Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)1) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/04/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

Several of the Trolls in the last thread just cleared their cookies!

Be Aware!

Title timing is good.

Oh yes!

Great title!

With respect to Nunes:

[quote]Nunes said “70 or 80 percent” of the transcripts weren’t classified, and that the transcripts that are would need to be cleared for release by the Director of National Intelligence.

Expect heavy redaction and cherry-picking.

Gowdy has already demonstrated while chairing the Select Committee on Benghazi that he is willing to alter documents to gain political advantage. Gowdy made fake redactions to Clinton’s email (after the CIA had prepared documents for release) to give the appearance that Clinton had communicated inappropriately.

Gowdy is the point person for documents on Nunes’s committee.

Look out for funny business.

Just noticed Nunes has a similar flabby, dead-eyed affect to SC-wanna-be Kavanaugh. Better complexion, though.

@rgoodlaw One year after alleged sexual assault, Kavanaugh’s friend and alleged accomplice (Mark Judge) thought it great to associate himself with this quote in their high school yearbook 1983:

"Certain women should be struck regularly, like gongs"

FEMA broadcast Thursday!

FEMA director blames Puerto Rico ‘spousal abuse’ — but defends Trump — after 3,000 people die due to hurricane

“A little hint, perhaps, of how important Manafort’s guilty plea is to the investigation: Mueller signed the criminal information himself. He hasn’t done that for any other plea deal, not even for Flynn.”

Translation: "This one's mine, boys"

Is that for real, R13? If so, how the fuck to I block that shit from getting anywhere near my phone!?

Shit, R13 is for real but I can't find a way to block it. I'd rather die in a national disaster than hear one word from Trump over my phone.

Anyone (everyone?) think it's a nice little pretext to declaring martial law? Strange timing for a national cell phone alert system test, no?

We'll be under martial law by Friday. I'm buying in half-gallons of vodka.

R17, it won't be from Trump. And there are instructions online as to how to block it. Google it.

Removing the battery is the only way to prevent POTUS - FEMA spam

R19 isn't helpful and is wrong.

This particular alert is one that doesn't allow for blocking.

I just took the battery out and buried my Smartphone™ in the backyard

R19, Snopes says that he can do it but says there's no evidence he would use it to do whatever the fuck he wants. Uh, I think his whole life has been evidence that he will use if for whatever the fuck he wants.

And, where's the magical information you have about how to block it?

People who attempt to block the message will automatically be put on a Homeland Security Watch List, r23, so I would avoid even searching for information about this since every keystroke is being captured and if you attempt to find ways to block the President's message it will immediately flag you to the attention of DHS

The problem is, R24, that if he thought he could actually get away with it, he wouldn't have a problem doing all of that.

It's not fair if we can't block Trump.

So you’re saying we are being threatened with unlawful investigation by Homeland Security by merely attempting to avoid coup-instigation via text message by a rapist, treasonous President in bed with Putin?

FUCK THAT.

If they’re saying that the very act of googling anti-Trump information to avoid his propaganda in the guise of “emergency messages” — Trump, a literal traitor to the Constitution — is “dangerous”, we are already living in dangerous, post-coup times.

FUCK TRUMP.

On the phone to the ACLU.

R27, I believe R24 was exaggerating for effect. The fact that it's a little to close to possible with Trump is what's scary.

New episode of Mueller, She Wrote out just now.

This reminds me of North Korea where citizens have speakers in their homes installed having to listen to Kim's propaganda day in day out. And turning, or taking, the speakser off is punishable by death.

sorry, speakers.

Love the podcast. Follows-up on all the lines of inquiry. Name it, and they cover it.

Has anybody watched Active Measures yet?

Quite a couple of things I knew, but this was a very comprehensive docu about all the people who conspired and their involvement.

Yes I did. Every DLer who ever posted in a Treason thread needs to watch it.

Nike Poster for Nov midterms - pretty cool!

Where can we access Active Measures? YouTube?

Hulu r36

Will this woman who said that Kavanaugh almost raped her in 1982 when they were both teenagers derail his nomination?

God I hope so. He's scum.

R38, I'm waiting for the others sure to come....this type of behavior is not erased by heading to institutions of higher learning in this country.....in fact....

Robert Mueller gets his man

Paul Manafort breaks

The president’s former campaign chief is now cooperating with investigators

Democracy in America

Sep 15th 2018

by LEXINGTON | WASHINGTON, DC

“IT DOESN'T involve me”, said Donald Trump, after his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was convicted by a court in Virginia on eight counts of financial fraud last month. “This had absolutely nothing to do with the president,” said his spokeswoman, Sarah Sanders, on September 14th, after Mr Manafort unexpectedly pleaded guilty in Washington, DC to two additional charges. As that turned out to be part of a newly-minted cooperation agreement with Robert Mueller, the special counsel, we may soon know whether Mr Trump and Ms Sanders are right.

Assuredly, none of the crimes Mr Manafort has been convicted of or admitted to is directly related to the president. The 69-year-old political operative was convicted last month on eight of a possible 18 charges of tax and bank fraud, and of failing to disclose foreign bank accounts. These related to Mr Manafort’s consulting work on behalf of pro-Russia politicians in Ukraine in the early 2000s, for which he earned around $60m. He also hatched a scheme to borrow $20m fraudulently from American banks. Most of these crimes were committed before he played any part in Mr Trump’s election campaign, and there is no suggestion that the president was involved in any of them.

Mr Manafort was due to stand a second trial, in Washington next week, on seven additional charges. These included money laundering, tax fraud, lying to the justice department, failing to register as a foreign agent and obstructing justice by attempting to influence a potential witness against him. Again, there was nothing in those allegations directly related to Mr Trump. The president has known Mr Manafort for decades. But he is not alleged to have played any part in the crimes Mr Mueller charged him with.

Yet Mr Manafort appears to know something that Mr Mueller, who is investigating possible collusion between Mr Trump’s campaign and Russian election hackers, among other things, wants to know. Hence the cooperation deal the two parties have now struck.

In return for leniency from Mr Mueller, Mr Manafort has committed to assist the government with “any and all” matters. That may involve turning over any documents or other evidence demanded of him, or appearing as a witness for the government, as requested. It will also involve providing an account of “his participation in and knowledge of all criminal activities”.

The seven charges Mr Manafort faced in Washington were as a result reduced to two lesser charges of conspiracy, to which he pleaded guilty. These included financial crimes and witness tampering. He also admitted his guilt on charges of bank fraud that the court in Virginia had failed to reach a verdict on. The other outstanding charges in that trial have been dropped. Yet Mr Manafort has by no means got off lightly.

He agreed to forfeit his wealth. He will hand over to the government four properties, including a condominium in Trump Tower, together worth several million dollars, as well as the contents of four bank accounts and a life insurance policy. More seriously, he has accepted that he faces a total prison sentence of not less than 17.5 years. A life sentence, in other words, for a man of his age. Yet if Mr Manafort provides the government with “substantial assistance in the form of truthful information and, where applicable, testimony,” Mr Mueller may be persuaded to argue for a lesser sentence.

How much help to Mr Mueller can Mr Manafort provide? That is the great question, not least for Mr Manafort’s prospects of leaving prison alive.

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He could feasibly be very helpful. Mr Mueller is investigating the Trump campaign’s links to well-connected Russians. And Mr Manafort built a career on his dealings with them. He was communicating with at least one, Oleg Deripaksa, an oligarch and ally of Vladimir Putin, while working for Mr Trump. He offered Mr Deripaksa, to whom he was either heavily in debt, or heavily in credit, depending whom you believe, “private briefings” about the campaign.

Perhaps more significantly, in June 2016, Mr Manafort attended the meeting in Trump Tower which is the main scrap of evidence in the public domain of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians. The meeting involved senior members of the campaign—also including Donald Trump Junior and Jared Kushner, Mr Trump's eldest son and son-in-law—and three Russians with Kremlin links, including a lawyer called Natalia Veselnitskaya. The meeting had been arranged by Mr Trump’s son after he was informed that the Russians had dirt to dish on Hillary Clinton.

The Trump administration has denied that and said there is no such dirt. The president has said he knew nothing of the meeting. Mr Manafort can probably tell Mr Mueller whether that is true. No doubt, he already has.

It is hard to imagine the special counsel would have entered into this deal without a pretty good idea of what Mr Manafort had to offer. It might not be a lot. In the worst case for the special counsel, he has forced one of the most senior Trump aides to admit that he is guilty as charged and due many years in prison. In the process Mr Manafort has become the fourth former member of the Trump team to enter into a formal cooperation arrangement with Mr Mueller—the others include Mike Flynn, the former national security adviser, and Mr Manafort’s former partner, Rick Gates. That represents yet another big win for Mr Mueller’s highly productive investigation.

Yet there are also signs that Mr Mueller has been angling for something pretty substantial from Mr Manafort all along. Notwithstanding his Russia connections, Mr Manafort’s crimes fall far outside the special counsel’s main remit: Russian election-hacking and the Trump team’s possible involvement with it. The special counsel might therefore have been expected to hand his case over to regular federal prosecutors—as he did with Mr Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen, who was last month pleaded guilty to eight charges, including tax evasion and lying to a bank. The fact that Mr Mueller chose to keep Mr Manafort to himself could suggest he thinks he has something significant to offer. (Mr Cohen was not offered a deal ahead of his guilty plea. Though, despite having once sworn to “take a bullet” for Mr Trump, Mr Cohen is also reported to be seeking a cooperation agreement with Mr Mueller, in the hope of a lenient sentence.)

A lesser mystery concerns what Mr Manafort has been playing at all this time. The evidence against him was so damning that it always looked as if he would be convicted. With that in mind, he might logically have sought an agreement with Mr Mueller before his case first came to trial, at which point he would have had a stronger negotiating hand. That he did not seek a deal then suggests one of two things, Either Mr Manafort was delusional about his hopes of evading justice. Or he was holding out for a presidential pardon.

Mr Trump’s former lawyer, John Dowd, is reported to have aired the possibility of such a pardon with Mr Manafort’s lawyers last year. Mr Trump loves pardoning people. He also fears Mr Mueller. Yet according to his current chief lawyer, Rudi Giuliani, the president was later dissuaded from considering pardoning any of his aides until after Mr Mueller had completed his investigation. He would otherwise risk providing the special counsel with even more evidence of obstruction of justice than Mr Trump may have provided already.

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That has not prevented the president commenting on Mr Manafort’s case. In response to his conviction in Virginia, Mr Trump tweeted: “I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break”—make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!”

What does Mr Trump think of brave Mr Manafort now? It shouldn’t take long to find out.

At R41, I'm not sure why it was censored, but the ellipses here:

[quote] Mr Trump’s former lawyer, [...], is reported to have

Is for J0hn Dowd JohnDowd

Thank you, OP for the new thread!

Re: the emergency alert thing. What happens if your phone is turned off?

[quote]R19 isn't helpful and is wrong. This particular alert is one that doesn't allow for blocking.

Speaking of wrong.... I repeat: there are instructions online as to how to block it. Those same instructions were posted here on another thread. It gets you into the internals of your phone but it can be done and it isn't even that difficult.

[quote[ Graham lives alone and has never married, which has sometimes sparked insinuations about his personal life that he’s always swatted away. “Don’t believe anything anybody tells you about my Air Force exploits,” Graham once told the Washington Post about his military tour, which took him to Paris and Rome. “I was very heterosexual, that’s all you need to know.” (His record on LGBTQ-rights legislation is consistently conservative.) David Woodard, who ran Graham’s first congressional campaign, in 1994, believes Lindsey is married to politics — “One of those pledged bachelors,” he says. “Maybe if you were in Oxford or Cambridge, you had dons like that.”

Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

[quote]“I was very heterosexual, that’s all you need to know.”

How to block presidential alerts on an Android phone.

Next thread should be titled Treasonheit 11/9 or is that too clever?

Yeah, Assange is totally running to Snowden's new homeland. Needs that protection. Doesn't realize that they'll off him whenever they feel like it.

I like it r51

Thanks, R48. I loved this paragraph:

[quote]The Nov. 30, 2010, missive is part of a much larger trove of WikiLeaks emails, chat logs, financial records, secretly recorded footage and other leaked documents. The files provide both an intimate look at the radical transparency organization and an early hint of Assange's budding relationship with Moscow.

