Sarah Ferguson AKA Duchess of York is BAAAAAAACK!!!

Is it true that at an event with all the royals on stage she ran over and pushed QEII off the stage?

That happened on the "Royal Fam Dram: Live from London" episode of the late great "Jerry Springer Show".

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And it ain't Earl Grey.

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There is a song for every occasion.

Nice to see her having a laugh with Liz. The Queen has known Fergie since she was a child and really enjoys her company (probably more so than some of her own children.) It's Phil that can't stand her because she 'embarrassed the Royal Family', but he's been known to do that himself on occasion.

Andy even then liked underage gals......

Tell me wise DLers. Why do these royals always wear their hats at that absurd angle? Is there a law? Does everyone in England? Even Meghan now. When did this become a thing?

Everything you ever wanted to know about it, r10.

She’s fun to watch from a distance. I bet she’s a horrorshow if you have to deal with her closely. One of those people who’s a fun acquaintance, but you don’t want to work for her or be a close relation.

What's her latest entrepreneu, um, GRIFT?

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Fergie is a little charmer.

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Sarah is going to make YUGE'S wedding all about Fergie. Watch this space.

It's a good thing Philip is too old to attend Ascot otherwise you'd never see Fergs in the Royal Ascot box.

My God. Was she drunk?

She's always sozzled, R19.

I can't wait until this bare legs trend is over. So few white women have the legs and skin tone to make it work.

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That article R13 references the ubiquitous 'tuxedo tails' at formal British weddings. It's a North American media piece, so my question on this ghastly term I've never heard before, is this how Americans term 'Morning Dress'?

I'm aware 'tuxedo' is equivalent terminology for the more technically correct sartorial term 'dinner jacket' in referencing formal evening dress for men and some women.

^^ forgot my link.

[not to hijack a fun thread on the laugh riot dear Sarah is or isn't to be with in company dubious or social position sanctioned!]

R18, Remember, though, that she attended Meghan and Harry's wedding, as did the Queen and Prince Philip. They didn't sit together, but they were at least in the same chapel. I give credit to Harry for breaking that barrier. Maybe now that it's been broken, and the world didn't stop spinning, the Royal Family will relax their attitude a bit about her. After all, what are they planning to do about Eugenie's upcoming wedding? Sarah isn't going to be banned, but I can't imagine any of the Royals boycotting the wedding to avoid her, either.

You heard it here (earlier in the Dangling Tendrils thread) and from me first: what's brewing is the remarriage of Andy and Fergie because Kate's last baby pushed Andy into 7th place, and only the first six in line need the Queen's permission to marry. So, as with Sparkle, HM is making the best of it and letting Fergie back in the fold to avoid the spectacle of Andy telling her to go fuck herself as remarries the love of his life.

This is made yet more feasible by the fact that the Duke of Edenburgh is circling the drain. He hates Fergie's guts but he's h'ors de combat now, fangs pulled.

That I should live to see this.

R26 - replying to my own post, that is "Duke of Edinburgh"

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She's so ugly!

R29 = Duchess of Sussex keepin' it real gurl.

R26, If we should see that, then the circle will be complete. Charles is happily remarried to Camilla. Anne is happy remarried. Andrew should be remarried to Sarah, who still lives with him. I know the Diana fans want Charles to perish in some pit of hell, but the fact remains that he loved Camilla long before he met Diana.

The circle of life will be complete, AND there will be more Royal Wedding gift bags with lovey fridge magnets and lucrative 20% off coupons!

Um, Anne is quietly separated, r31.

R14 am actually sipping some Laurent Perrier Rose right now! Is this a tacky drink in England?

Test no. 1: Do you look like this, r34?

Fergie was such a mixed bag in the Kitty Kelly book. She' can be sensible but then so so so reckless, greedy and dumb.

The queen appears to have a soft spot for rogues, male and female. But also - Fergie is a country girl and loves to ride horses. Sure she appreciates her luxury, but in her auto bio, she described how there's nothing so wonderful as riding in the early morning at Balmoral, with a willing horse and fresh air. That kind of thing is right up the queen's alley.

