Anyone Watching the Jerusalem US Embassy Opening Ceremony?

Yes. It’s nauseating.

My neighbors probably wondering who’s on the other end of my stream of jeering profanities.

[quote]In Gaza, at least 41 Palestinian were killed by Israeli fire Monday in a mass protest against the embassy move.

Scores of Palestian protesters have been killed by Israeli gun fire.

But here is Kushner coming out of hiding, pretending like this bullshit is creating peace.

Well if the goal was to incite greater hatred for US and Israel, goal accomplished. Netanyahu and Trump are both nauseating fear-mongers looking for fight - that others will fight for them and for which they will take credit. They make perfect dictators. Amazing that democracy can produce leaders like this - mankind is essentially flawed.

He knows it's doing the opposite of creating peace, he's just chuffed he "accomplished" something.

Just totally unnecessary deaths and those who claim religion are applauding this? And, they're talking about a Nobel Peace Prize for Trump?

[quote]Well if the goal was to incite greater hatred for US and Israel, goal accomplished. Netanyahu and Trump are both nauseating fear-mongers looking for fight

BINGO! That is certainly being accomplished!

The interesting thing is how even supposedly “liberal” American Jews (who hate Trump for everything else) are quietly pleased this is happening.

It’s going to be very hard if not impossible to undo this disastrous action.

What does it look like? Is it temporary? Are they building a huge contemporary prestige one?

It won't be undone. It would cause even more uproar to undo this after it's been established.

Future presidents may quietly start withholding funds and personnel, however.

[quote]The interesting thing is how even supposedly “liberal” American Jews (who hate Trump for everything else) are quietly pleased this is happening.

I would appreciate it if you cite some source or provide a link to support your statement. The Jews around me (and they are moderate to liberal) are quite worried by this.

The Israelis know exactly what they are dealing with when it comes to islam. They don't take shit from a culture that respects only brutality and in which public and civic kindness is considered weakness. Peaceful coexistence was never and will never be an islamic concept, so fuck them. Islam appropriated and bastardized Judaism and Christianity then, emulating their prophet, brutally invaded and occupied the middle east, including what is now Israel. Muslims are wreaking havoc around the globe, deliberately so, they are the provocateurs, the perpetuators, and persecutors. We should give not even one shit about them.

Watched Jared Kushner on TV give his speech. His personality is quite dull, no charisma. Some DLERS think he is cute. He is absent charm and doesn't even smile.

[quote]Some DLERS think he is cute.

I am dong-curious when it comes to Jared. I am even more dong-curious about his brother, Josh.

Why do you think he rarely gives public speeches r12, he sucks at it. Does not have a leader's voice or presence.

And you just know, r14 that every time he kisses Ivanka, she has to wipe her mouth.....

There's a lot of perceptive people from the entertainment industry on Twitter saying this ceremony looks like a trailer for a horror movie, especially the part with the big blue curtain being pulled down to reveal the huge stone wall and the carving of Trump.

r15 = Brick Heck

How does any of this Make American Great Again? This is a gift to Trump's Jewish funders, PERIOD

R11 Muslims are causing havoc SPECIFICALLY because the US and Israel have pushed Islam to.

Israel is evil. The religion of WAR.

End the occupation.

What has set me off is the presence of admitted anti-Semitic Evangelical Biblebangers at this event. Are Israelis, or at least these Likudniks, so desperate for validation that they are willing to rub shoulder with people who want them DEAD?

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! They took the sign down that said "American Consulate" and replaced it with a sign that says "American Embassy". Oh horrors! No! No!

What you ignorant bigoted scum don't know is that there's been a US consulate in Jerusalem for yonks. They simply replaced the sign. The sign saying "American Embassy" in Tel Aviv will be replaced with a sign saying "American Consulate". NOTHING else will change. The respective consulate/embassy will continue doing the same thing tomorrow that they did yesterday, last week and last year.

Oh and R20, the ONLY thing EVIL is your mindless Jew hatred.

42 dead already

[quote]NOTHING else will change.

There are closed to 50 dead because of this action, R22. Nothing changed?

R24 Nope. Just another day in the Middle East. How many were killed today in Syria and Yemen? You neither know nor care. JEWS are your sole focus.

WHEN MUSLIMS MURDER PALESTINIANS

"It’s better they die in Syria than give up their right of return” Mahmoud Abbas

While the Israeli Defense Force were storming into Gaza in 2014, the streets of Europe were overrun with demonstrators. There were virtual riots outside of the Israeli embassy in London, tens of thousands of people marched there in support of Palestinians as they did in Paris, Madrid and elsewhere. With every march came cries that the IDF were perpetrating a massacre in Gaza. The pictures of dead Palestinian children filled Facebook feeds.

There was no massacre of Palestinians at the hands of the IDF last Summer. But in Syria there is - right now as you read this. But you would be forgiven for being unaware of it. For this time there aren’t tens of thousands demonstrating on the streets. There are no demonstrations at all. There are no rallies. There are no screams of massacre. There are no demands on governments to take action.

There is simply a sad, deafening silence.

It’s not as if people don’t know what’s happening in the largest Palestinian refugee camp in Syria, Yarmouk. The story took pride of place on Sky News, it has been published by every major newspaper around the world. Yet there is no action. The heat, the friction, the activism of the Summer is nowhere to be found.

In the United Kingdom there is no shortage of organizations dedicated to the Palestinian cause. The Palestine Solidarity Campaign, was the main organizer of the demonstrations and of a boycott campaign against Israel and yet the cause of Palestinian suffering in Syria is noticeable only for its absence from their website. There are no events planned, there are no calls for aid, there are no plans to lobby Members of Parliament to take action.

There is silence.

And I want to know how this is possible. How can it happen that when Israel defends herself, thousands take to the streets, the activists with their megaphones go marching, the whole machinery of campaigning and letter writing and the demands for action from politicians swing into action but when a real massacre of Palestinians happening there is silence from the very organization which exists to campaign on behalf of Palestinians. This is a bizarre state of affairs indeed. But then perhaps they are only following the example set by Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestine Authority President. His words concerning Palestinians in Syria from 2013 are proving to be truly prophetic today; "It’s better they die in Syria than give up their right of return”

Perhaps the silence regarding Palestinians in Syria and elsewhere in the Middle East comes from a belief that it is only worth demonstrating when a Palestinian is killed by an Israeli. Even if that means throwing around words like massacre, when there isn’t one, and ignoring a real one while it happens.

We’re constantly told that the Israel Palestine conflict is what radicalises young Muslims in the West. So what happens when those radicalised Muslims from the West start beheading Palestinians while wearing the uniform of the Islamic State?

Apparently nothing at all.

The Israelis wants to drag the US into a war with Iran so they have cover and and an excuse for bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities. This is just the beginning by ratcheting up the conflicts with the Palestinian Arabs who are Irans proxies.

Hardly, r17!

[quote]This is just the beginning by ratcheting up the conflicts with the Palestinian Arabs who are Irans proxies.

Uh, no R27. Iran's proxy is Hamas, which rules Gaza with an iron fist. In Gaza, gay men are murdered and then Hamas thugs drag their bodies behind motor scooters through the streets as an warning to others thinking of transgressing Islam. The West Bank is ruled by the "Palestinian Authority" (PA), which receives billions of dollars in aid every year, including around 900 million from the US. Most of it ends up in the Swiss bank accounts of Abu Abbas and senior PA officials.

Conflicts have been on-going in the region for the past 4,000 years, so that one conflict is much like another.

R22 are you really that stupid and ignorant? It's not simply "replacing the sign." It's the US recognizing Jerusalem as the official capital of Israel. It's a big deal.

R26: How cute of you to post an article with no link! Sit down, amateur.

I already had that poster you are arguing with on ignore r30 from some prior antics, they are probably some dumb troll.

[quote]It's a big deal.

Only to you. Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel for 3,500 years. There isn't a person in the world who is not aware of that fact.

R32 Lemme guess. You're way too lazy to Google.

R33: State of Israel did not exist until 1948. Stop being hyperbolic and foolish. No one here is impressed.

Don't blame Trump. The most despicable, rotten, anti-Palestinian American politician was Eleanor Roosevelt, the goddess of the Democratic Party.

R36: Look everyone!! It's the same retarded argument that black Americans should vote Republican because Democrats were segregationists!! It's still 1944 Y'ALL!!!

Appointing John Bolton has consequences. And they are not good. Pro-war mistress, Lindsey, and and those with similar agendas, are enabling Trump to inflame the world and further weaken the USA. Putin wins. China wins.

[quote]State of Israel did not exist until 1948.

So what did the Romans conquer in 63 BCE, whose temple and capital city was destroyed in 70 CE, and who was taking into captivity and exile by the Romans??

