Are those high school massacre survivors "crisis actors"?

Go fuck yourself, OP.

You're boring, by the way. But you already knew that.

What R1 said. I hope that you get everything you deserve in life, OP.

F&F this Alex Jones-spouting piece of shit!

Go lick Alex Jones' shit crusted asshole OP!

Go away.

Troll post. Please F&F and ignore.

Listen to them, then listen to a deplorable. The kids actually have teeth.

No, they are just fame whores wanting their 15 minutes of fame

I'm not precisely certain what is a "crisis actor", but they definitely are exploiting their dramatic training. Buzzfeed let it slip, but declined to further explore the matter.

Here’s What It’s Like At The Headquarters Of The Teens Working To Stop Mass Shootings

[quote] The group, who mostly know each other from the school’s theater program....

What the fuck is a “crisis actor”, Vladimir?

You don't have to be an actor to be an attention whore; this is the instagram generation after all.

A “crisis actor” is a creation of Right wing, usually associated with the gun lobby. The allegation is that certain people travel the country to make periodic, paid appearances at the site of a fabricated tragedy. One of the most disgusting allegations is that the Sandyhook, CT shooting was staged. All the people who claimed to have lost their 6 year-olds were these crisis actors, and nobody was really slaughtered like pigs, as we all saw in the media. .

It’s completeky different from real people who all are going to all react differently to such a horrific event. I think we shouldn’t judge.

No #12, it's a creation of the Dem/lefties, who have a paranoid belief that the Rebublican/right wing/Illuminati-whatever want to create a Police State. So they have operatives do these massacres, then kidnap/kill some Muslims, troubled teens, etc. and dump their bodies on site and say they did it all (the object being to confiscate all guns from U.S. Americans- except of course soldiers and law enforcement).

Sometimes they miraculously live (Dzhokhar Tsarnaev)- but nobody is going to listen to them anyway, so...

These kids come from affluent backgrounds and have grown up with YouTube and the internet their whole lives. Of course they are precocious and articulate.

Wow, R9. Great detective work! So these kids “know each other?” That’s suspicious right there. And they were all in “theater” together? What the fuck does that even mean? The-a-what? Fuck them!!! There’s no way they’d be emotionally impacted by running for their lives through bloody hallways past the bodies of their friends and teachers who’d been blown open by a psycho with an AR-15. And there’s certainly no way they’d have any real opinions about any of it or want to convince Americans to support them. No way! Cuz they have Instagram! Fuck these knowing each other theater arts students who are all trying to like talk to people and shit with their fancy talking! What a bunch of assholes.

Yes, because who ever heard of speech and debate teams in American high schools?

That’s all just liberal shit that happens at liberal schools, R16. That’s where “they” train these Instagram kids so they’re ready whenever their school is inevitably shot up. See?

Hogg rehearsing his lines with the media was an eye-opener. To reduce criticism, he should have been more transparent about his background. He should have disclose earlier that his father was a retired FBI agent, and that he was already a left-wing agitator before the shooting.

Jesus I hope the trolls on this thread don’t really believe this crap but they probably do.

These super articulate teens have been spouting off on tumblr since they could type. They have good practise at this stuff.

You’re brilliant, R18! You can tell Hogg doesn’t really care at all about anything because he prepared his statement before speaking publicly. Who the fuck does something so sociopathic and snowflaky? People who appear to make an effort to get their point accross should never be trusted.

The buzzfeed pictures are creepy and famewhorish.

R20 is trying to explain why some teenagers are smarter than him.

I love the BuzzFeed picture showing all of them staring at their phones....and why is that guy still wearing Christmas pajamas in February? I all for the banning of AR-15s if we also ban the wearing of Christmas pajamas after December.

R13 Where the Hell have you been?

We've always been a Police State.

