Mary Lou Retton

She got a perfect 10 and won the gold medal, OP!

Because through it all, she never stopped smiling!

I hated her. I remember hoping she would fall on her ass on those vaults.

There was no internet, so no Netflix or Amazon or easy-access porn as options to avoid boring Olympics.

Her pussy stinks!!

You mean Mary Lou Rotten!

You know those stories about how the Olympic Village during the games is one giant fuckfest among the athletes? That all began with Mary Lou. In one night she polished off the Swedish and Venezuelan crew teams,

She pisses her pants. In fact, I think she wears a diaper now.

Here she is advertising her diapers

We did not have the Little Women, Little Couple and other dwarf shows on TV 24/7. If we wanted to gawk at a midget, we took what we could get.

[quote] I hated her. I remember hoping she would fall on her ass on those vaults.

I love you, R3.

Katie Couric, before she became a "journalist", was the Mary Lou Retton of morning television. She was an annoying, chirping chipmunk too.

I hate her smile.

Mary Lou Rotten

She's a dead ringer for Tony Danza in OP's pic!

I always thought she looked dykey.

Reaganism, Morning in America.

Here is Mary Lou, telling us more unneccesary details about her pussy and looking proud of it too!

I thought her competitor, the Romanian girl, was much better.

I must say that I'm shocked that someone with a pelvic floor that could hold up a semi-truck, has incontinence issues. WTF was the point of all of those years of training literally centered around that pelvic floor and you can't hold all of your piss?

Mary LOO Rotten

Mary! Lou Retton.

She never would have won if the Soviets hadn't boycotted.

Also, she was terrible on beam. She was majorly overscored and the judges didn't take all of the deductions from her routine that they should have.

Szabo was robbed!

OP, that is how I feel about Kerri Strug!

WHET Olga Korbut?

That porn actor, Johnny Rapid, looks like her.

R26, similar holes?

She beat the Commies and won gold. (Well, not all of the Commies due to the boycott, but the ones who showed up).

WHO???

ABC Funfit

Mary Lou is unappealing, but Szabo? Please. Just another lame soot-covered Romanian girl that for some reason gay men love, even though she's a homophobe and from a hompohobic cunt-ry. I was better than both of them. And, stop ,saying "if the Russians would have shown up, so and so never would have won. To win, you gotta show up. You can't get credit if you didn't even participate.

And, I still look good!

That woman looks frightful R32!

Do her diapers take care of all incontinence matters?

That woman is a gold-medal winning legendary gymnast who looks incredible.

Kathy Johnson was such an old, ugly hag by 1984, I'm surprised she was even there!!!!

Mary Lou had a line of sex toys - various dildos, butt plugs, and such with cutesy gymnastics related names - "Stick It," "Mount/Dismount," "Perfect 10 (Inches)," "Balance Beads."

At least she didn't marry a fag, Nadia.

MaryLou was the original Olympic Power Bottom.

Yeah, and she was into fisting. She pulled a fisting train in the Olympic Village with all the hammer throwers and their big arms. Probably why she's incontinent. But, it started earlier with Bela and Marta.

lmao R40 and eww at that visual!

Boy, Julianne McNamara looks like shit now! It's a good thing they awarded her an unfair Gold Medal to tie my own rightful Uneven Bars title!

I'm the only Marilu who matters!

THIS is the DataLounge we want. Hear us roar, fraus, millenials, lesbos, bis. This right here.

I'm keeping it VERY gay!

A low rent, American version of Nadia and Olga. Stumpy, inelegant. A mousy woman!

I read Mary Lou's autobiography. Standard fare until chapter 4, which started, "After my first anal fissure ...." I was like "whoah, slow down there."

[quote]I'm the only Marilu who matters!—Marilu Henner

Quick, tell us the exact date Retton became incontinent!

R9, so that explains why the balance beam was always when after Mary Lou got off it!

Like duh!

She looks like a mannequin here. A plastic, smiling mannequin.

Jesus Christ, if I didn't know who she was, I'd wonder which "Mommy blog" she runs.

The smile is very disturbing and looks incredibly try-hard.

Oh, and R51, she doe shave a blog called Anal and Motherhood, My Story.

R50:

Retton was nowhere as good as Nadia Comaneci.

Right on, R54. I hate when they would include Retton along with true gymnastics legends like Nadia and Olga.

Can not explain it, OP. I hated her then and hate her now. She isn’t exactly butch, but she has a lesbian look about her.

She has that try-hard smile that is fake as fuck. At least the Slavic girls didn’t fake it. If and when they ever smiled, you know it was genuine.

She's topless here, shaking her titties.

How can you not love this face?

Such a flirt!

Gentlemen, see this thread.

Go away, you old scold. This thread is about ME!

That's the look of a mother who runs the school bake sales and involved in drug deals on the side.

R55 Good and all as the Americans became, their Eastern Bloc rivals always had a finesse which they lacked.

Great, the communist sympathizers have arrived. Finesse? Whatever.

R63 No. Just calling it as it actually is. Compare Kim, Korbut ,Tourischeva and Comaneci with Retton and Biles? No.

R60, she looks sweaty and coked out in that photo. Mary SNORT retton?

She personified the vapid exuberance of the Reagan era

Her Funfit on Saturday morning TV was hilarious. Children do not watch TV and exercise, nor have they ever nor will they ever.

Mary Loo doesn't care R67.. she'll endorse or star in anything for a few cheap bucks!!

Kathy Johnson didn't get her 1st period until she was 25. Did she borrow some tampax from Mary Lou, who had already started menstruating at 14?

Like Mary Lou cares what you bitches think!! She's an Olympic Champion, gold medalist, made tons of endorsement, and a successful wife and mother!

I couldn't stand her, Mary Decker and Nancy Kerrigan. What they have in common that turns me off I'm not self aware enough to know.

R70 = Mary Lou Retton!!

I don't know who Mary Decker is, but Retton and Kerrigan have a "Tracy Flick" quality to them. Like a phony, All-American, Stepford perkiness that's so off-putting.

The real 1984 Olympic All-Around champion. She was robbed. Compare this balance beam to Retton's!

Mary Lewd Retton is also a RepubliKKKan, along with Kerri Strug. Here they are at the 2004 GOP convention.

She looked like michael j fox

R76, maybe they are the same person?

Have we ever seen Mary Lou and Michael J. Fox at the same place, at the same time? Hmmm?

Retton posted a message of support for Larry Nassar very early on when the sex abuse scandal started slowly coming out. She’s loyal to belt and Marta and Dominique mocienau outed her for going to Washington to lobby Dianne Feinstein to kill a bill that would hold coaches responsible for not reporting abuse. When this happened all hell broke loose in the gymnastics community and retton locked down her social media pages.

*bela

R78, I am not at all surprised that Mary Lou would do something as sneaky and backhanded as that.

Her kids are named: McKenna Lane Kelley, Shayla Rae Kelley, Emma Jean Kelley, Skyla Brae Kelley

How could she not be a Republican?

Kerrigan was many things, but perky was not one of them

Mary was great but Shannon should have gotten gold in 92

And lets not try to make like those roided out Commies were "better". Cheats, all of them!

I don't think steroids exactly help in gymnastics, Rose.

Short, squat linebacker,

Fake smile and fake gold medal,

A horrible woman.

This is the funniest thread I've read on DL in a long time. I remember being in elementary school when Mary Lou Retton became popular, and a lot of girls started getting that short, pixie haircut.

R47, does Mary Lou really have anal fissures?

Yes R88. She says so in her autobiography. She is nothing if not an honest gal.

Poor Mary Lou’s anus!

R73 Kerrigan is more like the anti Retton. Not perky, introverted, not good at interviews and much more feminine. Retton came off as kind of a normal teenager next door. That's what people liked about her she was that nice acomplished girl every parent wished there daughter was. I was a teenager so she just reminded me of classmates who kind of annoyed me. The ones who were cheerleaders but had tons of school spirit.

[quote] I remember being in elementary school when Mary Lou Retton became popular, and a lot of girls started getting that short, pixie haircut.

I remember a cousin getting this haircut and then getting teased for looking lesbianish. Just another example of Mary Lou ruining lives, both near and far!!

[quote] WHET Olga Korbut?

Like all Russians, she became an alky and got arrested for shoplifting!

Here is Mary Lou with her hand on poor David Archuleta's ass. Notice how uncomfortable he looks and how he is trying to keep his distance...

R78, Mary Lou was such a Bela and Marta Karoyli ass kisser. Whenever other gymnasts would come forward and talk about abusive techniques while training with the karoylis, she would be the first one to come out in defense of them.

Here is mary lou's husband. He actually looks pretty good.

She looks like an Oompa Loompa standing next to him, R96.

R96 Orange people to the marrow

I remember how during training after MLR finished her routine poor Julianne McNamara, would have to towel off any part of the beam MLR sat on.

YOU ALL ARE JUST JEALOUS!!!

Is she still shilling for Australian Dream?

You can really see the Italian in her now. Lots of Italians in that part of West Virginia where she was from. They came to work in the mines.

She would be the type to chop off the vowel from her name, R102.

R102, her family's real name is 'Rotunda', which they changed at some point after coming to the States.

Well, she is a rotund, little bitch.

Is her husband freakishly tall or is she just freakishly short?

Her husband was star quarterback for University of Texas while I was a student there. He was FINE back then, quite the stud. Now he looks like a tired soccer dad.

[quote] Now he looks like a tired soccer dad.

Well can you imagine being married to this perky, shrill munchkin for almost three decades? That would prematurely age anyone!

R107 Indeed. I have visions of the guy lying down with a hard on hoping for a quiet wank only to have his midget, grinning and brimming with energy ,burst into the room grab it and begin to pole dance and vault and practise her moves. This on top of having to plug the midget. Give the dude a break.

Also, she birthed four daughters and not one single son for him.. Oh Good 'ol Mary Lou, fucking things up yet again!

BTW he's only 6'1" -- still tall but no giant. She's a dwarf.

She was popular because fraus loved her. They probably still do. She is a 'Rated G' role model for the children. Now Mary Lou is a frau herself, always going on about her successful marriage and her kids. [html removed]

R108, that is a hilarious visual! Most likely true, too!

