Debbie Reynolds: ‘Everyone I dated was gay. Except for Robert Wagner’

Postmortem update?

Eddie Fisher was gay and so were Debbie and Liz

I bet Robert Wagner was the last closeted boyfriend alive at the time of that interview so she had to say he's straight.

Elizabeth Taylor's husbands and bfs were all gay she was a closeted lesbian

can someone please cut and paste the article - only premium customers can read.

Debbie & Carrie, they only lied when they spoke.

R5 - I'm not a premium customer and I was able to read it......

funny how Fisher outed Travolta but she and her mother weren't much different to Revolta #closetcase #liars #frauds

DOES THIS INCLUDE AGNES MOOREHEAD ?

LIST OF NAMES SHE DATED PLEASE

Debbie ruined the career of the most talented of the bunch , Eddie Fisher. Debbie Reynolds also defended Bill Cosby knowing he was a rapist. Carrie was tied to Debbie, who dominated her throughout her life. Carrie was trapped by her mother, George Lucas and drug dealers. Carrie could also be a monster bitch like her mother because she was so controlled.

Carrie never had a chance in life because of Debbie, who had severe issues with other women and girls.

Debbie was not a lesbian. She was asexual and smelled like booze.

I am lucky to be alive.

[quote]I am lucky to be alive.

Some of us feel differently about you r11.

Catherine is a miracle, a good person and the best of that bloodline. Brian Lourde has good genes thank God for him.

R11 Who are you?

Except for Robert Wagner?? Excuse me???

Debbie also says she's friends with Connie, whilst in reality her and Connie hated each other.

Her and Connie? Are you illiterate, dear?

Perhaps we should ask Natalie Wood about Robert Wagner...

[quote]Carrie was tied to Debbie, who dominated her throughout her life. Carrie was trapped by her mother, George Lucas and drug dealers. Carrie could also be a monster bitch like her mother because she was so controlled.

Trapped by her mother? Carrie jusht need to chill out like I did. Momma pulled me ashide when I wash young and shaid, "Liza, don't shing any of my songsh." Do you know how whack that wash? The woman shang EVERYTHING! But I jusht took my pillsh and chilled out with Andy at Shtudio 54.

Debbie Reynolds dating history

Debbie Reynolds = closeted lesbian

Where's Walken when you need him?

Debbie= big well-known Old Hollywood lesbian.

Connie Stevens was infinately more talented than Debbie but was forced to take as back seat to that cabal. Ditto Carrie's sisters. Eddie Fisher was a good man with a bad drug problem, but Debbie spoke of him like he was the devil, even to strangers. Debbie was a devious one.

Debbie wounded Carrie's soul.

Are you talking about Joely Fisher, R24?

R25, yes, Joely and Tricia. Very talented women, like their parents.

But Debbie had the juice to outshine and outcast better talents, being friends with that ASSHOLE Bill Cosby. Anything for fame as n fortune, right Debbie?

Poor Carrie. Always a high mess and the most miserable person I h save ever met. I loved her though. Still do.

Again. Thank God for Brian Lourd.

The Florsheim shoe heir she married was gay?

I'm confused.

Harry Karl = the ugliest man in Hollywood.

Carrie was a genius. That's never pretty.

Who is R26 again?

[quote]Harry Karl = the ugliest man in Hollywood.

Oh yeah? Trying being married to Ernest Borgnine for a month.

It breaks my heart to see film or photos of Carrie in her 50s knowing how she destroyed herself with drugs. Her mother didn't give a shit.

Carrie was a crumpled up old woman, due to decades of drug abuse. Thanks a lot Debbie and Todd, you defended her heroin use as her 'choice.'

At least her sisters cared about her, a long with her daughter and Brian Lorde.

You didn't care Debbie!

Debbie was lucky Carrie bailed her out and bought her a house. Todd was useless.

Those with bipolar disease often use drugs and alcohol to cope. Nothing new about this and nothing Debbie or others could do to stop it.

Debbie was a cunt.

Todd was very adept at defending that serial rapist friend of his, Bill "Sunday is hot dog night in the pokey" Cosby.

[quote]Elizabeth Taylor's husbands and bfs were all gay she was a closeted lesbian

How deluded do you have to be to believe that Richard Burton was gay?

Why are Connie and Debbie supposed to have hated each other?

R34, the secret is that Carrie had PTSD and was not bipolar. That whole " she's bipolar and there's nothing we can do about it" was BULLSHIT. Typical for child abusers!

r4, John Warner is not gay.

Debbie publicly insulted Eddie Fisher, in front of his children and grandchildren not caring if it hurt them.

And yet, she defended SERIAL RAPIST Bill Cosby in front of them.

Total mind fuck!

Debbie always came off like a moron in interviews. I had a friend who was in IRENE with Debbie (and Carrie) and he said Debbie was a notorious skirt chaser and was always hanging out in the chorus girls dressing room. Her nickname backstage was Dykie Debbie.

[R41] Debbie publicly insulted Eddie Fisher, in front of his children and grandchildren not caring if it hurt them.

And yet, she defended SERIAL RAPIST Bill Cosby in front of them.

Total mind fuck!

—Anonymous

I've never been interested in Debbie Reynolds, her career or life.

I don wonder why, if she was so hardcore lesbian in real life, why she spent the rest of her life trashing Eddie Fisher and tormenting the children with him? She couldn't have loved him THAT MUCH to be that hurt if she wasn't wired to heterosexuality.

She was a great star in her time. And extremely dedicated to her work. I recall an interview in which Gene Kelly spoke about how he initially gave her a hard time but he came to realize she was very talented and a major studio asset

Didn't Debbie admit later in life that she just wasn't very interested in sex and put her energy into raising her kids?

Well, Debbie initially wanted to be a phys ed teacher.

Are there any concrete, verifiable facts regarding Debbie’s alleged lesbianism?

Richard Burton was gay

R37 Burton Was Gay

their relationship never seemed more than a fake PR relationship they were Mangelina Jolie/Brad Pitt of their time

Debbie son wrote a book about her, and he pretty much glossed over any of the lesbian rumors about Debbie.

R37 In a February 1975 interview with his friend, David Lewin, he said he "tried" homosexuality. He also suggested that perhaps all actors were latent homosexuals, and "we cover it up with drink".

R37 In 2000 Ellis Amburn's biography of Elizabeth Taylor suggested that Burton had an affair with Olivier and tried to seduce Eddie Fisher

Debbie abused Carrie in the most gross and disgusting way possible, which is why Carrie ended up in such a sad way. Total manipulation of an innocent, it's called Stockholm syndrome.

Evil Hollywood Cabal of Liars Club:

Debbie Reynolds, Bill Cosby, Robert Wagner, Hugh Hefner

All of the above were involved in covering up the nastiness of Hollywood and abusing innocents, in incuding their own children.

Goodbye to bad trash.

Bill Cosby won't be r as ping anymore women, Debbie Reynolds will no longer be defending him, Robert Wagner is under investigation and Hefner is in hell.

25 years ago this would seem implausible...that was how untouchable these people were.

[quote]Debbie son wrote a book about her, and he pretty much glossed over any of the lesbian rumors about Debbie.

Yeah, but how much does any child know about their parent's sex life? Unless he walked in on Agnes Moorehead eating Debbie out, why would he think his mother was a lesbian?

R32 What the hell was Debbie supposed to do? She did all she could and her daughter still chose drugs. There's only so much a parent can do.

I think this thread is moronic, not to mention distasteful.

[R51]

Richard Burton didn't cover up his homosexuality in drink. He literally drowned it in drink.

I wonder if Debbie sexually abused Carrie? Sorry if the thought is distasteful.

Carrie was so damaged. That damage comes from somewhere.

The LOON quotient is high on this thread.

No it isn't R57. Reynolds was gay, or at the very least bisexual, so of course she dated gay men to both help them and help her own career.

William Mann said as much in his biography of Liz Taylor a few years ago:

"In cold hard truth, the marriage of Eddie and Debbie had been a masquerade from the start. Even their daughter Carrie would admit, "[Their] whole relationship was basically a press release." Their courtship had been arranged by MGM, concocted by a publicity department that saw magic between the two "All-Americans."

"Their domestic bliss was a well-orchestrated fiction. Privately, Eddie agreed that Debbie was indeed the girl next door -- "but only if you lived next door to a self-centered, totally driven, insecure, untruthful phony."

"Rumors about Debbie's sexuality had been floating around Hollywood for years, and Eddie wondered if they might be true. Many wondered about this Camille Williams "on whose slender shoulder Debbie Reynolds wept through the resonding smashup" of her marriage. Those reporters out front noted that when Debbie and Camille returned home from the movies, the lights in the house went dark -- "all except the light in Debbie's bedroom upstairs."

"There was one other "very close friend" of Debbie's, as Fisher call her. This was Jeanette Johnson, another old pal from Burbank who had served as Debbies's made of honor and frequent traveling companion, and "who had become the gym teacher Debbie once dreamed of being."

