When did the world start falling out of love with America?

Yes, Vietnam War, Reagan, then GWB Iraq War

When Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

Nam.

When Murder She Wrote was canceled. The world never forgave us for that one.

I think the internet just made us aware of a lot of people we normally wouldn’t hear from. They probably always hated the US government but we never felt the weight of it before.

Anyone who claims to hate an entire country full of people is just bigoted - plenty of great people in the USA, just as there are in every country. But hating a government is legitimate

I would say America lost huge prestige with Reagan the moron, but George W. Bush was devastating. USA has been killed off by Trump, but just doesn't realize it yet.

America was great pre-911.

I think Latin America has hated us for a long time, since the 19th century. We just don't know about it since we Americans don't tend to know much about anything outside or own country, or even our own cities.

I should add Vietnam was when America became the baddies. But within the hemisphere before it stepped into a global role, r8 is spot in.

I'm a Canadian and the world started to resent the Americans years ago when they went into other countries either overtly or secretly and meddled in their affairs, either trying to strengthen them or topple them. The Americans have taken on the title of the School Yard Bully of the World.

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The election of Obama restored the world’s ideas about America as a land of progress and fairness, which I think explains his being given the Nobel so quickly after his election.

Trump reminded us of America’s worst sins: slavery, Vietnam, the Robber barons, slums and child labor od the early twentieth century, the Internmemt camps for Japanese immigrants, and prohibiting Chinese immigrants.

Except for the post-war period, it has a kind of horrible legacy where the privileged have always abused the poor, and that’s clearly the ambition of this administration.

Do it the American way or else!!

R9, thanks. I do think the post-World War 2 era, in general, is when much of the world started to hate us. I"m sure a LOT of that has to do with the creation of the CIA. And when Vietnam hit, that just made it official. What we did to Iran and countless other countries in the middle east made it worse. But I think our allies still supported us throughout these years (I could be wrong). The George Bush post-9/11 era was a new beginning, where even our own allies HATED us. I had a friend who had a sister who visited Austria. Apparently, people she was talking to told her that they thought we Americans deserve 9/11 for all the shit we have done to the world. And that was a pretty common sentiment then within the western European countries.

I think the love affair began unravelling in the early 1950's with the McCarthy hearings.

The world learned that the US could be every bit as fascist/fanatical/paranoid as any tyrannical monarchy/tsar/emperor, thanks to Donald Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn.

W Bush.

[quote]Apparently, people she was talking to told her that they thought we Americans deserve 9/11 for all the shit we have done to the world.

Oh my.

Those same people want into America. That’s why no.

I FF’d this thread. I feel something troll-like.

Maybe it's the wrong question.

At one time America could be trusted to some degree. No more.

They mostly hate flyoverland part of america!!

Who is happy now? China?

9/11, but go back to 1973.

Oh, OP, "everyone" around the world did not want to move to "America" (the US), and we were never "in love" with the US in the first place.

Despite contemporary rewriting of history, the US was seen predominantly as a land of immigrants. So from an outsider's perspective, it you were going to emigrate, it seemed a natural place to go. There are people from many countries who saw land as cheap, industry booming, and wanted a chance at making it rich. In developed countries, the emigrants also wanted be free from the hierarchies and rigidities of their own country. In countries with less development, people were fleeing poverty and war.

But in most countries, people stayed or went elsewhere. My grandparents' generation saw the US as fascinating but frightening. It was the country of the Civil War, slavery, religious zealots, lynchings, and the bomb. We respect you because your power was essential to counter European chaos and the Russians and the Chinese.

Now, most of us are completely unsurprised that you've gone from Nixon, the Reagan, to the Bushes to Trump, with flashes of moderation in between.

We're not in love with you. Never were.

We’ve been hated in Europe since after we fed the starving population of Western and Southern Europe after WWII. We did the only thing that’s worse than what the Fascists did - we wounded their pride.

Trumps America is what happens when racist right-wing white trash vote support and help elect corrupt politician's. While completely ignoring the checks and balances on the government.

Sad times we live in.

When I traveled Europe in the 80s everyone I encountered loved and admired the US and *specifically* Ronald Reagan, although I myself hated him. They respected his pride in his country and appreciated his optimism. Only fringe lefty-types were against him. When I was in Italy I was thanked personally for the US rescuing Italy from Fascism in WW2. Some more touristy areas were annoyed by me as an American tourist, but Europe (and much of the world) is annoyed by German tourists, also. The real difference in opinion of the US was after the Iraq war.

Teddy Roosevelt explains why the world will never love America.

r27, people were being nice to your face. And I highly doubt this was a universal, scientific survey of how "Europe" felt about the US. Leave it to an American to believe that what a few people told him on a trip to "Europe" was how all of "Europe" felt.

