DL Fave Kristen Stewart IS DL fave Jean Seberg!

[quote]What sayeth DL?

You must be the queen who thinks Conor Lamb looks like Tom Cotton.

Jean Seberg was a terrible, blank-faced actress too!

Yes but she had some charm. Stewart is like a walking freezer.

It's a step up from the now over-the-hill Sienna Miller. Or is it?

Hopefully we'll get a nice shot of Kristen's untalented decomposing body in a car. That would be like my wet dreams come to life.

I guess the casting director wants this film to flop.

Leighton Meester would be superior casting, both as acting ability and physicality.

Jodie Foster tried to get a Jean Seberg movie made for years. Why do the lesbians love Jean so much?

Yes I think KStew is a bit too sleepy grunty millennial for Jean Seberg

Kristin Dundst would be perfection, but this film's success will depend entirely on the script.

There's so much drama that happened in dear Seberg's life, and they'll have to focus correctly. I believe I read they're concentrating on the star's last few years, which is probably the best approach. It would be stupid to try to cover from her discovery at age 18 to her suicide at age 40. It's just too much territory to cover.

Jodie Foster was supposed to do a Seberg bio pic at one point. She would have been interesting, though perhaps not emotionally delicate enough.

^^ KIRSTEN...DUNST...

She has a very strong American accent at r9, but it's kind of charming.

Yes, R12.

Can you imagine an actress/actor being asked those questions today at R9? They would stomp out in tears and try to get the person fired.

[quote]r2 Jean Seberg was a terrible, blank-faced actress too!

[italic]So g-damn mean![/italic] Yeah, she could be a little flat...but she was also evocative in some roles, lile LILITH. Many of her other roles were not terribly demanding; how much can you strut your stuff playing Burt Lancaster's girlfriend in AIRPORT?

But anyway, the film's not about her acting ability, it's about how the FBI's covert persecution of her for supporting Civil Rights causes pushed her over the edge into madness, and death.

Typically ridiculous Hollywood casting. Seberg wasn't a superb actress, but had a charm and sweetness. Also, SHE was very pretty.

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KStew can't do this

or this

The film shouldn't concentrate on her discovery, I don't think...but it's heartbreaking to see glimpses of her initial Hollywood screen test, as a teenage hopeful.

Things didn't quite work out [bold]: (

Doesn't matter much who plays Seberg. "Airport" is about her only film that gets regular showings. It's almost a blank slate for a new actress.

I do like her pixie cut pictures above.. Very cute.

I hope they really hit the "she killed herself because being accused of sleeping with a black man was so heinous she couldn't stand it" note REALLY hard, just like all of Seberg's crazy fans do.

"DL Fave Kristen Stewart IS DL fave Jean Seberg! What sayeth DL?"

If Lohan can be Elizabeth Taylor, sure, why not?

[quote]R21 Doesn't matter much who plays Seberg. "Airport" is about her only film that gets regular showings. It's almost a blank slate for a new actress.

I agree, to an extent. I get annoyed when people get all bent out of shape when a star doesn't look exactly like a real life figure they're portraying. They should suggest the historic figure, but it's more important that they effectively convey whatever was going on in their life at the particular time the story's set.

Actors would probably be insulted to think all that mattered in their lives was their facade. Good bio pics are about what was happening in their interior world, in their own real-life dramas. That's not about how their nose or chin was shaped, or whatever.

Breathless is the film she is known for

[quote]R23 I hope they really hit the "she killed herself because being accused of sleeping with a black man was so heinous she couldn't stand it" note REALLY hard, just like all of Seberg's crazy fans do.

It wasn't being accussed of miscegenation that bothered Seberg...but that it simply wasn't true in this case. The father of her expected child was not a Black Panther figure.

She was upset that this lie was being foisted on everyone...simply because it was a blatant untruth.

R27, my point was that her fans (and biographers) frequently frame it as "she was so upset at being accused of having a child with a black man that it sent her over the edge" -- it's not true and is basically a racist assumption on their part. But biopics lately have been really bad about changing history to make stories more "commercial" (i.e. pandering to bigots to get more butts in seats), so I said what I did sarcastically.

If they're going to cast a walking piece of cardboard like Stewart as the vivacious Seberg then they're going to screw up in other areas, guaranteed.

[quote]R28 my point was that her fans (and biographers) frequently frame it as "she was so upset at being accused of having a child with a black man that it sent her over the edge" -- it's not true and is basically a racist assumption on their part.

Well, I've only read the book PLAYED OUT...which I believe is the most widely read book on her. It does not make the assertion that that was ultimately the upsetting aspect of it.