[quote] She is a 'Rated G' role model

Rated G for Gross?

R108 you cracked me up!

Here's another example of Mary Lou fucking things up. In the team competition, after one of her teammates dismounted from a successful uneven bars routine, she rushed onto the podium to congratulate her and hug her and of course make it all about herself. Because of this, the judges instituted a rule that athletes cannot be on the podium when they are not competing a routine. Four years later at the 1988 Olympics, one of the USA alternates was accidentally on the podium, and the judges took a deduction from the Team USA overall score. As a result of this deduction, Team USA was bumped from a bronze medal to 4th place. So essentially Mary Lou cost Team USA a bronze medal!

^ Not as bad as being the alternate who ruined it.

I heard Mary Lou is a sex freak in bed.

Poor Russians lost that year & hate MLR with a passion.

How could the Russians lose if they weren't even there, Rose?

R42, Julianne deserved her co-gold. Two different styles, but both she and Ma were excellent bars workers.

I wonder if the crotch of her onesie smells.

I read her book and did not remember anything about anal fissures!

[quote] How could the Russians lose if they weren't even there, Rose

By not winning because they weren’t there.

But they were sure they’d have won against Retton if they’d been there.

Let's be real. MLR is every gay man's fucking nightmare. She's got the head of a hawk with Kimura's disease and the body of a muscled eunuch dwarf. She is a Frau cubed and frankly, I am sleeping with the lights on tonight.

Bump

SCARY LOU RETTON! Cumming (yes, "cumming") to theatres near you.

A demonic midget Frau descends upon Fire Island. One gay man after another awakes to find the evil dwarf flipping, somersaulting, and twisting on to their morning erection forcing penetration and conversion "therapy".

The Russians would have wilted under the chants of USA USA in 84. Mary peaked during the Olympics. She beat the best Romanian who was probably the best in the world at the time. Mary for GOLD all the way. But I hate he politics. Wonder if she jumped off the GOP wagon with Dump?

She taught Adam "America's Sweathog" Rippon how to be perky. That's something to be proud of.

So she likes us gays?

R126, ridiculous. I’m no fan of Russia currently, but anybody who knows anything about gymnastics knows that the Soviets were the best in the world in the 80s. This gymnast, Olga Mostepanova, would have likely won the gold. Can you really compare Mary Lou’s dumpy gymnastics to hers?

Who remembers when she was Revco's spokesperson?

[129] You never know HOW they would've performed at those Olympics. We'll never know. I say they would have WILTED!

R128, about as much as a Republican frau possibly can. Most male gymnasts are gay (cough, BART CONNOR, cough) so she may be somewhat of a hag.

I meant faghag. She already is a hag.

I wish that Sexy Alexei Nemov was gay. I whacked it all summer of 96 to that hunk of Russian meat.

She is a Republican baptist

She has that really creepy super-toothy smile--it always looks like her jaw is clenched when she smiles, like she's projecting, "LIKE me, LIKE me!"

R134, I wish they had given us more coverage of Sexy Alexei on the NBA broadcast. Instead they gave us an overload of this bitch’s ugly mug all summer!

NBC^

[quote] but anybody who knows anything about gymnastics knows

Ooh, Mary! Throw down!

[R137] I remember seeing A LOT of him that summer on their Olympic coverage. He was def a star of those Olympics. I need more Sexy Alexei! No way this would happen in todays shitty Olympic coverage.

R130, is there anything Mary Loo Rotten won’t endorse?! She’s already been the spokeswoman for incontinence diapers and tampons. I’m surprised she hasn’t started shilling for hemorrhoid cream yet

[R141] Apparently she also endorsed sex abuse. See article several replies above.

So her husband is gay, right? She has the short, titless body of a male dwarf.

She did beat Szabo who would have definitely been in the running even with the commies but Szabo's fall was the reason that MLR was able to win. Even winning a silver in that era would have catapulted her in the zeitgeist. I do think if she hadn't won the AA, she would have won VT where she was miles ahead of everyone but the idea of an american winning 2 golds was too much for 1984

[quote] winning 2 golds

HA! I win 4 gold metals at one Oleempiks but nobody remember!! Even more than Olga and Nadia. My 4 gold metals more impressive than midget’s one

[R145] But you didn't get the pleasure of seeing me land 2 perfect 10's on vault.*HUGE SMILE THAT BLINDS POOR EKATERINA*

Bart Conner is really gay?? Most male gymnasts too?

Mary Crotch Rotten

Bart Conner is a known former bathhouse power bottom who has seen more milky loads than a spermbank. Nadia is bearding for him in a mutual arrangement. He helped rehab her through her slutty Romanian hooker phase, and in turn he gets to appear “straight”

Her face is so weird, especially when she smiles.

She has a sot of odd career for a top gymnast in that she never won any World Championships medals, or even competed at the World Championships. Her career was short. She probably honestly doesn't deserve to be on a list of the all-time greats, but having an Olympic AA gold seems to weigh heavily in her favor (even if it was a boycotted Olympics). She really was a phenomenon after her win. I actually don't blame her for not continuing very long after 1984. She was getting serious endorsement money and she could have only fucked her status up by competing in more Olympics and WCs. She wasn't going to win gold again, so quitting when she did everyone knows her from her gold medal in LA.

"sort of"

[quote] She did beat Szabo

Retton was ridiculously overscored on beam. I would argued that Szabo was robbed.

Szabo got what she deserved

Retton got the ugly face she deserved.

[R154] Exactly! And that was 2nd fucking place.

OP Why do you assume unappealing, unattractive midgets can't be popular? Have you never seen The Wizard of Oz?

Fuck off

R151 it was pretty rare for atheletes to compete in more than one olympics back then. This was especially true of gymnasts. They girls peak in their teens, they are to old four years later. The IOC was a lot more stringent about being an amateur back then. Most atheletes couldn't afford to stay Olympic eligible for that long. Most did compete in the worlds after the Olympics. It was considered bad form not to finish the season.

R157, Mary Lou was more like one of the Flying Monkeys. Same height and body type too

I've heard she can pick up a set of car keys with her vulva if she does the splits on top of them while naked and then stands up. Her nether muscles are that developed.

When she is having dental pain, she eats her meals down there, with her secondary set of dentata

Ah yes, another whitty and smart thread devoted to tearing down a person of great achievement. Tell us OP, what do you do when not trolling DL?

Looks like MaryLou found this thread! She should be grateful. This is the most anybody had talked about her in years.

MLR is such a narcissist that I would not doubt for a moment that she reads each and every single Google Alert about her!

It's actually considerably better than I imagined. No, not the lines of the Europeans, but still better. So much less combination tumbling back then. The only thing that stands out is that all of her flips are tuck, no layouts. But, again, while she was overscored, it's better than I thought.

Szabo got a 9.35 for this horrible, archy bar routine with no swing and many, many leg separations. That's not counting the blown front somersault and the fall on the dismount.

"No, not the lines of the Europeans, but still better."

I mean better than I expected, not better than the Europeans/Russians.

Szabo doesn't seem to be able to swing out of a release move; she comes to almost a dead stop.

Retton was one of the first to really popularize the beastly power tumbling/cheerleader style of gymnastics that I don’t care for, and which is frankly very common amongst American gymnasts (Zmeskal, Shawn Johnson). I can respect their athletic abilities, but Not my thing, and no I am not Russian...

what’s wrong with midgets??

If there had been no boycott, the favorite likely would have been Maxi Gnauck. Ironically, Retton beat her in the Chunichi Cup and also beat Shushunova there but there was no compulsories. A lot of people don't give enough weight to the fear factor. Retton was a stud and the other girls knew it. When she was at a discipline, after they were introduced to the judges, she would run back to be the first one to take a warmup and she always was first. The competitor who was closest to her in style and athleticism was Shushunova.

[quote] Retton was a stud and the other girls knew it.

I’ll say. Bitch was packin’ a huge cock and some big, swingin’ balls!

This is the one and ONLY Mary Lou performance I have ever liked!

Wtf? That's hilarious r173. What's it from?

[R171] Exactly! There is no telling what the Russians would have done at the 84 games. Their best could have easily stumbled or been rattled by the raucous USA crowd. Retton was on fire at these games- she peaked! The Romanians were no slouches and she beat their best. Fuck the Russians, they weren't there.

It wasn't just the Russians who boycotted. It was most of the Eastern Block countries. The Chinese hadn't really gotten into international sports yet. The U.S. Had a lot less competition that year.

The rah rah rah pro-American crowd was incredibly annoying, but nowhere near as loathsome as the foul Atlanta gymnastics crowd in 1996 who couldn't be bothered to applaud for world class gymnasts from other countries, and who were so loud applauding for American gymnasts that it drowned out other gymnast's floor exercise music.

[R176] They had the second best team in the world competing. That was enough. As was previously stated, Retton beat two of the best Russians in other competitions prior so who knows what would have happened IF they didn't boycott. They did so FUCK THEM. We'll never know and nothing anyone says will change that. Retton won, might still have won with Russians or no Russians.

[quote] Retton beat two of the best Russians in other competitions

You mean the American Cup, also known as the Scam Cup, where Americans always win?

R179, check again. It was the Chunichi Cup and Retton was the first American to ever win it, male or female. She beat Yurchenko at the American Cup and she fell from bars.

[R179] see [R171] NOT the American cup

I will give it to Retton that she was a great vaulter. Ahead of her time. That's about all I liked of her gym.

I am disgusted by you, and your post, R165. Ive seen drunks in a blackout state exhibit more grace. Some of the stunts she performed might be impressive, the everything in between is a slap in the face to the artistry that makes gymnastics compelling.

Watch this if you want to see respect for the beam.

[R183] Deal with it. She beat the top gymnasts in the world at competitions prior to the 84 games AND during the 84 games. Artistry? Oh GAWD. MARY! They can point their toes where it looks like the Peterson's blow poker. MARY! Ugh- MLR was great and won. She probably would have crushed the Russians in 84 had they showed up but WE'LL NEVER KNOW! Gymnastics is about the athletic and artistic. The Commies couldn't keep up (they had terrible nutrition) so they and their fraus clung to artistry. Well, fuck them.