R26 is what happens when rational discourse degenerates into ignorance, bigotry and juvenile pejoratives.

We never loved you

They lost respect around this time.

I think as we moved further and further away from the WW II generation people began to take a different view of us based on policies and behaviors we exhibited that seemed to run counter to our ideals. And a lot of the so-called "hatred" was agit- prop, stirred up by Russia. Yes. Russia has been fucking us over since the 50's. Obama did a lot to repair damage and if he'd been successful with the TPP trade agreements, we'd be in great shape now. He really did leave a great road map for Environmental Policy, and Economic Policy, and of course Trump i shitting all over it because Putin hated Obama and Hillary.

Coming from someone born in '79 here's my two cents.

We respected you in the sense that you had your shit together. Your citizens seemed happy, you produced good music, socially you were ahead of the game, movies, tv etc You were always seen as fat, loud, arrogant, and ignorant. But your charm got you through.

I think it changed in the seventies/eighties/nineties tbh.

Vietnam was a bust. Do yo know how many kiwi and Aussie soldiers died in Vietnam? Exactly.

We have followed you guys from war to war to war because we have had to for trade agreements. The crux was the second Iraq war. That was the time, I think. Late eighties.

Yes, the USA had the official sympathy of the world at 9/11. Speaking cynically, that could have been reasonably exploited for decades. Instead, the Iraq war came along to bring all that positive energy to an abrupt end.

I think it changed in the 60's and 70's. We (I'm British) used to love the glamour and culture, then we realised we could do things better ourselves, or at least we preferred them. The continual coverage of things like Watergate, the bicentennial and every American election on our limited TV services were extremely annoying and we always took the piss out of Americans being fat. Little did we know that Britain wasn't far behind in the obesity stakes.

It’s really only people from “shithole” countries wanting to move to the US.

Quotas for European immigration go unfilled.

I definitely noticed attitudes towards America to change for the worse in my 4 decades of life. Maybe it was constant decline since WWII and will only get worse.

I can also say that in 2001 the 9/11 sympathy couldn't have been bigger. It was probably also because everyone saw it live on TV. People were emotionally affected as if it happened in their own country. America did its very worst to lose the sympathy and now attitudes might have arrived at "At least for once something happened to you assholes" for a lot of people.

In the 20th century the US was a hero with faults, not perfect but oh so cool, now it's the Evil Empire of Idiocy or moving in that direction fast.

This day

"Ugly American" has been a thing since the 1950's, maybe earlier.

R30: please explain your objections to what R26 stated. I personally don't have a problem with anything he/she said.

When frame 313 of the Zapruder film was revealed.

We're bragging about how great we are with nothing to back it up. We've been coasting on the laurels of WW II when we helped defeat Hitler and rebuild the world. We really were pretty fantastic. Then in the 60's our ow domestic problems bubbled over, really starting in the mid 50's with the Civil Rights movement and then Vietnam. But Krushchev was screaming he'd bury us in the late 50's early 60's. The Russians were pissed at us post WW II. A lot of people say that if Roosevelt had lived our relationship with Russia would have been different, but I don't agree. Russia had it's own agenda for world domination and it ran counter to ours.

Since social media video clips showed the world how trashy and low-rent America really is.

It's still a country that millions want to move to because we really have the most freedom of any country in the world.

In the 1960s, that asshole Ted Kennedy had immigration metrics changed to allow less Europeans in and more Hispanics. And that's why we're in the mess we're in now. Because rather than letting in scientists from Germany or wine makers from France, we let in all the criminals, gang members and drug dealers from Mexico, Guatamala and Venezuela and put them on the social welfare roles. All expenses paid and all the free time you need to destroy American culture.

R45 die already old bitch

[quote] Quotas for European immigration go unfilled.

What "quotas", R37? I wish there were such quotas to take more Europeans, but those were all abolished 50 years ago.

America admires itself more than the rest of the world.

[quote]America admires itself more than the rest of the world.

America also gives more than the rest of the world. Anytime there's a disaster in the world, the US is always the first to send money and supplies.

Hahahahaha you believe that?

You are delusional, R45.

All the countries in Western Europe are as free as the US if not more so. The same can be said of many South American and sub-saharan African nations, as well as Australia and New Zealand. I defy you to prove that the US has "the most freedom" of any country in the world. What an extreme and ludicrous thing to say.

You are living in world where surveillance is ruthless, where taxation is global no matter where you earn the money, where renouncing your citizenship will put you at risk of being taxed as if you were dead, where you do not here to human rights treaties and your constitution is weak, where your police force is dangerous to its own citizenry, with the world's largest per capita prison population, where your press is dominated by corporations. Your military industrial complex and CIA also impose violence and support dictatorships in the name of protecting your "freedom".