I was never a Debbie Reynolds fan, except for her roles in "Mother" and "Will and Grace." I thought she was a riot in both. She always came across as showy and self-indulgent. But anyone who has seen the HBO special about she and Carrie can't deny that they reconciled and genuinely loved each other. I honestly think Carrie's death broke Debbie's heart and contributed to her death.

[R60] The LOON quotient is high on this thread.

—Anonymous

The Loon quotient will reach high when the Joan Jett Loon starts posting that Debbie Reynolds sang well enough but couldn't match Joan Jett's basic sound. And Debbie never wrote her songs whereas Joan Jett wrote 60!

R60 It's all one poster. Block him and all those posts go away.

I think Carrie eventually accepted the fa t that her mother abused her and forgave her. Carrie 'got religion' two years before she passed. The public does not know that, but she was going to church and became a devout Christian. Carrie knew she was dying and found Jesus, no lie! In that way I way happy for her.

Carrie could not escape her mother so she gave up in a way.

Still. She hung in there for her daughter, the best way she could.

Did Debbie abuse her daughter, Carrie? What about her son Todd? I didn’t know this.

R60,

The "Meryl Loon" passed away last year. It was a woman in her fifties

R66,

Yes. Carrie and I had painful discussions over this. No one knows we talked about these things. It was rough on us both.

Debbie was an abusive mother. I dont know about Todd as Carrie never talked about him, ever.

What did the Meryl Loon post? No memory of that.

^^^^she was a Streep enthusiast

Carrie and I would talk about secret things that went on and then Carrie would come to my place two days later and start hitting me. I forgave her, always.

Carrie beat me on more than a few occasions due to our secret conversations that discussed our mutual childhood abuses. I was in pain, she was in pain.

I knew that she used drugs over these issues and was terrified she would o.d. and die.

I tried to help her.

Eddie Fisher couldn't be gay. He fathered 4 children. He was bi. DL is only half right.

[R68] Abusive in what sense? I'm curious. I recently listened to Debbie reading her memoir UNSINKABLE and was very impressed with her memory for telling details - particularly in the long, long, loooong saga related to her Las Vegas casino/hotel. She could definitely spin a yarn. After getting entranced in lots of the minutiae of what she was reading, it struck me "why the hell would a successful actress/entertainer want to own a casino/hotel?" It's obvious Debbie knew little of the hotel business and not surprisingly lost a fortune - which she blamed on various husbands and crooked business partners. It's not like she started out washing dishes and worked her way up. I found it odd she was so driven to do this. Maybe she needed a challenge and outlet equal to her energies.

R73 Her ability to blame everyone else for her problems was very impressive , indeed.

Carrie was abused by many people, in every way.

I feel sorry for the fraus who get all maudlin about Debbie dying right after Carrie because her heart was broken.

Ha.

Predators love Hollywood. Predators seek out cute little children like Carrie Fisher, and myself.

Carrie and I knew each other's secrets. I always loved her, and saw her as a victim, even when she beat me.

TOO MUCH PAIN

TOO MUCH PAIN

Why didn't you help us Debbie

Drugs can't heal that scar...why didn't you protect her Debbie

We were just little girls

OH LORD IT HURTS SO MUCH

WHY DIDNT ANYONE HELP US

Carrie was forced to sell 'bipolarism' to the public because no one was ready to hear about child sexual abuse, especially at the levels in Hollywood.

THIS IS WHAT DROVE CARRIE CRAZY

Her mother commandeered that ship of lies to the gullible public because she didn't want to Jeopardize the Hollywood mystique and her career.

Only now are people BRAVE enough to tell the truth.

Carrie held in too many secrets to stay sane. Carrie also abused me as well. I forgave her for these reasons.

Carrie and I went through HELL

R78 Nailed it. There's a reason or reasons why one suffers from depression, anxiety or manic depression/bipolar 'disease'. It's not a result of a chemical imbalance...

She was very sexualized in her very first role in SHAMPOO (1975) when she was still a teenager (but over 18, I believe).

Eddie Fisher wasn't gay or bi you moron (R72). His wife was.

R78 Sorry, you sound unhinged. I don't believe for a second that Debbie abused Carrie.

How could anyone think Debbie wasn't destroyed by Carrie's death. She died like two minutes after her daughter.

R17 OKAY. "Connie and her"

R31, oh yeah? Try being married to Ethel Merman for a month!

R78, denial.

and Wagner was at least bi.........if you believe the reason he and natalie wood got their first divorce that is stated in some of the biographies/.

Is Rose McDowan posting as Carrie's BFF in this thread?

Sorry, I meant to assert that R82 is in denial. I believe what R78 says sounds possible

Thank you for believing me. I knew these women my whole life. In ways you can't imagine.

Carrie was still 17 when she filmed Shampoo. Carrie had been sexualized as a teenager, in very bad ways by very bad people. I call that a victim, but in the 1970s that was commonplace and acceptable.

Carrie was abused by many adults around her, as I was. Her mother, and my father, were not good role models and ENCOURAGED the abuse. We/they all knew each other.

I hated her drug abuse and she hated my alcoholism however, we kept in touch in ways unknown to others.

Carrie and I never bad mouthed each other in print however, we fought like cats and dogs!

We could not resolve our conflicts which stemmed from our child sexual abuse.

Who said or wrote that R90?

R90: What role did Carrie's success in Star Wars help or hurt her? Did it help her cut off her abusers and assume her own identity, or did it push her further back?

Also, how are you doing? What tools do you have to cope with this?

R90, I guess you can't ID yourself, but why in the world should we believe you?

Block that crazy troll.

R92,

I remember her loving that whole Star Wars career. She loved it, loved George Lucas, all of it. She used too many drugs though, but then again she was under extreme pressure and said to me she couldn't cope with the scrutiny. ALWAYS concerned with her weight. MERYL STREEP was a genuine friend to her.

I'm still alive. I try to focus on others.

Thank you for asking.

R95: thank you for sharing with us.

Connie is as shallow as a gas station oil slick. A money-obsessed phony.

Debbie just wanted to be loved. If she didn't get it from you every second of every day the way she wanted it, she'd hold the lapses against you for the rest of her life.

With that, Eddie walked out on her, and that made him the devil, naturally.

She and Carrie did work things out over time. As well as they could. And don't forget how Carrie helped build her career by exposing her mother. Debbie was cool with it, because she felt she was getting the love she needed. With respect for the Carrie "intimate" here, at least I never helped Carrie with her medication runs.

[quote]anyone who has seen the HBO special about she

OH MY, R62. Home schooled??

[R60] It's all one poster. Block him and all those posts go away.

—Anonymous

reply 64

Are you referring to poster claiming to be Carrie's BFF?

I don't believe in any way that Reynolds abused her daughter physically, but mentally? Perhaps not intentionally, but yes, she did. Just the pressure to be 'on' all the time (as Reynolds herself was), must have been unbearable, especially if she had no desire to be in show business.

Who the hell is clutching pearls over Richard Burton possibly being gay? First of all, compulsive, near indiscriminate philanderers often are. It's a hallmark of Casanova syndrome. Second, I believed he admitted to homosexual experiences in school. While plenty of people are all, "It's a right of passage of British schoolboys - means nothing." I don't agree. I think the gay ones diddled each other and the non-gay ones did not, and the gay ones hid behind, "Oh, it was right of pasaage."

Let's try and stay on topic R101. This is about Debbie Reynolds, not Burton.

That Welsh ham always did pull focus.

Glenn Ford was gay? I wish. So cute. According to his son nothing more than a selfish actor asshole. His son said that his father's image onscreen was not his father at all. Though Ford in interviews claimed it was. Sad to see him a stooped old man when he holds his own against the impossibly charismatic Rita in Gilda.

Carrie BFF, are the woman who was sexually abused as a child by Burt Lanchaster?

Are you the woman..

I think Carrie's BFF who was sexually abused by Burt Lancaster is also the "Meryl Loon" that she claimed was a 50 something year old woman who died. Judging from some other current threads, I bet Carrie's BFF is also a fan of Joan Jett and Lois Chiles.

I don't and won't believe BL was an abuser.

No. R105, I was not abused by Burt Lancaster.

I have been abused by debbie though....hey. do you think her good buddy Robert Wagner will go down for murdering Natalie Wood?

Law enforcement seem to think they have a case against him.

"Everyone I dated was gay"

Plus the ones she wanted to date:

Eddie Fisher was a major pussy hound and the furthest thing from gay.

The love of Carrie Fisher's life was the late actress Joan Hackett.

Wtf?^^^

Not on the Datalounge, R111.

Anyone ever see the tv movie "Malice in Wonderland," about Hedda and Louella? Kind of fun and viewable on YouTube.

Elizabeth Taylor as homely Louella?

R112, I was introduced to Joan Hackett, sort of, in a gay bar in 1977! by one of Carrie's friends. Yes, Carrie was there too. Carrie didnt drink but Joan sure did, and gave me a lackluster wave hello. Yes, I got the impression they were very close even though Joan was much older. Carrie wore flowers in her hair in those days.

I didn't know who Joan Hackett was and Carrie berated me for that. I was only 15 so how did I know?