So the WikiLeaks founder got some karma coming back at him, as his own internal documents were leaked.

Someone's going to pay the right people to get him to Russia.

An aside, but that governor of NC is a Democrat, faced with a viciously anti-democratic state legislature. I really hope he's managing the hurricane well or he'll be blamed for the damage.

R46 and yet you weren't able to link to anything or paste the instructions so... basically useless.

R57, I pasted the link in r50. How does it feel to be publicly humiliated?

R50 interesting but only seems to work if you have a rooted phone.

R58 if you think that equates to public humiliation... I feel sorry for you. You posted twice prior and didn't bother to link or post anything so... again... those posts were useless.

I feel sorry for R58.

Looks like trolls are back to FFing this thread (greyed out).

WW the OP to undo the troll work!

Dear R60, there is this thing called "Google" that I can refer you to. Finding multiple links took all of 30 seconds. I assumed that the people here were bright enough to do so. Clearly, I was wrong about you.

So again...there is no actual way to stop the alerts unless your phone isnt stock.

What if the phone is turned off as mentioned above? Will you just get the message once it is turned back on?

Sure, R63, keep telling yourself that.

R63 you sort of sound tedious.

LOL.... Thank you for confirming the diagnosis so quickly, R65.

I'll be happy to give your analysis all of the attention it merits, R66.

And, with that, I'll stop having fun with the idiots. Fun though it is, this doesn't warrant derailing the thread. Carry on.

Sure, R67 R68, sure.

It is actually stupid when people say, "Yes there's a way, I know how to do it and you can Google it."

Why bother? Either share it or shut up.

But R69 certainly knows something about idiots.

And R69 proves our analysis of it!

Take the alerts shit to the respective thread and stop derailing this one.

Thread monitor has appeared!

Rumor on twitter that Ronan farrow has the Apprentice tapes in hand. Anyone else hear this ..?

i just watched Active Measures this weekend. Thanks to whoever recommended it.

It was very interesting and unlike rwnj "exposes", there are interviews from former intelligence personnel.

[quote]Anyone else hear this ..?

Yes, right here on DL.

Apple doesn't fall far from the treason!

At this point what does anyone think the Apprentice tapes is going to do?

Everyone knows he's a Racist. Those who are disgusted that already don't support him. Those that know it and support him.... will probably just cheer.

Thanks r77!

[quote]Everyone knows he's a Racist. Those who are disgusted that already don't support him. Those that know it and support him.... will probably just cheer.

If nothing else, it puts every Republican lawmaker (and wannabe lawmaker) on the hot seat: "Do you agree with the racial attitudes of the leader of your party?"

[quote] "Do you agree with the racial attitudes of the leader of your party?"

No of course not... but you have to look into his HEART not what he says!

Those two fighting is like Jabba VS Madgebot!

R80, it might be useful at the margins. We don't know. But it's definitely interesting from an historical perspective. Hidden tapes, finally revealing his using the foulest words.

If nothing else... Burnett should have his ass handed to him for protecting the SOB.

Nice analysis.

Manafort absolutely positively better not hold anything back. The whole truth, only truth.

Does anyone besides me consider that by the time Mueller concludes his investigation, the anxiety and despair will drive "unnamed co-conspirator" faster and further into dementia to the point where institutionalization rather than incarceration will be the recommendation?

I think he is close to there now, r89.

Thanks for the article R87. I loved this part of it:

[quote]What distinguishes Trumpworld from an organized-crime syndicate or a money-laundering bank, of course, is the presidency itself. Trump could use its powers to shut down the Russia investigation, fire Mueller and other top Justice Department personnel, and pardon his cronies with relative ease. That threat is now somewhat mitigated. Mueller’s team told the court during Friday’s allocution that Manafort had already begun providing them with information, which limits the practical impact of pardoning him now.

[quote]Moreover, in recent months, the president’s legal team occasionally suggested they might demand Mueller hew to a September 1 deadline, implying any major action after that would be interfering the November midterms. If Trump now attempts to halt Manafort’s cooperation with a pardon or other major move, he may face a similar quandary. Democrats are currently forecast to make major gains in the House of Representatives and have a slim chance at retaking the Senate. Given Mueller’s current popularity, any substantive steps against him would probably make a Democratic takeover of Congress—and with it, potential impeachment proceedings—even more likely. Manafort’s flip means Trump is damned if he tries to stop the Russia investigation before November and damned if he doesn’t.

Mr Mueller for Time's Person of the Year and People Magazine's sexiest man Alive

r90 I honestly believe 45 has frontotemporal dementia with Lewy bodies and narcissistic personality disorder. The evidence supporting psychiatrists' and physicians' claims he has dementia convinces me. Hospitalization may exacerbate his paranoiac tendencies. Either in jail or in hospital, his diet is not going to improve -- look how OJ Simpson ballooned in his jail term.

For me the dilemma is: do I want to see as many people, regardless of political affiliation, receive justice for their treasonous crimes, or do I want sweet retribution NOW and stanch the damage and abuse?

I don’t want trump to get ill until he goes to jail first. For my own sanity I need the orange jumpsuit unkempt hair image to keep with me forever.

It's selfish of me, I know, but I really want to see Ivanka implicated and disgraced. She's tried very hard to make it appear she isn't what her father is, yet clips along merrily with his bullshit and presumes to be working for us when no one asked her. He can at least claim to have run for the office. She epitomizes the worst of their brand, imo.

When does the paper towel throwing commence for the citizens of NC and SC?

LOL, R96. I would love to see a reporter ask Sarah Huckabee Sanders this question during the daily briefing.

Reporter: Sarah, does the President have any plans to visit the hurricane-ravaged areas of North Carolina and South Carolina and, if so, is he planning to throw paper towels at the American citizens there?

I am sure the paper towels are from the dollar store and not name brands like Bounty or Brawney

They’re probably Sparkle™️ paper towels donated by the Koch Bros.

Michael Flynn is ready for sentencing according to news reports. It looks like he will be sentenced in November.

[quote]It looks like he will be sentenced in November.

Make it before November 6.

The official who blamed spousal abuse for PR hurricane deaths, is under investigation

[quote]Brock Long, the administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and two other federal employees may have broken multiple laws while they commuted frequently between Washington and Mr. Long’s home in Hickory, N.C., at taxpayers’ expense said one of the people briefed on the investigation.

Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1

CNN Poll

Arizona Senate

Kyrsten Sinema (D) 50%

Martha McSally (R) 43%

Tennessee Senate

Phil Bredesen (D) 50%

Marsha Blackburn (R) 45%

Okay, reporters, I have an almost impossible challenge for you. Find one, just one, Trump administration worker who isn't a sleaze or under investigation.

HAHAHAHAHA

Karma is a bitch, McTutle.

Moscow Mitch will be going down..ironically, he told Trump to NOT nominate Kman. ty r106

Surprising exactly no one:

Paul Manafort got Ben Shapiro to push his pro-Russia propaganda

Manafort's plea agreement contained a reference to the far-right provocateur.

Gen.Flynn to be sentenced this November.

I dont get the Flynn sentencing.....hes pleading to a single count of lying to the FBI, but we know...through public reporting....that he (and his son) was involved in some serious even treasonous shit. So hes gonna walk on all that ?....He better have served up Trump and Co on a silver fucking platter

538 podcast today. They think he won't be confirmed. Will be withdrawn.

This is snowballing.

I'm wondering what kind of bombshell the New York Times is going to publish right before the midterms to hurt the Dems... Something besmirching the Mueller team? Something to anger Bernie types so they boycott the election?

Any advice on how to unblock yourself? I did it mistakenly and now can’t see any of my posts.

R115 Go to Ignore and click the X next to your user heading.

To go to ignore, click on the parallel lines on the upper right hand corner. Scroll past your watched threads.

Thanks, R116/R117. That worked.

Both testify next Monday.

Mueller for President if he saves this country. As an Independent, of course!

Will Trump now allow the FBI to investigate before Monday?

Irony

[quote] Mr Mueller for Time's Person of the Year and People Magazine's sexiest man Alive

Michael Avenatti would get my vote for People's Sexiest Man Alive of this year.

Thanks r122.

And I can't help but notice the unflattering photograpy,

So unfortunate of him to be followed immediately by Mr. Avenatti.

R114, they'll probably do what they did in 2016. Attack a handful of high profile Dems for some stupid bullshit (I predict AOC is #1 on their hit list) and report as fact absolute falsehoods from "senior WH officials" about the Mueller investigation. My guess is the fake scoop will be something about how Flynn's sentencing hearing will expose some high level corruption by the Dems (remember Trump kept harping how Flynn was in the Obama admin even though Obama fired him and warned Trump about him).

The Fainting Coach Chronicles

Couch^

Oops

I can't find a written story yet, just links on Twitter, but Trump just ordered the declassification of parts of Page's FISA warrant, all texts of Comey and the FBI people working the Russia investigation and a bunch of other stuff. Of course they aren't FULL releases, but selective. Adam Schiff says the FBI told him this would be a red line.

Now, we get to see of Rosenstein or Wray will stand up and do anything about this.

I wish Mueller would hurry the fuck up and indict someone in the First Crime Family.

Going after Ohr.

Trump is so simpleminded. There are dozens of operatives that Ohr has trained.

This investigation is derailment proof.

Y'all are such Varmints, I do declare! As a confirmed bachelor, I still enjoy the ladies, and just look at the crew my new boo DJT has surrounding him. Paragons of womanhood, and so lovely!

Love the thread title.

Man, he looked like utter shit today, which is saying something. wtf happened to his hair? It looks like it is trying to escape the scalp.

His hair is cooperating.

r129 Yes, that evil piece of shit is going to ruin the career of yet another person who has spent his professional life going after Russian spies and aggressors. I'm sure it's a total coincidence every FBI career he ruins is that of someone who knows all about Russian organized crime.

Cotton candy orange dye #9 doesn't want to stick to his hair.

We all knew things would get really bad once he was cornered. The Manafort things has him spooked because Paul knows where all the bodies are bured............and then some!

Great Hair Furor comments, ha!

r110 I find it very interesting they've held Flynn back all this time and right after Manafort flips, they're ready to sentence Flynn. I have a feeling Manafort gave them something really, really big about the time period encompassing the transition.

I am sorry, but anyone at the CIA and FBI who gets taken down by Trump deserves it, because they don't take down Trump and leave it all to "due process" or some bullshit. Which shows me that they let Trump and the GOP do whatever they want, so they basically side with Trump and the GOP.

I have to admit I've wondered all this time why the IC doesn't take him out. Not kill him, but they could dump enough into the public sphere even Republicans would have to act. Instead it's been years and he just picks them off one-by-one.

Wonder what the consequences of crossing the red line will be...

New NPR Politics podcast today

Nina Totenberg discuss Anita Hill on today's NPR Politics podcast. Hill was so unjustly treated and we got another sociopath on the court.

Weed + r126 = HAHAHAHAHAHA

C. Thomas was ripe to be picked off. It was clear he was unfit. Who knows who they would have picked in his place. Didn't we get Souter in place of Bork? Talk about the stars aligning!

Betsy Woodruff (Daily Beast?) was just on my Metro coming home. She’s very tall and pretty.

r143 and wicked smart!

r142 Rewatching Anita Hill's testimony. Biden, Hatch, and Grassley were horrific. Hopefully, we have grown as a society. Disgusting history. I'm very angry...just signed up for GOTV. Vote in November. Make your say.

R142 In Reagan era, Anthony Kennedy was nominated and confirmed after Bork was not confirmed.

r146 Still a win

So the Active Measures docu confirms that there are indeed very compromising details about Trump's creepy sexcapades in Moscow.

Trump now releasing selective materials, including Intel 'sources and methods' from the ongoing Mueller investigation?? He's crossed the defined 'red line'. SIC 'em Intel ladies and gents.

This document trail he's releasing sounds a lot more damaging to him.

Trump’s release of this info seems like textbook obstruction to me. Hopefully, Mueller will agree.

This Buzzfeed article reads to me like trump didn't even order what he wanted done correctly. He apparently has given no formal directives to immediately declassify anything. He made a statement which triggered a review. At least that's what I'm understanding from this article tonight. Or possibly he did issue formal directives but Huckabeast doesn't know?

