SAM HEUGHAN, CLOSETED GAY ACTOR, LEAD IN OUTLANDER (HIIDDLESWIFT 2.0)--PART 28

More sources confirming that Sam is gay.

Our darling, Lady Goodman, whose cousin met Sam at the Real Conservatoire of Scotland, posted this interesting info. Her cousin confirms that Sam is gay:

[quote]"I started watching Outlander last year and commented on Facebook how much I enjoyed it. My cousin private messaged me and was like "I went to RCS with Heughan,remember?" , I didn't because my cousin isn't in the acting/directing game anymore and is now working as a "civilian", so I'd completely forgotten he went to the Conservatoire as its now called. I commented that I thought he was lovely and he'd have to intro me when I was next in Scotland (I was saying this jokingly,I'm married.) and he replied "Sorry to burst your bubble, gorgeous as you are, I don't think you've got what he's looking for if you know what I mean..."

[quote]"And he was like "He's gay. I don't know why this is a thing. I'm sure he's photographed with women, I've seen him around home with women. He is gay. He just is. Didnt know he was saying otherwise. Weird to try and hide it now. Bit of a risk this late in the game."

People who has met Sam's ex boyfriends......

[quote]" Ages ago, I mentioned here that Sam and one other man consistently shared a mutual address for 10+ years (they had multiple roommates, as other people's names came and went, but theirs were constant from place to place). On this man's Facebook page, you can find posts about him being in Thailand a few years ago, and it doesn't appear he was alone or that it was his first trip. This same man looks almost exactly like the man pictured with Sam at the bar that was posted on a Brazilian Twitter page (green lights, otherwise very dark, Sam and a man sitting next to each other). I'd drop the "almost," except lighting and camera angles make a positive ID tricky. The timeframe would be just about right. This same man used to post very regularly on Sam's original Twitter account, then went almost completely silent after Sam started to gain some fame. I believe he was a long-time love."

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More sources about Sam being gay, from the previous threads:

[quote]"I’ve known he’s gay since right after he was cast. Many UK fans I befriended early know it and shared that information. They have family and friends who work on Outlander. Others knew of Sam beforehand. Even though crew/production/cast sign NDAs they do share gossip with people they are close too who wont talk openly. Back then everything was more accessible but once the show premiered. and was a huge success, the UK fans all shut up. It’s like a protective shield around Sam to help him keep it a secret. But the truth is out there. More recently, I found out that the brother of my fiance best friend hooked up with Sam in drama school. It was in the context of a casual discussion when both the brother and my guy were both in a Barbour store together. The brother mentioned it in passing after seeing Sam in the window and my guy told me because he knows I’m a fan of the show. It’s NBD in Scotland or the rest of the UK. It’s an open secret scenario."

Another source from Edingburgh:

[quote]"Straight woman lurker here and I'm actually embarrassed by the "he's gotta be straight" troll. He's not straight. My friend is from Edinburgh. His folks live in the same neighborhood as Sam's. Not exactly a secret and here's the amazing thing, nobody there gives a shit. Sam's a nice guy, so is his family. Its only the fans in the US that seem to lose their shit about an actor's personal life. For me, Sam's a cute pup but give me some Graham McTavish any day!"

More sources:

[quote]"I've found DL and this thread when looking for "Sam Heughan gay" probably two years ago. Since that time, i am posting here. I am an Insider for PR, because that is my job for a long time. I have written about who i know and for what a couple of times here. I know, that Sam is gay. I know it because coincidentally i am since 35 years in the LBTG world. To make a long story short: I have met Freddy Mercury in Munich at a gay bar, with his Muse Barbara Valentin. So I know what i am talking about. Sam Heughan being gay is common sense. And no big secret in the community."

Adding to [R1] post.

Lady Goodman wrote:

[quote]"I don't have a lot to add that hasn't been said,but all I know is this - The person who told me that Sam is gay, has no skin in the game. He's not bitter, he liked Sam when he knew him and he's no longer in the entertainment industry so there's no reason for him to lie or be malicious. He didn't even realise it was a big deal and honestly, we both didn't think Outlander was that big at home (Scotland), he's never even seen it beyond a few minutes and he didn't see it as outting him, he thought he was out."

R38 from the previous thread:

[quote] "In my opinion and what my gay friends say, who met him, he is a very nice adorable guy. As he self stated, he was raised from Hippies. Which have you to think, because he is born 1982, so Hippies time was already done. His father, who left the family, (and who gave him the genetic lottery gens), when he was two years old, was a Steiner school teacher. In the earlier days of OL, Sam gave a lot of interesting, thoughtful intervies not hiding his sexuality. The real Sam, knows what he is, it is a pity, that he choosed the closeting, which he, big points for him, has reduced to the lowest point

[quote]"He was always gay, for them to read in between the lines. He tried not really to hide it. All his interacting with straight Steven McCree.Posting their banter on SM. Talking about officially of "9 of 10" Steven Crees testicles and dick. Sam is gay and probably a bottom, and 55 years of my life and every day more are telling me, that I am right to spread this here,"

Sadly, the bearding PR game is up after Cait's engagement.

In Marie Claire new article, they refer to Sam's beard as 'on-off girlfriend' and add 'Sam and MM are 'REPORTEDLY dating',

[quote]The casting agents (and a lot of producers and directors) are already very familiar with Sam. That's why he auditioned 7 times for GOT and never landed a role. If he doesn't shine in "The Spy Who Dumped Me" he's going to have a tough road. I bet the bearding has been intensified because he already knows season 4 is the end of OL. Sadly, he thinks bearding is going to help him.

Link to thread #27:

Sam and Luke: "We are the least scary leather clad gunmem in the universe!"

Sam and Luke's friends: "You look like homoerotic german terrorists"

This blind item from CDaN describes very well Sam's situation and the current bearding:

Why oh way does he continue with these games? I'm embarrassed for him. MM is obviously in Scotland but any normal couple would have posted a selfie not a shadow. He's looking a fool. Do I think he's gay? Yes. Am I a female Outlander fan? Yes. Am I a Sam Heughan fan? Good God yes. I'm a 50 year old women with a son by a gay man, he came out very soon after our son was born, more than 25 years ago. Was I hurt? Yes. Because he left me for a man? No. Because he left me. He's just married his long term partner and I'm happy for him even though we've not spoken in decades. Sam Heughan needs to be himself for his own sanity if not ours!!!!! MM is a noose around his neck. If he has to pick a woman, please be someone more credible.

r14 ‘obviously in Scotland ‘. Is she? I see a picture of the most famous bridge in Scotland and a shadow puppet!

R15 agree. I'm not buying it. Why would she have left Scotland since the gig in Glasgow then? It's not like she has a job or a real boyfriend in the US to go to(according to her social media and all the pr crap that is)

R14 agree with you, this is making him look bad, he will fall of his pedestal soon.

Someone needs to give him better advice. This charade makes HW look rotten to the core.

It’s pilot season and trashy needs to up her game to get work. Avon lady of the month won’t get her any roles.

This shit is ridiculous. He needs to come out. This is making him look foolish.

For all we know, the beard's Forth Bridge pic could've been taken the last time she flew to Scotland for that microbrewery event in coach seats behind the wing. Poor thing sells skin cream to make ends meet and millionaire boyfriend's too stingy to buy her a decent ticket? Oops, doesn't fit the narrative. Not surprisingly, that in-flight picture has been deleted from her IG.

R20 it wasn’t deleted. She only posted it as her IG story so it only lasted for 24 hrs. This way she didn’t get the comments and it disappeared which works for her constant shit stirring.

So sick of Sam Heughan. He is either not very intelligent or he doesn’t have any balls to keep letting Starz and Tall Ships or whoever it is make him keep up this bearding with a two bit D- actress with crossed eyes. So over him. He needs to go back to the theater and be himself.

I don't think it's STARZ or Lionsgate, in the end. It's him, following advice from his agent and PR people that he won't get HW movie roles, especially romantic lead roles, in the USA unless he has hetero cover.

He has been addressing Caitriona as 'Balfe' on Twitter for a while now. What's up with that?

The tone of voice is "we're close enough pals that I get to call her by her last name." As if they're school mates or something. Part of the gang along with Cree and the rest. Especially since the showmance was officially abandoned as a strategy.

(Just remember that all social media posts we see are for public consumption / branding. We don't know how he addresses her behind the scenes. They could be pals, but we don't know. We get the branded version.)

r23 I agree. I don’t think it’s his employers so much as bad advice, and greed. He could stop it now if he wanted to, but he wants Hollywood and big bucks. Good luck with that Sam. There’s hundreds of others who want that too..

Like the CDAN blind - his name gets out there more when MM is associated with him. No such thing as bad publicity. This site gets more hits (and others as well)

Sure, the bearding keeps his name out there, but with a relatively small group. At this point, it is going to come down to casting directors, producers and directors who are already very familiar with Sam -- and who have not chosen him for many roles. It does seem he has bad judgement. He should spend the money he is wasting on the costs associated with bearding and spend it on lessons with a great acting coach to refine his talent. He is uneven in OL and his performance in "When the Starlight Ends" isn't going to help him -- it may hurt him. If he doesn't kill it in "The Spy Who Dumped Me" he will have a tough road ahead -- competing with a throng of men in his age category or younger who are better actors.

Whatever the reasoning is, my belief is be true to yourself. People don’t really care who actors are in their personal lives unless they are playing a shady game. Luke Evans gets great parts and no one makes a big scuttlebutt about his sexual preferences. Sam should just come out because when he is eventually outted he will have been a sham. No respect for him myself.

r29 Totally agree. I’m fast losing respect because of these shenanigans. It makes him look insincere and manipulative .

R30 I thought Sam was a sincere and down to earth guy but like you and others I lately started to doubt his sincerity. Even MPC, which seemed to be his”child”, seems to be nothing more than a way to make money. He doesn’t care at all about what happens within that community. If he’s fed up with the idiotic fandom that is OL he should just quit the series after filming this season. The childish behaviour online, making fun of his fans(and many fans don’t even get his sarcasm) is 👎🏼 Grow up and be straightforward

They know that the PR bearding crap is backfiring so Dirty Sam is back.

He needs LUBE........lol

R32 and Babbeldon’s response 🤮

Sam cares very much about MPC and it's community.

Compared to most other actors who do nothing charitable, he is extremely admirable with his MPC and cancer fundraising. But make no mistake, it is a business and fan club for him.

Truth be told, MPC wasn't Sam's brainchild. I think the genesis of the idea came from Bear Strength who wanted to have a built-in sales channel for their t-shirts and workout gear. Hence MPC to capitalize on Sam's fan base of fraus who would, in essence be paying for t-shirts as part of a bundled fitness program. Sam probably added the charity component. Now it seems Sam is following the example lots of celebrities are using to make far more money than with their acting (Jessica Alba, Honest; Clooney, tequila; etc.) Sam wants to launch a whisky.

R31 he may make fun of the OL fandom in a backhanded way, but he has no interest in quitting it. He's under a standard 7-year contract, for one thing. But it's also his bread and butter, both the show itself for which he's paid in the 7 figures, and all the ways he's monetizing the cult fanbase. And the fans seem to love it. This, plus his hopes for more movies, is why he's in the closet.

R32

[quote] and Babbeldon’s response 🤮

Diana Gabaldon‏ @Writer_DG Retweeted Sam Heughan "I'm sure the person who is the focus of your attention would appreciate the courtesy. 🤔"

Haha, R32, and he takes time for innuendo about cross-dressing today in his Will & Grace banter with Cait.

I truly believe that Sam is gay. But I also think that he and Cait had some sort of physical relationship at one point. I wonder if they met, had instant chemistry, and he decided to try a straight relationship to make his transition to HW easier. . Kind of a "don't knock it til you try it" situation, but she doesn't have a cock sooo...It didn't work out, as it rarely does when we fight our base nature. She does strike me as someone that could take it up the ass like a champ though.

Someone is scrubbing MM's IG. They have only left the ass-kissing posts from the shamzie fraus.

R24 They crossed the co-star line too many times. Now they're trying to act as co-workers and it comes as fake and staged. We'll never know what their relationship is like. Who knows they might hate each other. And Sam's dirty jokes, it's getting boring. Is he a kid or a 38yo?

He’s letting people make him look as if he’s a child.

The majority of his middle age and over female hetero fan base don’t get his innuendo and sarcasm anyway. They have no idea what Sam is actually referring to.

I personally would like to see his "lubricated blade". I am kinda surprised he hasn't gone full frontal in OL. I love the innuendo TBH, and I'm curious if he's packing a broadsword, rapier, or dirk.

Tobias went full frontal, he even suggested it in first place lol. Sam will never do it, OL fans are crazy, his dick will be on SM for years

Ron Moore shot Sam full frontal in the last two episodes of Season 1, but chose not to include them.

Guess that means wee Willy winkie!

Oh I think they get the sexual innuendo, R44. That's part of the OL experience. They mostly don't get that he's gay, though.

R40 Gay men in their 30’s don’t try out having sex with a woman to see how it goes! Maybe in their teens. We’ve long lost any gay men on these threads but I think you’re just wrong about your theory. He and Balfe never had sex except simulated onscreen!

You seriously think those fraud know what getting a pearl necklace means?

Oops fraus

r51 Purv, ‘ open relationship, hot sex, Sam’s magical golden dirk etc etc’ , didn’t know the meaning. I doubt that many of the others got it. They are mostly concerned whether the Forth bridge is open to traffic yet ( see MM’s IG comments. It’s a real hoot ! ) .

R51 I know what it means lol

Can’t see them. She sent me an ugly message then blocked me after I called her out on her Instagram.

Maybe ‘ is the forth bridge open to traffic yet? ‘ is an innuendo.

r55 Who? Fake blonde? But she’s sooo sweet and good hearted!

R51, lots of OL fraus were around when ZZ Top's "Pearl Necklace" was a radio hit.

R55, what did Ms. Mauzy's ugly message say?

She said that I looked like I had gotten a bad face lift and I could be her grandmother.

Both untrue.

R60, sorry! Guess MM couldn't squelch her true nature indefinitely -- maybe some cracks are starting to show.

SHO posts on here and on twitter under the name Edna Mae when she wants to be under cover. She is just as fake as they come.

r60 just out of curiosity what did you post to make her have a comeback like that?

R60 Seriously? I missed that one. What did you say to her

R62, who is SHO?

They may not have known the pearl necklace reference at first, but at least some of them got clued in. They got the lubrication joke today, though. There's a lot of giggling in the replies on Twitter. This is why OL is popular with these women, because it's about an older married couple having romance and good sex (as the books go on). It's filling a need as it were. I say that without judgment. And Sam totally plays to that.

I made a comment about Sam not really being her bf and that she should come clean. That most of us knew anyway and their relentless game playing and her being a paid beard was demeaning to all women.

R66 Guess the truth hurts

R66 Woah she actually messaged you and said that?? Wow her nastiness keeps oozing through doesn't it? I mean, I'm sure it can't be fun to be the target of some of the ugly stuff she gets but you only stoop to that level if it's your level too.

R67 That's what I thought too. If it's not true why would it bother you at all? You'd just laugh at their wrongness and smile with satisfaction that you're sleeping w/Sam Heughan!

If you want MM to disappear DO Not click on her SM(it’s tempting for sure) If her clicks go down she will disappear so fast it’ll straighten out her wonky eye.

R69 That is so true. Every hate-follow or curiosity-follow helps her as does every single click on any of her pages. Not to mention when you use her name in a post. People are watching those statistics and they don't care if you're there to hate or to admire.

I mean, people are reporting hate-watching her movies! She/her people don't care if you hate watch, it helps her! You know who she is and you're watching her movies.

I can't find it now but there was advice on Twitter yesterday from a former employee who said every time you reply or click on or in any way elevate those who you don't like--even if you're eloquently proving their argument wrong, you are *helping* them. Icing them out and watching their number fall is what would hurt her.

R71, does that apply even if you don't have an Insta account and you just look via the Internet link?

Folks, we're not here to wish the beard ill. For one thing, she's actually so deplorable that it's exposing the charade. For another, it's not the focus of this thread. I want to see Heughan take courageous roles, again. We know he's got it in him.

This thread is full of fangirls!!

R72 It depends on what tools they're using and what they're interested in but, yes, they could be looking at just page views as a way of determining interest level.

Heughan's doing fashion product placement with his moles 'shopped out. 'Shoppin' for shoppers, are we?

YMMV, but I'm not a fan of this boyish look. Give me the more mature Armani style any day. He's almost 40 years old. But I guess he's trying to grab the last years of boyish-man roles, and he does have that sweet face.

#nuts again insults the face lifted grandmothers of Sam's fan base. Is this light weight related to our idiot dear leader?

R78 Who is #nuts?

R77 I agree not crazy about the boyish look

#nuts is what a ex boyfriend of MM called her after breakup. It is said she cheated on her husband of a year or two with her costar in Into the Woods.

[quote]#nuts is what a ex boyfriend of MM called her after breakup. It is said she cheated on her husband of a year or two with her costar in Into the Woods.

The beard MM cheated on her husband with Billy Magnussen.

Billy posted about MM in his IG: #ex #nuts #fuckher

The boyish look is designed for movie audiences, not his TV fans. Like we've said, his movie and TV audiences/goals are conflicting.

Agree, R82.

This next 6-7 months will be telling: how does the movie do (and him in it); and is OL renewed, or not. Future plans including the bearding / closeting may hinge on what happens.

The pearl necklace, the lube, tomorrow we're getting it... I'd say someone is in desperate need of some

I know, we hate talking about the posts of TB. But, there is something which is wrong with the interpretation about "the bridge and the shadow pic". According the laws of technical optics, this shadow can never show this kind of a silhouette of TB and Sam. This shadow is anything else.

And this explains why, I hope you can understand it, even it is in german. With the sun at 35° over the horizont, Sam 190 cm, his shadow is 271 cm long. With the sun 45 ° over the horizont his shadow is exactly 190 cm long. So anyone els is invited to come to his own conclusion.

And something to add. At Midday in Edinburgh today the sun was at 25.8°, an object with a hight of 190 cm would have projected a shadow with the lenght of nearly 390 (!) cm.

r85 Ha Ha. Well done! I knew there’d be someone out there who could scientifically work that out. The shadow is added on to that pic, obviously. More deceit.

r88. Sorry, i did not imply, that the shadow is added. May be, it is a shadow from something (an arm or anything else) I can not identify. But interpretating this shadow as a nearly silhoutte of TB is just BS.

Just like all of the other photoshopped crap. Play on playa.

What does TB stand for? That bitch what?

The Beard.

Not sure if this is right, first time I have posted here and not sure how to include a pic. This is a link to Google maps, South Queensferry, Forth Railway Bridge, there appears to be a bollard, little white pillar thing, exactly where the photograph was taken. Compare marks on stone wall?

r93. Very interesting. And more plausible. It can also be the shadow of the railing of the bench which is left of that bollard. Or a mixture of both of it.

So. My conclusion: There is no proof, that TB put one step on Scottish soil since her short visit with the familiy. No sighting at the rugby game, only a shared video on her IG, which was apparently taken by Sams nephew. Everything else just happens in the imagination of the Shamzies.