Joan hackett looked and acted gay. Carrie never drank in the bar. Joan could hold her drink well though. Maybe Joan protected Carrie and that's why Carrie loved her so much.

R118 Tell us more!!!

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that Richard Burton fucked Eddie Fischer as an act of dominance when he "took" Elizabeth from him. Taylor and Burton laughed about it for years.

Well, everyone fawned over Joan Hackett in the bar. Both lesbians and gay men. She was very popular. Joan was a huge star in the gay community, but I wasn't sure why. Actually I still don't!

Anyhoo, Carrie spoke of her with great reverence, which she didn't hand out freely.

One night, when Joan wasn't there, I accidentally walked in on Carrie in the ladies room. This bar was a bit of a dive and the lock never worked on the toilet door.

I apologized profusely. Carrie then called me aside to the dance floor and then punched me repeatedly in the head. I fell to the ground and was dizzy for three days.

She gave me money for a cab but really, I needed to go to a hospital.

The next day at school my boyfriend asked me why I had bruises all over my face.

Imagine his surprise when I told him I was beaten up by Princess Leia in a gay bar!

In those days. Carrie acted ver violently with me. And then occasionally we would make out.

It was weird.

"Joan Hackett looked and acted gay" definition:

She didn't fawn over hapless gay boys staring at her

taylor and her partner

Carrie and I fought each other and then 'slept" with each other many times throughout the years. At some point it was too damaging to talk to her anymore, so I blocked her from my mind. She hurt me terribly.

Debbie Reynolds was the toughest one of all though. ALWAYS about her, and her career. No one's feelings mattered, including Carrie's. That's why Carrie released her anger at me. She joked to people that it was fun to slap a woman with big tits. Dysfunctional doesn't begin to describe those women.

Do you think you're fooling anyone, R125?

One time, in Las Vegas, Carrie walked up to me and out of the blue slapped me as hard as she could. I fell to the ground and my drink went flying. She then laughed maniacally. Debbie Reynolds was with her and guess what she said? LOL She told me to press charges!

I refused, because I was afraid Carrie would get beaten up in the Clark County jail.

There were numerous witnesses.

I wonder if Kate Hepburn lusted after Young Debbie.

One night, at the gay bar, when I was a teenager, Carrie walks in with some mean faced short woman and they both screamed at me: "We Jewish girls stick together!!!" to which I replied, "Okay, that's nice" and went back to my beer. I later wondered what scenario these two were cooking up and it scared me.

About eight years later, at a lesbian bar, I ran into Carrie and told her that I just lost my job due to the company closing.

She then reached into her purse and pulled out $1600 dollars, handed it to me, and said "Will this help you?"

I was shocked and pleased, and thanked her for it.

Five minutes later she came over to me and demanded it back.

I gave it back.

Was that the lesbian bar on Santa Monica Blvd?

R130 I'll leave that anonymous.

Menopause is a bitch when you've had a life full of meaning and mutual respect, but when you hit 50 and your secrets and regrets hit it can be unbearable.

Being used and abused, and then taking that pain out on others is not a fun memory. Add hormonal depression and it's why so many hit the drugs and booze in midlife.

I knew Carrie didn't have the coping skills to make it out of midlife.

Goodbye Carrie

Didn't Joan Hackett spend her last years in a relationship with Marsha Mason?

What other celebs did you see in gay/lesbian bars?

Joan Hackett was once married to actor Richard Mulligan. Her last film was "Only When I Laugh", with Marsha Mason. Joan won a Golden Globe and an Oscar nomination for it. She was already quite ill by then, had to use a wheelchair at both awards ceremonies.

For her tombstone she wrote:

Go away. I'm asleep.

Debbie approved of their relationship, believing Joan was a good and mature influence on Carrie.

Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood's first marriage broke up when she awoke in the middle of the night and found him in the living room fucking their butler.

R129, creative writing is not your vocation.

Carrie once confided in me that Paul Simon was a wonderful lover. She really regretted that breakup. It almost killed her.

Carrie wanted to have a baby with Paul Simon but he refused that notion. She wanted to have a cute daughter, which she finally got with Brian Lourde.

She idolized Paul Simon, in fact.

The fires have kept me awake with worry all night, so forgive my basic and puerile lack of composition.

Two years before Carrie passed away she converted to Christianity and started going to mass. I dont know if she became a Catholic or not, but she attended mass with her daughter, who was a great influence on Carrie.

One time I overheard Carrie tell Penny Marshall that she had wanted to go to church that day. Penny Marshall replied, "Well, why didn't you tell me you wanted to go to mass, I would have gone with you!" Penny Marshall seems like a really good, rock solid person. Very likable. And she really does talk that way...I thought it was an affectation...LOL

After I had finished college I met Carrie at Barnes and Noble, where she invited me to have coffee with her. That tall bodyguard dude was always with her, and he always filmed our conversations. Her bodyguard sat across from me with his camera phone pointed at me while Carrie proceeded to tell me that she wanted me to go to AA meetings. I told I no longer drank, didnt need it, and was preparing for graduate school and would be too busy anyway. For some reason, that made her very angry.

AA did not help Carrie at all.

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bumpy

Debbie was gay.

OUTED!

Debbie Reynolds (as the Singing Nun) to the left of George Jefferson

bigger

A little too straight postcard

In real life Debbie Reynolds was not a kind person.

Nonsense.

I really want to believe these stories. They’re so random and as insane as they sound, I do know people who are that crazy in everyday life. All I’m saying is they’re plausible.

R150, no, they aren't.

This one nut has been vomiting up supposed reminiscences about her days making out with and then being punched and/or slapped by Carrie Fisher on any thread that gives her the slightest reason to do so. The times of the reminiscences span decades. 35+ years of letting Carrie Fisher punch you whenever she takes it into her head to do so. Then kissing her. Then being slapped by her. Okay, yeah, seems reasonable. Sure.

I suspect it's Poo Shoes, though it's always possible that DL has attracted a different obsessive nutball.

Reynolds was a classic hysteric---oblivious to the obvious., sunny as a daisy and just as dim.

She once slapped the chewing gum right out of my mouth.

Thank you to those who believe my remembrances of Carrie.

I've toned it all down for the sake of her family. And believe me, I have turned down some generous offers to do interviews.

Therefore, I'll just tell the really crazy, funny stuff and it's all true, by the way.

Carrie always mocked my religion, that is, before she converted herself.

Years ago I was into heavy drinking and gambling. It was your numb the pain of my memories. I long ago gave up those two bad habits.

I was playing blackjack in a casino one day and drinking greyhounds, my favorite casino drink.

Carrie and her mother came by. It was always weird how they would find me.

Debbie went up to the cocktail waitress, handed her some money, and told her to stop serving me!

Okay. No biggie. Coffee's fine.

As I got up to say goodbye to them Carrie slaps me really hard and tells me, "I thought you were out fighting demons...haha...."

They then walked away and out of the casino.

She slapped me once.

I told Carrie decades ago that she should move out of l.a. and go write no else in England. Hollywood was death for her...a long, slow and steady destruction.

She stayed here for her ex husband and daughter. Her mother was suffocating, demanding, possessive and needy.

She had close friends who loved her though.

Meryl Streep, who is a good person, as well as that blonde Sarah who babysat, and a few others.

Many, however, were just using her. People who take advantage of the mentally ill are awful.

I think Penny Marshall was good for her, especially in later years.

I was never Carrie's friend, although she says she wrote ice things about me in her books.

I certainly said nice things about her in that magazine interview.

R156 Meryl is a lesbian, right? because she was married to Cazale who was Pacino's partner

For the sake of toning it down, Carrie's BFF is leaving out the story of how she was at a children's hospital doing volunteer work with damaged children of celebrities when Carrie showed up in the cancer ward with Lou Albino and Cyndi Lauper. Carrie said they were here to help and suddenly they triple teamed her in a steel cage match and pummeled her with foreign objects. After the head nurse counted her out following a chair to the head, Carrie said, "We did our good deed for the day that these brats will never forget." and they all sauntered out of the cancer ward leaving her a sobbing bloody wreck.

But...……….being the BFF that she is, the poster still loves Carrie.

Wishful Drinking now makes for poignant viewing.

Debbie liked show girl snatch.

R159, I'm not very familiar with her writing but saw the tv version of WT, and that bit about Hollywood genealogy, with the chart, is genius.

It's a shame she looked older than her mother in her last years. I guess that's what hard living does to a person.

Debbie talked about the gays and cracked gay jokes incessantly which is common behavior for those longing to come out of the closet but feel they cannot.

The question is, was she gay?

Meryl wasn't married to Cazale, r157.

I hope this poor delusional creature with her Carrie stories gets some help.

R162, add in mental illness.

Carrie was a genius. Forgetting the drugs, no one chooses EST for shits and giggles. At least she left a nice body of work. And I agree, the genealogy part of WD was brilliant.

R165 I thought they were married was he Meryl's bf?

He was Meryl's bf and they would certainly have gotten married if he hadn't died.

r37 I simply don't know, darling. Tell me how delusional does one need to be EXACTLY?