These people are such a clusterfuck of ineptitude.

Will it poison jury pools?

In other words, the president is demanding the release of an enormous amount of internal material, without redaction, about an ongoing investigation into his campaign and his associates.

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The goal appears obvious: Trump is searching for something, anything, new he can use to try to discredit the investigation. The GOP has been making hay of the texts between Strzok and Page all year, and this is an effort to surface similar material Trump can use to attack Mueller.

Trump has singled out Russia investigation-related texts from four former officials and one current official whom he and conservative media have cast as villains in their narrative of a deep state plot against the president.

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But if Trump insists his order be carried out as stated, it will likely be difficult for the Justice Department to stomach, considering how much this would disclose about an extremely sensitive investigation — one that is, again, still active — and how much it would reveal about their sources and methods.

And, again, Trump is essentially demanding a look at the inner workings of an investigation into his own campaign, an investigation that he has routinely attacked and undermined. He’s not releasing these for “transparency.” He’s looking for ammunition.

I don't think he understands what he's doing — what could happen. He wants allies to scrutinize this material, but journalists can also use it to follow leads and find things the Mueller team night have overlooked.

I think he's throwing it out there hoping it sticks to anyone but him.

It's not just Conspiracy and Obstruction of Justice, Abuse of Power was another charge against Nixon back in the day. Evidently it's time to dust that one off too.

All the Golden Oldies are climbing the charts once more...

Incredibly dangerous. It'll backfire.

This shit is getting seriously crazy!

What is the end game here?

Impeachment? Dictatorship? Compromised national security???

WTF is the end result here?

“Dictatorship? Compromised national security???”

Already there, sadly.

National emergency — manufactured. Enabling act. Elections suspended.

You know that federal emergency text test scheduled for Thursday? Well, when you hear it start...

"This is not a test. This is not a test."

...you'll know the end game.

The end game here is impeachment or resignation by Herr Drumpf.

He can dick around and panic all he likes. His end has been written and he is toast.

It seems like if Mueller doesn't hurry up this fucking impeachment or removal is going to take place three years after the country ends.

r148, the Russians, the RUSSIANS called the documentation on Trump DEPRAVED.

When everyone says "impeachment," they mean impeachment/indictment by a simple majority of the House, as well as removal/conviction by 2/3 of the Senate, right?

They don't literally mean just impeachment/indictment by the House, right? Because that alone is kind of nothing.

So in the Senate, 67 senators must vote to remove the president... Otherwise the president is acquitted of the charges underlying the House's impeachment. Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson were acquitted by the Senate after being impeached by the House.

Acting on the House's impeachment, senators vote either to convict or acquit. There's no in-between.

67 is going to be quite a challenge.

Impeachment itself shouldn't be difficult if the Dems win the House. Not sure if it's worth it if they don't have 67 votes to convict in the Senate. Symbolically... Yeah, it may be worth it.

It depends, because once he is impeached the Senate drops everything and moves to the trial.

It is at this time the Mueller could drop ALL of his incriminating information.

It is hard to believe that Trump would not hit the 2/3 threshold with all the information Mueller has been holding back for when Trump is not in office.

But Pence first.

Pelosi knows what she is doing.

I believe Trump wants Mueller, the media, and general public drown in an avalanche of information that takes a lot of time to process and therefore keeping Trump longer in office.

Stormy says it has a dickhead like a toadstool, and it's on a very short stem.

Well I declare, I don't see it that way.

As always Trump's distracts. Outrageous comments, pointing fingers, his whataboutisms, or releasing a flood of information people have to sort through in order to understand and connect with other things.

r169, that will last until the new Congress is seated on January 3rd 2019.

Mueller and the Democrats are playing the long game.

If he is impeached AFTER the Republican Convention, the Republicans are fucked.

2020

It disgusts me to think about Trump’s penis.

"Yeti pubes". Ha! Love it.

I think Mueller, like any good prosecutor with a laundry list of charges, is going to go for the ones that are both the most serious, and that he can easily get a win on.

Damn. Trump has done so much damage to the position of POTUS and the US' reputation.

he is also "iintelligence sharing" with the Russians right now, by doing this. That is one of the pressure points Putin used on him in Helsinki, and yes I'm speculating. But Putin was incensed, or so I've read, at the detailed indictments of his GRU agents. 12 of them. He was also pissed off months ago when all this stuff started unraveling. One of his goals in g etting Trump as POTUS was to have an insider in a position to expose intel networks for him. Trump was doing that when he divulged to his Russian visitors in the Oval, the Israeli intel on something critical and sensitive.

The thing is our Intel people a re probably incensed as are our allies' intel agents around the world . By now, I believe the FBI is in a position to give Trump what they want him to have. I refuse to believe our people are so stupid the would participate in exposing our networks and methods to foreign adversaries, nor would the compromise a very fruitful criminal investigation by someone as esteemed as Mueller. Mueller is no Ken Starr. Mueller is GOD.

And while Trump may discredit the FBI and individual agents, I seriously doubt those agents are tainted in the eyes of the people who count. Trump attacking Ohr is a "tell." it exposes Trump/Putin and Russian organized crime connections more than anything

R171, absolutely. And who's going to come running to digest all that info and amplify his whataboutism — right near the election?

The New York Times.

"Ohhh, FBI disclosures — right before an election! Let's slap in on the front page so we look fair to Middle America!"

Then the hack media follow. Never mind the propaganda media.

Fucking neurotic navel-gazing retards at the Times.

How will Christine Blasey Ford answer the question "How are you certain it was Kavanaugh?" It was brought up in The Daily podcast (nytimes).

She has a doctorate in psychology, which she also teaches (among other things); I think she's thought all this through and can handle the questions. Probably can see right through the primitive mind-games of Grassley, Hatch, and the other gargoyles.

[quote]"How are you certain it was Kavanaugh?"

“Because it was this guy” (points at yearbook picture of Kavanaugh)

Cavanaugh should be asked: "How can you say you weren't at the party when you don't know which party it is?"

Since she is unsure / doesn't remember where the party was.

Kavanaugh has a distracting, blotchy-red complexion. Is he an alcoholic?

R183, the blotchy red facial spots are definitely signs of liver stress. If he has fatty deposits beside or under the eyes, then it's very advanced. Alcoholism is one thing that could cause that.

How is release of these documents regarding an investigation that HE is currently under... potentially undermining it NOT Obstruction of justice... which is what he was originally being investigated for?

I believe it is, r185.

I think so, too, R186, and whether it is legally defined or not, we stand in the midst of public perception....he's guilty as guilty can be by doing this. A 'tell' of the highest order.

Fucking traitor.

I assume Democrats will ask Kavanaugh a lot more questions about his drinking on Monday ... it's germane, given what his accuser says about his inebriated state at the time of the assault and his friend Mike Judge's characterization of "rampant" alcoholism at Georgetown Prep while they attended.

Were you an alcoholic? Do you drink today? How much do you drink? Have you had blackout episodes in the last five, 10, 20 years? etc.

Very embarrassing for Judge K.

^^Is it possible you were so drunk you simply don't remember this incident?

R189 Exactly what needs to be asked.

Someone tweet those questions to Kamala!

Are you drunk now, sir?

I wonder where the other victims are. Certainly this wasn't a one off.

Have him take a breathalizer test live on air!

This could result in a Denzel in “Flight” moment at the hearing.

I agree, R194, he often looks hung over. He also must have been drunk to allow that white power bitch to sit behind him.

I wish this woman were a Gay man.

Me too, R197!

Oh, please! Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. delivered some of his most trenchant decisions while completely wasted! And Warren Burger was a notorious lush, often concealing a second flask under his robes for when the first one gave out during those less edifying perorations.

Tradition!!!

I'm sure they expose "bad things". The "bad things" Trump & Co. were involved with, that is.

Trump will declare that it's the lamestream media spreading Fake News and twisting official documents to suit their treasonous agenda. Projecting, or business, as usual.

@kylegriffin1

NYT reports that it's not clear whether Trump has given his lawyers a full account of some key events in which he has been involved as president or while running the Trump Organization — events that Mueller's team is looking at.

Lol NYT is looking for instances of midterm disinformation. Will Maggie H. then spin it about "both sides"?

"As November’s midterm elections approach, The New York Times is looking for examples of online ads, posts and texts that contain political disinformation or false claims and are being deliberately spread on internet platforms to try to influence local, statewide, and federal elections.

Times journalists are hoping to use your tips to advance our reporting. If you see a suspicious post or text, please take a screenshot and upload it with the form below."

R204, Habernan is likely particularly interested in targeting Democrats. She needs to maintain access to the White House, after all.

I hope Christine Blasey Ford (hereinafter CBF) is carefully and rigorously preparing.

She also needs to contact Kroll, to protect her family and herself.

The result will really show whether things have changed much.

The background investigation of Kavanaugh should have been reopened before any hearings were conducted. This rush is disgusting and the victim is at a distinct disadvantage no matter how well prepared she is.

CBF is almost powerless.

The committee is excluding the other man who was in the room, Mark Judge. He should be there and asked some questions. We know how he'll answer but that's not the point — it's to decide for ourselves if he's telling the truth.

48 days until the election.

The Flynn sentencing is said to be either the last week of November or X business days thereafter. (heard it in passing on msnbc)

More books coming out:

@kylegriffin1: Andrew McCabe will publish a book entitled 'THE THREAT: How the FBI Protects America in the Age of Terror and Trump' on December 4, 2018.

Unfort, both happening after the midterms but MSM can at least talk about them now.

Hope they investigate Nunes. What's he doing playing international man of mystery? He's not an intelligence officer. Unless he is — for someone other than the US.

r210 Have you guys looked up anything about Mark Judge? They cannot allow that guy to testify. I only have space for one link to his writings about sex and sexuality and there are dozens.

[quote]Of course, a man must be able to read a woman’s signals, and it’s a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there’s also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

Even if those passages are just the totally innocent musings of a guy writing an article, they could question him on that shit for hours and it would look terrible. If yes means yes and no means no, Mr. Judge, what is this middle ground you speak of? What clues exactly does a woman give that indicate she really is interested and wants to experience your male passion? Would proving yourself to a woman include holding her down on a bed and putting your hand over her mouth? Would proving yourself include helping a friend hold a girl down? Etc.

Before he deleted his YouTube and other video accounts people got some screenshots. There are dozens of videos and pictures of teenage girls posing for him in bathing suits. One was in a bubble bath and obviously topless. And none of these girls looked older than early 20's, and I mean early. Some looked uncomfortable. One was on a bed on her back in a bikini staring up at the ceiling pretending to be dead.

So that's Brett's best buddy and witness that Brett would never do something like try to rape a young girl who was wearing a bathing suit.

I've also now seen 3 Republican lawmakers saying something to the effect of "If Dr Ford shows up for the hearing". What are they doing behind the scenes to harass this woman?

R214, I'm sure the cult's tech nerds are doing everything they can for their god. Search around 4chan.

It is amazing to me seeing all the people posting on Facebook how this declassification will lead to Obama and Hillary going to prison.

How can they be this delusional?

Hillary Clinton will be on Rachael Maddow tonight to talk about the mid-terms.

Do you know any of them r216?

As I understand it, Sen. Fienstein turned the woman's allegations over to the FBI to investigate. The woman's lawyer said she would not participate in a public hearing (which is a bullshit sideshow for the GOP) until the matter has been investigated. That is how it is supposed to work. Investigation then hearings. But Grassley and McConnell want to twist the rules to their own ends and put on a show trial . She is telling them to follow the rules.

[quote]How can they be this delusional?

People will go to great lengths to cling to a desired belief.

r219 Thank you. I understand better what is going on now.

It's just shocking to me how long it takes to remove an obviously criminal president.

Make that "see the real TRUTH" R220. Y'all sound like a libtard by saying "desired belief." My truth is in Jesus and He chose Brett for the supreme court. He Jesus and he Brett will save all those babys. Everything else is fake news about rape. If anything, she asked for it. I know, I was Miss Roberts County.

Dear Lord in Heaven!

Mueller might have made Manafort's plea pardon-proof

This is when it helps to be marter than your opponent. And Mueller is smart, and the team he surrounds himself with they are smart.