R35 - I look like that only when I’m caught grifting.

Then it's you're perfect drink, r37!!

Did she wear the same dress that she wore to Harry's wedding for good luck?

Fergie's dress at the wedding was more décolletée, r39. She looked more 'demure' at Ascot.

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R41 - thank you for ruining my nightcap

R41 — Nah. I usually go when my rose blooms. I will spare everyone pix that illustrate my point.

The night is young!

Was she Win, Place, or Show?

Fergie was a nasty looking child. Redheads are freaks.

R46 Them is fighting words. Ginger is beautiful.

Setting aside that some people think the BRF killed Diana, Diana broke all kinds of traditions and protocol without true repercussions. The reality is, all of that is like a social contract. The only way stuff like merching will ever stop is not via traditions and expectations and rules set down by the BRF (i.e., the BRF is not for sale), but by consumer watch groups / agencies which finally crack down on the way the customer is lied to and exploited and played for a fool

Diana used to leave the table at Balmoral and at Sandringham when the queen was there - absolutely verbotten, but it happened. Repercussions? People were annoyed by her. Or she'd decline to come down at all. OTOH, even when she was merely 19 she dressed properly - sometimes it might be silly but it was never in appropriate - and handled all of the public protocol very handily. Curtsying to this one and that, whether Princess Grace, the queen or some other senior royal. Wore the jewelry like she was born in it - didn't look like a costume, just looked natural on her while she kept on seeming accessible. So she had her attributes, and if she weren't a nutjob and Charles weren't bananas himself, she was probably good at the job, just not good at the marriage.

Before Diana nobody dreamed of a senior royal doing a personal confessional on television about intimate marital matters, let alone Charles himself responding with his own interview.

Andrew is far and away the queen's favorite, and hasn't he been selling out his status as a royal for his entire adult life? That time a drunk Fergie was caught out trading cash for access, we don't think Andrew didn't know she was doing that, do we? That he didn't get his cut, or it was her way of supplementing the household income? What repercussions has he felt? Fergie felt some, not him, but it's his game and grift as much as hers. The BRF is all b.s. in my opinion.

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She always looks rode hard and put away wet.

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I think the talk is silly that he'd remarry Fergie, but the woman DOES live with him and mostly always has save for the time she stayed behind at Sunninghill Park until it rotted. Do I think they live together romantically, as husband and wife-ish? No. But I do think he feels responsible for her and I also think it's a birds of a feather thing, having known each other all their lives. Plenty of exes have similarly bizarre-seeming arrangements. In his case, he's in the Royal Lodge. If they get on and there's no resentment, what's the difference if she's there - it's plenty big enough for both and then some.

The remarriage issue raises for me questions about the rest of his love life. I don't think the remarriage rumors would be out there if he didn't want them out there, and if he does, it's not because he's in love with Fergie, but because it shows his intentions or lack of intentions towards whomever he is seeing, whether one person or several. The Fergie thing can also serve as a convenient blind.

Her curtseys are ridiculous... like a parody of what she means to do.

She's harmless, but equally hopeless.

R48 - No downside? She lost her marriage, she lost her HRH. She never wanted a divorce, she thought her antics would force the BRF and Charles to dance to her tune. Instead, eventually, they cost her everything she married Charles for. One of the reasons she died that night was because she'd also given up her official protection officer (Ken Wharfe, the only survivor, was on Fayed's payroll, not the BRF's). She had trouble finding places to go in the summer when the boys were up at Balmoral with the Queen and their father. She lost so much by defying certain expectations that when she needed the BRF to cover her back, instead they threw her to the wolves. She did all right financially, but with all his flaws, moving from the Prince of Wales to that pathetic sleazy man-child showed just how far she had fallen when she exited the BRF.

I'd say the price Diana paid was astronomical. And leaving the table before the Queen, something she wouldn't have dared to do whilst touting herself as the perfect bride for Charles before he proposed, wasn't daring, it was churlish and petulant. That was the life she craved entrance to. When she got it, it turned out to have a price, and she tried to change the terms of the bargain.