Of course that troll doesn't have a citation, because they are blantantly lying. Most American jewish people do not agree with moving the embassy to Jerusalem right now.

Kingdom of Israel. It ceased to exist. The State of Israel, a Republic, was formed in 1948. In between, Jerusalem was the capital of provinces of various empires. You can identify with Jerusalem all you want, that's fine, but historical facts are historical facts.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE THE MEMORY OF A FLEA:

In 1995, Congress passed a law that moved said that Jerusalem was the capital and the embassy would move. But in that law, they didn't specify a timeframe. EVERY POTUS since then, just kicked the law down the road.

Trump is only implementing what was decided in Congress over 20 years ago.

^ In response to R39

[quote]Kingdom of Israel.

Very good R41! So there WAS an Israel that had already existed for 1,500 years, with Jerusalem as its capital.. In 1948, Israel was RE-ESTABLISHED, with Jerusalem as its capital.

Come off it , r37. Do the Democrats worship the bourbon segregationists these days?

Yes, every other administration was wise enough to invoke the delay built into the law so that it never went into affect because they knew it was harmful policy r42. What exactly is your point? That is what we are complaining about, that Trump did this.

I'm still pissed that those shits Jared and Ivanka are representing this country as "Senior Advisors". Just imagine the howls of indignation from the wingers if Hillary had Chelsea and her husband move into the White House and run around the world pretending the be advisors.

Seriously r37. I can't believe the trolls are resorting to bringing up "but what about in the 1940s!"

Man, taking whatabouism to new embarrassing levels.

[quote]Just imagine the howls of indignation from the wingers if Hillary had Chelsea and her husband move into the White House and run around the world pretending the be advisors.

Hillary always pretended to be an advisor to Bill. Going back as far as when she was First Lady of Arkansas. And she sure as hell let Chelsea get up during the POTUS run and say whatever the hell she wanted to say. So it's not really any different.

[quote]That is what we are complaining about

R46 "You" are complaining because it's Jews. That's what bothers you, just as it has bothered everyone from the Babylonians right on through to the British. You don't give a flying fuck about anything else. If it has to do with Jews, you're the first one standing on your chair squealing 'THOSE FUCKING JEWS'!!!!!!!

Does Trump realize he's given the next version of al-Qaeda or ISIS a reason to launch the next 9/11? Only this time it'll be 100 times worse.

And it'll probably happen under a Democratic administration and Democrats will be blamed.

Fuck this.

You sound so crazy and clueless that you must be Matt r50, to the ignore list with you.

R52 Shoots the messenger when she has no response to the message.

41 Palestinians killed today during Gaza protests.

How wise was it to unveil this new embassy on the eve of Ramadan? It's like Netanyahu and Trump are just asking for suicide bombers in Israel.

[quote]Does Trump realize he's given the next version of al-Qaeda or ISIS a reason to launch the next 9/11?

Do you realize that al-Qaeda and ISIS don't need a reason? The fact that you choose to love a man and America allows that is reason enough to attack "The Great Satan."

And finally, a refresher course for you ignorance scum.

In the 2nd century CE, the last attempt of the Jews to achieve independence from the Roman Empire ended with the well-known event of Masada, that is historically documented and universally recognized as the fact that determined the Jewish Diaspora in a definitive way. The Land where these things happened was until then the province known as Judæa, and there is no mention of any place called "Palestine" before that time. The Roman emperor Hadrian was utterly upset with the Jewish Nation and wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth, so that there would be no memory of the country that belonged to that rebel people. He decided to replace the denomination of that Roman province and resorted to ancient history in order to find a name that might appear appropriate, and found that an extinct people that was unknown in Roman times, called "Philistines", was once dwelling in that area and were enemies of the Israelites. Therefore, according to Latin spelling, he invented the new name: "Palæstina", a name that would be also hateful for the Jews as it reminded them their old foes. He did so with the explicit purpose of effacing any trace of Jewish history. Ancient Romans, as well as modern Palestinians, have fulfilled the Hebrew Scriptures Prophecy that declares: "They lay crafty plans against Your People... they say: ‘come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more'." - Tehilim 83:3-4 (Psalm 83:3-4).

They failed, as Israel is still alive and thrives.

[quote]How wise was it to unveil this new embassy on the eve of Ramadan? It's like Netanyahu and Trump are just asking for suicide bombers in Israel.

They chose this day because if follows the Israeli holiday of "Jerusalem Day" which was Saturday/Sunday. But if you want to believe they did it just to piss off the Muslims, you go right ahead and believe that.

R45: That's my point. Unless you meant to respond to R36.

R44: And I'm talking about the couple thousand years in between, my dear. You claim Israel was always thus with Jerusalem as capital city, and history shows that after 70 CE, that was not the case. Only until 1948 does that case hold.

R50: The below gif is EXACTLY what someone like you deserves!!

[quote] I would appreciate it if you cite some source or provide a link to support your statement. The Jews around me (and they are moderate to liberal) are quite worried by this.

I am a liberal Jew who is horrified by this and most people I know are equally horrified by this. This does not advance any sort of peace.

[quote]How wise was it to unveil this new embassy on the eve of Ramadan?

Musn't upset Muslims. Don't have to worry about a Jew flying a plane into a building, or blowing himself up in a crowd. But those Muslims are scary!

R57: Thank you for agreeing with me that Israel ceased to exists after 70 CE. We're now on the same page. Have A Happy!!

r22 that's good to know, because once Trump and his traitorous scum apparatchik are removed and a new administration comes in, they can simply reverse it back to Consulate status. again.

[quote]This does not advance any sort of peace.

R59 There has't been peace in the region in 4,000 years.

R57, Ok. I understand that, but still try telling that to the Palestinian jihadis who will be emboldened to attack this Ramadan. Not to mention Hezbollah will help Hamas.

Surely, Israelis must be mortified by how Trump, Pence, Kushner, and Netanyahu are endangering their public safety.

R61 Need a dictionary to look up re-establish?

R63: An absolute lie but whatever you shit troll. BTW, I know you're a troll and utterly fake, but what about my post at R21? You seem to scream anti-Semite at everyone here, but Trump's own personal Anti-Semite is praying over your new Embassy. Where's your outrage, BITCH??

Im Jewish and know we need Israel, but I too find the whole thing nauseating.... only the idiot trump is would think this would help bring peace to this region.....SMH

[quote]Not to mention Hezbollah will help Hamas.

Hezbullah regularly "helps" Hamas, with weapons, money and training.

R65: Re-establish! Very good. I've been saying that all along. It indeed was re-founded in 1948. So Nice of you to catch up with the rest of the heard. Have A Happy!

Ivanka Trump...Can you fucking imagine...Ivanka Trump representing America ...WOW

[quote]An absolute lie but whatever you shit troll.

The only liar or rather complete ignoramus is you R66. When has there ever been "peace" in a region that has been under constant conquest and conflict for 4,000 years??

I understand why Jews want Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel. Fine, but they should at least have the decency to not expand Jewish settlements in the West Bank but they can't even let the Palestinians have that.

Don't be surprised when the people of the West Bank oust the liberal Fatah Party and join Gaza in welcoming Hamas instead. Then, the real problems will begin.

(26) well said

It is an illegal occupation.

R72 And Americans should have had the decency not to expand their country on to First Nation and Mexican lands.

[quote]It is an illegal occupation

American First Nations feel the exact same way about you R74.

The Middle East should just be turned into glass so the rest of the 5.5 billion people on this planet can get on with their fucking lives. So sick of this shit.

And the Earth will stop turning in 6 . . . 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

R60, Muslims aren't the only ones who should scare you. In the U.S., we are just as likely to get shot down in a suicidal massacre by a white, black, Latin, or Asian young male. Perhaps even female at this point. Nothing surprises me anymore.

R76: Look everyone!! Whataboutism and moral equivalency. American did it, so Israel can do it too. 2 wrongs make a right!! This is not a serious argument.

R71: Ever hear of the Ottoman Empire? The idea that there has been no peace in that region of the world EVER is asinine. You really suck at history!

Those yelling PROVOCATION! are laughable. If you are Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, atheist, or gay, from their prophet and repeatedly stated in the foundational texts your EXISTENCE is provocation! I can't believe how blind and naive people are about islam, it's brutal history, the crap it is creating in the world, and their stated intentions.

When people say they want to kill you, believe them.

R80 Now go back and actually look up how many conflicts were going on during the 500 years of the "peaceful" Ottoman Empire.

R82: No, instead, you're going to address the issue in the R21 post. I want your reaction to this anti-Semitic asshole presiding over this ceremony.

[quote]When people say they want to kill you, believe them.

Their rhetoric goes beyond killing you. They want to wipe you off the face of the Earth. It's not just "Oh we want to stop homosexuality.." It's "We want to wipe out any group of people who allow homosexuality (or whatever activity they disagree with)."

