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HBO's "Oz"

I just picked up the complete series at Wal-Mart for $39, which I thought was a steal. It's running for $100+ on Amazon.

This has got to be one of HBO's peak shows. Fantastic writing, brilliant performances, infinitely relevant. And wonderfully gay.

Any fans?

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by Anonymousreply 245March 17, 2023 7:57 PM

It was good for a while, the writing got progressively dumber as it went on though.

by Anonymousreply 1November 2, 2018 9:55 PM

Still, R1, they did a fantastic job of sustaining the main storylines and the integrity of each character.

I loved it from start to finish. This will be my third rewatch.

I haven't seen it in 3-4 years.

by Anonymousreply 2November 2, 2018 9:59 PM

Also, the amount of beautiful ass on display is a bit overwhelming at times.

by Anonymousreply 3November 2, 2018 10:01 PM

R3, don’t forget the tinymeat.

by Anonymousreply 4November 2, 2018 10:02 PM

R4 I'll never underestimate a grower ;)

by Anonymousreply 5November 2, 2018 10:04 PM

So much nudity. I don't think there was a single inch of Chris Meloni we didn't see except maybe for his spleen.

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by Anonymousreply 6November 2, 2018 10:11 PM

Yeah "Oz" had more male nudity than any show that has been on American TV. Weird that it is old now, but no HBO show in the years since has been willing to match them.

by Anonymousreply 7November 2, 2018 10:17 PM

I love how they dealt with the love story. Heartbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 8November 2, 2018 10:18 PM

You can watch the entire series on Amazon Prime Video. There is no need to buy DVD's.

by Anonymousreply 9November 2, 2018 10:20 PM

Oh wow, OP, I remember paying 40 bucks a season when I bought it so long ago. And how weird, I just remembered that Tobias Beecher was in my dream last night! Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 10November 2, 2018 10:20 PM

R9 I do stream mostly everything, but like to own hard copies of my favorite films and shows. I've always wanted to buy this one.

R10 Yeah, pricing is definitely what took me so long to buy the series. When I saw it for so cheap, I had to snatch it up.

It's an extremely underrated and overlooked show, imo. It can be said to be hugely responsible for the shift in premium cable shows. The tone, the sex, the violence, the cinematic quality of it all - it's influenced everything from The Sopranos to American Horror Story.

by Anonymousreply 11November 2, 2018 10:25 PM

Agreed r11, and everything else is just "Oz" in a different time and place. "Deadwood" is old west "Oz", GOT is medieval "Oz" and none of them come close.

by Anonymousreply 12November 2, 2018 10:29 PM

R12 HBO should consider rebooting it.

by Anonymousreply 13November 2, 2018 11:02 PM

With all the gay sex going on in that show were there any actual gay actors in the cast?

by Anonymousreply 14November 2, 2018 11:12 PM

It was insanely unbelievable. In the last season, a character's non-inmate father, a respectable and wealthy member of his community, visited his inmate son in prison and was violently killed by the inmate's enemies when they (inplausibly) got him alone, and yet there were absolutely no consequences, no news story about the killing, nothing. In real life, such an event would be the top story of the national news for days and would have triggered an enormous inquiry into the prison's workings; not on OZ.

by Anonymousreply 15November 2, 2018 11:18 PM

Loved it. Would enjoy seeing if it stands the test of time.

by Anonymousreply 16November 2, 2018 11:18 PM

[quote] GOT is medieval "Oz"


George R. R. Martin started writing "A Game of Thrones" in 1991, and published that novel in 1996. The show's first season is incredibly faithful to the first book.

"Oz" the TV series premiered in 1997.

by Anonymousreply 17November 2, 2018 11:21 PM

Yeah, I think because it was the first attempt at "prestige" television people overlooked a lot r15. A lot of the writing was pretty silly, and if the same plots happened nowadays people would be bitching about it.

by Anonymousreply 18November 2, 2018 11:21 PM

Yes r15, it wasn't as true to life as "Westworld" or "GOT" but we know to suspend our disbelief when we watch fictional cable shows.

by Anonymousreply 19November 2, 2018 11:23 PM

Christopher Meloni is definition of sex in this.

God, how I dreamt of riding his cock for hours.

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by Anonymousreply 20November 2, 2018 11:24 PM

"Oz" was like a prison based "Twilight Zone". Sure, a lot of it is implausible, but nonetheless poignant and effective.

by Anonymousreply 21November 2, 2018 11:27 PM

$39! That's about 50 cents per dick shot!

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by Anonymousreply 22November 2, 2018 11:30 PM

R22 lol. It's totally worth it, too. I'm watching episode three now as I peruse DL and I keep forgetting about my phone and getting sucked into the show.

by Anonymousreply 23November 2, 2018 11:33 PM

R6 he's so fucking hot.

by Anonymousreply 24November 2, 2018 11:36 PM

Great show. I think Vern Schillinger was the be all, end all of scary. Such a wonderful cast.

by Anonymousreply 25November 2, 2018 11:37 PM

Rita Moreno was amazing in this, too.

I loved the grace and sense of spirituality she brought to the grit and brawn.

by Anonymousreply 26November 2, 2018 11:40 PM

They could never replace the actors on OZ in a reboot, I am remembering Wangler, who I thought was so hot, on "The Wire" and a bunch of other people from "The Wire". Shit even Dana Reeve was on it as the governor's assistant or something? Kathryn Erbe, Edie Falco, etc. I think it was supposed to be some kind of launching point for the guy who played Miguel as he was always touted as the star, later he did a show called "Black Irish" or something and it tanked. Oh and Luiz Guzman was great on it, and Dean Winters! That show is great, OP, I envy you. I watched a bunch of it a few years back. Oh and Vern Schillinger, funny that he and Ryan O' Reilly now both are insurance spokespeople.

by Anonymousreply 27November 2, 2018 11:40 PM

R22 Damn. That's a hot cock.

This show is EVERYTHING.

by Anonymousreply 28November 2, 2018 11:45 PM

Fucking loved it, worst storyline was the aging drug to speed up your incarceration.