Remind you of someone?

The only survivor that night was Trevor Rees Jones. Ken Wharfe was one of Diana's policemen, before she ditched official protection.

R56 - correct - my memory error.

She lost because she and Charles failed at their marriage. Not because she rebelled with protocol. Two different things. And it was only private protocol where she chafed. In public, especially looking back now at video, she was pretty faultless.

R58 - The chafing at private protocol is one of the reasons the marriage failed - Charles is basically an Edwardian dressed up as a 21st century man and what did Diana think, that he would suddenly start insulting his Mum and beloved Gran during drinks at Balmoral because Diana suddenly did a 180 from the sweet, adaptable young girl she'd displayed whilst trying to reel Charles in?

Their marriage failed for precisely that reason: Diana presented one face to Charles and the BRF before she got the ring on, and another face afterward. The protocol is part of the deal, whether private or public. Diana was well aware of that protocol before the wedding day.

It remains to be seen if Sparkle falls down the same rabbit hole.

R53 - fair points, you may be right. It just seems a bit odd that suddenly Fergie is so much more . . . respectable, and her daughters more to the fore and in better clothes. True, this is ahead of her daughter's wedding, where both parents will be front and center. Perhaps the BRF figures that pulling her out of the hat like a rabbit on the day of wouldn't be a good look, so they're bringing her out beforehand to make it look less suspect.

Diana had some wealth to fall back on. Sparkle has nothing - only her mother - so she's not about to upset the royal apple cart. If anybody throws a tantrum, it'll be dim-witted Harry. He's an unpredictable guy and full of insecurities.

R61 - that's pretty much my view, with the caveat that I have mentioned before: character is destiny. We don't know if having gotten what she's always dreamt of, Sparkle's issues recede and she doesn't make more mistakes.

I don't think Andrew will ever re-marry Fergie. Although she keeps talking about their great love for each other, there is no sign of it on his part and he is certainly dating other women. The fact that he houses her just indicates that he is generous, wants to keep her under his eye, and/or wants the kids to feel the parents are close. If he wanted to marry her, now would be the time, i.e., while his mother is still alive. Does he think he has a better chance for royal approval under Charles? Not likely. Also, it would make sense to marry now, while he's not among the top six (i.e., the individuals who need the monarch's permission to marry. Right now, that's Charles, William, George, Charlotte, Louis, and Harry). One Elizabeth dies, unless Harry has some kids or William has more, Andrew will be right back among the top six. So if not now, when? And yet he doesn't marry her.

[quote]One Elizabeth dies, unless Harry has some kids or William has more, Andrew will be right back among the top six.

I'm juicing for ovulation as we speak!

Yeah, agree, r63. Andy is done with Fergs. I do think he may be playing mind games with her with bogus promises or fantasies to keep her in line and keep the daughters hopeful.

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I would be very surprised if Harry and Meghan didn't have kids. I don't think Andrew will ever end up back in the top six in line for the throne.

If Harry and Sparkle do not have children, Andrew will still remain seventh in line, not sixth, unless Harry predeceases him. Harry is sixth in line due to the birth of William's third child in April. Harry is not likely to predecease Andrew in the natural order of things. So, barring accidents of fate and unforeseen circumstances, as long as Harry lives, even without children, Andrew remains sixth in line.

Replying to my own post, dammit all: "Remains SEVENTH in line"

Hath she shewn minge?

Divorced royals weareth chastity belts.

R68, if the Queen dies before Harry has children (or before William and Kate have more) Andrew will be bumped back up to sixth place. I don't think that's likely, though.

R72 - Actually, yes, you are right. I was, of course, not considering any such eventuality and assuming the course of nature would be followed, with the Queen dying first; and, yes that is a very unlikely scenario despite her age. Again, we are assuming that no other unforeseen tragedies occur, either- not just Harry having no children, but something happening to one of the Cambridge children or William himself (not to be morbid or ill-wishing on children, mind), any of which would change the succession for everyone, including Andrew and the York girls, if only for a limited time. But if Harry not having children is the only factor, Andrew remains seventh while Harry lives.