Because of course, R225. He's a professional. I sure as hell wish someone like him was our POTUS, but I'll settle for him taking this one down.

Thread is greyed out. Everyone WW OP to undo the troll mess.

Someone I know is posting a meme about how Anita Hill came out in 1991 at the last minute to try to block Thomas and so doesn't this sound familiar... and how Dumb Dems always try the same tactics.

Funny how sensitive these Rethugs are about the process when they didn't give a shit when McTurtle did what he did.

A "source" who is not at all Ivanka says Ivanka is urging Trump to cut Kavanaugh loose.

It is crystal clear that BK is a sociopath. And not the benign kind. He has some dark, dark energy. All he needs is a T in between his initials.

His rise to be the nominee is suspect. Putin is likely behind this.

Has Ivanka yet confirmed Stormy's description of her father's Mario Kart peen?

And remind me again why Kennedy retired?

Ew, R213, they're letting just *anyone* become a member of the Hoover Institute now, aren't they?

That article at r230 is a mite scary.

The Senatrice has spoken on the Kavanaugh issue: “This has been a drive-by shooting when it comes to Kavanaugh... I’ll listen to the lady, but we’re going to bring this to a close.”

Dr. Ford's attorney Lisa Banks, is on CNN right now with Anderson.

Long story short, she and her client want an FBI investigation before she agrees to testify before congress.

[quote]This has been a drive-by shooting

Mme. la Sénatrice has quite a vivid way with words. I remember, when the Democrats were in the majority, her repeatedly blustering that they'd "poisoned the well" on some issue or other.

Mary!

Banks says that her client will not appear at public hearing without an FBI investigation.

"So my first question for you, Judge Kavanaugh: have you ever "boofed"?"

Such a drama queen.

So what the Senatrice is saying and admitting is that they don't really give a shit. He just gave away their plan: Even if he admits that he tried to rape her... they're going to confirm him anyway.

[quote]It is amazing to me seeing all the people posting on Facebook how this declassification will lead to Obama and Hillary going to prison. How can they be this delusional?

Right-wing media is telling them this. I just heard some yahoo named "Buck Sexton" tell his radio audience that the declassified documents will blow this case wide open and prove once and for all that the FBI and the Obama administration colluded to get fraudulent FISA warrants in order to spy on and take down Trump. "This is bigger than Watergate, bigger than Benghazi, bigger than the Obama IRS scandal!"

The rubes eat it it up.

How fucking delusional can these deplorables be?

Don't answer, I know.

I was listening to Dean Obeidallah earlier and he made an excellent point about Drumpf... that the only time he ever shows compassion is when it's for a man.

Roy Moore... Bill O'Reilly... Kavanaugh... he sides with and feels compassion for men who abuse women. He apparently got choked up and was in near tears when talking about what an awful thing Brett has gone through.

The GOP-Cult of deviant sociopaths. I knew they were bad but conservatives truly have no morals or integrity. 99% of them, anyway.

Disgusting, R237. He's such a sociopath.

Sociopaths need to be removed from positions of power.

R244, why are you exposed to such garbage? Was it on in the office?

Here is the letter Dr. Ford's lawyer sent Grassley.

[quote]why are you exposed to such garbage? Was it on in the office?

I was in my car, scanning through radio stations. What I heard was so bizarre, I couldn't help but listen.

R251, maybe listen to excellent podcasts in the car. Not aural toxic waste.

I suggest "Mueller, She Wrote"!

So basically she's not going to show up, they (the Repugs) will go on with this sham and in the end he will be confirmed.

Fuck it all.

I think we'll find out after this that Feinstein could have requested that the FBI investigate this, however limitedly — that Trump's refusal to get the FBI to investigate wasn't a dead end.

Remember this was all leaked to the Intercept. We may find out Democrats didn't want this out at all for some reason.

Kavanaugh has already lied under oath hasn't he? Isn't that enough to have him Impeached if he gets confirmed?

There is no way the Rethugs will let this seat slip away.

They will ram him through before or after the midterms when McTurtle will pretend there is no such thing as a "lame duck session".

HRC on with Maddow tonight.

Stay away haters.

Miss Lindsay is a bit too enthused over Kavanah. Did Brett, in a drunken stuper, hold Miss Lindsay down, put his hand over her mouth, and try to take her clothes off? She perhaps was dazzled.

*stupor

I love Hillary. Every time she is on TV I will be there.She was selected President.

R261: That is why I can't watch Hillary. All it does is make me angry and sad to see how far my country has fallen with Trump and wistful for what could've been.... Seeing Obama and Bill Clinton makes me sad and very nostalgic too.

I have a friend who has been really suspicious of the whole Ford thing. He said something felt off about it in that he wondered if it would backfire, if she'd back out or if there was some reason the Dems didn't want it out ( setup perhaps?).

R262, shame on you! Stop feeling "sad" and get angry. I'm talking about a resolute, deep, hard, energizing anger. Every time I see her I am inspired. Becoming President was literally a life time goal for her. She saw honor in public service. She wanted to make a contribution. She stood up. They demonized her and pounded on her, and then they robbed her and us. Literally took the Presidency that she won, and stole it. And here she is. Still speaking out, raising money, fighting for people. She speaks with clarity, intelligence and precision. No matter how many times she's been knocked on her ass, and watched her dreams go up in smoke, she has never surrendered. She's a fucking survivor.She inspires me. When I look at what she's been through, and what she has accomplished, she is no cry baby. She pushes back, she keeps moving, keeps serving. No excuses.

Bravo, R264.

Well, I just want to say that no matter what the outcome of the MidTerms, we have to stay strong and keep fighting. We have to decide who we are and what we stand for. We have to be engaged. Keep up with issues and make sure we are involved at every single level. Local elections matter state government matters, too.

[quote]The following account, relayed to ABC News by several sources familiar with the federal probe, reflects how the FBI’s investigation into contacts between Russian operatives and Trump’s campaign team, including Page, was well underway in the summer of 2016 by the time a former British spy handed the FBI a packet of startling and salacious allegations tied to Trump.

Didn't Senatrice say she hoped for more investigations?

Maybe she'll get her wish when they start investigating her boudoir.

[quote]I have a friend who has been really suspicious of the whole Ford thing. He said something felt off about it in that he wondered if it would backfire, if she'd back out or if there was some reason the Dems didn't want it out ( setup perhaps?).

Yeah, your "friend" doesn't seem very well informed or up-to-date about this whole matter. Did you set him straight on the facts, droog?

I don't need to set him straight. I don't blame him for being suspicious after all the fuckery we've seen.

I do agree with one point which was also mentioned above, there may very well be a reason they didn't want to be the ones to bring this out.

The right wing trolls are out in force tonight.

They scared. They like sociopaths like Brett.

Grassley just issued a statement and said there wont be an FBI investigation because we dont need one and the hearing stands for Monday.

R271, block them.

I really wish she'd come forward. If not, the only way possibly they'll delay is if there's a huge protest

That was an actual thing that Democrats were being warned about awhile back, fake accusations being made by the Right (clothed as being on the Left) to be proved to be a lie and then to discredit any other accusations. They tried it with Roy Moore (there were at least two women being paid by the Right to make accusations that were sketchy to the press and didn't check out).

In this case, if she were lying, she'd have to be a psychic to document back in 2012 what he did to her.

Where's our resident, "take it to the streets, let's all riot, troll?"

Trump 'dossier' stuck in New York, didn't trigger Russia investigation, sources say

What the fuck is that supposed to mean, R237?

It means Lindsey and the Republicans do not, never have and will not take Dr. Ford seriously. They have already made up their minds.

Brett doesn't think a sitting President can be indicted.........unless they have a D next to their name.

[quote]Grassley just issued a statement and said there wont be an FBI investigation because we dont need one and the hearing stands for Monday.

Grassley is in the business of stacking the courts and ramming through ultra-conservative judges on SCOTUS.

He isn't in the business of wanting to find out if the Rethug candidate is disqualifiable.

The only remedy is to vote them out of office en masse. The odds aren't so hot on the Senate side but it bears repeating: Vote, and drag your reasonable family members and friends to the voting booth too!

Right r281 Things,though might progressively and drastically worsen for Grassley, McConnell and Co. over the coming days and weeks.

Actually Rudy, Trump and Hannity are so limited, their judgement clouded by ignorance, ideology, ego, arrogance, etc. that they have no idea what the impact of declassifying the FBI FISA documents will expose, but I would safely bet it will not make Trump look good, and it will absolutely prove that he has been lying and rationalizing aspects of the investigation. So, yeah, Donald. Release the documents. I wonder though if he announced he was "de classifying" the documents simply to review them with his cronies so they can come up with a strategy based on what they learn.

No words....

Thank you, R264. Amazing post and I agree.

Stand up everyone; keep fighting!

THANK YOU R264!

exactly, r264.

Unlike a white rethuglican men who just cry about how "mean" and "unfair" everyone is being.

I love her. She is an angry phoenix who just keeps coming back, stronger than before.

Both Gowdy and Nunes are criminals...I hope Mueller is investigating them. All Republicans are obstructing.

Hillary's interview at Rachel Maddow.

Hillary is my Queen. She is my mother, my teacher, my ....lodestar!!!!!!!! If I were in charge of the world she would never want for anything. There would be no Broadway Play , no movie, no restaurant, no hotel, no store, no supermarket, nothing would ever be closed to her. She could go anywhere for free, and be given First Class treatment, and be treated with respect and love and support. And all the bad people would have to bow down, bitches. On their fucking knees, on cut glass.

Thank you Smoove B at r291!

R291, time to go back to bed, gurl.

Convicted perjurer George Papadopoulos is now claiming that he was "set up" through a series of foreign meetings in order to create a pretext for a U.S. probe into alleged Russian collusion.

He made the rounds on Fox yesterday, adding to the network's drumbeat that the Mueller investigation was launched illegally.

I guess he figures there's more opportunity to monetize his story on the deplorable side ... and/or maybe he's angling for a pardon from the Orange One.

Whatever happened to Jason Chaffetz? He snuck out of DC so quietly. I hope the Feds knock on his collusion door.

So Papadopolous was either a criminal or criminally stupid.

Much like his former boss and everybody else in this "administration".

Bravo, R264.

In case there was any doubt as to Trump's mental incapacity, today he said that he should have fired Comey when he won the Republican nomination, before the election.

What is with all these convicted felons, people like Flynn and Papadopolis who have PLED GUILTY going on Fox and making the rounds at rallies? I genuinely don't understand what they're attempting to accomplish.

They’re trying to make money, r299. And trying to claim hero status for the deplorable because everyone else hates them.

They are trying to pander to the (willfully) ignorant, inbred deplorables, who they wish they can move to armed insurrection. They would love a civil war, that would have the endgame of installing Cheetolini/Twitler as totalitarian dictator.

That little Russian whore wife of his who has been feeding him instructions on how to spin all this in favor of Putin/Trump. There is something about her I just don’t trust. She is very polished and seems like George’s handler.

R302 But, but, she's Italian! She's no KGB trained Red Sparrow!!! (Riiiiight. ...)

Observed DJT on TV getting off the plane in North Carolina a short time ago.

This is not a joke. Noticed he has really put on a lot more weight. He was already obese, but now looks considerably heavier on camera. Anyone else notice this, or is it a misperception?

Is he stress eating eating or just more of bad eating habits or both?

“I’m very, very Italian” is what Pappas wife said on The View the other week.

Okay, hon, except, you don’t look or sound Italian in the slightest bit.

R301, you are not far off the mark. I have a friend, an investigative reporter, looking into the illegal, exotic animal trade in the south (it's bad). She called me, while undercover, to report that these people are arming for a civil war. They claim that if Cheeto or his surrogate don't win in 2020, or be allowed to run because of Mueller's investigation, then they will attack in open rebellion.

States where she's been: Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Oklahoma

She's an award winning journalist and not prone to hyperbole.

Kyle Griffin:

Trump says that the FBI is "truly a cancer in our country" to The Hill.

He hopes it will be "one of my crowning achievements" to expose the 'corrupt' practices of the FBI.

Deplorables don’t own this country. Neither do corporate republicans. I swear they all act like the own the place.

They only way they get away with all this is if they are allowed to.