So it turns out now that the midget is now peddling laxatives.

Is there any low too low for Mary POO Rotten?

I was only 5 but I even knew those Olympics were a joke. How many golds did we win like 150 maybe and our stiffest competition wasn't even there.

So graceful!

The hair, the smile. Make it stop

[R186] Yea right, 5 plus 45 is more like it. Boo hoo. She won and no amount of teeth gnashing is going to change that. At all. Russians SUCK then and SUCK now.

That vault would be worth 0 points in todays gymastics

Who could forget the time she guest starred on Baywatch? Such acting chops!

America's sweetheart.

[R190] Well today ISN'T 1984 so she good!

"I am disgusted by you, and your post, [R165]. Ive seen drunks in a blackout state exhibit more grace. Some of the stunts she performed might be impressive, the everything in between is a slap in the face to the artistry that makes gymnastics compelling."

Skills/tricks make gymnastics compelling. Save artistry for art shows or dance performances or any number of true art forms. All artistry does in sports is make it more subjective that it needs to be. Judged sports are bad enough, but sports judged on subjective criteria are worse. I get it - people like long lines and light movement and "artistic" hand movements, etc. Go see the ballet, it's full of that.

Well, then you dont understand that for some people, how and what you do is more important that simply getting things done.

There is a difference, you know.

R195, gymnastics is a sport first. Retton did tricks that were unknown to womens gymnastics and she did them higher, faster, stronger.

They've made it less and less artistic via the Code of Points. Good job!

Watching some of those Russian or Romanian routines in different events is almost comical how unathletic some of it was.

Retton for the GOLD all the way! She was the best one out there before and during the 84 games.

R197, switch to collegiate gymnastics if you want artistry over athleticism. Unfortunately, Retton's fat bitch of a daughter competes for LSU.

This catty, delicious thread sure got derailed. I smell Fraus. Oh well, it was pointless bitchery at it's finest while it lasted.

For years, Mary Lou supposedly wanted to release or endorse a perfume, yet no takers for that. Hmmm, I wonder why? Could it be because of her notoriously foul body odor?

R173, we need more of Mary Lou falling out of a pinata. Or Mary Lou falling on her ass anywhere. Please share more Mary Lou failures!

Mary FAT Retton

Why was she hiding in a piñata? Was she spying on someone?

^Trying to traumatize unsuspecting small Mexican children.

[quote] ^Trying to traumatize unsuspecting small Mexican children.

Well, she is a Republican afterall!

Did straight guys think she was hot back then?

Yes, R207. She was the next big pinup model directly after Farah Fawcett. There was also that one time she posed for Hustler magazine.

You can joke all you want and whatever else you can say about Mary Lou, the bravery she showed in speaking out publicly about her anal fissures is truly commendable. I'm not a fan of her gymnastics, but I am a fan of her.

lol R209

The pinata thing is from a Dairy Queen commercial. Fast forward to 0:14 for the good part!

Thank you r211. How could it not end that way.

Dianne Durham also went to Karolyis but her stage/gym mom pulled her and it cost her a position on the 84 Olympic team. Durham beat Mary Lou several times and had she stuck with Karolyi, she likely would have spared us MLR. When she finally went back to Karolyi, it was too late.

Mary Lou Cuntin

So what is Mary Lou like away from the cameras and media? Surely she is not always so perky. Somebody must have some firsthand or secondhand gossip!

She accepted the Oscar well in this clip's first 5 seconds (upper right in blue).

Mary Lou is an obscene song lyric in a rap song, “Make Dat pussy pop” by Tha Dogg Pound.

/ Tongue skatin 'cross a ni**a dick like Mary Lou Retton /

Obviously they know something about Mary Lewd that we don’t!

She’s worse than Hitler, R215

That looked like a hard fall onto a hard surface, R211!

Don’t worry, R219. Mary Lou has plenty of FAT to break her fall!

r74 Did they score that lower than Mary Lou's? Mary's entire routine was flapping her hands while almost falling off twice.

Is she maybe a man?

We’re still trying to figure out if the midget is actually Michael J Fox or Tony Danza in drag

She grunts a lot on the toilet.

She's only 4' 10" but can take 14 inches of cock, or 2 feet of fist and arm. She's a pro.

Mary Lou Fistin’^

R224 she makes the same grunts and faces on the balance beam as she does on the toilet!

Mary Lou was voted Gold Medal snatch of the 84 Games.

If Mary Lou’s vagina could talk, what would it say?

Mid 90's saw her on tour with Olga and Nadia and she was embarrassing. She did a floor routine which consisted of no somersaults, but she ROLLED around and pointed her feet in the air, then went on her side and did the same. She got a SO from the crowd though. Absurd. At least we knew Olga was like 50 and couldn't do much. The beam routine she did was fascinating. She walked up to it, kissed it, caressed it, held on to it but never actually mounted it.

“She wipes me back to front”, R229

Mary Cooze Rotten

"If Mary Lou’s vagina could talk, what would it say?"

Feed me!

Mary Lou has a very active vagina. It popped out four children. I bet Mary Lou's pussy is as perky, smiling, and annoying as she is!

Mary still snatched that GOLD bitches! Those Russians didn't stand a chance! If they ever threatened (which they wouldn't have) she would have blinded those bitches with her pearly white smile.

There is nothing golden about Mary Crude’s snatch, R235

Mary Lou was a graceless sow. Look at some of these other gymnasts to see routines that actually showed grace.

She has nothing on Iris Myandowski the handwalking queer

[quote]Here is mary lou's husband. He actually looks pretty good.

Uh, no.

Uh, he looks a helluva lot better than the perky midget, R239

I have always hated her!

Her cum guzzling skills are worth a Perfect 10!

Here she is bragging about her hip replacement, endorsing a doctor!

How did she get anal fissures?

Large toys, fisting, among other things. She's impatient and often does lube up properly. Ouch.

My god she looks like Ted Cruz.

she invented teabagging.

R241=Julianne McNamara

God. Can you imagine her poor husband having to stare at this scary grin while having sex!

Bitch needs a new haircut!

She had spunk.

I hate spunk.

Yeah, she had plenty of spunk.... up her vagine at the 84 Olympics!

Mary Lou being majorly overscored. A 9.9 with a huge hop!

r253

that is a tricky vault... so easy to fall on your ass, ask the men who competed in the 93-96 era(which is sad that the womens' compulsory vault in 84 was the mens' compulsory vault 20 years later)

Mary Twat Rotten

R253, despite the hop it was still higher, longer and more flighty than any other gymnast. I especially like the smoothness of the twist. 9.9 is a completely correct score.

Scoring as nuanced back then.

More shocking was the 9.9 she got on FX in the team competition even though she put her HAND down at the end of one of her tumbling passes.

Well, the soviet boycott saved her ass. Her victory against Szabo was dubious but there's no way she could defeat Natalia Yurchenko or Olga Mostepanova (who recieved 4 perfect 10 on an event that year).

She won the first gold on AA for the USA but the first great american gymnast was Shannon Miller (Kin Zmeskal gold at the world championships was a robbery, the great Svetlana Boginskaya deserved that gold and if the competition wasn't in the USA she would be the winner)

r258

the deduction for putting your hand down was only .1 then! that's crazy

R259, she already beat Yurchenko and Shushunova who was considered the favorite going into the Olympics. Both were similar athletics first, artistry second athletes the way Retton was. Mostepanova was a beautiful gymnast but she had the same problems as Ilienko with lack of lower body strength and problems with lift and spring. Those tens she got at the friendship games were even more dubious than the scores at the Olympics. Despite her artistry, Mostepanova was never really a crowd pleaser because of her somewhat aloof personality. If there was someone who could have stolen Retton's thunder with charisma and gymnastics, it would have been Omelianchik.

I don't think even Retton in LA could have competed with this kind of audience pleasing performance.

She beat Yurchenko at the American Cup, when Yurchenko asked to have the upper bar raised and was refused, not only did she have problems because she was not allowed to adjust the bar, but so did Kathy Johnson. Also, it was March, the Soviets didn't peak in March. Shushunova was NOT Shushunova at that time and if you looked at her at the 1983 Chunichi Cup, where Retton defeated her, you could see that.

Have you not seen Mostepanova's routines from Olomouc there on Youtube and whatever you think about whether they deserved the scores they received, across all four apparatus they were way ahead of Retton. Whether or not she would've appealed to the crowd is irrelevent, especially at an event in the U.S. Retton and the U.S. girls were the only ones who were going to get the crowd's attention. Doesn't mean she wouldn't have beaten MLR.

Omelianchik was alternate for the Olomouc team, which was essentially the USSR's Olympic team, so it's doubtful she would have even competed.

Simona Pauca should have won!!!

R252, crowd appeal is as big an aspect of gymnastics as performance. It is definitely NOT irrelevant. Why do you think Davydova and Retton won? I've been a fan of Mostepanova but she fell down too heavily on the artistic side when gymnastics was going to the athletic side. Artistically they were ahead of Retton on Beam and Bars but way behind on the tumbling aspects. As for Shushnova, she had already won the Spartakiad over Yurchenko at that time so she was absolutely the Shushunova of 85. She had a minor injury which prevented her from winning the Spartakiad in 84. Yurchenko's fall from the bars followed her 9.7 on vault compared to Retton's 9.95.

Regardless, competition is how we prove champions. Retton was able to psych other gymnasts out with her athleticism during warmups and that was as much a part of her story as anything.

In an non-boycotted 84 Olympics, I would have made Maxi Gnauck of East Germany the favorite for AA.

R261:Omelianchik was fantastic, but she and Shushunova were 14 in 1984. Gnauck was robbed in Moscow and probably would be robbed in LA too (both Gnauk and Commaneci were better than Davydova) In my opinion Szabo was better than Retton and if the Olympics were in any other country she would be the winner

R266, Bicherova was 13 when she won the World Championships and the ages of many of the Romanians were in question in 84 like Cutina and Pauca. It was said that Agache was pushed forth in 81 as well with a falsified age.