I can't imagine why anyone who knows about her life would think she would be horrified by the idea of sleeping with a black man. Or why a biographer would claim that.

Strange.

I hate Stewart, so I won't be seeing this.

I'll try to find it, r29, but I'm pretty sure at least one was a magazine article. It was quoted here a long long time ago in a thread about Seberg, and had a lot of info about her being targeted by IC.

It took me about 30 seconds to find what I think is the main source of the "killed herself because of rumos she got knocked up by a black man:" Mark Rappaport's documentary, which many didn't realize was salacious and fictionalized.

Jonathan Rosenbaum makes the implication here in an old article from 1991.

And articles like this that just flat out state she was so traumatized by the rumor that it caused both her miscarriage and her suicide.

[quote]Preying on her tendency toward depression and paranoia, Hoover retaliated by concocting a rumor that the child Seberg was pregnant with had been conceived by a Black civil rights worker and having it placed in the gossip columns of such publications as the Los Angeles Times and Newsweek. This harassment so effectively traumatized her that it caused her to miscarriage. Seberg achieved a twisted sort of vindication when she held a press conference the next day and openly displayed the still born corpse of her dead White child, but COINTELPRO’s efforts were eventually rewarded when she succumbed to a lethal combination of alcohol and barbiturates years later.

how does this untalented wench get roles????

Obviously she has talents of some kind.

R35 Thank you for those links. I've seen that movie but didn't remember that bit. It's on YouTube now. Yes, it does state that!

It's an oversimplified way of looking at that event. The David Richards book discusses the different aspects of her reaction in more depth. But full length books are often better researched and more complex than simple print articles....and let's not even get into mere Internet slush!

For anyone interested in Seberg - the You Must Remember This podcast did a terrific season recently called Jean and Jane - looking at the lives of both Seberg and Fonda - who were much the same age and began their careers at around the same time. Very different backgrounds - but lots of curious parallels - and wildly different endings of course.

Learnt a lot about both women - and gained a great deal of respect for both of them. They both had to deal with so much bullshit.

How does Stewart land these roles? How in the world has she become the only American actress to win the Cesar? It boggles the mind.

Well, she was probably not the first choice. They had to go a little ways down on the list to get to her. And it's not with a famous director, or anything, or big costars.

R39 - the Mark Rappaport film already covered a comparison between Jean and Jane and Vanessa Redgrave as political activists and actresses.

Kristen Stewart is too far gone nowadays to be seriously considered. Or maybe this is her appeal? She looks so far gone as a meth and druggie in all of her public appearances, never mind the shaved head on a girl whose previous attraction rating to straight males was previously zilch.

She is not a delicate soul like Seberg.

Kristen is zero

would not walk across the street to see her boring snarky face in any thing

GO AWAY LADY

Sienna Miller looked awful with that haircut, like a frumpy geography teacher with a wash n go haircut.

Jean Seberg was so blank and dull and false. Take Kim Novak, remove the sexual frisson and what minor humour and pathos she possessed and and you got Jean.

Kristen has something more sensuous about her and curious eyes (practically every role has men wanting to watch her sexual innocence bloom), but she would actually be a better Kim Novak.

Emma Watson could play it.

[quote]Kristen has something more sensuous about her and curious eyes (practically every role has men wanting to watch her sexual innocence bloom), but she would actually be a better Kim Novak.

I suspect you came here from outside of Datalounge, DL'ers generally think KS is a dead-eyed meth addict as she's frequently been captured. You seem to be an HKN afficionado. Damn. We haven't had one of those threads here for ages. How is Sue Morris from Oklahoma doing? Has she had another one of her computer coniptions that leads to an ambulance run again?

No drag queen could ever "do" Seberg. Even with her pixie cut, virtually no make-up and wearing jeans, sneakers and a white T-shirt she would still be a hundred times more feminine than any drag queen who spent two hours getting dressed and made up.

Nah, R46.

But I’ll never think that Jean Seberg was anything other than a haircut or a striped sweater.

It should have been a small-town unknown

R46, be grateful those 'HKN' threads have permanently disappeared. Unless you enjoy threads where people make fun of the mentally ill.

Rat faced Stewart cannot act. Why does she have a career???

What is Clint Eastwood saying about her here? I can't tell because of the German overdubbing.

Who??

I love to see Kristen in mainstream films again but I feel ever since she came out she's not offered much

Kristen Stewart playing Jean Seberg in Against All Enemies. Talented. Brilliant. Incredible. Showstopping. Spectacular.

“Kristen Stewart is like a book. She's judged by the cover, but nobody reads her story.“- Peter Sattler

New pictures Kristen on the set of "Against All Enemies" from yesterday 👗

Kristen Stewart as Jean Seberg

She'd be a better fit for Edie Sedgwick.

