’re BALD, OP. You have no fucking right to criticize anyone else’s appearance, so STFU.

Didn't see this as a choice in the poll, and that's just wrong. Shockingly wrong.

My mother has been rotating the Lady Bird Johnson, Pat Nixon and Rosalyn Carter styles for as long as I've been alive OP. She's 86 though.

When you pay for someone to come to my house every day and style my hair for me... (just add that to the list with everything else)

Do you also expect women to go back to only getting their hair washed about every month (at the salon, before getting their hair perfectly set and coiffed)?

Although I do agree with you about how the overly long, limp, bedraggled look, especially on women over 30, is pretty stale (but don't tell Mrs. Armie Hammer that).

ombre coloring is way worse than the tussled look. HATE this new black roots on purpose look.

Something like this perhaps?

R19, I actually prefer crypt keeper with hairspray to this ridiculous mess.

The Anne Murray thread made me wonder when short hair for girls is going to make a comeback. I think a lot of women have it drilled into their heads that men like long hair so they're trying to be eternally HAWT but man, a lot of them just end up looking like old hippies or Kim Davis.

Women stopped caring what bitchy queens thought of them 20 years ago dear.

Yeah, we kind of guessed.

My blue/green/purple lowlights make me unique because everyone's doing them!

This style is fun, fashion-forward, and looks good on everyone!

Historically, I think women look their absolute worst these days. There is NO style.

The ponytailed look is just plain lazy. And sisters wearing wigs and lacefronts all the time. Lazy. White women are wearing weaves and extensions too...so artificial. Women are being lazy and are no longer putting effort into their hair.

OP I am a woman and you are a man, a gay man at that......I couldn't care less about what you or any other man wants lol. You don't like pussy so what it's to you? Lol! All joking aside I have had gay men just come out of their mouth and say this shit to me. And you wonder why so many women just don't like you.

Styled hair takes hours and means you have to sleep in the styling stuff - the pins, the rollers, the scarf, the glop. No thank you. Why don't you start a trend for styled hair for men?

R29 Look around, the trend for men is in effect!

I've noticed gay guys getting fatter and fatter. It's kind of an eyesore, please lose weight! And while you're at it, your facial hair really is not doing your jowls any favors .

Bring back the flip!

Having styled well cut and well colored hair (if you go with color) does not require the crap you list R29. It means brushing your hair. Paying attention to what flatters. Caring.

30's - 40's wave are the summum of sophistication. Marcel waves all the way.

[r10]Women have been letting men's expectations define how they look or what constitutes acceptable feminine ideals for centuries.

This is utter bullshit, R10. Women have been choosing their styles to meet other women's expectations since picking out lice around the campfire.

When will Eldergay Boomers with their Donna Reed fixations die and leave others in peace and stop nagging about their bullshit expectations?

R36 They're just miserable. Nothing sadder than an old queen, as they say, and misery loves company

When they stop wearing flannel pajama bottoms to the store.

I’m tired of middle-aged women dying their hair shocking pink or purple.

The cost of having well cut hair is prohibitive for some women. I have friends who say a color/cut/blow out is on average 150.00 plus tips every time they go. Some can’t afford to go every 5 weeks.

[quote]I’m tired of middle-aged women dying their hair shocking pink or purple.

I’ll bet they’re tired of your undercut or hipster beard or whatever dumb trend you’re following. Or not.

I think everyone complaining about women’s appearances in this thread need to post a pic of themselves first. That would be quite interesting, I’m sure.

It's funny how much gay men care about women's appearance, because I don't even think about theirs. I'm sad for them, must be hell inside those judgmental skulls.

OP, you're a hair hopper.

So the long stringy hair is slowly fading away and short bob cuts are coming in.

Short bob cuts that make the young women who wear them look boring and frau-ish, and no more styled than the slobs with pony tails. At least long hair can be pretty and can be made into different styles if a lady cares to make the effort for once, while the dull new bobs can never be anything but dull new bobs.