Szabo might have been better but this bars routine got a 9.35, which is a ridiculously high score. Watch her complete stoppage of swing after both flight elements, her legs come apart on the 1 1/2 to say nothing of her fall on her dismount.

Szabo

Silivas was other gymnast whose age was into question during the 80's but the truth is she looked extremely young in the 85 world championships

Regardless of what anyone says about Davydova, she won the AA with arguably the best fx of all time.

I also though Dobre's display in 1987 was the finest combination of artistry and athleticism on all four disciplines. What a tragedy she had an injury so in 1988 she was a shadow of herself.

For me Omelianchik 1985 was the best Fx exercise of all time

It's called [bold] Artistic [/bold] Gymnastics, of which Mary Lou Rotten never had any!

Mostepanova was also very very streaky and unreliable in competition. With the exception of the Alternative Games, she has no other AA titles and in 1985, her own coach pulled her from the AA competition because he said she was psychologically unready but many in the gymnastics community knew it was because Baraksanova had a better chance at a medal with Omelianchik and Shushunova.

R273, a double layout and a laid out Sook are as artistic as any move in gymnastics when done the way Retton did it. Nonetheless, it's still a sport so athleticism trumps artistry.

Major fister, big Trump voter

No way in hell Mary Lou Cuntin' wins a gold medal at a non-boycotted games, Chunichi Cup win or not.

I can't help but wonder whenever I see Mary Lou on TV giving an interview, whether she is wearing a diaper at that moment and having an accident?

Get real, R274, MLR BARELY beat Szabo who was counting a fall, there's no way she was going to beat Mostepanova, who was 2nd at Worlds ahead of Szabo the previous year. And while you argue about her being weak in the legs that didn't stop her from doing a terrific full-in (which Retton really struggled to land consistently) on FX and getting a ten on Vault at '83 Worlds, not to metion perfect form, execution and extension. Retton was a two event gymnast, Mostepanova was an all-around gymnast.

R278, you get real. Mostepanova was a weak competitor which is proven by her lack of AA wins and her complete lack of AA wins outside of Russia. Her bars work was complete with archy giant swings (a holdover from the Shaposhikova, Filatova era), poor extension on her bar transitions and she had a habit of hitting her left leg on the bar during her Tkachev, which she did not only in Olomouc but also the previous WC in Budapest. For her to have achieved a 10 with her lack of technique and strength to tie with Maxi Gnauck tells you pretty much all you need to know about the scoring in that competition. And leg strength is what caused her to do faults with no height or distance. To her credit, unlike Bicherova, on her Cuervo, she kept her legs together in the preflight but Bicherova got much further and higher and also landed much straighter. I have absolutely no criticism of her on beam where she was masterful but again, her tumbling on floor was detrimental to her beautiful dance and musicality.

Here is her bars performance in Olomouc which got a 9.75, which seems generous. Even without the hit on the bars, this is NOT a 10. Also note the dead hang she comes to after her blown back sommie transfer.

And although she lacked consistency in her full-ins as well, double back tumbling is not about lift, it's about rotation. But here is her Olomouc 10 where she struggles on her full-in.

Mary Lou Cuntin's mother has entered the thread to defend her midget!

Retton absolutely would have won the AA in 84 with a non boycott. She peaked at those games, already defeated those Russian whores, and she knew how to psyche out an opponent.

I think Retton would have been even more on had the Russians attended. She thrived on that competitiveness.

However, we can play the "what if" game all day but Retton DID win the AA.

[quote] and she knew how to psyche out an opponent.

By doing what? Pissing on the beam beforehand? We know she has incontinence issues!

As someone said, by displaying her athleticism. Don't hate, appreciate. She would have won with the Ruskies there.

Mary Loo had all of the grace of an 18 wheeler parked at a West Virginia TA travel center!

Sorry but i doubt it, the soviets were unbeatable during those years, with the exception of Nadia Comanecci (and Mary Lou was not Nadia but any means). They had an amazing team (Russia never was a shadow of their former self as soviet union in gymnastics).

Mary Lou was a very current gymnast like Shushunova, both big tumblers like today's gymnastics (even Shushu was not considered artistic back in the day she is miles better in artistry than 99% of current gymnasts) but in the 80's aristry was very important, and american gymnast never were that good in that department (Shannon Miller was the first american who really could compete as equal with the soviets)

Retton already beat the Soviets in various Cups and Retton had not peaked yet. Retton would have won 84 regardless. I know that triggers the fuck out of some of you but it is what it is. Retton would have won. It would have been a race for Silver for the Soviets and Romanians.

This was Gnauck at the Alternative games on bars. Look at the perfect position on the handstands, the straight body on the circle swings and her dismount pulled way above the high bar.

Mary Lou rettons pussy.....

Does it stink?

Whatever gets you to sleep at night, R278

Mary Lou Rotten's crotch smells like a Depends diaper that hasn't been changed in a week, R289!

It smells like gold and Russian tears.

I didn't know Russian bots cared about gymnastics.

Could Mary Lou, even at her best - beat Cathy Rigby at hers?

[quote] I didn't know Russian bots cared about gymnastics.

I am not a Russian bot, but I am triggered by Mary Loo's foul gold medal!

R 293: In this type of cases you don't need Russian bots at all. A lot of gymnastics fans are not very fond of american style of gymnastics, and american gymnasts loved by more traditional fans are very few (Shannon Miller, Nastia Liukin).

Right now the USA has the best team by far and the new code works in favour of american gymnastics, but there are still a lot of people who think Komova was better than Weaber and Douglas, for example.

I'm not buying conspirancy theories specially when someone like Paseka with that incredibly poor technique (i know she was way better younger) is able to be vault champion, but the truth is american gymnast tend to be overscored, and i'm not talking about Biles (wich in my opinion is the best right now) but Raisman was incredibly overscored at Olympics

R296, that's how the sport evolves. There were those who argued that the old system favored Communist countries, especially with compulsories. Once Communism fell, those athletes were no longer subsidized and didn't have the ability to work on all those routines. The code of points always favored countries that were able to put more time and money into practice.

Traditional fans are like ballet fans in that they're a dying breed. Athleticism can be judged, artistry can't. Artistic competition is an incompatible phrase and led to numerous judging problems. Someone does a flawed double with a full and you can still appreciate the effort. Someone else does a perfect double twist but there's less achievement.

HER "LONG LOST BROTHER"...

MLR is a big republican & a fan of Rat Robertson.

She's appeared on the 700 Club numerous times OP.

The right wing patriot types love her as "America's sweetheart".

R297: I agree, but in my opinion the new code needs to be corrected. If you are from a big country your execution scores are disproportionally higher than gymnasts from other countries.

And difficult elements shouldn't be rewarded if the execution is poor.

The truth is the competition has way less drama right now, you can fail big time and get a medal. in 2007 Vanessa Ferrari and Jade Barbosa failed big time, the italian on uneven bars and the brazilian on floor and both scored a bronze. Simone Biles won gold with a big advantage even with a big fail on balance beam and a lackluster floor. One thing is giving a big execution score to the Biles' Amanar wich is very well executed and other very different give a big score the Raismann's Amanar wich is very poor (and her form is really bad).

Artistry is very difficult to evaluate, for some people it's only looking like a ballerina, but the truth is floor exercises are incredibly boring today in comparision with the 80's. They are very difficult but very forgettable.

I think this years world championships are going to be a bloodbath. USA has a great team but given the teams selected for Europeans, Russia is going to follow Romanian's path. For american's gymnast sucked the change to the two gymnasts in AA instead of three because right now i think it could be very possible they get gold, silver and bronze

r300

what the fuck are you talking about? When would you EVER call Simone fucking BIles lackluster on FX??

R301: In 2015 she was very very very very far from her best. That floor was not up to her standards by any means (i'm talking about her AA floor). I don't know if she got nervous after that bad balance beam routine, but she was very far from her usual performance. It doesn't matter because she had a big advantage anyway

I think Nadia hit the point on the head when she said gymnastics gave away its trademark by eliminating the 10.0. Now, the scoring is so convoluted that it's very difficult for the average viewer to understand. That in itself is a turnoff.

Floor exercises began going downhill with the fall of Communism as those choreographers and musicians had somewhere to finally go instead of being forced to do routines for anorexic 13 yos. Even Ludmilla ("I dedicate my Gold Medal to cementing communism") Tourischeva said that her generation never dreamed of the moves that are being done and it's made the sport more exciting. I think something like beam has not only gotten more athletic, it's gotten more artistic with the Chinese bringing in elements of dance and flexibility that are amazingly appealing to the audiences.

R303: In my opinion the floor routines are just boring. You don't have someone like Korkhina to bring drama to her routine. Someone who chose carefully the music and combine it with tumbling. Most routines are very similar, the same skills again and again, the same saltos and piruettes, in some cases very difficult but not beautiful to watch, wolf turns are horrid (and apart of Biles nobody seems to execute them well).

On UB or BB there's some repetition too, but there are always gymnasts that bring something different.

Wich is obvious is that european countries lost their potential in recent years. Some countries like GS or Italy are getting better but the tradional dominat countries like Russia and Romania are on their way down

[quote]Also, she birthed four daughters and not one single son for him.. Oh Good 'ol Mary Lou, fucking things up yet again!

The sperm determines a baby's gender.

R300, the drama at this year's NCAA championships was off the chart. Peng Peng Lee needed a 9.975 for UCLA to win and she got a 10.0 allowing the Bruins to beat defending champions Oklahoma. The beam score was the highest in NCAA finals history and it included a fall from Madison Kocian.

PS, Mary Lou's daughter is on LSU who finished fourth. Too bad it wasn't LSU in second so she could feel what it's like to be on the other side of a 10.0.

I do agree I hate seeing someone give an OK performance, even having a fall or huge landing errors and receive a big score.

However, it is gymnastics so it should be about athleticism not so much artistry but I do want more artistry in the game.