R95, I agree. There is also no proof that Sam was in New York the previous week. Every time he has traveled to NYC, someone has seen him at the airport, on the street, etc. The snowy running pic that that swear was in NYC could have been many places.

r96. According to the weather data from NYC on that specific date it was not snowing in the given time frame. It started snowing later on that day, which is correct.

. [quote]anonymous asked:I was at the Rugby on Saturday, but tonight I rewatched on iPlayer. In the many crowd scans I briefly saw S his bro & nephew, no blonde . Female to his left , hat on but hair looked light reddish, to brief to say if she was part of his company. But all seats around him were occupied.

The woman with the reddish hair next to Sam could be Marina.

[quote]Really?!? Interesting. Could you try screencaping and sharing so that we can check it out please? (I don’t know if you can cap vid in ipod/ipad player) I have been browsing pics (hella difficult for me to identify the stadium section where he was sitting, I mean I get many pictures from people in other areas but there, guess that’s what VIP seats are for) and the vids I have found are only the highlights of the game so I can’t see much of the crowd. I would really appreciate it if you could let us see. Thanks in advance!

My only caution is that we don't know. We see what they choose to show us, and literally everything is curated. I'm sure some of it is smoke and mirrors (the "Scottish flag" scarf from a year ago? that one was so weird.) But some of it will turn out to be "real" in the sense of yes, they were there. The fact that this is a contracted relationship and a marketing job doesn't change whether it's a "fake" photo or a "real" one. The biggest tell here is that there's a marketing campaign at all. The shipper/shamzie obsession with photos can be a bit of a rabbit hole. Fun to speculate, but what we really know for sure is the fact of the sales job.

Really what the hell difference does it make if she was there or not. What difference does it make if Sam was in NY or not. What difference does it make what made the shadow? This just goes way beyond obsession.

R99 This is true. And there really is only a tiny percentage of people who will scrutinize to this degree. The vast majority of the fans will take everything at face value and that’s all they (PR) really care about so it really doesn’t matter if the sometimes “real” is mixed up w/a bunch of obvious-if-you-look-closely-enough fake stuff. It all does want they want for the desired audience in the end.

I know but aren't you happy when someone can debunk the PR lies that they have been shoving down our throats since two years ago and helping to keep the closet alive?

R102. I think it can be fun to speculate. Have at it! I just don't see anything as proof - like R100 said, it doesn't matter whether he was in NYC or she was in Edinburgh. What tells me it's fake is that they try too hard. Putting her in a scarf with Scottish flags (or photoshopping it, perhaps, it doesn't matter), really? Matchy-matchy equality t-shirts for the pap walk? Putting up a photo with a shadow, wink wink? When any normal person would post either scenery or a selfie? Posting and then removing and then reposting at a better time the video (whether or not she was there)? They're trying to sell us on the relationship. Why? Why does it matter? It only matters because they're branding him as hetero.

Here's the scarf photo from New Year 2017 for those just joining us. Again, it's the big sales job that convinces me. (Here's a photo, look at me, I'm on a fancy ski trip wearing -- Scottish flags!) But this photo is just weird too. I'm no photographer, but those flags don't look right.

See, I can have fun with the smoke and mirrors too. Just don't look for "proof."

Why would you need basement dwelling tumblrinas taking 20,000 screencaps, 24/7 to prove that two straight people are dating? Straight people dating is the norm. Since when does so much energy need to be expended by people outside of a straight relationship to prove what happens all the time with no effort on anyone's part? Straight people don't post suggestive or stealth photos of their dates. They don't commission others to do it, either.

Bottom line: Nobody needs to prove the truth. Just the sheer amount of effort involved in trying to "hint" around this relationship is suspicious. All you need is a pair of eyes and a little knowledge of history to see the age-old Hollywood PR image machine at work, churning out its usual BS to cover up something it wants to hide.

I always wonder where MM legs were in Sam's birthday picture from South Africa. Me thinks if Sam was in New York his good buddy Just Jarad would of had him photographed. Sam seems to jump at the chance for that.

R105, spot on!

And since they have an “on again off again “ relationship (according to recent pr), why do we never see pics of Sam hanging out with other women. Common sense is this is bearding 101.

R105. Perfectly stated. That's the real argument.

R106. In the category of fun, those missing legs were a photoshop fail of some kind, I agree, along with the scarf flag. What were they thinking? And then getting Cait to post it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ha ha! It’s all so bad , it’s hilarious. I never noticed the missing legs. Had to have a look. They’re definitely not there, or the woman’s (who’s she ffs) next to her. Ha!

Again, just for fun, here's the "missing legs" photo. So sloppy because all they had to do was crop out the legs.

Looking for this photo reminded me just how many "Sam and Mackenzie are dating!" photos Just Jared has published in the last year. As R105 stated, the Hollywood image machine at work.

He always looks like he is pale and going to vomit when near her. Even when photoshopped in.

Sam's dead eyes at R111....

He looked much more happy with his tiara ;)

I think it has been a while since we have seen a recent pic of gay Sam. I wonder if he is growing out his gay hair?

I think he's doing wigs again this season, so still has the short hair IRL.

R115 which looks great, never liked the red longer hair. HIs natural colour is better

Sam’s his own worst enemy selling the bearding, he undermines it. Posting a photo of valentines pancakes in Caitriona Balfe’s kitchen on Valentine’s Day, on MPC page, bit strange as she’s newly engaged and they’ve barely interacted since Dec. Immediately bringing back Mauzy with her photos, god knows where she is, UK/U.S? He can’t seem to bring himself to sell it 100%

Balfe and Heughan aren't friends. They're just co-stars who were caught in the HW shitshow. They were selling the showmance until they realized nobody will ever see them as individuals. Now they're trying to build their own image and career. But it looks fake as fuck because of their pretend friendship the past few years. I don't care about Balfe, but I feel sorry and angry at Sam at the same time. Just reveal yourself, man. Be example to those who are hiding in the closet, be an inspiration to them. It might be hard at the beginning, but that's an unique chance to make a change!

r118. I’m not sure they’ve never been friends, I think they were, not sure they still are. Professionally seem to be separating from each other for individual career paths, understandable if OL ending. Balfe in fashion industry very comfortable round gay scene, gay friends, no barrier to close friendship with Sam. Whole dynamic has changed since the Uk morning show appearance, sudden stoppage of SM banter and her engagement. Tried to re start it with marathon donation pleas, but seemed forced and only for the pledges. I don’t think Balfe and MM have much in common!!!

We don't know if they are, or have been, good friends, because we only see the public face of things. My sense of it is they are work buddies, they have an easy Will & Grace thing when it's going well, and they have in common that both went from unknown to (niche/cult) success. But they don't have much in common outside of work in terms of interests and activities.

No idea about recent tensions, but they do seem to be trying to carve career pathways separate from OL and each other. Sam has has to navigate both her greater success at winning noms and awards (the recent release of their chemistry test / audition from 2013 reminded me how far she's risen - back then, he was the already-cast lead and she was supplicant - now she's the lead and he's the supporting actor in many ways). Also her engagement has obviously put pressure on Sam's hetero campaign since many fans were still believing they were together despite the awkward denial; gay rumors have grown since December. So, tensions? Could be.

I don't have access to MPC photos, but wasn't the pancake photo just a Shrove Tuesday meme of his that the remaining shippers blew up into a Valentine's thing with Cait (ffs)? When he does sexual banter it's usually pretty clear, like the lube joke yesterday. Not innuendo photos. That's shipper/shamzie land. Or MM on insta.

Anyway, he's clearly trying to find opportunties beyond this show, in HW. Otherwise he wouldn't need to be bearding.

[quote]OL ending

Thank you sweet, sweet baby jesus.

Re Sam finding opportunities in HW beyond this show. The million-dollar question is, will he find them? If they don't materialize, is there a place in British films / TV shows for him? Or back to the theater? If he stays in the UK, I'd say there's a better chance he drops the beard and comes back out - maybe not a big announcement, but dropping the pretence, anyway.

Sam is pushing 40, it’s a very crowded field for romantic, action hero type roles, with many younger and better actors out there. S2 and 3 of OL was uneven for him, some good and some not so good performances. From watching the trailer of Starlight, his accent is awful and acting average at best. Spy movie better blow casting directors socks off or it isn’t happening for him there. I think he knows this, auditioned 7 times for GoT with no offers and was barely making rent before Jamie Fraser came along. A role made for him. The bearding makes him look ridiculous and taints his overall image. In UK his sexuality not as important as HW, plenty of quality tv dramas produced and theatre too

Quality British TV plus some theater would be an excellent fit for him as he heads into middle age.

R124 I agree. I think he’d be happier too.

R124 and R125 I believe that too. He needs his privacy and he needs to be himself, he also needs to be able to play something else than the Jamie unicorn and he can. I think he is best at drama. I believe in him.

What about that gross TW exchange with Cree about used condoms....Awful

That, my dear r127 is dirty, dirty blond original Sam. Love it!

The weird part - some women could actually buy his used condoms lol

R128 I don't know. I've been a huge fan of his past dirty, dirty blond stuff and I'm about as far from a prude as you can get, but I cringed at that exchange. That's the kind of stuff that might be funny in private but I'd not be at all happy if my boyfriend/sexual partner joked publicly about sending his friend our used condoms. Yikes.

R129 That is horrifyingly probably true!

I wonder what this Sunday event is that people keep posting about on MM’s IG? Surely they are not getting engaged or announcing their engagement.

R131 From on-off GF to fiancee. I can see it happening, especially with the Sam's lousy PR people.

Vomit.

Sam lacks decency

For our first time troll posters here, who just are popping up, small reminder.

This is a thread about gay actor Sam Heughan. DL is probably not the right place to calibrate your moral compass.

[quote]I wonder what this Sunday event is that people keep posting about on MM’s IG?

Probably, some Oscar party. The poster that commented in MM's IG lives in LA and is Jon Fletcher's friend , People are saying that the beard is already out of Scotland.

r316. TB was probably never in Scotland in the last days.

[quote]TB was probably never in Scotland in the last days.

Agree.

The fraus who think this is all a romantic precursor to an imminent Sam/MM engagement are beyond delusional.

Let’s hope that’s the case and Sam won’t go that far in the closet.

[quote]Probably, some Oscar party. The poster that commented in MM's IG lives in LA and is Jon Fletcher's friend ,

I've always thought that last year, the beard was probably at Jon Fletcher's Oscar party. That's why there wasn't any pic of her with Sam at the Vanity Fair party.

The second blonde on the left:

[quote]The fraus who think this is all a romantic precursor to an imminent Sam/MM engagement are beyond delusional.

Sam has NOT liked MM's ultra-photoshopped new pic.

MM has NOT liked Sam's new snow pic.

Cesar Domboy has liked Sam's pic #lovewins ;))

The Twitter exchange between Cree and Sam says it all. Cree knows Sams gay of course, and their back and forth makes that clear.

Gotta love the way Cree takes the piss out of Heughan every chance he gets, and Heughan Talks is brilliant and a silent 'fuck you' to Camuso who has never recovered from that scandal.

R144. Explain, please? You mean Camuso and Michael Jackson? How is Cree addressing Camuso at all? I get that he's taking the piss on Heughan. (He's also very funny taking on the pro-Trump OL fangirls who hate his politics, which, being Scottish, trend left of anything those women have ever seen in their lives.)

Lot of joking these last few days on Twitter from Balfe and McTavish with Sam about him wearing a corset. (He would look good in a corset.)

That corset joke started after last year's Facebook live with Sam and Caitriona. Looks like Sam really wants to wear a corset.

Someone tweeted Sam pic of the beard with used condom and Cree liked it lmao

R148 lol saw it

Wondering if Sam's used condom crack was intentional. He has to know his beard was in a movie where she went dumpster diving for used condoms. He also has to know one of his rabid fans would find a still and post it.

r150. No, it’s just crass teenage schoolyard innuendo that Heughan and Cree should’ve outgrown. They opened the door and the rabid fans waltzed on in. Not much they can do to condemn them now

Why r151 should they? This banter is much more RL than fucking stupid innuendos and fake scripted appearances on red carpets.

Sam has posted -and quickly deleted- a pic of an Audi buried under snow and the caption was about him not being able to make it to Oscar events in LA as planned…

Shouldn’t he be there with his movie opening this summer? He can’t get to LA by Sunday? Come on Sam start shoveling!

Just reposted with different wording.

Did anyone see him specifically mention the Oscars on the original post or was it just an assumption?

[quote]Just reposting with different wording

Yep, R155.

Do you think he will travel or not?

I haven't entered this thread before because this TV show looks like adolescent trash.

But last night I watched that silly whodunit Midsomer Murders from around 2006. Sam had a normal skinny English body then playing a character based on Hamlet. He was mentally confused and being pursued by a gay friend. The character had no psychological consistency.

The shamzie queen Purv feels so 'drained'. and saturated.....but she is still ready to fabricate 'sightings' and 'sources info'........xdd

He can still make it to LA for a Saturday night Party. If he can manage it to get to London tomorrow by noon, no Problem. Last BA flight is leaving at 15.30 and arriving at LAX at 18.30 local time. So, still one day left until Saturday.

R158 ha ha, he still seems mentally confused IRL

R158, I never saw Midsomer Murders. Do you think the psychological inconsistency was due to bad writing, or acting, or both? It's a question I've wondered about with regard to some of his acting ups and downs in OL. He got some really bad (cheesy) lines in this last season, and a very inconsistent character arc. Hard to tease out what was the writers, and also poor source material, and what was him not delivering. Not universally terrible - he had some good moments - but inconsistent. This question speaks to his future prospects.

Well the beard managed to “travel” (cough) back to LA without any difficulty as her friend is catching up with her on Sunday. So it’s just Sam who is “travel challenged” or perhaps he could just not bear another round of “here’s my beard” during Oscar party week. The fact that his longtime friend Cree liked a picture of the beard dumpster diving for used condoms speaks volumes about what he thinks of her!

What I find most amusing in this whole thing regarding Purv is this. She shines a spotlight on everything the shippers do or say. She is the one stop shopping . She shows how silly shippers are by giving credence to them. I admit I snoop around several shipper blogs and they don't even show pictures of Sam or Cait anymore.. They reblog twitters and gossip but never picture of them. The only place I saw MM diving for condoms pic was at the Purv site. I am sure MM is glad for the dumpster exposure. Thanks Purv for all the shipping. Sorry she is tired ,original thoughts are tough,maybe she will have one now. DL has the best gossip by the way,Thanks everyone.

Well Sam seems very happy about being in Glasgow rather than travelling to LA were his supposed “true love” lives. The bearding takes a toll and he always appears to be much more joyous when nowhere near the beard.

r165. Again, he can still travel tomorrow.

He needs an exposure. That;s what these parties are for. It would be good for him to go.

Problem is that if he has to attend those events with the cross-eyed beard than the response from most would be WTF. The beard is not the smartest tool in the shed, is a D-list actress at best, is not particularly attractive (her short neck and stubby legs are just yuk) and is far below Sam’s level if he was straight. Most people would wonder why he couldn’t do better and then jump to “she’s a beard”. The beard drags his image into the dumpster. If it is all real than Sam has seriously bad taste because the beard is just going to get uglier with age.

r168 and looks are everything and is the most important thing in life, right?

Sam may not be able to travel because our airlines are a mess from the storms in Europe and the storm that is going to hit the east coast tonight. hundreds of flights have been canceled.

[quote]Well the beard managed to “travel” (cough) back to LA without any difficulty as her friend is catching up with her on Sunday. So it’s just Sam who is “travel challenged” or perhaps he could just not bear another round of “here’s my beard” during Oscar party week. The fact that his longtime friend Cree liked a picture of the beard dumpster diving for used condoms speaks volumes about what he thinks of her!

Very telling........;)

Perhaps they were getting ready to promo a fake engagement during Oscar week? It looked like it was being set up that way with her family travelling to Scotland, Sam supposedly travelling to NYC (and following her some of her few friends on Twitter finally) then the beard was supposedly back in Scotland and interested in rugby (with a Heughan family member finally following her on IG after a supposed 2 year relationship). Sam seems very happy to be staying in freezing Glasgow. I suppose it’s better than having to front a work party with a D-list actress who comes across in her SM as shallow, dumb, unkind and fake as all hell.

R171 If I were her PR people, I’d advise against letting her go with this story as it makes her look bad. They get back together immediately after Caitriona gets engaged and they announce their own engagement mere weeks later?? It makes her look like a clear second choice.

How many times can I agree with the above description of the beard? Oops, you forgot one-cross eyed! Maybe she can take a few more sideways pics during Oscar week so we won’t have to see to googlies. If Sam ends up going, I pray that he avoids her stanky ass and flaunts his shiny gay self all over the red carpet!

Who knows. I kind of doubt they're at engagement-level acting. I think they did a contract renewal to be "on" again to squelch the resurgent rumors about being gay. Engagement would be too far, too fast. Agree it's likely she's in LA and maybe was never in Scotland. Who knows, maybe something will drop on that one. Or maybe they'll play it coy. We only see what they want us to, unless one of of their friends screws up.

I doubt Cree was trying to say anything by liking that photo. He likes to take the piss out of his boy Sam, including teasing him about being gay, but he's usually pretty straightforward about that (even if the fangirls don't take any of it as literally meant, even when it is). Cree has no reason to know TB or to hate her; she's just an actress playing a part. He probably just saw another raunchy photo in that series of raunchy photos and gifs that fans posted when they were doing their condom banter (followed by corset banter).

I'm smelling a lot of disgruntled SamCait shippers in this thread. One in particular is very fond of calling MM no-neck and stubby.

R175, agree, and I'd just like to say this isn't a hate-the-beard thread. I don't like or hate her - I see an out-of-work soap actress with a vapid social media presence, but whatever - that's all branding and we don't know her, really - I mostly see her as doing a job. Whoever gets that kind of job is going to fit the profile we're seeing. I'm more interested in the systems and mechanisms through which homophobia operates in HW, and how they're managing the bearding in the social media age. Also Sam is easy on the eyes. And the difference between the UK and USA with this stuff is interesting also.

I agree, R176. Beard hating tumblrinas, kindly fuck off and spew on your own blogs.

Hmmmm.........I hope that R175 is not the SHAMzie troll again. The shamzies are not very happy today......

Let's remind where Sam spent his Christmas holidays: in Glasgow and London, WITHOUT the beard.

With the buggers......xd

Dear closeted Shamzie supporters, you’re obvious.

[quote]Agree it's likely she's in LA and maybe was never in Scotland.

And some shamzies have started to notice it:

[quote]bebop1971 said: @whoreallyknowswho I don’t think so …Her IG likes are not In UK time ( or would be at 02:00 am , 04:30 am in Uk time yesterday ) looks very late at night …

Maybe that's why the shamzie queen and some of her minions are 'taking a break'.......xd

[quote]I'm more interested in the systems and mechanisms through which homophobia operates in HW

Bingo, R176. Heughan's bearding and closeting is a microcosm of the bigger picture in Hollywood, a system driven by homophobia, gay shame and exploitation that gays have suffered under for decades and are still fighting.

