HBO's "Oz"
I just picked up the complete series at Wal-Mart for $39, which I thought was a steal. It's running for $100+ on Amazon.
This has got to be one of HBO's peak shows. Fantastic writing, brilliant performances, infinitely relevant. And wonderfully gay.
Any fans?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 245 | March 17, 2023 7:57 PM
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It was good for a while, the writing got progressively dumber as it went on though.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | November 2, 2018 9:55 PM
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Still, R1, they did a fantastic job of sustaining the main storylines and the integrity of each character.
I loved it from start to finish. This will be my third rewatch.
I haven't seen it in 3-4 years.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | November 2, 2018 9:59 PM
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Also, the amount of beautiful ass on display is a bit overwhelming at times.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | November 2, 2018 10:01 PM
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R3, don’t forget the tinymeat.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | November 2, 2018 10:02 PM
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R4 I'll never underestimate a grower ;)
by Anonymous | reply 5 | November 2, 2018 10:04 PM
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So much nudity. I don't think there was a single inch of Chris Meloni we didn't see except maybe for his spleen.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 6 | November 2, 2018 10:11 PM
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Yeah "Oz" had more male nudity than any show that has been on American TV. Weird that it is old now, but no HBO show in the years since has been willing to match them.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | November 2, 2018 10:17 PM
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I love how they dealt with the love story. Heartbreaking.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | November 2, 2018 10:18 PM
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You can watch the entire series on Amazon Prime Video. There is no need to buy DVD's.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | November 2, 2018 10:20 PM
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Oh wow, OP, I remember paying 40 bucks a season when I bought it so long ago. And how weird, I just remembered that Tobias Beecher was in my dream last night! Seriously.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | November 2, 2018 10:20 PM
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R9 I do stream mostly everything, but like to own hard copies of my favorite films and shows. I've always wanted to buy this one.
R10 Yeah, pricing is definitely what took me so long to buy the series. When I saw it for so cheap, I had to snatch it up.
It's an extremely underrated and overlooked show, imo. It can be said to be hugely responsible for the shift in premium cable shows. The tone, the sex, the violence, the cinematic quality of it all - it's influenced everything from The Sopranos to American Horror Story.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | November 2, 2018 10:25 PM
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Agreed r11, and everything else is just "Oz" in a different time and place. "Deadwood" is old west "Oz", GOT is medieval "Oz" and none of them come close.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | November 2, 2018 10:29 PM
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R12 HBO should consider rebooting it.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | November 2, 2018 11:02 PM
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With all the gay sex going on in that show were there any actual gay actors in the cast?
by Anonymous | reply 14 | November 2, 2018 11:12 PM
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It was insanely unbelievable. In the last season, a character's non-inmate father, a respectable and wealthy member of his community, visited his inmate son in prison and was violently killed by the inmate's enemies when they (inplausibly) got him alone, and yet there were absolutely no consequences, no news story about the killing, nothing. In real life, such an event would be the top story of the national news for days and would have triggered an enormous inquiry into the prison's workings; not on OZ.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | November 2, 2018 11:18 PM
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Loved it. Would enjoy seeing if it stands the test of time.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | November 2, 2018 11:18 PM
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[quote] GOT is medieval "Oz"
Sorry.
George R. R. Martin started writing "A Game of Thrones" in 1991, and published that novel in 1996. The show's first season is incredibly faithful to the first book.
"Oz" the TV series premiered in 1997.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | November 2, 2018 11:21 PM
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Yeah, I think because it was the first attempt at "prestige" television people overlooked a lot r15. A lot of the writing was pretty silly, and if the same plots happened nowadays people would be bitching about it.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | November 2, 2018 11:21 PM
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Yes r15, it wasn't as true to life as "Westworld" or "GOT" but we know to suspend our disbelief when we watch fictional cable shows.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | November 2, 2018 11:23 PM
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Christopher Meloni is definition of sex in this.
God, how I dreamt of riding his cock for hours.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 20 | November 2, 2018 11:24 PM
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"Oz" was like a prison based "Twilight Zone". Sure, a lot of it is implausible, but nonetheless poignant and effective.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | November 2, 2018 11:27 PM
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$39! That's about 50 cents per dick shot!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 22 | November 2, 2018 11:30 PM
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R22 lol. It's totally worth it, too. I'm watching episode three now as I peruse DL and I keep forgetting about my phone and getting sucked into the show.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | November 2, 2018 11:33 PM
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Great show. I think Vern Schillinger was the be all, end all of scary. Such a wonderful cast.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | November 2, 2018 11:37 PM
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Rita Moreno was amazing in this, too.
I loved the grace and sense of spirituality she brought to the grit and brawn.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | November 2, 2018 11:40 PM
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They could never replace the actors on OZ in a reboot, I am remembering Wangler, who I thought was so hot, on "The Wire" and a bunch of other people from "The Wire". Shit even Dana Reeve was on it as the governor's assistant or something? Kathryn Erbe, Edie Falco, etc. I think it was supposed to be some kind of launching point for the guy who played Miguel as he was always touted as the star, later he did a show called "Black Irish" or something and it tanked. Oh and Luiz Guzman was great on it, and Dean Winters! That show is great, OP, I envy you. I watched a bunch of it a few years back. Oh and Vern Schillinger, funny that he and Ryan O' Reilly now both are insurance spokespeople.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | November 2, 2018 11:40 PM
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R22 Damn. That's a hot cock.
This show is EVERYTHING.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | November 2, 2018 11:45 PM
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Fucking loved it, worst storyline was the aging drug to speed up your incarceration.