Glenn Ford was gay?

Oh, sweetheart, EVERYONE was gay.

Oh how the DL has fallen! Search her books for a child actress, two years younger, big boobs, and managed by her father.

LMFAO!!! She's funny....*robert wagner IS gay and a narcissist*

Richard Burton was gay no doubt about it

Katey Sagal!

Tuesday Weld!

Kathleen Quinlan

I was molested.

One of her closest high school friends said that she rarely dated during her teenage years in Burbank.

They never found her attractive in school. She was cute, but sort of tomboyish, and her family never had any money to speak of. She never dressed well or drove a car. And, I think, during all the years in school, she was invited to only one dance.

R10 Reynolds was married three times. Her first marriage was to singer Eddie Fisher in 1955.

Reynolds' second marriage, to millionaire businessman Harry Karl, lasted from 1960 to 1973.

Reynolds' third marriage was to real estate developer Richard Hamlett from 1984 to 1996.

We've found Debbie's Rosebud.^^^^^

R20

That attachment that lists the name of Glenn Ford: I do NOT believe he was gay.

I do believe Eddie Fisher was gay

Glenn Ford WAS gay. To cover, he fucked, among others, Joan Crawford, Rita Hayworth, Maria Schell, Judy Garland, Marilyn Monroe, Hope Lange, Eleanor Powell, etc*. It was a very clever ruse of his.

EVERYONE was gay. Everyone. Thread closed.

In Hollywood everyone is gay

Taylor's relationship with Fisher and Reynolds reminds me of fakeness of Mangelina Jolie/Maniston/Princess Tinymeat Pitt

and Taylor's relationship with Burton is so fake it screams PR and lavender marriage exactly like Mangelina Jolie and Pitt relationship/marriage

Liz Taylor is probably Mangelina Jolie's role model

R188

Liz was Kim Kardashian's role model

Joely Fisher was on the radio yesterday. She said Connie and Debbie were next door neighbors in Malibu and became good friends. She said Eddie only visited his 2 families once. After he passed Connie and Debbie held a memorial for him in Factors deli. She feels that Todd got the least of Eddie because he was a ladies man and couldn’t relate as well to a boy.

While filming COAHTR, Liz got it on with Judith Anderson.

R190, Todd was a ladies's man? Never would have guessed.

Robert Wagner gay or straight?

Gay. Everybody's gay in Hollywood.

(actually, he must be at least bi. that clifton webb story has too much traction)

Some of Wagner's affairs were Barbara Stanwick (Lesbian), Joan Collins, Lana Turner, Stefanie Powers, Debbie Reynolds (lesbian), Tina Sinatra, Senta Berger.

Sister of Natalie Wood reveals 'gay affair' caused divorce

R192 Eddie the ladiesman could not relate to a son. According to Jolie, his natural charm with the ladies meant he had at one time or another made all his daughters feel like they were his favorite. He couldn’t make a connection with Todd and Todd was not involved with the memorial his ex wives and daughters had for him.

Jolie also said Connie had a stroke a few years ago. She said Connie is doing just okay but made the trip to London with Jolie recently to see her perform her one woman show.

I get the impression Jolie thinks she can take over from Carrie and it all seems very opportunistic to me. But that’s showbiz. It’s very hard to know what’s truth and what’s made up to make a buck.

Lana Wood has revealed that her sister caught Wagner in the arms of another man in June 1961, which led to their divorce in 1962.

I always got a tomboyish vibe from Natalie Wood like Kristen Stewart/Delevigne etc

All lesbians, r196. Every last one.

"R193, epitomizing the very best of DL"

Wasn’t Robert Wagner a client of that agent who discovered Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Troy Donahue etc... Not sure how he escaped without a ridiculous name.

R196 Tina Sinatra always seemed very butch to me.

If you mean Henry Willson, r203, I don't think so.

From Henry Wilson’s Wiki : He was known for his stable of young, attractive clients, including Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Chad Everett, Robert Wagner, Nick Adams, Guy Madison, Troy Donahue, Mike Connors, Rory Calhoun, John Saxon, Yale Summers, Clint Walker, Doug McClure, Dack Rambo, Ty Hardin, and John Derek.

I stand corrected.

“Rock Hudson and Henry Willson had been effectively outed, even if just locally, in Hollywood. Rock did fine, but Willson suffered. While Willson had many straight cine's, the rumor mill had it that if you were represented by Henry Willson, then you must be homosexual. According to his biographer Hofler, some of Willson's former clients, including Robert Wagner, began to deny that they he had ever represented them. Willson had achieved fame and power as a creator of stars, and now the very currency of his fame and power, the stars themselves, began to reject him.”

I think he did protest too much.

Tina Sinatra has dated Dodi Fayed who I think was gay

I know he was in relationship wit Diana but so what Diana was gay prince Charles beard and she was friend with every gay celebrity George Michael, Elton, Freddie, Travolta, ...

Dodi Fayed and known lesbian beard Brooke Shields

That sounds sexy, R206. Sir!!! Yes Sir!!!

Princess Diana lover Dodi Fayed 'loved cocaine and gay clubs'

He looks the tiniest bit like Banderass there.

R205 Dack Rambo died from AIDS and surprisingly his real surname was Rambo! I think everyone on that list was gay/bi or at least acquainted with the casting couch.

Block Rqq and the nutty posts go away. Ahhhh. Better.

^ Dammit, that’s supposed to be R11.

Banderas and Pitt are the gayest closet cases in Hollywood

R194

does the term BI-SEXUAL totally escape you people ? there's more BI-SEXUALS out there in Hollyweird than the national average

Bi still counts for team gay.

[QUOTE]From Henry Wilson’s Wiki : He was known for his stable of young, attractive clients, including Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Chad Everett, Robert Wagner, Nick Adams, Guy Madison, Troy Donahue, Mike Connors, Rory Calhoun, John Saxon, Yale Summers, Clint Walker, Doug McClure, Dack Rambo, Ty Hardin, and John Derek.

Chad Everett and Ty Hardin (whom I knew) were both uptight, straight forward All American Heteros. I never heard of Mike Connors nor Clint nor Doug being anything but straight except that I know Doug was open minded and would let the right guy blow him years ago if it would advance his career. I've heard things about Carmine aka John Saxon but that was years ago and I understand he gets very defensive over any such allegation.

Suzanne Pleshette who did have a few girl girl friends (Tina Sinatra, Angie Dickinson) realized within days into her marriage to Troy Donahue back in 1964 that she'd married a big child who wasn't mature enough at that point to commit to a marriage.

That's all for now

Suzanne was great. Too bad she was a heavy smoker.

R220

Everyone from fans to those who worked with Susie adored her. I never met a soul who had anything bad to say about her.

Suzanne was fabulous. She decorated the lobby of the building we both lived in.

Has anyone noticed that Debbie had her nose "tweaked" ?

R217 there's more BI-SEXUALS out there in Hollyweird than the national average

only about 2%-5% of LGBTQ people in Hollywood are real bisexuals

R219 Do you know when Suzanne was with Tina Sinatra? They were together a lot. I think Suzanne was her maid of honor when she married. I’m not in showbiz but used to wait tables at Ma Maison back in the early 80s and Suzanne and her then husband were in all the time. They often came with Tina and whoever she was dating. I adored both Suzanne and her husband Tommy and thought they were a wonderful couple. Now I’m wondering if she was secretly with Tina at that time? Lol

Ty Hardin became a crazy born again Christian in his later years.

Tina Sinatra freelanced. Never in one million years would she ever admit to the lady sex let alone consider another woman her partner.

Only on DL would anybody know the personal affairs of someone as random as Tina Sinatra. I love it!

Tina Sinatra looks very butch judging by her photos

R221, any info on Hope Lange? I loved her.

R228, Tina Sinatra was always called "the son Frank never had." * This could mean she was more macho than Frankie Jr, or...it could've meant that and something else. Btw, Tina used to date Robert Wagner.

* you didn't know this?

Clifton Webb and Barbara Stanwyck played a husband and wife in the 1953 movie "Titanic," which also featured a young Robert Wagner. (Ironically, he falls into the ocean while trying to help lower a lifeboat, but he gets pulled into the boat and is rescued, which is more than we can say for Natalie Wood years later.)

Webb called Stanwyck "my favorite Hollywood lesbian."

R196, I hadn’t thought of Joan Collins as lesbian, but here’s her vintage gossip:

“ollins, Joan. Doxy who is not aging well. Alcoholic. Reportedly was a hooker when she first arrived in Hollywood. Linked with, oh, just about everyone, including Warren Beatty, Harry Belafonte, Marlon Brando, Sydney (son of Charlie) Chaplin, Robert Evans, Dennis Hopper, Anthony Newley, Ryan O'Neal, Terence Stamp, and Robert Wagner.”

Quite a few bisexual men there. And Terence Stamp? I cross-referenced him, and he was linked to (beautiful!) lesbian/bi women - Candice Bergen, Julie Christie, Jacqueline Bissett.

Interesting!!