Dangling tendrils and King Charles spaniels floppy hair dangling over your boobies MAY look OK from the front.

But most females don't have enough hair on their back so they sweep it all forwards on to their fronts.

It's dopey.

If you don't want to be treated like our bitchy little accessories, stop acting like it.

The only thing sadder than an old queen is an old feminist desperately trying to pretend that it doesn't matter how far she's let herself go. Show enough self-respect to be well-groomed. You don't have to have an elaborate hairstyle, a ton of makeup or the latest fashion, just don't go around looking like an unmade bed. You know who you are, don't bother to deny it.

You know who else needs to heed that very sound advice? Men who go around looking like unmade beds. You think Steve Bannon is any more acceptable than some old lady shambling around looking like hell? He's not.

Nobody should go around deliberately looking like an unmade bed. Not only does it lack self-respect, it shows a total lack of respect for others. No excuses. No whining. Get your act together and clean it up.

R46 For sure, everyone should try to look their best. The problem is gay guys consistently pipping their opinion on women, as if their shit doesn't stink. Plenty of fat, unwashed masses in that demographic.

This is great hair, Bitches! Should be, for what they paid to buy it!

The majority of Americans make zero effort to look good, or at least, make no effort after age thirty or so.

I don't understand it, and I don't mean that everyone should wear fashionable designer crap. No, clothes that fight right and that flatter the wearer at least a little can be had for the same cost as clothes that don't, yet few take even that much trouble.

It's a gay men's gossip site, R46. Gay men offering our frequently critical opinions on women (and everything else) is what we do here. It's an old site, we've been around on the Internet for decades. We've always been the same, no surprises. What did you think you were doing?

If you choose to visit the Datalounge, gay men being critical is what you are choosing. This is what I don't get, if you hate it so much, enough to complain about it all the time, why do you keep coming here? It's not as if there's a shortage of alternative websites to visit.

Wait a minute, R50. Are you saying that gay men have not evolved in decades and are posting the same crap for years? Do you mean gays of a certain age or all gays?

Easier said than done. Like other posters have said, a lot of women don't have the time or money to please your delicate sensibilities. There's also the fact that not all hair types respond well to traditional styling techniques.

For example, I naturally have coarse & dry/frizzy but fine (Caucasian) big curls which are a headache to style with any styling product cheap or expensive. Even regular 'bespoke' salon treatment goes south on hair like mine. It splits the second I come within 5ft. of a brush and most shampoos/conditioners strip it and leave it dull.

The only way to get my hair to settle is to leave it alone where possible - meaning little-to-no brushing, sparse product, washing it once a week max, keeping steam or water exposure to a minimum, absolutely no flat-irons/dryers. If I don't let my hair do its own thing or I try to fight its nature, it turns into a matted tumbleweed. If I tried some of the crispy Aquanet styles depicted above I think my hair would crack and break clean off my head.

Don't be disingenuous, R50. This thread and easily 100 more have been posted over the years specifically as trollbait.

OP waaaay overplayed his hand with the "women must do what I say they do, while no such demands will ever be made of me because I am a man" replies early on.

And this isn't just about being sexist, it's homophobic. The whole idea of gays being the bitchy friends who know more than women do about style died out about 20 years ago. Most of us moved on. I suggest you consider doing the same.

[quote] HATE this new black roots on purpose look.

It's been around for at least six years. If you don't know enough to know that it's not only not new, but has been falling out of favor for a couple of years, then you don't know enough to say jack shit about fashion.

Is it THAT difficult, modern day trollops? Make some damn effort.

Gaga needs to try a June Allyson.

Give me a break, R53. For the every occasional thread observing how young women today all look like they style their hair with a weedwacker and probably outweigh their fathers by 50 pounds, there are a hundred others commenting on how old and busted some stunning 30 year old actor has become.

[quote]Women stopped caring what bitchy queens thought of them 20 years ago dear.