Best was all the rest, Gods I LOVE this show

by Anonymousreply 29November 2, 2018 11:47 PM

Oz reminds me of DL a bit, lol.

A bunch of horny, lovable ruthless cunts.

by Anonymousreply 30November 2, 2018 11:48 PM

I remember when Adebisi injected the old Italian gangster with an Aids needle and the guy then went to live in PC or the Aids ward and I think finally stopped hating gays. Also, the Luis Guzman plot where he was fucking ruthlessly coming after Miguel and shamed him into blinding the Latino guard for being a traitor. That was fucking good writing! The whole prisoner's dilemma there about not wanting to appear to be sympathetic to "the man" and how he was going to lose his high status in the Latino gang if he continued to let Luis fuck with him.

by Anonymousreply 31November 2, 2018 11:52 PM

R27 I'm sure a lot if not most of the principles would be willing to come back if it was well written.

I also think it would enjoy a big welcome back.

They could tackle so much with it. It would be insanely relevant.

by Anonymousreply 32November 2, 2018 11:53 PM

But did they have hearts of gold, r31?

by Anonymousreply 33November 2, 2018 11:53 PM

R33 I wanted them all to fuck me so they had much more than just hearts of gold.

by Anonymousreply 34November 2, 2018 11:55 PM

I loved it when it was on, until the last season. I don't even remember it, but I do remember hating it.

by Anonymousreply 35November 2, 2018 11:56 PM

R32 Most were dead by the end, the final bus trip out shows how few, jesus that last season was a bloodbath of regulars

by Anonymousreply 36November 2, 2018 11:57 PM

R36 What am I thinking, you're right.

They could find clever ways, though (different characters, flashbacks, etc.).

The last season was insane but it was epic and operatic and I loved that the show went out that way.

by Anonymousreply 37November 3, 2018 12:01 AM

[quote]I'm sure a lot if not most of the principles

PrinciPALS, dear.

by Anonymousreply 38November 3, 2018 12:05 AM

R38 You are why I love DL, lol. :-*

by Anonymousreply 39November 3, 2018 12:07 AM

Sex violence power.

by Anonymousreply 40November 3, 2018 12:07 AM

Thank you, r38.

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by Anonymousreply 41November 3, 2018 12:08 AM

[quote] Yes [R15], it wasn't as true to life as "Westworld" or "GOT" but we know to suspend our disbelief when we watch fictional cable shows.

"Westworld"and "Game of Thrones" are sci-fi/fantasy shows.

"Oz" was supposed to be gritty realism.

by Anonymousreply 42November 3, 2018 12:21 AM

With moments of surrealism, which were expertly set up, R42.

by Anonymousreply 43November 3, 2018 12:22 AM

Tremendous show, I loved it. And apropos of nothing the nude tattoed guy with his dick hanging out in the photo above is also a hard rock star, and was married to the porn star Tera Patrick. Think his name was Evan Seinfield?

by Anonymousreply 44November 3, 2018 12:40 AM

r44 Yes, he was the lead singer for Bio-Hazard, a shitty metal band.

by Anonymousreply 45November 3, 2018 12:43 AM

R17 I think he was referring to all the gratuitous sex/nudity.

by Anonymousreply 46November 3, 2018 1:02 AM

I never thought that OZ was supposed to be gritty realism. So many unrealistic things happened on that show. It definitely was surreal, as R43 noted.

by Anonymousreply 47November 3, 2018 1:03 AM

That is how I read it r46. The adult themes, violence, sex/nudity. Oz was the pioneer in terms of changing what you could do with television.

by Anonymousreply 48November 3, 2018 1:04 AM

The "Oz" parody they did when Jerry Seinfeld hosted SNL was a classic.

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by Anonymousreply 49November 3, 2018 2:06 AM

I watched it so see what the fuss was about. The gratuitous violence got tiresome very quickly. It seemed like every episode had someone being raped, tortured, maimed or killed. Didn't the final episode kill off most of the characters? I couldn't stand all that gross weekly violence. It got cartoonish and implausible. Violence for violence's sake.

by Anonymousreply 50November 3, 2018 2:10 AM

I always think of when George Michael watched "Oz" as a child on "Arrested Development."

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by Anonymousreply 51November 3, 2018 2:14 AM

"wonderfully" gay?

by Anonymousreply 52November 3, 2018 2:54 AM

Halfway through season 1 and I'm hooked again.

by Anonymousreply 53November 3, 2018 2:57 AM

Betty Lynn makes an appearance

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by Anonymousreply 54November 3, 2018 3:28 AM

Big deal! I was a love interest of 2 of the main characters r54!

by Anonymousreply 55November 3, 2018 3:30 AM

For some reason Wolfgang Cutler sadistically using Robson as a fucktoy was always the stand out moment. That and Brian Bloom's character. I was 16 when Oz premiered so this was adolsecent gay porn for me as my dial up connection took forever to download a 20 second clip from the internet.

Yes, I remember why Cutler was in prison... I try not to think about it.

by Anonymousreply 56November 3, 2018 3:32 AM

Loved this show for how truly unpredictable it could be but hated every frame of Patti Lupone and the way she pronounced breast cancer.

by Anonymousreply 57November 3, 2018 3:41 AM

Tobias Peaches singing in episode 6 still breaks me in two!

by Anonymousreply 58November 3, 2018 3:47 AM

*Tobias Beecher

And this is the singing scene.

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by Anonymousreply 59November 3, 2018 3:52 AM

R50 jacked off to every single episode, but really "hated all the violence". You can't make this shit up.

by Anonymousreply 60November 3, 2018 4:48 AM

I thought the love affair between Tobias Beecher and Chris Keller was the heart and soul of the series. I've never been to prison, but I've spent time in jail, and I could identify with a lot of it. I eventually had to stop watching, because I just got too fatigued with the violence. Anyway, their love story is about two otherwise straight men, who fall in love. I know DL thinks we just fetishize straight guys. I don't. But somehow, the context of their affair lends it a poignancy it otherwise wouldn't have had.