Best was all the rest, Gods I LOVE this show
by Anonymous | reply 29 | November 2, 2018 11:47 PM
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Oz reminds me of DL a bit, lol.
A bunch of horny, lovable ruthless cunts.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | November 2, 2018 11:48 PM
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I remember when Adebisi injected the old Italian gangster with an Aids needle and the guy then went to live in PC or the Aids ward and I think finally stopped hating gays. Also, the Luis Guzman plot where he was fucking ruthlessly coming after Miguel and shamed him into blinding the Latino guard for being a traitor. That was fucking good writing! The whole prisoner's dilemma there about not wanting to appear to be sympathetic to "the man" and how he was going to lose his high status in the Latino gang if he continued to let Luis fuck with him.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | November 2, 2018 11:52 PM
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R27 I'm sure a lot if not most of the principles would be willing to come back if it was well written.
I also think it would enjoy a big welcome back.
They could tackle so much with it. It would be insanely relevant.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | November 2, 2018 11:53 PM
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But did they have hearts of gold, r31?
by Anonymous | reply 33 | November 2, 2018 11:53 PM
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R33 I wanted them all to fuck me so they had much more than just hearts of gold.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | November 2, 2018 11:55 PM
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I loved it when it was on, until the last season. I don't even remember it, but I do remember hating it.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | November 2, 2018 11:56 PM
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R32 Most were dead by the end, the final bus trip out shows how few, jesus that last season was a bloodbath of regulars
by Anonymous | reply 36 | November 2, 2018 11:57 PM
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R36 What am I thinking, you're right.
They could find clever ways, though (different characters, flashbacks, etc.).
The last season was insane but it was epic and operatic and I loved that the show went out that way.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | November 3, 2018 12:01 AM
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[quote]I'm sure a lot if not most of the principles
PrinciPALS, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | November 3, 2018 12:05 AM
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R38 You are why I love DL, lol. :-*
by Anonymous | reply 39 | November 3, 2018 12:07 AM
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[quote] Yes [R15], it wasn't as true to life as "Westworld" or "GOT" but we know to suspend our disbelief when we watch fictional cable shows.
"Westworld"and "Game of Thrones" are sci-fi/fantasy shows.
"Oz" was supposed to be gritty realism.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 3, 2018 12:21 AM
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With moments of surrealism, which were expertly set up, R42.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | November 3, 2018 12:22 AM
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Tremendous show, I loved it. And apropos of nothing the nude tattoed guy with his dick hanging out in the photo above is also a hard rock star, and was married to the porn star Tera Patrick. Think his name was Evan Seinfield?
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 3, 2018 12:40 AM
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r44 Yes, he was the lead singer for Bio-Hazard, a shitty metal band.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 3, 2018 12:43 AM
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R17 I think he was referring to all the gratuitous sex/nudity.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 3, 2018 1:02 AM
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I never thought that OZ was supposed to be gritty realism. So many unrealistic things happened on that show. It definitely was surreal, as R43 noted.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 3, 2018 1:03 AM
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That is how I read it r46. The adult themes, violence, sex/nudity. Oz was the pioneer in terms of changing what you could do with television.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | November 3, 2018 1:04 AM
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The "Oz" parody they did when Jerry Seinfeld hosted SNL was a classic.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 49 | November 3, 2018 2:06 AM
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I watched it so see what the fuss was about. The gratuitous violence got tiresome very quickly. It seemed like every episode had someone being raped, tortured, maimed or killed. Didn't the final episode kill off most of the characters? I couldn't stand all that gross weekly violence. It got cartoonish and implausible. Violence for violence's sake.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | November 3, 2018 2:10 AM
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I always think of when George Michael watched "Oz" as a child on "Arrested Development."
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 51 | November 3, 2018 2:14 AM
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Halfway through season 1 and I'm hooked again.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | November 3, 2018 2:57 AM
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Betty Lynn makes an appearance
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 54 | November 3, 2018 3:28 AM
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Big deal! I was a love interest of 2 of the main characters r54!
by Anonymous | reply 55 | November 3, 2018 3:30 AM
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For some reason Wolfgang Cutler sadistically using Robson as a fucktoy was always the stand out moment. That and Brian Bloom's character. I was 16 when Oz premiered so this was adolsecent gay porn for me as my dial up connection took forever to download a 20 second clip from the internet.
Yes, I remember why Cutler was in prison... I try not to think about it.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | November 3, 2018 3:32 AM
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Loved this show for how truly unpredictable it could be but hated every frame of Patti Lupone and the way she pronounced breast cancer.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | November 3, 2018 3:41 AM
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Tobias Peaches singing in episode 6 still breaks me in two!
by Anonymous | reply 58 | November 3, 2018 3:47 AM
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*Tobias Beecher
And this is the singing scene.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 59 | November 3, 2018 3:52 AM
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R50 jacked off to every single episode, but really "hated all the violence". You can't make this shit up.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | November 3, 2018 4:48 AM
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I thought the love affair between Tobias Beecher and Chris Keller was the heart and soul of the series. I've never been to prison, but I've spent time in jail, and I could identify with a lot of it. I eventually had to stop watching, because I just got too fatigued with the violence. Anyway, their love story is about two otherwise straight men, who fall in love. I know DL thinks we just fetishize straight guys. I don't. But somehow, the context of their affair lends it a poignancy it otherwise wouldn't have had.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 61 | November 3, 2018 6:05 AM
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I thought Keller was gay? But yeah, that absolutely was the heart of the show. And Miguel and his demons.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | November 3, 2018 6:06 AM
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R62, From watching the series, I was always left with the impression that both men lived straight lives outside of prison. That they only discovered that their needs coincided when they were 'inside'. I mean, I was only in jail a month, and I saw that happen. A couple of my cellmates HAD been in prison, and I heard stories of their love affairs with other men. We always have stories about gay porn stars on DL that get caught up in the Gay 4 Pay debate, which I think is pretty ridiculous. Men who want sex will have sex with other men, regardless of their orientation. I mean, c'mon! Why wouldn't a man want to fuck a sexy man?