Says the woman clicking on threads about what queens think of women on a bitchy queen website. WTF do you scolding, miserable cunts want?? Just fuck off and create your own site - we are going to merrily carry on amusing OURSELVES

[quote]If you don't want to be treated like our bitchy little accessories, stop acting like it.

Who is this addressed to?

Us, R59, if gay men don't want to be treated like the bitchy little accessories of straight women, we are not allowed to be critical of them. If we criticize, they will continue to treat us as non-persons with lesser lives, solely here to amuse them, as they have always done.

Talk about people who haven't kept up with the times, but never mind, they have no idea how awful they are to us and don't care. In turn, I feel no compunction about being awful to them. We're just props and a way for them not to do the work or spend the money building up their own site. They'd rather try to take over the Datalounge and turn it into some kind feminist bullshit site. They're so fucking lazy and cheap and so fucking typical. "Oh, forget about doing all that work and spending all that money for 20 years, we'll just take over your site!"

Happily, although they've been desperately trying to destroy it for years, the Datalounge remains the Datalounge, a great site for gay men. Grease fires are ready and waiting for the interfering interlopers.

[quote]it shows a total lack of respect for others.

How does someone's haircut or dye job disrespect you?

With declining wages and people having to work longer hours to stay employed, it's going to be a long time before women have the time and spare cash to go to the salon to get their hair set every week.

Which I understand, I really do.

I just have one request for the ladies: If you can't maintain a change of hair color then just live with the natural color, and don't walk around with five inches of roots. It looks so shabby.

[quote]it's going to be a long time before women have the time and spare cash to go to the salon to get their hair set every week.

Even most women who can afford to do not engage in this archaic activity any more. Weekly sets are for specific cases, but it's mostly older women who still talk about a "rinse and set." Most women wash their hair more than once a week and style their own hair daily.

This must end....

I've always found this hairstyle to be universally flattering on all women.

I really hate the new short, sloppy 'dos. Even long stringy hair looks better!

R66- I disagree.

The current style is repeating the 1840s look.

Lordy.. Mamie’s hair, yikes.

What else could Mamie do?

Woman with problem-faces have to wear short hair.

(Julie Andrews had to wear short hair because of her ski-nose. Claudette Colbert and Jane Wyman had shortish hair with a fringe to not dominate their nose-less faces.)

Mamie Eisenhower was fucked when it came to hair, her hair was thin and she came to prominence in a time of ugly hairstyles. All she really could have done was to make fabulous little hats her fashion trademark.

Still, there are worse hairstyles than Mamie's, like this one.

Mamie was a style ICON!

[quote]Short bob cuts that make the young women who wear them look boring and frau-ish, and no more styled than the slobs with pony tails. At least long hair can be pretty and can be made into different styles if a lady cares to make the effort for once, while the dull new bobs can never be anything but dull new bobs.

Bobs have been back in style for 2or 3 seasons; they are not boring, they look nice.

The bob will never go out of style.

A style like Grace Kelly sported is beautiful. Unfortunately, I have to wear bangs.

I like this one.

Cute.

This takes too much work to maintain.

R70 Julie Andrews didn't have a ski nose and she looked fine with longer hair. Few people look good with bangs. It's a hard look to pull off and they are too much upkeep.

R79 In 1963 P.L. Travers telephoned Andrews to say 'You're much too pretty [for Poppins], of course, but you've got the nose for it!'.

I remember the description of Julie Andrews having a 'ski nose' was uttered by Gilligan in an episode of 'Gilligan's Island' some time even before 'Sound of Music' was released. So that's 1964.

The 2008 memoirs describes her childhood appearance as "boss-eyed, bucktoothed and bandy", with a large nose and that that "The retroussé nose still surprises".

R60 Women are awful to you how, exactly? Funny, I always thought it was the straight men who treated gay men the most poorly, but since you don't want to fuck women, then they are the antichrist.

I do apologize for the old queen comment. We all get old, and many of us get miserable, regardless of sexual orientation.

