Are Russians the trailer trash of Europe?

They are not European.

They are embarrassing and they are a menace. The size of their country is the only thing they have going for them at this point.

You can find trash in every culture.

They are not one person. St. Petersburg is a wonderful city filled with beautiful and lovely people. Until you spend time there, shut the fuck up.

Yeah, R3. No pity for Russians. Sure, every culture has trash. But Russians just have a disproportionate amount of shit-stirring, homophobic, racist, sociopathic freaks.

I blame the booze. I think all of that vodka got to their brains as babies and children.

My Polish-born grandmother hated them, and she loved everyone else.

They're not european, they're slavic.

They're not European OP. They never have been and never will be.

You seem quite bizarre and stupid to lump a whole nation of people together as stereotype...

You know - it's pretty much the same as someone saying that ALL Americans are fat, stupid hillbillies who drink Mountain Dew, have missing teeth and vote Republican. Is that true?

Ivan seems offended.

We don't do trailers in Europe like Americans, but Russians are indeed trash.

Europeans are not fond of the Russians but now the Chinese tourists are becoming even more despised.

They are not Asian either, so don't you dare try to pawn them off on us!

R10, Russians are not despised in China, though. A cheap Russian whore can still make plenty of yuan to take back to her impoverished country.

They are not European, just trash.

The English or Germans are the white trash of Europe.

Which one is Ivan R8?

There is a reason why after losing WWII, the Germans rejoiced at being captured by American military instead of the raping and pillaging Russian barbarians.

What is even going on in that picture at OP?

They're drunk R17. It's really not that hard to work out from looking at the picture.

Another society that needs to be exterminated. They’re all nothing but drunk psychopaths.

Are russians ever not drunk?

I wonder if Russian trolls ever constantly get punked this effectively and hilariously on other forums besides Datalounge?

The whole Russian nation is constantly drunk R20. Every single one of them starts drinking the moment they wake up in the morning until the very second before they pass out in the evening.

Every.Single.One.Of.Them.

Well R22, certain terribly sad facts make you wonder if that is true?

Russian mothers do dip their babies' pacifiers in vodka to quiet them down when they are crying too much. That is a real thing, albeit a type of folk medicine.

I assume m all the intelligent, passionate, freedom fighting peasants were killed by either Stalin, the Nazis or the KGB, and the more decent surviving aristocrats emigrated to America.

But I wrote a letter to Russia 30 years ago and they were really kind to me, Dorothy.

[quote]Another society that needs to be exterminated. They’re all nothing but drunk psychopaths.

Umm...

They are experiencing massive population and resource depletion. They have less than half the population of the US.

The sailor on the right looks like he's 45 years old, but I assume he's in his 20s?

"We don't do trailers in Europe like Americans"

Caravan trash?

Russians seem to live only to bully, invade, and troll others.

R14 I am a German you prejudiced piece of shit.

No, OP. Russia is a very large country with a great variety of ethnic groups, educational and social backgrounds and cultural legacies. Lumping every single Russian into some vague notion of a "beastly, dipsomaniac underclass" stereotype is downright stupid of you, and it shows how ignorant, prejudiced and idiotic YOU are.

Yes, in Russia there are extreme problems - the merciless application of neoliberal Capitalism that took place in the 90s caused extreme social imbalances and plunged millions upon millions of people into abject poverty. In fact, the economic model that they still have is exactly the same as the US, and the results are not different in any way - widespread poverty, the government cutting back on basic services, the private sector running amok and societal degradation. They also have problems with totalitarian pseudo-democracy, brutally biased media that constantly spews out propaganda, militarisation, underhanded repression and potential energetic and environmental catastrophe. They also have problems with ultra-conservatism and religious fanaticism...

Just like, guess who? The USA - and no, Trump isn't to blame for all of this. America started an arrogant race towards imperialistic self-destruction long before WW2, and no amount of "anti-Communist" barking from the Republican party and Social Justice Warrior-ing from the Democrats will change this fact, nor does it obscure it to those among us with a modicum of common sense. Oh, and Trump isn't what is wrong with America; he is just the consequence of the heavy-handed militaristic, blindly pro-Capitalistic approach that America has always applied to everything, and has been promoted by everyone including the "saintly" Clintons and Obama.