by Anonymous | reply 63 | November 3, 2018 6:27 AM
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Whatever happened to Tom Fontana who created the show and supervised it closely, no matter who the named show runner was? I remember that he and Dick Wolf, who created all the Law & Orders, were close friends and regularly shared ideas and actors, which is why people like Meloni and Dean Winters kept popping up in both all their shows. Dennis Farina's character on the original L&O was "Lt. Fontana" and rumored to be Wolf's tribute to Tom.
Fontana also produced a number of other hit shows like St. Elsewhere and Homicide: Life on the Street.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | November 3, 2018 6:34 AM
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Recently bought the DVD set on eBay myself.
Sadly not enjoying as much now but, in its day, it was fab-u-loud.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | November 3, 2018 6:35 AM
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Meloni and Dean Winters appeared in both SVU and Oz at the same time only because Fontana and Wolf carefully coordinated their shooting schedules together. Winters couldn't take it and left SVU after its first season; Meloni shot both shows at the same time for two or three years. (Winters came back to SVU years later as the same character after Meloni had left as a sometimes recurring character.)
by Anonymous | reply 66 | November 3, 2018 6:48 AM
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What happened to Meloni after the show? What has he been up to?
by Anonymous | reply 67 | November 3, 2018 6:50 AM
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R63 Love affairs as in “protecting their asses from being gang raped by others” or something else?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | November 3, 2018 7:07 AM
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Keller wasnt straight man, he was at least bisexual, most likely gay in denial. He was raping and killing gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | November 3, 2018 7:17 AM
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[quote] I mean, c'mon! Why wouldn't a man want to fuck a sexy man?
For the same reason why a man wouldn't want to fuck a sexy woman.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | November 3, 2018 7:22 AM
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[quote]The Wire is better.
Two rather different shows. Not a contest. Watch both.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | November 3, 2018 7:28 AM
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As far as gay cast members, off the top of my head there was BD Wong (Father Ray), as well as Steven Wishnoff (Masters) and James Palacios (Miss Fiona) from the gay gang.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | November 3, 2018 7:34 AM
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Nothing says "wonderfully gay" quite like being forced against your will to be a murderous Nazi's prison bitch!
by Anonymous | reply 74 | November 3, 2018 7:36 AM
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Over the years, I've known men who would have paid for that, r74.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | November 3, 2018 7:39 AM
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You seem to have a very, very, very different definition of "wonderful" than my own.
There are men who would also pay to have other men shit on their faces like Beecher does to Schillinger; but that scene doesn't make the show "wonderfully gay" to me either.
But perhaps it does to you.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | November 3, 2018 7:44 AM
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R61 Chris played this character very well. He was dangerous murderer yet able to care and love, sometimes. How many here would have loved to share their time with this manipulative character, who couldn’t be truster at all?
by Anonymous | reply 77 | November 3, 2018 9:28 AM
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[quote]R63 I mean, c'mon! Why wouldn't a man want to fuck a sexy man?
That is like saying, “Why wouldn’t a gay man want to fuck a sexy woman?”
by Anonymous | reply 78 | November 3, 2018 10:55 AM
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Hottest sex scene was R.E. Rodgers and his cell mate during the final season.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 79 | November 3, 2018 11:11 AM
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R64 a few years ago, Fontana remarried his ex-wife, and then she died.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | November 3, 2018 1:43 PM
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It was basically Prisoner Cell Block H with cock
by Anonymous | reply 81 | November 3, 2018 1:57 PM
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R64 St. Elsewhere is another underrated show.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | November 3, 2018 2:19 PM
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When I wrote"wonderfully gay", I meant "refreshingly and unabashedly gay" and I stan by that.
One thing I love most about this show is the dignity with which the gay characters were treated. They weren't condescended to or oversimplified.
I also love that they didn't shy away from the sex, which could range from violent to romantic.
I stopped watching 7 episodes in last night and was struck by how well it's held up and gripping it all still is.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | November 3, 2018 2:32 PM
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What it needed to make it "refreshingly and unabashedly gay" was a Hope Emerson character.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 85 | November 3, 2018 2:38 PM
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R61/R63 That love affair was everything. The writers did a fantastic job of exploring almost every angle of it, too.
It never felt inauthentic.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | November 3, 2018 2:39 PM
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I think we saw every main character's dick on the show - except for the guy I thought was the sexiest (Ryan O'Reily)
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 87 | November 3, 2018 2:42 PM
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R87 We actually get a great shot of his cock in episode 5 or 6. Just saw it last night. It's after he's put in isolation after ratting on himself regarding a drug deal.
The scene is of him going crazy in the cell. They show his cock a few times.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | November 3, 2018 2:50 PM
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Yeah Dean Winters definitely got naked.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 89 | November 3, 2018 2:53 PM
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There was hardly any consequence to many of the killings. Like Brian Bloom being murdered with Keller's jizz smeared all over his face.They wouldn't have done a DNA test? Some prisoner also got shut up behind a new brick wall. No one was going to notice? I remember some guard being killed and nothing more ever being said about it. It was just kind of ridiculous in an otherwise interesting show.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | November 3, 2018 3:33 PM
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R92 'Some Prisoner' - was Luke Perry, who also showed his cock
by Anonymous | reply 93 | November 3, 2018 8:45 PM
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Thank you, R89. I don't know why I didn't remember that.
