James Badge Dale Father Was Anthony Perkins Gay Lover

TORRID? Over-wrought much, OP?

R1 Grover Dale and Anthony Perkins were a couple who loved together for multiple years.

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Opps wrong thread - sorry

Yes, I'm aware of this, r2. What I'm questioning is the OP's all-caps TORRID, like some 1950s movie magazine. They were legit long-term lovers.

Why would any reporter, with or without guts, question Dale's adult son about this.

What does that have to do with the son, though, OP? You pose your question as if James Badge Dale is actively HIDING something about his own personal life.

Does any reporter ever ask Tyne or Tim Daly about THEIR famous actor father's "decades long torrid affair" with some dude in the Valley? They even set up house together, and actually was a quiet scandal when the dad died and left the house to the partner, and the Widow Daly and both her children contested the will.

[quote] Why would any reporter, with or without guts, question Dale's adult son about this.

because they are making a movie about the Tab Hunter/Anthony Perkins/Grover Dale HOT and PASSIONATE and TORRID love triangle in the "Confidential" magazine era?

[quote] Does any reporter ever ask Tyne or Tim Daly about THEIR famous actor father's "decades long torrid affair" with some dude in the Valley?

Actually they have.

I agree, what does his dad's relationships have to do with him.

Dale and Perkins were both in the cast of GREENWILLOW in 1960. The following year, Grover Dale was in SAIL AWAY with Elaine Stritch. I wonder if Tony and Grover partied with Stritchie and Noel Coward. Now THAT would've been a fun evening

[quote] I agree, what does his dad's relationships have to do with him.

Because they are making a movie about it

HOT and PASSIONATE and TORRID? OP, I presume. "They" are making a movie, to be sure, but I doubt they would expect James Badge Dale to know very much about a HOT and PASSIONATE and, yes, TORRID affair and/or threesome that occurred before his birth. Given your bodice-ripping adjectives, maybe you should seek out a reporter.

I believe you may be dimwitted.

I love Grover in Half a Sixpence, Molly Brown and Rochefort. Anthony was so astoundingly lucky.

The son looks enormously good looking. But does he have any of his parents' talent?

[quote] I doubt they would expect James Badge Dale to know very much about a HOT and PASSIONATE and, yes, TORRID affair and/or threesome that occurred before his birth

What if they offer him the part to play his own father in the movie? I mean he was in the sex addict movie "Shame"

Fine, OP, it's your ridiculous fantasy--have at it. What if "they" do offer him the part? What if he agrees? What if a reporter asks him about his dead father's long-ago TORRID etc. affairs? What, oh what, will James Badge Dale say or do if that cataclysmic event occurs?

[quote] What if "they" do offer him the part? What if he agrees? What if a reporter asks him about his dead father's long-ago TORRID etc. affairs? What, oh what, will James Badge Dale say or do if that cataclysmic event occurs?

Yeah so let's talk about it

is this op a tiny bit unhinged?

[quote] is this op a tiny bit unhinged?

So you think their relationship was platonic? That they were just friends?

No. Of course they were lovers. So what? What sort of speculation about the son do you want to indulge in?

Maybe more than a tiny bit unhinged.....

Anthony Perkins had a torrid affair with a Muppet?

TORRID, r20. Not to mention HOT and PASSIONATE.

It was a scandale, I tell you. The OP hasn't been the same since.

Carrie Fisher, when she was alive, got asked all the time about Liz Taylor breaking up her parents marriage. So if Carrie gets asked about Liz, why shouldn't James he asked about Perkins?

I'm sure it's the question on everyone's lips, OP.

[quote] I'm sure it's the question on everyone's lips, OP.

With the movie coming out of Anthony Perkins various affairs, the question will come up to James Badge Dale face by reporters.

[quote]the Widow Daly and both her children contested the will.

And didn't they deny the romantic relationship acting as if the two were just friends and the man lost the house? It wasn't until Tim wrote his book that he openly spoke about his father being gay.

Other than Tab Hunter saying Dale and Perkins were a couple --which I believe wholeheartedly -- there isn't further "proof" so Badge were to be asked he would probably do as Cary Grant's daughter has done and deny knowledge of his father being gay.

Grover is still alive. I wonder what he thinks of this film.

Was it TAWDRY, OP?

[quote] Other than Tab Hunter saying Dale and Perkins were a couple --which I believe wholeheartedly -- there isn't further "proof"

There is a whole book written about their relationship Read - Split Image: The Life of Anthony Perkins

What happened after that Boy Scouts Supreme Court case? Did he become a meth head?