R72 - that is, the Queen dying first after Harry has at least one child.

R73

Charles is the unhealthiest looking one in that group now. I would not be surprised if he pre-deceased the Queen, who seems to be having a romp this spring. I can't ever remember seeing her smile so much as we've seen lately.

R75 - I agree, he looks . . . odd, to say the least, puffy and red-faced and with swollen red fingers. Charles predeceasing the Queen would wreak havoc for awhile - William and Kate become Prince and Princess of Wales while their children are still quite young, and everyone moves up a peg, as the count starts with the next Heir, not the Sovereign. What happens to Camilla in such an eventuality?! Doesn't William also become Duke of Cornwall, as he inherits his father's titles?

If William becomes Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, etc., Kate becomes Princess of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall. Do they keep Camilla on as Dowager Duchess of Cornwall or do they eschew the Cornwall titles and stick to Prince and Pss. of Wales so as not to kick Camilla out the door until she joins Charles?

I've notced over the past year, Charles has not only put on more weight, his entire complexion (face) looks like an eggplant - purple lips and puffy cheeks. He really does not look well.

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I thought Charles was going to stroke out in Australia during his April trip.

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Yeah, he loooks like he's dressed for a polar excursion, r80. He probably just absent-mindedly pulled his heavy tweed suit out of his 1940's winter clothes closet.

Old people feel the cold more that’s why you see old ladies in wool coats in June.

So, old people feel colder, generally, than younger people and today in London temperature was in the mid seventies.

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I think Camilla is wanting a long break from her royal duties so.....

R4 A dumb pun after my own heart! And on a thread for firecracker Fergie, as well!

Camilla hates to fly R85. She was glad to be back from Australia.

They were returning from Greece, r87 in May a few days before Harry's wedding. The photo I posted also includes Charles. Camilla returned from Australia way before Charles and that was in April.

Why the hell is Fergie curtseying so low? These days it's usually just a slight bob.

R63. R65. Andrew and Sarah will remarry, but they cannot do it this year. Andrew was just moved to seventh in line to the throne with the birth of Prince Louis two months ago. It's not like he's been out of the "top six" for very long, and as we know, the first six in line to the throne need permission to marry from the monarch. Andrew and Sarah would certainly not have married before Harry's wedding in May. And they certainly will not marry before Eugenie, their own daughter, gets married this fall. If and when they remarry, it will be a quiet, understated affair so as to not steal the spotlight from the likes of Harry and Eugenie, after whose wedding, things will be somewhat quiet with the royal family.

Andrew and Sarah may even wait until Prince Philip dies. However, whatever or whomever was in their past, they are going to remain committed to each other into their senior years whether by remarriage or as partners. They deserve to be happy and peaceful together despite whatever Philip or Charles think, who by the way has no ground to stand on given the adulterous past of he and Camilla who set out to destroy Diana's marriage before it even began.

Andrew and Fergie are not a couple. She lives at his house, in a completely separate wing. She's his pimp

I'm shocked that none of you ever put their connection together when Fergie got caught selling access to Andrew. She's definitely his pimp. When she got caught selling access to Andrew, it wasn't the first time she sold access to Andrew (and sometimes by extension, the Queen), it was the first time SHE GOT CAUGHT selling access. They're both grifters. They've been doing this for years. How do you think Andrew survives and lives such a luxurious lifestyle? He keeps Fergie around to make the deals and collect the money. He certainly can't be the one to do that. That's why he (actually the Queen) bailed her out financially. They didn't want Andrew's part in the fiasco being exposed. Plus she's a big drunk. He keeps her close so she doesn't open her big mouth and embarrass him, their daughters or the royal family

And then just last year they got caught out using Buckingham Palace as a royal version of Airbnb when the trashy Beckhams announced to the world (and with pictures too) that they had their daughter's birthday party at Buckingham Palace. When that was exposed, it came out that Fergie was also in attendance (she bartered the deal she got to attend and hopefully sell other birthday party outings to the other rich parents whose children attended). And that has been going on a long time. Most tellingly was a palace spokesman who said that "from time to time members of the royal family have guests over". Read into that. He certainly couldn't say this was the only time this has ever happened. Because it wasn't. So it was a disclaimer in case any of the other times Andy rented out the palaces were to become public knowledge

How the hell do you think he could afford to buy a 13 million vacation home in Switzerland? And he put Fergie's name on it too (he didn't do that out of the goodness of his heart).