[quote]Luke Perry, who also showed his cock
Speaking of which . . .
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 94 | November 3, 2018 9:05 PM
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I'm finishing season 1 tonight. These are my girls.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | November 3, 2018 10:49 PM
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Once again, OZ was not supposed to be realistic portrayal of prison life. It was a soap opera.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | November 3, 2018 10:52 PM
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I liked Scott Winters, who played O'Reily's retarded brother and is Dean Winters's real-life brother.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 97 | November 3, 2018 10:54 PM
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I heard from a friend that Westworld is total shit now, all "men are evil" storylines. I remember Thandie Newton complained about all her nudity on WW and how degrading it was or something and to that I say, "hunty, watch OZ, you got off lightly!" I appreciate the gore and un-pc'ness of OZ.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | November 3, 2018 10:55 PM
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Kathryn Erbe was so evil as Shirley Bellinger that I rejoiced when she started playing a good guy on L&O: Criminal Intent.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | November 3, 2018 10:58 PM
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r99 "But...you're a nigger!"
by Anonymous | reply 100 | November 3, 2018 11:04 PM
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really, that is a good deal I need to go by Walmart.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | November 3, 2018 11:35 PM
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I was surprised to learn that Kathryn Erbe was married to Terry Kinney (McManus). Out of all the characters who you would think one would hate for their crimes, the character I hated most was McManus. He was so sanctimonious.
[quote]As far as gay cast members, off the top of my head there was BD Wong (Father Ray), as well as Steven Wishnoff (Masters) and James Palacios (Miss Fiona) from the gay gang.
There was also Mike Doyle. It was the first thing I had ever seen him in and I hated him so much as Adam Guenzel that it was only until recently I could see him in another show or film without wanting to punch him in the face. Charles Busch also had a recurring role.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | November 4, 2018 12:04 AM
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I'm on the last episode of season 1.
omg omg omg.
I wish this show was new again. It's too fucking good.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | November 4, 2018 5:13 AM
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I can't ever find anything good at Walmart.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | November 4, 2018 5:18 AM
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I lusted for Granville Adams as Zahir Arif.
Honorable mentions: Kirk Acevedo, R. E. Rodgers, J. K. Simmons, and Eamonn Walker.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 105 | November 4, 2018 5:34 AM
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The Beecher/Keller love affair felt authentic because they were fucking in real life.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | November 4, 2018 5:40 AM
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[quote] What it needed to make it "refreshingly and unabashedly gay" was a Hope Emerson character.
Or a Franklin Pangborn one.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 107 | November 4, 2018 5:46 AM
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I loved when they walled up Luke Perry's preacher! JK Simmons (Schillinger) has an Oscar. Supporting, but still. Just like Sr. Pete.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | November 4, 2018 5:48 AM
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Luke Perry was really good in his guest spot.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | November 4, 2018 5:50 AM
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Cyril walking to his death- makes me weep.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 110 | November 4, 2018 5:51 AM
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R103 the other day I was just discussing with my hairdresser that they should make a pill that will make you forget movies/TV shows you've already watched so that you can experience watching them anew.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | November 4, 2018 2:43 PM
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R112 This show is so good, it feels like your experiencing it anew each time you rewatch it.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | November 4, 2018 3:23 PM
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r112 Wait until you get older. You won't need a pill for that. (But you probably will for other things.)
by Anonymous | reply 114 | November 4, 2018 3:52 PM
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It has the same effect on me The Twilight Zone and Star Trek have. Something about the monotone setting and the talkiness of it all, which is very soothing and relaxing and, due to the topic matter, at times even a bit contemplative.
A poignant classic.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | November 4, 2018 4:11 PM
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[quote]Kathryn Erbe was so evil as Shirley Bellinger that I rejoiced when she started playing a good guy on L&O: Criminal Intent.
And I rejoiced when JK Simmons played the kindly dad in Juno.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | November 4, 2018 5:10 PM
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I met a guy whose introduction to JK was Juno so he was shocked how good he was at playing a hardass in Whiplash. I told him to look up his scenes in Oz if he really wanted to be shocked.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | November 4, 2018 5:22 PM
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Believe it or not, the only thing I really remember about Bellinger was when she was bring dragged to the gallows and then started screaming for God to forgive her. I thought the character was just ridiculous and the situation of her being the only female inmate in Oz being absurd.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | November 4, 2018 5:38 PM
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OT: Kathryn Erbe was set to replace S. Epatha Merkerson on the original Law & Order playing her Criminal Intent character. (Merkerson was leaving voluntarily, which was why she got that nice little story arc the final season.) And then the show was unexpectedly canceled at the last minute
by Anonymous | reply 120 | November 4, 2018 5:50 PM
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To enter Oz you must be willing to relinquish your ego and to set aside petty desires, needs and wounds. It is a tour de force of surrealism and gritty reality juxtaposed to make the exploration of the infinite and inevitable relatable and palpable, which it does with total abandon.