I don't see how it could all be fake. There are people from the school who are on Twitter bitching at Trump about gun control and how he is trying to "make their friends' deaths all about himself." If it is all a false flag and nobody really died, then who are these people? Did the Illuminati or whoever go to the trouble of making fake accounts and tweeting random teenage sounding bullshit for x-amount of years to prepare for this event and make it look legitimate? Or are these people just opportunists and want to get in on the fame so they lie about having gone to the school in order to get likes/retweets/followers?

Is every student in the entire school in on the conspiracy? If not, wouldn't the ones who aren't notice something strange if a bunch of randomly planted "new students" appeared in the school? Would the actors have to sit and listen to boring lectures, take tests/do homework to fool the other students? Where do the students who supposedly died go after the act is over?

There are just too many holes in the false flag/crisis actor theory. Too many unanswered questions. It just doesn't make sense and doesn't ring true. Sure, the media can exploit certain events for a certain purpose and people can use their involvement in these events as a springboard to build a career, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Crisis actors are responsible for the War on Christmas!

Sorry, R22, but bringing attention to the most horrible thing that has happened in their lives, especially something preventable that will certainly happen again soon, is not famewhorish. I swear it’s like half of you people have never had any real interactions with other human beings.

We've all been witness to a generation of online famewhores and are well aware of what they look like.

Sorry, r28, I've had frieds die tragically and not once did I "pose" for the camera like the buzzfeed article. It's creepy and famewhorish.

Frieds = friends

Definitely fame whores...the bald chick's Twitter handle is Emma4Change

OP must have went to a remedial school.

As for the kids themselves, from the looks of them they're obviously not the cheerleaders and football players. They're also probably not in the gifted/magnet program. Those kids would be too shy and probably not telegenic enough but I'm sure they're the ones writing the scripts and speeches.

I assume the ones in the media are in the theater and arts program. The types who loved glee, dream of becoming stars and loved La La Land. They're not as hot or dumb as the jocks/cheerleaders and not as socially awkward as the nerds.

Why is anyone engaging the OP?

FF the asshole and move on.

[quote]Are those high school massacre survivors "crisis actors"?

If you consider your average teenager glued 24/7 to his smartphone, for whom concentration and eye contact over 30 seconds is impossible, conditioned by the brevity of SMS and social media-speak, you may indeed come to the conclusion that those articulate, forthright random representatives being fed to the public by the media are indeed actors.

Muriel - Trick question. The posters who voted “yes”on this poll are obviously (Russian) bots.

Get rid of them.

Hope you get shot, OP.

they are. H o g g doesn't even go to the high school, he went to school in Redondo Beach and was a "witness" at a shooting in California back in August....... neXT CAAAAAASE

It happens all the time. Here's an example in Iraq, probably CIA coordinated

False flag crisis actors exposed

CNN Crisis Actor Caught Red Handed 4 Times In A Row!!!

Same Crisis Actor Interviewed at LAX Shooting and 9/11 Twin Towers

Gene Rosen, Crisis Acting Audition Tape- Body Language Analysis

This Parkland High School is 40% Jewish, right outside of Boca Raton.

If any large number of civilians can keep a story of lies straight, it is Jews. Muslims can also do this. Deception and being two-faced are core parts of the Judaism and Islam.

This ability to keep lies straight is how the Holocaust narrative was created after the war. Sure, tens of thousands of Jews died in the camps, and the Allies brought in top Hollywood directors to film all those bodies after the war, but the idea that 11,000,000 people including 6 million Jews (a sacred Talmudic number) were 1) gassed and 2) cremated is completely absurd and impossible, and there's absolutely no evidence for it.

But as long as they keep showing the film footage of the British tractor bulldozing dead bodies into a mass grave, people will believe anything.

And the Holocaust narrative has become a fundamental aspect of Judaism, so challenging the facts of the matter is as pointless as trying to tell them that Moses wasn't a real person.

Remember the Kuwaiti girl who was coached and lied about Iraq unplugging baby incubators in Kuwaiti hospitals, to drag the US into the first Gulf War? She was a crisis actor.