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by Anonymousreply 61November 3, 2018 6:05 AM

I thought Keller was gay? But yeah, that absolutely was the heart of the show. And Miguel and his demons.

by Anonymousreply 62November 3, 2018 6:06 AM

R62, From watching the series, I was always left with the impression that both men lived straight lives outside of prison. That they only discovered that their needs coincided when they were 'inside'. I mean, I was only in jail a month, and I saw that happen. A couple of my cellmates HAD been in prison, and I heard stories of their love affairs with other men. We always have stories about gay porn stars on DL that get caught up in the Gay 4 Pay debate, which I think is pretty ridiculous. Men who want sex will have sex with other men, regardless of their orientation. I mean, c'mon! Why wouldn't a man want to fuck a sexy man?

by Anonymousreply 63November 3, 2018 6:27 AM

Whatever happened to Tom Fontana who created the show and supervised it closely, no matter who the named show runner was? I remember that he and Dick Wolf, who created all the Law & Orders, were close friends and regularly shared ideas and actors, which is why people like Meloni and Dean Winters kept popping up in both all their shows. Dennis Farina's character on the original L&O was "Lt. Fontana" and rumored to be Wolf's tribute to Tom.

Fontana also produced a number of other hit shows like St. Elsewhere and Homicide: Life on the Street.

by Anonymousreply 64November 3, 2018 6:34 AM

Recently bought the DVD set on eBay myself.

Sadly not enjoying as much now but, in its day, it was fab-u-loud.

by Anonymousreply 65November 3, 2018 6:35 AM

Meloni and Dean Winters appeared in both SVU and Oz at the same time only because Fontana and Wolf carefully coordinated their shooting schedules together. Winters couldn't take it and left SVU after its first season; Meloni shot both shows at the same time for two or three years. (Winters came back to SVU years later as the same character after Meloni had left as a sometimes recurring character.)

by Anonymousreply 66November 3, 2018 6:48 AM

What happened to Meloni after the show? What has he been up to?

by Anonymousreply 67November 3, 2018 6:50 AM

R63 Love affairs as in “protecting their asses from being gang raped by others” or something else?

by Anonymousreply 68November 3, 2018 7:07 AM

Keller wasnt straight man, he was at least bisexual, most likely gay in denial. He was raping and killing gay men.

by Anonymousreply 69November 3, 2018 7:17 AM

[quote] I mean, c'mon! Why wouldn't a man want to fuck a sexy man?

For the same reason why a man wouldn't want to fuck a sexy woman.

by Anonymousreply 70November 3, 2018 7:22 AM

The Wire is better.

by Anonymousreply 71November 3, 2018 7:24 AM

[quote]The Wire is better.

Two rather different shows. Not a contest. Watch both.

by Anonymousreply 72November 3, 2018 7:28 AM

As far as gay cast members, off the top of my head there was BD Wong (Father Ray), as well as Steven Wishnoff (Masters) and James Palacios (Miss Fiona) from the gay gang.

by Anonymousreply 73November 3, 2018 7:34 AM

Nothing says "wonderfully gay" quite like being forced against your will to be a murderous Nazi's prison bitch!

by Anonymousreply 74November 3, 2018 7:36 AM

Over the years, I've known men who would have paid for that, r74.

by Anonymousreply 75November 3, 2018 7:39 AM

You seem to have a very, very, very different definition of "wonderful" than my own.

There are men who would also pay to have other men shit on their faces like Beecher does to Schillinger; but that scene doesn't make the show "wonderfully gay" to me either.

But perhaps it does to you.

by Anonymousreply 76November 3, 2018 7:44 AM

R61 Chris played this character very well. He was dangerous murderer yet able to care and love, sometimes. How many here would have loved to share their time with this manipulative character, who couldn’t be truster at all?

by Anonymousreply 77November 3, 2018 9:28 AM

[quote]R63 I mean, c'mon! Why wouldn't a man want to fuck a sexy man?

That is like saying, “Why wouldn’t a gay man want to fuck a sexy woman?”

by Anonymousreply 78November 3, 2018 10:55 AM

Hottest sex scene was R.E. Rodgers and his cell mate during the final season.

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by Anonymousreply 79November 3, 2018 11:11 AM

R64 a few years ago, Fontana remarried his ex-wife, and then she died.

by Anonymousreply 80November 3, 2018 1:43 PM

It was basically Prisoner Cell Block H with cock

by Anonymousreply 81November 3, 2018 1:57 PM

R61 Agreed.

by Anonymousreply 82November 3, 2018 2:16 PM

R64 St. Elsewhere is another underrated show.

by Anonymousreply 83November 3, 2018 2:19 PM

When I wrote"wonderfully gay", I meant "refreshingly and unabashedly gay" and I stan by that.

One thing I love most about this show is the dignity with which the gay characters were treated. They weren't condescended to or oversimplified.

I also love that they didn't shy away from the sex, which could range from violent to romantic.

I stopped watching 7 episodes in last night and was struck by how well it's held up and gripping it all still is.

by Anonymousreply 84November 3, 2018 2:32 PM

What it needed to make it "refreshingly and unabashedly gay" was a Hope Emerson character.

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by Anonymousreply 85November 3, 2018 2:38 PM

R61/R63 That love affair was everything. The writers did a fantastic job of exploring almost every angle of it, too.

It never felt inauthentic.

by Anonymousreply 86November 3, 2018 2:39 PM

I think we saw every main character's dick on the show - except for the guy I thought was the sexiest (Ryan O'Reily)

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by Anonymousreply 87November 3, 2018 2:42 PM

R87 We actually get a great shot of his cock in episode 5 or 6. Just saw it last night. It's after he's put in isolation after ratting on himself regarding a drug deal.

The scene is of him going crazy in the cell. They show his cock a few times.

by Anonymousreply 88November 3, 2018 2:50 PM

Yeah Dean Winters definitely got naked.

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by Anonymousreply 89November 3, 2018 2:53 PM

We liked Arian Daddy!

by Anonymousreply 90November 3, 2018 2:54 PM

R90 You would, lol.

by Anonymousreply 91November 3, 2018 2:59 PM

There was hardly any consequence to many of the killings. Like Brian Bloom being murdered with Keller's jizz smeared all over his face.They wouldn't have done a DNA test? Some prisoner also got shut up behind a new brick wall. No one was going to notice? I remember some guard being killed and nothing more ever being said about it. It was just kind of ridiculous in an otherwise interesting show.

by Anonymousreply 92November 3, 2018 3:33 PM

R92 'Some Prisoner' - was Luke Perry, who also showed his cock

by Anonymousreply 93November 3, 2018 8:45 PM

Thank you, R89. I don't know why I didn't remember that.