It is also one of the very best "gay shows" ever because it wasn't trying to be that but totally was that and so much more.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | November 4, 2018 5:55 PM
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Howard Stern aptly noted that the reason it was a hit was because there was so much cock shown and it had a huge gay following.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | November 4, 2018 6:02 PM
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OZ and QUEER AS FOLK were on around the same time. Which was more popular with gays?
by Anonymous | reply 123 | November 4, 2018 6:02 PM
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R110 I keened when they finally, FINALLY killed Cyril, it had been building for many seasons, ( and we all know how OZ raced thru storylines), and when it finally happened I was devastated. Great acting and writing all round
by Anonymous | reply 124 | November 4, 2018 6:07 PM
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Not to mention her sparkling turn as Patsy Nixon, r99!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 125 | November 4, 2018 6:14 PM
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Pat or Patricia, never Patsy.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | November 4, 2018 6:17 PM
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R126 wasn't her full name Thelma Catherine Nixon (née Ryan;)? Where the hell did "Pat" come from?
by Anonymous | reply 127 | November 4, 2018 6:25 PM
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It wasnt popular, really. Ratings were bad, as i remember.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | November 4, 2018 6:28 PM
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"All hope abandon ye who enter here" is from Dante's 'Divine Comedy', all the way back from the 1300s. 'Oz' is almost like a tour of purgatory, or even hell. Every time I watched Beecher and Keller kissing, I had a lurking terror that Keller was going to turn around and snap Beecher's neck. The fear never dissipates, the tension never evaporates. I liked watching a show that depicted some intimacy between men, but it also showed some tremendous brutality, which is why I couldn't watch after a few seasons.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | November 4, 2018 6:44 PM
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R128 Yeah, rating were so bad it ran for six seasons.....
by Anonymous | reply 130 | November 4, 2018 6:49 PM
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"Oz" bears no resemblance to reality. Even the worst American prisons were never like THAT.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | November 4, 2018 6:59 PM
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[quote]"Oz" bears no resemblance to reality.
You don't say? It was a prime time soap, not a docudrama.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | November 4, 2018 7:02 PM
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R131 Oh My God, do you mean it was a TV show?
by Anonymous | reply 133 | November 4, 2018 7:02 PM
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R133 I have noticed that the younger generation expects realism in everything, including cartoons. I was watching a FAMILY GUY clip where Lois asks Peter what happened to his wallet, and he said "I must've left it with my other family." Then there's a cutaway of Peter bidding adieu to Lois et al., getting on a plane, arriving in Chicago, changing into women's clothing in the taxi, and arriving at his other home all made up where his husband and three children await him. Funny, right? But the young'uns in the comments section are all like "How is that possible?" "Did they adopt?" "Is Peter gay?" They can't just take a joke at face value.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | November 4, 2018 7:11 PM
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R130
It were different back then. I think Oz was first HBO drama, before Soprano, before The Wire. It made the way but it never was as succesful with viewers and critics and awards as those other iconic HBO shows. I love this show to death. So many terrific moments.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | November 4, 2018 7:16 PM
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"Oh My God, do you mean it was a TV show?"
I'm sure a lot of the fans of this show thought it was an accurate depiction of a tough prison. TV audiences are not known for any substantial intelligence, and you, most certainly, are proof of that.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | November 4, 2018 7:17 PM
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R136 'You are sure...', oh then it MUST be real cause you are sure. So sure.....
by Anonymous | reply 137 | November 4, 2018 7:21 PM
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R137 must be truly ignorant if he thinks tv audiences don't believe in the "reality" of what they see on their tv screens, even if the show is fictional. Very ignorant indeed.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | November 4, 2018 7:25 PM
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SISTER PETE...shouted a la Austin Pendelton after decades in solitary.....
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 139 | November 4, 2018 7:25 PM
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R138
Nobody believed in reality of Oz. They had aging pills, for God sake.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | November 4, 2018 7:27 PM
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"Nobody believed in reality of Oz."
Oh, come on. TV audiences aren't that bright. A lot of them believe in what they see on these shows, no matter how outlandish is it. There are some people who believe that "Grey's Anatomy" is an accurate depiction of a hospital and its staff. And THAT show is just as implausible as "Oz."
by Anonymous | reply 141 | November 4, 2018 7:32 PM
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[quote] Nobody believed in reality of Oz. They had aging pills, for God sake
Ryan O'Reilly, the biggest puller of ploys and all around snake not being killed was the biggest implausible aspect of that show.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | November 4, 2018 7:34 PM
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R141, my friend worked as a telephone operator in Washington during the '70s. She would routinely get calls from people who wanted to know the phone numbers of people on Soap Operas so they could warn them of what was happening in Pine Valley, Genoa City, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | November 4, 2018 7:37 PM
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R142 Balls, Ryan played the game the best, and he lost everything except his life, because of his machinations.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | November 4, 2018 7:44 PM
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R141
Well, some members of tv audience are dumb. But i doubt OZ attracted same audience as Grey' Anathomy. It was particular type of show. Cant imagine dumb person liking it.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | November 4, 2018 7:45 PM
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That was a reference to this Fannie Flagg album which, apparently, I was the only person to own, r126.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 146 | November 4, 2018 7:49 PM
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R145 I really doubt watchers of 'Young and the Restless' watched OZ, judging by the retarded threads on Y and R here
by Anonymous | reply 147 | November 4, 2018 7:49 PM
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r144 Exactly, Ryan was the smartest man in OZ and had protection from people who needed him for his scamming abilities, he had his fingers in all the pies.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | November 4, 2018 7:50 PM
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I hate that storyline of Ryan pining over that stupid doctor played by the awful Lauren Velez.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | November 4, 2018 7:56 PM
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It also was the start for Edie Falco on HBO which, I'm sure, lead to her being cast as Carmella Soprano.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | November 4, 2018 7:56 PM
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R150 Sure was, she moved to England to fuck a British bobbie in the show, via a letter to McManus, God who would fuck McManus, that moron
by Anonymous | reply 151 | November 4, 2018 7:59 PM
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This thread is making me horny as fuck!