Learn something R80. 4,000 years of regional conflict, especially during the Ottoman period.

"Peace" is a Western concept, unknown in the Near/Middle East.

R81, Muslim Spain was once the only country in Europe to allow Jews entry and freedom of religion and expression. Sephardic Jews still exist in Spain today because of this. Anyone who has studied even a modicum of history knows that Christians were far more hostile to the Jews than Muslims were. Hitler was a white Christian.

Jews weren't allowed entry or banned completely from entering the United States and Europe. They've never been banned in Muslim countries. Jews existed in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Libya, Iran for centuries.

The Ottoman Empire was also a safe haven for Jewish people.

I may be invisible, but don't you for a second get to thinking you'd be my Chosen Ones.

[quote]They've never been banned in Muslim countries

Utter rubbish!! There were brief periods of Jews living as 2nd class citizens in Muslim countries and long periods of Muslim discrimination and persecution.

[quote] Hitler was a white Christian.

Muslims were avid supporters of Hitler.

Netanyahu is just another Hitler and Trump as well. The American people are completely ignorant as to what Israel has done to the Palestinians. They are pretty much held in prison. Israel has become a very evil country.

R87: Don't bother. The thing clearly is just going to repeat it's bullshit endlessly. It doesn't know history, thinks that Israel has been around since the Big Bang, and won't address Trump's own anti-Semite adviser being at the ceremony. It's a fake, ersatz piece of dreck.

I'm going to assume Matt is spamming the thread, because I can't see the last 15 posts.

[quote]How does any of this Make American Great Again? This is a gift to Trump's Jewish funders, PERIOD

The evangelicals are also very happy Trump did this, this also worked as a gift from them.

R86, that myth about the golden age of islamic Spain is a complete fabrication. Jews have been mistreated in muslim countries since mohammade ordered and participated in the beheading of 600 - 900 men of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. I believe mohammed and his fellow muslim warriors raped the wives and children in front of the men before the execution. Of course, all the wives and children became slaves.

There have been numerous pogroms in muslim countries and the grand mufti of Jerusalem was colluding with Nazi Germany in hopes of exterminating the Jews at least in what was then known as Trans-Jordan.

The posters here parrot the New York Times and maintain that only Jews are capable of having opinions on Israel. This bullshit about some American Jews don't agree with moving the embassy to Jerusalem is nothing but flat out racism of the worst kind. What about the rest of us? Are we so stupid that we are told to follow American Jewish opinion without question? I'm not Jewish and I thoroughly resent being told that I am too stupid to have any opinion on the subject. What I do agree with Trump is that he says too much American money is going as aid to the Middle East. How do you DLers think about that?

When Netanyahu, Evanka and Jared were at the ceremony, I wished the roof would cave in. It would have been justice.

Trump brought in lots of hardcore Evangelical preachers to do the embassy opening, don't think his camp doesn't realize what they are doing.

R97: Bless you. But you won't get the pro-Trump trolls in here to acknowledge it, I've been trying the last hour. Inconvenient truths indeed.

Hitler despised Christianity because it was based on and an outgrow of Judaism. He used the churches as needed. Church leaders, being the cowards they always are, did his bidding, as did most their parishioners.

[quote]Hitler despised Christianity

Hitler and his Nazi butchers were all good Catholics. Which is why the Catholic Church was instumental in helping Nazi butchers to escape Europe and avoid prosecution for crimes against humanity.

R19, learn some basic history.

Start with looking up Dar al-Islam (the world/house of islam) and Dar al-Harb (the world/house of war). This is the world according to islamic ideology.

[quote]Hitler was a white Christian.

[quote]Muslims were avid supporters of Hitler.

And Hitler sent Christians to the concentration camps same as the Jews.

Reading suggestion for R100

[quote]The posters here parrot the New York Times and maintain that only Jews are capable of having opinions on Israel.

Oh garbage. Nobody here is saying anything like that. What has been said is something to the effect that even Jewish men and women in the U.S. don't agree with this move. There's not a damn thing wrong with that, nor is it worth your drama queen antics.

[quote]Hitler sent Christians to the concentration camps same as the Jews.

R102 subscribes to the ignorant dead is dead worldview.

There are two additional reasons why Trump is getting criticized for this move. The first is that he got absolutely nothing for it. The "great negotiator" gave Netanyahu this huge win and got nothing in return. No settlement freeze, no progress on East Jerusalem, no concessions in negotiations for a permanent settlement, nothing. And the second is that the U.S. is now even more removed as an honest broker for peace. We have destroyed what little trust we had built in that region.

This thread has developed into something that I had feared. A centuries old war is being fought within 600 posts.

Here's my questions;

-What has been accomplished with this move?

-Is it worth the deaths and impending deaths that we are seeing right now?

-Why are so many against diplomacy?

R107: In order:

Nothing but renewed support by biblebangers for the Orange Afterbirth No, No it is Not Because said Anti-Semitic Biblebangers want the Rapture and don't give a fuck who gets hurt to get their little religious fetish realized.

Lets try to format this again.

In order:

Nothing but renewed support by biblebangers for the Orange Afterbirth

No, No it is Not

Because said Anti-Semitic Biblebangers want the Rapture and don't give a fuck who gets hurt to get their little religious fetish realized.

And R81 you castigate Islam, knowing full well that Muslims are like every other religion, ranging from fanatics to "eh", and also know that if Christians lived by the words of the horrendously violent Old Testament or Jews lived by the Talmud, both ideologies would be hated and feared.

Actually, Christians and Jews are hated and feared as they should be given that a primarily Christian country, the US ,and a Jewish theocracy, Israel, have blown a hole in the Middle East, and continue to cause more carnage.

And in terms of violence and hypocrisy: Before the second or third US-led siege of the Iraqi city of Fallujah, US marines were told that the Devil lived in Fallujah and were baptized into Christianity if they weren't already Christians. That wasn't hundreds of years ago, that was in the last decade.

And R81, if you knew as much about the region as you claim to, you would know that there were many Palestinian, Iraqi and Syrian Christians, and it wasn't Muslims who forced them out of their countries, it was the actions of the US and Israel.

[quote]And the second is that the U.S. is now even more removed as an honest broker for peace. We have destroyed what little trust we had built in that region.

We had 8 years of Obama cozying up to Iran and being nasty to Israel. What did it get the US? Nothing. They still hate us.

R110, what a load of crap. And Christians, Jews, gays and other "non-believers" are being slaughtered from Egypt to Nigeria to the U.S. to Indonesia to Europe to the Philippines by muslims.....and muslims say nothing. Even the NYTs can't hide from this fact. Look at the headlines yesterday.

Here's some reading for you..

Any country that chooses to put Trump's profile on a coin is just fueling his fascist tendencies.

[quote]you castigate Islam, knowing full well that Muslims are like every other religion, ranging from fanatics to "eh",

Only in American is "Islam" relegated to religion. In the rest of the world, Islam is the foundation of Muslim culture, mentality, and lifestyle, a highly regimented way of life that dictates every waking moment of their existence. Muslims are subsumed in Islam 24/7. There is nothing else, no choice, no alternative lifestyle. The few Muslims living in the West are in no way indicative of 1.7 billion Muslims living from the Atlantic to the Arafura Sea.

[quote]if you knew as much about the region as you claim to, you would know that there were many Palestinian, Iraqi and Syrian Christians, and it wasn't Muslims who forced them out

If YOU knew anything about Islam, you would know that there is a reason why Muslim countries are 90%+ Muslim, that Xtians and Jews have and continue to be driven out by Muslims.

[quote]Any country that chooses to put Trump's profile on a coin is just fueling his fascist tendencies.

Have you looked at all the countries in the Middle East other than Israel? Talk about fascist. You think Iran isn't fascist?

We, the US, killing on average a few hundred civilians a week, R112.

We, the US, are enabling the Saudi slaughter and the wholesale starvation of Yemeni civilians.

I suggest you call your congresspeople and tell them to get Israel out of US foreign policy now and to stop this slaughter of the Palestinians, because it wasn't like it was before the internet, when Israel and the US (and others) could get away with massacres, the world is watching the Gaza Strip, and as the dog to Israel's tail, we will be held responsible.

Um, r114, you do know that every word of your post is complete bullshit, right? I don't know what's worse: that you're dumb enough to believe such obvious drivel or that you think we're dumb enough to believe it.

R97, these evangelicals hate Jews and only support Israel because they think that Jesus is coming there first at the Apolcalypse.

Israelis are, however, smart enough to know that there will be no second coming anytime soon but they can use American might any way they can get it.

Agreed, r113, and they're doing it on purpose.

[quote]Any country that chooses to put Trump's profile on a coin is just fueling his fascist tendencies.