How do those of you with higher socioemotional intelligence work on the millions of Americans who chant "the parties are all the same" after this 20-month shitshow? Do you explain to them like they're five how legal immigrants wouldn't be locked up, separated from their children, how sexual predators and grifting loser trust fund dolts without public service records wouldn't be Cabinet ministers, or do you take a Louisville slugger to their noggins and call it a mercy killing?

r306 those armed deplorables will be taken out before they barely get started and most of them are all talk and far too fat and lazy to actually do anything.

Trust me. The military doesn’t like Trump enough to die for him should he attempt to be a dictator.

r306 I am heartened to know the insurgents' mobility scooters are no match for the mountain ranges I live near. I hope they plan for a summer civil war so the swamp heat and scorching deserts take them out, without blood on our hands.

Also, if a reporter knows about armed insurgents so does the FBI, DEA and CIA and local law.

[quote]He hopes it will be "one of my crowning achievements" to expose the 'corrupt' practices of the FBI.

Two way street bub.

Actually the possibility of sporadic violence if things go against Trump is very real. The Deplorables are not all old people on scooters. They've done an excellent job of recruiting the Joe Six Pack crowd of people under 30. They're guarded, very wary, mean looking and when you encounter them in their natural habitat, altogether scary. It seems like they are looking for a reason to go off. I would guess the flames are fanned regularly, and if you're an under 30 Deplorable, and those are the websites you visit, where you associate with like-minded freaks, you will get caught up in all that crap. These people are nasty. I'm not saying we face insurmountable odds, but I am saying take care and be cautious. Keep your eyes open It's no accident that these Alt Right Supremacist hand signals are popping up all over the place. I have to wonder WTF is up. Make sure you vote. There are way more of us than there are on them, and most of the Tiki Torchers are cowardly anyway.

It's no joke and these aren't old coots like in Congress, R312. They're dangerous men trafficking in the illegal pet trade, guns, and drugs. If they think you're someone they don't want to know, all they have to do is put a rattlesnake in the room with you and lock the door.

It's serious and the fuck in the oval office is to blame.

Deplorables act on rage. Avoid them at all cost and all they will hit, with their bullets, are each other.

There is no law that you have to be around them, there is no law that you have to invite them into your homes. There is no law where you have to offer yourself as their punching ball or target practice. Make sure you only visit places that are private, as in not accessable to them. Be on high alert in public places like when you are at the supermarket. Get in, grab your stuff, pay, and get out.

R313, I agree with you. They're not hiding, but our LE has proven itself unprepared more than a few times for home-grown terror.

I like to think people are basically good, but I'm not naive. I've been following R317's protocol for some time now. I also always pull over for a tailgater, but one last week pulled over behind me and I gunned it the fuck out of there in the opposite direction. I drive a hybrid and this was a big ass truck with double exhausts and he wasn't being nice for over 5 miles before I pulled over to let him pass.

I really think he wanted to do something nasty and I wasn't taking chances. As soon as he started to pull over I ripped around him and saw his damn ugly face with a red cap. I wasn't slowing down to see if it had a MAGA on it.

R317 you are essentially telling people to live in fear. Funny as I’m just watching AHS: Cult. That’s what Evan’s character wanted.

Sorry, no, R319. R317 is correct. You don't have to be fearful to live in this current reality, just aware of the possibilities.

Look. Deplorables are cowardly. They like to be in groups if they're going to start some shit. I'm not fearful, but I don't seek them out. I don't shop or drink or party or hang out in those racist suburban or rural/suburban communities were they reside. What is important is for us all to show solidarity with others. Black, White, Brown, Asian, Gay, Straight, Middle Eastern, etc. So if we all stick together and we support one another, and our social lives, etc are integrated with diverse groups we'll be fine.

Listen. White Supremacists have been around since the Post Civil War days. in the 30's 40's 50's etc. they were running for offices locally and giving our political endorsements. They actually marched on Washington D.C., 30,000 of the in white sheets at one point. Many of them were former military or members of local police department. nothing has changed. Learn your history. Then you won't be scared. Back when the Oklahoma City bombing happened, this was at the height of the "militia" scare. Those people were White Supremacist and anti government bastards. We know domestic terrorists exist. Some of them may even be our neighbors or their kids, or the cops in our local precinct. But you have to push back. As I have said repeatedly: They're cowards.

Interesting article. Hopeful.

I'm cornering the market in tiki torches.

r264 Yes!! TY xx

In eastern N.C., Lowe's ran out of Tiki torches as Florence was approaching. I used them camping and to keep the mosquitoes away at night while hanging out on the patio. Fuck assembling or marching with them down some Maple Street in a little rural town hailing Cadet Bone Spurs. Just saying.....

Go for the head of the snake and Rupert Murdoch. That organization and facility is in New York City, dears. So are the corporate tycoons and international bankers that created and control this mess.

Stop obsessing about Joe Shit and his Silverado pickup. That's who the moguls want you to hate, and them, you.

I don't hate the guy in the truck tailgating me, R326, but that's who is in my neck of the woods. I'll stop worrying about Joe Blow Pickup when you overturn the permanent tax break for corporations.

President Trump once again told survivors of a killer hurricane to “have a good time, ” offering the ill-timed comment on Wednesday, during a tour of storm-ravaged North Carolina.

“Got it? Have a good time,” Trump was caught saying on video as he handed a meal to a man in hard-hit New Bern — prompting an incredulous MSNBC reporter to say off camera: “I think he just said, ‘Have a good time.’”

All I want in the world is for that man to drop dead of natural causes on live television.

Natual causes? I want him being smashed by an ACME anvil falling from the sky. Let his final moment be entertaining for once.

HRC was great on Maddow last night.

I can't imagine how hard it must be for trump to pretend to give a shit about anyone. I'm not being hyperbolic. Meeting the survivors of a disaster must be pure hell for him. The whole time he's gotta be wondering when he can leave and where he can get an ego fix.

There's no XXXXXL "I Don't Really Care, Do U" jacket?

But did they get a roll of paper towels?

It should be fairly easy to out Papadapoulos's wife as a Russian. Can't a fluent Italian speaker just get on air and talk to her in Italian and see what shakes out? Sooner or later she's bound to have her "berbles and bangles" moment.

Here's more of donald consoling hurricane victims.

The headline on CNN just a moment ago had Trump referring to a "cancer in our country." Considering his history of projecting ...

Everyone just keeps making fun of this trump quote, but has no one considered this guy sure seemed to think of himself as the next President as soon as the primaries were over? I thought it was a huge surprise he won and even up until election night nobody on the trump team thought they would win.

Yes he's deeply stupid and ignorant, but why is no one considering he just let something slip here?

[quote]"If I did one mistake with Comey, I should have fired him before I got here. I should have fired him the day I won the primaries," Trump said. "I should have fired him right after the convention, say I don't want that guy...

[quote]The headline on CNN just a moment ago had Trump referring to a "cancer in our country."

He's referring to the FBI. No, really.

Trump knew that he was going to win one way or the other, because that's his way of thinking. Either he will be POTUS or start his version of OWN and spew his bigot hate on his own cable channell hawking his snake oil products to his gullable fans.

R290 I feel like a Broadway gay going to see Liza Minelli do a tribute to her mother , with Patti Lupone receiving a lifetime achievement award.

Can so much Lefty things be allowed :D!? Also that damn linked stop working when I hit refresh damn it xD.

R339, I’ve been saying all along that Trump knew that Putin would fix the numbers for him.

Less than 80K votes.

On June 15th, Data Propria (a.k.a "New Cambridge Analytica") denied any connection to the Trump 2020 campaign. Brad Parscale, Trump's digital campaign manager, also denied it. Let's put that lie to rest. There's a DP sub on Parscale's own domain. They are f'ing working together.

Wait we only have less than 24 hours to figure out the Text alert for tomorrow, right?

So turning off your phone does nothing, right? You'll just get the alert once you turn your phone back on?

Transcript of The Hill's Trump interview reveals he says he called for declassifying the FISA application because he was "asked by so many people that I respect" including "the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanie Pirro."

And no, he didn't read any of the materials.

[quote]I’ve been saying all along that Trump knew that Putin would fix the numbers for him.

Not sure he knew, Putin is the one who pulls all the strings and he won't tell Trump all his strategies and behind the scenes dealings. I think Putin tried and in the end unfortunately succeeded.

A few hyperventilating posters are trying to egg this thread off the deep end.

Because.

He’s such a skunk. Idiot. “Have a good time”

President Trump once again told survivors of a killer hurricane to “have a good time,” offering the ill-timed comment Wednesday, during a tour of storm-ravaged North Carolina.

“Got it? Have a good time,” Trump was caught saying on video as he handed a meal to a man in hard-hit New Bern — prompting an incredulous MSNBC reporter to say off camera: “I think he just said, ‘Have a good time.’”

Last year, the president visited a Houston shelter after Hurricane Harvey and told its devastated residents to “have a good time.”

And during a visit to Puerto Rico, where he was roundly criticized for lobbing paper towels into a crowd at a church as if shooting baskets, the president asked a couple if they felt safe in their concrete home.

When the woman said that only their windows vibrated during that killer storm, Trump told them to “have a good time.”

r348 I wonder why when people start talking about the possible out-right theft of an American election you show up to try to shame them into being quiet.

What a disgusting excuse for a human being. During the few seconds I saw him on TV today I yearned for him to keel over from a massive brain aneurysm.

For people who are concerned about their safety in DeplorableLand, wear a Christian cross when you go out. Not a flashy one, just a small Christian looking one.

When I have to travel lately in Deplorable areas, I wear one and find the Deplorables don’t try to bait me or start fights like they sometimes do. The Deplorables assume I’m one of them, and it doesn’t offend most other people. It seems to help ward off antagonistic comments.

One thing I learned from going on a Deplorable survivalist website is what they call “the gray man.” This is when you have to go into a potentially dangerous situation and don’t want to get caught up in it.

They recommend no military or tactical visible clothing, a black or neutral colored, unobtrusive backpack, and gray brown or black clothes. Leave the t-shirts with slogans or advertisements at home, no expensive looking jewelry or clothes, and cover identifying marks like tattoos or scars if you can. Don’t wear or carry anything that stands out, no bright colors or striking jewelry, not even costume, no bright lipstick, nothing with a slogan or mark on it someone would recall later. Walking shoes only. Avoid direct eye contact and keep moving like you know where you’re going. Don’t display anything expensive at all, shoes, clothes or anything that looks worth stealing. Wear Walmart grade clothes.

I’ve done this in sketchy areas and it seems to work.

The deplorables are all talk and are all cowards. They only act tough when they have firearms or are in large groups. Other than that, they are chicken shits.

I’m not sure what prompted you to post this but it is sadly, good advice and just common sense. Why ask for confrontation or violence against you when some easy actions can thwart an ugly situation.

I’m not willing to get my skull cracked open for the sake of a statement.

I somehow missed this:

Endless ancient threads being bumped tonight...

And what's with all the "Let's Ruin a.... Game." threads?

Distractions?

I'm curious as to who these deplorable fuckwits think they ate going g to attack? Their fellow deplorable neighbors?

Are they going to drive to Lexington, Richmond or Louisville and try to shoot up a university or something?

They want an armed insurrection, let the national guard handle their useless asses. Unless the FBI takes them down first.

As far as that fat idiot showing up in NC, did he even give a shout out to the Marines stationed there? Or doesn't the fool even know where the base is? Maybe they told him not to bother with his bone spurs and all.

Imagining Mass Hysteria. . .and it’s not even a full moon

wonder if they will literally frog march the asshole out of the White House.

R353, where do you go that you're surrounded by then, and why? Scary.

Rachel was great tonight. That stuff about Grassley and Barbara Ledeen was scary.

Can you be more specific for those without cable?

R362, my dad died a few years ago, and he owned property in a very rednecky area of the state. I kept having to go back there over and over because I couldn’t get it sold. Everyone there had a huge truck and tailgated and raced around. I kept getting run off the road by people with monster trucks. A local warned me that the local freeway speed was 80 (posted as 65-70) and if I didn’t drive that fast, I’d get run down. This was way out in the country where it was totally unreasonable. He wasn’t kidding either. I got run off the road pretty much every trip, sometimes multiple times.