So yes, there are many things that are preoccupying about Russia, but the US is just as bad and the worst thing is that you want to infect the EU through TTIP and CETA. Also, if you think that many of us don't realize that this is an ideological war to prepare the ground for a large scale armed conflict against Russia, Iran, Venezuela and China, you're sorely mistaken.

If the US wants to start wars, you are welcome to do it. Just don't drag everybody else into it as you did with Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, you despicable motherfuckers. Here in Europe we have already had to deal with the consequences of your wars in the Middle East, and we're starting to get tired. We've also had to pay for that little stunt you pulled with the Arab Spring... So, if you are threatened by Russia, China and their allies, you deal with it all alone, you pigs. The rest of us don't have t deal with the consequences.

R30 you make them sound just like Americans.

The truth of the matter is that Russians hate Americans because America kicked their fucking asses during the Cold War. They lost. And they have been butthurt ever since!

Russia has had centuries to get their shit together and they keep failing, over and over and over again!

Tasteful Friends, remember they gave us Faberge!

What is wrong with Russians that they can't even bother to fight against Putin?

At least after one year of Trump, we have successfully campaigned, marched, and fought to win back Senate and House seats to wrest control away from him.

What the hell are Russians doing that they can't get him out of power after almost two decades?

r37 From the perspective of Europe, the US has a long succession of right-wing Presidents since Reagan. Apart from a few "progressive" crumbs thrown to the people, the main winners in your political system are those at the top of the pile. The same people have been in charge there for well over 40 years.

Is it because their mothers are all whores?

Oh, I don't mean you.

R37, I am sure they will find a way to blame gays for their misfortunes somehow.

The USA also doesn't need Russia's shitty gas the way the EU does either, so they are confounded by a much younger nation who is stronger economically and has a much more powerful military.

Putin is a result of just how bad the years under Yeltsin were. People actually starved during the 1990s.

If Russia is so fucking great, why the hell do so many Russians crawl on their hands and knees to immigrate to the USA?

You never hear about Americans immigrating to Russia.

r43 The word you're looking for is "emigrate"/"emigrating" x

They are the trailer trash of trailer trash.

Are Americans flocking to Russia to have Russian-born babies? Hmmm? Why not?

[quote] why the hell do so many Russians crawl on their hands and knees

Russians don't crawl on their hands and knees, silly.

They lay on their backs and spread their legs.

Will no one compliment R33 on his nearly flawless English?

Am I the only one who feels bad for the Russian trolls?

They try so hard to just do their job, and in the end, they always end up in the position of having to defend their country instead.

[quote]If the US wants to start wars, you are welcome to do it. Just don't drag everybody else into it as you did with Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, you despicable motherfuckers.

Umm, you mean like Europe did to the U.S. in World Wars I and II?

Hillary laughing at Russian trash and their neverending poverty and sanctions.

....

I love that it takes nothing more than a Hillary reference or gif to trigger the Russians. Like moths to a flame.

Are Russian trolls very young? I hope for their sake they are, because they have the emotional maturity of teenagers with how quick they are to respond in rage and anger.

Looks like teh Russians had the last laugh, though :(

R48, you're right. We should give credit where credit is due. Grade for ESL: B+. Grade for logic and grasp of facts: D-.

Whores and thugs. Haven't seen a good Ruskie lately/

I'm starting to really really loathe americans, I'm thinking about giving up on DL because of this near constant hateful xenophobic shit.

Sad thing is it's the supposed 'liberals' in america that have been driving this hate/conspiracy campaign for the last two years. They're supposed to be repost to the stereotype of americans as ignorant, xenophobic, brainwashed hyper-nationalist bullies.

I do so hope your not american getting on your high horse r4....

R55, would that last laugh be like the rest of the world laughing as Russians burn to charcoal in their poorly built malls?

Bye, bitch R58! Nobody gives a shit about you! Close the door on your way out... but not too tight. Nobody wants to end up like those poor Russkies.

What's particularly sad about the Russian hysteria (apart from the obvious fact that the US has been through McCarthyism already and doesn't appear to have learned anything) is that the GOP is running the country into the ground and attacking every freedom and civil liberty they can get their hands on, while lining the pockets of their friends, and yet all everyone and the media can talk about, seemingly, is Russia.

So many fragile egos searching for someone to feel superior to.