Meanwhile, kudos to the out and proud Kate McKinnon. Heughan should take a page out of his costar's book...

R181 Thanks for the link; funny and interesting

Meanwhile... Sam just started following Jennifer Lawrence on IG. A new film project or taking bearding to a whole other level? The first hint of the emergence of the current beard was a follow by Sam on SM also. At least Jen would enhance Sam’s visibility in HW and his career prospect. The current beard has made him seem less attractive (he somehow always looks less appealing when his with her rather than when he was showbearding with Cait) and like he has very bad taste in women. Does anyone actually believe that if Sam was straight that he could not do so much better than the beard? And one doesn’t have to be an OL fan of any type to see her short neck, stubby legs, bad dye job (get a new hairdresser please!) or the shallow nature of her character on SM (a Daddy’s princess who clearly expects to get what she wants). She’s even plagerised several times without hesitation until called out.

[quote]She’s even plagerised

Right, Jennifer Lawrence, one of the biggest box office stars is going to be a beard. That’s crazy. Kudos to Sam if he could get a project with her , but why would she be a beard, she seems pretty upfront with her opions. Sam is our closeted poster child don’t suggest more bearding.

R162 Sam was beautiful and slender in this 1997 episode of Midsomer Murders.

I assumed he and Tim were lovers but the plot was twisting around so much that it was hard for the plot to make sense.

The psychological inconsistency was mainly due to the scriptwriters wanting to keep us guessing until the end when the murderer was revealed.

This homophobic Hollywood shit has to stop. Just been watching a British soap opera called “Coronation Street” on Hulu. Main male characters are gay men playing straight, straight men playing gay, & gay & straight men playing themselves, all totally believable. Same with the female characters. Also watched a British cop tv movie called “Paranoid” where the main character - a detective - is played by an openly gay and f.....ing gorgeous actor playing a straight guy. Again completely believable. In case anyone wants to see it on Netflix, his name is Dino Fetscher. It’s about time Hollywood, along with other areas in this country need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Nobody gives a fuck if an actor is gay. If he’s a good actor that’s all that matters.

R188 it should be

I don't know who said Sam bought a house, (maybe he did) but he still lives in Glasgow juging by his SM the past two days

I think he bought Cait's old place because she's moved out.

So we’re supposed to believe that Sam was in NYC holidaying with the beard, then flew home to Scotland for a week despite not working (and supposedly accompanied by the beard of course because it wasn’t at all suspect that she posted the rugby video in the middle of the night UK time only to delete it and post it at a time intended to get maximum coverage in the USA) although he’s supposed to be in LA this weekend? Wouldn’t it have made more sense for Sam to stay in the USA if he had indeed really been there? This is starting to look a lot like the fake trip to France this summer!

They must rack up those frequent flyer discounts on Imagine Airways

He was working this week until the snow caused travel chaos, that started on Wednesday . Beard if ever in Scotland seems to have left on Sunday so only a 24hr stay. He apparently posted then deleted about plans to attend pre Oscars Parties this weekend, again not possible due to weather in Scotland , repost later had altered caption just referring to travel ( no specific destination)but happy to be staying home . The first flight scheduled to LA from Scotland is not until Sunday and that will no doubt be full with cancelled passengers and too late for him to attend parties . He followed #JenniferLawrence not JL herself. There is a fan pic from yesterday from Glasgow with a very happy looking Sam .

He was not in NYC. She was not in Scotland. This whole story only happened on the Shamzie tumblr.

In a joint interview with Cait, she said something about him buying a house and he said yes he bought a house. This was after season 1 sometime.

R195 Yes, during s2 promotion, but that house is outside Glasgow according to the rumours.

Maybe it's in Edinburgh, where his mother lives. He's always praised the capital city highly in interviews.

Edinburgh is a beautiful city, and no doubt he would say so, but he didn't say/write those things. It's a classic travel article highlighting local businesses with Sam's voice supposedly providing flavor. (The marketing / branding of Sam started early, didn't it?).

Anyway, the film studios are near Glasgow, and it's always been said he lives over there. No idea if it's in the city or outside. Glasgow is a bigger, younger city than Edinburgh with more of a club and music scene. Like that drag club he was spotted in last fall (sadly, now closed, I believe). Edinburgh and Glasgow aren't that far away from each other, anyway - easy commute distance except the traffic is terrible (take the train if you're going).

There is an Interview, where he was asked about tipps what to do for hiking or smth likes this. In this Interview he mentioned something like he is living in the countryside near Glasgow. May be this ex Cait appartment is now used by him during filming/working weeks. Starz is paying the rent for this furnited places (like the loft he lived before).

He's been outed in a couple of blinds over the past year or two already. The most recent one said that his beard is actually dating an American footballer. But when she's in Europe, they pose for the cameras like they're in love... whatever.

Wherever he's living, or staying, or both, I hope he continues to be successful at keeping that bit of information private.

[quote]But when she's in Europe, they pose for the cameras like they're in love.

A 'dating' couple is living on separate continents and remaining celibate for months at a time? Does anyone believe that two privileged, attractive, fit, young people would put up with that shizz? They're obviously fucking people on the down low and it ain't each other.

Gay woman here. Bearded myself for over 18yrs. Its a sham I can tell you. High profile and very public job caused a few incidents, like the time my beard was seen by someone when accompanied by his real wife! Wanna know how hard that was to explain. It is a shame HW hasn't entered the 21st century yet, even though I fully understanding bearding. There are far too many homophobic people amongst the general public who support high profile industries like HW and my industry. I am not in the entertainment industry, I was in Healthcare. I know what it is like to act fake, its really demeaning, shameful and it batters your self esteem at times. However, if I was to be credible in my role then beard I must. I totally understand Sam's need to beard. If he was to be the "king of men", then he had no choice. Its not about money so much as it is about a need to appear "hetero", to a story and be believable. I wish it were different but there you are, first hand experience. Incidentally, I don't believe the beard was in Scotland recently, or at the rugby game. Its all smoke and mirrors.

[quote I know what it is like to act fake, its really demeaning, shameful and it batters your self esteem at times.

Sounds agonizing, R203. Thanks, again, for sharing your story. These days, it seems Heughan is barely able to keep the pretense going.

R203. Thanks for sharing your story. I hope these generations coming up don't put up with this nonsense. Public polling and current events to show they have very different attitudes about both LGBTQ issues *and* about cutting through the BS of public relations.

R202. You're right, their on/off relationship an ocean and continent apart makes no sense. Not for her as a young adult, and not for him, though I wouldn't say he's young, but rather an attractive man, pushing 40, with no long term girlfriend history or even real dating history at all with women. But either way, it beggars common sense to think he's having a long-distance romance with this girl 5000 miles away in Los Angeles.

R204,R205. Thank you. R204, what was made ten times worse was when in 2012, I was charged with sexual harrasment from a disgruntled male subordinate. His charges against me bordered the absurd. However, The NDA I had signed was brought up in my court case. My lawyers had begged the plaintiff to keep silent or he would be litigated for breaking the courts agreement, but he didn't and I was shamed for non disclosure. Of course we counter sued, but it was VERY messy. In this day and age, being a member of the LGBT community is not what it used to be but I did lose the loyalty and frienship of coworkers, colleagues, contemporaries and subordinates. They told me they felt duped, that I was a fake, some even told me they didn't believe it. All which caused a forced retirement. I fully support those who have the bold courage to be open about being gay these days because as mentioned on this series of threads, it can come and bite you in the ass one day. Sam is careful, very careful, he leaves much to innuendo.

Contemplating Shamzie is apparently wagging her finger at LGBTQ people who have the nerve to call BS on PR fauxmances. Whether it's a thinly veiled attempt to diss people who post on DL about Heughan, we'll just clarify that you can't out someone who was previously out. All you can do is shake your head in disbelief at the comic spectacle of someone trying to stuff themselves back into the closet with, er... shall we say, mixed results? God knows we've tried to look away. It's just impossible to play that dumb.

There is/was "someone" (no doubt a male) in Sam's life, as you can see in the video below at 1:40. I can't find the video, in which Cait says that the last thing Sam bought was a house. It doesn't say, where it is and countryside around Glasgow is just a speculation. As seen on the picture of Sam's Audi it could be in a part of Glasgow, probably near West End (he has been living there for a long time and it's one of the richest parts of the city. And as I said before, he's often spotted in West End by fans), Glasgow's City Centre doesn't have parking spaces at the front door.

This one is also priceless lol

I'm bisexual and I've helped countless college students come out of the closet so that gives me the moral authority to dictate to all LGBTQ people what to think and say, and if we disagree you are all FUBAR!!!

r209. Here is the snippet from the interview: It is from MEN'S JOURNAL, probably from 2017. For the complete interview see link.

"Where To Go

I grew up in the South West, on old castle grounds that were also a working farm. That is an amazing area, but now I live in a region near Glasgow, which is a fantastic place to visit. There are beautiful munro peaks near by. Most recently I went to Beinn na Caillich, which was a great trip. There are many great hiking trails all over, not to mention you are too far from the water, so you get all of the experiences. Loch Lomond is a lovely place to be, and not many people know that Loch Lomond, a national park, has more water in it than all of the lake in Europe put together. Then if you want to make a trip to the arts center of Edinborough, it’s not a far trip at all"

I'm the moral authority on relationships that are "going strong" cuz y'all know my polyamorous partner and I would just as soon fuck other people as fuck each other. BTW, I'm taking a BREAK (for probably 5 minutes) because I'm so DRAINED trying to convince other delusionals of my delusions.

So people, as in shamzie people, think TB is back in LA. I guess they think she flew from NYC to Scotland on Friday, and flew back to LA on Monday or Tuesday before the storm canceled flights and shut down the airports in Scotland starting on Wednesday (whereas Sam stayed on to enjoy the snow days in Glasgow)? That's a lot of jet lag for a weekend trip. Not saying people don't ever do that, but it is reminiscent of the NYC-France-NYC-Scotland-NYC-Scotland flights that Sam supposedly did within about 10 days last summer. If you have the money for a quick weekend jaunt to Europe, or several, then you do you, but most people don't make travel plans like that for fun. No, this isn't proof or whatever. Just saying that this relationship seems like a contracted deal looking at it from 35,000 feet.

Who would want to spend all that time on a plane unless you are getting paid, and be paid well at that.

r214 and r215. She met Sam last time in September and again in the taxi line 4 months later in Glasgow, when she flew economy to Glasgow. The Marie Claire article was pushed by her PR, to make her relevant again. It was a kind of again microwaved menue with old pics, and there was a reason they called it an on/off-relationship. Everything after happened only in the Shamzie tumblr dreams. I am even not sure, there is still a contract. Remember, Sam attended the GG pre party without a visible +1.

Exactly, R215, and I doubt she was even on that plane since they could accomplish the same thing by posting the video and photo. I mean, who knows, but that seems likely to me. Just like it's likely that Sam wasn't in France last year with her but rather in NYC, before doing all those Scotland-NYC trips.

R216, I think the last contract expired in the fall and they revived it recently to deal with the rumors that have swelled since Cait's engagement.

Looks like Sam has been at the gym tonight.........in Scotland.

Valbo IG stories:

[quote]He was not in NYC. She was not in Scotland. This whole story only happened on the Shamzie tumblr.

Yep.

After the IG story that MM has posted from LA today, the SHAMzie queen has been forced to admit that the beard is not in Scotland. Yesterday, the shamzies were still grasping at straws.

I glanced at the old Men's Journal "interview" with Sam posted by R212, and am reminded that no one should take any information provided by these fluff / marketing pieces seriously. The photos are lovely, but the writing is terrible, and they get really basic information wrong, misspelling the name Edinburgh and saying that Loch Lomond has more water than all the lakes in Europe - that would be Loch Ness, which is narrow but very deep, as it basically a fault line. Loch Lomond is beautiful, though! And does have better hiking and accessibility to Glasgow.

I'm not saying Sam got this wrong - I'm saying these magazine "interviews" aren't real. Maybe they chat with him, maybe they only go off the stuff PR sends them, plus whatever facts they mangle from Wikipedia. So when anyone points to stuff like this as "proof" about anything personal, including his dating life, or anything else, remember it's all marketing BS. Everyone is using everyone to sell / brand / monetize. In this case the brands are Scottish tourism, Barbour clothing, and Sam himself. It's all commodified.

r222. Yes, you are right concerning the other facts in that article. And the Loch Lomond stuff is just wrong. There are much, much bigger lakes in Europe, even by volume, as you already said. So. As I am the poster at r212, you are absolutetly right to question the statement about his place.

R212 / R223, I appreciate your finding and posting it! I just want to remind us not to take anything as true in this world of celebrity. It's all advertising and branding. Including #heteroHeughan.

In terms of Sam's career, he seems to be trying to leverage this moment for money and future prospects. On one level, it makes sense: take this golden ring of a starring role in a cable show and turn it into more opportunities, after all these years working in the trenches with no big roles, no big shows, no HW. And maybe that's right - he has a chance to make a leap to another level, and if not, well, make hay while the sun shines, and fill up that bank account. On another level, I wonder if it's good advice as it is so focused on the marketing and not the craft itself. But maybe that's me being idealistic. Cait, who came to this in a similar position, has received more recognition for her acting, and so far we don't see her getting movie roles (does she want them?).

r224. Absolutely. Could be my words. So Balfe, I do not have any opinion about her work. But for sure there are tons of actors female actors out there in Europe, which are younger and may be more talented and able to play variable characters. May be HW is asking and waiting for her, Europe is surely not. Concerning Sam, hmmm it is getting a little bit more difficult. I thinking, he got the part because, I ve stated that before, there were not to many unknown faces (which they were looking for, cause of payment and the availability for seven years) in Europe you were able to play this unicorn invented by DG. So they need the muscular hero with a huge female part having the looks to play the young Jamie and the elder one beliviable. But outside this, puuuh, I do not see any kind of career in HW. Remember what happened to Viggo Mortensen after LOTR? He did one HW thing, which was slightly successful and then went back to smaller Art House Produktions (I really appreciated him in the two Cronenberg movies). But VM came from much more knowledge and LOTR was seen by trizillions. So for Sam, may be some indie stuff in Europe or theater or fitness guru. A great career as an actor? Probably not.

Agree, R225. I'd love to see him have a steady career in theater and British TV. Like Doug Henshall and David Tennant, to name two middle-aged Scottish actors, which Sam will be too, soon enough.

Sam was spotted at the Edinburgh airport this morning (it's been more operational than Glasgow). Cesar Domboy was also spotted and he is apparently headed to Brussels per his own IG - that's not to say they are traveling together, just that they were both at the airport on the first day that most planes aren't grounded since Wednesday. More info at Sam-Heughan-Daily on tumblr and reblogged by all the usuals. The (male) fan who posted the photo has apparently removed it - probably getting mobbed by fans, poor lad. It's kind of a cute photo of both of them.

Meanwhile, the shamzies are happy because #truelovewins and no snowstorm can keep Sam & his girl apart, haha. Their current line is she made it out before the snowstorm because she had to work. Lol. Because of course she was in Scotland. And of course she has important work. The shadow knows.

Anyway, Oscars incoming, most likely.

Looks like he's on his way out of Scotland- I'm already dreading seeing him on some Oscar carpet with The Beard. IG photo of him taken at the Airport today.

[quote]Sam was spotted at the Edinburgh airport this morning (it's been more operational than Glasgow). Cesar Domboy was also spotted and he is apparently headed to Brussels per his own IG - that's not to say they are traveling together, just that they were both at the airport on the first day that most planes aren't grounded since Wednesday. More info at Sam-Heughan-Daily on tumblr and reblogged by all the usuals. The (male) fan who posted the photo has apparently removed it - probably getting mobbed by fans, poor lad. It's kind of a cute photo of both of them.

With Balfe's engagement and the movie coming out in the summer, plus whatever is going on with OL, this is the big push for him. Do or die in HW, and he's going for it. I remember us speculating last fall, when it seemed the beard contract had ended, that he might get the fall/holidays off, and that February + Oscar season would be another ramp-up, either with MM or with a new "girlfriend." So none of this is surprising, though I'll be cringing too, R228. It's sad he still has to do this in 2018.

It's certainly looking more and more likely that she was not in Scotland this week at all, so there's that.

The boy has a plan and he's determined to execute it. We can only sit and watch the circus.

You are exactly right, R231. Pass the popcorn.

r232. He was on TW at 16.30 UTC/GMT. Last flight from Heathrow to LAX leaving at 15.30 GMT.

R233, unless he's accessing flight wifi? An early flight tomorrow would get him to LA tomorrow afternoon, which isn't a lot of time for hair and makeup for the parties.

Guess we'll see. Watching from the cheap seats ....

R234 Cheap seats for a cheap show.

r235. Anyway. Giving this play. Totally overpriced on all seats...

Cait said she had many offers last hiatus but turned them down. OL takes most of the year to film. As long as they are on this show, I imagine they will fill hiatus with quickie cons and endorsements. Cons are big money for a weekend of work. I just don't see him being big in HW. He is kind of a fish out of water there, and when he drags the child beard along it gets even worse.

R237 agree

The cons are quick money but they fuel some of the worst fan behavior. The idea people have that they've met the real person by engaging them in social media or getting 5 seconds of body contact for a photo, or that the answers to the dumb panel questions are anything other than scripted PR. I'm sure the actors complain about the dumb fans, but then, they're there taking the money. Tobias Menzies looked especially low-key horrified to be at SDCC last year. I guess some of these cons are in their contracts with the production companies so it's not all personal choice to be there.

This kind of celebrity just seem like a pit to me. Addictive, and temporarily lucrative, but with a lot to lose in terms of authenticity and meaning. Especially for the many like Sam who are in the closet on top of everything else.

I love this comment from an excellent actor, master of her craft, Frances McDormand. She has no time for the PR mill and has focused on her acting. And she will be remembered for it:

"She paused in the street. “I say: ‘What’s your name?’ ” She peered into my eyes and grasped my arm. “I touch them. I look at them. I have a real exchange,” she said. “I’m not an actor because I want my picture taken. I’m an actor because I want to be part of the human exchange.”

Just then, a young Frenchwoman walked up to us and said, “ ‘Fargo’? ‘Fargo’! Oh, j’adore ‘Fargo’!” It all transpired as McDormand had described: She refused the picture and the autograph but asked the woman what her name was, made extended eye contact and allowed herself to be hugged. The woman was elated."

R 239 That’s such a nice story;she has a lot of integrity. The things Sam says on his public SM make me wonder what he’s going for . It’s all advertising like an infomercial and then he makes really unprofessional remarks like a high school boy. Is that what he thinks a straight guy would talk like or just fan bait for the lowest common denominator? Oh I guess I answered my own question. Doesn’t seem like what a serious actor would do , and he seemed pretty actorish in the early days. Like you guys say “smoke and mirrors “!

Joan of Arc must be turning over in her grave.......LOL

New pic of the 'condom girl' aka Sam's beard:

r241. Classy, isn't she?

r241. TB or otherwise named "the interstellar overkill PR-Nightmare" or something like this.