There were evangelicals everywhere and you had to constantly watch your mouth because they were very two faced about it and were unfriendly and mean. I got cheated over and over by people that broke every rule and thought nothing of it. Never felt safe there. A black traveling companion was told to get out of a store.

I was really happy to sell it, let me tell you.

R353^^

Barbara Ledeen needs to be subpoenaed.

Is it a good omen that Bob Mueller looks a lot like Judge John Sirica?

R365, I am fixing up a house there now. There was a rodeo doubling the town last week, and some kind of Mike Huckabee rally next week. Besides the rodeo, government checks seem to be financing the main local economy, but they all have those life sized HotWheels trucks, satellites for tv on their houses. The liquor and weed stores are always booming. There is little sense irony here, and they all proudly voted for Trump.

Poor diets, bad bahbits, spotty healthcare,etc.They won't live long R369. Can you please tell us in which state ths hellhole exists? If not the actual county...

Oh yes....talk about the proverbial glass being half full!

I bet if someone could paint Trump a very attractive picture of what his post Presidency "Could" look like he start entertaining a way out. He'd start planning an exit strategy. It's his ego and his mental instability, delusional narcissistic behavior that makes him want to stay. Give him an alternative he can look forward to ad he will go away. I betcha.

Just watched the doc Active Measures. It truly is jaw dropping how far and wide this goes. I say hang them all!

Once the NRA complicity came out, R374, I knew it was deep. I never realized how corrupt the evangelicals are, however. I investigated Pence's background with Hage and it shocked the shit out of me. They are deeply in bed with the new Russian oligarchy which identifies as christian evangelical in their own unique way.

I like the term christo-fascist for these types. Stephen Miller is the prime example and I used to have a brother out-law that was his twin in both looks and attitude.

If you had told me 30 years ago about an effort to put 'xtians' in federal office, I'd have been a bit worried, but not much considering what a REAL xtian, at that time, generally behaved like. Now? It makes me tremble with fear. If there is a god and Jesus is his son, then somewhere in heaven he's crying and getting the legions ready. What a surprise it will be for them when he smotes their asses for their sins.

Kavanaugh is spending his *fourth* day at the White House to prep/murder board for Monday’s Senate Judiciary hearing.

R353, why don’t you just marry a woman?

That will REALLY help you pass as heterosexual.

Keep in mind, instilling fear, and yapping about civil unrest and physical conflicts between groups, is a Ruskie troll tactic on social media.

We're not the ones yapping about civil unrest, R380, THEY ARE - but keep playing the games. It's not trolling to warn people to be careful about the hatred so clearly being promulgated by the right and their supporters.

And, for the record, how would you know about Ruskie methods?

Btw, I've only ever heard old Republicans call the Russians "Ruskies."

Those are our cousins and grand parents and extended families out there. There’s a solution to this but I don’t know what it is.

We are all Americans but we seems to be falling into a trap set by the east.

We are stronger together than divided.

What I find hilarious about the Deplorables is that they think they are smarter than everybody else and that includes China and Russia. You just know they believe that Trump / USA is using and manipulating the China, Russia, and the EU instead of it being the other way around.

R382, Republicans are all damn pinkos now.

Can Mueller drop an indictment today. I find the Kavanaugh talk a bore.

R380 r381 You are a shill. Blabbering shit about war with deplorables suggests you are something other than what you pretend to be. You are quite ill-informed, or reacting to being caught, if you think the term "Ruskie" is used by only elderly Republicans. What is evident, is your profound lack of maturity.

R384, they obviously didn't here the speech by Alibaba's Ma. He's outlined their strategy very clearly and it does not include us. As far as China is concerned, we're lead-footed idiots. They're building windmill farms, solar farms, subsidizing solar power conversion for corporations and private citizens, propping up Brazil's and Central America's economy and infrastructure, making ag' deals left and right that do not include American farmers, and building a trade network with the EU that includes roads and high speed rail.

What incentive is there for US companies with manufacturing they moved over there to come back? Do you think they want to incur shipping costs to the economies they've targeted? Do you think the combined economies of the East and Europe aren't worth it to them? They will never come back, no matter how many permanent tax cuts you dangle in front of them. All China has to do is offer them favored status in that country and deals to offset anything we offer. It's all about that sacred business mantra: location, location, location.

Conversely, China has no interest in moving any manufacturing here, but maybe once these trade wars completely destroy us, we'll be more attractive as a low wage slave country like the Philippines. I doubt it, however, because we'll try to justify a war with them out of sheer spite.

They're making all the right moves while we make NONE.

R382 - r381, responding to r380

R387, R380 and R381 are not the same person, though they are responding to each other.

I'm R381 and I related only what I've experienced re: use of the term Ruskie.

You certainly have a right to your own opinion, but I did not post the very real warning I received from someone else to instill fear. I did it to confirm what has been common knowledge for some time now. You have a right to draw your own conclusions as to my motive, but you are wrong.

My friend is investigating some serious criminal networks in the south and I said so. Rather than be fearful, many mature and thoughtful people on this board have offered good strategies for staying out of trouble and it's worth noting them. Not all of us are fortunate enough to live in areas surrounded by others who we agree with politically. These are charged times, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend the hatred and ugliness isn't there.

R390 Your friend should talk to me. I am in the south in a small town; Georgia, in fact. I am a known Democrat and don't hide being gay. I can argue and disagree over politics with those that want to engage, with civility of course. I enjoy vexing a few casual friends/acquaintances who voted for Trump and may still do in a less enthusiastic manner. I stay away from nut-cases and druggies. Such is all over the country and in every town.

Criminal networks? I don't see armed militias being formed near here and Democrats under attack. Near half the populace are African-American.

And a lot of those known militias have originated in places such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Idaho, Montana, Missouri, and Arizona; Georgia and the Carolinas not so much. The Charlottesville visitor that murdered the woman by vehicle was from Ohio.

The culprits to focus on are the politicians and the lobbyist and their financiers. The challenge is to vote and urging others of similar mind to do so as well.

I don't think Mueller is going to issue any more indictments until after midterms.

r370, it is rural Oregon. My partner grew up here (we are helping his mom sell her home, he's taking care of her), and it is no place for gay men of any age.

Good post R392

Lots of reasonable people in what at first seems like deep red VA as well.

R392, in my original post I made sure to talk about who was making these threats. You wouldn't see the black market people trading in guns and exotic pets because they don't want you to see it.

I'm sure your experience is true because I've had the same types of experiences.

The post was meant as a public warning to be careful because emotions are heightened and these are people with little self control. Again, my friend is incredibly sensible and I wouldn't have posted something so incendiary if I thought people would panic or perceive it as a generalized portrayal of ALL Trump supporters. It's not.

Don't be afraid, but aware. I wasn't going to stop the car and ask the guy in the pickup truck to discuss his issues with me or why he was tailgating. I took no chances when he tried to pull over behind me. That's what I'm talking about.

Sending my friend to you would do no good. She's not investigating good people.

and I might add that she's not investigating connections Trump, either. This came up as an aside to what she was doing and she felt alarmed enough to tell me because she knows where I live.

I'm done responding about this. I didn't mean to make people distrust their neighbors, but to be aware if you're in areas that have heavy Trump support.

My apologies to anyone who felt threatened or upset...it was not my intent.

You did just fine r397

No, he didn't. He's a fucking shit-stirrer.

A troll just like you.

BTW, the shit-stirrer is using multiple devices/IPs for SOME reason...

I heard from a friend a deplorable he knows is now saying he thinks Trump is really a mole to take down the REPUGS and that is why he hasn't stopped the Mueller probe. He said he has read some reports about the Russian money connection to the Repugs and he is convinced patriot Dump is secretly working for the good of the country to finally, really drain the swamp by taking down the Repug crime syndicate.

They will never accept he is President Tre45on now and forever.

Well, your friend is right about one thing, R401: to judge from election results since No.v 2016 Trump is going a long way towards taking down the Republicans.

I enjoyed your posts R397, and I enjoyed the discussion that came from it, as I live in a rural, red area as well. It's nice to see other people in those areas post so we can get a sense of what everyone is dealing with and find support in each other since we're surrounded by Deplorables in real life.

Now, R400, my cookies cleared today because my security system does that every two weeks. But I've been here since thread 1. You only have four posts in your history, and three of them are on this thread calling people trolls. Tell us about yourself since you enjoy harassing others so much.....are you a troll? Do you post under multiple devices? Why do you try to run people off these threads? Are you a Russian shill or just a controlling cunt? Are you the same person who has been harassing people since thread 1 trying to intimidate them into being quiet or leaving? Why do you have more of a right to post here than anyone else? In short....who fucking died and made you king of these threads? Go fuck yourself. And everyone else- keep posting.

R393, I wondered if you were in Eastern Oregon - specifically Pendleton. It's hard to believe Pendleton and Portland are in the same state!

"Remember Bill Shine? Infamous for covering up the sexual harassment scandals (Roger Ailes and Bill O’Reilly) at Fox News for which he was ousted. He is the current White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications in the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump. He is also the person who is currently grooming Brett Kavanaugh for next week’s Senate Judiciary Committee testimony. Fascinating."

Pod Save America's latest episode has discouraging poll news. Includes signals that Latinos might not turn out, that they're more skeptical of Democrats that some of us thought.

On CNN or MSNBC they said the declassification Is similar to the DNC email dump. Makes sense. The media are analyzing the docs and will soon have endless stories about their contents.

R406 is clearly a concern troll. Can't tell about R407, but the laconic "makes sense" along with vacuous speculation would seem to be a hallmark of the type.

The CNN thread on Brett is chock full of Russian trolls. They are being a lot less obvious on this thread.

R408, I'm not a concern troll. I just listened to the podcast and was worried so I shared it here so others here will listen to itand give reasons why it's not a huge concern.

Fantastic news, R410! I just saw Rachel cover this on her show.

At this point the Christian right is about as mean as they can get. Pure evil.

R405 "Remember Bill Shine? "

See Related Thread

R406 If Latinos don’t turn out, the Democrats should drop sanctuary cities and dreamers from its platform.

Someone needs to start a thread about air.

Just put the word air in a thread.

R416 is seriously an RT.

Never mind I did it.

Juicy @r410

[quote] R33: Has anybody watched [italic] “Active Measures” [/italic] yet?

Yes, i just did. It’s a very, very fast paced summary of what MSNBC has been broadcasting over these many months. Perhaps a bit more specific and accusatory.

I ended with the impression that Trump was only an unwitting stooge. (Of course, the American people are worse stooges). But, I suppose Trump is in on it too, right? Given that he must be a partner in crime, being essentially blackmailed by the peepee tape. What a clusterfuck!

Mueller, Justice delayed is Justice denied! Please get on this, already! I mean, Trump !

Mueller the snail lol.

I read the tortoise and the hare, but this is ridiculous.

Look. Ever since at least 2004, we have been watching the phenomenon of the Latino Evangelicals gradually shifting their support to the GOP. They remind me, as an old grey ass, of the phenomenon of the Black Republicans going back to Nixon and even through Reagan. So for anyone to express surprise at Trump's Latino support, don't be. That support is soft. It will degrade over time. Unlike the crazy uneducated white women, and men who will die with Trump's dick in their mouths.

Already had R416 blocked

Not to go on a tangent, but.......

R396 Just a comment or two on one facet you referenced. The transport and sell of exotic pets is a crimial industry and is getting worse.

Note Trump by executive order relaxed restrictions of the import of ivory, skins/furs, animal heads and bodies for taxidermy and mounting, etc. That promotes the market.

State laws vary in the animal trafficing domain. South Carolina is notoriouly laxed about this. For example, Pentacoastal/apostologic churches that practice snake-handing, buy their poisonous snakes (rattlers, etc.) in SC. They are sold to buyers in Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, and a few other places that have these super-fundamentalists. Tennessee had banned the sale and transport of poisonous reptiles. Still a problem.

Dog fighting and cock (talking about roosters DL) fighting is major, and law enforcement is slack in getting much of this busted. In some AA and Latino communities, staged animal fighting is rampant.

Weak state laws and poor enforcement, along with deficient federal regulations and monitoring has allowed the abuse.

Exotic animals being sold at flea markets and other venues in Florida use to be not so hidden.

Good to know some people are investigating.

^criminal (spelling)

R426, that's for that. It's a nightmare indeed. It's awful and undercover investigators are very brave.