What's particularly sad is that Russian children's skin is melting in Putin's poorly built malls, but their citizens are more concerned with going on the internet and worrying about other countries.

Maybe Russia should worry about their Fetal Alcohol Syndrome orphans?

Or their drug and alcohol addiction epidemic?

[quote]So many fragile egos searching for someone to feel superior to.

It's exactly the same in another thread on here about rednecks. Just naked bigotry and condescension. It's tragic, but it does give you a clearer view of how McCarthyism (and the racism and homophobia that accompanied it) spread so easily.

R61, you haven't been paying close attention to the U.S. media. There's been tons of coverage of the gun-control debate, trade war with China, sending the National Guard to the Mexican border, etc. So, no, our world doesn't revolve around Russia. That said, I have faith in Mueller and his team that they will eventually uncover Russia's illicit activities to influence U.S. elections and policy making.

Oh boo hoo, poor wittle wittle Russians, R66.

I am sure a gay message board's heart bleeds for a country who continually discriminates against gay people in every way, shape, and form.

Can you buy Datalounge the world's smallest violin to play for all meanie things said about Russia?

How dare you criticize Mother Russia!

As an American, I don't want to be dismissed as a Trump deplorable anymore than many Russians want to be reduced to a drunken, Putin-loving, homophobe.

Why are Russians so anti-gay is what I want to know?

Why can you still be fired for being gay in 27 US states is what I want to know.

And you are not bright enough to answer that on your own based on your knowledge of civilization, history and personal experience?

[quote]There's been tons of coverage of the gun-control debate, trade war with China, sending the National Guard to the Mexican border, etc.

Those are the hot issues facing basic Americans right now? Seriously?

Why are there people so vigorously defending anti-gay Russia on Datalounge?

A gay gossip message board is the absolute most logical place for a bunch of posters to suddenly jump in like gangbusters and defend this piece of shit country.

Leave Russia alone!!

r75 Because, being gay, we know better than anyone the dangers of bigotry and ignorant group hysteria?

And yes, to answer OP, you are absolute TRASH.

No matter how hard you try, R78, you still talk like a fucking Russian trying to pass off as American. They probably don't teach you that in your schools.

Maybe if you weren't using right-wing bigotry and name-calling to drag an entire country of oppressed people, others would be more receptive.

Because violence against gay people doesn't happen in the US?

Yes, r74, because of the millions of children in school and the millions of Americans who have a 401k (that would be adversely affected by a protracted trade war) and the millions of immigrants in the U.S.

I love that the Russian trolls keep getting triggered enough to keep responding.

This direct conversation with Russians, however, is an opportunity for open dialogue.

Russians,

Why does your country hate gay people so much and scapegoat them for all of Russia's shortcomings and problems?

R71, there is an easy explanation for that - the Communist regime was strongly prejudiced against homosexuality, which was viewed as a mental illness. After the fall of the USSR, there was a strong reaction against most of the previous regime's values and the Orthodox Catholic church (which has never been noted for its open-mindedness) became extremely prominent. Thus, there has been a strong tendency towards traditionalist conservatism and heartless Capitalism in Russian politics since the early 90s.

When you have prejudices against a sexual orientation that are taken and magnified by religious institutions (which often, are the only recourse for the impoverished masses because the government has retired any kind of support), you have the ideal climate for homophobia to increase. Furthermore, the economic situation in Russia is far from optimal and income imbalances are extreme - whenever people are desperate, they are usually given someone to blame and minorities are the perfect targets.

R50, the US WILLINGLY went into WWI in order to prevent Germany from dominating all of Europe and completely displacing its main ally Great Britain, not to mention that they wanted to consolidate their role as a global superpower. During WWII, they didn't do anything until they saw that the Russians were rapidly gaining ground in the Eastern front - that's when the US suddenly became extremely concerned with a war in which they had adopted the role of a passive onlooker.

Moreover, the Marshall Plan that was implemented to "rebuild" Europe was a means to promote anti-Communism. Most of the funds obtained went to support right wing parties and pro-Capitalist lobbies, not in rebuilding infrastructures and helping the economy to restart.

R72, thank you for pointing that out. The "Land of the Free" is only so in nominal terms, and America is far from perfect. But oh, Russia must be nuked! I'm sure that they have weapons of mass destruction like Saddam Hussein, are responsible for 9/11 like the US-backed and funded Taliban and violate human rights like Al-Assad, and that's why the US ought to fund and train ISIS.