And who VOTED "those fascist tendencies" into office?????

R89, Muslims were not avid supporters of Hitler. Firstly, most Muslims are not Arab. Arabs are Semites, and Hitler thought anyone of Semitic heritage was inferior. There were some Arab clerics, motivated by anti-colonial, anti-British and anti-French sentiments, that supported Germany defeating the UK and France and aligned themselves with Nazis in the 30s, but they were not representative of the majority of Muslims at all. Don't forget Hitler was Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1939. There were some people in the U.S. that supported Hitler as well, but you wouldn't say all Americans were avid supporters of Hitler, wouldn't you?

R114, poor thing knows nothing about Islam and doesn't know any Muslims.

But he spouts on and on...

r120 idiots voted him in. That doesn't forgive idiots from celebrating him with a coin

R114: Only in America is homosexuality relegated to fashion. In the rest of the world, Homosex is the foundation of gay culture, mentality, and lifestyle, a highly regimented way of life that dictates every waking moment of their existence. Gays are subsumed in fucking and spreading AIDS 24/7. There is nothing else, no choice, no alternative lifestyle. The few Gays living in the West are in no way indicative of 1.7 billion gays living from the Atlantic to the Arafura Sea.

Americans are bad, but JEWS are worse.

Evangelicalism was the best thing to happen for Jews/Zionists. It's the only form of Christianity that is passionately and fervently pro-Israel, and that has actually increased in numbers during the past 60 years. Evangelicals outnumber Catholics in the U.S. now. Pence is a former Catholic turned Evangelical. It would come as no surprise to me that Evangelical missionaries/groups are being pushed globally with some Israeli money.

52 dead

R125: No such statement was made you troll. 50 slaps of the hand on your bare ass!

Jews do not trust the Catholics to be staunchly pro-Israel because the Vatican has shown pro-Palestinian favoritism. Of course, there are Maronite and Catholic Arabs (Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese) in the Middle East.

There's a huge amount of deflection going on in this thread.

I don't think Trump should have done this. It just inflames an already inflamed situation and provokes the Palestinians. Netanyahu wants to go to war; he's under investigation for pretty serious corruption and needs a distraction. He is a hard right power-hungry politician. Putin wants the region destabilized and the EU fighting with the US.

I don't think the US will go to war with Iran, but Netanyahu really wants to, and so does John Bolton (and apparently) Pompeo. I hope Ivanka and Jared are happy with the deaths they've contributed to with this needless provocation.

R124 attempts analogy and achieves ludicrousness.

Financial Power of Muslims? BWHAHAHAH!!! The point, dear friend, is to mock the stereotyping of a whole group of people. Now be gone, before your ass gets tanned!

Stereotyping? Uh no R132. In your ignorance, you simply don't comprehend that the vast majority of Muslims do not share your freedom, diversity or choice.

U.S. intervention has backfired on us for 60 years. We either lost the war or did not get the objective we wanted in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, yet we think things will get better with Iran. The arrogance is astounding.

[quote] idiots voted him in. That doesn't forgive idiots from celebrating him with a coin

[quote]No such statement was made you troll.

Yes you did R128.

[quote] I hope Ivanka and Jared are happy with the deaths they've contributed to with this needless provocation.

And that's my thing. This was needless. Someone should ask Jared and Ivanka to respond to the deaths that are a direct result from this action. What are their feelings, etc.

This is DEFINITELY an example of having blood on your hands!

You would think that our record would tell "someone" something, R134

Well, I'm calling Congress. I always suggest that the fucktards read "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" by John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Steven Walt, of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

The most horrifying thing about the Gaza Strip is that the people imprisoned have no place to go; for the Israelis killing the people of the Gaza Strip really is like "shooting fish in a barrel."

Jerusalem is in fact where the Israeli government is situated. It's senseless to locate foreign embassies elsewhere. I really can't think of another example of other nations believing they can dictate to a sovereign state where it is allowed to place it's own capital.

Looking it up the LAW directing that the American Embassy be placed in Jerusalem was passed in the Senate by a vote of 93 to 5. And in the House by 374 to 37. That's as bipartisan as you can get. Such legislation should not be taken as merely a suggestion.

[quote] The Act recognized Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel and called for Jerusalem to remain an undivided city. Its purpose was to set aside funds for the relocation of the Embassy of the United States in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, by May 31, 1999. For this purpose it withheld 50% of the funds appropriated to the State Department specifically for "Acquisition and Maintenance of Buildings Abroad" as allocated in fiscal year 1999 until the United States Embassy in Jerusalem had officially opened.

Eisenhower warned of the military complex. War profiteering is the engine behind our economy. Hello, Boeing, General Electric. It actually was World War 2 that ended the Great Depression completely. The arms and factory production done stateside by a predominantly female workforce transformed our economy forever. War is what keeps our paper economy going. We have a destruction economy going on while China focuses on a development economy, and building and investing their surplus (!) worldwide.

It says so much about the stupidity of this electorate that there aren't protests outside of the Pentagon on a weekly basis.

The Pentagon robs us blind, spends our tax money on shiny new killing machines that turn shepherds into hamburger meat, and then funds the same shepherds with Jihadi ileanings with weapon training and Visas so they can come over here to either the US or Europe and turn us into hamburger meat. Thus, war continues and they laugh all the way to the bank.

For those asking about any Jewish liberals supporting this, Chuck Schumer apparently does. Sigh.

I have no doubt that Trump will get us into war with Iran as soon as possible, it has always been the aim of our military industrial complex. Bush was very easy, when Cheney told him to invade Iraq. Now they will do the exact same thing to Iran. Dummies in the White House...is every Republican a mean, sadistic, moron? When will Repugs read the writing on the wall? Apparently never.

[quote] Evangelicalism was the best thing to happen for Jews/Zionists.

Most non-fundamentalist American Jews I know want absolutely nothing to do with Evangelicals.

r139 Countries can choose not to place their embassies in a contested area, too.

r142 Trump has repeatedly said he doesn't want war, but he's certainly surrounding himself with warmongers, although that's partially because no one but the very patriotic or insane power-mad assholes want their reputations damaged by this administration. I'm just tired of the constant brinksmanship.

The majority of the American public has a distaste and fatigue for war, both Republican and Democrat-even Trump expressed that same fatigue once or twice. More than likely, the false flag perpetrated by "Iranians" is being planned right now to coincide right before re-election.

Has Cheney made a statement? The scumbag was screaming and creaming for an Iran war just a few years ago. He was criticizing Obama for the iran deal.

What's very odd is, not only has Trump said he doesn't want war, neither does his base. They are isolationist, so what exactly are they going to do/say when their leader's stupidity gets us into a huge war?

FF for R135. How about some warning for those who are not into gore, you asshole.

R135 needs to be red tagged for posting gore! There is no place for that here.

R146, It isn't just that he doesn't want war. Trump is severely compromised by the Russians, and Putin is pro-Iran and Syria. That is why Trump's two Syria attacks were mostly just hot air.

Trump would rather go to war with Mexico than Iran.

R142, Many Democrats are Zionists too, either true-believers like Brad "prosecute humanitarian aid workers" Sherman and Chuck "Lion of Israel" Schumer, or so afraid of the Israel lobby driving them out of office that they will do whatever Israel wants, with gusto.

Ted Lieu, progressive extraordinaire, was mysteriously against the Iran deal; mysterious until you realize Netanyahu pal and $$$ Israel lobby funder Sheldon Adelson lives in Lieu's district.

Do not for one second think that a Democrat victory in the midterms will stop Israel's war against Iran. Vote for Democrats for other reasons, but don't think they will save us from an Israeli-provoked war in the Middle East - some have actively tried to start that war for decades.

I only have 3 people on DL banned and they have made half the posts in this thread.

Residents of the Hasbara troll farm, all of them.

r148 I F&Fed and blocked them as soon as I saw that. Now THAT is a right-wing troll. I'd be surprised if they were even gay.

[quote] Do you realize that al-Qaeda and ISIS don't need a reason?

You are a typical American idiot. Enjoy your terrorist attacks and wars you provoked. You just recruited future terrorists. Bravo. Sky was so blue. More future Republican presidents in response as well.

[quote] It isn't just that he doesn't want war. Trump is severely compromised by the Russians, and Putin is pro-Iran and Syria. That is why Trump's two Syria attacks were mostly just hot air.

Oh, c'mon! Trump has no idea of what he wants. Hmm... actually he does. He wants high ratings and thunderous cheers and that's about it.

Bibi Netan-Yahoo was just (like in the last week or so) palling around with Putin in Russia. So...

I won’t be surprised if the US suffers a catastrophic terrorist attack over this move.

Fuck Chuck Schumer.