R185 He fucked 300 women and 2 men but was still gay! Only on Datalounge, only on Datalounge......

Tina Sinatra is still very attractive and she's rumored to be a hot lesbian catch, however i can't confirm that she likes the ladies. But her track record of two short marriages and no children should give interested ladies hope

R232, I thought it was Stanwyck who called Webb "my favorite Hollywood lesbian. "

Like mother, like (one) daughter.

"Quite a few bisexual men there"

R233, are you fool, enough to think that Warren Beatty, Harry Belafonte, Sydney Chaplin, Dennis Hopper and Ryan O'Neal are/were bisexual???

R238, Harry Belafonte is not straight. The others, yeah, they were.

Joan Collins was a close friend to Joanne Woodward as they were both 20th Century-Fox contract players in the 1950s.

They were both in Rally round the flag, boys, with Newman...

R239, Belafonte was a womanizer, as bad as any of them. The reason the press never went after him was because of his civil rights activist visibility. Same reason they never went after Lena Horne for being a bitch and being bisexual. Oh yeah, Harry was and is a bitch too, just not bisexual.

Untwist mary

WHERE do all of you with absolutely no connection to Hollywood, old or new, get all this mis-information?

I thought DL was filled with the power elite, the socially-connected, the prominent, the capable A-List, not people standing in supermarket lines reading tabloids. Please source information.

As well, isn't it about time we admit Carrie was responsible or her own undoing? Do not canonize a druggie. "It isn't their fault" is horseshit.

DL has turned into a wannabe ZataLounge, and that is the lowest of the low, six people posting over and over.

Finally, the voice of sanity.

R244, if you think the Datalounge is "the power elite, the socially-connected, the prominent," you're quite the idiot.

Well, no--nobody who reads the majority of commenters could think that.

[quote]Didn't Debbie admit later in life that she just wasn't very interested in sex and put her energy into raising her kids?

She should have put more energy into it.

In interviews, she seemed to blame her troubles (e.g., financial problems) on husband(s). Although she was cute and funny, she didn't seem to take any responsibility for her choices in men -- things just "happened" to her. My gaydar did not ping on her, but maybe she was a lesbian and didn't really care if her dates were gay men. Carrie Fisher was married to a gay man, so maybe CF was a lesbian as well.

[R249] Agreed. Although it's easy to get swept up in Debbie's surface charm, it seems that she was very fantasy driven, which is unsurprising for a Hollywood actress. The people we choose to be in intimate relationships with is profoundly reflective of who we are. For Debbie (and possibly Carrie), acting "happy" seemed to equate to perceiving oneself as actually being happy - as if she couldn't tell the difference. This is a hallmark of narcissism. Once Debbie could no longer keep the illusion of her happy marriages going, reality set in and the fraud of it all exerted itself with a vengeance. If she were truly close and connected to her husbands she'd have known the score a lot more than she claims to have.

Debbie's mother was a ruthless stage mother, and Debbie never said a bad word about her.

Well, with husband #3 it was the csino that did her in. I was there, and it was clear that she didn't have the money to even open it properly.

Much of her costume collection was on display, but the place was practically held together with spit and duct tape.

[R252] That's the impression I got from her memoir - which led me to think, "why is she doing this?" Does anyone know the address of Debbie's childhood home in Burbank? I live just over the hill in Hollywood and would like to check it out. I Googled but could find the actual address. Thanks.

Um, Carrie dated women. Everyone around her knew that. Her affairs with women was during her 'party' years, so they were mostly fleeting affairs with bisexual actresses. Or not.

Debbie interfered with Carrie's relationships which was ironic, considering that Debbie was asexual. Debbie's women friends were giant bitches. Not all, but many. They were rich old women who lived off of men. Ugh.

Elizabeth Taylor was a warm, loving soul who was too good to be dragged into that stupid p.r. with Eddie Fisher and Debbie.

I lurved Elizabeth Taylor. One time, Debbie slapped me really hard. It was a mean, stiff armed slap. Elizabeth Taylor chastised her for it.

Joanne Woodward = Lesbian

Warren Beatty = gay

Joan Collins = lesbian

Paul Newman = gay

Brando = bi?/gay . the women he dated are rumored lesbians

Debbie Reynolds & Carrie Fisher = lesbian

Harrison Ford = not straight

Bull dyke Liz Taylor once hauled off and belted me in a 7-11 when I asked the cashier not to serve her a slurpee, as per doctor's orders. She could be a nasty bitch or the sweetest woman on the planet, depending on whether she was getting laid (or "jumping the trampoline"). I miss dastardly old Liz - she was fun to get drunk with.

R252, it was also decorated with balloons. Balloons, everywhere balloons.

After Debbie stiff-armed slapped me, I cradled my face in disbelief at the maniacal laughter she erupted in.

"You really hurt me, you fucking bitch!" I yelled. "I ought a kick your skinny fucking ass!"

Debbie then screamed, "oh yeah, I'll kick your ass, you bitch!"

I looked around the room. Carrie was seated behind Debbie, sneering. Elizabeth Taylor was gobsmacked...eyes wide open with mouth ajar..Rip Taylor was in shock....

"Fuck you!" I screamed and pulled at her hair, only to have it come off in my hands. It was a wig!😀

[R258] Good instincts, Neely!

WTF? Debbie's mother was no stage mother. In fact she had no respect for the biz and wanted Mary Frances to pursue her interest to become a gym teacher instead.

Secretly, I've always wished Meryl Streep was a man, and that she and Carrie could get married.

Meryl was soooooo good for Carrie, she calmed her down, got her stable and centered, they would have been a perfect couple.

I feel sorry for Carrie that she could never enjoy Meryl Streep's penis if she had one.

ridiculous.

Debbie's wig was terrifying. I just held it in my hands in astonishment...I was embarrassed for us both.

It was quality though.

The label inside was stitched in very elaborate writing: Miss Reynolds wig was designed by Jonathan of Beverly Hills.

A voice-teacher friend of mine says that some years back one of her female students did some lesbian escorting and one time her date turned out to be Debbie.

[R263] With jewelry by Van Cleef & Arpels.

Roseanne Barr tried to help Debbie out by having her on her talk show. Roseanne is a good person with a big heart.

I'm so sorry about the pain she went through over a stupid tweet. 😰😩

Whose stupid twat was it?

Roseanne Barr can keep a secret and cares about other people....isn't she worthy of forgiveness?

hahahahahahahahahaha

ah hahahahahahahahaha

Debbie's old house- 1034 N Evergreen, Burbank.

[R270] Thanks! I'll be swinging by sometime this weekend! Should I knock on the door and ask, "Did you know Debbie Reynolds grew up here?"

[R270] Hey! I just did a Google street search for that address and it's very close to a gay bar in North Hollywood where my partner and I sometimes hang out - The Bullet. Total dive. We will be there in a few hours. Hi, Debbie!!!!!

R260, DEBBIE discussed her horribly abusive stage mother on Oprah (Carrie was also a guest) late in the Oprah series. Debbie said she understood her and forgave her. Perhaps you should get an ouija board and contact Debbie to tell her she was wrong.

BS Carrie interviewed the old bat and talked about the fact that Granny was a cunt. But not a stage mother. She hated show biz.

Did Carrie ever kick Debbie in the vagina bone?

R256

Think that's bad; Liz Taylor had me fired from Armani's where I worked as a personal shopper just because I put Henry Mancini's Baby Elephant Walk on the in house stereo system when she walked in. Usually when a star came in we'd play the theme from one of their biggest films but I just couldn't resist.

Did Debbie Reynolds out Hugh O'Brian with that remark ?

The two dated in the early to mid 50s and ended up as life long friends. Hugh finally married (a girl too !) when he was 80 something.

Hugh couldn't have been gay, could he ... ? ?

Well, iirc, Rona Barrett, in her memoir, wrote of visiting a set where Hugh was working and horny and wanting to screw her. She declined and he said, "Please, Miss Rona, just the tip."

R272, the house was listed as the former home of Debbie- so I'm sure the owners already know.

Now that I checked, it looks like the star was never ID'd, but then why did I think it was Hugh?

Debbie never had an affair with Robert Wagner, they dated. She said in her book he was the love of her life but he was a Playboy. He grew up in Beverly Hills and wanted for nothing driving around town in a convertible sports car. She states in her book they broke up because she would not sleep with him until marriage and he bolted. And as stated, her mother wasn't a stage mother, wasn't interested in her show biz career. She was just a nasty unhappy woman who made others miserable.

R278, That is a still from "Love Has Many Faces", a movie he made in 1965 starring Lana Turner. Hugh played a beach bum gigolo for hire.

R279, That incident begins Rona's autobiography and it took place at a swimming pool, not a movie set. She never identified the man, but over the years Kirk Douglas has emerged as the one.

(R255) : I'm very perplex when I read this list....So, who is straight in Hollywood?????????

Debbie Reynolds was NEVER great star, as one poster suggested. She was always a second rate 'talent' who made forgettable movies and made her living practically living of Singing in the Rain for 60 years. As for who was gay that she dated? who knows for sure? Hollywood is a cesspit of lies and deception....and selfishness.