Unfortunately he doesn't see re-coming out as an option. But he does seem like a nice enough guy, why can't he find a better beard? This one is awful and such an embarrassment for him.

I wonder how the Barbour people like having their jacket in that kind of picture? Or wonder what Papa says about this image. Pushing thirty .This picture reminds me of a used condom joke.

Last laugh??????Someone should tell these deluded SHAMzies that Sam is NOT interested in that ass......xd

There are a good number of fans that attend all of these cons. They feel privledged and will let you know they are on a first name basis with Sam. One even brought a bottle of beer from TB’s family distillery and gave it to him last year in France.

Let's get back to Heughan...

R247, they are on a first-name basis with an illusion.

Thank you, R248. It's true she's not a great beard (but who really is?), and the PR campaign is bad. But the focus of this thread is gay Sam, his closeting, his career, etc., which intersects with TB, but isn't about her.

Unfortunately SH may now think that all attention is good attention. Not so. Sure he may get the SM numbers from Shamzies, Shippers etc., and get adoring fans turning up (with their money) to conventions, but this is NOT the type of attention that he needs to really further his career. Cast directors and HW powerbrokers are the ones he needs to impress, and a trainwreck PR strategy can do just the opposite. Beard if he must (and in perennially homophobic HW it is difficult to escape) but he is doing it so badly! This year will be crucial for him- OL is unlikely to be an avenue to nominations and a springboard into mainstream roles, with his role in last year's S3 increasingly as support rather than lead, his Starlight movie has gone straight to DVD, and the release of his Spy movie has been delayed, which may indicate some issues (crossed fingers not). His bearding/PR antics increasingly reek of desperation, which cast directors and powerbrokers can sniff out a mile away. He can still turn this around by distancing himself from this awful PR strategy, and, as an earlier poster said, getting a good acting coach to further polish his craft. But it doesn't seem promising - I wouldn't put even a fake engagement past his incompetent PR 'advisers' - ironically, if he does get pushed down this path (please, please no) then we will really see him putting in a stellar acting performance as he strives to hide his discomfort. This is so sad and such a disservice to gay actors, both present and future, and particularly to himself. Please let me be wrong, and let him shine as we know he can. C'mon Sam!

Great post, R251.

Sam needs to distance himself from this train wreck:

[quote]"the photographer tagged her. She follows him. I am pretty sure she knew it was posted. She’s been photographed by this guy for years. One of the pics was from December 12 and has been posted there since… so if she didn’t know about it I’d be shocked."

WTF is that picture? Jesus, it looks cheap. Ffs they couldn't find a better beard??????????

A better beard? No, bacause she is such a nice and classy girl.

R254 Fuck sakeeee

Can we move on from slut-shaming the beard, please? Not saying that to defend her or the bearding scenario, but it's not the point of this discussion. We know her career is stalled and her judgment is maybe a little off and her IG is annoyngly narcissistic. That plus bad sexy photos pretty much describes the situation of a whole lot of would-be young actresses in HW. There's a reason why she took the bearding job and re-upped the contract recently. She's just doing a job, and we are taking note; this isn't a hate fest.

Perhaps if the beard spent more time improving her acting skills rather than seeming to be on almost constant holidays with a succession of men, including Sam, she might actually be able to land a decent acting job without having to resort to tacky Lolita style photos. Odd that her “BF” of two years couldn’t help out with a stylist etc. Or that her BFF Cait couldn’t call in a favour from one of her photographer friends!

TB is a product of HW. Child actors have a hard time surviving it.

Sooo many experts here.

For several threads we were plagued by the Larry troll. For the last few it was Mme. Shamzie. Now we seem to have a flock of shippers who are angry that Cait is engaged to her longtime bf Tony and who also hate MM. I guess these threads attract everyone because we say things they all like (and also things they don't like).

Please, tumblerinas, the focus here is gay Sam. TB is part of his scene but we're not here to tumblerize about her career, her boyfriends, her photos. We agree that she's not a great choice for a beard, but who takes on these kind of jobs, anyway?

Okay, does anyone know if Sam is for sure in LA? Any guesses on his style tonight? I'm hoping it's his more mature look.

R260 His stylist usually spills the beans, but I don't remember what her IG account was.

R260, sadly while Sam keeps bearding, we'll have to talk about his trashy beard. He has just liked one of MM headshots taken by the same photographer who took the tacky pics posted above, so I think that Sam will take her as his 'date' at some Oscar party tonight.

No need to defend a beard in a gay board about a closeted gay actor.

Oh, R262, believe me, I'm not defending her or her choices. And of course she'll come up in conversation. I just don't want this to become tumblr, where their posts make it sound like MM is the evil "other woman" (I guess she is, if you ship Sam and Cait). I don't think she's more trashy or immoral than anyone else who would take this job. It's a job. A weirdly and narcissistically good job (so many benefits for doing almost nothing) and a really bad one (who does this, and lives real life on the down-low for years at a time?). But that's the point, isn't it, that anything to do with LGBT and Hollywood ends up in this awkward place. It's about the system, not this specific thirsty young woman. Okay, talk away about her if it helps make sense of things, but please remember it's the system not the person.

The Gabaldon cultists who are finger-wagging that the beard's "a naughty girl" need to take their church lady shit elsewhere. What's really obscene is the beard defending her Bible thumping daddy, as if he's on some kind of military maneuver when he's just swaggering around Iraqi orphanages in civilian clothes waving an AR 15 assault rifle and grinning like a self-important prick in an NRA ad.

r264 and those before.

I really appreciate your posts. And I am sure, that I can believe you are here for our adorable gay Sam Heughan.

This thread really gets out of control. As somebody said before, the gays left this thread an age before.

A couple of things escalated in words and feelings here.

To make it clear: The disappionted and dispaired fans, who thought that Caitriona Balfe and Sam Heughan are a perfect couple and now realize that they are betrayed in their feelings. It is ok. They will survive that.

But. All the formerly living the dream of Sam Heughan and Caitriona Balfe being a couple in real forgot something:

This on screen love and sex only worked, because Sam and Caitriona could play and perform it, because Sam is into men. He could give everything, as she could give everything on screen to a woman.

When filming, and what we got from the BTS: There was never any situation, you've got the feeling, that he would ask her to fuck her after those scenes taken. Because this was not his game. He probably went out of a couple of scenes with an erected penis. But it does not matter. He could fuck her onscreen in S1 belivable. They both liked it (remember they filmed the scenes before audience was looking at them). They had fun. And thats it.

So. ...

R265, this has nothing to do with Sam and Cait not being a couple.

It's about an actor who was openly gay in the past -read R1, R2, R3, R4, R5,R6.........- and now, he is burying himself in the closet and using a trashy and unbelievable beard.

When Sam used to take Luke Neal to the parties. Two couples: Cait and her bf Tony; Sam and Luke:

R262 Yeah unfortunately that delayed like means that likely they’ll be some pics together tonight and maybe a corresponding article leading to some people newly discovering their relationship and heading over to her SM so he has to have some presence there to give it authenticity. They won’t know it took him days to acknowledge it.

Saddens me to say, but my gut tells me the beard is going to make a bigger, red carpet appearance with him tonight, instead of some random party shots. With season 4 and his upcoming romantic leading man movie role, they will be pushing the hetero romantic leading man image in a big way this year. Feel bad for him but he knew what he signed on for.

When Sam used to take Luke to the parties.

Burberry party NY April 2016:

Sam and Luke at TV Guide party, LA. April 2016:

Sam and Luke travelling together around the world. Spring 2016.

After this trip and these parties, MM name started to be dropped in the most important Outlander blogs.

Jennifer Allen and William Shatner appeared on scene.

MM started the innuendo in her SM.

R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7............R269 R270, R71...........This is why we're still here and continue posting in these threads.

Luke sat right next to Sam's seat -Sam was talking to Cait and her bf Tony- at Outlander premiere, NY April 2016 :

Agree that we are seeing the beginning of a higher level of bearding starting now and heading into summer and fall. After that, they'll re-evaluate. As for tonight, incoming ....

Sad/sweet to see the Sam/Luke photos again. I guess for a hot minute he thought he could sail that one under the Golden Gate Bridge. Hopefully someday he will again, and those young 'uns coming up now. The ones who won't ever come out because they were never in. GenZ, we love you.

I wonder what happened to Luke, they were cute together.

I think Sam might fake an engagement, I hope I'm wrong. But if he does that, he'd better look less constipated next to the beard than usual. He;s an actor and he can't act loved up with her to save his life. Balfe being kind of beard was much more believable.

r272 and before. Sorry. Could not explain it right. Sam is gay. Which I try to explain since '8 of this thread. What I tried to explain, that because he is gay, he is able to play as an actor intimate scenes with Balfe. Because he can play it, without anything before and after. They can stand the others body, they can interact very well. This was they showed in S1 of OL. And Sam Heughan could also do the rape scene with Tobias Menzies belivable.

R274. Yeah, the showmance worked pretty well for him, except she got tired of it considering she had a real-life boyfriend (now fiancé). Their denial interview would've been waaay less awkward though if everyone involved wasn't aware of the pink elephant in the room.

R275, I kind of get what you're saying. I do think their Will & Grace relationship probably helps with their "intimate" scenes. Certainly better than if he were putting moves on her bts that she didn't want. Which I'm sure he wasn't, since he's gay and not really into women. And hopefully because he's a decent guy in any case.

I also think, though, that people of all sexual orientations can play romantic or sexual scenes with anyone if they are good enough actors.

Save me from this obsession which is Sam Heughan. He's gay- Jesus anyone with eyes can see it. And no I'm not gay, I'm a woman in her late 40s. You can call me all the Outlander fan crazy names you want to - go ahead because yeah I am but I can also see a man making a bloody mess of his future by this pretence he puts on. May sound stupid but I find myself getting upset that he just can't be Sam. Sam should be happy with whomever he wants and if I'm wrong and it's a female, please think again about your choice- I obviously don't know the young lady other than the history you find on the internet, if you want to look but come on please Sam - just no. Hits home even more seeing these pictures with Luke - poor sod.

Related: More LGBT perspectives on "outing" and Lee Pace's double messages...

[quote]The Pushing Daisies star, promoting his upcoming Broadway role in Angels in America to W Magazine, said it was important for gay actors to play gay parts. However, he was "a bit flustered and surprised" when asked about how he would label himself, W reports

[quote]However, journalist Michelangelo Signorile — who literally wrote the book on outing, Queer in America — outlined exceptions to this rule in a previous article for The Advocate. If a person is a public figure and the information is relevant, it is permissible to report on a person's LGBT identity, he wrote. In fact, Signorile believes that the if media employs innuendo or omission, it is complicit in promoting homophobia.

[quote]Queer people can also be complicit in promoting stigma regarding LGBT identity. By calling a relevant question about his identity "intrusive," for example, Pace is conjuring an old Hollywood narrative that queer actors have a special right to "privacy" that is not afforded to their straight counterparts. In fact, such an argument is code for something darker.

[quote]"The impulse not to ‘go there’ when talking about closeted public figures is not about respecting privacy,” Signorile said. “It's about the mainstream media's discomfort, and, ultimately, homophobia, whether conscious or not, [as they are acting like] it's just the most horrible thing and wrong to talk about someone as gay."

Here's the article...

R274 I really hope your gut is wrong. He never looks happy with TB. A relationship with her is hard enough to believe let alone an engagement. Such a shame.

It’s not just a shame, it’s pathetic.

It is 1.30 am for me. Bedtime was long before.

One question: Is Sam in LA?

R283, no sightings that I know of. Time will tell. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

So r284. My personal opinion. May be I am wrong at 08.00 UTC/GMT. Nothing will happen. Sam just flew out to Amsterdam or another place in Europe to spend a weekend with his friend.

May be, I am wrong and we will have to face a completly other story. But when this scripted BS will arise, then I am the first calling it scripted BS.

I hope you are right, R285. But here with popcorn if you are not.

I wouldn't be surprised if TB complains that her ass and crotch shots were for Sam's eyes only. Leaked photos. Barbour and purse from Switzerland trip in the photo. So it will prove their love and further sell that Sam is a hetero. Or, he pissed her off, and this is payback to embarrass him by placing Barbour in the ass photo. Sam, seriously, give Luke a call.

r286. Sweetheart. Did I ever mentioned that I love you...

And by the way, before I am completly lost in grabbing r286 Popcorn. Our all beloved, one incest step away, source is as clueless as we are. What a pity, that were succsesfull ridding our troll française.

r286. Please deliver shit loads of Popcorn, Sam is in LA. He just posted on his IG. Yes.He is addicted about his goals.

UGH.. Twitter too

Graham McTavish replied "see you soon" so expect some party photos. Chasing the HW dream. If only that didn't (supposedly) mean being in the closet.

If he had any sense, Sam would leave the beard behind tonight and network as a talented actor rather then some carbon copy of what HW thinks appeals to a wider audience. With the beard in tow, he just comes across as another HW wannabe with trashy taste in women (are we seriously supposed to believe that if Sam was hetero that the beard is the best that he could do?).

R293. Yes, the thirsty young blond beard only adds to the impression we already get from the OL / Startz marketing - Sam is a sexy body with a pretty face that women want to slobber over. (Which they do, of course, which is its own issue.) But that can't last any more than it does for women, and he's pushing 40. Whatever the truth is, Cait comes across as more serious in her cultural and intellectual tastes. And she's been getting the nominations and awards.

[quote]are we seriously supposed to believe that if Sam was hetero that the beard is the best that he could do?

Exactly. It’s inconceivable.

So Sam flew all the way to LA and didn’t even have tickets for the main show? Wow! That really puts into perspective how low down the totem poll he really is. If tonight is all about networking for him, he really needs to ditch the beard. She’s as thick as a brick and is more likely to cause embarrassment rather then enhance his career. Looking back, I wonder if they toned down the bearding at the beginning of the year for fear that it might impact on MPC registrations. Apart from a small group of homophobic women who bizarrely worship the beard (why anyone would worship an unemployed actress who makes no discernible contribution to society is beyond me), most other female OL fans dislike the beard because of her shallowness, poor work ethic and trolling.

Sam comes from a bohemian, artistic family in leftwing, take no piss Scotland. As ambitious as he is for Hollywood roles, and as immature as he seems sometimes, the vapid, basic wannabe just doesn't fit. Someone more down to earth and funny would make sense, even if it weren't so obvious that he's into men anyway. And as discussed before, the idea that he would suddenly find love with this woman in April 2016 after meeting her at a birthday party in the fall of 2015, but the whole time he lives 5000 miles away? And is coming off his round-the-world trip with Luke? It isn't credible. Everything about this is "quick, who's available to be Sam's gf?" in the PR office and they've re-upped her at least twice since then for reasons that aren't clear except - who really is available for a continuing role like that?

A left wing hardworking stage actor from an artistic family dating a shallow unemployed actress from a bible thumping evangelical family? They say opposites attract but this is ludicrous! I agree with the earlier anon... Are we supposed to believe that this is the best that Sam, if hetero, could do? If it looks like bearding and is constantly shilled (including the odd beginning of this “relationship” when the beard’s name was dropped into all the key OL blogs) than it’s bearding. The longer that Sam is associated with the beard, the more damage he does to his reputation. She is dragging him down into the gutter.

For all our frustrated and unhappy commentary about Sam, I'll say this: he is hard-working, as R298 says. Between acting on OL, summer movie, his various business ventures like MPC and endorsement contracts, attending cons, networking in HW, and going to gym apparently a lot, and hiking and running too, he doesn't seem to stop moving.

He just tweeted at New Balance to make sure they saw his branded shirt. Hard-working, definitely, and big into marketing. I I like him, but it gets a tiresome. Is he trying to make the best of his five years of fame?

And the Best Actress Oscar goes to a woman who doesn't do the PR mill or focus on looking beautiful but rather focuses on the craft of acting. She's lifting up all the women nominees and talking about the road to power for women in HW. Which is not an Instagram account, marketing tie-ins, or sexy photos.

I am getting tired of his tireless self promotion.Cut back on the Adderal dude

Well he didn’t rate an invitation to the Oscars so I guess he needs to do something to get some attention. Expecting the tacky pap walk with the beard wearing something slutty (per her usual style). Sad to see that bearding is still happening in HW all the while they’re “praising” diversity at the Oscars. And agree that Sam needs to get himself a different PR team and adopt an approach that focusses on his acting. At the moment, he’s being marketed as a himbo (with the matching bimbo). Even his supposed BFF, Cait, is joking more and more about him being a dumb blond and muscle bound. The fact that he’s an award winning stage actor has been lost in the noise of the bearding. Even his old friends from those days seem to have disappeared since the bearding was ramped up. The beard seems to be his only “friend” apart from his gym buddies.

Comparing Sam to Frances Mcdormand??? Really?

A scan through his zillion google images shows he’s a hot AF make model and he knows it.

And I love the whole “Hollywood is a corrupt oppressive system” but “Sam needs to fix his whole PR strategy to be taken seriously by Hollywood” mindset

I think he was being compared negatively to Francis; as in she’s an actress, he’s a fame whore.

Yes obviously it was negatively. But the idea that he’s trying to be anything like her, or should, is silly.

R304 / R307. it was a reference to the article on McDormand upthread. She's unusual in her unwillingness to play the fame game. She has integrity. And she's as of tonight she's won two Oscars.

Of course it's a silly comparison. But he went to acting school and was in British the theatre world at one time. I understand that the studio markets him as the Scottish hunk, but do you really think he should play that game so very hard? Obviously he'll never be Frances McDormand, but you don't think he should focus a little harder on the actual acting? Both for his own integrity and also for long-term success when his looks pass him by?

As for the corrupt HW system versus his personal strategies: it's both. That's part of the #metoo conversations as well. The former only changes when individuals buck the system that agents and PR and studios are insisting is the only path. That goes for speaking up about sexual abuse and also for the HW closet.

R303 unless you're Meryl-level you don't usually get the Oscar ticket unless you're up for an award. The key is which party you get to go to - Vanity Fair, Elton John, etc. He went to VF last year (without the beard; he took her to the Piaget pre-party the night before).

Obviously he'll never be Frances McDormand, but you don't think he should focus a little harder on the actual acting? Both for his own integrity and also for long-term success when his looks pass him by?

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I don’t know. Do you really make much money in theater? Will British theater reject him if he tries to return after OL?

The first season of OL was the only real chance to win acting awards, when his character was victimized. The rest of the series is him being a hero and loving Claire, not a lot of fodder there of the kind awards voters will be into.

Should he be trying hard to find intense dramatic roles to prove something? From a purely business perspective, maximizing his return in his OL gig thru roles that play on that, coupled w his seemingly very successful product endorsements, makes sense.

R310. I guess that's the 5 million dollar question. Presumably someone goes into acting for something more than money, or even fame. At least at first. What does his life and specifically his work mean to him? Is it only a way to support himself, and even to get rich? I'm aware he toiled at the low end of the scene for many years, so this is his big moment. What does he hope to gain is the question. More opportunity for better roles, or as much money as he can while the chance is there? And at what cost to his sense of who he is - especially as a gay man, but in other respects as well? Not being snarky, just reflecting on the moment that he seems to be in and the choices he's making.