I clutch those pearls r90, you’ll turn them to dust.

Nobody fucking “set out to destroy” anything you hysterical cunt. Andrew is an obnoxious asshole and Fergie is a sad debt ridden scammer. Get a grip.

Fergie at Ascot, making a jackass out of herself once again. She will be sure to make the biggest jackass out of herself at her daughter's wedding. Just like she did with her daughter's engagement, she will make the wedding all about her. She is all everyone will remember about the wedding

If Charles should predecease Elizabeth, Camilla would be known as HRH Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall. Technically, she could be HRH Camilla, Princess of Wales, but since she didn't use the title in Charles' lifetime, she wouldn't use it after he dies. William and Kate instantly become TRH The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge. The title Prince of Wales has to be bestowed by the monarch; William doesn't automatically inherit it from Charles. Probably, after a suitable time, Elizabeth would grant it to William and he and Kate would become TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales.

Wouldn't Camilla be The Dowager Duchess of Cornwall should Charles die before the Queen?

And Kate become The Duchess of Cornwall.

[quote]Andy rented out the palaces were to become public knowledge

How does this even happen? Did Andrew go to the Buckingham Head of House and say, "We're going to have a little 'do but don't tell Mummy?" I'm sure the Queen wouldn't approve of this if she knew about it.

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*has used.....

Supposedly, Andy has his own 'office' at BP. At least, that is how BP framed it and came to his defence in the fiasco, r96.

It's true that Camilla would become Dowager Duchess of Cornwall. In recent generations, however, the title Dowager has been eschewed for the style (Christian name), Duchess of (wherever).

Bet on it , r93. Ane she'll be hungover from the night before, and during the wedding.

She's such a hoot!

I'm quite surprised Fergie was invited to Maggie's funeral.

Somebody probably mixed up one of the DO NOT EVER EVER INVITE! list with the VIP list, r103.

R92 - despite also thinking it possible that Andy may marry Fergie to make an honest woman out of both of them (again), I am forced to agree with you on the "set out to destroy" nonsense. On the contrary, a functional marriage between the Wales's would have suited both Charles and Camilla perfectly. Diana knew perfectly well that Charles was not deeply in love with her when they married. She didn't care how she got him, as long as she got him. But as the old saying has it, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. They all fell for Diana's sweet, adaptable, pleaser facade - including Camilla. Diana surprised them.

Agree with your assessment of Andy and Fergie, as well.

[quote] How does this even happen? Did Andrew go to the Buckingham Head of House and say, "We're going to have a little 'do but don't tell Mummy?" I'm sure the Queen wouldn't approve of this if she knew about it.

The Queen's schedule is made out a year in advance. Almost every weekend that the Queen is London, she spends at Windsor Castle. I'm not positive, but I think I remember reading that she leaves on Thursday nights to go there. She actually spends as much time as possible at Windsor Castle. He's been doing this and having Fergie sell access to him (and the Queen - without her knowledge) for probably over a decade. The two of them are grifters. That's the only reason he keeps her around (to do his dirty work)

I wouldn't doubt that the reason he put her name on their 13 million dollar home in Switzerland is because she took the blame for the "selling access scandal". She could have made millions telling the press that he was involved in the whole sordid mess

Blabbing to the press about the royals goes against Fergie's MO, r106. That tactic would only alienate the Queen and Bea and Eug and Andy knows it. Fergs must serve some other useful purpose perhaps or none at all. It could well be that the daughters have begged Andy to house and feed their mother as she is a bit like Markle - no family or very little, no means of support, no real accomplishments, or education. She's basically socially isolated in the circles that matter and dealing with addiction issues. Andy is stuck with her.