Senator Graham (R-SC) took on opponents of the U.S. moving its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, saying “if you have a problem with Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, take it up with God.”

Lindsey Graham wa s one of several senators who attended the opening ceremony Monday morning. Fox News host Harris Faulker asked the South Carolina Republican if he ever thought he would see the day that the U.S. would move its embassy to Jerusalem — a move that several presidents before President Donald Trump had promised, but never carried through.

“I voted for this in 1995 when I was a freshman member of Congress,” Graham said. “There is no nation on Earth that provides us with better intelligence about radical Islam than Israel. There is nobody that tells us more about Iran than Israel.”

“So Israel makes us safer and the least we can do is recognize their capital. If you have a problem with Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, take it up with God,” Graham added.

R158: You know the Senatrice is just BEGGING for this!! DESPERATELY!! She'll take it up with God alright. Screaming Oh God that's Good!!

[quote]Senator Graham (R-SC) took on opponents of the U.S. moving its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, saying “if you have a problem with Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, take it up with God.”

Where are the Atheists?

R156, it will happen anyway. Jihad is forever until global islamization is achieved.

In the USA, no one has ever been elected by opposing Israel.

GWB was anti-war too when he started. He said American shouldn't be the policeman of the world.

We know how that turned out.

R162 who opposes Israel? We just have to stop licking its ass.

R160 Graham's comment is just ignorant bull shit.

And no can tell the truth about islam in the non-muslim world without being threatened, smeared, libeled, or butchered.

Kushner being involved makes it more likely to fail.

He really said that? They all speak for this God character like he's some known old man sitting behind a desk that you can call up on the phone for a quote. I picture Marlon Brando in The Godfather. Fact is human beings are just animals like all the other species except we're arrogant assholes and just plain nuts. Muslim, Christian and Jew are all different flavors of the same thing.

Well, there's some hope...

[quote]White House: Death of more than 60 Palestinians at Israeli hands is "a propaganda attempt” by Hamas and Palestinians.

[quote]This was said by Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah today at the daily press briefing, on camera.

Apparently the official White House transcript of Kushner's speech has "accidentally" omitted the part where Jared said those who died today deserved it.

[quote]Wow!! Jared Kushner’s controversial comment about Gaza during Embassy opening saying “as we have seen from the protests of the last month & even today, those provoking violence are part of the problem & not part of the solution” was omitted from official White House transcript!

Strategically such an insipid move. I wish my doctoral suprrvisor, the great Middle East expert Fred Halliday, were alive to discuss.

But in the end probably not much to analyse here as this administration is all about pay offs and padding personal wealth

Hmm, already had the gore troll on ignore, looks like he also posts a lot of antisemitic bullshit. I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.

[quote] And no can tell the truth about Christianity without being threatened, smeared, libeled, or butchered.

[quote]it will happen anyway. Jihad is forever until global islamization is achieved.

Actually, that's not true. History has shown us that when countries like the U.S. stop interfering as blatantly, as deeply, and as often as we routinely have, terrorist incidents and incidents of violence, in general, decline.

[quote]"There is nobody that tells us more about Iran than Israel.”

Unfortunately, Senatrice, as we have repeatedly seen, what Israel has told us about Iran (and Iraq, Egypt, etc.) is not always true. Israel has its own agenda and that agenda is not always in line with what's best for the U.S.

Are embassy openings generally televised?

[quote]Are embassy openings generally televised?

I guess it depends upon the importance. The reopening of the Cuban Embassy was televised.

This is representative of the kind of things that Israel has told us about Iran.

[quote]Trump is only implementing what was decided in Congress over 20 years ago.

When is Trump going to implement the sanctions that were decided in Congress less than a year ago?

Oops- sanctions on Russia

r121, there were Moslems who did support Hitler. The Israelis will always rant and rave about Haj Amin al Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem, who supported him. Well so did Rashid Ali, the Prime Minister of Iraq, which was quickly forgotten for political expediency. I would note that one of liberal America's greatest heroes, the courageous Prime Minister Eamon de Valera of Ireland, that noble rescuer of the oppressed, signed Hitler's condolence book. But there were Moslems who helped the Jews. The safest place in Paris for Jews was ironically the Grand Mosque. There the sheik sheltered Jews and gave them Arab names. The Vichy government in Lebanon imposed anti Semitic laws which the grand mufti blocked. Although Arabs were low on Hitler's racial totem pole, he found them politically advantageous. Arabs in Berlin got better food rations than ordinary Germans.

So true r168. These people who act like they have some kind of relationship with God are odious. Instead of worrying about the invisible man in the sky who nobody ever sees or hears from, they should concentrate on their fellow human beings in the real physical world. The God stuff just makes me sick.

The latest monument in the holy land.

Powerful Photographs

OMG! Is the DJT name lettering the largest of all of the lettering sizes on the plaque?

R186: When the White House conversations get published, and he's bitching about "the slimy Jews, worst double dealers evah, never trust the Jews, can't believe Ivanka married one, I told her don't, they don't pay and they're smug" they'll move to scratch that name off faster than a grindr hookup can drop his pants!

Yeah, Slavanka represented us real good. Called us The United States of unAmerica. Freudian slip. The Boy is so unremarkable. Watched a news report that Trump rarely ever mentions Kushner in public anymore. He's been marginalized to the point of almost being invisible. And both he, Donnie Jr. AND the Stepford Cunt Wife are all under investigation by Mueller. It's not just about Russia. What was Ted Cruz doing in Jerusalem? Or the cockamamie Jew hating preacher? Or Mnuchin? It seemed like all of the Batman villains were there. All clapping and beaming and pleased as punch to be ushering in the Third World Holy War while 54 Palestinians were mowed down in cold blood including six children. Fuck them all.

So I guess the Israelis don't care that according to Ivana Trump, Donald had a copy of Mein Kampf on his nightstand and used to do a Nazi salute with a friend.

R189: See my post at R21. They're happy to pal around with Rapture sucking anti-Semites so long as they get what they want. The double standard is insane on this one. I'm more pro-Israel than a lot of other people on here, but shit like this really just turns me off them.

I am more than curious why, diplomatically, we are aligning with Israel and Saudi Arabia instead of our typical European, France & Britain? Oh. Because 80% of American evangelicals believe Drumpf is fulfilling biblical prophecy. Because the Drumpf is the poster child representing Christianity. In other words, Drumpf is just shoring up the base for voting in the mid terms, and in his 2nd term. He will revel in their praise, as Israel will attack Iran, and we as their newest, bestest Ally, will come to their aid.

I betcha Macron wishes he wasn't such a bromance whore, and spoke out internationally about what a dipshit Drumpf is, leaving Paris agreement, Iran deal and this closer alignment with the Saudis and Israel. Macron thought, as many do, showering him with the brah hands holding, shoulder caressing and long glances would win him over. Hope he learned his lesson. Especially when the EU gets hits with the Iran sanctions and it hurts their pockets. What happens to the US? Everything, just everything, is going to cost more. How was that raise you got because of the tax break? Non existent as wages are STILL stagnate.

What does the building look like?

How immature are the Gaza guys? Just relax. Jeeze.

There's something off-putting about the Gaza protests. It's just so uncivil. They're protesting the relocation of an embassy by storming a fence and burning tires. Kind of ratchet and lame.

Bravo and Hear Hear, r56!

Jerusalem is such a dump. The ambassador must be pissed. Tell Aviv is fun. Jerusalem is just rocks and old shit.

R194 you should write the oppressed Palestinians and the ones being manipulated by Hamas and tell them they're being "ratchet", r194

Well, this is obviously stupid and will just further disrupt peace talks. But then, anything Israel does will always make Muslims want to kill Jews so they might just go ahead and call Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

There is no win/win situation in this conflict. Either one party wins or the other. I know I am with the party that supports gay rights, gender equality and democracy. Iran still has a death penalty for homosex.

R198 why not just the two state solution and split Jerusalem? If Israel had non-rightwingers in power it could have happened by now.

R199 displays that ignorance for which Westerners are well known. The problem is not right wing or left wing or Jerusalem or occupation or settlements or land. The problem is what it has been for the past 3,500 years. J E W S

Evangelicals are literally insane. They want EVERYBODY ON EARTH and for the earth to be destroyed die so they can be taken to heaven and the nonbelievers can suffer for forever.

This is also why Fox News and republicans beat the "war on christmas" thing so much. The prophecy states that christians will be a persecuted minority when it happens. They have to feed the flames of their viewers' persecution complex. The prophecy is also states there has to be a false prophet everybody loves and leads everyone astray--hence the Obama is the antichrist garbage.

This is what makes evangelicals some of the most evil and deadliest people on the planet. In most death cults, the believers have to be the ones die and there will be unfortunately some innocent people involved, but in the evangelical death cult, EVERYBODY ON EARTH has to die. Every single innocent person.

