As the Wachowskis close their offices, Lana Wachowski has reportedly said she is done with filmmaking

it looks like Lilly and Lana are quietly retiring.

R1 They do nothing quietly

They certainly are cunts, and I am glad they are going away.

R32 cuntless.....

Why are you calling them cunts? they're pretty decent people.

Good. They haven't made a decent film since Bound.

R5 Ask any of the actors from 'The Matrix' , they are mental cunts

Oh, NO. Will this affect the midterms?

It's very rare that artists ever stop doing what they love They'll be back.

I mean, Jupiter Ascending happened, and then they spent all of Netflix's money on Sense8. Who's going to give them funding now? Kickstarter?

What kind of moron thinks they are spending THEIR own money on a Netflix show? hahaha These two are millionaires on the count of Matrix alone.

Jupiter Ascending

I thought their body of work (Matrix, V is for Vendetta, Sense8, Cloud Atlas) was always creative and interesting to say the very least. They're just ahead of their time. And the fact that they BOTH transitioned adds an unbelievably eccentric factor to who they are and the work they've done. I'm a fan. F*** all y'all!!!

I’m not a fan. They get really close to producing something I would enjoy - but there’s always a dark current of misogyny and a violence-fetish that disturbs me.

I think they ripped Matrix off from someone.

The direction was great...but the story? NOT FROM THEM.

Now that they're women, they're probably just thinking about babies, men and makeup.

R13 No mention of 'Bound'?

How rare is it that two brothers decide to transition? What kind of childhood did they have?

I find it odd that these two transitioned too, but if they're happy, I'm fine with it. I love The Matrix, V and Cloud Atlas, they're truly ahead of their times.

Interesting read. The infamous Rolling Stone article that has been almost completely scrubbed off the internet (but not quite)

R18 Relax Myrtle. I just haven't seen "Bound" yet.

R23 Easily their best film.

No one would give them financing.

I really hated Sens8 I thought it was completely self indulgent .

Jesus, the one isn't even trying to look like a chick.

I enjoyed quite a few of their films, but they were never really ahead of their time. If anything, I'd say Cloud Atlas showed some regressive, light-right politics and basic storytelling that would peg them as more old-fashioned than progressive.

Cloud Atlas was a completely overrated book and the film was worse. The book could have been great but it was so half-assed. The gimmick was just that. At least the author didn't have to scrap all those false starts--he just threw in a birthmark and nested the stories. Lame.

Matrix 1 was the only good one. Sense8 had potential but it was too CareBears to take seriously. V for Vendetta was good because of the source material. Jupiter will probably be fun to watch in a few years for the so bad it's good factor. Never saw Bound because I heard it was a lesbian flick.

[quote] What kind of childhood did they have?

So when did they chose to turn gay?

Ye gods. Is ugly men in dresses a thing on your planet?

What r30? Your comment doesn't make any sense, bad grammar aside. Also, they aren't gay, they're autogynephiles, they're still banging chicks. And that Illsa chick is not as hot as touted in that article.

Lol when Lilly made his debut someone on DL called him Princess Fiona and I can never unsee it 🤣

[quote]I think they ripped Matrix off from someone.

Jupiter Ascending borrows a ton of elements from Colleen Doran's vastly superior and more entertaining comic A Distant Soil. Doran has politely said that she's honored if she inspired them, in response to people pointing out the similarities. She ought to sue their asses.

All of the women in their movies only exist for other men.

It's like their life.

Or their world view.

R7 I did know an actor who was in the Matrix, and they really liked working with them.

They are self-hating straight men who transitioned because a dominatrix told them to. Yes, really.

Yep r38, but they didn't transition, because that's impossible. They just grew pink dreads and put on heels.

R16 R34. The major plot elements of The Matrix was 'borrowed" from the Japanese anime Serial Experiments Lain.

I only liked the Tykwer directed parts in Cloud Atlas not a fan of Wachowskis work

I liked Cloud Atlas. What was regressive about it?

It's like Woody Allen retiring from filmaking or Gwyneth Paltrow consciously uncoupling (from Coldplay singer Chris Martin). Putting a spin on a rather dire and humiliating sitation.