All this emotional baggage and wasted energy grifting means that neither Andy nor Fergie have been great role models for their daughters. It's a sorry state for the Yorks.

The day of Bea's high school graduation. Sarah looked extremely hungover in that photo as Andy looked on as a spectator.

Fergie is and will always be common, common, common.

R89 Flexing the new gym bunny gams for all to see.

Will this dreadful woman ever go away?

Alas, we know the answer.

[quote] Blabbing to the press about the royals goes against Fergie's MO

You are right about that, but she was in big trouble (media wise). If the royal family didn't bail her out and she was left to the wolves (the press) she might have talked. She was millions in debt and had absolutely no way on earth to get herself out of her mess. She could have made a fortune spilling that Andrew was the architect of the whole scheme. Fergie isn't/wasn't smart enough to have come up with it. Selling access and the renting out Buckingham Palace has Andrew's fingerprints all over it.

R107 - blabbing to the press about the royals may not be Fergie's m.o, for very good reasons: she saw what happened to Diana when she tried it. Fergie probably felt that she stood to gain more by keeping one foot in the door and getting ongoing financial benefits by adopting the "least said, soonest mended" m.o. She spends money like water, and probably also figured the tabs didn't have enough money for a couple of one-time payments for interviews to make it worth her causing a final complete cutoff from the BRF - if she'd talked to the press for a couple of big payments, they wouldn't even have let her set foot in St. George's Chapel for her own daughter's wedding.

Of course, the BRF displays odd blind spots: their anathema toward those involved with them talking about them to the press for personal gain didn't prompt them from warning Harry off Meghan Markle when she virtually announced an engagement that hadn't happened yet in a Vanity Fair cover article and talking about her relationship with him in it.

Wasn't it Fergie who arranged and was paid $500k for a bunch of tacky pictures in Hello after one of her kids was born? I seem to remember an uproar.

R114 - yes, I think Beatrice, the first one. The Palace was furious, but as she was already married to him and they'd just had a baby, there wasn't much they could do but read her the riot act. She never did it again whilst they remained married, so far as I know.

Markle, on the other hand, really didn't have to care what the BRF thought when she leaped at the chance to get the kind of exposure A list actresses get, and that she could never have hoped to land as a D-lister. She probably figured if she put Harry's back to the wall re proposing she achieved her main objective, and if he balked and it fell through, she'd at least have gotten an enhanced profile and a shot of PR she couldn't have bought with a lottery jackpot.

[quote] didn't prompt them from warning Harry off Meghan Markle

I seem to remember that there was a story that they DID warn him.

Wasn't the tale that no one knew he was even seeing her, even William, until it was far along?

And I remember reading a that Prince Charles warned Harry , when you marry someone dramatic, the drama never ends.

R116 - than you either know or remember more than I do, on all three points, except maybe the second one. If there was a "discussion" I'm curious as to whether it was the VF cover article that prompted it. Markle's dedicated worshippers insist the VF article was thoroughly approved by the Palace, as a sort of test rollout of the public's reaction to Markle as Harry's future bride - implying that she would never done it unless they were already secretly engaged (I suppose this is possible). Her fevered fraus insist they got this from experienced royal journalists, none of whom they have ever quoted by name.

I find that impossible to believe, frankly. But if there was a discussion warning Harry that Markle was already displaying a regrettable appetite for fame and attention, that she broke a cardinal rule by talking to the press about him, and that the last line of the article virtually announced that they were going to be married ("Is there something you want to tell Papa, Harry?") - why didn't Harry listen?

I wonder if Sparkle, as Diana did a generation earlier, put Harry and the BRF on the PR back foot with that article, and made it impossible for them to get rid of her without looking bad themselves. If so, she made a brilliant job of it. Whether Harry really wanted it or no, Sparkle basically engineered one of those "balls rolling downhill" events that can't be stopped.