Is it true Shannon Miller was the first US gymnast the Ruskies actually respected? Shannon was fierce but they respected MLR and they certainly respected Kim Zmeskal but maybe not to the extent they did Shannon. Shannon actually trained with Russians for a bit in 1990.

R307: I suppose it was different there, but in european press Kim Zmerskal win on 1991 was not well recieved. There were a good bunch of articles saying Boginskaya was robbed (in gymnastics being the host country generally means some overscoring for the local gymnasts). The fact that Zmeskal failed big time at the Olympics didn't help her cause as a legitimate world champion (of course Boginskaya failed in her last apparatus too, but she end higher and she had a well earned reputation by then).

MLR was a thing of 1984, i suppose if she were competitive more years it would be different but she won the Olympics on a year where the biggest time at the time didn't compete, and that's all. And Olympic gold is an olympic gold but being a local gymnast and without any world championships great results i doubt nobody (outside of the USA) thinks on her when they think on american great gymnasts

R308 Well they hated Americans in most of gymnastics because they were ascendant and the others were the opposite. They saw Zmeskal and Miller coming for them. I think Shannon said in her book the Russian and Romanians made remarks in the press about her in 1991 saying she was the real threat.

R309: I wouldn't be surprised. I remember the bitchy comments about Nadia Comanecci from Olga Korbut and Nelly Kim, saying that Nadia won because she was overscored because they wanted the soviets be defeated when the truth is Nadia was way better than them, and she even deserved better in the floor final.

I think Zmeskal was looked like a new MLR, a big tumbler and nothing more, Miller was a totally different story, she was able to compete against them with the same weapons. The truth is Gutsu was way ahead of her time, her exercises are difficult even for today standards and when she was on she was unbeatable. But she was a shooting star. Miller was the dominant gymnast for the following years, even when she was a bit lucky in 2003 and 2004. In 2003 she was clearly the best gymnast but she underperformed a bit in the AA final and Dominique Dawes was on the verge of beating her. In 2004 Milosovici was the favourite, but Miller was very good that day (Dawes failed again on vault when she had a change to win or at least take a medal). It was a pity that she failed on floor on the Atlanta Olympics. I really liked Shannon, probably my fave american gymnast (clearly my fave from the old scoring system)

R310 Well Shannon was injured or sick in 93 and 94 so even with that, she still won. Speaks to how good she was. There is always a bit of luck in the sport. Shannon was plagued with injuries right up to and during Atlanta. I think she could have and would have won the AA that year if she was completely healthy.

She should have won over Guitsu. Shannon clearly had a 10 on her first vault.

Let me be clear- I stan for MLR but by no means agree with her abhorrent political views. Did she support Trump? I need receipts. I was in elementary when she won the gold and it was such a huge memory. I will always stan for her for that but her politics is disgusting and I doubt she's the best person IRL.

A lot of gymnasts have fucked up politics. MLR went with Steve Penny to Dianne Feinstein trying to get her to drop a bill requiring governing bodies to immediately report child and sex abuse allegations to authorities. Retton was correctly blasted and has gone somewhat undercover since everything exploded. Peter Vidmar resigned from the USOC because of his opposition to same sex marriage.

Isn't she a RePuglicunt?

Mary Lou rejected a US Team vs. Russia summit. She didn't want to tarnish her Gold medal. She was scared into early retirement by Kristi Phillips, a cute little bumpkin who could out do her on every element.

Saw Mary Lou on Regis Philbin after the Ols and he grilled her about the Russians not being there and suggested she maybe had it easier because of that. She just grinned and said she hoped to face them at the next Ols. Regis asked if she was training for that and she told him she was going to be doing commercials and a tv special and start acting classes in New York and her training would have to fit in that.

It would have been impossible for Retton to win the AA with a weak team. She should have been happy Dianne Durham switched gyms and injured herself before returning to Karolyis because she regularly beat her. A Retton/Durham led team would have been very strong.

I remember Diane Durham the beautiful African American gymnast who had a gymnast's body, not like MLR who looked like an overbaked potato.

Dianne definitely did not have a gymnast's body but it was somewhere in between the extreme weightlifter body of Retton and the anorexic ballerina look of an Ilienko. Here she was at her prime immediately after she left Karolyis.

Dianne Durham was very much a gymnastics version of Surya Bonaly.

This year's world championships are going to be very boring. The two gymnast rule will help to some countries to get some medals but USA team is miles better than any other this year, frankly if Simone, Morgan, Riley and Ragan could compete on the AA there are a lot of chances they end in first, second, third and fourth

r321

but they are acting like little brats on social media

Saw Nadia, Olga and Mary Lou on tour in 94. Nadia was great and in shape. Olga was old looking and tentative. She would cry after every routine and someone would rush out with a bouquet of flowers for her. She knew how to extend a bow and she got more applause the more she seemed pathetic. Mary Lou wore a skimpy t-shirt that was too too tiny for her ball shaped body. She did nothing difficult. She rolled around on the mat and didn't go in the air at all to do somersaults or the like. The crowd didn't care and she must have paid people in the crowd to shout 'we love you Mary Lou!' - her smile beamed and you could tell she loved the reaction of her fans. The place was sold out (Nashville).

Well there's a rumour that Simone and the new girls don't get along that well. There was supposed bitchy twitter comments between her and Hurd.

Nothing spice things up like a good rivaldry. Anyway Simone is miles better than anyone right now. Given the low quality of the last european championships they only thing that could be a threat for Simone's victory is herself failing big time and she is a very confident gymnast (even failing like in 2015 i don't think anybody could be a real threat).

The new code rewards difficulty and it's more accurate but make things a lot more predictable

Simone burst onto the scene right after an Olympics (2012), then went on to win 3 World AA Championships before 2016. She was such an overwhelming favorite for AA Gold at the Rio Olympics that I thought the pressure might get to her. I'm surprised she's continuing to be honest.

R325: She is very secure of herself. Watching gymnastic sometimes is hard, you fear for their safety all the time, and cross fingers they don't fail, but with Simone i just don't have any fear. She is human, so she makes mistakes, but they are so few that i always get the impression she is going to nail her performance.

She is by far the best gymnast of the new era (it's very difficult to compare this era with the perfect 10 era because the scoring system changed everything). I think she came back because she knows she can match Larissa Latynina and won another AA gold at Tokio. She opens her tumbling on floor with a Moors and ends with a Silivas which is totally insane (but i hope she changes the music, i don't like it at all),

R326, Simone is obviously a way greater gymnast but I felt the exact same way when I watched Retton. You weren't scared for her because of her competitive spirit.

R327: Yes, Simone is a very american gymnast (not like MIller or Liukin whom had a more european style). Detractors always say she has no artistry, but in my opinion what she doesn't have is the ballerina choreos (just doesn't fit her body type), but generally her fx routines fit her personality, they are upbeat and funny.

I would love to watch a gymnast given Simone a good fight for the sake of a tight competition, but i don't think it'll be in this world championships (or anytime soon)

Yelena Shushunova died today from pneumonia. Rest in peace.

I always loved her crazy floor routine in Seoul (full of now banned elments)

Kyla Ross and Madison Kocian were also victims of Nassar.

Can I finally have the gold medal she stole from me, R330?

R331: She didn't stole you anything, your failed vault and your trademark skill did it (but at least The Silivas is still an H on the code).

Andreea Raducan on the other hand can claim she was robbed big time

R331, You might have had a much better shot if you didn't do your hair in that terrible Toni perm.

I was definitely robbed! Elena was trans. I caught her pissing in the Seoul restroom standing up!

R333: That perm was terrible, but the music of that glorious fx routine was even worse. She was fantastic but that Mozart goes techno music was terrible. Only for that she deserved to lose.

Daniela was lucky enough Shushu had such a bad day on events finals, because there's no way in hell she get that bronze on vault if Elena was semidecent that day

r329

other than her middle pass, what is banned?

R336: Yes, the middle pass, but there are at least two things in that middle pass that are banned. I still cringe when i watch what she does with her knees

R337, what else is banned? The side 1 3/4 is banned because they don't want broken necks but what else.

What I liked about Shannon Miller is how consistent she was. I remember she would often nail her landings which was refreshing for an American gymnast at the time. If not for injuries from 95-96, I think she would have dominated and won her AA gold. Sucks she led 1/2 through the AA and had a subpar floor and vault. She was very injured but gave it her best. A healthy Shannon would have likely won a AA gold IMO.

Shannon was fat and old in 1996. And she wore a huge diaper underneath her leotard. Maybe she and Mary Lou both shared incontinence problems!

R338: After that she hits the floor with her knees to make the tumbling, that's banned too

R340: You should wash your mouth. Shannon is a tiny goddess

Simone is still a little rough but she still won the national championships AA very easily (and with the better score on every apparatus).

On the fight for the second spot Morgan Hurd was clearly the better of the rest

Whatever happened to Hernandez?

R343: Maybe she will try next year to make the Olympics but what she did is not understable.

Taking an off year is something even positive when you were competing for a good while, but not when you were in your first year of competition. She lost a big opportunity of doing great in the last world championships (without Simone).

And she is relying too much in her ability of making a come back. With the new rules you better be a great AA competitor with at least one great apparatus. Laurie never competed AA on a big event.

I know Gaby and Aly were able to make successful comebacks but they had a lot more experience. Gaby retiring after a year of competition didn't make that sense either but at least she was an olympic champion in AA

R341, my favorite Shannon routine ever!!

Although this one is a close second!

You are really mean (really really mean).

Shannon is my fave american gymnast ever (by far)

Shannon was always such a crybaby. By the time of that beam routine at R346, she had already won 3 gold medals at that meet. If she was feeling so unwell, why didn't she scratch the event final and let the alternate have a chance to compete?

r348 Cuz she is a badass and wanted to win. She isn't a quitter. Bitch won the AA in both 93 and 94 not being at 100%.

[quote] She isn't a quitter.

Tell that to the 1994 US World Gymnastics Team.

Also her screechy violin floor exercise music was an abortion for the ears.

r351 Don't hate the best. Learn and apply to the rest.

R352:

r348

she had won 2 golds by beam, AA and UB. She would win FX after that horrible beam though for her 3rd gold of the meet

Shannon was great AND annoying/overly dramatic.