Good points, R78. It is unbelievable how blinded and ignorant some of the "enlightened" pseudo-leftists that run around here can be.

We don't hate gay people, R85.

[quote]What's particularly sad is that Russian children's skin is melting in Putin's poorly built malls, but their citizens are more concerned with going on the internet and worrying about other countries.

This is job. Vat can say? Must put borscht on table/bed for children. Is like medicine.

The answer is yes OP

I am sick of all the Russophobia on DL!! WTF?

LOL all the caravans heading to Russia so they can build a better life there.

On a different thread, someone posted an absolutely brilliant summary of why it's been all downhill for Russia since the Bolshevik Revolution. Every paragraph describing a different era ended with, "and then things got worse." Does anyone remember what thread that was? We should cut and paste that post into every discussion about Russia because it really encapsulated why the country is such a mess today.

Smelly Russian CUNT alert at R90!

We are sick of Russians fucking up global stability R90!! WTF?

And a big fat laugh at "Russophobia!"

Do you idiots ever think that people hate you because you are such cunts?

Russians have incredibly punchable faces.

It's like the entire bone structure of their faces were crafted specifically for the impact from American fists.

American Liberals once again show their true colors intolerance and hatred. They claim to be for the working people, but they are the Elites and Aristocrats with disdain for the actual working poor.

Fuck 'em.

Russians are criminals they live n a criminal culture and perpetuate criminal wrongdoing. They want everyone to live in the same shitty way they do which is why they are always trying to bring down other nations and cultures. China was worse off than they were but through hard work have become the second largest economy in the world and more powerful than Putin and his criminal empire.

I think the most hilarious thing is that the idiot Russians brought more attention to what could have been this tiny, obsolete thread by responding angrily over and over again.

[quote]American Liberals once again show their true colors intolerance and hatred.

Of all people, Russian trolls should not be lecturing anyone about intolerance and hatred.

They have a reputation as being very cold and somewhat unfriendly people among Europeans but pretty much everyone you talk to in Europe has a great admiration of Russian history and culture and dreams of visiting Moscow one day.

Russia may be a shithole country now, but this is still the place which gave us perhps the greatest writers, composers and dancers of all times. And the architecture is to die for.

Yeah, nobody is debating that Russians have a rather glorious history of literature, ballet, classical music, etc. Except that most of these achievements are reaching the better of 100 years old.

The big mystery is what the fuck happened to them since then?

Liberals only feel safe making fun of poor white people like Russians.

R103, I posted in r92 that someone on a different thread wrote an excellent summary of why and how Russia went downhill so drastically over the past century. I'm hoping another DLer can help me locate that particular post, because it was brilliant and succinct.

Russians have no gall and no fighting spirit. They prefer to roll over and die.

[quote] Liberals only feel safe making fun of poor white people like Russians.

You stupid asshole.

Liberals try to pass policies that make it possible for the poor, and for refugees to seek asylum in the United States.

Republicans try to shut all of that down.

Russians are the pits. The new Euro Trash that makes all previous Euro Trash seem totally civilised. I was in Japan on holiday for a month this time last year and there was loud, ugly, fat Russians in some of the hotels we stayed in. Only noticed them at breakfast - there was no way you couldn't notice them. New money I suppose or maybe one could call them new Putin's money.

Russians are not Europeans. The Brits are the trash of Europe closely followed by the Romas.

Rusians are not Europeans. They are assholes.

Russian men do have an animalistic charm and often large cocks. So that’s a plus.

Russian history starts when Eastern Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples settle down and establish a state and open relations with the Byzantines and adopt Christianity.

And then things got worse.

Genghis came and in less than three years, the Mongols destroyed the young state of Rus', killing over half it's people.

And then things got worse.

The Mongol Empire collapsed, leaving a power void in Asia. Russia reestablished itself as the Grand Duchy, and then the Tsardom.

And then things got worse.

In the age of Empire, Russia, with no warm water ports, could not expand across the seas, and was blocked by powerful Germany/HRE/Austria in the West, so they expanded East. As the empire grew, it also grew more isolated. They fell behind, economically and socially. Feudalism in the form of lords and serfs existed in Russia until 1861, but when it was abolished, it only made the lower classes even poorer. In 1906 a constitution was written, but the Aristocracy rejected it.