[quote]Luke Perry, who also showed his cock

Speaking of which . . .

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by Anonymousreply 94November 3, 2018 9:05 PM

I'm finishing season 1 tonight. These are my girls.

by Anonymousreply 95November 3, 2018 10:49 PM

Once again, OZ was not supposed to be realistic portrayal of prison life. It was a soap opera.

by Anonymousreply 96November 3, 2018 10:52 PM

I liked Scott Winters, who played O'Reily's retarded brother and is Dean Winters's real-life brother.

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by Anonymousreply 97November 3, 2018 10:54 PM

I heard from a friend that Westworld is total shit now, all "men are evil" storylines. I remember Thandie Newton complained about all her nudity on WW and how degrading it was or something and to that I say, "hunty, watch OZ, you got off lightly!" I appreciate the gore and un-pc'ness of OZ.

by Anonymousreply 98November 3, 2018 10:55 PM

Kathryn Erbe was so evil as Shirley Bellinger that I rejoiced when she started playing a good guy on L&O: Criminal Intent.

by Anonymousreply 99November 3, 2018 10:58 PM

r99 "But...you're a nigger!"

by Anonymousreply 100November 3, 2018 11:04 PM

really, that is a good deal I need to go by Walmart.

by Anonymousreply 101November 3, 2018 11:35 PM

I was surprised to learn that Kathryn Erbe was married to Terry Kinney (McManus). Out of all the characters who you would think one would hate for their crimes, the character I hated most was McManus. He was so sanctimonious.

[quote]As far as gay cast members, off the top of my head there was BD Wong (Father Ray), as well as Steven Wishnoff (Masters) and James Palacios (Miss Fiona) from the gay gang.

There was also Mike Doyle. It was the first thing I had ever seen him in and I hated him so much as Adam Guenzel that it was only until recently I could see him in another show or film without wanting to punch him in the face.  Charles Busch also had a recurring role.

by Anonymousreply 102November 4, 2018 12:04 AM

I'm on the last episode of season 1.

omg omg omg.

I wish this show was new again. It's too fucking good.

by Anonymousreply 103November 4, 2018 5:13 AM

I can't ever find anything good at Walmart.

by Anonymousreply 104November 4, 2018 5:18 AM

I lusted for Granville Adams as Zahir Arif.

Honorable mentions: Kirk Acevedo, R. E. Rodgers, J. K. Simmons, and Eamonn Walker.

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by Anonymousreply 105November 4, 2018 5:34 AM

The Beecher/Keller love affair felt authentic because they were fucking in real life.

by Anonymousreply 106November 4, 2018 5:40 AM

[quote] What it needed to make it "refreshingly and unabashedly gay" was a Hope Emerson character.

Or a Franklin Pangborn one.

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by Anonymousreply 107November 4, 2018 5:46 AM

I loved when they walled up Luke Perry's preacher! JK Simmons (Schillinger) has an Oscar. Supporting, but still. Just like Sr. Pete.

by Anonymousreply 108November 4, 2018 5:48 AM

Luke Perry was really good in his guest spot.

by Anonymousreply 109November 4, 2018 5:50 AM

Cyril walking to his death- makes me weep.

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by Anonymousreply 110November 4, 2018 5:51 AM

He really was, R109.

by Anonymousreply 111November 4, 2018 5:51 AM

R103 the other day I was just discussing with my hairdresser that they should make a pill that will make you forget movies/TV shows you've already watched so that you can experience watching them anew.

by Anonymousreply 112November 4, 2018 2:43 PM

R112 This show is so good, it feels like your experiencing it anew each time you rewatch it.

by Anonymousreply 113November 4, 2018 3:23 PM

r112 Wait until you get older. You won't need a pill for that. (But you probably will for other things.)

by Anonymousreply 114November 4, 2018 3:52 PM

R114 LOL

by Anonymousreply 115November 4, 2018 4:03 PM

It has the same effect on me The Twilight Zone and Star Trek have. Something about the monotone setting and the talkiness of it all, which is very soothing and relaxing and, due to the topic matter, at times even a bit contemplative.

A poignant classic.

by Anonymousreply 116November 4, 2018 4:11 PM

[quote]Kathryn Erbe was so evil as Shirley Bellinger that I rejoiced when she started playing a good guy on L&O: Criminal Intent.

And I rejoiced when JK Simmons played the kindly dad in Juno.

by Anonymousreply 117November 4, 2018 5:10 PM

I met a guy whose introduction to JK was Juno so he was shocked how good he was at playing a hardass in Whiplash. I told him to look up his scenes in Oz if he really wanted to be shocked.

by Anonymousreply 118November 4, 2018 5:22 PM

Believe it or not, the only thing I really remember about Bellinger was when she was bring dragged to the gallows and then started screaming for God to forgive her. I thought the character was just ridiculous and the situation of her being the only female inmate in Oz being absurd.

by Anonymousreply 119November 4, 2018 5:38 PM

OT: Kathryn Erbe was set to replace S. Epatha Merkerson on the original Law & Order playing her Criminal Intent character. (Merkerson was leaving voluntarily, which was why she got that nice little story arc the final season.) And then the show was unexpectedly canceled at the last minute

by Anonymousreply 120November 4, 2018 5:50 PM

To enter Oz you must be willing to relinquish your ego and to set aside petty desires, needs and wounds. It is a tour de force of surrealism and gritty reality juxtaposed to make the exploration of the infinite and inevitable relatable and palpable, which it does with total abandon.