Shannon will never be Olympic AA champion!!!

e353 No one is watching your stupid vids of Shannon mistakes. As if they all didn't stumble but you can't take she was the AA champ in 93 & 94 (despite being either ill or hurt) after her dominant (and robbed of gold) performance in 92.

that was for r353 ^^^

1993 was one of the weakest fields ever.

1994, Milo or Kochetkova should have won.

Also:

Shannon can kiss my gold-medal winning ass.

Meanwhile Shannon looks like a Wax Museum sculpture.

Stop being such a crybaby Shannon!

I like Shannon 100x better than Zmeskal. Look at it this way, people at least remember Shannon.

R362 they both married gay bottoms. They both got wht they deserved. I can smell the cum from Zmeskal's husband's breath wafting all the way from Texas

r359 in 93, even with the beam error, she was years ahead of everyone especially with the former soviets being so clueless and lost

in 94, no way in hell should Milo have won with her shitty bars and beam! Kotchevkova was excellent in 94 but only had a 9.9 VT, I still think Miller was the best in 94 though, Dina should have beat Milo though

Shannon missed a great opportunity to endorse diapers while she was competing! Only gymnast to wear pampers under her leo while competing.

I thought this thread was about ME, an actual Olympic AA champion.

To the triggered Shannon hater- Sure, Jan!

Shannon stan = Shannon's mom

R366: Oh Mary Lou, but there's so little to talk about you, you were basically a one hit wonder and without all the soviets that was a little insipid.

And yes she'll never be AA olympic champion but she was second in the best olympic final ever, a lot of amazing gymnasts in that final.

She was clearly the best gymnast in the world in 1993 and even in a not so great day she was the best in the final (Dawes failing big time on vault help her for sure). She was not the best in 1994, but it was not her fault she was solid while the others fail. Hey Podkopayeva won the worlds and the olympics that way.

And she is the american gymnasts that people who hate american gymnastics (big tumbling with no grace) love

[quote] but she was second in the best olympic final ever, a lot of amazing gymnasts in that final.

The 1996 Olympic AA Final was much more competitive, with better AA gymnasts.

R370: Ha ha ha haa ha . Good one.

Are you talking of the olympics where everybody fail but Lilia? Come on, Dawes and Miller were in the lead before failing big time on floor.

Atlanta is not even close to Barcelona or Seoul

There were legitimately around 12 gymnasts who could have medaled in the AA in Atlanta.

Who were the great AA threats in 92? Fat ass Zmeskal? Boginskaya past her prime?

R372: Maybe the ridiculous theatrics of the team final are bluring your judgement but the AA final was not exactly that good, in fact almost all favourites failed more or less.

And by the way past her prime Boginskaya was only 0.3 of gold, and with that kind of performance she probably would have won in Atlanta (and got a medal for sure)

[quote] [R372]: Maybe the ridiculous theatrics of the team final are bluring your judgement but the AA final was not exactly that good, in fact almost all favourites failed more or less.

Did I ever say the 1996 AA final ended up being great, muffintop?

No, I did not. I just said that it was an exceptionally deep field of athletes, at least 12 of whom could have possibly medaled depending on how things played out.

R374: And so what? It's the same in Barcelona and the quality was way better

Oh yeah, R375? Name the 12 gymnasts who had a realistic shot of medaling in 92.

R376: You first, please. It would be very interesting to know who were the 12 wonders of 1996

And i still think there's a big difference in quality between both Olympics. Almost everyone except Podkopayeva and the always solid (but incredibly boring) Gogean didn't had flaws. The fact that a gymnast who was very far from her peak like Amanar got a bronze speaks clearly of how many favourites failed

Poor Shannon hater. This thing is frantic to lessen Shannon's achievements.

In sports, people fail all the time. It is who doesn't fail at that particular meet that matters. Shannon clearly dominated 92-94. 93-94 She was sick and/or hurt yet still won the AA. She was well on her way to winning the AA in 96 (again she was not 100%) when she faltered on the floor. But that's the way the ball bounces. She fought through so much pain to consistently win.

Her 92 AA vaults were perfection and the first one was clearly a 10.

[quote] She was well on her way to winning the AA in 96 (again she was not 100%) when she faltered on the floor.

You are stupid and insane to think Shannon was "well on her way to winning the AA in 96." Either that, or you're Shannon's [notorious] mother. Or that "Shanfan" chick who had that creepy lesbionic website dedicated to her.

The judges would have handed the title to Mo Huilan, Dawes, Amanar, Podkopayeva, hell even Khorkina before Miller even got a whiff of the gold.

[quote] The fact that a gymnast who was very far from her peak like Amanar got a bronze speaks clearly of how many favourites failed

Amanar was at her peak watchability in 96. Unless you think she was greater during her later years, with that increasing abortion of a bar routine.

r379 Nope. And you know you're full of shit. She and Dawes was leading until her falter. You must be that insane Shannon hater who stalks her all over the nation yelling about how lucky she was to win the AA 2 years in a row or who runs the website with a voodoo doll of her.

[quote] how lucky she was to win the AA 2 years in a row

This is true!

[quote] or who runs the website with a voodoo doll of her.

This is hilarious! I wish I could take credit for this, but alas, I cannot!

Now please go drown yourself inside Shannon' hairy muff!

r382 Awww you're so triggered. What fave of yours did Shannon destroy? Bwhahahahahahaha

You're right. I am triggered... by Shannon's gross, oily , fat face!

r384 ooooo what a burn! Bwhahahahahahahaha NOT

Kathy Johnson was so messed up by Gymnastics she did't get her period until she was 25.

I cannot imagine Mary Lou Retton having sex.

Mary Lou's pussy stinks. I smelt it once!

r388 must be why he loves that smelly romanian pussy.

Marcia Frederick has proposed a class action suit against her former gym owners Muriel Grossfeld and George Ward. In, I'm sure, a completely unrelated incident, one week after hearing about the lawsuit, Grossfeld had a massive stroke. Having dealt with Grossfeld, she's a pious sanctimonious fraud who rode Frederick's gold medal to her own glory. She was always talking about doing things the right way but she was caught and the curtain was coming down on her. Being revealed as an enabler and hypocrite was too much for her massive ego to take.

I know Simone Biles is one of the best gymnasts of all time and the best by far from the new era (with the new score system) but i would love someone will be able to challenge her. Knowing she will win (easily) made the next world championship way less interesting. Right now the only interest it's to watch who will be the second american in the AA competition (McCusker or Hurd) and who will be the third in the podium (my bet is Murakami)

what is this damn midget up to these days??

Mary SNATCH rotten

Simone, not even at her best, was dominant at Worlds. The rest of the world cannot compete with the USA now. They could easily field two teams and win team Gold and Silver and probably have the top 3 to 5 gymnasts in the world.

Was Mary Lou SHRILL?

Did she SHRIEK??

Mary Lou got DIVORCED!

She found her husband sucking cock underneath the balance beam!

She rooka rike man.

Tell me about it, R397.

I never liked her. She was always so fake and perky.

I can't imagine her having sex.

We’re/are any of the female gymnasts considered to be pretty? Not even Kathy Rigby, who resembled Scott Hamilton with a weave.

Nevermind. Somebody else on this thread describes sex with Mary Lou Retton thus:

[quote] A demonic midget Frau descends upon Fire Island. One gay man after another awakes to find the evil dwarf flipping, somersaulting, and twisting on to their morning erection forcing penetration and conversion "therapy".

Sounds about right!

[quote] We’re/are any of the female gymnasts considered to be pretty?

Very few. Many look like undernourished, anorexic dwarves. Only Svetlana Boginskaia, who competed as a woman, and looked like an adult woman, ever gave off any possible 'sex appeal.'

They have odd shapes...broad, mannish shoulders and no hips.

mary lou was very brave to come forward about her anal fissures

does mary lou still wear diapers?

MLR was the bomb. The best. Fuck those Russian cheater.

Look, no belts or pins!

she's still a perfect 10!

Russians were roided up. MLR would have beaten their asses either way.

She’s a perfect 10.

For some reason the Marcy character on Married With Children reminded me of MLR.

[quote]does mary lou still wear diapers?

No, but she still shits herself.

Was Mary Lou a slut?

Unfortunately, not.

Was she a friend ofgays?

Vault was her only memorable event. She's not in the same league as Nadia.

She fucking killed the vault.

[quote]Most atheletes couldn't afford to stay Olympic eligible for that long. Most did compete in the worlds after the Olympics. It was considered bad form not to finish the season.

Completely incorrect. Until 1992, Word Championships were not held every year. In the 70s they were held every four years, and in the 1980s they were held every other year, and is never held during an Olympic year (there have been less than a handful of occasions when they have held Apparatus finals only, and those were done prior to the Olympics).

[quote]Vault was her only memorable event. She's not in the same league as Nadia.

No, she had floor exercise too. No one else at the time was throwing a double layout and certainly not the way she did it.

R420, okay, I can concede that. Did the floor have springs back then?

No springs. Foam padding. They didn't even have springs at the 92 games.

MLR also had a Full-in to accompany her Double Layout.

I also think it's funny she had a skill on the Uneven Bars named after her when she was so terrible on them.

Will she be speaking at the virtual RNC?

dunno, R423.

but goodness this thread brings back some great memories.

She should be back in the spotlight these days because all the kids are into hearing about wet ass pussy.

[quote]Is it true Shannon Miller was the first US gymnast the Ruskies actually respected? Shannon was fierce but they respected MLR and they certainly respected Kim Zmeskal but maybe not to the extent they did Shannon. Shannon actually trained with Russians for a bit in 1990.

No and no.

Miller was not, "respected," by the Russians any more than Zmeskal or Retton. She also didn't train "with" the Russians. She went to a camp in Russia.. she did not train WITH them.

Also, she wasn't the first "true great American gymnast." In order to be that, she would have needed to not cheat her way on to two Olympic squads.