I've pretty much enjoyed all their work, except for the second and third Matrix movie (in my mind, they there is only one Matrix movie). I even loved Speed Racer and Jupiter Ascending. They're both just fun. And I LOVED Sense8.

I think they're amazingly talented and love the fresh spin they put on things. And how inclusive their movies and shows are. It's sad they're "done".

I actually haven't seen any of their movies but that article referenced upthread said they put some kind of christian spin in one of the matrix movies so...

R44 What do you think of Redmayne's acting in Jupiter Ascending? was he ok or awful?

R40 I adore SE:LAIN. Haunting viewing, beautifully composed. There's nothing quite like it.

I remember reading that the creator of LAIN drove himself into a suicidal depression just writing it, if you want an idea of how bleak it is. THE MATRIX is shiny happy popcorny fare by comparison. In fact, I would more readily compare THE MATRIX to Western cyberpunk fare like the first BLADE movie.

R46, oh it wasn't anything that will win any awards, that's for sure. But the whole movie is pretty camp and out there. He was convincing as an effetely evil spoiled sociopath. Again, the movie is FUN. I didn't say it was Shakespeare :-)

Honestly, the worst casting was Mila Kunis. But I just roll with it.

I saw the movie in the theater and had a lot of fun. I've watched it probably a dozen more times on HBO or whatever on cable. It's a visual feast, with a lot of imagination and world building that I just enjoy. You can point out individual flaws all you want, it won't change the fact that I enjoy the whole.

Eddie Redmayne was so bad in Jupiter Ascending there was talk that it might lose him the Oscar for The Theory of Everything. Of course, he wasn’t much better in that.

They’re terrible directors. They take perfectly good stories and completely convolute them with their overindulgent filmmaking style. V for Vendetta was good but that’s about it. Let us hope they find happiness bra-shopping or playing shuffleboard. Whatever retired older women do.

I can see them doing a vaudeville, song & dance act together. Like CZJ & Zellweger in CHICAGO.

R50 they didn’t direct V For Vendetta.

They were a one hit wonder as filmmakers, but I hope at least one of them writes a memoir. I find them fascinating.

[quote]I liked Cloud Atlas. What was regressive about it

Man-womany (straight) and birthy (all about making babies / family / straight rels.) Regressive because in the future we turn back into tardbag hunter / gatherers even though we're educated now. Totally sexist as per usual but look at the straight men in drag (GROSS) who directed it.

What do you expect?

It's a straight-guy movie, like the matrix.

R49 Of course, he wasn’t much better in that.

He was great in TTOE

Good God, aren't you supposed to have some kind of cleavage to wear a slutty blouse like that? It just looks like a fat guy lost a button.

When the balance of your work is generally a bomb, but you have a couple bright lights, those bright spots are luck, not mastery.

When you haven't mastered basic storytelling technique, character development, or plot, when you do create something interesting, it is rarely able to be replicated and never as good.

R12 That is a disgusting gif.

Has michael cimino transitioned?

gross

They both look hideous.

GOOD.

They haven't made a good show since THE MATRIX.

Did anyone understand what Cloud Atlas was all about?

r38 I thought that was more Lily that Lana, re: the dom(me?) influence? Lana never struck me as male, and has talked about being "other" as a child.

I do think trans exists, and I don't get the odd creep feeling with Lana that I do with Lily.

How does a man not strike you as male?

“Man” means “adult male.”

How does an adult male not strike you as an adult male?????

No, he died, R58.

I did not like Sense8, as someone said above, it felt like CareBears of the future.

The Matrix was their one-hit wonder. I guess there were high expectations from them but after all the flops, they couldn't get investors. I'm surprised that Netflix dropped them as they throw money at anyone.

R66 Incorrect, Bound is fucking brilliant

I loved V For Vendetta, but that was because they stuck to the source material, both in story and in art direction.

Thanks for the RS article. They are cunts with dicks.

Who? No idea who they are.

R68 They cut the best part, the cop doing the drugs to go on the cool drug trip to revisit V in prison, is fucking cool

R53, has no fucking clue. Jesus, I've never seen a more grotesque distortion of a movie in my life. Not even close to reality.