It is also one of the very best "gay shows" ever because it wasn't trying to be that but totally was that and so much more.

by Anonymousreply 121November 4, 2018 5:55 PM

Howard Stern aptly noted that the reason it was a hit was because there was so much cock shown and it had a huge gay following.

by Anonymousreply 122November 4, 2018 6:02 PM

OZ and QUEER AS FOLK were on around the same time. Which was more popular with gays?

by Anonymousreply 123November 4, 2018 6:02 PM

R110 I keened when they finally, FINALLY killed Cyril, it had been building for many seasons, ( and we all know how OZ raced thru storylines), and when it finally happened I was devastated. Great acting and writing all round

by Anonymousreply 124November 4, 2018 6:07 PM

Not to mention her sparkling turn as Patsy Nixon, r99!

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by Anonymousreply 125November 4, 2018 6:14 PM

Pat or Patricia, never Patsy.

by Anonymousreply 126November 4, 2018 6:17 PM

R126 wasn't her full name Thelma Catherine Nixon (née Ryan;)? Where the hell did "Pat" come from?

by Anonymousreply 127November 4, 2018 6:25 PM

It wasnt popular, really. Ratings were bad, as i remember.

by Anonymousreply 128November 4, 2018 6:28 PM

"All hope abandon ye who enter here" is from Dante's 'Divine Comedy', all the way back from the 1300s. 'Oz' is almost like a tour of purgatory, or even hell. Every time I watched Beecher and Keller kissing, I had a lurking terror that Keller was going to turn around and snap Beecher's neck. The fear never dissipates, the tension never evaporates. I liked watching a show that depicted some intimacy between men, but it also showed some tremendous brutality, which is why I couldn't watch after a few seasons.

by Anonymousreply 129November 4, 2018 6:44 PM

R128 Yeah, rating were so bad it ran for six seasons.....

by Anonymousreply 130November 4, 2018 6:49 PM

"Oz" bears no resemblance to reality. Even the worst American prisons were never like THAT.

by Anonymousreply 131November 4, 2018 6:59 PM

[quote]"Oz" bears no resemblance to reality.

You don't say? It was a prime time soap, not a docudrama.

by Anonymousreply 132November 4, 2018 7:02 PM

R131 Oh My God, do you mean it was a TV show?

by Anonymousreply 133November 4, 2018 7:02 PM

R133 I have noticed that the younger generation expects realism in everything, including cartoons. I was watching a FAMILY GUY clip where Lois asks Peter what happened to his wallet, and he said "I must've left it with my other family." Then there's a cutaway of Peter bidding adieu to Lois et al., getting on a plane, arriving in Chicago, changing into women's clothing in the taxi, and arriving at his other home all made up where his husband and three children await him. Funny, right? But the young'uns in the comments section are all like "How is that possible?" "Did they adopt?" "Is Peter gay?" They can't just take a joke at face value.

by Anonymousreply 134November 4, 2018 7:11 PM


It were different back then. I think Oz was first HBO drama, before Soprano, before The Wire. It made the way but it never was as succesful with viewers and critics and awards as those other iconic HBO shows. I love this show to death. So many terrific moments.

by Anonymousreply 135November 4, 2018 7:16 PM

"Oh My God, do you mean it was a TV show?"

I'm sure a lot of the fans of this show thought it was an accurate depiction of a tough prison. TV audiences are not known for any substantial intelligence, and you, most certainly, are proof of that.

by Anonymousreply 136November 4, 2018 7:17 PM

R136 'You are sure...', oh then it MUST be real cause you are sure. So sure.....

by Anonymousreply 137November 4, 2018 7:21 PM

R137 must be truly ignorant if he thinks tv audiences don't believe in the "reality" of what they see on their tv screens, even if the show is fictional. Very ignorant indeed.

by Anonymousreply 138November 4, 2018 7:25 PM

SISTER PETE...shouted a la Austin Pendelton after decades in solitary.....

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by Anonymousreply 139November 4, 2018 7:25 PM


Nobody believed in reality of Oz. They had aging pills, for God sake.

by Anonymousreply 140November 4, 2018 7:27 PM

"Nobody believed in reality of Oz."

Oh, come on. TV audiences aren't that bright. A lot of them believe in what they see on these shows, no matter how outlandish is it. There are some people who believe that "Grey's Anatomy" is an accurate depiction of a hospital and its staff. And THAT show is just as implausible as "Oz."

by Anonymousreply 141November 4, 2018 7:32 PM

[quote] Nobody believed in reality of Oz. They had aging pills, for God sake

Ryan O'Reilly, the biggest puller of ploys and all around snake not being killed was the biggest implausible aspect of that show.

by Anonymousreply 142November 4, 2018 7:34 PM

R141, my friend worked as a telephone operator in Washington during the '70s. She would routinely get calls from people who wanted to know the phone numbers of people on Soap Operas so they could warn them of what was happening in Pine Valley, Genoa City, etc.

by Anonymousreply 143November 4, 2018 7:37 PM

R142 Balls, Ryan played the game the best, and he lost everything except his life, because of his machinations.

by Anonymousreply 144November 4, 2018 7:44 PM


Well, some members of tv audience are dumb. But i doubt OZ attracted same audience as Grey' Anathomy. It was particular type of show. Cant imagine dumb person liking it.

by Anonymousreply 145November 4, 2018 7:45 PM

That was a reference to this Fannie Flagg album which, apparently, I was the only person to own, r126.

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by Anonymousreply 146November 4, 2018 7:49 PM

R145 I really doubt watchers of 'Young and the Restless' watched OZ, judging by the retarded threads on Y and R here

by Anonymousreply 147November 4, 2018 7:49 PM

r144 Exactly, Ryan was the smartest man in OZ and had protection from people who needed him for his scamming abilities, he had his fingers in all the pies.

by Anonymousreply 148November 4, 2018 7:50 PM

I hate that storyline of Ryan pining over that stupid doctor played by the awful Lauren Velez.

by Anonymousreply 149November 4, 2018 7:56 PM

It also was the start for Edie Falco on HBO which, I'm sure, lead to her being cast as Carmella Soprano.

by Anonymousreply 150November 4, 2018 7:56 PM

R150 Sure was, she moved to England to fuck a British bobbie in the show, via a letter to McManus, God who would fuck McManus, that moron

by Anonymousreply 151November 4, 2018 7:59 PM

This thread is making me horny as fuck!