It's on. Sam's stylist MrMontyJackson has posted a story on IG showing Sam and TB getting ready for the party. From a quick glimpse he looks pretty good in black tie and I have to say she looks a lot better and less trashy than last year. I mean, I'm sorry for the charade but from the one glimpse so far it's a better illusion, at least for tonight.

Presumably someone goes into acting for something more than money, or even fame. At least at first.

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I think that’s true of many people, actors or no. And then you get into middle age and you realize you are paying for your own retirement. And you want to do good things in life, but you also realize you’re paying your way through it. And if you werent born with a silver spoon and you’ve been through debt and late payments and years of thinking you’ll never crawl out of the financial hole that seems to engulf nearly everyone in the modern age, financial security seems like a reasonable goal.

R313. I hear that. Obviously many, okay most, people make compromises. I think the question being asked on all these threads is whether pretending not to be gay, to the point of hiring a beard, isn't too big a compromise in terms of integrity, in this age of LGBT progress. Along with the other related questions of marketing/branding/selling oneself at the expense of the craft. Not saying there aren't real choices, but at the end of life you really can't take that stuff with you. And where the Hollywood system comes in is draping a whole lot of dreams over a corrupt system. The #metoo movement has exposed a bit of that but not all. I get that he's taking his chance. There's a cost, is all. The closet takes a toll as many will testify.

R312 Yes, she looks better. She still has to do her roots...Sam is gorgeous.

Looks a bit jetlagged

Well said 314. I think the bearding and the career strategy are separate issues. He’s definitely a gorgeous man, with a gorgeous physique. There are out actors in HW, but not necessarily in the hunky heartthrob space that OL has put him into. I totally hear the argument made through these threads that gay men can be hunky heartthrobs too (and let’s face it Sam’s not the first!), but I haven’t seen any credible examples of others in his situation who are out. Which is why I think these threads end up advocating that he abandon his hunky personae for more “serious” acting, bc that would be more conducive to him being out.

To be honest, Sam was close to giving up acting before Outlander. Let's be fair, he was struggling gay actor, he was broke. Outlander is the chance of his life, he knows it. The show opened the door to the fandom (crazy fandom), but still a fandom. And he got MPC, Barbour etc. I don't like gay actors in the closet, but it is what it is. It's hard for a 38 yo to make a career, but it happened to Bryan Cranston. Maybe it will happen to Sam, but if he only has OL in his resume I don't think he will be that sad. Not every actor can be Gary Oldman, some actors are Sam Heughan.

I think this tweet sums it up:

Just HOW MANY people have her books affected?!?! It’s positively changed the whole country! And my life. My friends. My world. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Thank you Gabs.xx

The books, and even more so the series, have had a positive impact for many people in Scotland. Sam has played a huge role in that. He’s the heart of the show. Maybe the series would have been just as successful with someone else, but maybe not.

I read that TB was standing in line alone(again) for the Vanity Fair party. Quit the bearding shit or put some effort into it Sam. This is all getting too ridiculous. Still not too late to show the world some integrity, you make a difference for so many people.

*could make a difference

Why is Sam always looking high/drunk when with the beard? He looks comfortable on red carpets by himself or with Cait. I remember the GG 2016, they looked great together, composed, at peace. Then the beard happened.

He looks very tired and unhappy, just like at the BAFTA's where TB was at too.... I think he needs a dram or two or three etc. before he can be near her

r323 it’s true he looks ill, probably just major jet lag. He can light up a RC alone or with CB, but MM seems to drain his energy.

And to add something. I do not like his actual look. He looks, phhh... average, replacable. So no one you will meet on the street and give him a second look. May be for his hight. He looks like the average not ugly guy. And there are tons of them nowadays strolling the streets.

r325 and tons of them in Hollywood, with fuller resumes, better PR and more even ability, all going for the few roles available to a 40-odd romantic/action lead role. As for the hair, bit poofy, it’s not like he needs the height. Looks great in the suit though

Caitriona Balfe knows how to pose for an actual photo. That's why Sam looks better with her. He gave him some advice during their first photoshoot years ago. He didn't know much about posing, red carpets etc.

He’s giving me a Joel McHale vibe with that look.

Just another actor in a very crowded field! Is it just me or does Sam’s jacket look too small? And what’s with the tacky paid article in JJ shilling the beard? No one, literally no one, was interested in seeing or photographing the beard on the red carpet (not even Sam based on the footage that’s emerged).

I hate those little tux jackets,they are not flattering on anyone. TB looks beyond sad,she couldn't even rally an in love happy face. Sam looks drained and couldn't even rally his Bond Zoolander look. I feel sorry for these sad, phony, stuck in a closet people.They both need to "Get Out" of this sad situation.

R329 a link/url to the article please?

R330 agree, want to see Sam happy with his boy again instead of this charade

Is it just me or does Sam’s jacket look too small?

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It’s those big pecs

Sam really want to get to HW. Too bad nobody know who the fuck he is. He arrived in the last minute with the Z list actors

[R331]

He looked ill, tired and fire his hair lady. He made it clear he was only in LA for one day and is going back to Scotland. Looks like any free hours he had were spent hiking and shilling New Balance. He paid no attention to her in line or on the carpet. JJ had to fabricate an excuse for not walking the carpet together and tried to say they got ready together. That is a laugh. In the same room after already dressed does not make that so. She was so out of place, can't pose properly and couldn't even stand in the center of the circle. He got her entrance to the party, last on the red carpet, then phoned it in. This is taking a toll on him. Hopefully she gets a job so he can get some PR breathing room again. What a huge waste of money that could have been better spent on honing her craft.

R335 Spot on.

Why has the beard copied Cait’s hairstyle from the VF party last year? That’s really creepy! And could someone please get Sam another stylist? His suit was too small (compare Sam’s bland look to Armie H’s fabulous standout suit) and his hair was reminiscent of Christopher Walkens again. Sam looks like he’s gone through the HW processing machine. He used to be noticeable. With the beard in tow, he’s become laughable. Which moron put together such a crap PR strategy?

It's far from over. In two weeks, on 18th, there's OL screening and QA for the Emmys with Sam, Cait, writers, producers etc. Guess where - LA, so more pap walks.

R337 I noticed the hair. Absolute copy of Cait's hair from last year. The beard is trying to look like Cait. Why though? Sam's stylist is shit.

Looking at those pics, damn he got old :( Come on, Sam, cut the crap. Be who you really are.

I thought Sam looked great.

I feel bad for MM as she looks very uncomfortable in her poses. If she is going to keep doing this she needs to hire someone to teach her how to stand for the camera. It has to be very hard to be in the same profession as the person you are with and they are getting all of the attention and you are getting none and have to stand in the background. I thought she looked very unhappy this time around.

Whether Sam is gay or not, remember that the more you push that he is the more you will get pushed back.

A gay person should Never ever have to come out but just be able to live their their life the way they want and have privacy. Straight people don't come out so why should anyone else have to?

The beard is never going to look like Cait or be nominated for any major awards. She’s just looking for a husband with money. Sam is not going to score any decent roles or awards if he keep sticking with this shitty PR strategy. What made him unique and stand out in the crowd has been lost. Losing the beard would be a good start. She’s a milestone around his neck. He should also try to head back the stage.

That short video says it all, really

Our whole purpose was to get the two of them looking marginally together at an event so we could say "girlfriend" on JJ. That was it. Job done for Lionsgate.

Ex shippers are smelling the shit as well.

"I’m tired of the silly games, too. He loses the Smashine spark when C isn’t around, and just blends into the crowd of handsome actors that are ubiquitous in Hollywood. They’ve been at this for two years now, and is he any more famous, or popular than he was? I don’t think he is.

The Universe has this weird way of rewarding people for being true to themselves with a glow of happiness, and a support system of quality (over quantity) of people. He’s lost that glow, and lost many of his fans. Right now, we’re talking about him, but in a way that laments all the mistakes he’s making. I don’t know who to blame for this, because S is participating and therefore must be okay letting other, supposedly smarter people decide his PR strategy for him."

Thank you for the info R338 I wonder if they'll announce s5 or the end of the show. It would be a good moment for that.

how do you know he's lost fans? how do you know he hasn't gained10x's more than what he lost.

and I find that those that Say they are gone, really aren't and just want you to think they are.

His PR works with stats and such. If he keeps doing the bearding, it means it works for him. Only here on DL and some small part of the fandom on Tumblr actually care about the narrative. Most OL fans don't dwell on this circus so I doubt he's losing fans. He needs to find more work opportunities, hence the VF party.

R334 thank you. Wow the 'happy couple"so not together. What a show. R343 thank you too. Indeed, seems right what I read about them not standing in line together(again). Oh well he liked her IG pics so it must be true love

R334. Yes more on instagram. Looks like the two of them look very awkward standing together. Then the PR person comes to get Sam and he walks off leaving MM to look dazed and confused. Clearly there for PR only, why else say, he wanted to make it clear he was there for" one day and one day only", before heading back to Scotland to continue shooting for season 4"! Got give her credit though, her gown is exquisite.

My "gut" may have been right about them making a red carpet appearance, but damn, this is still some pretty light bearding. I honestly thought they were going to kick it up a notch with some "we're a couple" shots but he's clearly set limits to what he will agree to.

R351 Nothing about it said "real". Maybe we'll get pics together from the actual party. I doubt they paid 80k dollars for tickets only to walk the carpet.

The moment I said it and the beard posts a pic of them together on TW. Wow

r353. I didnt think it could get worse. Boah. This the ultimate door-opener for Sam for HW! What a BS piece.

r353 just saw that and I'm trying to figure out what look she was going for because it seems a little awkward

Maybe his PR told him to try harder at the party itself as they had looked so fake as they went in, and he was able to endorse a product and a charity at the same time. We may well have quite a bit more playing up to the cameras with the really truly boyfriend bit (gag) during the OL events of 18 March. Poor guy - but he signed on, and he still could really believe that this is going to help open those stubborn HW doors to roles and acknowledgement. Desperate but his choice.

I wonder who drove the decision for him to fly out - him, her, or both. Obviously he would want to be there in general, but he probably had planned some endorsement party/ies over the weekend but couldn't get to those due to the snow - so was the single late-night VF appearance worth it flying 10,000 miles within 3 days? (in business or first, but still). Okay, he pushes the New Balance shirt for endorsement money. He gets more photos to add to his stock, red carpet/tux, VF at the Oscars, nice. He maybe networks a little with Sony or LG and others. He gets his hetero PR in Just Jared in case anyone raises the gay question again and chooses to google "Sam Heughan girlfriend." Still doesn't mention her name; he lets her and the paid gossip sites post any cutsey photos of them together, except for just one in Hungary iirc. (He wants the hetero image out there, and he wants his solo red carpet photo for the album. His own version of personal line/integrity?) Anyway. Not bad for 1+ days on the ground. He's the energizer bunny.

As for her - this event was probably front and center in the new contract, so that probably sealed the deal - he's going to fly out for a few hours come hell or high water or beast from the east. For TB, it was all winning. She gets to go to a prestigious Oscar party, she gets exposure that she's getting nowhere else. Sure, they were last in line, but that's way better than staying home. I give her credit for the gown, the look, and even the photo she posted on twitter which is awful but most fans will see as cutesy and good-causey. With her trademark finger in her mouth sexy-kittenish thing (??). A more casual look for social media than posting her own red carpet photo on her own timeline. She gets lots of clicks. She's been jonesing for this one. Hier soir, indeed.

Final verdict - both. She is lapping this up, but this is driven by his choices.

Any bets on a pap photo or is this it? Maybe that's coming in a couple of weeks.

Also, should we expect an Enty item (I know, take him with a big rock of salt, and he posts plenty of BS, but he's right more often than a stopped clock. Especially the items that recur, and he loves to post about his favorite closeted foreign cable actor).

And then the cycle will be over until the the next visit later this month, right?

She must be up for a porn role. He has hit a new low. Now his two beards are duking it over Guinness. Crossed eyes and finger in mouth. 😂😂😂

Too bad the storm made it look like Sam wasn’t going to make it at all and then TB outed herself as being in LA when she was supposedly just in Scotland having travelled with him from NY. Otherwise their carefully curated posts, likes, etc. would have made it look like they’ve been traveling together for weeks and ended up in LA. Oops. Also makes it really, really hard to argue that she actually went to Scotland. Go for a couple of days while he's working just to meet up w/him in LA a few days later? Maybe we’ll get it a bit heavier on this end to make up for the traveling together failure proving once again they really aren’t spending any actual time together.

R358 she looks extremely dumb in the photo, I still can't wrap my mind around this whole charade. I honestly believed Sam was a nice guy, a talented actor. Show a little bit of integrity Sam....Stand with pride.

r357 You are absolutely right about the solo red carpet shot. He has just added it to his Facebook page. So the long trip and tolerating her presence has been worth it. Good analysis!

R361

HAHAHAHA............... I love how MM posts pics of her and Sam and then Sam goes comes and posts a picture of just himself on all of his social media.

What an embarrassment, Sam...........lol

And now someone is buying likes for Sam’s “solo” IG post. 100,000 likes in the past 2 hours. And Cree is mocking the Guinness picture while Cait ignored the original poster and started to banter with Sam over rugby instead.

[quote]The moment I said it and the beard posts a pic of them together on TW. Wow

In an hour, she has posted an IG story, a TW pic and a IG pic.

Sam is barely touching the beard. Check out his cupping hand.

Haha! I wondering if anyone else would notice how cupped his hand is to avoid making too much contact. Hilarious!

Yikes. “Cupping” comments brought to you by people who think Sam and Cait have a secret baby together. Is any other fandom this crazy ?

Nope - by people who think he's bearding.

R367, I'm the OP and R365.

Sam is gay and bearding and Cait is really dating Tony McGill.

Anyone who's not blind can see that.

Sam has love eyes for the makeup guy Monty,looks natural. He doesn't even look like he likes TB. Am I right? Not the first makeup guy shown the Sam love, check Barbour shoot.

Not a good idea to style Sam’s hair for the VF party like Ryan Seacrest! He needs to grow it again and only let the cute Barbour stylist do his hair (the best that it’s ever looked). And he needs to ditch the dumb blond beard. Last night, there was a smorgasbord of beautiful people and Sam was spending time with a talentless D-lister who could not get into any HW parties on her own merits.

Using his teenage nephew to sell the bearding too. The desperation is real. The beard will go back into oblivion until next PR scam. Still no job other than paid escort and selling makeup. For all the money wasted on styling and tickets, she should take acting classes. His stylist had that sick to his stomach look on his face again after having to style her.

Does anyone believe Heughan would have anything but revulsion for the beard’s Trumper-Thumper family? Daddy and his evangelical cronies swarm into war-torn countries like cockroaches giving destitute people food and other basic needs and then handing them Bibles, taking advantage of people’s deprivations to advance their agenda: converting Muslims to Christianity. It's not about respectfully helping people address their social and economic challenges; it's about racist white guys "civilizing” people of color. In the midst of all the horror, a bunch of arrogant, paternalistic good ol' boys carousing around Iraq with assault rifles and putting notches in their belts so they can get brownie points from Jesus, appear heroic to their congregations and collect contributions from the NRA.

Wonder how much TB gets for a night's work? Isn't there a word for that?

You might think this article was from ten years ago, but it appeared a couple of months ago...

Last year, she got a $5,000 watch for attending the Piaget party.

The rumor is this year, Piaget has dropped Sam.

Everything about the beard - her family and what she’s doing in HW right now - is symbolic of “praying the gay away.”

R376 Well if she's still around he might get dropped by a few more sponsors. TB is the definition of trashy.

LOL!

Related: Lee Pace comes out a little more on Twitter after his controversial W interview and makes us proud...

[quote]Almost immediately after the interview ran, though, critics pointed out he had taken some pretty high-profile LGBT roles in Showtime’s A Soldier’s Girl, the recent revival of The Normal Heart, the new staging of Angels, and AMC’s Halt and Catch Fire as bisexual Joe McMillan.

[quote]The W interview sparked quite a debate, with some arguing actors have a right to privacy and others insisting taking high-profile queer roles like Angels’ Joe Pitt and Heart’s Bruce Niles demand a little honesty.

[quote]Perhaps that gave him a chance to reconsider his perspective: On Twitter, Pace wrote, “In a recent phone interview, I was asked questions that I wasn’t expecting and found myself momentarily at a loss for the right words. My privacy is important to me, so I protect it. When interviewed by the media, I keep the focus on my work."

[quote]"As a member of the queer community," he added, "I understand the importance of living openly, being counted, and happily owning who I am. That’s how I’ve always lived my life… just as it’s been important to me to portray queer characters with dignity for my entire career.”

IF MM is a beard then you know that Sam is still friends with her. You don't talk about any of his male friends this way so why do you talk about MM this way? I don't understand this constant need to degrade her. are you jealous of her?

I’m beginning to wonder if Sam is being paid to escort the beard rather then visa versus especially after that awful Guinness photo (does the beard actually think that this type of pose somehow makes her more appealing?). Sam does not get anything out of it except significantly more speculation about his sexuality (because no one in their right mind believes that if straight, Sam couldn’t do so much better!) or questions about his taste and judgement. That’s a long way to fly to network in the company of someone who just make you look like another has been frat boy. Not sure that my eyeballs will recover from the Guinness shot though I enjoyed Cait’s shade!

Shamzie Troll alert at R381.

The truth is..... she degrades herself:

Why in the world would anyone be jealous of her? The only job she's had in two years is beard. How's that look on a CV? Are they friends? Really? He always looks constipated when near her. Is that how you react to friends you like hanging with?

You only see what others want you to see. You have no idea what they are like when they are together without someone taking pictures of them. he has spent some time with her and it would be a little hard to do that without being friends of some sort. The whole point though is why people her must consistently degrade her like they are a bunch of teenagers on tumblr.

people wonder why kids are so mean to other kids on SM. just look at the adults. this is where they learn it.

What she has presented via sm is a vapid, self-absorbed, idle person who seems to enjoy ridiculing other people. What is there to admire? The fact that they appear together is only hurting his reputation. And there’s not much of that left.

R385, if you have information to the contrary, share it or direct your comments to specific individuals. This isn't a blog. If you're just wagging your twatty finger at the big, bad homosexuals, kindly fuck off.

Yeah, they want us to see a relationship, so at bare minimum they should show us two people who look like they're into each other. They're actors and they can't even act like they're genuine friends. What's the point of a beard if you always look like you can't wait for it to end.

Both photos that the beard posted are not great shots of her (difficult with the cross-eyes and short neck I suppose) but I suspect that they were the only ones that she had with Sam. He didn’t look enamoured of her in either (compared to his bearding with Cait) but I guessed it pushed the “together” narrative. Why anyone would want to be associated with such a shallow bimbo is beyond me but there’s no accounting for taste. I wish though that some of Sam’s old friends would point out to him how ridiculous he now looks. Unfortunately, he no longer seems to associate with any of them (no fun group holidays with the beard in tow etc).