Especially the Meloni hole presentation!
by Anonymous | reply 152 | November 4, 2018 8:03 PM
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Richard Speck grew some nice titties for all the BBC in jail.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | November 4, 2018 10:32 PM
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A former white supremist gang member speaks to Louis about his relationship with a Jewish male prisoner
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 156 | November 4, 2018 10:42 PM
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Starting season 2 tonight.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | November 5, 2018 12:23 AM
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Keller has finally arrived. I'm midway through season 2.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | November 6, 2018 4:32 PM
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Almost done with season 2.
So good.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | November 11, 2018 10:24 AM
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Was the actual gay actor on the show the one that played the gay inmate that gets his throat slit with a razor blade in the shower by a guy that pretends to come onto him to get him alone?
by Anonymous | reply 161 | November 11, 2018 12:20 PM
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fuck. the gay guy on death row is painfully beautiful. Season 3.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | November 11, 2018 8:55 PM
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R164 Too lazy to look it up, but he's in ep 1 of season
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 165 | November 11, 2018 9:11 PM
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I liked him too. I think he shows his dick to Shirley Bellinger.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | November 11, 2018 9:25 PM
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R166 Richie was a darling, great death, great bod. God I love this show.
I love that Russian who turns up after the big buildup in season one, he has one scene and is then killed and left hanging upside down in the rec area, so fucking funny
by Anonymous | reply 168 | November 12, 2018 3:53 AM
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Bump, cuz I just got sucked into streaming this show out of nowhere. It was originally on when I was way too young to watch it (like, kindergarten age), and while I've heard it whispered about ever since I've never really bothered to check it out because it didn't seem my cup of tea (and I was a BAD GIRLS fan, so I don't know why I maintained that). Now I'm eating my hat.
My favourite character so far is Jason Cramer, the gay boxer. His character was a refreshing example of a totally masculine and completely gay prisoner, and his arc is the only uplifting 'happy ending' story in the whole show' I love how he just walks away free with a triumphant smile, a swish, and a middle finger at the end. Don't ask me why I get this impression, but the way the actor plays the character reminds me a little of Corey Haim (RIP).
I'm also with a lot of the above posters with stanning Ryan O'Reilly and his wicked schemes, and wishing he had been in the show way more. I find Sister Pete enthralling, and I also like her assistant colleague the nelly Asian priest (don't come for me, but I keep forgetting his damn name) who is very adorable and sweet in an understated way and in marked contrast to his surroundings. Keller fucking terrifies me, and that along with the soapy swerves in his s/l puts me off the epic Beecheller romance, though I get that is part of the charm for others. I always look forward to Augustus Hill's monologues, too - why isn't Harold Perrineau getting big roles, now? (last thing I saw him in was LOST).
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 169 | November 20, 2020 10:19 PM
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Actress Kristin Rohde who played the nasty corrections officer Claire Howell to great effect died of cancer in 2016 at age 52.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 170 | November 20, 2020 10:30 PM
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R170 so young. She was a fine actress. What sort of cancer got her? I can’t find info online.
Never forget Claire fucked Ryan & Chris, electrocuted Stanislofsky, and cut Morales tendons. Bitch was fearless.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | November 21, 2020 11:48 AM
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Meloni had more chemistry with Winters than with Tergesen.
Like at the end of this episode, when Keller warns O'Reilly not to hurt Beecher, and Ryan retorts "don't make any threats, K-Boy. Might put me in a bad fucking mood." all up in Chris's face.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 172 | November 21, 2020 3:29 PM
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The lineup of guest stars from Broadway is remarkable. Not just betty Lynn and Patti, but Elaine, Uta Hagen, John McMartin, Dana Ivey, Joel Gray, Natascia Diaz, Charles Busch, Austin Pendelton, Rita Moreno, B.D Wong....it really was incredible.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | March 24, 2021 9:38 PM
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[quote]Never forget Claire fucked Ryan & Chris, electrocuted Stanislofsky, and cut Morales tendons. Bitch was fearless
And showed off her A cup tits. FEARLESS. RIP to a real one.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | March 24, 2021 9:54 PM
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Kirk Acevedo was so fucking hot. Hot Latino. Wow. Sex on legs. I still want him.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | March 24, 2021 10:04 PM
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I love Oz when I’m done rewatching P Valley I’m going to watch it again.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | March 24, 2021 10:07 PM
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I cried like a bitch at the Beecher and Chris meloni romance
by Anonymous | reply 177 | March 24, 2021 10:08 PM
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[quote] You can watch the entire series on Amazon Prime Video. There is no need to buy DVD's.
You can also check out books from the library. That doesn't mean I don't want to own many of them.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | March 24, 2021 10:09 PM
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Chris Meloni was the hottest actor on TV, then and now.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | March 24, 2021 10:13 PM
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Here is a Beecher and Keller fanfiction written by a gay man and not a woman which is rare.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 180 | March 24, 2021 10:18 PM
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Is this on streaming anywhere?
by Anonymous | reply 181 | March 24, 2021 10:25 PM
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R131, As someone who may or may have not worked in correctional facilities in an earlier life, it did strike a chord for me in certain respects.