R64 is kind of stupid. Okay, he's really fucking stupid.

R69 lives in a hole in the ground. A cave would be too sophisticated.

Just remember - according to Bustle, The Matrix is the first female-directed movie trilogy ever made! What an achievement!

Even though they both identified as men at the time.

[quote] Bridget Jones's Baby might be making history as the second female-directed movie trilogy ever made (Lana and Lilly Wachowski directed The Matrix series)

R71 R72 R73 Is the resident pro tranny troll

No, R75, just the anti-stupid/ignorant/moron troll.

R76 Oh, the hall monitor, how neat

r72 No, he's right, that's a dude and will always be one.

They'll be back once they realize there is no other place like film & commercials for making money.

Maybe they can team up with Daniel Day Lewis on a comeback flick.

They look like they could be Stefonkeee's "sisters"

Yes r80! I thought the same and if r72 looks at Stephoknee and sees anything but a large man...

When did the 2nd brother trans?

R82 When he was told too

That article in Bustle is a piece of shit. They made The Matrix while they were guys and they still are. They still have XY chromosomes. .

I love sense8, even though honestly I barely understand what the fuck it's about. I just like when the sense8s do stuff together.

[quote]All of the women in their movies only exist for other men.

Have you seen Bound? Because it is literally the opposite of what you are asserting.

The brothers WANTED TO BE THE WOMEN in Bound, that's why it was so sexually charged.

Also, Bound is every straight dude's fantasy.

I think the pink dreads look good.

[quote]Also, Bound is every straight dude’s fantasy.

The Wachowskis employed Susie Bright as a sex consultant on the film so that the scenes were realistic. And saying that a lesbian sex scene is just about fulfilling straight guy fantasies seems to reflect *your* need to see women as existing solely for men’s pleasure. It is not implied by the film at all.

I think that Lana is naturally pretty. I know that the hair is not to everyone’s taste, but I think she pulls it off.

Back the fuck up tranny troll at r90, I'm a fucking woman and I don't have a *need* to see women in sexual roles. Also, you are fucking blind if you think that dude with pink dreads is "naturally pretty".

Well, R91, two women having sex is sexual, no? Reducing it to a “straight dude fantasy” is rather narrow. And you don’t need to be a bigot.

They’re not dreads. It’s an example of white ppl appropriating black culture, according to the SJWs: apparently black dreads can be undone/washed but white “dreads” are just matted hair (hairballs) which can’t be thoroughly washed so they reek.

I have known an otherwise-hot blond guy who had matted faux dreads and he smelled like the sickly sweet putrid liquid you find at the bottom of a dumpster in July. It was nauseating to stand downwind of him.

I imagine Lana gets a pass from the SJWs about his matted hair because “she” is nobly “living her truth” in this big bad world that oppresses T’s more than anyone 🙄

R92 Pointing out Lana looks like a fuckwit is not bigotry, it is fucking perfect taste

"Natural beauty". Compared to who Jocelyn Wildenstein? Adam Duritz's dreads were fake, I'm guessing Lana's are too.

Lots of naked hate for transexuals on this site. It’s bewildering and sounds just like some hick southerner talking about “the homosexuals” in the 1950s. But the opressed becoming the opressor is nothing new.

Anyway, you win. This is too depressing and I’m out. Just know that you’re on the wrong side of history, just like Bubba was.

Lana and the wife. I think Lana is prettier.

R96, would you consider having sex with someone like Buck Angel?

R96 is blocked . Hopefully forever.

[quote]Lots of naked hate for transexuals on this site.

Not really. It's just a small group of very, very obsessed individuals who have issues of their own and who try to turn every thread into an anti-trans thread. Mostly, the rest of us just move on and ignore their obsession, as there is absolutely no point in ever talking to them. They are incapable of logic or reason and are immune to data, so every thread of theirs always ends up the same way, with the same bile being spewed and the same drama queen rhetoric and the same self-congratulatory posts about how wonderfully brave they are for standing up to the "transtapo."

They are the ultimate SJWs and blissfully unaware that this is precisely what they are.

r96 Lots of naked hate for women from transexuals, anyway, I hope they don't win. They are most assuredly on the wrong side of history, some history degree that was taken away from a girl athlete because she lost her scholarship because some guy in shorts who called himself a girl beat her in a track meet. Mary! me if you must, but it's the fucking truth.