There is indeed a "whole book" about Perkins (in fact, there are two). From his breathless writing style, I'm guessing the OP may be a tween.

Grover and Carol being telethonic.....

However, to claim there's a "whole book" written about Perkins' and Dale's relationship is more than an exaggeration--it's a complete untruth.

R31 have you read the book?

yes.

R33 then who is Helen Merrill?

Was any vicious slapping involved?

Carol's sister. r34?

Grover Dale teaching young dancers Jerome Robbins West Side Story choreography

For his age, he still has the moves down pat

He once said he felt too nervous around women, and resisted actresses Jane Fonda and Brigitte Bardot, who had tried to seduce him during his youth. He was a very shy actor, especially in women's company. According to an unauthorized biography by Charles Winecoff, he had affairs with Christopher Makos, actor Tab Hunter, dancer Rudolf Nureyev, composer/lyricist Stephen Sondheim and dancer-choreographer Grover Dale (for about 6 years, around '72-'73) prior to marrying Berenson. He had his first intimate heterosexual experience at the age of 39 while working on the 1972 film The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean with an actress who also appeared in the film. Perkins declined to identify the actress, but "other sources" have identified her as Victoria Principal; Principal confirmed this in a People magazine article about Perkins.

Perkins died on September 12, 1992, from complications of AIDS. He was cremated, and his ashes were given to his family. His widow, Berry Berenson, was killed on American Airlines Flight 11 during the September 11 terrorist attacks in 2001.

Grover Dale is still living at 82. I guess he must have been the top since he didnt get AIDS.

Grover has always been a dim bulb w a great body.

Grover Dale was living together with Larry Kert (Original Tony in West Side Story) when Anthony Perkins broke them up.

So Grover wanted his own child when he married Morris and loved her but was not in love with her?

She was a knockout and there was a strong possibility something good would come of it.

....

Mother and Child Reunion

Nobody in a million years would think they were father and biological son....

[quote] So Grover wanted his own child when he married Morris and loved her but was not in love with her?

I can't remember if it was Tab's book or some Boze Hasleigh type book but reportedly Perkins went to a therapist who advised he and Dale to marry women and within days of each other Tony married Berry Berenson and Dale Anita Morris.

In the Chorus Line tapes, Michael Bennett told the story about how Grover Dale tried to seduce him when he was a young chorus dancer. It was said that this story loosened everyone up sufficiently (that and the pot) so that the stories started flowing. Also, Bennett almost cast Anita Morris as Cassie in the Broadway replacement cast.

James Badge is a hot piece of

r34, I assume you must be the tiresome OP. Please don't think I'm going to spend my evening being quizzed by you. H. Merrill was a theatrical agent (Perkins' as well as many others). The two of them had something of a symbiotic relationship for many years, and I believe he lived in her apt/house for at least one period of time.

r46, the therapist was Mildred Newman, who had a large gay and bi clientele in NY in the 60s and apparently did counsel at least some to "go straight." She and her husband wrote a couple of pop psychology self-help books, including How to Be Your Own Best Friend.

Who cares about the father. James Badge Dale is a gay boy himself.

R49 Helen Merrill was NOT Perkins theatrical agent, nor was she EVER a theatrical agent

so much for you reading the book about Anthony Perkins

R51 knows EVERYTHING

I miss Anita Morris. Amazing lady.

R52 that is not what the Book on Anthony Perkins Split Image claimed.

It said she WAS NOT Perkins agent and that she was a LITERARY agent.

Then you're both wrong. Helen Merrill was a LEGENDARY theatrical agent.

[quote] Then you're both wrong. Helen Merrill was a LEGENDARY theatrical agent.

That is not what the book said, it stated clearly she was a literary agent.

what a minute now I understand. According to the book, Perkins kicked her out but gave her 100K settlement, which used to start her agency.

So the book says she re-invented herself as a Literary/Theatrical agent. But she was NEVER Perkins agent, and only became an agent after her break-up with Perkins.

So now that makes sense. But to clear she was NEVER Perkins agent.

Really, does anyone other than r51/OP give a flying fart about the minutiae of Ms. Merrill's life? I am honestly a little concerned about his juvenile obsession with Perkins et al.

Btw, I read the book about a dozen years ago and didn't cherish every detail. I'm amazed I remembered Merrill at all.

R58 then why are you on this thread?

I have no idea. So long, putz.

[quote] I have no idea. So long, putz.

Good riddence

R50 unfortunately that’s not true

Molly Brown

I thought Stephen Paley was Perkins’ true love.