[quote] “Kristen Stewart is like a book. She's judged by the cover, but nobody reads her story.“- Peter Sattler

Actors [italic]are[/italic] covers. Nothing hidden away in between the covers - it's all supposed to be on display on the cover.

"Jean Seberg was a terrible, blank-faced actress too!"

No, she wasn't. She had a certain charm and ambience. She was also very pretty in a fresh, wholesome way, unlike Stewart, who always looks like she's on drugs. I think Stewart would look funny as hell in Seberg's trademark blonde pixie haircut. What a terrible choice to play her.

A film about Seberg's life could really be interesting if done right. Plucked from obscurity, an untried teenage girl who wanted to be an actress, she was chosen to star in a major movie on the life of Joan of Arc. Directed by Otto Preminger, the film was a failure and Sebring was ridiculed for her inadequate performance. Her career might have ended there, but she starred in "Breathless" and immediately her career was rejuvenated. But her movies tended not to be that great after that. In the meantime, she became a kind of crazed sixties activist and became quite involved with the Black Panther and had a serious affair with one. Her second child was rumored to be his, but it wasn't. The child died in infancy and she blamed it on all the stress she was under while pregnant due to all the rumors about the paternity. She got taken advantage of a lot; a friend said "the biggest asshole in the world could be Jesus Christ to her." She literally went insane and was in a mental institution for a while. She had strange physical maladies; she would look gaunt and bloated at the same time and one illness caused her gums to turn black. She ended up killing herself with pills in a parked car; the car wasn't found for a few days and the summer heat caused her body to be horribly decomposed by the time it was found. A terrible ending to a life that started out with a lot of promise.

By the way, Kristen Stewart would be a terrible choice to play Edie Sedgewick, too. And who needs another movie about her? There's already been one where she was played by Sienna Miller.

Sienna Miller was miscast. Miller was too bombshell beautiful and mature for the role. Sedgwick looked like a vulnerable, mischievous kid, that's where her appeal stemmed from. Elle Fanning would be perfect for the role.

The false blind item the FBI had placed in Joyce Haber's gossip column, intended to make Seberg unemplyable.

It's strange that Edie Sedgwick became a cult figure. She really didn't accomplish much of anything. She did some modeling, did a few awful Andy Warhol movies, went to a lot of parties with him. And that's it. There was really nothing that interesting about her. She was just a mentally disturbed rich girl who got involved with people who helped her get deep into the drug scene. She really had little in the way of talent, although drawings she did suggest she did have a talent for that.

Sedgwick typified a specific time and place. The interesting thing about the book on her is it combines hundreds of different voices remembering that era. She's only interesting in association with that particular book, and the Warhol crowd.

She was before my time but the first time I saw her picture I was bewitched. Not many woman can pull off that sheared cut but she does. She does gamine even better than Audrey and I love Audrey. Seberg's face was perfection and her soft spoken demeanor just adds to the allure.

She was enchanting

Jean Seberg had a natural inner charm. She might have done well on TV, but only the French had the patience to allow her presence show. American films are heavy handed.

Kristen Stewart is just blank. She’s also probably too chubby to be believable as Seberg, who was really rather elfin.

Amazon Studios Buys Kristen Stewart’s ‘Against All Enemies’

Jack O’Connell, Anthony Mackie, Margaret Qualley, Colm Meaney, Zazie Beetz, Vince Vaughn #eww, Stephen Root, and Yvan Attal are also starring in “Against All Enemies.” Benedict Andrews directed from a script by Joe Shrapnel and Anna Waterhouse.

Stewart stars as actress Jean Seberg, and the story centers on attempts by the FBI to discredit Seberg through its Cointelpro program in retaliation for her support of the Black Panther Party. Those efforts included creating a false story in 1970 that the child Seberg was carrying was not fathered by her husband, but by a member of the Black Panther Party.

Mackie portrays a civil rights activist and O’Connell plays an FBI agent assigned to surveil the actress. Seberg acted in dozens of films including “Saint Joan,” “Bonjour Tristesse,” “Breathless,” and “The Mouse That Roared.” She died in 1979 in France, with authorities ruling her death a suicide.

Stewart is the only American actress ever to win a César Award, winning for Olivier Assayas’ “Clouds of Sils Maria.”

[quote]I think Stewart would look funny as hell in Seberg's trademark blonde pixie haircut. What a terrible choice to play her.

Will see you here when she gets raves for her performance.

She's actually really good. You have to pay attention though. She doesn't play to the back row. Don't know how she'd be as Jean Seberg though.