[quote]I think they ripped Matrix off from someone.

They ripped everything off from myriads of people. The visuals of The Matrix were ripped off from a comic book called The Incredibles, right down to Morpheus' round sunglasses and many of the action sequences. I can't find it now but there was a website that had a side by side comparison of panels from the comic book and sequences from the movie, and they were identical.

As Grant Morrison puts it:

[quote]It’s really simple. The truth of that one is that design staff on The Matrix were given Invisibles collections and told to make the movie look like my books. This is a reported fact. The Wachowskis are comic book creators and fans and were fans of my work, so it’s hardly surprising. I was even contacted before the first Matrix movie was released and asked if I would contribute a story to the website.

And--

[quote]I love the first Matrix movie which I think is a real work of cinematic genius and very timely but I’ve now heard from several people who worked on The Matrix and they’ve all confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference. That’s how it is. I’m not angry about it anymore, although at one time I was because they made millions from what was basically a Xerox of my work and to be honest, I would be happy with just one million so I didn’t have to work thirteen hours of every fucking day, including weekends.

Do they now have vaginas or did they stick with their dicks?

Two things the Wachowskis ain't.....Women.

They're bizarre men in drag demanding to be called women, which is the most misogynist thing one can be.

Notice how frequently Laverne Cox (also a drag queen) is called a "Hero" for being reasonably passable, while the Wachowskis are hidden from view....also a deeply misogynistic thing, if you want to be all SJW about it!

R102 If he visual similarity is so close, sue them.

Sorry, but Cox is not "reasonably passable". Not at all.

R100 Giggle, thought 'anti trans bigots' or whatever baby words you use were the exact opposite of SJW, as the reason we fight against tranny nonsense is we have read the trans bullshit and found it lacking in anything that would require gay and lesbians to support, as in the trans rhetoric is misogynist, homophobic, child destroying, based in feels and zero research into any area that proves it is either safe or good practice to 'transition' any human

Like I said, R107, "blissfully unaware." But an SJW is exactly what you are, by the precise definition of that term: a "warrior" for "social justice."

Thank you, by the way, for verifying "the same bile being spewed and the same drama queen rhetoric," etc. It's so nice to have that example so quickly, not that anyone here needs me to call you on it. It's just one of the reasons that everyone here avoids you and why your threads get avoided, closed, and deleted.

You never learn.

The plunging neckline on the one on the right is too revealing. Too much cleavage.

R63

Lana is one who transitioned due to BDSM and married the dominatrix who had previously been married to Buck Angel.

Who the hell knows why Lily transitioned. Joe was always a mega bro. Maybe he was jealous of the attention Lana was getting.

r22 the Rolling Stone article link doesn't work

R108 No honey, the threads are deleted because Mediapolis is in bed with GLAAD who push this trans narrative as if it is actually backed by research and facts, which it is not, it is just backed up by a fuck load of old money.

Peak Trans is happening constantly now, because the shit these mentals spout is so obviously total fucking bullshit

R112, you should just go find some 4chan site to plague and leave us alone.

[quote]would you consider having sex with someone like Buck Angel?

No. But I had dinner with him in an S&M restaurant once -- "La Nouvelle Justine". Anyone remember that place? Really nice guy. This is when he and Karin (aka Ilsa Strix) were "married" and ran a dungeon in L.A. She was at dinner too. (The Rolling Stone article upstring gives the whole story) I didn't know Buck did porn. But I thought he was a good person. He was a good friend to a lot of people, including a friend of mine, and when Karin left him and got with Larry she broke his heart.

R53 with the true true

No, R115, nothing R53 said is true. Everything R53 said is fringe delusional garbage.

They're such beauties. I figure they will storm the modeling world the way they stormed the directing world. They will be doing photography sessions for Prada and Chanel.

I think the crazy-haired one actually does look like a woman (an ugly one, but still). I know real women who look like that. I won't even comment on the other one.