I loved ALL the male peen action. Only show I can remember being so male nudity friendly.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | March 24, 2021 10:34 PM
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Brian Bloom was so hot in the show.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 183 | March 24, 2021 10:36 PM
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I love when Luke Perry was on as a preacher
by Anonymous | reply 184 | March 25, 2021 4:11 AM
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R183 He sure was. I still love watching his nudes scene in the shower with Chris Meloni.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | March 25, 2021 4:21 PM
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And, Shit, Granville Adams is ill as fuck. At least he got off the murder charge. That was some totally OZ shit.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 187 | March 26, 2021 1:25 AM
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My favourite was always Ryan. It’s so sad hot af Dino Ortelani didn’t make it past episode one
by Anonymous | reply 188 | March 27, 2021 7:34 PM
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Did bd Wong go full-frontal?
by Anonymous | reply 189 | March 28, 2021 7:24 PM
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^ No. But everyone else did.
We must thank the advisor who told Ryan O'Reilly that men were thrown into the hole naked. He demanded this happen to him so for the rest of the show, when everyone was thrown in the hole they were naked. And then....at the final cast party he admitted he had lied, as a joke, but Ryan had believed him, and the rest is TV cock history.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | March 28, 2021 7:27 PM
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Thank goodness he didn't say they were thrown into the hole in a peignoir and marabou mules!
by Anonymous | reply 191 | March 28, 2021 7:34 PM
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BD Wong was so hot. I loved father Mukada as a character.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | March 29, 2021 12:54 AM
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[quote]But everyone else did.
I beg your pardon!
by Anonymous | reply 193 | March 29, 2021 1:20 AM
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^ Ha, indeed. I don't think JK got his cock out either. Forgot Sayid did a fucking beautiful long cock shot when he was getting out of the hole.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | March 29, 2021 1:22 AM
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Meloni's cock and ass belong in the Smithsonian.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | March 29, 2021 1:54 AM
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I tried watching some episodes of this series to see what the fuss was about. But I couldn't stomach the endless gratuitous violence. And the writing really wasn't all that. It was the same thing. over and over. On every episode somebody got raped, maimed or killed. Same old same old. Seeing naked cocks and asses didn't make up for that.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | March 29, 2021 1:58 AM
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R196 Cannot recall a TV show that has ever ventured into the areas the show does. The effects of rape on men, where does violence come from, how men who fuck other men but see themselves as 'straight' make that distinction, the effects of religion. BUT, I have had many friends who cannot get over the violence of the show, so you are not alone.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | March 29, 2021 2:05 AM
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I can't decide which Winters brother is the hottest. I'll take both!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 198 | March 29, 2021 2:09 AM
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What I loved about OZ and still love about it now was that it was a show where the majority of the protagonists were the worst of the worst, yet the show still made you want to care about them and root for them. This was way before the anti-hero era of HBO like THE SOPRANOS and DEADWOOD.
To have a show where these people do the most heinous things to each other and others and you are still invested to them is a testament to the writers and the casting agent who assembled that cast. It showed the darkness in people that no one really wants to explore.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | March 29, 2021 2:28 AM
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I’m rewatching Oz now and I must have softened because seeing poor Cyril being tormented by the mean inmates almost makes me cry. Poor Cyril 😔
by Anonymous | reply 202 | March 31, 2021 2:13 AM
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SPOILER. Wasn't almost the entire cast killed off in the final episode? I thought that was excessive. But then everything on this show was excessive.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | March 31, 2021 11:09 PM
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No Keller sent anthrax post death and the show ends with Oswald being evacuated. Season four finished with Emerald City blowing up but few died.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | March 31, 2021 11:12 PM
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This show is excellent. Top 5 television dramas of all time.
It’s almost too real. The kind of thing that will stay with you for 20 years.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | March 31, 2021 11:32 PM
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Sorry, thought this was ‘the Wire’ thread.
I never could get into OZ. Too stark and dreary.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | March 31, 2021 11:33 PM
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Soap opera for homoerotically-inclined straight dudes.
For being such a man-centric show, it had some great and memorable female characters -- Officer Claire, Shirley Bellinger, Sister Peter Marie.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | March 31, 2021 11:37 PM
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"Keller sent anthrax post death and the show ends with Oswald being evacuated."
The final episode "Exeunt Omnes" did feature a lot of deaths. They were:
Jeremiah Cloutier - buried behind a wall.
Jaz Hoyt - stabbed to death
Cyril O'Reily - executed by electric chair
Vernon Shillinger - stabbed in the heart
Chris Keller - committed suicide
Aryan Brotherhood- died after exposure to some unknown substance while sorting mail
Two named COs: died after exposure to unknown substance.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | March 31, 2021 11:46 PM
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^ And yet, still. Not the entire cast. And Clothier had been dead for a season and a half.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | April 1, 2021 12:53 AM
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[quote]Jeremiah Cloutier - buried behind a wall.
Of all the vicious deaths on OZ, Cloutier was one that got to me the most. He was set afire, if I remember correctly, then the Aryans put him behind the wall. Just imagining dying that way is too much for me.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | April 2, 2021 12:37 AM
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I’m now on season 2 I’d forgotten how soapy it got. It’s still good though I love when Luke Perry is astral projecting and terrorizing Jaz Hoyt
by Anonymous | reply 211 | April 11, 2021 2:59 AM
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In the process of rewatching Oz now. My husband and I are hung up on the whole Cyril O'Riley "I was hit on the head and now I'm a little girl" thing. Does this happen? I don't think this happens.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | April 11, 2021 3:16 AM
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Lol neither 213 I love Cyril though. I forgot about the hot Asian inmates we see in season 5.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | April 11, 2021 3:26 AM
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My favorite character was the Warden. He always seemed fair and sensible.