For a couple of years Sam acted like he loved Cait for "fan" service. Many pictures of him kissing her cheek and "acting" flirty with her. He sold that relationship to a lot of woman. He just can not seem to sell this one. He was selling the Outlander product, more self interest.perhaps. They can't even act like loving models that are friends. Off again.,yet to see them on.

R361. R357 here. Thanks. You will note I posted my prediction about his solo photo posting before he actually did so. Not hard to predict once you understand his motives, and hers, within the context of a contracted, not real-life, relationship. Their contract seems to include a clause that she won't tag him in her photos. He's only ever posted one with her. He's never said her name. But he's very into posting his red carpet / fashion / YSL / Mont Blanc watch photos and tagging them (and never her). It would seem odd until you realize all the contracts and professional objectives in play.

With speculation about Sam and Cait largely irrelevant due to her engagement, why the need for bearding? So that people don’t start wondering why Cait’s fiancé didn’t mind Sam and Cait flirting etc because he knows that Sam is gay? Couldn’t Sam go it alone and be a “bachelor about town” for a while? Are we supposed to believe that he actually enjoys the company of the beard (having seen her interviewed once, let’s just say that she’s not very bright or well read)?

Can this pompadour/combover phase pullleeeeease end?

R392. The need for bearding had nothing to do with the Sam/Cait rumors. That was a diversion. If anything, that SamCait speculation was an asset for Sam's PR team (and for the show) in the early days. The presenting issue is that discussion and speculation about Sam being gay has existed since the very day his casting was announced. That's always been the issue for him and his PR people.

At first, it was handled lightly. He was linked to Cait and various other women. Then they ramped up the bearding in 2016 with a real contract after his world tour with +1 Luke Neal led to the gay rumors surging again, and also Cait had pushed for a denial that SamCait was a thing. That's about also when he was achieving peak fame and thinking about how to leverage it in HW and business. Enter MM in April of 2016 or so. They seem to have re-upped the contract a year later, let it lapse in the fall of 2017, and recently signed her up again. Aka, on-again, off-again as MarieClaire would have it.

It would be great if he could be a "bachelor" for a time. That's pretty much what he was in late fall and through the holidays. We call that the glass closet - keeping private life private, but not actually pretending to be hetero. But it seems Cait's engagement (cue the gay rumors again) plus the awards season / summer premiere has called the beard back to action. He seems to think he has to do this to get the success he wants. As someone up-thread points out - even though we know that gay actors can play dashing romantic leads (they have for a long time) - very few (any?) do so outside the closet. Hollywood just hasn't allowed it. Thus Heughan, who has been very definitely marketed as the Scottish Hunk who makes women drool, and not as a complex character actor, feels he must be Hetero Heughan in his public persona.

He seems to put some limits on it - she doesn't tag him in sm, he doesn't talk about her and almost never posts photos of her - he lets the gossip sites and the beard (and Cait) do that. A certain kind of deniability? Or his own version of personal integrity? We don't know. It's a kind of medium bearding, I guess.

We have no idea if he enjoys her company or not. It doesn't really matter, does it? It's a contracted relationship. They spend time together as co-workers, in a way, or rather, he's the employer and she's the employee, both doing an acting job. They go to fun events together as part of the job. Maybe they get along fine on that level. I mean, I would hope so. I suspect what we're really seeing on his part is a bit of self-disgust or feeling uncomfortable that he's actually doing this charade. There was a time, after all, when he was living life out of the closet. For her, it's got to be a weird job. On the one hand, very pleasant - nice meals, fun times, prestigious parties, swag bags, great travel opportunities. On the other hand (and this is what you see in some of the disdainful commentary here and elsewhere), it's not exactly a high-prestige job. There's a taint to it. A beard's real life is lived on the down-low. It's somewhere between acting and selling your life for a price. All of that could make them both appear uncomfortable.

I suspect that we see him flirting with Balfe, his psychology is totally different. They seem have a relaxed Will & Grace thing going on, most of the time. They are actual colleagues and seem to have an actual relationship as pals who have been through the same sudden rise to (niche) fame. Although, again, who really knows.

R 394 Really good post, very comprehensive. I think he was able to be so lovey dovey with Balfe because it’s a continuation of the character he’s playing with his scene partner, and comfortable together. That’s so different from actually bearding emotionally I ‘m sure. It’s his personal self respect on the line and I would think he’s uncomfortable about it morally, doesn’t want to make it anymore undignified than it has to be.

Now even Cait is publicly praising the beard! How much are Cait and Sam being paid? Apparently the beard is amazing (not quite sure why given her lack of class, intellect and talent) and very dear to Cait (except all those times she joked about dumb blondes and ignored the beard on SM!).

The original beard Balfe is now on twitter defending the current beard and calling her an amazing woman. This is getting to be twilight zone entertainment. Feminist Balfe holding up crotch shot dumb beard bringing Sam into the gutter with her. Is keeping Sam in the closet really worth all of this? I guess so because it makes her look the liar too. What really is confusing is there is no doubt in my mind her fiance TM is gay. Not hard to figure out. Wonder who the real SO's of both of them are. My money is on Luke Neal. He posted that ode to his soulmate whom comes and goes in his life right after they got back from promo. Sam even gave him a little loving ribbing over it, then Luke went MIA. He also touted the necessity of staying in the closet for Hollywood fame on one of his podcasts. It's obvious he wants to see Sam succeed so they are all selling their souls.

r397. I get the gay vibe too from TMcG. So is she engaged? To him? To someone else? Or using a fake ring to divert unwanted attention away from her private life or spectulation of SamCait from shippers? And where is Luke now, do we need to contact MisPer?

The bearding just became even less believable thanks to Cait’s latest intervention! Why is it that the beard is being pushed on fans in such a heavy handed way?

Tony is not gay just a nerdy emo hipster but Sam is definitely gay. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda and is not posting the truth. That spy movie is very important to Lionsgate and that's why the beardng has become suddenly so heavy handed. I thintoo that the new contract has stipulations that the beard get some level of public support from those in Sam's circle if not from himself. She needs postive comments and a solid larger following to, raise her profile, get scripts, auditions and become a legitimate, sought after social influencer

Still nothing significant from Sam, he’s letting others do the heavy ‘relationship’ lifting. Again. To date he’s just posted a solo RC pic of himself on SM. Cait’s white knight charging in is not damage control, it’s having the opposite effect. The contract might have been extended to cover the Spy movie in the summer and he needs the inner circle to embrace her in a way he can’t bring himself to do. All the while the side show is becoming the main show and OL/Spy/talent sliding slowly away into obscurity, decreasing his chances in HW, this level of nonsense is ruining his image. Has Piaget already dropped him?

I think Sam hoped he wouldn’t be able to fly out for the parties in HW. Maybe he hoped he had dodged a bullet but I’d lazy odds that the beard through a fit about not being able to go without him and guilted him into it. Also, I disagree about her dress. It looked off the rack to me. Nothing special. She was lost in a crowd of dazzling women looking like she was at a high school dance.

Sorry. Lay odds.

Reminds me of the movie, "Get Out." Sam has gone to the sunken place.

Cait, what the hell are you doing???? Ugly mess.....

r376. Concerning the Piaget deal. You are probably right. Have a look on their HP. A lot of celebrities, no Sam. So now he has to praise the Mont Blanc watches. MB started to build and promote watches besides their legendary fountain pens two decades ago and promoted it massive in the german speaking and French market with a lot of events. I know that, because there actor i was working for and all his peer group were involved. So from Piaget to MB is downsizing.

Next thing, concerning the VF Party. He had to be there desperatly, because his PR bought him the RC photo op. He got one of the economy class ops, therefore he was on the very late slot at the end of the live streaming. Only JJ bought his pic from Getty. I think they dont skipped the VF party to switch over to the JK one, because it was better there. I think, his PR only booked the RC pic for him and not the access to the VF party for the told 40.000 a place at a table.

He has reached his peak of fame probably after the end of S1, were he really delivered his best performance, even If it was questionable by the given script from Gabaldon. But to be honest, his acting during the last episodes of S1 was remarkable.

After that point every thing went down. His looks, his performance and his credibility. May be he just lacks of good advice and trusts the wrong people.

On the other Hand, meeting John Valbonesi, who looks like a grounded guy for me, MPC will be his life insurance and life time pension he can live with very comfortable for the rest of his live. Also given, that he made 3 millions netto from OL plus the Barbour endorsement, the free Audi and some other gadgets he gets delivered for free while on OL. He knows now to live on small income, so he will never be poor.

Next thing, and now I am walking on thin ice: His father died from leucomia, his brother had testicle dancer (hope i got it right). He himself has obviously the genetical coursed Marfan-Syndrom. Google it.

As I said, thin ice I am walking on, but he shows all the symptons of it. The tall body, the long, over flexible, fingers, toes and ankles, this very thin legs, his, now overshown from this overtrained pecs, funnell breast. On the long time, he is not the great winner in the genetic lottery, when it comes to ageing. I think, he is aware of it.

And, one last thing: I am sure OL is done after S4. More hints for that: CB and Sam are following their own agenda since the S3 Premiere. The S3 DVD is already sold for the half of the prize it was announced for the preorders, before delivery even started. They called him back to duty the day before GG. He only flew to LA for the VF party, where he was literally killed on the drawbridge with his escort before he reached the inside of the castle. He was not welcome at the HW court, nor did he reach Artus' round table.

The studio might be part of "encouraging" SH to do the bearding, but this beard contract isn't between Lionsgate and MM, it's between SH and MM. The other cast members have no contractual obligations to her. That said, between NDAs and the usual protective code, the other cast members are holding his secret. There's a fair bit of joking around though, isn't there? Cree, McTavish, Balfe, all of them.

As for Balfe. She's now been the one to post several photos - the birthday photo, and now this one, to the wider OL fan base. I guess we don't know if this is a personal favor to him (doing his heavy lifting that he doesn't want to do, feels he can't do?) or something more passive-aggressive in the case of this latest one. She seems to veer between close friendship and passive-aggressiveness with him, including with the teasing about him being a dumb blond and the dresses he wants to wear.

The strong push to deny the SamCait relationship seems to have come from her, at least in part. And has led to several very awkward Q&A interviews, tonally. Not just the big denial interview, but the one last summer when they basically made fun of shipper fans for thinking they're together. They can't just say it straightforwardly and with humor and a light touch -- it always gets weird when they talk about it. Why? Because of Sam's pink elephant issue. They don't want people to look too closely. They all have this easy relationship and they hit this issue and bam, they all get awkward around it.

So I wonder if her reposting the photo (but going on about rugby) is more of that passive-aggressive weirdness. The shippers are still going at it, despite her (finally) very public engagement reveal at the Golden Globes and in People, her own stupid pap walk with McGill in Ireland, her shout-out to her fiance at the Irish awards. Maybe she's trying to say - "Hey. People. Look at Sam and this blond chick. For fuck's sake he is not with me. Tony is with me. Sam is not at my apartment cooking pancakes. That is not his car parked outside my house. I am creeped out that you think you know where I live. This is all creepy. I am my own person and award-winning actor (unlike him by the way) and while I adore my BFF Sam I do not want to be linked with him forever as arm candy to the dude you guys slobber over. (But you know, don't look too closely at the blond chick either because that whole thing is just weird. And we all support gay rights and feminism too despite all these illusions.)"

And yeah, McGill isn't gay. He's a London hipster. The brunching / conversational / comfortable with her gay friends type. He makes sense for her.

Last thing,Heughan was wearing a Mont Blanc watch on Sunday - he thanked and tagged them in one of his sm posts, along with YSL for the suit. So I guess Piaget is done but he got Mont Blanc instead.

For all that Sam is gay and she knows it’s bearding only, Cait sometimes sparks as a jealous territorial bitch! It’s no wonder the shippers ship

Just a note about semantics - notice that MM posts photos of her and SH but doesn't tag him. CB reposts the photo, jokes about rugby. And then goes on twitter today defending "an amazing woman" who is "dear to me" - actually kind classy of her to say, and I get that she would say it whether true or not, because Balfe no doubt understands the abuse that women get on twitter especially and all social media. She can be sweet and she can be mean, but I believe she's a feminist above all and would call that out. But doesn't say her name. Sam literally never says her name - he never even mentions her existence, leaves that to Balfe! The point is though, no one ever says straightforwardly is "Sam and Mackenzie are a couple." Paid promotional media says it (MarieClaire, JustJared), but the people, the actual people involved never say it. Weird for Balfe because she wants everyone to stop shipping, but she can't actually say that Sam is gay, and the rules around what can be said about the beard relationship are convoluted.That's like Level 7 awkward. And that's the closet, folks. Warping everyone involved.

Balfe is engaged. Isn't that enough for people to stop shipping? Sam doesn't acknowledge the beard. Why does Cait put her foot in Sam's business? I don't understand their relationship. Sam doesn't speak or tweet about Tony.

Balfe's been competing with Heughan like a sibling all along. She began showing her true colors when she started winning awards and the power balance shifted. She stopped kissing his ass and started distancing herself. She clearly doesn't respect him. At this point, it's more like pity.

Couldn’t it be in Ssm’s contract with STARZ to re-enter the closet? Therefore the bearding with this particular person, who also has ties to STARZ makes more sense.

Balfe can't stand Sam's more popular than her. And she does shit like that. She has two insignificant awards, but Sam is the adored one. If she was indeed his friend, she would've advised him to come out, not defend the beard. I hope the show gets cancelled. There's something wrong with these people.

[quote]Weird for Balfe because she wants everyone to stop shipping, but she can't actually say that Sam is gay, and the rules around what can be said about the beard relationship are convoluted.That's like Level 7 awkward. And that's the closet, folks. Warping everyone involved.

Well said, R409.

so many armchair psychologists..,..... lol

Ok. Correction. McGill is a gay hipster. Actually he is Scottish, not from London. Look at his music industry video and photos with friends where he is ten times happier looking than in ones with Balfe. Maybe he is more into Sam than Cait.

These people are deranged and it’s not surprising Catriona told them to F off her timeline.

its-moopoint.tumblr.com

The fan base is a bit nuts but did love the Barbie doll post. Hystercial!

The fandom is pissed. Really pissed. About Shatner bullying, the gaslighting of the SamCait fauxmance, the general fuckery. Cait opened the door to them with her BFF Mauzy tweet. These women know they’re not friends, in no universe do they have anything in common, so they called BS. Cait should’ve left the original cow tweet alone. She defended Mauzy and not her #bestfansever. She’s made Sam look more gay and worse she’s made him look spineless too. He didn’t touch her private engagement, she should have followed that example

So just a General call for all our diligent new posters here in the last 48. hours. As someone said on tumblr monday morning: DL is lit like a Christmas tree today.

But, even If we, the long time inhabitants of this thread, have gained lots of new posters here: Plesse be so kind and respect this place, at what it is and for which purpose it exists. A place for gay gossip and a safe place for LGBTQ issues.

All people are welcome from any gender and any sexual orientation. But we will not tolerate disappointed former Samcait, Shamzie or whatever addicted fans, If the only reason they are here is to find a place where they can express their Frustration about their destroyed dreams. Please be so kind and discuss those issues where it belongs to. Use your tumblr, IG, TW and FB accounts for that.

Here, we need to come back to our issue. Gay Sam Heughan. Thanks guys.

in response to the post about the way MM looked.

I thought she looked really nice. I thought her dress was a good choice. I'll bet anything that she felt really pretty and was excited to be there among everyone else. so what if a major designer didn't give her a dress and she had to get one on her own. I don't understand what the big deal is.

r420 good luck with that

r421. You get the honour to be the first one on the to be ignored list. And to make it clear to you and the other minions.

We. Do. Not. Discuss. TB here. And her looks. And anything concerning here out of context with Sam. If you want to sacrifice her, please use the well known, now a little bit empty lost places on tumblr. And greetings to p Overdrive, mackkenzielassforget4ever and i put the Bull in"bullshit". So use your warp drive (is Billy still alive?) and get the fuck out here.

r422 good. ignore me please. strange how there are so many posts about MM but you pick on mine. Actually I can talk about anything I want here. And since she is involved with Sam I guess that makes us free to talk about her in the thread about Sam.

Speaking of Sam, why doesn't he man up and defend his choices publicly. He's lurking. It's disappointing really.

r423. Wrong again. It is not about nailing you to the wall. It is just to tell you and all the others you stand for.

Surely you can post every thing you want here. As long it is about the original issue of the very first Opening Poster here. About the issue that Sam Heughan is gay.

R424 manning up for TB?! pffff

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Something nice after all BS

R428 looks like the bearding of the past event has taken its toll on him, looking tired and drained, but at least he looks like he's enjoying the company. He must feel relieved the charade is over for now

The whole OL production lacks class. And to think Sam is bearding because of it. Shame....

[quote]looks like the bearding of the past event has taken its toll on him, looking tired and drained

Yep.

That's what the closet does to him:

For all of the fans of gay Sam. Here we go. I know, that is a screencap. And he is caring of someone. But I like it. It looks credible

R431 indeed...the guy needs to come out(but we already knew that) R432 love it. the chemistry at least looks real here.

Just another one.

They gay Sam I adore really. And my all time favourite, when the world was young.

[quote]But I like it. It looks credible

[quote]love it. the chemistry at least looks real here.

Yes, you can tell he has done it many times .......;)

Min 2:

Is this show still on? If he's indeed gay then he'll probably come out after the show is over.

R436 Currently filming s4. The rumour has it s5 is 99% certain, bad news for gay Sam.

R435. Yes. Exactly that. I adore you for keeping this thread alive.

Small side note, would be nice, when some really gays old DL would show up here.. Don't worry, we have managed this thread well. And we have used our claws and teeth to get rid off all the trolls. Gays! We did everything to defend this place for you.

and r437. You paid troll. At NYC it is closing time for leaving the office, West Coast gave you a call? According to your posts here you are a paid PR. Nothing wrong with that.

But please understand. This is Datalounge. This place exists since 1995. To make it clear: 23 fucking years. This is a generation away from you.

Do not dare trying to fuck us. We are older then you. And we know, how to play the game.

r437. All the signs point to no S5. If you know more than we are. Please post your source. And do not try to make you more intersting, that you are.

This is DL, we know how to play the game.

Baah. Just for me and rOP. And for the last standing from every gender here.

I am in the mood

still in the mood

I have to to bed. But..

I really wish him a men, who loves him and gives him everything he likes. And one he takes him as he is.

May be, we have to look out for a nice guy for our cinderella.

[I am what I am I don't want praise, I don't want pity I bang my own drum Some think it's noise, I think it's pretty And so what if I love each sparkle and each bangle Why not try to see things from a different angle Your life is a sham Till you can shout out I am what I am I am what I am And what I am needs no excuses I deal my own deck Sometimes the aces sometimes the deuces It's one life and there's no return and no deposit One life so it's time to open up your closet Life's not worth a damn till you can shout out I am what I am I am what I am And what I am needs no excuses I deal my own deck sometimes the aces sometimes the deuces It's one life and there's no return and no deposit One life so it's time to open up your closet Life's not… ]

Really last call for me..

Heard from at least five steps away source: There will no be a S5 of Outlander.

what does five steps away source mean?