Thank you. We try!

No. She was big enough a star - just a simple fact. She consistently appeared in films with other big names. The Liz/Eddie/Debbie thing did as much for her publicity wise as it did for Liz. Her "Tammy" films were huge as was the corresponding number one hit "Tammy." Lots of baby girls were given that name because of the song/film. She was big enough for certain.

"Lots...were given that name because of the song..."

So true!

I think I read a comment from Joanne Woodward that one of the reasons she hated LA was because Debbie ran the girl scouts there and Joanne didn't want her daughters involved.

Debbie was a STAR. You've conveniently ignored Molly Brown How the West Was Won, and a multitude of other successful films. There were the TV shows as well.

She never stopped working primarily because she was talented and she was a beloved STAR

To the poster who said Debbie was never a great star, I suggest you watch Bright Lights.

I love this production still of Lana and Hugh from "Love Has Many Faces." Such fierce acting talent!

Debbie's only Oscar nomination was for Molly Brown and to be honest, her performance was not Oscar worthy, especially the scenes before she became wealthy.

[quote]Debbie's only Oscar nomination was for Molly Brown and to be honest, her performance was not Oscar worthy, especially the scenes before she became wealthy.

The scenes before she became wealthy suggested she had watched Tammy Grimes a few times.

The highest award Debbie ever received was that second rate SAG Lifetime Achievement Award that she was given the year before she, and Carrie, died.

Debbie's wig was terrifying. I just held it in my hands in astonishment...I was embarrassed for us both.

It was quality though.

The label inside was stitched in very elaborate writing: Miss Reynolds wig was designed by Jonathan of Beverly Hills.

I watched as Debbie carefully placed it back over her vagina with double-sided tape.

Someone recently posted a clip from "The Love Boat" with Debbie and Marilyn Michaels doing a show imitating famous people.

Michaels is very good, but Debbie is worse than community theater. She couldn't even do Mae West. My grandmother can do Mae West.

R293, Hugh could really rock a SPEEDO.

Debbie was excellent in A Catered Affair.

Lots of great actors never win awards - especially character actors. Judy Parfitt, for example, is one of my favorite actors and she's certainly not mainstream. Even so, many people recognize her with an appreciation for her work. You may know her as the character Vera Donovan in "Delores Claibourne." Unless the performances are undeniably stellar, awards are often just given as popularity contests.

An Oscar is not an entitlement. I don't understand why so many younins think so.

Debbie was not a "great star," but she was a greatly popular one with longevity, as has been mentioned. Besides Tammy as R288 said, the name Debbie was very popular for girls my age, born in the late 1950s. Not Deborah, Debbie.

Debbie passed her anorexia down to Carrie. Not ever eating drove those women nutso. Malnutrition gave Carrie arthritis, and was the cause of Debbie's baldness.

YES, DEBBIE REYNOLDS WAS BALD

It probably contributed to her dementia. She became demented by 2005.

Debbie stalked me in the Trader Joe's and got behind me line. She begged me to contact Carrie.

After years of being slapped and humiliated by these women, why in the world would I want to contact Carrie?!!!

Later they rolled up on me in Carrie's tesla and Debbie referred to me as her 'kin.'

She was losing it.

[quote]Debbie Reynolds was NEVER great star, as one poster suggested. She was always a second rate 'talent' who made forgettable movies and made her living practically living of Singing in the Rain for 60 years. As for who was gay that she dated? who knows for sure? Hollywood is a cesspit of lies and deception....and selfishness

Look! Jane Powell got wi-fi at the Actor's Old Age Home!

Didn’t Carrie lose her mind over Harrison Ford? She talked about him like a lovesick puppy for decades and then felt compelled to tell everyone on the planet that they were a “thing” the whole time Star Wars and etc were filming. You can tell! Every photo taken, even candid ones, she was beaming up at him as if he really was Han Solo.

Debbie Reynolds kept a lackluster career going on the sympathy of people who felt bad for her spurned self. The betrayed homemaker was her brand until her brand switched to Princess Leia’s mother and then to resigned but compassionate mother of bipolar. Finally, she just became the character from Unsinkable Molly Brown and laughed like a big ol’ trucker from gig to gig.

I thought Carrie was weird with her yelling at George Lucas at some honor thing—she was all duck lips and drunken pronouncements (funny but disturbing to watch). I thought she was weird on her show when she talked about how adorable she was when she auditioned for Star Wars. I thought she was weird with her service dog Gary’s blog.

They just screamed for attention, the both of them.

R298. Your grandmother did May West? Spill.

All of you who say Debbie lived off Singing in the Rain and was known as the spurned wife, are nuts. I knew nothing of those things in the 1960s, all I knew was that Debbie was a perky and fun if limited actress who worked a lot - every year a new film.

R305, Back in 1991 Carrie called me and talked about Harrison Ford. It was jokey, irreverent remarks made about him. I didnt think she regarded their affair as all that serious.

It was Paul Simon she never got over, in my opinion. She cried over him, for years afterward. She liked George Lucas and considered him a friend. Debbie used Carrie, like many other women did. Carrie told me that she knew all of her girlfriends, with a few exceptions, were using her to get money or acting jobs.

I was NOT a friend of Carrie's, although I knew her for decades and and had close Physical contact. I did not use drugs, ever.

She did know some nice e women, however.

[quote]It was Paul Simon she never got over, in my opinion.

Paul Simon is a queen.

Carrie was one ugly looking hag the last years of her life. At least her mom was still beautiful.

By 2012, Carrie's eyes changed into what I call 'heroin eyes.' They looked completely black, and had a watery film over them. I saw her in Trader Joe's where she seemed friendly, but stoned. I was horrified by Carrie's drug use, always.

Again, her mother begged me to "write her on the internet," and said, "after all, she wrote nice things about you in her books."

But I had a long and painful history with Carrie that I did not want to resume. And I certainly didnt want to deal with 'heroin Carrie " who could be a most fearsome and destructive entity.

I explained to Debbie that I had nothing to offer a heroin addict, as I would be waiting her time, but there were many others who had that expertise.

By 2015, Carrie would pull up to me on the road and scream at me. Once she actually got out of her car at a red light and made weird comments to me like "I liked you better when you took the bus."

Once she was in her Cooper with a younger woman and I heard Carrie yelling about committing suicide soon. As they drove by me the young woman had a shocked and pained expression on her face.

RIP Carrie

Carrie never really recovered from Liz Taylor's death. Liz had become for her a kind of idealized second mother whose exploits Carrie would read about, but also hear of directly from Liz. So there was this dichotomous reality. Also, Carrie both was grateful to AND resented Liz for "taking away" Eddie. Grateful, because Carrie was perceptive enough to know that had Eddie stayed, the rancor that already existed between him and Debbie would have turned caustic and spilled over to the kids.

Once Carrie and I were at my place, channel surfing, and we came across "Butterfield 8," in which Eddie costarred. She started her Carrie chuckle and when I asked her about it, she said that years after the movie was made, Liz told her about all the fucking that went on during filming. For example, just before the filming of that opening sequence, where Liz wakes up all rumpled, "the day after," she and Eddie had been hard at it in their dressing room. Liz also told her that any brains that Eddie had were in his "shvantz" (sp?). That struck me as a bit "inappropriate."

Carrie was a good sport, when the demons were sleeping. I miss her.

Debbie was standing behind me at Trader Joe’s. She tapped me on the shoulder and asked me if her hair looked fake. I said it looked like a cheap Korean wig. She slapped the chewing gum right out of my mouth.

Julie, I'm sure you could find more gum on one of your burglary sprees.

I remember seeing Debbie at Trader Joe's, just before they closed on night.

She was tap-dancing on plastic milk crate, next to the bagged nuts.

I could hear her voice even before I turned down that aisle: "There's more razzamatazz where THAT came from, boys!"

ONE night.

Years ago on a flight to Vegas Carrie verbally attacked me and yelled loudly that my father was a nazi. She was out of it on either medication or drugs.

I waved over a flight attendant to hush her up, because she causing a scene.

She finally quieted down but not before she yelled my name and insisted that "we'll be together after we're dead."

Brian lourd and her sisters looked rather meloncholic.

I remember running into Debbie in a restaurant in Brentwood.

I was wearing a very short skirt. Debbie kept licking her lips and yelling across to me (in a very bad Danish accent): "Oooooh, honey! Dat's vat I vant!"

It made me very uncomfortable. I just smiled and asked to be seated outside.

Once, many years ago I was on the same flight to Vegas with Carrie and Meryl Streep...Yes, they flew cattle car with the rest of us on Southwest airlines They sat up front and were very kind to the crew and fellow passengers.

Carrie saw me and mouthed something rude to me.

As they walked across the airport I noticed for the first time that Carrie had a bump on her back and walked with pain.

I wondered if she had scoliosis.

I was at a wrap party for "In and Out."

Carrie was there, which was odd as she wasn't involved in the film (although she kept hinting that she'd written the best lines, which was pissing Paul off immensely, but he just laughed.)