No way the one on the right can ever look fem. He used to look like the WWF's King Kong Bundy:

r96 Do homosexuals deserve not to be discriminated against? And do we have the right to be homosexual without being called transphobic terfs? Sort yourself out.

I am enjoying the OP's picture.

The one on the left is wearing a lurid synthetic mop on their head.

The one on the right is modelling a natural mop mix of canvas and pig-fibre.

Did they have bottom surgery?

I'm with you R45, I haven't seen any of their movies either.

Poorly-lit comic-movies without intellectual content are for children.

R123, you have no idea what you are talking about. Bound, V for Vendetta, and the first Matrix are not lacking in intellectual content and are definitely not for children. You sound like a really boring and annoying person when you put out proclamations about your ignorance.

R124 Does the second Matrix movie have less intellectual content than the first?

(I haven't seen either)

R108, would you have sex with a transman?

The second and third movies in the trilogy were pretty bad. If you liked the Matrix, just know that it's downhill from there. The Matrix & Bound were great. Part of the issue with the sequels was the amount of time taken up by action scenes and their "bullet time" special effects. The plot was like 20% of the thing... the fighting & running around was 80%.

I get very tired of "bullet time" R127 in these comic movies.

I heard that Henry Cavill was star of a Supermen but had only 26 lines over 2 hours.

It was so DARK I could hardly see him.

R125, I honestly pretend the second and third Matrix movies don't even exist. Saw them once. That was enough. The first one is amazing, though.

Note that they identified as men until after the release of the Matrix, so it was really directed by men regardless of how they identify today.

The only depictions of gay men : matrix's two older guys in leather; sense 8's gay guy who shares his bf with women and can't defend himself without help.

I hate these straight male assholes in constant halloween style drag.

R114, unless you would be prepared to have sex and relationships with transmen (assuming you are a gay man) then you should be considered transphobic. It's very noticeable how you avoided the question (which wasn't limited to Buck but included people like him).

[quote]Has michael cimino transitioned?

Transitioned from alive to dead, yeah.

R72...what’s stupid is concluding that a man doesn’t seem like a man.

What could one possibly base that conclusion? That the man does perform traditional sex roles? That’s ridiculously regressive & backward.

Susie Bright is a sellout...to pimps.

Lana I believe is a transwoman the other one is just a dude in drag, didn't want to be the only boy. I don't buy his story.

Both are rich, straight white men into porn.

This is a sex fetish.

Dressing in woman face gets their manhood hard.

I don’t understand r97 - he got a sex change so he could be a lesbian?

Ah but how can you tell r135? You just get that feeling? This is the big fucking problem with all of this, so some really are tortured souls that should invade women's spaces but some are just faking it? Fuck all that.

R137 Caitlyn Jenner is a lesbian too

Lesbian transwomen like Dana Rivers are actually straight men.

R114, you had to feel for him after reading the RS story.

R141 Relationships breakup everyday, boo hoo for her

I love a quick wit and a sharp tongue - but damn y’all some angry mean bitches in this thread. Sounds like half of you are ready for a MAGA rally.

[quote]Lesbian transwomen like Dana Rivers are actually straight men.

I thought this was obvious.

[quote] Sounds like half of you are ready for a MAGA rally.

Full of people who think being gay is a consolation prize.

r136 I've heard/read several interviews with Lana, and I don't get that impression. She talked about being 'disembodied', so to speak, from a young age. Having a porn fetish, even being an autogynephile, isn't the same as having no masculine traits/habits or appearance and not IDing with anything male from childhood. It's Andy I'd think would be the autogynephile, not Lana. Any MtFs I've known over the years are similar to Lana. (I do believe it exists, but is way rarer than the current attention whoring 'non-binary' trend would suggest.)

In fairness, BDSM is not my bailiwick.

All I can think about re: The Warchawskis is the Rave Orgy.

Plato's Allegory of the Cave is the original source for The Matrix.

R145 has to be a joke? Lana/Larry was/is heavily into sissy porn the same shit that other autogynphile tranny’s like Stefonknee and zinnia Jones are into.

[quote]Mary! me if you must, but it's the fucking truth.

You don't understand even the fucking DL basics, R101. So needy to be accepted - ironically - by (gay) men. Run along back to your lesbo sites, there's a boring dear.