Body Language: How to SPOT a Crisis Actor

F&F.

Look at this Sandy Hook crisis actor. Looks like another drama school queen, laughing it up before going into work mode to cry on cue the day after his daughter's fake death.

Robbie Parker Laughing

It's all lies because bigoted cunt R43 R39 etc. says it's lies. But then bigoted cunts lie too. Bigoted cunts are well aware of that. So are we.

For you "crisis actor" conspiracy theory assholes - gun control is coming this time. No matter how many lies you tell or how much blame shifting you try and all your NRA talking point propaganda deflections.

5 million NRA members holding the rest of the country to ransom is [bold]unacceptable[/bold]. End of story.

Longer video of this drama school queen crisis actor:

Block R49 and most of the responses in this thread disappear.

Just did so, R50. But remember to F&F first!

r48 doesn't care that black Americans commit murder at 7 times the rate that white Americans do.

It's a total epidemic, but r48 doesn't shed any tears over that, because most of those black murderers are using illegal, unregistered guns.

The media never goes into a 3 day frenzy after 40 people get killed in Chicago in one weekend. They never do sentimental interviews with survivors of gang shootings, with soft piano music meant to outrage the US public about the epidemic of barbaric gang violence.

The plan here is to disarm law abiding white people, and turning a blind eye to black murder gangs.

Jews gave up their guns in Europe and look what happened. Now Israel is saturated in machine guns, while World Jewry passionately fights to disarm the white goyim in the US and Europe.

Do you think there would be an epidemic of rape in Europe if the law abiding whites had guns?

Do you think there would be No-Go zones all over Europe if Europeans had the right to defend themselves?

If you are more passionate about disarming law abiding white people than you are about doing whatever is necessary to stop the epidemic of black gun violence, you are a huge part of the problem.

The only time the black murder epidemic is ever mentioned is when trying to pretend that the NRA is responsible for all those black murders using illegal, unregistered guns.

Imagine if black thugs had no fear of robbing houses all across the US, like they have no fear about robbing and killing in liberal run "gun-free zones".

Here's another crisis actor. It can be very lucrative. Dan Rather went from small timer to CBS News anchor based on lying in America's face about the direction of JFK's head snap after JFK was blasted by a shooter on the grassy knoll.

R52 = blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

I bet Russian trolls are also behind crisis actor nonsense. Russkies were caught giving millions to the NRA.

I've always wondered why so many gun nuts since most Americans favor SANE gun laws. Obviously RUssians push the extremes to help the US devolve from inside.

That's the Russian move in the right while they fund Jill Stein on the left. Genius move Vlad.

I often wonder how many people who believe in "crisis actors" have spent a fair amount of time around people who just went through a trauma. Their "evidence" always says something along the lines of "this isn't how a person who just underwent something like that should be acting." Well, how do you know? I feel like they just watch movies and TV where people always collapse to the floor screaming and crying and assume that is how all people have to be. Reality isn't always like the movies and people process things and grieve in their own way.

Also, perhaps they just try to keep it together for the cameras. I'm sure most of us have had times when we just wanted to cry but we couldn't. "Not now, we're in public," "Not now, you'll just upset people. Don't let them see you cry." That kind of thing. Our society has a thing where displaying too much emotion is frowned upon. It is often better to keep your feelings trapped inside otherwise you could just be seen as crazy and weak. I know I wait until I am alone in my room to cry if ever I am upset. I think it is human nature to want to "keep it together" and project the image that everything is okay even if you are a complete mess on the inside.

I see nothing wrong with the way these people have acted in interviews.

I’d they are crisis actors, I’ll gladly pay their wages if that’s what it takes to get something good accomplished.

So far, I lean in the direction of: they're legit people, the occasions are legit, but the people are often the more dramatic (as in having capacity to act in dramatized situations instead of shut down and avoid media) that want to be in front of the camera or at least can take it better, and this means some erratic behavior and light coaching to get repeated stories straight in a time sensitive presentation (like news reports), and the coaching etc is done partially for media purposes though partially because so many are biased to get a pro-gun-control story out.