Other nations, especially in Europe, have a strong and longer tradition of the freedom of press than you do. Our laws are no more oppressive than yours and are often more libertarian.

By what measure do you have "the most freedom" in the world?

All countries have problems now

I need to correct something posted above. R12 wrote about internment camps for Japanese immigrants. Let's be very clear about this the internment camps were for American citizens of Japanese ancestry.

OP you post a link to a pic. Why didn't you post a link supporting the premise of your question?

I'm guessing because you're a troll.

It's been happening one country at a time and it happens when we establish a military presence, or interfere in that country's affairs irrevocably.

I lived in Korea in the 80s and that population had issues with their country being split in two. A lot of Koreans held us partially responsible because they did care what the North's politics were, they just wanted to be re-united with family on the other side.

I saw the same in the 90s when I lived in Germany. We involved ourselves in the Balkans civil war. Clinton defended our interference by telling the Serbians to ignore events that dated back 600 years and accept their territory being carved up. We bombed the Serbs into submission, but it changed the way a lot of Europeans looked at us.

Those are my two personal experiences.

[quote]All the countries in Western Europe are as free as the US if not more so. The same can be said of many South American and sub-saharan African nations, as well as Australia and New Zealand. I defy you to prove that the US has "the most freedom" of any country in the world. What an extreme and ludicrous thing to say.

Europe now has hate speech crimes. You can't even point out flaws in a certain religion without being put on trial. And Europeans are over taxed. Giving all your money to the government is not freedom. I'm not even going to comment on the dictatorships in South America and Africa.

I agree that Australia and New Zealand are probably close to the US in freedoms.

i've never loved america, OP. I was always very glad i was born in Europe. American society never seemed attractive to me, ruthless and inhumane. Now of course it's 1000 times worse. I weep for you.

You're exaggerating, R55. The European Court of Human Rights made clear that the Convention does not allow it, and most of Europe follows that doctrine (to the exclusion of Eastern Europe, which is supposed to do so but rarely complies). You really should stop depending on the internet and isolated cases for totalizing claims. Many states in the US also criminalize certain forms of hate speech if it crosses the line into intimidation.

Our press is as free if not more than yours. We have more restrictive libel and defamation laws than you do as well, and more access to government information. But keep deluding yourself.

[quote]We have more restrictive libel and defamation laws

That's not freedom, bub. More laws mean less freedom.

Did you know that in the UK, you can be arrested for speaking against the Queen? It's not often enforced, but it's still a law. Can you imagine if there was a law against speaking out against the President of the US?

You're an idiot, R58. Our laws are more restrictive in that they do not permit as many lawsuits, not the way you are interpreting it. You can be sued more in the US than in Europe for speech. It's a fact.

It's relative from issue to issue.

As a Dane, I can go naked on almost any beach in my own country and be naked outdoors generally without it being a crime. Swedes are less permissive, but not nearly as uptight and controlling as the US.

The people of Ireland have voted to amend their constitution to permit abortion, whereas in the US, the freedom of women in many states hangs on the vote of one future Supreme Court justice, just like in places like the Baltics and Poland where rights are being rolled back.

But for anyone to say that the US has the most freedom in the world is just nutty.

Money...

The U.S. stands head and shoulders above the rest of the world. More than half (56%) of Americans were high income by the global standard, living on more than $50 per day (in 2011). Another 32% were upper-middle income. In other words, almost nine-in-ten Americans had a standard of living that was above the global middle-income standard. Only 7% of people in the U.S. were middle income, 3% were low income and 2% were poor.

Compare that with the rest of the world, where 13% of people globally could be considered middle income in 2011. Most people in the world were either low income (56%) or poor (15%), and relatively few were upper-middle income (9%) or high income (7%).

[quote] R54: I saw the same in the 90s when I lived in Germany. We involved ourselves in the Balkans civil war.

One of Clinton’s great accomplishments. All sides were committing genocide there, and quickly. Clinton and others put a stop to it. The countries there divided into something more natural and acceptable to their populous. And the killing stopped. Not they’re a vacation destination for the rest of Europe, and the world, instead of a shithole.

It's interesting that the Balkan underdogs we helped were mostly Muslim, but three years later, 9/11...

R62, thank you. What Serbia did was nothing short of genocide. And all the other sides also performed crimes against humanity. Milosevic deserved what he got.

1980, when Reagan took office was when the tide turned, it seems to me. Now I don't care if I ever set foot in the country again.

Nam amd Nixon

Nam, Watergate, Reagan. I'm American FWIW.

The cruelty and ineptness of the (non)response to Katrina also didn't help the U.S. image around the world.

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