FF r149

T is just an excuse for weak men to bully strong women

r145 I DO know a lot about BDSM, I worked in a dungeon in North Hollywood, and there were a lot of Hollwood and other execs who came in there. Their biggest request was humiliation. One of the dommes would have her guy park down the street in this rough neighborhood and walk to the dungeon is ridiculous high heels and makeup. These guys are power players calling all the shots all day long and at the end of the day, they want to be dominated and controlled by someone else and what better humiliation than being force feminized? No fucking way this dude is a woman in a man's body, but now he is free of the strains of having to be a man and make all these executive decisions. And I guarantee that fat domme he is with humiliates him on the regular still, starting with making him wear that hideous hair. Oh and fuck you r149.

His name is Larry. He has a dick. He is a man.

[quote][R145] has to be a joke? Lana/Larry was/is heavily into sissy porn the same shit that other autogynphile tranny’s like Stefonknee and zinnia Jones are into.

Not surprising. Sissy porn isn’t something many gay men even know about much less are into since it revolves around femdom and the sub wanting to be perceived (and degraded) as a female bimbo. Larry is a classic case if that RS article is accurate.

That whole “disembodied” garbage is because they see female bodies as objects— material goods that they can purchase and possess. That’s it.

I am a proud gay man, I have no transgendered tendencies. But I work in fashion, and I'm around beautiful women every day and see the power they have over straight men.

So every once in a while, I'll see this no brain beauty marry a $$$ hedge fund guy and think, if I was ever to have a sex change (which would be never - I love being gay and my big dick too much) I would want to be as beautiful as I could. And these Wachowski girls have enough money to go to the best plastic surgeons on the planet, the best nutritionist, the best trainers in their world at their disposable. So why are they so ugly????

so many M2F "women" are so damn ugly??? With that kind of money, I want to walk into a room and stop every straight man in their tracks oogle me.

I see this time and time again, really really really ugly M2F lesbian trannies. for fuck's sake, pick up a Vogue magazine and do your research.

bump

Because it's even more powerful to make people acknowledge you as a woman and treat you as such even when the cognitive dissonance is so fucking rampant! You can bet that the trannies that need to pass don't pull this 5 o'clock shadow and bulging cock under a dress bullshit. Only the ones like in r154 who are already powerful and wealthy and have many sycophants around them. What a fucking rush, to have some hot young thing have to possibly flirt with you despite being fucking disgusting, just to not be called a bigot or get fired.

I’m offended and outraged by your remarks, r156!! No one would ever do such a thing!!

Exactly r157! It's a real life Emperor's new clothes! I mean that dude looks like fucking Stephonknee with the girlish frocks and barrettes in his hair and people have to treat him like a woman and kiss his ass as such.

DEEEEEEEYUM! Them's some fugly broads.

R23, you MUST get around to watching Bound, ASAP.

I’m a huge Matrix fan, but Bound was their best.

I recently got into the V for Vendetta source material. Thought it fitting, with our current political climate, with other countries (Brazil) following in our heinous footsteps. I have always enjoyed comics, and was probably the only little girl in my family who insisted on reading them.

Thank you to the above poster who suggested Serial Experiments Lain. Will check it out as well.

These two kooky dudes/chicks are interesting as fuck. Nothing is worse for wear because they popped up on the scene.

I like "Jupiter Ascending" better with each viewing. The originality, the visuals, the world-building... it's all fascinating, and the pacing is great.

The one on the right looks like a man in a dress.

Those Are men baby.

too fug to be girls

too poor to git teeth fixed?

or proper drag dress, surely the one in black on the right is kidding.....

unreal

One of them looks very passable as a female. The other hasn't got a fucking chance.

Yes, yes, 50 posts all saying the same goddamned thing, but you really had to add your own parrot of the same topic, right? Ugh. Just stop. Nobody cares. Everyone has eyes. Their appearance is irrelevant. And it's none of your business anyway.

why be a trans jus to be a ugly one?

[quote]why be a trans jus to be a ugly one?

Autogynephilia, baby. It's a kink.