But that doesn't mean there won't be consequences at some point.

That article came out just after she got Harry to send that ridiculous threatening letter to the press claiming they were invading her privacy and it was all because racism. Nobody had a fucking clue who she was. She engineered it spectacularly well. Harry is a moron.

R118 - she did, indeed. So did, Diana, come to it. And yet, in the end . . .

I always knew the royal mystique was a royal mess underneath. The whole thing is set up to keep spare royals in line. They can't go earn money on their own or they have to give up the royal thing. Although workarounds are sometimes achieved such as putting Prince Edward in charge of some property renovation or something and paying him for it. But only the sovereigns and heirs get the real coin. The rest are on allowances, grace and favor, and all that. You can tell by the KP twitter that the KP press department is a hot mess. Of course all the lesser royals are taking $$ to run into grandma or party somewhere in BP. Of course all the lesser royals are working some grift or other. It's probably a pandora's box. I bet Harry and William charged their friends to party at the bar/club they had in Highgrove.

And of course everybody knew it wasn't the first time Fergie was pimping for Andrew and everyone knew Andrew not only knew, but they were in cahoots. The whole drunk thing might even be her blind. "Oh poor Fergie really blundered, but the poor thing was soused as usual."

The late columnist Jimmy Breslin was so suspicious of Andrew, and I have no idea why, that when Windsor Palace caught fire Breslin publicly suspected Andrew of setting it - practically declared him an arsonist, and he said it more flatly than he said most things like that. Most of the time when Breslin would something like "Andrew set the place on fire" he'd be letting you know his opinion of the person but not mean it literally. Andrew, he meant literally.

I remember when that letter came out. I don't "follow" the royals. I will peruse Tom and Lorenzo (who are getting worse and worse) and Go Fug Yourself, where they appear regularly, but I don't fan out. I'm usually aware when Harry is dating somebody, but for me that amounts to knowing he had a longtime girlfriend named Chelsy Davy and then had a shorter-lived successor named Cressida whom it wasn't worth thinking about because it was obviously not a forever thing. Then that letter got a lot of publicity and I read Harry was dating a biracial American actress who worked on Suits. Never heard of Suits, never heard of her.

As for KP Twitter - isn't Sparkle running the PR out of KP these days? I thought people were claiming the "tone" was more American than British.

Markle has a talent for the lowest common denominator. It doesn't work on everyone - a whole bunch of sports stars and other eligible luminaries in Canada had no interest - but IMO it is a real talent. It's the lowest common denominator, but actually had to hit, I've decided. So I will grant her that talent, she knows how to run the basics of a scheme. BUT, her success is more down to Harry being a screaming moron than her brilliantly engineering anything. If Harry were William, she wouldn't have gotten to step one. Harry is not just a fool, I also think he prefers this marriage to a real one (you know, with a woman who isn't crazy). There was an article in 2015 called "Would you marry this Prince?" tracking the disconnect between what Harry said he wants and how he acts, what he claims and what he does. How the palace thought he'd be in the army until he was 40, nice and settled, but he quit (despite still using the military to enhance his rep). He is unemployed. The queen has done what she always does to the miscreants in the family who are male - load him down with impressive titles and pseudo responsibilities, but he is unemployed and doing fuck all. So by 2015, with Cressida Bonas, his last serious girlfriend, in the rear view mirror and Harry basically just hooking up and tagging along with Will and Kate, I think he knew he had to do something. His friends all said he was doing nothing to position himself for stability, jobwise or personality wise, and was very immature. Shit, the infamous Will and Harry wingman, Guy Pelley, got married, and to an American heiress at that, one who is perfectly attractive but more in a New England, "Handsome" way than a hot way (although she's midwestern or mid-south or something). And he's really happy, supposedly. The Peter Pan of that set grew up and moved on to the next stage and Harry was stuck. I think he was a willing mark for Markle, entered into a supposed courtship (instagram winking, arranging to be papped, histrionics about racism that he thought would win him points), then a chaotic engagement during which his bride was a hot mess, and then a cobbled together wedding where someone like Mitsu (sp?) is out on the lawn and Clooney, whom the bride and groom don't even know, are in the stalls. And the little bridal attendants' dresses have no lining, rolled hems, and they're not wearing socks, that's how slapped together the whole thing was. Now he's basically got the same life - drama, chaos, tons of attention, gets credit for marrying who he married, but it's not a "real" marriage in that they're not settled and she's interested in fame and grifting, not creating a family and learning the job. Basically, this marriage = Harry procrastinating while pretending to settle down.