[quote]I suppose it was different there, but in european press Kim Zmerskal win on 1991 was not well recieved. There were a good bunch of articles saying Boginskaya was robbed (in gymnastics being the host country generally means some overscoring for the local gymnasts). The fact that Zmeskal failed big time at the Olympics didn't help her cause as a legitimate world champion (of course Boginskaya failed in her last apparatus too, but she end higher and she had a well earned reputation by then).

This actually wasn't true. There were a few articles saying Boginskaya was robbed, but it wasn't as big of a deal as that. Further, people forget that she went back to Europe and snatched two more World Titles with all the big names present to compete.

[quote]Shannon said in her book the Russian and Romanians made remarks in the press about her in 1991 saying she was the real threat.

Of course Shannon would say that, she's as full of shit as her coaches.

Wasn't Boginskaya watering down her routines by 1992? Her routines seemed rather basic in comparison to the difficulty being thrown by her teammates, i.e. Gutsu and Lyssenko.

[quote]Well Shannon was injured or sick in 93 and 94 so even with that, she still won. Speaks to how good she was. There is always a bit of luck in the sport. Shannon was plagued with injuries right up to and during Atlanta. I think she could have and would have won the AA that year if she was completely healthy. She should have won over Guitsu. Shannon clearly had a 10 on her first vault.

Shannon coasted on her name after 93. And people often forget how over scored on bars and beam she was when the argument is made over who should have won.

Miller did not deserve the 1993 World AA title. She was ridiculously overscored on beam.

Shannon haters are dumb and triggered. She didn’t need the dumb fuck on the decline Russians’ respect. She beat them. They had to cheat. MLR showed them up and would have beaten them in 84. She thrived on competition.

And some of us who don't lick Shannon's scrunchie are realistic.

R432, I respect Shannon's achievements, but she was never even my fave American gymnast of the '90s. In fact, along with Gina Gogean and Milosovici, I think they were given the most gifts the entire decade.

R429, yes she did water down some of her routines. Apparently she could throw a double twisting yurchenko.

It was remarkable that she was able to upgrade her difficulty in 96.

Bogey was not that great. Lumbering Sasquatch.

It was all about Mo Huilan, bitches.

Mo Huilan.. talk about robbed. There was no way she shouldn't have won silver.

Although I never understood how her beam routine was out of a 10.

R438, I'll never understand how Shannon didn't get a 0.5 deduction for this disastrous compulsory bar set. Just one example of how she received some generous scores in her day.

Wasn't that the Worlds where she abandoned her team and Kerri, in typical fashion, shaded the fuck out of her?

R440, yes! But to be fair, Shannon sorta deserved it -- Nunno always made it about just her/Dynamo, never the team.

That was also the Worlds where DL Gym Fan Favorite, Amy Chow, fell 7 times.

Shannon got generous scores. Boohoo. Like the others didn’t.

R443 = Claudia Miller

R422, that's impressive that those gymnasts were able to pull off that level of difficult tumbling sans springs. Also, no wonder gymnasts seem able to bounce and spring around today seemingly more easily.

R445 that's exactly why people like Simone have been able to do such amazing things on Floor and Vault that they never would have been able to do if they were competing in the early 90s. That's why you haven't seen that much innovation on bars or beam, since the equipment on those events haven't really changed.

More impressive is if you look at the skills someone like Gutsu was doing back in 91-92 and realize those skills are still being competed and still considered difficult.

The one thing I love about Shannon is how she's sort of, if not unapologetic, then unaware, narcissist.

She manages to make everything about her, and I seriously love it.

If it's, Olympic Day, then she reasonably posts about the success she had at her first Olympics.

If Simone Biles wins breaks another record by winning an event, she congratulates her by posting a photo of herself on the podium talking about how it reminds her of when she won her first Nationals.

If it's International Ice Cream day, she'll post a photo of herself on Beam and talk about how she remembers winning Gold and celebrating with a cone after!

It's hilarious.

R446, wasn't Gutsu's beam dismount one of the most difficult ever performed in the world up until Simone's double-double?

Mary Lou won 5 Olympic medals. I won 18.

Mary Lou won 5 Olympic medals. I won 18.

Mary Lou also did more than just a few cartwheels.

R448, yes. Gutsu and Miller both did Full-Twisting Double Backs as their beam dismounts. The difference was, Miller did hers out of a round off and Gutsu did hers from three back handsprings, out of a standing position.

Gutsu's technical difficulty was actually really phenomenal and I'd argue more impressive than Biles, considering the era and equipment that was being used. The fact that Gutsu's routines / elements were still considered difficult, and still being performed, more than twenty years after she competed is phenomenal.

Also amazing to think about is how her routines were so difficult in 92 and those were watered down. Prior to Barcelona she had been competing a DTY on vault and on floor she had been dismounting with a double layout.

r438

That code was tricky because there were lots of bonus for lower level combos like I think B+B got bonus

r439

It wasn't a fall though, she had to repeat an element so that was a .3 deduction not the .5 for a fal

Yes, but had it been any other gymnast the score would have been lower.

However, for an even more ridiculous score go watch Bontas' compulsory beam from 92. She barely stays on and manages a 9.9. Talk about favors.

R452, I always liked Gutsu's split-leg double layout on floor. I don't know if she originated it, but it was a cool skill that you don't see often anymore.

R455 she claims to have invented it by mistake. She was doing her normal double layout and accidentally did the splits. However, I don't believe it was ever named after her. Neither was the standing full back tuck on beam. She claims to be the first to do that as well, but I remember reading somewhere that another gymnast had done it in the mid-80s.

There is one collegiate gymnast that does the split double layout. I don't remember who. While I thought it was cool that Gutsu did it, the problem was, she never landed it cleanly.

Speaking of Gutsu, someone did a breakdown of her 1992 Beam Routine and calculated what its value would be in today's CoP . Because the codes are different, she'd not have much of a score because she's missing one required element, a front acrobatic series. So if she were to take her exact same routine and simply add an aerial front walk over to the routine, her routine would be worth a 6.0. making it one of the most difficult beam sets being competed... TWENTY EIGHT years after she competed it.

That says everything about how far advanced she was and I'd personally consider her more remarkable than Biles.

R457, I've always liked Gutsu and I'm glad she won the AA. I know she received lots of criticism before for not being the typical Soviet gymnast regarding her form and elegance, but compared to routines nowadays, she might as well have been a ballerina.

Gymnastics has become much more difficult to watch, which I suspect is why a lot of these threads end up becoming discussion about '80s/'90s gymnastics instead.

r456

She was able to do the pass earlier in the year but you're correct that she didn't land it cleanly in Barcelona

r457

According to this, it would be a 5.7

R458 the previous Gymnastics Threads were some of my all time favorites. I laugh hysterically re-reading the posts. Some of those posts are classic DL wit.

R460 yes, because she doesn't have the required front acrobatic skill. All she'd need to do is add an aerial walk over and she'd get the .3 for that skill making it a 6.0 value.

R461, yes, those threads were hilarious classics!

r462

Did you watch the video? I'm not a code expert but that vid says she does have a front element and it's still 5.7 and I think the requirement elements are worth .5 not .3

She does not have a front aerial skill at all in that routine. If she added one it would make her score valued at 6.0 as long as she didn't lose any connection.

Gutsu that good? No. Her fan boys are hysterical. She barely beat Miller whom you idiots call so-so. Shouldn’t have been in the all around. Not many other titles. She was doing hard stuff but couldn’t be consistent which means she couldn’t do hard stuff. She fell or her scores weren’t high enough to get those titles. Gutsu was so overrated and wilted under her too demanding routines.

Shannon's scrunchie surfaces again.

No one said Miller was "so-so."

Claudia, you can justify it any way you want... Shannon's only worth silver.

Balance beam was the only event I ever really appreciated Miller on.

Her bars had releases with low amplitude and distracting grip changes. Plus that sad DLO dismount towards the end of her career.

And her FX with that screeching violin music!

Even Miller admits she had no business doing that double layout and that it was a mistake to do it at the Olympics.

*The Double Layout on Floor.

I didn't care either way about the thread, until I found out she was a Deplorable. Too bad she didn't crack her cunt on that beam in 1984.

I have a feeling MLRs vagina wouldn't have been cracked by the beam... the beam would be cracked by her vagina.

Retton was everywhere endorsing stuff for awhile, but I still got her confused with the another female athlete---the one who did ChapStick commercials.

Is she supporting this prez? I’ve heard nothing.

I am neutral on the topic of Mary Lou Retton, but the OTT hatred in this thread literally has me doubled over in laughter. No exaggeration.

Don't ever change, datalounge!

R475 go visit the Kathy Johnson thread.

[quote] I have a feeling MLRs vagina wouldn't have been cracked by the beam... the beam would be cracked by her vagina.

Didn't Mary Lou do the full twisting pussy smasher move on balance beam?

She wishes, R477. MLR barely walked on the beam.

And the only person who has ever smashed their pussy on beam and then rubbed her clit after on National TV.. is the one and only, gymnastics wonder, Amanda Borden.

R477, Mary Lou did not perform the rulfova, lol.

R475, I think I know who deserves a gymanstics hate thread of her own!

Steve Nunno's Stache.

^Borat always reminded me a bit of Nunno

R478, lmao. I remember Amanda doing that on live TV! Mary Lee must have been mortified

Mary Lou Wettin’

R483, Mary Lee was mortified because she had spent years teaching Amanda that sort of thing was reserved in private, while in the company of a married man.

The US won zero medals in the 1983 and 1985 world championships so no, they would probably not done as well if the Russian block were present in LA. MLR might have won a medal but the Russians and East Germans would have taken the rest along with the Romanians.

R486 They would have. MLR would have won gold. She was fire that night.

r487

thanks for making me laugh! MLR would probably be top 8 but no way the winner with everyone there

R486 you sre so full of shit. Your post clearly indicates you don't k ow what you're talking about.

R486 you sre so full of shit. Your post clearly indicates you don't k ow what you're talking about.

I agree. You cannot be the true or rightful Olympic Champion if the best was not there to compete. alooking at you, Gabby!

I just want to randomly add that I'm so glad Khorkina fell on her Sydney vaults! I bet if the vault was adjusted to the right height, she still would have choked on the UB.