And the "No girls allowed!" things just doesn't work on the free and open internet!

r3 then gouge out your eyes, no one is living for you.

"Why is my son sitting on the bench?"

"What do you mean my coupon is expired?"

"I don't like your attitude."

"I've been coming here EVERY WEEK for TEN YEARS!"

"I will definitely be taking my business elsewhere"

"Oh, that's a nice way to talk to a paying customer"

r60 The only women who fit your description that I know are the celebrity women who talk about us like we are their pets. In real life I don't know any women who act like you describe. If many of the women you know do treat you like that then maybe it's you and the kind of females you attract and not that all women are horrible towards gay men.

SMELL Miss R58!

SMELL

HER!

Ratty Korean Wigs are BACK!

R22 Yep that was always surprising for me when gay men tried to dictate female fashion, like why would a woman be interested in what a man find attractive about her looks when he is not sexually interested in her anyway? Like, do gay men care what women think about their looks?

I wouldn't call it "tousled." Meg Ryan has tousled hair n the 90s. Women's hair today looks dirty and uncombed

I'm amazed at the dirty looking hair on young female commentators on MSNBC. I expect the black rimmed eyeglasses, the one swag of white/purple hair blended in with the rest. But such dirty looking hair makes me feel like I can smell you through my tv. At least those old hippie chicks from the 60s with long straight hair parted down the middle had clean hair. Their male fuckmates' hair was dirty, tho.

I blame Amy Poehler and her horrible hair

Who cares what other people do with their hair? I'm struggling to see why anyone would give a shit about this.

Do young hair cutters even know how to do precision cuts anymore? They're obsessed with adding layers and raggedy ends, so that hair's natural shine gets lost. No attention is paid to flattering face and head shapes. Then they slap on damaging, flat, and ugly hair colors.

You can save money and achieve this look at home with a box of wine, dull kitchen shears, and a bottle of peroxide. (As my mother did, for decades.)

My favorite:

Louise Brooks

Op still wants to be a girl.

The trend is obviously transitioning away from ratty center parts to quirky and fun styles.

[quote]I blame Amy Poehler and her horrible hair

I actually feel sorry for Poehler. She has such fine hair, there is nothing she can do with it. And bleaching it out like Jean Harlow didn't help.

If I were her, I'd always wear a ratty Korean wig.

Women like Amy Poehler who have bad hair and a ton of money should just get really high-end wigs.

Women should look like fucked over whores.

In the 1970s, I recall my Mother watching TV and uncharacteristically volunteering, “When I was young, if we had hair like that, we wouldn’t leave the house!”

What about MY hair

This is why everyone hates you, you throwback cliche. Let me guess, do you lisp and flail a limp wrist around when you hiss and bitch your way through life?

Hey, OP. Did you know it was possible for a woman's hair to be short AND sassy?

I like the Ginger Rogers.

Also Bette Davis post makeover in Now, Voyager.

"I think when you're pretty it doesn't matter how you wear your hair."

Is it really so hard to do it up in a chignon or a French twist?

[quote] They're obsessed with adding layers and raggedy ends,

What’s that all about? You can’t have blunt cut hair anymore. “Ok, thanks, my hair looks great. I’m ....”

“NO! No no! I’m not finished!”

Grabs a hunk of hair, pulls it upward, and starts cutting the ends into jagged points to the right & jagged points to the left.

“What are you doing?”

“I’m making layers! I have to make layers or the hair won5 have shape.”

“My hair was shaped just fine until you attacked it! Please stop. I have fine hair and need to have it cut all the same length or it blows all over the place”

“No! You can’t have that! You need layering!”

“You’re not even layering. You’re just cutting the last four inches of my hair into a jagged mess.”

Hon, you've got to be firm with them. It's your hair.

My mother used to make my sister keep her hair like this picture. She wasnt allowed to have a different haircut. Then at about age 15 my sister rebelled against her and grew her hair out to all the same length and she has keep the same hairstyle ever sense then.