R447 Interesting! Was this recent? How reliable is your source? I heard from someone who was fairly close that S5 (and maybe S6?) were all but renewed and the only question was when and how was best to announce and promote. That said, this was a few months ago so I suppose things could have changed. I honestly expected to have heard by now.

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Okay, DL...

[quote]If she was indeed his friend, she would've advised him to come out, not defend the beard.

I agree. Balfe loves to pretend she’s a feminist like her TV character but the evidence proves otherwise. She spent her first career as a model, unapologetically pushing an unhealthy body image on girls and women, and her response when asked about her career goals was "to work with Woody Allen" and eventually "write and direct." No self-respecting feminist would say that. Clearly, she's just another phony Hollywood wannabe. Meanwhile, respected women writer-directors, like Oscar-nominated Greta Gerwig, aren’t afraid to speak out (see previous post).

He's so much hotter when he's just himself and not trying to be all macho and Joe Stud.

R429 R431 R452

I hope that Sam is back in Scotland.....and without the beard.

He looked like crap yesterday in LA with Graham McTavish:

Honeys r448 and r449. To be honest. I have no clue. May be I have a clue. But If this is the case i am far away to share it with you. May be you ask the one, who is 99 % sure that S5 and S6 will come.

r351. Chapeau. And thanks

To the dumb troll at R423/R421/R347/R34 who is also R341:

[quote]Straight people don't come out so why should anyone else have to?

What is a straight person coming out of? The Straight Closet? Last time I checked it was a heteronormative world we live in and it’s not news to be straight but if you come out as gay in a world where gays are still persecuted, you are taking a courageous step and empowering yourself and others to live their truth. Hopefully, someday our sexuality won’t be an issue but sadly it still is. Clearly, you need a lesson in heterosexual privilege.

Ron Moore and Starz CEO both said there would be s5. They might be lying of course.

[quote]her response when asked about her career goals was "to work with Woody Allen" and eventually "write and direct."

She’s delusional. Allen only likes young’uns. What would she write and direct about? Other pampered, privileged, beautiful people? She probably hasn’t wanted for anything or suffered a day in her life.

PSA reminder to all the sad / angry shippers joining us this week. All of the weirdness and awkwardness stems from the fact that Sam is gay and that (he thinks, not without reason) he can't pursue success in Hollywood unless he actively hides that fact.

Cait, for personal and professional reasons, wants everyone to know that she and Sam aren't together. But she can't talk about his being gay at all and she ends up trying awkwardly to lift up his fake relationship that he himself seems to have personal limits about promoting or defending (possibly, he hates himself for doing it at all), which ends up leaving the women (TB and CB, who each for their own reasons are promoting it) exposed to the fans who are angry - that Cait isn't with Sam, or just that they've had their heads messed with all along. To be clear, I don't much like TB nor do I think that CB has handled it well. I'm just saying that these games don't start with the women. And although it's Sam's choice to do the bearding in order to pursue his career, and we can certainly ask the question if the cost to his life and integrity is worth those ambitions, it's not his fault either that HW is so fucking homophobic.

TL;dr - before we go on and on trashing these people, their looks, their integrity,their personalities etc., please let's remember where it all starts, which is systemic homophobia. Not defending them entirely, just saying that's the main thing. That's where it starts. That's what's driving all the weirdness. Take that away, and it recedes to normal celebrity/fan stuff, which is weird enough on its own, but not nearly as toxic.

Well said R459

Another example of Hollywood's systemic homophobia. Interestingly, Sam's friend Lauren Conrad was mentioned here:

R461 Nevermind about the link with Sam. I was confusing Sam's friend, Lauren Cohen, and the woman Haynes mentions, Lauren Conrad.

Still a good article, R461 / R462. Thanks. Very appropriate reminder for this thread that homophobia is real, bearding is a thing, and (sadly) that coming out can have negative consequences for these actors.

Personally I have a feeling that OL won't be renewed(I think it's strange they were so sure it would be renewed a few months ago and still no confirmation now). I think that would be good for Sam. He could leave the closet(hopefully) and get away from the insane OL fandom. Take on some more serious roles in the UK.

I think the massive recent push to separate them professionally suggests no S5.

R465 I think you're right. Sony has a new CEO, maybe he thinks the show is trash.

Gay Sam for good morning.

Agree about Sony and the seperation. I won't be sad about it....

r467. Oh thanks for that. Just saw part of the bloopers from S3. If anyone still needs a proof...Never saw more gay Sam than in those outtakes.

R469 Yep, especially when Cait is playing with his boobs, oops, sorry pecks :D

If someone is curious to see Sam in the gag reel, full chemistry test etc., here's a link:

R471 Thank you. Sam is a great actor. Watching the chemistry test - I mean he acted this way with a person he'd met for the first time. Also the gag reel, or the gay reel lol He's very sweet in it. And it's fascinating to watch how he acts with different actors. With Hannah James - Geneva - he's very awkward in this undressing scene, doesn't meet her eyes etc. He's very comfortable with the guys and Cait. You can just tell he's at total ease next to her.

The awkwardness with Hannah James is deliberate perhaps for the part he’s playing, she’s playing the haughty daughter of the house, he’s the groom, doesn’t want to be there, blackmailed etc.

R473 According to David Berry Hannah and Sam didn't interact. It's logical I suppose, they had several scenes together. Never mind. I was impressed with the chemistry test as well.

Another General call.

This is the home of gay and lesbian people.

This is not the place to discuss filming or movie directing issues. If you want to discuss this, please do it where it is at home.

[quote]This is the home of gay and lesbian people.

Yes, it is, and I get annoyed when random OL tumblrinas proclaim there are no more LGBTQ people posting here. WTF? We're here and we've been here all along.

I find it very interesting that the anger in this fandom is directed at the women. Are they upset that Sam has chosen this woman as a photo op or are they angry that he ,their "king of men" is gay. Perhaps they need to examine why they are angry. The women have not done nothing wrong. Cait is protecting her dear "gay" friend and his unfortunate beard. Sam appears not to know what to do. No offense is the best defense, possibly. My point is, fans if you are disappointed by Sam's choices direct your criticism at him. Chances are you will be ignored. Homophobia is alive and well,and the closet door is closed.

My very first exposure into looking at OL info was reading Diana Gabaldon fending off book fans upset that a gay actor was cast to play "their" Jamie King of Men. Many fans knew before the series started he was gay. It shouldn't have been an issue, and I don't think it was until these entitled bitties made it one. They are the same ones that uphold his beard because they are homophobic, including the troll Purv. I have seen her say she lies to protect gay Sam. It has just been a collective effort from all involved to cover for him, including certain fan groups. It has become the Sam clown show. I think he is afraid to come out right now because the OL fan fraus would pay big money for a piece of toilet paper he has wiped his ass with if he put it up for sale. He is afraid of losing money from these overzealous fans and will milk them for all it's worth until OL is done. After that, he may be free to live his life the way he desires. When Sam says to a friend on twitter, "You know my bat isn't straight", I don't think there is much room for another interpretation.

I think Oulander is done with S4. The separation of Sam and Cait professionally indicates their search for new work. I’m interested in what Sam does next. Will he come out, carry on with quite lucrative fitness business (which is his baby) and theatre/tv roles in UK or stay in closet and aim for already crowded with 40-something talented peers Hollywood. Only he can decide where he’d be happier, freer and more fulfilled of course.

TB was chosen for Sam. He didn’t choose her. It’s business.

[quote]They are the same ones that uphold his beard because they are homophobic, including the troll Purv. I have seen her say she lies to protect gay Sam. It has just been a collective effort from all involved to cover for him, including certain fan groups. It has become the Sam clown show.

Sing it, R478.

Straight couples don't need to pay a publicist to buy placements of themselves on paid PR sites like Just Jared. Anyone you see on Just Jared is doing some kind of image correction, deflection or damage control.

[quote]TB was chosen for Sam. He didn’t choose her. It’s business.

Little princess / High in your ivory tower / Feel the breeze begin to turn / From sweet into sour / There's a black wind blowing / There's a shadow on the rise / Daddy was a good man / 'Til the devil saw him fly / Daddy's got a gun / Daddy's got a gun / Daddy's got a gun

R481,

"ain't nothing straight about my Bat, you know that!"

shit was that his coming out from years ago?

R484, it wasn't his coming out, because he wasn't in, and it wasn't a big deal. He only started backing into the closet when he got the OL role.

R477 [quote]Perhaps they need to examine why they are angry.

I've been following all facets of the fandom for many years (I'm firmly in the gay camp myself) and I can tell you for certain, they are angry because they feel like they're being lied to/were being lied to all along. But what I want to know is, why do we feel entitled to anything from actors? Even the truth?

I was looking back on archives the other day, and somewhere around thread 3 (during the 2015 virtual bearding with Caitriona) a DL commenter said what a dangerous game that was; that it would blow up in his face. I was amused by that...

Just my opinion, with no connections to anyone who "knows" anything. I could see it going either way in terms of renewal, but both Albrecht and Moore said in January they will be doing more seasons pretty much for certain, and this has been a profitable show for STARZ regardless of what anyone thinks of the show itself. S3 viewing numbers were up significantly, and it sounds like even more so across app sales like Amazon. I think they're unlikely to cancel a show that's making money and drawing subscriptions and app sales, which is their business model. But, we'll see. They're doing that Emmy panel later this money, so maybe there will be an announcement then. STARZ also just announced some kind of OL-specific immersive con events with one in Las Vegas and one in New Jersey this summer. That sounds like an investment in the franchise to me.

I say that as someone who would love to see Sam back in the theater and maybe British TV where he could be out and happy. But that's my thinking - as someone up-thread points out, he gets to make his own choices, and he waited for this chance for a long time. He can secure his financial stability with this franchise alone (plus related marketing). And, again, what's really fucked up and not of his making is the homophobia that forced him to choose between this long-term financial / creative opportunity in his chosen field, and being his gay self living life out of the closet as normal.

I Have to agree with 487. Theres an article out speculating that Ron Moore may leave the show for S5 (twitter.com/outlandercast/status/971402907974332417?s=21). But it mentions there is a huge physical expansion going on in the studio facilities in Scotland, with tax subsidies involved, which will make subsequent seasons even cheaper to film. Seems like a major deal.

Even if OL were to end, it doesn’t seem likely Sam would come back out any time soon. All his PR strategy seems geared around targeting some kind of specific role, and if he lost OL you’d think that strategy would only intensify

[quote] a DL commenter said what a dangerous game that was; that it would blow up in his face. I was amused by that...

Well, yeah, because they make money pushing the lie. Starz gets subscriptions and obsessed fans buzzing on SM and the actors get votes in fan polls and fan attendance at cons - basically they get slobbering fans, gobs of cash and SM followers specifically because of the showmance. Quid pro quo.

Just to summarize those last five days:

It did not work well for Sam. This is the kindest way to express it.

Nothing, and really nothing went the way as planned. Here at DL we reach the end of a 600 posts thread with highspeed as we never seen before.

On tumblr and the rest of SM the postings reach never seen high frequence. But, and this my point oft view: It is not about how great Gay Sam Heughan is as an actor vor anything helpful for his future career.

All the Internet bursts of, in no ranking order, about:

- feeling betrayed Samcait shippers (the biggest group and the most precious one in term oft money making)

- the "I do not really care, but in my dreams Sam Heughan is fucking me" group

- the "we have always knew, that Sam is gay" group

- and the Purvs and her minions group. Baaah forget it..

So. Everything Sam wanted to reach with this, fuck the enviroment, I can. afford a first class trip to wait in a line for a red carpet photo op my PR has booked, even they only can get the cheapest one. It. Did. Not.Work.

All he is got at the end: Tons of people, who are now really can be sure, that he is gay. A destroyed Reputation. Tons of longtimes Fans, which exactly outcrying this on the fansites.

Boahh Sam. What a fucking weekend for you. -

[quote]Even if OL were to end, it doesn’t seem likely Sam would come back out any time soon. All his PR strategy seems geared around targeting some kind of specific role, and if he lost OL you’d think that strategy would only intensify.

He made his Faustian bargain with the Hollywood Devil. As long as Lionsgate owns his ass with "The Spy who Dumped Me" he's their bitch and he plays the game their way.

Meanwhile, his costar, Kate McKinnon, is out and proud. She's made bank on her talent and who she really is. The SNL sketch with Charles Barkley was 10x funnier because we know she's a lesbian.

[quote]Boahh Sam. What a fucking weekend for you. -

Are you kidding? It was a great weekend because... Just Jared!

R490 and R492. My personal opinion, but I don't think it was anything like that level of disaster. A modest success, even. Most casual fans, tens of thousands of them, are not following this drama at all. The intense drama people? That's in the hundreds. Maybe he looked less tired last year, and I'm not a fan of the up-do, but take a step back from all the feelings about the bearding situation and he looked pretty sharp in that tux, and TB looked nice (way more classy than last year). Any casual fan will see his red carpet photo and think he's handsome. Any casual fan who googles "Sam Heughan girlfriend" and finds Just Jared will assume it's true and think they're cute together. He got his ticket paid by the YSL and other endorsements. I mean, whatever, he'll never be a Clooney-level star and he'll never win an Oscar, but he's playing a game that's keeping him in business - movie this summer, product endorsements. Remember, this strategy isn't meant for us. Bearding as a strategy is getting less viable in the age of social media and LGBT exposure, but it's still working as a general rule.

Managing the intense batty fandom continues to be an issue for them and on that level they are running into some problems - really, ever since Cait pulled back from the virtual bearding. They rely on the fans for free PR but they also play games with them - like other poster said, the showmance was always going to blow up in their faces. But I'm not sure in the end they see it as a negative. Clicks and follows indicate interest. Including our clicks and follow and never-ending discussion. Those fans will watch S4. Hell, most of us probably will too.

Most casual fans, tens of thousands of them, are not following this drama at all. The intense drama people? That's in the hundreds.

*** I think you’re likely correct.

Since he appears to be hanging around LA for a while maybe TB could ask her Into the Woods costar James Corden to book Sam a slot on his show,he was on there before. He could promote OL dvd and his movie and MPC and and and. Anybody know if TB's family brewery will be doing business with Open Gate Brewery in Dublin. Sam visited Dublin recently, no one knew why. Open Gate Brewery placement in the Guinness Beer picture made me wonder. Follow the money ,possible beergate. Industrious little bugger.I am thinking this business guy is more his style.

rop. Just for us. And for our lovely Sam. This is from this never seen the screen movie "Alexander the Great"

Thank you R496 R495 Didn't know he visited Dublin....do you think more endorsements or more business?

or both....

R495 how do you know Sam visited Dublin? It's the first time I'm hearing it.

One other question. I'm not really familiar with how things work in HW. If we for example take Sam and MM. Did they have to may the clothes and hair+make-up team from their own pocket or did they get the clothes for free to do a commercial for them? If they have to pay for everyhting, how do some celebs, that don't have a lot of money afford it?

The weekend was a joke. Nobody in HW knows who he or the beard are. She almost didn't even make it on the carpet and he left her in the dust. Nobody posted her photos so she had to do it herself. This was all about promoting her and not Sam. I think those photos posted even had some manipulation to them. His contact with her is minimal. Even casual, general fans aren't buying the gf. People I work with that turned me on to him and the show are laughing at the gf thing. Really, even the general public is not that stupid. Now you might get some who just really don't give a shit what he does outside the show. Those are not the same fans spending their disposable income on him. They might toss a sm like here and there, but really aren't all that financially invested. The younger demographic, whom they seem to be going after, is not buying into it either.

I noticed on the RC they have not been asking what are you wearing. I know in the past many of the stars were given the gowns in exchange for endorsments. The jewelry is lent to them. I also heard there was $100,000 glam grab bag. Some celebrities get in line for seconds and thirds. See they are just like us ,in line for free samples at Sam's Club. They are quite gross aren't they?

r501, r499. No and no. Concerning the Outfit: Sam was wearing a bad fitted Yves Saint Laurent tuxedo with a jacket, that was to small for his pecs. Nightmare! His watch was a Mont Blanc. A wellknown company for fountain pens, but not for watches, trying to well their watches since 20 years. Not Piaget vor Rolex or Breitling. By the way, have you eher seen wearing a luxury watch outside the RC?

For TB. She had to buy/lease her oufit for herself. No one would give her an Outfit. She is Z List.

No glam bag for them. The glam bag story was for the Oscar guests.

Sams PR just bought a late time photo OP at the VF red carpet. As it looks without the entrance to the VF party.

Look at this pathetic headline "Outlander’ Star Sam Heughan Attends Oscars After Party With Secret Girlfriend MM". Secret????? lololol Sam, own your shit man, nobody believes this BS.

Oops, Sam is back in the game. Posted the beard pic on his TW.

r504. He is on the best way to define dumpster and trash to a all time, never seen low.

Sam Heughan, I really liked you. And in an recently very tiny small place in my heart, i still do. But you are acting as a really big asshole in this minute.

R504 Not surprised. As I said he has a plan and he's executing it. The boy wants HW and he's willing to sell his soul.

But r506. HW did not take notice of him this weekend. And never will. He left HW after a couple of pilote seasons and after seven unsucsessfull auditions for GOT. He was close to leave the business and become a cook or fitness guru before he grabbed the golden ticket at the lottery called Outlander.

There will be come no more. Thats it. No Bond. No nothing. Even when his HW movie with will reach some box office money. He is a side kick in this. He is no Viggo Mortensen after LOTR. Sam will dissapear. And he is already disappearing right now. The meltdown of the Outlander fandom happens right now. In Front oft our eyes.

Gay rumours are more not fewer after this shit. It's getting interesting.

[quote]Oops, Sam is back in the game. Posted the beard pic on his TW.

And he doesn't mention her name.

It’s not because he lost the popularity contest. It’s because he doesn’t have the acting chops.

Guinness actually tweeted the beard, not him. And that's why he posted the pic lmao

As I have him send to hel at my post at r505.

May be I am crawling a little bit back.

What do I have to think about his twitter after the TB related pic.

Makes me think, what he wants to say us:

Sam and the beard both have posted exactly at the same minute.

Everything is controlled and staged.

Sam is an enigma. First he retweets pics of his co-star playing with his boobs and next he posts about his on-off GF. I don;t get it.

Probably because his PR team has access to his SM accounts (and hers) and posting part of the time.

Of course they have. May saying since I am posting here.

Right now he looks a fool who is being played by all sides. Sam, just come out and live a happy and free life. This charade isn’t worth it. There’s more to life than$$$.

One for the road

R512 But he can't be brave, can he?

He's shilling for free beer on a charity tweet. Low.

Train wreck...

R521 Absolutely...

This is .

all much more bigger than the BS i was expecting and aware of:

Mackenziebullshitforever tumblr is filled oft PR driven stuff. So filled, that there was obviously someone helping Purv. No one with a real paid job would have the time and the sources to do it as his after work job.

All the pictures posted, all the editing oft the "anon posts" You will need a cohorte oft people to do that.

Predux, Mackenziebullshitforever and P yellow are curated by the same person. And this subject is paid or this subject does not really exist and is an industry made sock account. Nothing is real, all fake and mirrors.

And the way all this is sold to us. It makes it more and more clearer, that we are betrayed.