I think she'll do a wonderful job with the role. Looking forward to seeing the film.

R75 I agree I think she's very good.

She should be channeling Jean Seberg's later look, though ... which was kind of suburban [italic]soigné. [/italic]

Her gamin days were over by the time the FBI targeted her.

If Kristen wins Oscar for this she will be the first openly LGB (female) actor to win Oscar.

Although, it should also be noted that like most performers, Seberg had clothes for personal (offscreen) use, publicity purposes (like interviews and public appearances), and for filming (costumes).

When in Paris, married to a French literary figure, Seberg wore more tailored ensembles by Chanel. But on her own time in late 60s Hollywood (when the story is set), Seberg often wore casual things like turtleneck sweaters and dresses from Mexico.

She was circulating with the inner city poor and their families. It would have been insensitive to be glammed up in those circumstances.

Can a German speaker translate what Eastwood says about her?

You can't hear it all:

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[quote]r45 Jean Seberg was so blank and dull and false. Take Kim Novak, remove the sexual frisson and what minor humour and pathos she possessed and and you got Jean.

[bold]LeaveJeanAlone

[quote]She’s also probably too chubby

too chubby? WTF

I have a friend who looks exactly like Jean Seberg and is shy and artistic, like Jean Seberg. She lives in Helsinki and is an elegant an youthful 35. She speaks and moves exactly like Jean does in R30's video, especially at the beginning with her French concierge.

If my friend were to make the movie, I can tell you right away what it's like to be friends with a celebrity: she hates being famous and gets freaked by the attention! Also, paradoxically, very lonely.

Bump. Thank you for posting that interview R30. Jean is utterly captivating, and I love her home. I wish they still did interviews like that. That painting “Drowning Woman” -shiver. It’s all so sad.

Seberg was an ok actress who was lovely and, in retrospect, sad. Stewart just seems coarse and petulant. Why bother.

I’ll say it - Kristen could maybe pull it off.

R90 She can.

R64 I thought Sienna was very good as Edie. I like Sienna, too bad her antics distracted from how beautiful and good on film she is.

She and Belmondo made a sexy couple in [italic]Breathless.[/italic]

Is there a trailer?

on the set of against all enemies

Watching it now on Amazon. Not too impressed so far. All I see is Kristen Stewart. Anybody else see it yet?

I watched it last night. Kristen Stewart can't walk like a woman to save her life. She storks around like a gangly teenage boy.

R65 Reading that "blind item " I immediately thought of CDAN and their modern day efforts to attack left leaning celebs. The more things change, the more they stay the same I suppose.

The movie was good. Not great but good. KS was into the role and didn't use her usual odd mannerisms.

The ending is upbeat in a way. It doesn't portray her as a hapless victim.

I tried it this week but Kristen's dye job put me off. Was Jean Seberg a natural blonde or did she just have a good colorist? Otherwise I lost interest after about 30 minutes.

Kristen portrays Jean in troubled SJW mode. I would like to have seen the evolution from fresh-faced midwestern girl to New Wave starlet to Parisian socialite and poised movie star first. We don't get to know Jean or her motivations at all.

I didn't believe the way they presented her as this big star returning to the US to audition for Paint Your Wagon. I thought at this time she was washed up in America and only popular in France.

She's above the title in Paint Your Wagon fwiw

I watched it last night.

I was only familiar with Jean from 'Breathless', which I adore, and 'Airplane', which I hadn't realized she was in. I knew nothing of her personal life other than her having died relatively young, from a presumed suicide.

So, it was interesting to learn a bit about what she was up to. I assume the FBI agent, Jack, was a Gary Stu and not a real person - ? I wasn't sure why we were being forced to spend time with him and the whole Poor You For Being Amoral arc that was given to him really annoyed me.

There were only three scenes and an additional moment in which I believed KStew's performance: when she's being manhandled on the ground while shooting the Western, up until the moment Jean breaks character; the scene with the pills; and the few seconds where she caresses Jack's face, assuming he's a waiter at her party. Beyond that, I found her energy all wrong for the role, her voice all wrong, and some of her line readings are down right bizarre (For instance, "This little lady is going to blow up like a balloon" was vocalized as though she didn't know what the sentence even meant. She wore the clothes well…but I'm sure there were many someones who were better fits for the role and could have some something really moving with it.

I don't have any interest or grudge against Stewart and, in fact, liked her as a child and teen actor. But the handful of things I've seen her do in the last decade or so have really left me wanting. She has picked some interesting indie projects and I'm sure getting her name attached been the deciding factor over whether they got funding or not. But there's kind of a sense of 'what's the point?', if the whole project is going to be tarnished by her lack of performance.