Especially the Meloni hole presentation!

by Anonymousreply 152November 4, 2018 8:03 PM

R152 lol.

by Anonymousreply 153November 4, 2018 10:03 PM

omg, so hot

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by Anonymousreply 154November 4, 2018 10:28 PM

Richard Speck grew some nice titties for all the BBC in jail.

by Anonymousreply 155November 4, 2018 10:32 PM

A former white supremist gang member speaks to Louis about his relationship with a Jewish male prisoner

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by Anonymousreply 156November 4, 2018 10:42 PM

Starting season 2 tonight.

by Anonymousreply 157November 5, 2018 12:23 AM

Omg. Ahhh!

by Anonymousreply 158November 5, 2018 2:42 AM

Keller has finally arrived. I'm midway through season 2.

by Anonymousreply 159November 6, 2018 4:32 PM

Almost done with season 2.

So good.

by Anonymousreply 160November 11, 2018 10:24 AM

Was the actual gay actor on the show the one that played the gay inmate that gets his throat slit with a razor blade in the shower by a guy that pretends to come onto him to get him alone?

by Anonymousreply 161November 11, 2018 12:20 PM

R161 How dare you?

by Anonymousreply 162November 11, 2018 12:28 PM

fuck. the gay guy on death row is painfully beautiful. Season 3.

by Anonymousreply 163November 11, 2018 8:55 PM

R163 what's his name?

by Anonymousreply 164November 11, 2018 9:01 PM

R164 Too lazy to look it up, but he's in ep 1 of season

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by Anonymousreply 165November 11, 2018 9:11 PM

I liked him too. I think he shows his dick to Shirley Bellinger.

by Anonymousreply 166November 11, 2018 9:25 PM

R166 yes!

by Anonymousreply 167November 11, 2018 10:05 PM

R166 Richie was a darling, great death, great bod. God I love this show.

I love that Russian who turns up after the big buildup in season one, he has one scene and is then killed and left hanging upside down in the rec area, so fucking funny

by Anonymousreply 168November 12, 2018 3:53 AM

Bump, cuz I just got sucked into streaming this show out of nowhere. It was originally on when I was way too young to watch it (like, kindergarten age), and while I've heard it whispered about ever since I've never really bothered to check it out because it didn't seem my cup of tea (and I was a BAD GIRLS fan, so I don't know why I maintained that). Now I'm eating my hat.

My favourite character so far is Jason Cramer, the gay boxer. His character was a refreshing example of a totally masculine and completely gay prisoner, and his arc is the only uplifting 'happy ending' story in the whole show' I love how he just walks away free with a triumphant smile, a swish, and a middle finger at the end. Don't ask me why I get this impression, but the way the actor plays the character reminds me a little of Corey Haim (RIP).

I'm also with a lot of the above posters with stanning Ryan O'Reilly and his wicked schemes, and wishing he had been in the show way more. I find Sister Pete enthralling, and I also like her assistant colleague the nelly Asian priest (don't come for me, but I keep forgetting his damn name) who is very adorable and sweet in an understated way and in marked contrast to his surroundings. Keller fucking terrifies me, and that along with the soapy swerves in his s/l puts me off the epic Beecheller romance, though I get that is part of the charm for others. I always look forward to Augustus Hill's monologues, too - why isn't Harold Perrineau getting big roles, now? (last thing I saw him in was LOST).

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by Anonymousreply 169November 20, 2020 10:19 PM

Actress Kristin Rohde who played the nasty corrections officer Claire Howell to great effect died of cancer in 2016 at age 52.

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by Anonymousreply 170November 20, 2020 10:30 PM

R170 so young. She was a fine actress. What sort of cancer got her? I can’t find info online.

Never forget Claire fucked Ryan & Chris, electrocuted Stanislofsky, and cut Morales tendons. Bitch was fearless.

by Anonymousreply 171November 21, 2020 11:48 AM

Meloni had more chemistry with Winters than with Tergesen.

Like at the end of this episode, when Keller warns O'Reilly not to hurt Beecher, and Ryan retorts "don't make any threats, K-Boy. Might put me in a bad fucking mood." all up in Chris's face.

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by Anonymousreply 172November 21, 2020 3:29 PM

The lineup of guest stars from Broadway is remarkable. Not just betty Lynn and Patti, but Elaine, Uta Hagen, John McMartin, Dana Ivey, Joel Gray, Natascia Diaz, Charles Busch, Austin Pendelton, Rita Moreno, B.D Wong....it really was incredible.

by Anonymousreply 173March 24, 2021 9:38 PM

[quote]Never forget Claire fucked Ryan & Chris, electrocuted Stanislofsky, and cut Morales tendons. Bitch was fearless

And showed off her A cup tits. FEARLESS. RIP to a real one.

by Anonymousreply 174March 24, 2021 9:54 PM

Kirk Acevedo was so fucking hot. Hot Latino. Wow. Sex on legs. I still want him.

by Anonymousreply 175March 24, 2021 10:04 PM

I love Oz when I’m done rewatching P Valley I’m going to watch it again.

by Anonymousreply 176March 24, 2021 10:07 PM

I cried like a bitch at the Beecher and Chris meloni romance

by Anonymousreply 177March 24, 2021 10:08 PM

[quote] You can watch the entire series on Amazon Prime Video. There is no need to buy DVD's.

You can also check out books from the library. That doesn't mean I don't want to own many of them.

by Anonymousreply 178March 24, 2021 10:09 PM

Chris Meloni was the hottest actor on TV, then and now.

by Anonymousreply 179March 24, 2021 10:13 PM

Here is a Beecher and Keller fanfiction written by a gay man and not a woman which is rare.

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by Anonymousreply 180March 24, 2021 10:18 PM

Is this on streaming anywhere?

by Anonymousreply 181March 24, 2021 10:25 PM

R131, As someone who may or may have not worked in correctional facilities in an earlier life, it did strike a chord for me in certain respects.

I loved ALL the male peen action. Only show I can remember being so male nudity friendly.

by Anonymousreply 182March 24, 2021 10:34 PM

Brian Bloom was so hot in the show.