Interesting, how it increased on Sunday night, when we here started the discussion about what will happen. Like they were reading here. Everything we predicted came true.

As we were commenting here, you could literally watch the response. And after the monday morning GMT time, i have watched in real time what happened on the Europe GMT time adjusted tumblrs. This was like skiing and relief the avalanche.

You could see "Them" called for duty, rubbing their sleepy eyes and starting to try to build up a defense line. Which did not work. We are heading to Thursday and they still are working on their walls and try to fill the holes.

501 here ,I was thinking of A listers at the Oscar getting freebies. Designers used the platform to display their goods. I said this year I didn't hear the "what are you wearing question. I heard the Oscar glam gift bags were valued at $100,000. ,like they need it right. Sam and TB were not at Oscars. Cait said once her designer friends supply stuff for her,I don't know if she pays them,but she always gives them credit on her IG.Just trying to answer a question as a long time watcher of the Oscars.

GAY Sam from the gag reel:

Interesting assessment, R523. Are you our poster with the PR background? Sounds like you can see the PR damage control engine on SM and in the blogosphere cranking away predictably across the time zones.

Wait a second r526. Before i have to thank r525 for this. My newtime all favourite. Just checked my gaydar. All well calibtrated.

So back to r526. Yes i am the one from PR. But this given piece is just somekind of my worthest nightmare. But, what I have learned from the for me other side oft the screen. We can move something. The front side oft the screen is listening. And it reacts. The last days and me watching all the moves have me proof.

r526. Sorry for all the misspellings. Honour goes to idiotic spellcheck.

Is the irony of his post about what an inspiration Mhairi Black is, not lost on anyone else? Proud, young woman owning her life, who when asked about coming out, said she was never in. She is an inspiration that appears lost on Sam.

[quote]who when asked about coming out, said she was never in. She is an inspiration that appears lost on Sam.

TRUE . And Sam still calls her his 'inspiration'......((:

[quote]Mackenziebullshitforever tumblr is filled oft PR driven stuff. So filled, that there was obviously someone helping Purv. No one with a real paid job would have the time and the sources to do it as his after work job.

I think that Mackenziebullshitforever is from Seattle........

Ahh, thank you, R529, that did occur to me about Mhairi Black. (However, I was out and about, and I can't post anything from my iPhone on DL this deep into the thread ... please fix this functionality issue, DL!).

Anyway, from my laptop now. Sorry, this may be a little long since it's a whole day's worth. Looking at the succession of tweets on Sam's account from him or whomever.

So first he does some call-outs to co-stars and fans plus cheering on the local heroes from the snow emergency. This is all good. Normal good celebrity tweeting.

Then some flirty banter with his Will & Grace co-star about the boob groping on the bloopers reel from S3. All normal (for them) and it pleases many of the fans.

Then the charity/Guinness tweet with TB's photo - this is clever; he gets the business mention, the charity goodness, and (two days in) he puts himself with TB, thus inoculating himself from all the commentary that he is always leaving it to the women to post those photos. I believe this is the second time he's posted a photo of her in two years - as many as Cait has done. He doesn't tag her or mention her name. Focus of the tweet is the beer. The response is overwhelming positive in contrast to the mean comments posted on the women's social media (this isn't his fault, just pointing it out, since sexism is a thing just as homophobia is a thing.) Ugh, whatever, I was expecting this photo and frankly it took him long enough. If you're going to beard, just do it. The games are almost more annoying than the bearding.

Then the Mhairi Black tweet. Which is also clever, because it can be read so many ways:

1) Mostly, it will be taken by fans to be a comment about social media abuse, especially abuse directed at women. The commentary on his tweet shows this to be the big response. And that's fair; women in the public eye do receive a lot of abuse online. And as stated above, that includes TB and also his co-star CB, even though they are not the original source of the weirdness and the lies--Sam is--or more accurately, homophobia is and then Sam has made his choice and then people yell at the women. Mostly, the women fans yell at the women which is disturbing in its own way.

2) Mhairi Black is also an amazing young, left-wing Scottish nationalist, which is probably close to Sam's politics and the complete opposite of the politics of the TB's family, which makes their connection all the more unbelievable. Hard to believe that family or even TB herself with her HW performative liberalism would make any sense of what Mhairi Black stands for.

3) As pointed out by R529, Mhairi Black is an out and proud lesbian, who was famously asked when she came out and stated she was never in. (God, I love the kids today.) So in posting this, is Sam sending a little wink to the part of the fandom that loves his progressive gay self? Wink wink, I'm still me despite the games and illusions? Probably not, but it's nice to think so. A little tightrope walking today, perhaps.

Okay, last tweet of the day is banter with Kristin Dos Santos (KDS), beloved interviewer of the OL fandom. This one is meant to reassure the core fans that OL magic continues.

As our longtime and beloved poster from Germany points out, yes they are reading us and other blogs too, and reacting. It's all a little game.

If / when Sam ever comes out again, he'll have more support than he imagines. I don't see it happening soon, though. We are in for a long year of bearding, sorry to say.

There was a time I would have put him in the same sentence with Mhairi Black but, alas, not anymore. He tweeted that to wag his finger at the rabid fantards who are spewing hate on SM, not to align with an out lesbian. Meanwhile, aligning himself with an evangelical Trumpster-Thumper is offensive to LGBT people. I'm afraid Heughan's gone to the sunken place.

Sam is SM savvy. Look at his tweet about female bodies. Overwhelming positivity in the comments.

Pity his beard isn't on the same page with her sneering fat suit Halloween costume of a year or so ago. They seem to have nothing in common but ambition and a contract.

R531 Great post, thanks. So typical, how he never mentions her, tags her. He must be so proud and sorry to say so but right now he only seems to care about endorsments , money, exposure and free gifts

r531 Thanks, it is nice to read a post that isn't full of negativity and telling Sam how he should live his life.

R531 Thank you for the great post. If I may add something - Kristin Dos Santos did the denial interview two years ago and she hasn't covered OL since then. Bringing her now means two things: 1. They want to please the fans. 2. Some statements will be made.

It won't be surprising to hear another denial and confirmation of Cait's engagement and Sam's on-off GF. BS is coming. Do you think Sam is willing to fake an engagement?

I dont believe he is, otherwise he would have stated that fake blondie is his gf already. Sometimes a glimpse of the real Sam remains it seems....look at his last tweet about the Scottish Youth Theatre....I still hope he will come around.

I believe Sam is sweet caring guy who happens to live and work in very homophobic world. It must be awful to hide who you are all the time.

r537. As far as I know an Engagement is a promise to marry someone. Gay Sam Heughan spent netto around ten days with TB in the last 730 days. And he did spent days with her, as days by daylight. Not the night hours. So, what was your question about? Or are you one of those PR shill sock accounts to come here and check the general mood and vibes in the fandom?

R540 Not a sock account. I'm just very confused when it comes to bearding. Here I find very reasonable people and I wonder what Sam will do next. Sorry if I asked the wrong question :)

Next step is probably pap walk next week in LA. The usual stuff. Other than that, who the fuck knows.

r541. Sorry for my rude attack. I am probably on a mission .. My deepest apologize.

He never touches her in a romantic way and never tags her. I think that is part of the arrangement. An engagement would be a disaster. She is using him plain and simple to get exposure. Honestly it has become comical that this nobody has stolen the spotlight from the whole OL cast, crew and production. What is she even doing in life other than being a paid beard. Balfe tried to give her pointers and help to make her into someone desirable, but when you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig. Staying single and busy in public would bode well for him. I honestly think that Camuso guy is holding something over Sam's head. His connection to pushing the beard and policing fans is way over the top and suspect. How or why Sam ever got caught up with him remains a mystery.

this nobody has stolen the spotlight from the whole OL cast, crew and production.

*** From what I can tell there is a small group of shippers who are obsessed with hating her and there’s DL where she is addressed but this thread is about Sam specifically, not Outlander. And half the obsession with her here is just the crazy shippers.

In the very large world of OL fans she doesn’t really register much.

Hey, its-moopoint.tumblr.com @ R545/R417 we don't care about the "very large world of OL." We're more interested in the desperate lengths to which Heughan and his PR team will go to sell this absurd fauxmance. We're observing the once serious and courageous actor turn into a glorified product shill and Hollywood tool. It's a transformation we're witnessing in real time as a once out gay actor tries to closet and grab the Hollywood brass ring.

r542. Of course. Just let us have a small look int the crystal ball, while having a fresh Guinness. And dont forget to check your time on your ugly Mont Blanc watch.

By the way, Jenniffer Allen do not dare to steal my ideas. My lawyers are ready to send my bill to your actual adress: Jeniffer Allen c/o Viewpoint. 8820 Wilshire Boulevard Beverly Hills, CA 90211 Suite 220 So we got that. Fine.

So as for the upcoming scenario, the EMMY paneI (which I am not sure, they are really flying all the cast members to LA, to announce, that the show will be cancelled?) I would suggest it this way:

- Sam leaving Glasgow late (cause of snow, thunderstorm, sun, the Pope died, DT broke his small right toe), thanks to AUDI he reaches his BRITISH AIRWAYS flight right in time. Wearing his BARBOUR jacket, he had a short look on his MONT BLANC watch. Thanks to the (completly overprized) skincare/makeup his (secret) Girlfriend promotes (sells for her living), he still looks like the Scottish Hunk Jamie. (Side note, Botox doctor called, please make sure he will get his check immediately and please make a new appointment).

- Sam arriving at LAX with his luggage (fuck, we forgot to ask for a endorsement from Samsonite or this other cool company Rimova)

- Sam signing tons of fan articles (on the To do List, call those guys from the last PR signing Op, they ran out of their ebay selling stuff. And make sure they bring a couple of the S3 DVDs and Blue ray which were delivered last week and still block our storing room).

- Sam going to the hotel (well we do not have to cover this, but please make sure, that he and his friend are not seen and photographed offiicially)

- Sam attends the panel styled by .. (we have to talk about this)

- Sam does the pap walk with those (cant remember her name, please look it up in the file. And by the way. As you know, he can barely stand her. PLS check double, that he has not to spend more time than necessary with her for the pap pics).

To be continued

Beverly Hills, CA 90211

r546 and you are the gay police or the gay investigators making sure to out those that don't wish to be outed or what?

Hey I’m not moopoint those people are nuts. I was responding to that comment specifically. And trying, maybe unsuccessfully, to make a similar point to yours. The discussion of his bearding is relevant to LGBT issues. It’s not about OL and comments focused on that are irrelevant this discussion. I did become a fan of Sam’s through the show. when I came across these threads and learned his history I became sad for him. I also understand the broader point being made that his participation in the charade is disconcerting because it perpetuates the discrimination LBGT people are trying to overcome.

Whether you care about the world of OL or not, that is where he is and why he is doing what he is doing. It is relevant. He could have HW and be private about his personal life. It was the OL fans that drove a once out actor back into the closet. Until the show ends, we will continue to get this scenario. It is an issue.

r548. Yes. We are the gay police and we are the gay investigators.

No. We are not following an agenda to force people t come out. We just take care and tend our little bubble here. A safe place and environment for lesbian and gays and transgender and bi and queer..

Gay Sam Heughan was always out. He gave remarkable interviews to honorable gay magazines. And I do not mean gossip sites like his gay friend JJ.

R548 is the same troll from the previous threads who doesn't follow her own "live and let live" advice and can't seem to keep track of her own contradictory statements.

Negativity hurts but apparently it's okay for the troll to spew hate...

[quote]all negativity hurts someone whether you can see it or not

[quote]if he were gay and he came out, everyone here, except for one, would desert him in a minute

We should be free to state our disappointment but not if it's negative...

[quote]there is no reason not to state your disappointment with the way he does things

[quote]The people here thrive on this negativity so they would need to go find someone else to destroy that they think they are helping.

Heughan is responsible for his actions but it's our fault he's bearding...

[quote]Sam is responsible for what ever he does

[quote]maybe if people stopped posting the same things over and over and over in 27 threads then Sam wouldn't have to have a beard if that is what she is.

...and my favorite...

[quote]Some think he is gay, some think he is not. No one is right, no one is wrong.

Someone slept through Logic 101.

It's time for a little classic gay humor from the bitchy queen himself, Randy Rainbow, featuring my client, Jody, and notice that I get a mention!

r552 you must have a really boring life

R547 Brilliant! Exactly the plan, lol.

r553. This is the Jackpot you have found. Great. Love it.

r552. You mean that r548 is our French Madame we have hopefully get ridded of?

Does Sam make enough money from Barbour and MPC? I mean after OL is over (soon I hope) can he afford to look for better projects or theater roles without being concerned about money?

My Peak Challenge membership is $119 per year, with half the proceeds going to Sam's charities. Membership also includes a t-shirt and wristband which is shipped for free of charge. In 2018 there are approximately 10,000 members. So there is a budget of $1,190,000 less the charity donation ($500,000) less t-shirt mailing ($190,000 ?). He has two staff (probably part-time) and filming, travel, promotion costs. It does not look like much of an earner...$300,000 clear for him or less. He makes a big effort for MPC; I think it is a labour of love because honestly, the money isn't all that great.

Where is Luke? Is he still in Sam's life? Luke seems so proud of him -- such clear love. Did they just split up over OL, or is he in the background somewhere?

r559. If Sam had more time to spend on MPC, it could be made very profitable indeed. Expanding into branded foods, merch, chain gyms, spas, boot camps, packaged adventure holidays etc. And of course the right partners and promotion.

R560 Luke is busy writing screenplays, occasionally acting, and every other week or so appears on the Film & Telly Stuff podcast. He seems to be living in London when not filming. He is a smoker, according to the podcast. He very rarely reveals much else about himself on the podcast, but occasionally something about a "girlfriend" is mentioned. He also talks about how he finds certain male actors attractive. So, he is a bit more of a mystery than Sam.

[quote]R552 you must have a really boring life

Hah! I wish. R554 is also the dumb troll at R423/R421/R347/R34/R341 who said:

[quote]Straight people don't come out so why should anyone else have to?

Your complete ignorance is entertaining.

r563 I am going to give you a pass and just ignore you

[quote][R563] I am going to give you a pass and just ignore you

I'm deeply indebted.

r565 you're welcome!

r564. As we have stated before. This is our place.

A safe place for gays and lesbians. This is not the place for fan girls like you.

We are here to drool about gay Sam Heughan. Do not dare to tell us thast Sam is staight. Wrong board, wrong site for you.

So just as the favour and get the fuck out.

Thankfully, the silly pompadour has been taken down a notch.

r567 You don't own this board. if you were able to figure anything out you would know that everything you have stated is wrong. now just move along...

r569. Wrong. This thread belongs to us. Not to you and your minions. And now please leave this place. You and your minions were never able to find and post something new about gay Sam Heughan.

You. You only consumate here and are throwing shit at us.

r568. Thanks for posting. Obviously they both need a new hairstylist.

Again, I ask -- is Luke out of Sam's life do you think? Is Luke the one he lived with long-term? It seems so harsh.

Sam looks pretty beat down in that photo. Hope he's just jet lagged.

Interesting. I have never seen that interview, Play It Again Sam in the Gay Times. That is the phrase the beard's ex threw out at Sam as the bearding sham was ruining his relationship with his gf. I guess her ex knows Sam is gay too.

R574 He used that phrase? When and in what context? What a tangled web...

r572. We do not know anything about Luke what you have already read. Seems he is living his life outside the big attention screen very well. Sam may be legt him and is now together with somebody else. I do not know more as everybody else here who is his New guy. My thoughts went for Duncan Lacroix as his new partner.

r570 please don't be so ignorant you have no idea what you are talking about. last time I'm responding to you..

[quote]Where is Luke? Is he still in Sam's life? Luke seems so proud of him -- such clear love. Did they just split up over OL, or is he in the background somewhere?

Such a difference between Luke and the trahsy beard......

Speaking of ex Billy Magnussen career wise seems to be on the rise. He has a part in Game Night with A list costars. He also is going to be in Disney's Aladdin movie with Will Smith next year. He also won a spirit award recently. TB chose to beard with a gay man on a rather unknown cable show.? She might of done better with her Into the Woods boyfriend. He is only 32 and has been working steady for a long time. He is a younger version of Sam, but more successful. He is a world traveler,sings and is in a band. Why beard, she would have more exposure with him than a little known cable guy. Is bearding all that lucrative for the creatures that do it. HW Low life at best.

r578, Do you have a link to Luke's podcast where he talks about closeted actors in Hollywood?

R578, the link is posted in one of the previous threads. I'll try to find it.

Just in case an I am the mood.

Freddyie Mercury, the Mozart of our times, the outstanding musician.

I had the honour to meet him in the wild 80ies in Munich. This for you Freddie.

And for Sam.

Living on my own.

The trolls are not only homophobic, they’re too stupid to realize that by trying to stifle our discussion they’re increasing the posts, views and visibility of this thread.

r557. My personal troll and stalker Wet thru all your posts. Nothing new pictures or links posted. You re just a troll.

Take a look at this gif of Sam with what appears to be Luke Neal, it appears CB is warning him he is being videoed while Luke fades back. What do you think? I hope this link works, it was served to me on Pinterest. I found this site because I suspected something was off with this whole SH MM thing months ago.

Updated link r585

Take a look at this gif of Sam and Cait, with what appears to be Luke Neal, doesn't it look like CB is warning them they are being videoed while Luke fades back? It looks like Luke and Sam just returned from travelling together, as a couple.

R587, it happened at the "Outlander" Writers Bloc LA panel 3/31/16

There's a fanvid of Sam and Luke arriving together posted by R154 in thread #4.

Makes you wonder why in 2016 he could take Luke along even though bearding with CB. Why can't he do that now....

We rarely see him travelling, unless he wants us too, r589, so who knows who’s travelling with him. In larger groups out and about it’s easy to hide someone in plain sight. Gym buddies, Munro climbing buddies...I’m sure he’s not lonely

Has Sam done some housekeeping on his Instagram account. Beard and Guinness photograph has gone

R591 He didn't post the pic on IG, only on TW

R590 true that The man looks exhausted though. That's what the closet will do to you

The photo of Sam and MM came up on Insta today and someone had drawn on it to show how it’s been photoshopped. She’s missing an arm the hair where they touch is all wrong it’s obvious that it’s another fake photo. Should have saved it but it’s been deleted did anyone else save it?. It’s so obvious when all the flaws are pointed out they weren’t even standing together. Two separate photos cropped and put together. Their eyes aren’t even looking at the same points. Anybody out there got it?.

I'm shit with Photoshop and I can't see if it's fake.

Found it marked all the photo shopping expand the photo to see how much there is. Can’t figure out how to post it though?

The photo came up in Insta today showing all the photoshopping I have it here but can’t tigure out how to post it. What’s going on it was posted here and now it’s hone

The photo appeared on Insta today showing all the photoshopping it’s duch a fake photo someone just posted it but it’s gone ? I will post it again if I can figure out how to

Please repost the photo I saw it on Insta today and someone had marked all the photoshopping there’s a lot. I’ve got a copy too but can’t figure out how to post it here

Cree being an imp...

photoshop....Sam stop it FFS