Its gonna take quite a lot more for me to believe the 'crisis actor' theory. Not that it doesn't happen as concept, but that it happens so much with so many occasions of school shootings.

I think the kids are in it for their 15-minutes and maybe a reality show, but I don't subscribe to the crisis actor tin foil theory.

I did think the buzzfeed photos were weird and the video of them getting off the bus while laughing ans smiling and waving at the crowd was a bit repulsive. I really do think they are hoping for a reality show. I also think it's sad how they are eclipsing the actual victims...the people who died.

Because the ones traumatized and survived aren't "actual" victims?

Not when their running around doing all the morning shows, r61. That's completely overshadowing the dead.

The one that really broke my heart was the guy who broke down crying at Trump's thing yesterday and telling the his account of how he lost his best friend. That's a real victim and not one for the camera. Sorry, but the drama club kids are famewhores.

CNN has denied scripting questions for Wednesday night's town hall meeting on gun control and safety with survivors of the Parkland massacre.

Colton Haab, 17, a member of the Junior ROTC who shielded students with Kevlar vests while the school was under attack from the shooter, said he decided not to attend the televised meeting after the network rejected a question he wanted to ask and presented him with one of their own.

'CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted,' Haab told Miami's WPLG-TV.

The network released a statement on Thursday morning refuting Haab's allegation.

It read: 'There is absolutely no truth to this. CNN did not provide or script questions for anyone in last night's town hall, nor have we ever.

Haab said was planning to ask about school safety, and the possibility of using veterans as armed security guards in schools, but the questions were rejected by CNN.

After allegedly being told he had to ask a scripted question, Haab decided not to attend the town hall.

'I don't think that it's going get anything accomplished. It's not gonna ask the true questions that all the parents and teachers and students have,' Haab said.

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Guess who won't be invited to the Today Show, Meet the Press, Real Time, or the next democratic national convention.

It's astounding how rightwingers believe any fantastical conspiracy involving teenagers play-acting (have you never done teen theatre?) and yet they cannot fathom the entirely plausible conspiracy that Dick Cheney engineered 9/11.

LOL R64, many of them believe all of it. Even Dick's engineering.

The GUN is all and everything. the GUN must never be questioned. The GUN is god, and god is GUN. Any who question the GUN must be hated as the heretics they are.

At first I thought these kids were legit, but the facts are raising a lot of questions.

the only ones raising questions are fox news shutins and gun nuts. no thinking human being is raising any "questions" about anything, except the question of why we all are expected to be slaves to every NRA nutcase in the country.

Could someone do a thread asking if these moronic right wing nut job threads aiming to cause dissent and divide us are actually the job of:

Actual Americans - glbt or otherwise

Americans professionally employed to do it

Americans sitting alone, unloved and bitter in their parents’ basement, plaguing datalounge in between tossing off to various outre porn sites

Russian trolls

Russian bots

I mean - youve gotta pay to start threads - correct? Would some Russian tollfarm actually open some paid accounts? Can Muriel check?

I’m thinking it’s some home grown provocateur(s). Which is really sad when you think about I mean - imagine being them! What lives they must have. Miserable.

how rude to even imply asshole

they speak from the heart and from bein shot at !!

They don't have capes or good lighting: they are not crisis acting, although they may currently be vying for a part in regional theatre that may involve begging for porridge.

R69 you sound very experienced at this topic.

The MSM creates the vacuum for conspiracy theories when it doesn't investigate or provide any negative information at all about people that they favor. No one, including these kids, is a perfect human being. CNN should have provided the information about the kids' backgrounds and families. Since they didn't, people did their own amateur sleuthing to fill in the necessary details in order to properly understand what these slick acting kids were up to. The amateurs are the ones who exposed that the kids and their families were all left-wing malcontents and were not suddenly turned into activists by the shooting.