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by Anonymousreply 183March 24, 2021 10:36 PM

I love when Luke Perry was on as a preacher

by Anonymousreply 184March 25, 2021 4:11 AM

R183 He sure was. I still love watching his nudes scene in the shower with Chris Meloni.

by Anonymousreply 185March 25, 2021 4:21 PM

Poet died.

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by Anonymousreply 186March 26, 2021 12:47 AM

And, Shit, Granville Adams is ill as fuck. At least he got off the murder charge. That was some totally OZ shit.

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by Anonymousreply 187March 26, 2021 1:25 AM

My favourite was always Ryan. It’s so sad hot af Dino Ortelani didn’t make it past episode one

by Anonymousreply 188March 27, 2021 7:34 PM

Did bd Wong go full-frontal?

by Anonymousreply 189March 28, 2021 7:24 PM

^ No. But everyone else did.

We must thank the advisor who told Ryan O'Reilly that men were thrown into the hole naked. He demanded this happen to him so for the rest of the show, when everyone was thrown in the hole they were naked. And then....at the final cast party he admitted he had lied, as a joke, but Ryan had believed him, and the rest is TV cock history.

by Anonymousreply 190March 28, 2021 7:27 PM

Thank goodness he didn't say they were thrown into the hole in a peignoir and marabou mules!

by Anonymousreply 191March 28, 2021 7:34 PM

BD Wong was so hot. I loved father Mukada as a character.

by Anonymousreply 192March 29, 2021 12:54 AM

[quote]But everyone else did.

I beg your pardon!

by Anonymousreply 193March 29, 2021 1:20 AM

^ Ha, indeed. I don't think JK got his cock out either. Forgot Sayid did a fucking beautiful long cock shot when he was getting out of the hole.

by Anonymousreply 194March 29, 2021 1:22 AM

Meloni's cock and ass belong in the Smithsonian.

by Anonymousreply 195March 29, 2021 1:54 AM

I tried watching some episodes of this series to see what the fuss was about. But I couldn't stomach the endless gratuitous violence. And the writing really wasn't all that. It was the same thing. over and over. On every episode somebody got raped, maimed or killed. Same old same old. Seeing naked cocks and asses didn't make up for that.

by Anonymousreply 196March 29, 2021 1:58 AM

R196 Cannot recall a TV show that has ever ventured into the areas the show does. The effects of rape on men, where does violence come from, how men who fuck other men but see themselves as 'straight' make that distinction, the effects of religion. BUT, I have had many friends who cannot get over the violence of the show, so you are not alone.

by Anonymousreply 197March 29, 2021 2:05 AM

I can't decide which Winters brother is the hottest. I'll take both!

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by Anonymousreply 198March 29, 2021 2:09 AM

We almost lost Dean.

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by Anonymousreply 199March 29, 2021 2:13 AM

What I loved about OZ and still love about it now was that it was a show where the majority of the protagonists were the worst of the worst, yet the show still made you want to care about them and root for them. This was way before the anti-hero era of HBO like THE SOPRANOS and DEADWOOD.

To have a show where these people do the most heinous things to each other and others and you are still invested to them is a testament to the writers and the casting agent who assembled that cast. It showed the darkness in people that no one really wants to explore.

by Anonymousreply 200March 29, 2021 2:28 AM

I loved that too

by Anonymousreply 201March 29, 2021 2:42 AM

I’m rewatching Oz now and I must have softened because seeing poor Cyril being tormented by the mean inmates almost makes me cry. Poor Cyril 😔

by Anonymousreply 202March 31, 2021 2:13 AM

SPOILER. Wasn't almost the entire cast killed off in the final episode? I thought that was excessive. But then everything on this show was excessive.

by Anonymousreply 203March 31, 2021 11:09 PM

No Keller sent anthrax post death and the show ends with Oswald being evacuated. Season four finished with Emerald City blowing up but few died.

by Anonymousreply 204March 31, 2021 11:12 PM

This show is excellent. Top 5 television dramas of all time.

It’s almost too real. The kind of thing that will stay with you for 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 205March 31, 2021 11:32 PM

Sorry, thought this was ‘the Wire’ thread.

I never could get into OZ. Too stark and dreary.

by Anonymousreply 206March 31, 2021 11:33 PM

Soap opera for homoerotically-inclined straight dudes.

For being such a man-centric show, it had some great and memorable female characters -- Officer Claire, Shirley Bellinger, Sister Peter Marie.

by Anonymousreply 207March 31, 2021 11:37 PM

"Keller sent anthrax post death and the show ends with Oswald being evacuated."

The final episode "Exeunt Omnes" did feature a lot of deaths. They were:

Jeremiah Cloutier - buried behind a wall.

Jaz Hoyt - stabbed to death

Cyril O'Reily - executed by electric chair

Vernon Shillinger - stabbed in the heart

Chris Keller - committed suicide

Aryan Brotherhood- died after exposure to some unknown substance while sorting mail

Two named COs: died after exposure to unknown substance.

by Anonymousreply 208March 31, 2021 11:46 PM

^ And yet, still. Not the entire cast. And Clothier had been dead for a season and a half.

by Anonymousreply 209April 1, 2021 12:53 AM

[quote]Jeremiah Cloutier - buried behind a wall.

Of all the vicious deaths on OZ, Cloutier was one that got to me the most. He was set afire, if I remember correctly, then the Aryans put him behind the wall. Just imagining dying that way is too much for me.

by Anonymousreply 210April 2, 2021 12:37 AM

I’m now on season 2 I’d forgotten how soapy it got. It’s still good though I love when Luke Perry is astral projecting and terrorizing Jaz Hoyt

by Anonymousreply 211April 11, 2021 2:59 AM

Season 5 I mean

by Anonymousreply 212April 11, 2021 2:59 AM

In the process of rewatching Oz now. My husband and I are hung up on the whole Cyril O'Riley "I was hit on the head and now I'm a little girl" thing. Does this happen? I don't think this happens.

by Anonymousreply 213April 11, 2021 3:16 AM

Lol neither 213 I love Cyril though. I forgot about the hot Asian inmates we see in season 5.

by Anonymousreply 214April 11, 2021 3:26 AM

My favorite character was the Warden. He always seemed fair and sensible.