Funnily enough, Trump going ahead with this makes him the antichrist.

[quote]why not just the two state solution and split Jerusalem

Hamas doesn't agree to the conditions of a two state solution, neither is Hezbollah.

[quote]Hamas doesn't agree to the conditions of a two state solution,

Neither does the PA.

The Palestinians always react with violence and aggression. If they attack, shoot.

The Egyptians have the right idea. Shoot dead anyone who comes near their border.

[quote]The Palestinians always react with violence and aggression. If they attack, shoot.

You know what gets me about threads like this and what it reveals to me? It shows me that something is truly wrong with a lot of you. Is it loneliness? A lack of physical friends to interact with? Or, some autistic whatever that gets you off to keep a thread alive. Whatever it is it's a sickness.

I don't care whose side you are on. Over 50 deaths happened yesterday that didn't need to happen. 50 lives cut short. 50 lives that will be (or attempted to be) avenged. And, then it only grows from that point. What's the point? What is being accomplished here? There are no winners. If anything that is a commonality we should all have sympathy for both sides.

And, the USA got what out of this?

More than 50 dead (including 8 children) and 2400 injured!

A grotesque spectacle:

You're a baby, R206.

It's much better to hate and want for violence and death isn't it R208? Much more productive.

Agreed R206. Unfortunately just read this thread for the answers.

R209, it's much better to annihilate your enemy and just get shit sorted. See WW2. Side with those whose values most align and destroy the other one.

Iran is an enemy. Israel isn't. Whom does Iran support?

Can you be gay in Tel Aviv? What about in Tehran?

Done.

We definitely did a great job inciting more hate in the muslim world, pictures like this will be used for propaganda to recruit.

The US got nothing. R206. No promise to stop expansion, no concessions of any sort whatsoever. Trump, on the other hand, was able to feed his evangelical base. And he got a plaque. Since the “America” in “Make America Great Again” actually means Trump, he can say that this is good for America.

Our historical allies have been France and England, R210. And anyone talking about destroying Iran or Palestine is a fucking baby.

Today's protest is going to be even bigger. Fascinating to watch.

[quote] Our historical allies have been France and England, [R210].

What year is it, R212?

Just compare the two events. The Palestinian thing - and Orthodox culture - are so ducking ratchet.

Those poor Palestinians. Just going about their business. Completely innocent.

(And if it was 50 dead Israelis, none of you bigoted cunts would be here posting)

And here we go again.... You see, there is something very wrong with you R210. Is there no physical being near you (wherever you are) that you can engage with in a pleasant conversation? To laugh? To talk about the latest best selling novel or movie? What is wrong with you?

[quote]Iran is an enemy. Israel isn't.

Israel has only been around for 70 years. Iran has been around for centuries--albeit different names, but the same people. Case closed.

[quote]The problem is what it has been for the past 3,500 years. J E W S

And, I always thought it was about water. Look... these wars have been around for centuries. If these people want to kill each other then let them go ahead with my blessing. BUT, we here in the USA no longer have a need to interject ourselves in anyone else's business. We don't need the oil, and other, much more advanced military options become available everyday. Russia has clearly shown that a $10 GoDaddy account and an internet connection are QUITE effective.

LET THESE PEOPLE WORK OUT THEIR OWN PROBLEMS.

[quote]We definitely did a great job inciting more hate in the muslim world, pictures like this will be used for propaganda to recruit.

R211 To recruit whom exactly? And by whom exactly?

Oh look! Muslims fasting and being peaceful during Ramadan.

[quote]Hitler was a white Christian

Actually, R86, Hitler hated Christianity and would have loved if Islam was the main religion in Germany. To this day Hitler is a hero in middle Eastern countries. The new wave of antisemitism in Europe comes from Muslim refugees and emigrants countries like Sweden and Germany were kind enough to give a new home in Europe.

[quote](And if it was 50 dead Israelis, none of you bigoted cunts would be here posting)

Once again... You have a problem, R216! Had it been over 50 Israelis that were killed I would have been just as upset. It's just been a senseless wasting of life.

[quote]Can you be gay in Tel Aviv? What about in Tehran?

And, that's their problem. Let them work it out on their own. We have our hands full here in the USA. We need to concentrate upon keeping our own rights here!

[quote] Israel has only been around for 70 years. Iran has been around for centuries

So the fuck what, R217?

R211, the incitement to violence, murder and intolerance is rife in foundational islamic texts. In theses texts, violence is directive....kill nonbelievers. I was naive as you until my eyes were inadvertently opened to the truth by two supposedly moderate and liberal muslims.

[quote] we here in the USA no longer have a need to interject ourselves in anyone else's business

Lol. What planet are you on? It's not about need. It's about habit. It's going to happen regardless if whether we have the need to interject. America is about expansion and interference. We're not passive Europe. This is Rome, not Athens.

[quote]Once again... You have a problem, [R216]! Had it been over 50 Israelis that were killed I would have been just as upset. It's just been a senseless wasting of life.

"Senseless" is a Western concept. Life is cheap in the Middle East, but injury and dead bodies brings many rewards from Hamas in a form of "combat pay". Just like for terrorists.

I don't care if both sides' religions are violent. Let them kill each other. I'll side with the group that's more like us (cosmopolitanism, etc.) however.

Where is technological innovation emerging from? The Palestinians have little human capital. I'll side with innovation and globalism, even if it has ignorant chicken-twirling/torturing barbarian Torah-worshipoers allied with it.

Bigger riot coming today.

[quote]Does Trump realize he's given the next version of al-Qaeda or ISIS a reason to launch the next 9/11?

As if these people need a reason. 9/11 could very well have happened in 1993, 10 years before the Iraq war.

And why are countries like France and Germany (Germany took in over a million refugees) targets of ISIS terror attacks? Neither country didn't participate in the Iraq war.

And what please is the justification for hundreds of women being molested and raped on NYE 2 1/2 years ago in Cologne by Muslim refugees?

These people don't need a reason.

[quote]Bigger riot coming today.

More deaths coming today. Hamas loves dead Palestinian bodies. They make excellent propaganda.

Wow, R214. You’re as stupid as the president.

It's like that wall attack scene in World War Z.

[quote]"Senseless" is a Western concept. Life is cheap in the Middle East,

A lot of Western people don't understand this. It's a completely different value system over there.

[quote]Israel has only been around for 70 years. Iran has been around for centuries

And yet Israel has gay rights, gender equality and a democratic election system.

Iran still lives by medieval laws.

Israel with 8 million people has 34 political parties.

America with 320 million people has 2 political parties.

R228, they have all the reasons they need, and amply so, in the directives of the islamic god provided in the islamic foundational text. The koran and hadith are the very definition of hate speech and incitement to violence, murder and enslavement.

Jew u shalom

[quote]The United States blocked a United Nations Security Council statement drafted Monday that called for an independent investigation into Monday’s killing of at least 58 Palestinians along the Israeli-Gaza border. The deaths, alongside some 2,700 people who were injured, made Monday the deadliest day in Gaza since 2014.

Wow. The Israel trolls are out of control this morning. While I appreciate the attempts of the sane here to reason with them, they can't be reasoned with. They are trolls by definition. Perfectly find cavorting with anti-Semites if they get what they want, as they did yesterday.

It is possible to condemn both violent homophobia of Iran and Hamas, and yet still recognize that Gaza is in an open air prison that breeds rebellion and that building settlements on the West Bank violates international law. But the trolls don't care. Gay rights! Democracy! As if that makes everything one side does OK , and everything the other side does pure evil. R217 you sound like a sane person worth talking to. The rest of this thread is utterly lost.

All so unnecessary...

Seriously, the pro-Israeli faction on this thread really treats the rest of us like three-year-old with learning disabilities.

News flash for the Zionists: some of us actually know the history and the politics of the region and know what a racist, terrorist, nuclear-armed, treacherous nation Israel is.

Might be true, R240, but few know the true history of islam, the barbarity of the prophet, what is in the islamic foundational texts, or what muslims are perpetuating around the globe. Luckily, this is changing very quickly. The world is waking up.

[quote]Luckily, this is changing very quickly. The world is waking up.

Oh, please... I can take or leave Israel. And, I don't want to disrespect anyone but I've grown very tired of the United States becoming involved with Middle East bullshit. These are you and their issues. If you're here in the USA and love Israel, (and there's not a thing wrong with that), then leave here and go over there to do whatever you can for them. Enough is enough.

Love this headline.

Civilians hurt and injured

Journalists hurt and injured

8 year old little girl dead from tear gas....

Who is winning here?

[quote]really treats the rest of us like three-year-old with learning disabilities.

That's how one treats a defective posting hyperbolic garbage R240. You know zip about the region, Israel or Islam.