Anita Morris could've turned me straight.

I fucked Tony Perkins too. He had a thing for Grovers.

I love Martita Hunt.

What if James Badge Dale gets offered the part to play his father (Grover Dale) in the movie?

Why didn't Bennet ever cast Morris as Cassie?

In what movie, r68?

Why'd Anita marry him?

R6, Tyne Daly went to court to challenge her mother trying to prevent her father's partner from being screwed out of his inheritance. The court ruled in the partner's favor.

Wow - interesting family the Dalys! I can’t imagine Tyne and her mother had much of a relationship after that. How old were Tyne and Tim when this was going on?

What I wonder is whose TORRID Gay Lover James Badge Dale might happen to be.

R6 Tim Daly talked about his dad's homosexuality in an interview on Sunday Morning a couple of years ago.

[quote]Good riddence

It’s good RIDDANCE, R61/OP

Learn to SPELL

Perhaps you should BUY a DICTIONARY

JBD is 40 years old and has never been publicly in a relationship with a woman.

Dale was incredibly cute and a spectacular dancer in Half a Sixpence and as you can see in Molly Brown above which is one of the best dance numbers in a movie musical. For a non dancer Reynolds could really dance. I believe the other dancer is the very handsome Makos. I bet these guys slept with whomever they wanted to in their prime and who could blame them.

Dancers today next to these people don't come close because they don't have the style and never will. It can't be taught.

I don't think it's accurate to call Debbie a non-dancer. How can a non-dancer "really dance"?

JBD is out and openly gay and has been for a long while R77.

I guess I meant she wasn't trained as a dancer much like Tamblyn who I think is still spectacular in 7B47B and WSS.

Anita Morris dancing to a medly from "Gypsy" at the Tony Awards

This dancing shows off her moves

How could she marry a gay guy, she could get any straight she wanted.

Go 53 Minutes into video to see her dance chops

Anita's finest moment, A Call from the Vatican, from the original production of the Broadway musical Nine. Thommie Walsh was the show's choreographer but in fact Grover staged this number for his wife uncredited.

Apart from the license from the state, marriage is whatever the two people decide they want it to be. And whatever their relationship was, or wasn't, I remember hearing at the time that they loved each other very much.

[quote] I remember hearing at the time that they loved each other very much.

The problem with this is that Anita Morris is a WOMAN and her husband was gay.

Which means.....what, r85? That they couldn't love each other very much?

Really, r85, you need to reconsider your response.

There are a couple of women in my life that I “love” more than anyone and could be compatible with. Just not sexually. Maybe they generally had their priorities on the emotional bonds of love rather than the physical? Maybe sex wasn’t that important? To some people it isn’t. They still managed to bring a child into the world together anyway.

I think this is only a "problem" for r85. It doesn't seem to have troubled Dale and Morris.

No way, you lie! Dale, Perkins, and Daly were married with kids! No way gay, just wishful thinking again on your part.

[quote]JBD is out and openly gay and has been for a long while

Really? There's nothing online.

What, he was supposed to register?

Odd that there's nothing online about his orientation, even Wiki says nothing.

Nope you’re right. I was sure I remember him doing interviews and coming out. But I conflated him with the similar looking and very out actor Andrew Scott who plays Moriarty on “Sherlock”. My apologies to R77/all

I always found it sort of inspiring how Anita Morris had been diagnosed with ovarian cancer and given a short time to live like two years before "Nine". So all her success with that and later on came with her knowing her time was limited.

A family pic.

A nice tribute from the cast of Nine after Anita's death.

I'm resurrecting this old thread because nobody mentioned how hot James Badge Dale is in World War Z. He's the army sergeant (lieutenant?) in South Korea who is bitten and has to shoot himself.

No skin, but he comes off as incredibly masculine.

I bring this up because so many of you (no, not all) might have seen WWZ without realizing that one of the actors is the son of a very likable gay performer. He was terrific in Sail Away, so good that Noel Coward brought him over (with Elaine "Always a Problem" Stritch) for the London run.

I wonder what Grover Dale and Stephen Sondheim have to say about one another.

Actually, now that you mention it, R99, I wonder what Grover Dale thought when they brought Larry Kert in to replace Dean Jones in Company.

Hal Prince was in a bind and had to move fast. True, Kert was the right type, but he wasn't much of an actor.

Did Grover Dale think the role would have been safer in his hands? I personally think Dale was a lot more magnetic than Kert, but that's my personal opinion.

And Dale was in West Side Story, so Prince would have known about him.