Mixed bag this week for Dems.

Trump's former lawyer Dowd tried to raise funds to send to Manafort and Gates.

[quote]One person familiar with the conversations said Mr. Dowd believed such a fund would help prevent Messrs. Manafort and Gates—formerly the chairman and deputy chairman, respectively, of Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign—from pleading guilty and potentially cooperating against the president.

R430, smart guy. Now he's going to be investigated.

John Dowd is one of the ugliest men I’ve ever encountered. He looks like he belongs in a Dickens adaptation playing a villain.

Why thank you r432. Thank you so much!

Lordy, r430! He looks like that Twilight Zone episode. The one where they take the ugly masks off after midnight and their faces......

Why was the name of the fat Trump lawyer who looks like a cross between Alfred Hitchcock and a Halloween mask redacted in my post?

Dowd looks like a Vogon.

NYTimes: Rod Rosenstein suggested last year that he secretly record Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office for being unfit.

Oh, the Times is doing its job, undermining an election leaning Dem!

Motherfuckers.

Yes, this plays right into Trump's attempt to discredit the FBI ... and he may feel it gives him cover to fire Rosenstein. Not good.

God, FUCK THE NEW YORK TIMES!

Its their top news with a red "breaking news" label on it.

Quislings at the Times.

Dickheads at the Times are going to push us to dictatorship by giving Trump the shit he needs to tear everything down and install his lackeys.

MSNBC has picked up the story. Rosenstein's totally fired.

Rosenstein's fired... Trump gets to pressure the next Deputy Director to end the Mueller investigation.

Good going, NY Times.

This is absolutely huge. They just gave Trump just what he needed to dismiss Rosenstein.

Super smug cowriter of the article on MSNBC being interviewed.

Rosenstein response: “...story is inaccurate and factually incorrect... anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department...Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment.”

OMG on MSNBC the cowriter of the article (Adam Goldman I think) is like "I don't know how the president is going to react to this but I know he's wanted to get rid of Sessions and Rosenstein for a while, etc."

So fucked. He knows how dangerous this story is, but publishes it anyways. I get a free press is important but ... this is horrible.

So Rosenstein throws out an idea during a FBI brainstorm meeting and it blows up like this. WTF.

Sorry, it was Michael Schmidt on MSNBC just now.

Whether Rosenstein was being sarcastic doesn't matter: the story on its surface gives Trump pretext to fire Rosenstein.

Shit, most of his cabinet has reportedly been discussing the the 25th amendment. There was an editorial in Times about it. Why shouldn't Cheetolini fire those guys too?

R451, because his big concern right now is the Mueller investigation. He bitches about Sessions but Rosenstein decides whether the investigation continues. He wants to fire Rosenstein, and this is exactly what he needed.

Right near the midterms.

It’s all over, folks. I feel so deflated. The investigation is done.

I'm trying to look on the bright side -- maybe firing Rosenstein now and severely handicapping, if not ending, the Mueller investigation will drive more Democrats to the polls in November?

Fucking shit.

All of you get a hold of yourselves!!!! Did you think this was going to be easy?!?!? Snap out of it! I’m fucking serious, just knock it off. Trump is going to be stopped one way or another. Do you think bad ass mother fucker Mueller fell off the turnip truck last night? He is literally 25 steps ahead of Trump and the Crooked GOP. Just put your head down and Keep. Fighting. Mueller has so many tentacles throughout Justice, at this point, there is no escape. Focus on the upcoming election and Kavanaugh. That’s it. Mueller is a big boy, so is Rosenstein.

to the polls? How about the streets? I'm on a call list for the protest if he tries, R454

We already know, thanks to the secretly taped Nunes speech, that the plan all along has been to replace Sessions and shut down Mueller -- only it was thought that doing so prior to the mid-terms would jeopardize Kavanaugh's confirmation. Clearly Mueller always assumed that Trump would directly try to get rid of him, that's why he's been spinning off parts of the investigation to various other offices. If Trump fires Rosenstein now, presumably what even big dummy Nunes predicted will come to pass: there will be so much chaos that nothing will happen prior to the mid-terms, and even more people repelled by Trump, and the disasters he causes, will go out and vote against him and his party.

I can see what Fox News is saying now without actually watching it - YouTube TV lets you scroll over the names of available channels to see what they're broadcasting at that moment. It's all about Rosenstein. It'll be all about Rosenstein for the rest of the month etc.

Thank you, r456.....

R456, I'm going to stop panicking but I'm still concerned but you have a point. Enough worry for now.

From the NYTimes article:

"Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations."

I'm guessing all of a sudden Trump finds anomynous sources reliable.

And the concern trolls come out...

R463, are you a troll? You're prompting me to react to you to note that this isn't a minor story and indeed could be the pretext the bastard needs to fire Rosenstein. It warrants concern if one cares about the investigation.

It's all over. It's FUCKING over. And by that I don't just mean the investigation. 9/21/2018 - the true end of the U.S. Black Friday indeed.

Rosenstein is denying that the NYT article is true; now he just has to get Dump Truck to believe him and all could still be ok.

Relax folks...

Drumpf can't fire Rosenstein directly, right? Sessions has to do it.

And Rosenstein denies saying it so unless people come forward they have no proof (not that it would stop any of the Rethugs from agreeing with the firing anyway). The story he said that sounds way too convenient. Sounds like something Drumpf would make up.

R465, that's going a bit far... things are still unfolding. Concern makes sense, but declaring the end of democracy ... I don't think that's reasonable yet.

So many people screaming "It's over!!!" have no other history in these threads.

Please keep that in mind.

Let's be honest... Rosenstein's denial isn't a precisely a denial that he actually said that. The question is whether he meant it sarcastically.

At least that's what was being said on MSNBC.

The Senate really is in play, and is shifting toward Democrats

Andrew McCabe put out a weird statement that he'd written memos at the time this stuff happened, but those memos are still with the FBI and he has no idea how the media would have gotten them. And Schmidt has no direct sources if you notice, just people somehow briefed on the events. This was definitely a set-up. I wish other reporters would stop treating Schmidt like he's an actual reporter. He does nothing but carry water for Trump and print whatever bullshit they tell him to.

The concern trolls have come out to play play play on this thread thread thread...

R473 - blocked. Sick of the "concern trolls are out" bitches calling out supposed concern troll. Who gives a shit. What does a concern troll achieve but get people more engaged in shit by bumping the thread? Fuck off.

Tough love, R456, and thanks. Moveon.org has organized nationwide protests and calling lists if anyone is interested.

He's stupid enough to do it.

Let's all block each other.

[quote]He's stupid enough to do it.

Laura Ingraham just tweeted to urge Trump to fire Rosenstein today.

There's alot of twitter talk about how this was planted with Haberman and Schmidt, Trump's favorite reporters by someone like Bill Shine. Make no mistake about it, this story is fake news and is being planted to give Cheetolini justification for getting rid of Rosentstein

It's NOT OVER until WE say IT'S OVER

And that won't be until November.

ABC and Ken Dilanian both now have sources who were actually IN that meeting and they say Rosenstein did say let's wear a wire or something and it was said sarcastically.

This shit probably comes from some of the info Trump ordered to be declassified and it has Meadows and Jordan written all over it.

So? It's in the fourth quarter of the Mueller investigation and only a matter of time before he comes out with the report. Mueller isn't Rosenstein and it's too late.

Sorry for the concern trolls, really. They need to be concerned for their jobs now.

A fucking MEN R479.

I see now why the cult members decide to unsubscribe to publications they get angered by. I'm inclined to cancel my Times subscription... This time, however, it's because they threaten our democracy. No different from Assange when it comes to this article.

I love the optimists here. I'm a pessimist and need that kind of demonstrated confidence/certainty that things are great/hope.

They are sooo afraid. They're grasping at heresay now. What a bunch of desperate deplorable fools. It's too far gone! Mueller has had the Russian connection since January, if not before....he has Cohen singing...Manafort's association with Russia

Too late trolls, too late

On MSNBC one of the two journalists being interviewed now said it could be McCabe, because he's facing criminal prosecution and this story shows .... something ... I don't understand.

McCabe has an attractive family and stuff but this isn't ok - especially if it's BS.

This is a deliberate attempt to sabotage the Mueller investigation by getting Trump to order Sessions to fire Rosenstein, and then have Rosenstein's replacement fire or put the brakes on Mueller.

If this happens, the constitutional crisis we've all been dreading isn't coming any more; it's here.

Remember October 1973?

Zzzzzzzzzz

Doesn't Trump have to fire Sessions first and then he can fire Rosenstein?

R487 I believe Sessions is the only one who can fire Rosenstein

“Oh I see, when it’s one of MY fiendish plans, you two can’t foil it fast enough!”

“But when it’s one of Cecil's, “it’s over, its over, we’re DOOMED!!!””

R489, is that from a movie?

Dear god I hope so r490.

So, MSM got the story from John Barron? Or was it John Miller or David Dennison?

That's correct, R487. Sessions refused once already. I don't care if he does fire him. Mueller is just about done and will report any day now.

What gives me joy is something else, too. No matter what happens to the fuck in the next two years, his family business, Ivanka's business, Kushner's business, are all tanking all over the world under the weight of multiple lawsuits and just poor patronage.

I think what is more interesting is all the coinciding talks that Drumpf is mentally unfit to be president. That my concern trolling. The leader of our country is insane and everyone fucking knows it! Shit, lets stay focused!

"Senior Trump appointee thinks Trump is unfit for office."

I think Trump can directly fire Rosenstein, he won't need Sessions for it.

As other actual reporters work the story it's becoming clear Rosenstein was being sarcastic.

That's how I see it, R494. Anonymous and this guy joking in a closed meeting. Tillerson said it, Kelly said it..how many more do we need to hear? It's not like we didn't know it, listening to the fool ourselves, but this is beyond and someone needs to step up and finally do it.

They really want him to fire him and believe this will bring about Mueller's demise? How silly can they be? It won't happen as quickly as they'd like and besides, Mueller's report is just about done, there are sealed indictments already written and ready to go, and we've all seen the masterful moves he's been making by handing criminal proceedings off to multiple jurisdictions.

I really want to see them be this stupid.

R496 if that were the case he most likely would have already done it.

Nobody will tell the emperor he's wearing no clothes.

Except...

How do we know Mueller's report is almost done? I hope to fuck he takes out a good chunk of Congress too.

I really hope this brings about some effective changes. Campaign finance reform, restricting lobbying, preventing congress from insider trading.

In addition, there is a shit ton of criminal behavior that would have flown under the radar if trump had not have won. We need to crack down on white collar crime.

Maybe Mueller should release another indictment this afternoon. Roger Stone would be a good one since it’s practically a forehone conclusion.

R500

If you want to see my posts so badly, UNBLOCK ME.

The NY Times is garbage and nobody can tell me that Maggie Haberman and her sidekick Schmidt aren't all in for Trump. She is a cunt and Schmidt is a doofus. I'm cancelling my subscription and I encourage others to do same. Why in the fuck did they publish this knowing what kind of ammunition it gives Trump and his idiot stooges: Meadows, Nunes and Jordan. I have a gut feeling this came from the WH or Nunes and planted with cooperation of the NYT to get Rosenstein and after him, get rid of Mueller. Fight back!!

I also do NOT believe that Rosenstein is the type to say something like this seriously. Sarcastic, yes.

Rosentein and others are pushing back hard on this. It truly seems like he made a comment in jest during a disagreement with McCabe, McCabe recorded things without saying it was sarcastic and here we are. Somebody saw that memo and ran to Schmidt to get him to print the story with the slant they wanted on it.

Gabriel Sherman reported this morning, before this broke, that Bill Shine was rolling out a new plan to build public support for Trump to fire Rosenstein.

So I guess Trump has forgiven the NYT for printing that "treasonous" op-ed? What a farce.

Didn't trump recently tweet that the failing media will get behind him or go out of business?

Mueller is moving too slow. It gives Trump and cohorts more time to undermine the investigation, including growing attacks on Sessions and Rosenstein. Indict Junior, Jared, Stone, etc., like yesterday.

R507 I hope the NYT does go out of business.

Mueller is moving at exactly the speed he needs to.

I get the frustration but some of you are acting like you know better than a man who holds all the cards.