Oops, forgot to sign my post at R492.

Khorkina... Speaking of overrated gymnasts who was gifted half their titles.... .glad Nelli Kim keeps removing her skills from the code. Sure Kim is a self serving tyrant, but I'm pleased nonetheless.

R494, I have to agree with you, Shannon. I still have no clue how the hell she won that '96 Worlds uneven bars gold! She must have been blowing the judges because she made a huge mistake here!

All these gymnastics threads always get filled up with great information and wonderful bitchiness. DL at it's absolute best because the posters know their gymnastics.

Almost as inexplicable as Shannon winning Floor with a two year old, weak ass, routine.

But go burn yourself with another curling iron, Piskun!

I also wanted to address someone above...

It's totally not ridiculous to assert that Shannon and Dominique leading after one rotation meant they were well on their way to winning AA.

Perfectly reasonable!!!

R498 Miller lead after 2 rotations.

Yes, after her two best events. She wasn't going to win Gold. 95 solidified that.

She did uneven bars second- not her best event. You lose.

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R501 what are you smoking, Claudia?

Are you going to try to claim that bars and beam were not her best events and floor and vault were? OH MY FUCKING SIDES.

That makes you a loser twice. The first time was when you said she competed bars second.

[quote]Miller lead after 2 rotations.

Also, no she didn't, Dawes did.

I'm leaving this here because it is too hilarious/batshit crazy to describe.

Miller was best. Period. Russian trolls have invaded because, we’ll, their best days were over gymnasts. Miller was solid on vault. She did 2 perfect vaults in the 92 Individual all around. She had solid floor and was a beam specialist. Suck it Russian queens.

And Gutsu has the Gold.

Suck it, Shannon's Scrunchie!

R507 cheating but that’s not surprising from that area.

Cheating... you mean Shannon's mode of getting on two Olympic squads?

R509 yeah right

mmhmm.

R511 You know it’s true.

I know it's true, that's why I said it.

Fact that most would be surprised to learn... Boginskaya was the second female gymnast to do a double twisting double back on floor. She did it back in 1985, withoit benefit of springs in the floor like gymnasts have today.

[quote] Also, no she didn't, Dawes did.

Dawes was a rather heartbreaking gymnast to be a fan of. She had the goods to win multiple AA titles, but just had that mental block. She always pulled through for the team though.

R515, I for one thought her mental blocks were fabulous!!!

R516, Shannon, shouldn't you be busy marrying another gay husband or getting more plastic surgery?

Does Mary Lou still poo her pants?

R517, Tatiana, stop being so bitter that I was named the Porcelain Princess for my grace and beauty and you were dubbed the, "Painted Bird," of Odessa because they obviously thought your make up made you look like a whore.

I got old ass Brenda Vacaro and her death rattles fired from TAMPAX!!

To be honest, I thought Shannon was named the Porcelain Princess because her damn screechy violin floor music made everyone want to vomit.

R521, I don't understand how Shannon ever became a world FX gold medalist!

R522

93 was not the best final and Shannon was definitely the best but if anything Kerri Strug should have won or Medallas if Nunno had just made sure she had the correct start value

^You mean if Nunno could have broken your frog legs and teach you to have any semblance of form or grace, Kerri.

Also, Shannon being the "best" on an event like floor. Thanks for the laughter!

if you think this routine was better than Miller's then we will agree to disagree

obviously Elena is still bitter over Shannon's withdrawal from VT finals

Elena is bitter that Shanon withdrew to save her reputation of sucking at vault?

That makes a lot of sense..... if your scrunchie is pulled too tight.

Best Shannon Miller performance at '93 Worlds below!

In all seriousness, Nunno claimed the reason for Miller's wretched beam was because she was feeling sick. But if she was feeling sick, why didn't she withdraw and let the alternate gymnast take her EF spot? Just another example of Nunno/Miller being selfish.

R527 especially since she was capable of withdrawing for the vault finals.

She was too sick for vault but not for beam which she fell off of a bunch of times because she was sick.. but wasn't sick for floor.

Mary Snatch Rotten

I find it sort of hilarious that after all these years Tom Forrester probably thought he was finally going to the Olympics in some capacity and then didn't get to.. and now they've snatched the opportunity away from him for 2021.

It’s crazy they gave perfect 10s when people hopped on the landing as Nadia, Mary Lou, and Szabo did. I do think Mary Lou would’ve won the Gold with the Russians there. She thrived on the competition and was peaking in summer ‘84.

Hopefully this response coming from me is self-evident!

It depends on what the COP was like back then though. A slide on a dismount might not have been considered a deduction.

What's crazy to me is that they haven't changed the code to make an out of bounds or a fall have a bigger deduction with the new point system. The fact that it's still only a tenth of a point to step out of bounds, the same as it was in the 80s, is ridiculous.

Deductions for falls and steps out of bounds should be calculated as a percentage of the total score, ie, a step out is a deduction of 10% off your score, a fall is a 30% deduction, etc. There needs to be higher stakes.

If Biles' claims that the FIG hates her so much are true, they should have already adopted this. With as many times as she goes out of bounds she'd never have won a title!

R534 Not true. She’d change her routine and easily win.

Not likely. Simone dominates by her difficulty.. however she has shown she consistently goes out of bounds doing those moves. If she were severely deducted for the out of bounds, she'd have to decrease the difficulty, which would in turn make it so it was easier for her competitors to have routines closer to the same value.

But regardless, the point is, the penalty should have been consistent to the rules that were set up in previous decades. No one should be able to fall on a routine and still medal just because their value is so high.

Simone is so far above the others on other events except uneven bars it wouldn’t matter. She’s great.

I'm 97.2% sure that Simone has had the highest execution in most of her wins(minus the 18 AA where she di win due to her difficulty)

That is true, however it would tighten up the competition and it would make it really difficult for someone to still win if they were superior on all other events and came to floor and went out of bounds once (or twice) or with a fall, and still win (As Simone recently did at the US Classic)... if she had incurred a 10% and 30% deduction.

Mary can’t be there this year to cheer on Biles.

Shannon can't be there either...

She's too busy saying Novenas hoping that the Games gets cancelled.

Shannon held that title for a long time. 25 years. Not bad.

r542

it really is and I highly doubt anyone will ever beat Simone's record

It's not exactly over for Shannon yet... many a gymnast have gone into the Olympics with expectations of huge medal hauls and have choked spectacularly!

Also, anything can happen! Teammates sometimes sabotage you by trying to set your board wrong so you can't even make it to the games. It's especially worrisome when they belong to your own club and have a mother with criminal background... not that I'm talking about Jordan Chiles, or anything!

And also not like I would know what I'm talking about!

Mary Lou is coming back to win that all inclusive Olympic medal! Watch out, Simone!

She got lucky. The Russians boycotted that Olympics. They were the real powerhouse team at that time. (plus the Romanians)

She probably wouldn't have won if they had been there.

R547 Don’t even! She beat the Russians in comps before ‘84. It’s true. Look it up. She BEAT the Romanians fair and square. She would have won regardless.

The only person who ever unfairly won Gold was Tatiana Gutsu!!!

I'm glad Shannon Miller and her scrunchie's legacy is finally coming to an end!

What a legacy, though!

Shannon was the first US female to get an individual gold medal in gymnastics in a non-boycotted Olympics. That would last another 8 years, so her legacy is sealed.

Shannon was in one of the all time best Individual All Arounds of all time in 1992. Lost by the closest margin ever. For that, I have a soft spot. Her final two vaults were perfect.

Don’t most of the more recent gymnasts hate Mary lou retton because she defended the karolis and nassar?

R554 Do they?

[quote]Shannon was the first US female to get an individual gold medal in gymnastics in a non-boycotted Olympics. That would last another 8 years, so her legacy is sealed.

Yeah, but it was in her home Country so it doesn't count!

[quote] That would last another 8 years, so her legacy is sealed.

So is her overly-botoxed face.

Tatiana is enjoying her normal post Russian gymnast life as a hooker.

Tatiana accursed vitaly scherbo of raping her the year before the Barcelona games.

I told Vitaly before the Individual All Around!

R559, Shannon paid him in rubles before All Around. It still didn't get her the gold medal.

R561 Cheaters become low paid Russian hookers

You would know about cheating Shannon, wouldn't you? Little Miss never made it to an Olympic Trials without petitioning.

Steve Nunno sucked cocks for some of Shannon's medals.

I wish Steve would have sucked some cock for a medal for ME>

r565

Kerri should have been a medalist on FX(maybe even gold) in 93 if Nunno knew how to construct a fucking routine

R566... with those disgusting Kermit double layouts? I think not.

Also, R566, don't be ridiculous by saying Papa Bear Steve didn't know how to construct a routine. Are you daft? Mine was so good, I not only WON the gold in 1993 but I used the same routine for 2 whole years until the judges threatened that if I didn't change it they'd start deducting a tenth!

Commence screeching violins NOW.

Milo was robbed in '93!

It's okay, Milo. They made it up to you by giving you an undeserved Bronze in the AA in 96.

None of you bitches were as good as me!

Why does it stink after I fart?

R571? Really?

Gutsu, Miller, and Milosovici placing ahead of you says otherwise!

Mary Lou Cunton and Caitlyn Jenner will probably in an attention whore competition in 2028 when the Oympics are held in the US.

I guess I’l bring up Beth again in this dead thread.

When she came back from the dead, Beth C was nowhere near as beautiful and dynamic as she was when Beth returned after she and Phillip divorced. She grew much better with age even though she was far from ugly before. Just…..plain. She didn’t have Judi’s edge. Boy how she came back the 2nd time completely different looks and edge-wise. I don’t think it was all the writing though Beth was assassinated as a character on her 2nd return. I always wondered if Pam Long saw how they wrote her then. I bet she’d have been as pissed off as Vincent Irizarry was.

Wrong damn thread! Ugh. Sorry.

She made me hate the word 'embolden'. In some puff piece article, "EMBOLDENED by a bowl of chicken noodle soup." A soldier is emboldened to fight to defend his/her/whatever the fuck pronoun they must be called, country. Oy!