One time, Rita Moreno (Sister Pete?) had a disagreement with him and he had to fire her. It was really because she had been in Gantry, and later, when she asked for her job back, he just said, "Okay."

She was stunned. "You mean I don't have to beg for it?" she asked.

I felt sorry for the young guy whose shoes kept being stolen. But then why did he deface that statue (painting?). He had a major role in that one episode, yet I don't think we ever heard him speak.

by Anonymousreply 215April 11, 2021 4:26 AM

R213 how do you mean?

by Anonymousreply 216April 11, 2021 4:29 AM

I love when the two rapists douche bros came to prison and the aryans made one of them a prag. And then we got this amazing scene.

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by Anonymousreply 217April 11, 2021 4:31 AM

R215 Leo was an asshole. Worst Warden ever. For the whole show she was a cunt to prisoners he hated. Mainly directed at Peter Schibetta and Alveraz. But others as well.

Robson was my favourite prisoner. From Nazi fuck to destroyed rape victim. Good writing.

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by Anonymousreply 218April 12, 2021 1:51 PM

The Robson "spooning" scene is epic, particularly because of R.E. Rodgers phat ass...

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by Anonymousreply 219April 12, 2021 5:41 PM

It’s hard to pick a favourite because there’s such great characters on this show but I’d have to pick Ryan O’Reilly

by Anonymousreply 220April 13, 2021 2:09 AM

R219 Robson seems to be fucking trannys in real life now. What a waste.

by Anonymousreply 221July 4, 2021 2:27 AM

Watching Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and JK Simmons rape the stuck up fresh meat is alone worth the purchase price!

by Anonymousreply 222July 4, 2021 2:39 AM

I loved Adebisi

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by Anonymousreply 223July 4, 2021 3:08 AM

Nice that Rita Moreno got a revival. And then got cancelled.

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by Anonymousreply 224July 4, 2021 4:33 AM

Yes R32 and R36 it would (unfortunately) be hard to do a reboot with a lot of the favorite characters now deceased.

You're lucky OP. Things go in and out of streaming to make way for other shows, but a box set lasts forever!

by Anonymousreply 225July 4, 2021 10:31 AM

Any Details R221?

by Anonymousreply 226July 4, 2021 11:20 AM

This is one of my most favorite shows ever. The characters were so unique and well-acted. So many great actors. Dean Winters is not a 'great' actor, but he was really good in this because Ryan O'Reilly's character fit his skills and personality so well. J.K. Simmons created a truly unique characterization, and he's immensely talented (although I was disappointed in his SNL episode, he didn't come off as versatile).

by Anonymousreply 227July 4, 2021 1:26 PM

[quote]In the process of rewatching Oz now. My husband and I are hung up on the whole Cyril O'Riley "I was hit on the head and now I'm a little girl" thing. Does this happen? I don't think this happens.

That's the premise of the book/film/musical LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA. A young woman is kicked in the head by a pony and becomes childlike.

by Anonymousreply 228July 4, 2021 1:37 PM

Reading this thread reminds me of all the hot hot hot men of every race and age and type on this show! There is something for everyone. It is a fucking gay man's smorgasbord!

No show before or since compares in terms of male hotness, nudity and m2m sex acts! It was truly groundbreaking!

by Anonymousreply 229July 4, 2021 5:08 PM

[quote]Cannot recall a TV show that has ever ventured into the areas the show does. The effects of rape on men

I beg your pardon?

by Anonymousreply 230July 4, 2021 5:20 PM

I also loved OZ. Such a fantastic show.

The series was one of the first on DVD and I regret now not buying it. It was expensive though and the prices now are even higher.

I was happy that J.K. Simmons and Chris Meloni went on to big things, although Meloni was already doing Law & Order: SVU. I kept hoping Lee Tergesen would, too, but it hasn’t seemed to happen for him. He is working steadily though.

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by Anonymousreply 231July 4, 2021 6:58 PM

R230 Ha, you're right, but it was Boomer. And to clarify, I meant the season six collapse of Robson, the rape group, and the many men who talked about the effect of the rapes upon them. But you are right. Go Boomer.

by Anonymousreply 232July 4, 2021 7:08 PM

The dude in the wheelchair always annoyed me.

by Anonymousreply 233July 4, 2021 7:22 PM

Incidentally, around the same time (c. early 2000s) I remember there was a controversial episode of THE SHIELD in which one of the main cops was overtaken by some thugs and forced to suck their cocks.

by Anonymousreply 234July 4, 2021 7:55 PM

R231 (and all others with pics and clips) Thanks for posting. It was good seeing some of the old gang.

And special thanks to R22 for the AZNude of Evan, it led to dick clips of a lot of the cast!

by Anonymousreply 235July 4, 2021 8:40 PM

There is also an 80s made for tv movie dealing with this subject where a cop gets raped by some thugs R234.

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by Anonymousreply 236July 4, 2021 9:03 PM

He had a hot ass...

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by Anonymousreply 237October 11, 2021 12:50 AM

OZ is like the punishment of Law & Order and many many actors from L&O dropped by OZ to present dong, many many dongs!!!

by Anonymousreply 238October 11, 2021 1:02 AM

OZ was a fabulous show and was well before it's time. Several police and prison dramas tried to copy, but none have come close.

by Anonymousreply 239October 11, 2021 1:41 AM

Mary Alice died, who played Augustus Hills' Mom. She died in the Season 5 bus crash episode.

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by Anonymousreply 240August 2, 2022 12:46 AM

[quote] And wonderfully gay.

These characters weren't gay.

They may have performed homosexual acts; but that doesn't make them homosexual

by Anonymousreply 241August 2, 2022 12:52 AM

Fucking a man is kinda gay.

by Anonymousreply 242August 2, 2022 12:54 AM

Lance Reddick has died. He was a terrible cop, just the worst.

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by Anonymousreply 243March 17, 2023 7:07 PM

Clayton was so naughty.

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by Anonymousreply 244March 17, 2023 7:33 PM

I have the whole entire show on dvd but haven't watched it or a while. This thread, however, makes me want to watch it again!

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