I was forced to have a horrific bowl haircut my whole childhood..... Maybe women are rebelling against the horrific ugly hair styles they were forced to have as children by not wearing their hair in fad hairstyles that will embarrass the hell out of them 10 years later.

[R114] be sure to post about your mother in the "was your mother cray?" thread. A mullet and a bowl cut all those years? The mullet is particularly cruel.

My mother used to get drunk and experiment with cutting my hair every few weeks. I grew up thinking I had been an ugly duckling, but recently looked a photos spanning my childhood and realized it was the freaky haircuts.

[quote] Hon, you've got to be firm with them. It's your hair.

Not when they’re holding onto it with a pair of scissors and an electric razor. You’ve got to be verrrrry careful what you say or you’ll wind up looking like Mamie Eisenhower

Hard to believe people actually WANTED their hair to look like this

I think the best look for women was the mid to late 60s bump bouffant look. I wish it would come back (I'm not talking about the huge bouffants though ).

NO hairdo thread is complete without......OH...MY....GAWD! There's a t-shirt!!!!

R94 Please don't use the words 'hair' and 'shit' in this thread!

American women were never lovelier than in the 1930s. Hairstyles were usually short, soft, and curly, but tidy. Hats and gloves were usually worn. Make-up as well, but it was minimal.

I prefer the 1930s styles to the 20s and 40s, which I both find rather extreme and less charming.

You can keep it smooth and sassy.

R117 The ones who refused to grow out of this style are the ones who organically shifted into the "speak to your manager" style.

Soft curls like these are like beautiful petals, framing the face like a flower.

I would love to see more celebrities with natural curls wearing those curls.

Veronica Lake loses the 'Peek-A-Boo' and changes her hair.

VICTORY ROLLS!!!!

r117 those fried perms were all over the place back in the day. Look at any high school yearbook. The tragic thing is that many women in more rural areas kept that hideous hairstyle well into the 1990s.

Tousled hair, in one form or another, will always be in style. Here's Farrah Fawcett:

Here's Kate Gosselin with a precision cut.

Cheryl Ladd commercial.

Pam Anderson, tousled.

Bring back bows!

Style icon Michelle Duggar.

Those 17th century ladies really had it going on.

The mens, too.

Here we have Billy Ray Cyrus sporting two hairstyle trends: blond highlights and a subdued mullet (business on top, party out back).

The 1930s and 40s had some classy looks. Sometimes I'll see one dressing and styling that far retro and makes it work.

I've always been partial to the short styles like La Liz has here. Sophia Loren also looked great with a similar short cut.

The 'speak to the manager' haircut is one of the most hideous hairstyles ever invented, right up there with the 80s spiral perm and big crusty bangs.

[quote]R52 The only way to get my hair to settle is to leave it alone where possible - meaning little-to-no brushing, sparse product, washing it once a week max, keeping steam or water exposure to a minimum, absolutely no flat-irons/dryers. If I don't let my hair do its own thing or I try to fight its nature, it turns into a matted tumbleweed.

Have you read the CURLY GIRL handbook? I’m sure you have...just wanted to acknowledge I know that living with curly hair can make hair care and styling twice as hard.

Good luck, you brave soul!

I actually think a lot of women will move towards shorter low maintenance cuts. Barbershops will become unisex. Another option will be hair like Jason Momoa's, long but also low maintenance.

R124 But they exist nowadays, and not just in womens fashion, look at Timothée Chalamet. Just a bit more easygoing, with more natural looking curls.

Is there an ideal style to create the illusion of a jawline? I have an oldlady peasant face and a recessed chin/rat mouth, and long hair either up (ponytail, chignon, bun, braid) or down loose does nothing for it. I looked at best kind of ok when I had shoulder-length hair done braids close to my head like a Viking and was several years younger & thinner but I don’t think that work work now. Bangs are out as my hair curls/frizzes.

R128, I’d never heard of Victory Rolls. That was a fun post, thanks.