This is a little off topic, but I hooked up with this older guy (49) who was very handsome and very flirty. He was working on his car in his driveway as I walked by. But he stopped me and asked me some ridiculous question, and realized he's flirting with me. Cut to the chase... we get to my place he gets naked and fucking Jesus Christ, has one of the world's best dicks (believe me, I've been around). Huge and uncut (which unlike DL standards, I happened to love uncut and even fetishize uncut dicks.) We had a great afternoon, but I could tell he was not very experienced in gay sex, I thought mid-life crises and now he realizes he's hitting 50 and realizes that attracted to men and is a big ole bottom?

That first afternoon was fun, a possible fuck buddy in my neighborhood who is walking distance from my place great. We hook up a couple of times more. Then one night he calls me around 3 am and wants to hook up, and I"m instantly hard and say come on over. While still on the phone he asked if he could wear a sexy outfit - I'm hell yes, stop talking and come over. In hindsight, I really should have asked what his interpretation of sexy outfit was.

When he knocks on the door, I open it and there is this very very handsome guy standing there in an awful thrift store mini dress and a $10 wig! I'm speechless. He tells me he likes to dress up in women's clothes and panties and likes to be called Tiffany (how cliche.) Anyways, he can tell right away that I'm shocked, to say the least. I tell him that he's totally ok with his fetish, but it is really not my thing. He tells me that I'm on the few people to ever meet "Tiffany" and if I'm not into sex with "Tiffany" could she hang out at my place. Now I'm feeling like a jerk, I realize that this married, straight father of 4 with 2 grandkids has this big secret, and I have no boner for him.

So feeling guilty, I let him in and we have a couple of drinks. After some back and forth, we come to a comprise, no "Tiffany" or wig or women's clothes but he can keep the women's panties on. Again we had great sex, I fucked him, he fucked me with his massive cock (wearing the panties really turned him on.)

So it was weird, but we made it work. The next time he came over, he was in male clothes but had a thong on, which doesn't really bother me. however, like I said before he doesn't really have anyone to talk about his gender issues and this time he asked me about gender reassignment surgery, and he was thinking about. I pulled his massive dick out of my mouth and said you'd really want to cut this off. Please don't. Have your play time with you girlie clothes, but don't do anything permanent until you are 100% sure. You have a wife, kids and grandkids to keep in mind. Plus, I actually said this, you are a very handsome and very masculine man, and no amount of hormones or surgery is ever going to make you pass as a woman. keep it as your kink. He listened and I think he understood. So we had a couple more fuck session.

That is until the 2016 elections, where after sex, we were just talking about random things and he said American will never vote for a female, his words "what are we going to do when Hillary is on her period and being hormonal." for fuck's sake, I told him she's in her late 70's asshole, she not having a period ever. he then revealed himself to be a Trumph supported, and I was done. I can handle ladies undergarments, but a Trumph supporter I draw the line. no matter how amazing our sex life was, or how I fucking worshipped his porno worthy uncut cock. I told him to leave and we have never hooked up with again. I've seen him in my neighborhood, but now just ignore him.

Trannies are fucked in the head.

Yup, r170, I have yet to hear of a single MtT, whether an autogynephile or a "genuine" trans with body dysphoria, who's not a self-absorbed misogynist, let alone any who are actually (*gasp!*) feminists who advocate for women's rights. Doesn't surprise me at all that "Tiffany" was a Trumpster.

R167 is obviously a very furious Lilly Wachowski.

You make your choices and made it public and put it all out there and you made it our business Lilly. You're going to have to develop a sense of humor or something.

Though no one would say it in public now, based on what has been written about Lana, who she married and the scene she was/is involved in, Lana/Larry was/is an autogynophile.

Absolutely, R173. Larry is simply an autogynephile who was rich enough to quit his job, marry his dom, and live his kink 24/7 for the rest of his life. It's unusual, but, you know, whatever floats his boat. The part that really weirds me out is that his brother copied him. What are the odds of that? What the hell was/is their relationship?

Obviously their parents over indulged the two of them...Lana is an idiot who likes to be tortured and Lilly does not mind being the ugliest girl in the room. What the fuck? The neighborhood they grew up in put no limitations on them.

No they did not steal their story from anyone.