And then things got worse.

World War 1 began.

And then things got worse.

Revolution! The Tsars were kicked out in March of 1917, and were replaced by the Russian Republic.

And then things got worse.

Revolution! The Russian Republic was kicked out by the Bolsheviks in the Red October, establishing the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, led by Vladmir Lenin. They made peace with the Germans and Austrians, and consolidated power for the next several years, forming the USSR.

And then things got worse

Lenin died, and the Communist Party was fractured into two,, led by Joseph Stalin and Leon Trotsky. Stalin came out on top, killed Trotsky and exiled his followers. He then began a long reign of terror. Millions of people were killed by his order.

And then things got worse.

Hitler time! Overall, the war costed 30 million soviet deaths.

And then things got worse.

The war was expensive, and took an extreme toll on the Soviet economy and it's population. But, they managed to hang on, steal nuclear technology from the United States, and then develop it themselves. The space race happened.

And then things got worse.

For very complicated reasons, not limited to overspending on nuclear and space technology and military, the Soviet Union declined, and suffered widespread economic collapse and public outrage, especially when Gorbachev instituted his "glasnost" policy, which revealed decades of repression and deception. A coup threw Gorbachev out of power, but the coup government itself only lasted three days, leaving a new power vacuum. The government of the various Soviet Republics took over administrative control from the old central Soviet government. Yeltsin, the president of Russia, reorganized the country, and tried to rescue the economy in every way he could, including privatization of as many industries as possible as fast as possible.

And then things got worse.

Yeltsin's privatization wasn't well planned and was much too fast. It opened the door for criminal mafias and greedy corporations to seize economic power, and soon Russia effectively had an Oligarchic Aristocracy again, just like in the 19th century. The country wasn't able to get out of it's depression before the 1998 financial crisis, which decimated the economy again, and forced Yeltsin to resign.

And then things got worse.

Vladmir Putin. Ex-KGB officer, often reminisces about the glory of the Soviet era. He won a landslide victory in every election, took control of the Parliament, but pretended to uphold the constitution by letting his head of staff win the election after his second term, because the constitution says presidents cannot serve more than two consecutive terms, but as soon as Medvedev's first term ended, Putin won another landslide victory. All the while, political opponents of Putin disappear, or die in unexpected, tragic accidents.

And then things got worse.

Putin invaded Georgia, and then Ukraine, paving the way for a new Russian Empire, just as unequal and authoritarian as any other.

And that's Russian history for you.

I think Russian men are hot and love old, Russian art and aesthetics pre Bolshevik revolution, the sort of idealized Slavic cultural trappings of "Dr. Zhivago", the architecture and fashion. I also love the unique, umami richness of their food, the berry cordials, the borscht, the deeply tart pickled foods, the heavy breads and thick, dense creams. Heavy, simmered down, dark and hearty. It mimics in feeling the sort of heavy fabrics and fire lighting I'd imagine warming rustic homes in cold, dark Russian winters.

I think the problem Russia has with gay people is more a drunken sex regret problem than ideological incompatibility: Drunken Russkies agreeing to be sucked off by travelling businessmen or soldiers and then feeling like they were used for the few lucid hours a day when they're sober and remember what happened. I get the impression there's lots of casual prostitution arrangements there.

Doesn't make the abuse right but it's like masses of Russian men are going through self-hatred and denial at the same time.

R74 there is a vast difference between defending people who are not all trash as the OP asserts and defending Russia.

[quote]Putin invaded Georgia, and then Ukraine, paving the way for a new Russian Empire, just as unequal and authoritarian as any other.

And then successfully manipulated the US election results to install their man in the White House.

And then things got even worse. For the Americans...

I just find it absurd that Putin can look at the shithole country he has shaped and actually believe the Russian model of government is better than the US' or even the EU's. He is totally delusional

Thank you, r112! And r42, there’s a lot of truth in what you say. I think that, in Russia, we are dealing with a population that has been traumatized non-stop for over a century (at least). Generation after generation. No person, no nation could be “normal” under those circumstances. Russian history has some dark and troubling lessons to teach, and they’re applicable to every country and society. If you study its history, Russia isn’t hard to understand. All the answers to what Putin is thinking and what he plans to do and why are there.