R123, not just the tone, but the spelling. And just goes on and on, as she goes on and on. TMI. I can well believe it's her. What else has she got to do?

[quote]the daughters have begged Andy to house and feed their mother as she is a bit like Markle - no family or very little, no means of support, no real accomplishments, or education.

Excuse me? She had those Weight Watchers commercials.

[quote]The day of Bea's high school graduation

I stopped reading right there. That girl actually graduated?

They don’t do high school graduations in Britain. The only graduation is from university and that pic of Bea is from her graduation from Goldsmiths.

[quote]that pic of Bea is from her graduation from Goldsmiths.

Looks more like her graduation from J.D. Wetherspoons.

Everyone thinks Sparkle has ulterior motives but Harry's hot. Maybe she just wants a nice, solid bed to wear the "royal jewels" in, no? Do some public outreach and be pleasant, have all your meals made and clothes planned for you and then get to ride Red in cozy quarters. Where's the downside?

I think we kind of know where all that WW's loot went, right, r126?

R130 nobody is planning those terrible clothes but Sparkle.

I want to ride Red in cosy quarters after an afternoon of waving and shaking hands.

I think Harry is a strange dude and when he's dead we'll find odd stories as was learned about the Duke of Windsor. Like when Harry was in a Vegas - a young, drunk, presumably horny dude, hooks up with one of the girls there, and she said all they did was roll around for half an hour and she never took her underwear off (bra, yes). No mention of doing anything specific like oral sex either. Just rolling around and groping. A lot of his supposed hook-ups feature that sort of half-assed behavior. Makes me wonder if he does it to keep up his cocksman rep, but there's not much there, there.

R134 Or maybe he's just been raised terrified that he'll make a "deposit" he doesn't intend to make.

Yeah, I get the fear of illegitimate kids; that doesn't mean you can't have oral sex with a pick-up in Vegas. All they did was roll around on the bed, but no sex acts according to her. That's Elvis territory for me.

Maybe he had brewer’s droop r136.

Everyone knows the Duke of Windsor had a tiny, tiny dick....Wallis knew tricks that could get him off....hence his obsession.

Ferguson has really started looking old - just recently she seems to have aged a lot. Maybe she's lost weight in her face or had some bad work done or something. Her smile is ugly now.

Sarah should have kept her yap shut, behaved and stayed married to Andrew. She is a train wreck of the highest order.

She was fucking a guy while she was 6 months pregnant. The woman is trash.

R141 - aficionado of royal gossip as I am, I appear to have missed this one. Deets?

R138 - Went with his tiny tiny IQ. Edward had several married mistresses before Wallis landed him; none of them ever told tales out of school, though, so far as I know. Wallis lifted him from Thelma Furness who was preceded by Freda Dudley Ward - Furness would have had plenty of reason to talk as Wallis stepped into Furness's place while Furness was travelling. I suppose it just wasn't the Done Thing, then.

My favorite bon mot about Edward is the wag who referred to him after he ascended briefly to the Throne as "Edward the Eighth and Mrs Simpson the Seven-Eighths" as everyone knew who the power in the couple was.

R40 It looks like that crazy boozehound slept in that dress.

R142, yes it was Huge and the guy was Steve Wyatt, son of Lynn Wyatt.

Actually, Thelma (Anderson Cooper's grandmother's twin) said he had a little dick and was lousy in bed. Of course, she would have reason to be bitter.

R146 - hadn't heard that Furness talked until now. Thanks for the tidbit.