She announced with a look-at-me! flutter that she HAD to leave to go home to finish a puzzle that was pornographic.

When she left, I went to take the seat at the table she had vacated. Fortunately, I looked down before doing so. There was a coil of hot feces lying there like a rattle snake.

One time I was at Trader Joe’s and Debbie was running her hands through all of the grapes. I suggested she stop. She slapped me so hard I lost a contact. Then she said, “RAZMATAZZ, bitch!!!” I disliked Singin’ in the Rain after that.

I have the scoop on you, Julie the Burglar.

You complained too much about how Carrie made you sit and watch "those boring black and white movies."

Such tawdry tard'ness is you, bitch.

MRS. MINIVER ROCKS!

I think R305 nailed it !

Thank you for the entertainment provided by the batshittery in this thread.

I don’t find any of this amusing. In fact it’s rather tiresome.

My favorite gay SM porno is "Slingin' in the Rain."

True story: Carrie and her then young daughter approached me in a Barnes and noble and started to quiz me about me abouy my recent whereabouts. Carrie stared at me suspiciously and asked me odd questions, like had I been in her house!

Carrie swore up and down that she had seen me walking around her house one night. I insisted that I have never been in her home. Catherine, her daughter listened intensely.

Evidently, the whole issue was that Carrie thought I had bilocated in her bedroom and was remote viewing her.

I don't know what her daughter thought about all this.

HAD you been in her house?

No, R329. I do not trespass or commit break ins. I am not a criminal.

I explained to them that I do not bilocate. But if I could, I would never do it for fear of terrifying someone.

I bilocate.

You trilocate.

[quote]Michaels is very good, but Debbie is worse than community theater.

Horsehit, no one did Zsa Zsa and Eva Gabor better and did them together showing the difference and was spot on.

[quote]The Loon quotient will reach high when the Joan Jett Loon starts posting that Debbie Reynolds sang well enough but couldn't match Joan Jett's basic sound. And Debbie never wrote her songs whereas Joan Jett wrote 60!

r63- How nice to see Joan Jett mentioned in a thread about Debbie Reynolds dating gays, LOL! Never saw that one coming. On a related note though, I wouldn't say Joan Jett is gay, much as I might like to, considering some of her obvious lyrics about bisexuality, such as "Switch-hitter, she does either. Always in control. She's a teaser."

"Switch-hitter" is code for bisexual.

So, to the "Joan Jett is 100% gay" clown, sorry, but nah.

...In other words, lets set the record straight right now: NO, Joan Jett never dated Debbie Reynolds!

I read The Princess Diarist. I was surprised that it was basically a book focused on Harrison Ford. I know CF was young when filming Star Wars, but it was a situational fling for HF (who was married, filming was in London--no wife around). I was surprised that CF expanded it into an entire book.

She’d already already used up most of her life as material writing her many previous books. So she had to dig that up.

I read this thread, am very entertained and don't get it in the same way that I admit I love Richard Brautigan and Ishmael Reed and scratch my jaw amusedly knowing that I am probably not as cute upstairs as I think I am. And aint nothing wrong with that!

I was at Trader Joe's contemplating buying some Alaskan cod that seemed too under-priced to be real ($7.59 for 2 lbs.). I was a tad overweight then (for Hollywood) and wearing stretch pants but I was feeling good about myself after a session with my Viennese therapist. She helped me come to terms with and embrace my lesbianism.

Suddenly (a cliche) I noticed Carrie and Debbie. They were decked out in mother-daughter attire for one of their variety extravaganzas (matching polka-pot jumpers) and feeling familial and randy. They were buying nuts and junk food and giggling between themselves. I lowered my ballcap and sunglasses hoping to leave the store undetected.

As I finally settled on the cod - yes, I would buy it and make a low-cal meal based on a DeLaurentis YouTube video with sliced almonds - I felt a cold, hard hand pull down the back of my stretch pants and inset a finger up my sphincter as would my proctologist, Dr. Silverman (bless his heart). It was Debbie. Loaded out of her mind and wanting to take me to bed, as had happened in the past.

I slapped Debbie, Carrie slapped me, Debbie slapped Carrie and it wasn't long before store security arrived to throw us all out. I ended up having a hamburger with Dean Martin at Hamburger Habit.

Hollywood sucks.

Congrats, R339, best damn story I've heard on DL since the Deb Messing in Haiti: Who is this crazy cunt? tale.

LOL.

[R340] Thanks - I really appreciate that! This thread is particularly surreal!!!!!

I finally stopped going to Trader Joes because I, like many of you, was always running into Carrie and Debbie, drunk and haranguing the customers if they didn't shout out requests for show tunes.

I often shop without shoes and couldn't risk walking over shards from last bottle of "Two Buck Chuck" they'd viciously fought over.

These Trader Joe's stories are about as good as Debbie's last shows at the Southpointe.

R343 Bless your heart.

About six years ago Shelly Duval and her mother got behind me at yes, you guessed it, Trader Joe's.

Shelly was sweet and friendly and remembered me from the 1980s and that I knew Carrie.

Shelly was with her mom, who is a very attractive and dignified looking lady. Both of them were very polite, and were happy to chat about Carrie, those AA meetings in West Hollywood and herwork in the Shining.

I told Shelly that her performance in the Shining was in the top three greatest performances in actress history and that it must feel great going to sleep each night knowing she had done something so legendary.

Shelly told me that Kubrick was really hard on her. I said I was sorry to hear that. She also said she wanted to come back to acting.

It was as if time never passed for us, and we had just stepped out of that Fairfax meeting and we were both young women again.

I wonder how she's doing?

Hi Shelly and her mom!

I was at Trader Joe’s looking for sanitary napkins when I rounded a corner and literally crashed into Debbie with an armful of adult diapers. She reeked of Schnapps. As I helped her pick up the diapers, we caught each other’s eyes and she growled in a slow, deliberate voice: “What do you think of my hair?” I said, “It looks fine, Miss Reynolds. Is it Korean?” She hauled off and slapped me so hard my Kotex went flying across the aisle. Then she told me my pussy stunk and stormed off.

Why were the aisles of Whole Foods spared the Debbie/ Carrie melees?

R347 Shockingly the Whole Foods parking lot in BH is 10,000 times worse than the Trader Joe's parking lot in Weho. They could have traveled to other Whole Foods but probably could not risk the DUI/DWI.

Debbie inspired so much.

And didn't she also Do Dallas?

Elizabeth Dyke Taylor

cute boy

Christmas always reminds me of the last time I saw Debbie.

She'd stabbed a box of claret with a Bic ballpoint and was guzzling what wasn't pumping onto the linoleum in regular gushes, as if from a severed artery.

As she twirled around, she kept yelling, her pleated skirt rising precipitously: "Joe's to the World! Joe's to the World!"

I couldn't tell if she was singing. If it wasn't singing, it was something like singing.

I'm a little slow (or maybe just too tired for Debbie that day) and looked at her quizzically.

Exasperated, she yelled: "Joe's to the World! JOE'S!!!" pointing at the "Joe's" in the store's name on a bar of apricot oatmeal soap.

She then slipped on the claret. I grabbed the bar of soap before it, like Debbie, hit the floor.

R352, NOW I know why Liz, very late in life, befriended Colin Farrell!

and Farrell is gay!

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Carrie Fisher — 'And not that it matters, but my mother is not a lesbian! She's just a really, really bad heterosexual.'

It's a quote from her book

I'll never walk into TJs again without thinking of Debbie.

I'm fascinated by the pointy bra with the circle stitched cups.

"Are there any concrete, verifiable facts regarding Debbie’s alleged lesbianism?"

Well, there was that "I am a lesbian" concrete sculpture Debbie had in her backyard, but it was destroyed during the Northridge earthquake. Some lunatic broke into Debbies back yard during the commontion and took a sledgehammer to it. He destroyed all the lawn ornaments.

The whole neighborhood was left gnomeless.

Debbie mounted more Vegas show girls than Frank.

Not more than Lena.

"Verifiable...lesbianism "

R361--her performance in Molly Brown?

R255 Sorry dickly Beatty was a big time pussy hound. I don't know what you hear in flyover country queeny but your claim ain't so. One example...he was fucking Carly Simon. She went to her psychologist and complained about him and he told her another woman complained about him too! He was also fucking Lee Grant and Julie Christie when he did Shampoo. What fucking gay man juggles multiple women like that? None I know of. Oh when he was seeing Mary Tyler Moore, he had two phones in his hotel room speaking to Mary on one line and another woman on the other line!

R365, you must be new here. EVERY good-looking actor is gay on the Datalounge.

R366 No deary. Everyone is gay on Datalounge! Even the biggest pussy chaser is gay around here.

Carrie had a great figure in her thirties, in fact she was at her most beautiful layer in life. World class legs, sexy body. Gorgeous face. I saw her nude a few times. She was a sex goddess all right.

She had a small eaterie on Lake street in Pasadena, ca. She filmed us without my consent, however.

She hypnotized me and whoosh, there went my clothes!