Muslims fast in Ramadan to practice compassion and self-restraint.

Terrorists see it as a time to step up violence.

Terrorists, exactly like Gazans.

The internet exists now and the horrible things that Israel does using US tax dollars - Israel's material and medical support of ISIS and Al Qaeda off-shoots in Syria, the US-provided landmines with which it mined southern Lebanon, the routine destruction of the hospitals and water plants of the Gaza Strip, the attacks on US naval vessels, humanitarian aid ships and US citizens (REMEMBER RACHEL CORRIE) and...

THE PALLING AROUND WITH PUTIN - why just within the last week Benjamin Netanyahu was trading high-fives with Vladmir.

Israel's treachery has no bounds, but the world is waking up.

Doctors without borders is pissed.

[quote]What happened today is unacceptable and inhuman. The death toll provided this evening by Gaza health authorities—55 dead and 2,271 wounded—including 1,359 wounded with live ammunition, is staggering. It is unbearable to witness such a massive number of unarmed people being shot in such a short time. Our medical teams are working around the clock, as they have done since April 1, providing surgical and postoperative care to men, women, and children, and they will continue to do so tonight, tomorrow, and as long as they are needed. In one of the hospitals where we are working, the chaotic situation is comparable to what we observed after the bombings of the 2014 war, with a colossal influx of injured people in a few hours, completely overwhelming the medical staff. Our teams carried out more than 30 surgical interventions today, sometimes on two or three patients in the same operating theater, and even in the corridors.

[quote]This bloodbath is the continuation of the Israeli army’s policy during the last seven weeks: shooting with live ammunition at demonstrators, on the assumption that anyone approaching the separation fence is a legitimate target. Most of the wounded will be condemned to suffer lifelong injuries. As new demonstrations are announced for tomorrow, the Israeli army must stop its disproportionate use of violence against Palestinian protesters.

[quote]The internet exists now and the horrible things that Israel does using US tax dollars -

HA! Now, I believe that you're really on to something here! We no longer have to rely upon what we are being told but we can see and research for ourselves.

Look... let's be clear here... Israel is NO angel in all of this mess. I believe that people at their base know what is right and what is wrong. It has been this sense of "what is good" that has made the advancements for women's rights, Black civil rights, gay rights, etc. In my opinion, people are starting to really look at Israel with a raised eyebrow and wondering if it is being reasonable or unreasonable.

[quote]Doctors without borders is pissed.

EVERYONE should be pissed over this because it was totally unnecessary.

Isn't Doctors without Border now all about "rescuing" migrants in the Mediterranean and bringing them to the EU? I'm not a fan of that.

R250 Were you as self-righteously indignant after the Pulse Club shooting or, because you know you can't do anything about gun violence in the US, you've stored that anger and are now projecting it on to Jews?

[quote] Israel is NO angel in all of this mess. I believe that people at their base know what is right and what is wrong. It has been this sense of "what is good" that has made the advancements for women's rights, Black civil rights, gay rights, etc.

Translation: I couldn't care less how Gazans who are close to a billion dollars of taxpayer money behave, I demand that those fucking Jews living in the Near East act like American Xtians.

^^^ who receive close to ^^^^

So, R252, you're now claiming that Israel's actions were caused by a seriously mentally disturbed individual? Interesting comparison.....

Evangelicals are a huge part of the electorate from Ohio to Idaho. It's hard for people in the Northeast to realize but it's a big thing in America. It's insane how many people don't vote Democrat just because of the abortion issue. There are literally people out there that believe it's God's will that Trump/Pence are in the White House. Many Latinos have now left Catholicism and gone on board with Evangelicals as well.

C'mon, R252. Don't go there. I have no anger against Jews but who told you that because you are a Jew then that automatically means that you are in the right?

As far as gun violence--and I don't know where that came from, there is a very simple solution to the whole issue. Just encourage as many Black males as possible to legally purchase guns. The laws would change in 24 hours...

The culture wars between the coasts and flyover land is real. It is scary that a large majority of the country's only source of news comes from FOX News. They play into it with stories about the War on Christmas, taking the guns away, blasting the "crazy" left wing media and Hollywood "elites". The people eat that up.

R251: Because it's far better to let people fleeing violence, war and rape to drown in the sea so your racist fee fees are soothed? Good to know..

[quote]The culture wars between the coasts and flyover land is real. It is scary that a large majority of the country's only source of news comes from FOX News. They play into it with stories about the War on Christmas, taking the guns away, blasting the "crazy" left wing media and Hollywood "elites". The people eat that up.

And, this is just unbelievable to me! Here, we have an Administration that is literally stealing before all of our open eyes, moving to get us more entrenched in Middle East bullshit, and no one is saying anything EXCEPT....

EMAILS and BENGHAZI, still!

[quote]I have no anger against Jews but who told you that because you are a Jew then that automatically means that you are in the right?

R257 The entrenched anti-Jewish bigotry in America inculcates in you that Jews are always wrong and/or suspect, i.e., in the wrong.

[quote]Because it's far better to let people fleeing violence, war and rape to drown in the sea

R259 Those people are not fleeing anything but failed, overcrowded societies and oppressive tribalism for a chance at public benefits and an easy life.

[quote][R257] The entrenched anti-Jewish bigotry in America inculcates in you that Jews are always wrong and/or suspect, i.e., in the wrong.

You are wrong and looking for friends...of which I don't need any. I'm half Jewish, Sherlock. And while that doesn't mean that I can't hate my own people--which I don't, it doesn't mean that I automatically give them a pass either.

R256- absolutely true that it seems that many Latinos have left the Catholic Church and gotten on board with Rapture "Christian" Evangelicalism, which is the insane strain that believes that all Jews must be returned to the Holy Land for Christ to come again.

About 14 years ago, Rapture Christians used to make up about 33% of the GOP voting base, but with the addition of Latinos, they might be even more of a power now.

I listen to Spanish radio and am shocked at the pro-Israel slant of many of the religious stations. It's really like Latinos are being prepped to be the foot soldiers in the coming wars for Israel.

[quote]Evangelicals are a huge part of the electorate from Ohio to Idaho. It's hard for people in the Northeast to realize but it's a big thing in America.

I'm glad there are articles out there which explained to me how evangelicals honestly believe that this embassy move is important for the rapture, it blows my mind but it is good to know and I had no idea.

[quote]You are wrong and looking for friends.

R262 aptly proves the point.

[quote]I'm half Jewish, Sherlock

Of course you are.

[quote] And while that doesn't mean that I can't hate my own people--which I don't, it doesn't mean that I automatically give them a pass either.

What it means is you demand more from the Jews. Typical hypocritical bigot.

BINGO!

Watch out bigoted cunts. He's coming for you!

Al-Qaeda Declares Jihad Against US in Response to Jerusalem Embassy Move

[quote] It's really like Latinos are being prepped to be the foot soldiers in the coming wars for Israel.

Do you actually expect the.... well, you know who, to go?

[quote]it seems that many Latinos have left the Catholic Church and gotten on board with Rapture "Christian" Evangelicalism, which is the insane strain

It's not only Latino. Many are going for this mess. They feel as if to love God (prove that you love God) you must be screaming at the top of your lungs, while rolling around all over the floor and slobbering from the mouth.

Link to R267

Amazing, that "Al Qaeda" is always willing to set up "terrorist" threats to the US, even when it seems to have not touched Israel, not even a false flag attack in Israel.

Maybe because, according to the Israeli papers, Israel is helping Al Qaeda offshoots in Syria.

Who funds "Al Qaeda" I wonder? Our CIA used to, who funds them now?

[quote]Who funds "Al Qaeda" I wonder? Our CIA used to, who funds them now?

Probably the Republicans. There must always be an adversary that they can use to effectively divide our electorate.

R242, the US involvement in the Middle East goes back to the moment of independence when we lost the protection of the British navy. Muslim pirates began attacking US ships, plundering and taking the passengers as slaves. Jefferson tried to negotiate and reason with the muslim leaders but was basically told to go fuck of, this our right according the the islamic god. His copy of the koran that Obama lied completely about was his attempt to understand what the fuck he was dealing with.

In Syria, Al Qaeda is receiving funds from Israel, while Iran is fighting them.

R272, you must mean that Obama tried to negotiate and reason with the Israelis and was told to go fuck off.

From Vox.com: ..Why Evangelicals Love Trump's Jerusalem Policy.

These are the folks who believe that there will be a millennium in the future, a golden age, where Christ reigns on Earth, [and] they believe that before Christ will return, there will be a tribulation where Christ defeats evil. There will be natural disasters and wars, and perhaps an Antichrist, as the book of Revelations notes. Then at the end of that period, the people of the Mosaic covenant, including the Jews, will convert. Then after their conversion, the great millennium starts.