So no the Grey Lady has become the 25-cent Grey Whore.

Doesn't matter now if Rosenstein was being sarcastic, any more than it mattered that Peter Strzok's tweets were probably being misinterpreted. This plays perfectly into Trump's narrative about exposing the corruption of the FBI being a "crowning achievement" - so perfectly that the timing of the sources' reaching out to the media makes it obvious that this was a planted narrative. R505's note about Shine's plan proves it.

Yes, Rosenstein is pushing back hard, but he's toast now.

R510, Mueller may hold a lot of the cards, but it's naive to believe he has ALL of them.

Trump can fire Rosenstein for any reason he sees fit. To make it look legit he just needs one he can use to not have congress turn on him.

The impeachment efforts didn't obviously attract enough of republican senators to undo Rosenstein.

NYT was very rough on HRC, and soft on Trump's disturbing actions and history. The Times have several prominent pro-Trump reporters and editors.

Maureen Down has been hostile to the Clintons, particularly Hillary, for years.

Mueller is not moving slow. He is investigating criminal activity and collecting evidence to use in criminal cases.

He has pieced out the investigation so that even if they fired him, they could not shut it all down.

Comey was asked the question what happens if mueller is fired, by Terry gross, way back in the spring. He said something like, the file goes in the drawer, and someone else will pick it up.

Also, Cohen has been interviewed in NY. NY is going after the Trump corporation. They will RICO his ass.

We are in a war and will lose battles. We will win against these Nazis.

This administration has been an even bigger shitfest than I thought it would be, and I cried when trump won.

It's Dowd, R513. And yes, she is the official NYT Clinton Derangement Syndrome Representative.

[quote]She is a cunt and Schmidt is a doofus.

While I'm all for calling out these pieces of shit, you should work on your insult parity to get rid of the sexist stink.

It's obvious that some members of the 'legitimate press' are compromised and are doing Putin's work.

Bribery is just one of the many tools he uses to get what he wants.

"Trump can fire Rosenstein for any reason he sees fit. To make it look legit he just needs one he can use to not have congress turn on him."

Again, Trump CANNOT fire Rosenstein. Only Sessions can do that, and this report provides the AG the perfect rationale to do so, with the GOP-controlled Congress in full support. Plus it will buy the Keebler Elf some time.

"Comey was asked the question what happens if mueller is fired, by Terry gross, way back in the spring. He said something like, the file goes in the drawer, and someone else will pick it up."

Comey didn't say when it would be picked up, though. I don't know that someone in the FBI is going to just go rogue and carry it forward without instructions from the top, and if Rosenstein and Mueller are gone, who would that top person be?

[quote]Mueller may hold a lot of the cards, but it's naive to believe he has ALL of them.

Drumpf's meltdowns say otherwise.

Not true R519.

R516 yes. Appreciate you noticing. I typed Dowd and auto-spelling changed it and I did not catch it the second time.

I saw this just now. Could this be why they're panicking?

I know she's a Dem, but she's a big influence on Collins. They're leaning hard on ol' Susan up in Maine. The ladies are pissed at the little fuck calling birth control 'abortion inducting medication.' The mistaken identity crap with Kavanaugh is a ridiculous reach.

Desperation.

Why would they panic about that R524? They still have enough R votes to pass him.

*inducing*

She's a red state dem, R526 and facing a tough election. She's been on the fence.

Don't worry dad, I got Susan Collins covered.

- Ivanka

This is not fucking "Over." The NYT article is a lie, a plant. It is right in line with the Anonymous bullshit. If you don't believe the Russians and Trump himself had a hand in this, hell Rudy probably personally called the NYT and alerted them. They are fucking igs. Boycott the times, stand with Rosenstein. Trump is a fucking animal and I swear to God if he thinks this kind of amateur shit is going to benefit him I have a bridge to sell him. The FBi and the Intel community are righteously pissed off and this is not going to end well. Rudy and whoever started circulating these rumors is toast. Do they think Rosenstein will not fight back? Do they think mcCabe and Ohr don't have relationships and resources. Just wait. The other shoe is going to drop and either the NYT issues a huge apology, or it goes down in flames completely discredited.

Beto-Cruz debate on C-Span 1 @ 7pm EST, tonight.

I have a feeling this story is far from over. Lets all take a deep breath. As far as Maureen Dowd she is an equal opportunity malcontent. She hates everyone.

R514 is correct and this is war. I can't imagine Rosenstein is too worried about being fired by this administration and would more than likely welcome it. His part is pretty much over and he did the right thing when he appointed the IC he did.

It's not over, either, until we get out there. A firing will further mobilize people and the Kavanaugh nomination and debacle has already alarmed a lot of otherwise complacent young women who understand what his 'abortion inducing medication' schtick really means.

Hang on to the gunnels and batten down the hatches. No whining on the deck and grab your cudgels. The storm is just starting to get rough.

These leaks have the stink of Nunes and Jordan all over them. They tried to impeach Rosenstein once and now they are really at war. I smell Steve Bannon on this as well but maybe not. But Rudy is sure involved. I am sick of this shit! "Twilight of Democracy" as Kim Whelan said on Ari Melber. Thanks a lot NY Times piece of garbage.

Where is Cunty Mother ?

This NYT piece just sounds like tabloid gossip. What's the news value in it? If the story is based on a single remark made sarcastically, by way of actually rejecting a plan to use the 25th amendment, why is this significant in the greater scheme of things?

We all knew it was going to get worse before it got better. There will be white knuckles all over the place. Have faith until it is over either way.

Repeating my desire for the next thread to be titled Treasonheit 11/9.

R520, Comey wasn't saying FBI agents would go rogue. He was saying agents are loyal to the constitution. They are not loyal to a compromised executive branch. He was saying that you can fire Mueller but you can't really kill the investigation. He was circumspect. Have a listen to the interview.

[quote]He was circumspect.

And still feels mildly nauseous about it.

45 days to the election

Just called to cancel NY Times subscription and the first they asked me when I said I was calling to cancel was "Is this about the Rosenstein article" and I said absolutely. The call center is jammed with calls cancelling. Poorly written and sourced - the NY Times may as well be Pravda. This is as bad as the anonymous resistance article-which I'm sure now was also a plant.

Some former attorney just said that Rosenstein couldn't have been serious about prospective interviewees wearing a wire and the other stuff with 25th Amendment because it is all just preposterous. Preposterous is Devin Nunes middle name.

Ok, I’m panicking now. Will Trump really fire Rosenstein? Sessions? Mueller? How quickly can he do it? Will the Congress allow it? Does Mueller have a counter strategy ready? Somebody please assure me that Trump can’t just get away with shutting down the investigation.

R540 I'm glad you told them the reason you were cancelling. I know from experience that that is the only way to get businesses to change. It's the only thing that is effective.

R541, no history in these threads?

Yeah, but I don’t really see the answers to what I am asking.

Here's Slates take on a Rosenstein firing.

Seems like Sessions, Rosenstein and the possible new guy had a sit down in March.

Rachel is in the middle of debunking this. Definitely the Times fucked this up. Per Rachel "The Times gave this headline to Trump giving him a reason to fire Rosenstein." NBC and Wapo had a source in the room at the meeting and says it was a joke

R543 Don't you worry. Trump is not going to get away with shit by the time everything that criminal low life has done.

No History = Vlad Concern Troll!!!!

Just canceled my subscription to the NYT as well.

Did they ask you why you were cancelling, R548?

I'm with R533 . I put Nunes, Jordan, Hannity & Rudy on this. it was a little more polished than Nunes usual schemes so that tells me Bill Schine the WH Communications director was on it too. But it's an obvious plant and these reporters are either under tremendous pressure from their editors to grind out the news every damned day and if there's no new developments invent some. A lot of people on MSNBC are saying this was a Shine operation to change the subject after Trump's disasterouos attacks on Dr. Ford and the whole Kavanaugh debacle.

[quote] A lot of people on MSNBC are saying this was a Shine operation to change the subject after Trump's disasterouos attacks on Dr. Ford and the whole Kavanaugh debacle.

I totally believe that.

I missed Trump’s attacks on Ford - wha’hap’n??

Drumpf: If it really happened and it was serious she would have reported it. Good parents would have reported it. Brett is a good man. The best man. Ford is a liar.

Drumpf: Show me the receipts.

I think we are going to win this Kavanaugh thing, and then Trump is going to lose his shit, and it will be kind of fun.

From your lips, R555.

It will be glorious, R555!

I wonder how many people canceled their NYT subscriptions today?

[quote] I wonder how many people canceled their NYT subscriptions today?

enough for the paper to change its name to the Rhode Island Times (ba dum bump)

I'd read weeks earlier that cancellations spiked after the Javanka puff piece cover story on a NYT Sunday Edition.

I cancelled my subscription to the NYT online edition about a month ago because I never had time to read much of it. I wished I waited so I could have cancelled it today over the Rosenstein article. It appears to be a prod to trump to fire him. Makes me sick. Just the fact that trump is in bed with faux news hacks is sickening. I've always despised hannity. This country is being run by criminals and creeps.

(549) yes, I canceled online via the app, and put "other" as the reason. The next window that popped up said something like, would you like to tell us why? And I just put: Rosenstein. With the period as emphasis. It felt good. I subscribed the day after the election, wanting to support the fourth estate. But yesterday's article felt wrong. It could have been written or floated in another way, but it was a complete take down. It felt giddy and almost malicious. Just no.

there's still the wapo or the Guardian, r561.

Or even mother Jones if you're so inclined.

I'm waiting for someone to cancel online tomorrow via an app and a pop-up decision window to come up: "This is about that Rosenstein piece that ran on Friday, isn't it?"

"Yes, I'm cancelling because of the Rosenstein piece. Oh and because I hate Maggie."

A friend of mine just told me they called to cancel and the Customer Service Rep offered to give them a year free if they would reconsider. She told them no thanks - Cancel immediately.

[quote]Drumpf: Show me the receipts.

Cuz of course you get a receipt when you pay off women you've assaulted. Good ol' Brett did pay her off, right? I can loan him some money if that will help!

Funny that Dotard insists that if she had loving, caring parents they would have reported it IF the incident really happened.

We all know what Dotard thinks a loving, caring, father does with his little girl, right?

When all is said and done and Drumpf is hauled away and the family left to wear their scarlet letters... I can actually see Ivanka playing that card R567. A total victim of her father's abuse!

(562) Still subscribe to WaPo. I do, on a whole, really respect and admire journalists. I mean almost worship. Personally, I'm now finding that podcasts are giving me a much clearer understanding of the facts, and that is grounding me. I thanked the poster for Mueller, She Wrote a few days back, and I have become a patron (I can't wait to get the 2019 Sexy Justice calendar and I hope that Rosenstein is Mr. January). Plus Preet Bahara's podcast, then of course Rachel and Lawrence.

I so hope that Trump, Kavanaugh and McConnell would lose but they won't.

I'm not certain the people over at the New York Times can be called journalists.

Where has Kushner been?

I still think Jared will sell them all out including Ivanka so he can save his own ass.

Donnie Deutsch lost his looks.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

Trump's long-standing attacks on the NYT was a cover for a deeper collusion and the earlier deflections.

Searching for virtue from Dowd, Haberman, Schmidt, etc,, is looking in the wrong places.

How did Donny Deutsch become a pundit?

Who is going?

The picture in the OP makes me furious.

R579 will Avenatti take his shirt off? If so I'll go!

Link to new thread.

R577 yup pretty much.

Anyone find it interesting that Dotard never goes after Maddow? You would think he would.

I hope that indictments start flying and theyll include Kushner, Ivanka, Junior Mint, The one that eats babies, Ryan, McConnell, Graham, Nunes, Chaffetz...

Who am I missing?

I've thought about it R585. My best guess is that it's because she's on MSNBC and you know... they have his tapes.

From your lips, R586.

You're missing Hillary, R586.

Lock her up!

Thank you for the new thread!

And Im sure what Murkowski is actually saying is what the rest of them are saying :

"I'm going to pretend that I haven't made up my mind and will nap with my eyes opened while she testifies and then I will say that Brett was believable and cast my vote for him."

She sounds full of it.

Link to new thread for when this maxes out.

Closing

this

thread

out

huh

Link to new thread below:

Huge mushroom head

Link to new thread.