Thank you, r112!

YES. They are trash.

I love how they and their apologists act like they deserve special handling because "they have suffered so much."

Bitch, you're far from the only people in this world who have suffered. Get in line! And somehow the others have managed to not be total cunts about it.

I think DL may be part of the war propaganda effort.

The first step in creating support for war is dehumanizing the enemy, thinking of them as less than human, as trash. Amazing how gleefully so many of you jumped on and hated a whole group.

You would have been great Nazi's

America is not going to war with a country that has nukes. That’s why countries like North Korean and Iran wanted them so badly.

No. Of the world.

There are some super unhinged posters in this thread. It's sad to see what Datalounge has become now.

“Plan eez weerking, my komrades. We sew deeskord and doubt in theez people’s on DL. Theez thread eez glorious! They doo not kno who is Amerikan pig dog and who is patriot for Mother Russia. We pretend to be Amerikan and say “shame on you peoples who demean Mother Russia” and we conveence them!” Then comes reel Amerikan and they fight with pretend Amerikan komrade. Deeveesion! Anger! Infighting! We are succeeding!”

They are not European. And the trashiest european country is Bulgaria. It's a thid world country, one of the poorest in the world

Blow it out of your ass r122. You know how many people shit on America around the world? We don't cry about it because we don't care. Calling us Nazis just reveals you as a troll or a hysterical child

They went from feudal serfdom to communism, skipping an enlightenment period.

That's why they are the way they are. Boorish.

Enlightenment rests on the rule of reason, with attendant values like equality, democracy, science, and do on. Communism demolishes culture in its dream to create a classless society, including values that originate in feudalism, such as spiritualism, morality, honor, valor and so on. Instead it ends up with totalitarianism and a cultural wasteland.

You'll find mainland Chinese are the same as the Russians, following the same historical arc. Taiwanese Chinese, from the same stock, are better you'll find.

They even have slaves that they kidnap to work in forced labor.

[quote]R111 Russian men do have an animalistic charm and often large cocks. So that’s a plus.

They say Rasputin was quite the stud...

Vee are most reasonable peoples in see world. We are workers paradise and ve look seksee in speedos on Kamchatka beach. Ve love your seksee glorious leader, Komrade Trump.

Although I wouldn't really want Putin to be a member of the Family, it would be great if he were outed, just to bum out those bigots. R121, do you have a source for that graph?

They are just trash. Period.

Are my standards too low if i think the guys in OP's pic are attractive?

[quote] but pretty much everyone you talk to in Europe has a great admiration of Russian history and culture and dreams of visiting Moscow one day.

Hardly.

Not a single European has great admiration for Russia. Give it up, assholes.

I wish I could be beautiful like this

R33, if there is one thing the USA and Russia can and should agree upon, it's that anyone calling themselves "European" who lectures other nations about dragging them into shitty wars should eat a huge bowl of shit; dab their lips; eat a second, even bigger bowl of shit; find a third bowl of shit twice that size with a little sign on it saying "please do not eat this bowl of shit"; throw away the sign; and live the dream.

You, um, Jew-bashing , Leningrad-sieging, Lusitania-sinking, Dresden-bombing, Africa-invading, fascist cunts.

They wish they had nice modern trailers to live in!

The Russians are the shithole of the world. Period.

It's very telling that the Russian trolls that come here to defend and deflect criticize the "liberal left" as bullies and offer us up a "right wing" take down.

Russians aren’t trash. I went to Russia years ago and it is actually a beautiful country. The people are mostly curious about Western culture and want to know as much about it as they can. Don’t confuse them with their government. How would y’all feel if people equated you with Trump?

I'm not European?

When I see threads like this it confirms that most DL posters aren’t as intelligent as they think they are. What a lot of stupid shit.

Go fry up a human arm and eat it Russian cunts. To answer your question, op, yes it is a shithole because every thinking, intelligent person in Russia gets killed by their own government or runs away screaming. It is a dump of a nation where the extremely unintelligent, drunk, drug addicted and insane thrive. They are horrible, they are shit and they sit back and decide to pull down the rest of the world to their shithole level, rather than beating the living hell out of the oligarchs and taking their country back. They’ve allowed themselves to get to this point. Fuck them. Let them all die out. They’re lemmings going over the cliff, the rest of the world shouldn’t go with them.