Here’s my Mom, at the link. I guess she’s got a Victory Roll cut of some kind. I would guess this was about 1943. The “dress” was actually just a piece of black velvet that the phorographer had lying around. My twin looks just like her, but with blonde hair.

R146 I'm sorry no one has responded with a suggestion to create the illusion of a jawline.

I thought about it for a while but couldn't supply a good suggestion

R124's style is beautiful and would work well today. Love it.

R146, you can create an illusion of a more defined jawline with contouring powder. Get a shade darker than your skin and brush it under the post prominent part of your jawline. It will give the look of a shadow which will define the jaw.

R146 Jane Fonda in Klute style might help to give the illusion of a little extra fullness around the jaw.

Hair extensions are awful. I wish they'd go out of style.

I agree, OP. Also:

When will men stop wearing too-tight jackets, with the stupid cinch button at the belly, and ridiculous too-tight jeans, and go back to beautifully tailored pieces with great fit, and drape, and trouser legs with just the right break at the shoe? That moved with the leg?

The "women of rock" hairstyle needs to return.

Stevie looks busted AF in that pic.

That's a great pic, R147.

My mother said that photographers always had black velvet around for photographs, and all the girls in her high school had the black velvet over their fronts for their senior photos.

Stevie was quite the little piglet in r154!

r147 your mother was absolutely stunning. Is she still living?

A hairstyle so stunning it has its own thread.

BUMP

Those 1970s wild perms....

So sexy.

People forget: the function of a perm was to pre-set the hair. You shouldn't have to spend time, let alone hours, making it look good..

Women were never sexier than in the disco era, IMHO.

Natural hair is coming back in, OP, so I doubt it.

Emmy looks cute there but I've seen her look even better elsewhere.

She has a glorious head of hair that almost always looks good, no matter how she works it.

"The "women of rock" hairstyle needs to return."

No, it doesn't. Stevie Nicks permed the hell out of her hair and looked ridiculous. So did Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart. Their natural hair looked so much better.

Short hair can be a nightmare because you are at the mercy of hairdressers. Short hair has a specific style, specific lines. Medium to long hair doesn't require as much precision.

I have always liked a pageboy or some variation of it. I also loved Grace Kelly's hair.

I love this hairsttle. This actress always has great hair.

Here is a fantastic short haircut, but you need the right face shape.

I have a shorter version of this and love it. Like Posh, I have baby features- little nose, eyes and mouth-but sculpted bone structure with high cheekbones and defined jaw. Long, fine hair drags my face down and makes me look old and homeless. No thank-you.

Is this the "tousled" look you hate so much?

Listen bitches,if you get the right haircut it wont take an hour to fix it . My 78 year old mother has a great cut that she washes and just brushes until its dry. it look great with minimum of fuss. of course you have to have decent hair. Most women these days look like shit in public. I get that they dont give a fuck and want the world to know it,but then dont run your ass home,eat 3 boxes of girl scout cookies then cry to all your facebook friends about how no man appreciates all you have to offer! The women who do still try,who do their hair,wear a little makeup and a nice outfit get all the men over your yoga pant wearing greasy haired asses.

I'm guilty of having major crushes on girls with super short hair:

Super short works in some women, but not others,

There's no way that Veronica lake's hairstyle would come back into fashion considering you have you have to pincurl your hair to get that look lol. I guess maybe for a formal event but it's not something that's doable for everyday unless you're dedicated to it

The Louise Brooks bob (actually it's the Colleen Moore bob, but Brooks became more identified with it) is one of the most severe, unattractive hairstyles ever invented but it's considered to be so chic and sexy. Only a woman with a gorgeous face could wear it without looking ridiculous. It's incredibly unflattering on most people.

R174 The pin-curled bobs of the 1930s are much more attractive imo

[quote]R144 I actually think a lot of women will move towards shorter, low maintenance cuts. Barbershops will become unisex.

No. Straight men as a rule like long, flowing hair on women. Women wear makeup and sexy clothes to please men, and at least while they’re reasonably young, most will stick with long hair, too.