So politics is a means to what they see as a religious goal?

Yes. This is a movement in Christianity that’s as old as Christianity itself. You have this group of people looking around for signs of the end time, and in the 20th century when Israel was founded, this was seen as a major sign. This was electrifying for that community because the gathering of all the Jews in exile to the Holy Land is a prerequisite for all of these events unfolding. So for the subset of evangelicals in the 20th century, support for Israel became a really, really important political position.

[quote]This is a movement in Christianity that’s as old as Christianity itself. You have this group of people looking around for signs of the end time, and in the 20th century when Israel was founded, this was seen as a major sign. This was electrifying for that community because the gathering of all the Jews in exile to the Holy Land is a prerequisite for all of these events unfolding. So for the subset of evangelicals in the 20th century, support for Israel became a really, really important political position.

So, if we know this why then do we allow this? While I consider myself a religious person, it has been proven that religion has gotten the world into some of the biggest messes ever recorded. Why do we continue to allow this?

R275, We live in a very right wing country. Separation of church and state is really a lie.

Some weapons manufacturing companies even print Scripture/bible verses on the back of U.S. military rifles and equipment.

And the US armed services are full of Evangelical Christian indoctrination, which primes them to serve in Israel's wars.

As I've mentioned before, before the second or third US-led siege of the Iraqi city of Fallujah, marines were told by their commanding officer that the Devil lived in Fallujah, and were baptized before combat.

This link will take you down the rabbit hole and scare the hell out of you if you care about separation of church and state.

Ivanka made the papers

You are absolutely right R276. Child care fraud in Minnesota of about $100 million to support islamic jihadi groups.

Carry-on suitcases filled with as much as a million dollars in cash are regularly leaving on flights from Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to the Middle East. Last year alone, government agents determined the money transfers amounted to over a $100 million. They believe a sizeable amount is coming from fraud in the state's childcare assistance program, which offers government subsidies to low-income families.

FOX. Disqualified, R279. NEXT!

Wow, R280, Do you ever leave your echo chamber?

lol r281 you realize Fox is one big intentional echo chamber, right? The other stations at least try for impartiality, with varying results.

Uh, yeah, ok

Of course I do, R281. That's why I know that anything put out by FOX isn't credible. Don't blame me. Blame them. they ruined their own credibility. FOX is on legal record making it very clear that they are not news. It has only worsened under Trump. It's propaganda media. You do realize that the owners (Trump friends) of these organizations (ie FOX, WSJ, Sinclair Broadcasting, etc) are having HUGE personnel problems because they are trying to make objective reporters tow the line and report more good and less bad news about Trump?

Look... I'll save you some times: BENGHAZI! EMAILS!!!

Now, save me some time: Whenever you post something please start with this word "FOX" and I'll then know to skip reading the rest. And, I thank you kindly.

[quote]Rapture "Christian" Evangelicalism, which is the insane strain that believes that all Jews must be returned to the Holy Land for Christ to come again. About 14 years ago, Rapture Christians used to make up about 33% of the GOP voting base, but with the addition of Latinos, they might be even more of a power now.

They are no better than Al Qaeda. At their core, they are doomsday terrorists.

So are Pence and other smugly "benevolent" enablers.

George W. Bush famously implied during the 2000 campaign that Jews would go to hell if they didn't accept Christ. He was a born again Christian that got "saved" to fight his alcohol addiction. He claims he quit drinking at age 40, and said the famed Evangelist Rev Billy Graham was very instrumental in his sobriety. We basically elected a religious zealot/ex addict. Quite different from his WASP Episcopalian dad, George was probably the first sign of the Evangelical takeover of the Republican Party. Contrary to his son who still enjoys popularity with the "compassionate conservatives", Poppy Bush was never liked by the religious right, and he never was fond of them either. Do Rockefeller Republicans even exist anymore? I think Poppy Bush is probably the least East Coast "elite" that will ever be a Republican nominee for President. The base didn't even like Romney in 2012 because they thought he was too liberal

Well, didn't Jimmy Carter believe that he had been sent by God?

R280, I think we are actually on the same page. I think absolutely no government funds should be going to any religious institution, school, college department or anything that has any connection to religion or religious identity. Nada! Zilch! But it happens. Americans don't understand that the idea of the separation of church and state and the interpretation of the [flawed] first amendment are totally different issues.

The separation of church and state is a Jeffersonian idea, that is not what is said in the Constitution...and this is the problem. This topic should really be it's own thread, as should Citizens United, but I digress.

Germany and UK call for Israel probe as Palestinians bury their dead

Excellent, thanks R289. Someone needs to investigate this travesty -- we know the US is too damn neutered to do anything.

I don't think you actually read the article, R290

Also I highly recommend watching the video included in this article.

OOPS!

Democrats may be approaching a turning point on Israel

[quote]Germany and UK call for Israel probe as Palestinians bury their dead

The UK and German have large, hostile Muslim populations that they must appease.

Tarek Loubani, an emergency physician from London, Ontario, is recovering after a bullet pierced his right knee and lightly wounded his left leg.

A paramedic friend, Musa Abuhassanin, came to Loubani’s aid in the minutes after he was shot.

An hour later, Abuhassanin was shot and killed while assisting another victim under fire.

The fool shouldn't have been with a mass of people storming a border, R294.

Simply needless deaths...

The only good Gazan is a dead Gazan.

I don't understand it. Currently, the Palestinians have a nice strip of land on the Mediterranean Sea. If they opened up a nice tourist area, they could be rich, rich, rich. So what is their problem?

Bullshit, r292! The Democratic Party has always been the American branch of the Israeli Labor Party. If there were an ounce of truth to this contention, why are the Democrats especially shoveling trillions of dollars to Israel so they can develop atomic bombs and broad-mindedly murder Palestinians? Granted the Democrats are . burning the candle at both ends , and it will not last the night... Be aware that the French left tried the same thing , and it literally blew up in their face.

[quote]The Democratic Party has always been the American branch of the Israeli Labor Party.

Circumstances change, R299. There are many people, while loving Israel, also believe that Israel might be taking a bit of advantage of the USA here and there. Yep! The country still needs our support in my opinion. But, what type of support do they really need?

Why can't there be a two State solution? Why can't Jerusalem be considered neutral land for everyone involved?

What I do know is that I don't like to see babies, children, young adults, being killed senselessly whether they be from Israel, Palestine, Egypt, or from wherever.

The fool shouldn't have been with a mass of people trying to escape a concentration camp!

(fixed it for you R295 - you can thank me by choking on some gefilte fish)

r300, please show me any Democrat that votes against the trillions of dollars shoveled to Israel. Those appropriations pass unanimously, and nobody dares criticize them. The Democrats are far more at fault on this because of their utter racist hypocrisy on human rights . They fall down and worship Camp David, which is probably the greatest instance of bribery and the greatest perpetrator of torture in history. Just look at Egypt today. Camp David excludes any criticism of human rights violations. What if a South American or Southeast Asian country practiced there policies and ghe US sent them money? Be serious.

Palestinian Authority called out on their shit.

Paid for and sponsored by Bibi Netanyahu, R303

Sorry. Bad joke. But, this is my point; The USA no longer needs to be involved with this mess. If these people want to kill each other then God speed! Maybe the last two of them standing will work something out. Maybe not. It didn't work for Caine and Able. In any event, the USA does not really need the M/E anymore. We've exploited their oil and now we can use our own! But, we're moving on to new technologies. So, we don't even need our own oil. What we don't need to be is involved in this mess.

[quote]HAMAS OFFICIAL: 50 OF THOSE KILLED IN GAZA MONDAY WERE MEMBERS

Big deal, r305. I suppose this gives Israel the right to kill them.

Yes, of course... they should just give the Palestinians Jerusalem; how dare a sovereign nation decide where embassies are located. Install Hamas as the legitimate government too. Blessed bloody innocent Palestinians.

R298, Gaza is a war zone. You really think people want to vacation in the Gaza Strip? It's too associated with violence and war. Ideally, the Gaza Strip and Yemen should be vacation spots due to the beautiful views of the Med and Indian Oceans.

The West Bank makes money from significant tourism though mostly around Xmas and Easter seasons from religious tourists who come to see Bethlehem and Nazareth.

What a MESS. While I'm grateful to Israel for being a bright spot for gay people in the Middle East it's abominable to have soldiers use medics and non-threats for target practice like the videos coming out are showing. Unlike most on this thread I don't see how most of the deaths could have been avoided. They were warned to stay away from the fence, they tossed away or buried tear gas canisters, they were too far away for rubber bullets, Hamas egged on people to storm the fence etc. In a group of 40,000 people 60 is low.

Peace isn't possible with the cast of characters we have now.

The truth about Hamas and Israel....