One time, Rita Moreno (Sister Pete?) had a disagreement with him and he had to fire her. It was really because she had been in Gantry, and later, when she asked for her job back, he just said, "Okay."
She was stunned. "You mean I don't have to beg for it?" she asked.
I felt sorry for the young guy whose shoes kept being stolen. But then why did he deface that statue (painting?). He had a major role in that one episode, yet I don't think we ever heard him speak.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | April 11, 2021 4:26 AM
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I love when the two rapists douche bros came to prison and the aryans made one of them a prag. And then we got this amazing scene.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 217 | April 11, 2021 4:31 AM
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R215 Leo was an asshole. Worst Warden ever. For the whole show she was a cunt to prisoners he hated. Mainly directed at Peter Schibetta and Alveraz. But others as well.
Robson was my favourite prisoner. From Nazi fuck to destroyed rape victim. Good writing.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 218 | April 12, 2021 1:51 PM
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The Robson "spooning" scene is epic, particularly because of R.E. Rodgers phat ass...
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 219 | April 12, 2021 5:41 PM
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It’s hard to pick a favourite because there’s such great characters on this show but I’d have to pick Ryan O’Reilly
by Anonymous | reply 220 | April 13, 2021 2:09 AM
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R219 Robson seems to be fucking trannys in real life now. What a waste.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | July 4, 2021 2:27 AM
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Watching Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and JK Simmons rape the stuck up fresh meat is alone worth the purchase price!
by Anonymous | reply 222 | July 4, 2021 2:39 AM
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Nice that Rita Moreno got a revival. And then got cancelled.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 224 | July 4, 2021 4:33 AM
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Yes R32 and R36 it would (unfortunately) be hard to do a reboot with a lot of the favorite characters now deceased.
You're lucky OP. Things go in and out of streaming to make way for other shows, but a box set lasts forever!
by Anonymous | reply 225 | July 4, 2021 10:31 AM
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This is one of my most favorite shows ever. The characters were so unique and well-acted. So many great actors. Dean Winters is not a 'great' actor, but he was really good in this because Ryan O'Reilly's character fit his skills and personality so well. J.K. Simmons created a truly unique characterization, and he's immensely talented (although I was disappointed in his SNL episode, he didn't come off as versatile).
by Anonymous | reply 227 | July 4, 2021 1:26 PM
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[quote]In the process of rewatching Oz now. My husband and I are hung up on the whole Cyril O'Riley "I was hit on the head and now I'm a little girl" thing. Does this happen? I don't think this happens.
That's the premise of the book/film/musical LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA. A young woman is kicked in the head by a pony and becomes childlike.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | July 4, 2021 1:37 PM
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Reading this thread reminds me of all the hot hot hot men of every race and age and type on this show! There is something for everyone. It is a fucking gay man's smorgasbord!
No show before or since compares in terms of male hotness, nudity and m2m sex acts! It was truly groundbreaking!
by Anonymous | reply 229 | July 4, 2021 5:08 PM
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[quote]Cannot recall a TV show that has ever ventured into the areas the show does. The effects of rape on men
I beg your pardon?
by Anonymous | reply 230 | July 4, 2021 5:20 PM
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I also loved OZ. Such a fantastic show.
The series was one of the first on DVD and I regret now not buying it. It was expensive though and the prices now are even higher.
I was happy that J.K. Simmons and Chris Meloni went on to big things, although Meloni was already doing Law & Order: SVU. I kept hoping Lee Tergesen would, too, but it hasn’t seemed to happen for him. He is working steadily though.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 231 | July 4, 2021 6:58 PM
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R230 Ha, you're right, but it was Boomer. And to clarify, I meant the season six collapse of Robson, the rape group, and the many men who talked about the effect of the rapes upon them. But you are right. Go Boomer.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | July 4, 2021 7:08 PM
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The dude in the wheelchair always annoyed me.
by Anonymous | reply 233 | July 4, 2021 7:22 PM
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Incidentally, around the same time (c. early 2000s) I remember there was a controversial episode of THE SHIELD in which one of the main cops was overtaken by some thugs and forced to suck their cocks.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | July 4, 2021 7:55 PM
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R231 (and all others with pics and clips) Thanks for posting. It was good seeing some of the old gang.
And special thanks to R22 for the AZNude of Evan, it led to dick clips of a lot of the cast!
by Anonymous | reply 235 | July 4, 2021 8:40 PM
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There is also an 80s made for tv movie dealing with this subject where a cop gets raped by some thugs R234.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 236 | July 4, 2021 9:03 PM
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OZ is like the punishment of Law & Order and many many actors from L&O dropped by OZ to present dong, many many dongs!!!
by Anonymous | reply 238 | October 11, 2021 1:02 AM
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OZ was a fabulous show and was well before it's time. Several police and prison dramas tried to copy, but none have come close.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | October 11, 2021 1:41 AM
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Mary Alice died, who played Augustus Hills' Mom. She died in the Season 5 bus crash episode.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 240 | August 2, 2022 12:46 AM
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[quote] And wonderfully gay.
These characters weren't gay.
They may have performed homosexual acts; but that doesn't make them homosexual
by Anonymous | reply 241 | August 2, 2022 12:52 AM
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Fucking a man is kinda gay.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | August 2, 2022 12:54 AM
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Lance Reddick has died. He was a terrible cop, just the worst.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 243 | March 17, 2023 7:07 PM
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I have the whole entire show on dvd but haven't watched it or a while. This thread, however, makes me want to watch it again!
by Anonymous | reply 245 | March 17, 2023 7:57 PM
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