I've mentioned this before, but just the other day a voice-teacher friend in NYC again remarked that years ago one her female students had done escort work and once one of her clients was Debbie. Nothing more specific.

Eddie Fisher deleted what he wrote of Debbie being gay in his autobiography after Carrie begged him to do so.

No, darling R370. Debbie threatened a lawsuit - that's what did it.

Carrie was never a "sex goddess" and never could be because she was 4'11" tall.

R381, Carrie was about 5 foot three, maybe 5 foot 4 until she hit her forties.

Carrie's whole body shrunk immensely, including her face and skull, if you can believe that.

I know that malnutrition will shrink a person as they age (Carrie never ate well) but how someone's head could get smaller is a mystery to me.

Even her feet looked smaller.

I am starting to think that one of her dealers was giving her experimental drugs or some really vile and damaging substances. I've seen people (assholes) hand Carrie things and she would just pop them in her mouth without questioning what it was.

Her behavior in her final years was beyond bipolar.

I know that Eddie Fisher was a douchebag, but Debbie sounds like she was a cunt of the highest order. I remember reading his autobiography and he said that Debbie loved to spend his money while she saved her own. I guess Harry Carl was karma for her. Wasn’t he the one who took her to the cleaners financially?

Debbie cried poverty while she drove around town in her luxurious white convertible.

I liked Eddie Fisher.

I remember telling Carrie how beautiful she was, and that she should stop using drugs for fear of losing her looks.

Carrie was beautiful while at her worst drug abuse, therefore I think she thought she was getting away with it.

I got busy with my life and kind of forgot about Carrie, figuring she would be well finally.

Oddly, I started "running into her" in various shops in my new neighborhood.

Carrie changed so radically I did not know who she was until long into our conversation!

She would find me in a store, start talking, and have her assistant film our conversations. Very bizarre.

She started to slur her words and seemed highly medicated. She always talked LOUDLY about us having "sex in her car."

She told me she was doing ECT and I could see some damage occurring. She accused me of things I didnt do, and tried to embarrass me while being filmed by her assistant.

Carrie had become paranoid and sad.

Whomever supplied her all those drugs should take some responsibility for her terrifying demise.

Well, Debbie didn't always tell the truth- that's for sure. She claimed she was so broke at one point she was living in her car. But Debbie owned a condo in Vegas for decades, up until she died.

Eddie Fisher told me privately that Debbie had put a "hit" on him years earlier.

I believed him.

Debbie wounded everyone in her circle.

R372, Carrie was a chunko, she didn't "shrink."

After Eddie died, Debbie would go on talk shows and insinuate that Eddie had a small penis, when in fact there are countless females who could confirm the opposite.

Debbie insinuated that Eddie was a bad lover, not that he had a small penis. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

She told Oprah he had a small penis. Both Debbie and Carrie were nuts. Todd must have been driven nuts putting up with both of them.

Yeah, well Todd had no other abilities than sucking of his mother's teet.. It not like he had a career, job or anything else to do.

[quote]Debbie insinuated that Eddie was a bad lover, not that he had a small penis.

Not true. She did, very spitefully, say on TV that he had a small dick.

But that was a lie. Elizabeth Taylor, who had seen many dicks, said it was enormous. Indeed, it was the only thing great about him.

teat.

I imagine income disparity was why she spent Eddie's money and saved her own. Couples make deals like that all the time. However when it comes time to move on the unwritten deal suddenly develops all kinds of ulterior motives.

In his last few years, Eddie mellowed out a great deal. Sometimes when I was over at Carrie's place, he and I would reminisce (well mostly he would, since he had a lot more to reminisce about). We'd sit out by the pool as the sun set and the air cooled almost to a shiver and he'd muse about the "if onlies" in his life.

One thing he regretted was how he'd treated Debbie. "Fame and fortune really bedazzled me," he'd say. "Debbie got the short end of the stick with me. I shoulda kept my schwantz in my pants, but man, back then there was hot and cold running pussy in this town, and I was just a kid from Philly. Was I supposed to turn down that prime quim? A guy's only human!"

He was real proud of Carrie, though. "How did a mug like me ever produce such a brain," was his refrain. He just marveled at her, even as he recognized in her the same bouts of mania that tormented him. The "howling dogs" was what he called them. "Man, are those dogs howling tonight." I miss Eddie.

[quote]Not true. She did, very spitefully, say on TV that he had a small dick.

She said it about Eddie, not you. Get over it. And where's your link with Elizabeth or anyone praising the Fisher legend?

R387, Ann-Margret could confirm Eddie's length and girth. Edie Adams once walked into Eddie's Las Vegas dressing room only to find A-M on her knees giving him a blow job extraordinaire.

Why don't you ring Annie up and pose the question?

The funny think is, Carrie had her own name for those bouts of mania. "The kleebers are visiting," she'd say. When I asked who the kleebers were, she said they were cousins to the blecks, but more refined. As for Eddie, toward the end she'd come a long way in accepting him for what he was-- both the good and the bad. Maybe they're somewhere shmoozing now.

WHO actually commented on his dick being large? Produce a link. And don't give me that "Ann-Margret could" bullshit. In reality, all anyone every said about Fisher is that he was a drugged up abusive asshole.

Debbie Reynolds FBI File EXPOSED: Scandalous Lesbian Past!

Goody two-shoes Debbie Reynolds had a taste for lesbian love, newly released FBI documents reveal!

Working under specific
orders from President Lyndon B. Johnson’s Oval Office,

G-men checked out the Singing in the Rain sweetheart and discovered both she and first hubby Eddie Fisher enjoyed same-sex romps.

According to newly declassified FBI files, a gay man told investigators,

“Fisher was a homosexual and his wife, Debbie Reynolds, was a person who engaged in both normal and homosexual relations.”

While the file contains “no more information” about Debbie and Eddie, other superstars caught in the probe

of Hollywood’s gay scene included Danny Kaye, Arthur Kennedy, director Vincente Minnelli, Twilight Zone creator Rod Serling and actress Shelley Winters!

Film historian Robert Osborne later claimed Debbie had a lesbian love affair with Bewitched star Agnes Moorehead.

Debbie vehemently denied sharing Agnes’ bed — but her son, Todd, reportedly confirmed the affair!

Meanwhile, Debbie’s daughter, Carrie Fisher, who also experimented with women, insisted:

“My mother is not a lesbian! She’s just a really, really bad heterosexual.”

I wonder if Agnew Moorehead's pet name for Debbie was "Derwood".

^^^^ Agnes, obviously....

Bullshit about Robert Osborne saying Debbie was gay.

Aggie was a hoot! I met her a few times since she was Carrie's godmother and they were quirky kindred spirits. I'll never forget the time she roared up on a Harley to Chasen's, for Carrie's 21st birthday party. Jane Withers was behind her, holding on for dear life and Aggie was all butched up, like Brando in "The Wild One," (or Mercedes McCambridge in "Touch of Evil"), leather jacket and all. Could that gal swagger! And a mouth like a drunken sailor! Good times...

R396, Jim? From the Hamlet?

R391, Elizabeth Rosemond Taylor Hilton Wilding Todd Fisher Burton Burton Warner Fortensky.

R396, did Aggie make a pass at you?

R396 Where was Paul Lynde in this mess?

When Agnes and Debbie played Marco Polo, they substituted the words with “colonel” and “lingus”.

According to Debbie, Agnes didn't know what a lesbian was! Oh and that " Morehead" was hyper religious.

I had never seen Billie acting before, but watched her on Graham Norton. She sounds just like Carrie, and even uses the same expressions. It was kind of spooky.

R368

Carrie Fisher's face was never evah anything great, even with 10 lbs of make-up.

So what? Carrie was a genius and funny as hell.

R405

Yes, of course. Loved how she took her fucked up childhood and turned it into a cottage industry.

Carrie Fisher bearded for Harrison Ford?

I think Paul Simon bearded for Carrie Fisher.

Nobody bearded for Carrie.

R400, Aggie was chummy with Paul from their time together on "Bewitched," but I only met him a couple of times. Once was when Carrie and I were in a speaking-terms phase and attended a Christmas party at Aggie's palatial ranch. (She called it her 'raunch," with the kind of high-brow leer that only she could make.) That was some spread.

Anyway, Paul was there, in full-on queen mode. A hoot and a half. He did this elaborate imitation of Alice Ghostley imitating him, which was very Meta, before that was a thing, since Paul had based his own persona on HER. Then he and Aggie did an amazing improv in which they switched their "Bewitched" roles. This was just before "Glass Bottom Boat," in which Paul had that drag scene, and I'll bet he used some of the improv stuff for that movie. He was really looking forward to working on that, since he was besotted with Rod Taylor and kept talking at the party about how he planned to get himself "some of that juicy Aussie ass." I hope he succeeded!

R399, No, Aggie never made a pass at me. I didn't know whether or not to be insulted by that!

[QUOTE]Debbie Reynolds: ‘Everyone I dated was gay. Except for Robert Wagner’

That's very nice Debbie, but what about the men you dated .. .. .. .. .. ? ? ?

R411 you should write a book!