I was surprised to see the MSM (other than Fox) discussing crisis actors today.

Some teens have less than perfectly wingnut opinions. Therefore, all maniacs should be able to purchase AR-15s

Of course, R73 and R74 posted ONLY once, ONLY on this thread. Someone's a "crisis actor" here (or, to put it plainly, a right wing troll) but it's not the kids.

Thread fail, Boris. No borscht for you, OP!

There's one easy way to know whether they are crisis actors. Check the yearbook. Duh.

Grandpa's old barn being unavailable, Mickey, Judy, and the gang take their drama club show on the road to Ellen.

R79 = another one of our right-wing "crisis actors."

[quote] These kids come from affluent backgrounds

Sandy Hook, too. It's a nice town, affluent.

I think some of the deplorables really believe these people are actors because they are clean, well dressed, educated, erudite, not obese and have all their teeth. Deplorables don't know there are towns like that. They're used to their crummy towns with big bellied residents who have never seen a dermatologist or a cosmetic dentist and grunt one and two syllable words because using "big words" is getting above yourself.

So Hogg was already a left-wing agitator?

These kids all seem to be incarnations of Tracy Flick running for student body president.

It's amazing how many liberals know that JFK assassination and 9/11 were CIA operations, but they still want to disarm the law-abiding public so that people like Dick Cheney can declare themselves outright dictators and turn America into a Chinese slave labor camp.

Colbert responds. Hysterically

So, the deplorables are more concerned that these kids may be crisis actors rather than we've had yet another mass shooting where innocent people were shredded by a high-powered rifle? Are they insane, or just completely soulless?

Right, R84. The gun goons want to protect us from Republicanism.

r9, it doesn't matter, they are getting shit done. Shit that never could get done before.

Go generation Z

worse than insulting to every family that ever lost a loved one to gun violence

Whatever it takes.

On her Facebook page, Hogg's mother supports Planned Parenthood, the Women's March and anti-Trump statements. David indicated on his Twitter that he's an atheist. Supposedly, the father, who is the retired FBI agent, is a Republican, but that doesn't make sense with the left-leaning views of his wife and son. So maybe that's a smoke screen.

Fuck these Republicans. What a sick and twisted bunch of people when their reaction to a bunch of six year olds at Sandyhook getting gunned down and teenagers at the Parkland High School being murdered is to try to capitalize on the human misery with mockery and conspiracy.

Republicans have reduced themselves to a party of meme generators and “social experiment practitioners trolling society for lolz off human tragedy. It’s a game to them when kids are gunned down before recess and teens are slaughtered after English class. They get off on it, or they wouldn’t be eagerly trying to one up one another with the wackiness of their conspiracy attacks on people who managed to live through a shooter’s hail of bullets.

The GOP is the biggest club of mentally ill that exists. They promote it, develop it, coddle it, and encourage it. Mocking and devaluing murdered children and teens is a part of their culture.

Brainwashed by mom. G-d moved into kid's blindspot. That's no bueno. Explains that dead soul angry look in his eye.

R86 What kind of soul you be talking' about?

Hogg was on Joy Reid's show this morning. Def dead eye'd. Leaden look.

Trumpdad would have to be a crisis actor too. Do they think he was just thrown in to better complete the illusion?

CIA is fucking good at their job, R96. They overhrew democratically elected leaders in Guatemala and Iran. You think they couldn't get into your head?

[quote]On her Facebook page, Hogg's mother supports Planned Parenthood, the Women's March and anti-Trump statements.

So what?

[quote]David indicated on his Twitter that he's an atheist.

So what?

[quote] Supposedly, the father, who is the retired FBI agent, is a Republican, but that doesn't make sense with the left-leaning views of his wife and son.

Right because family members NEVER have differing political views.

[quote]So maybe that's a smoke screen.

For what, you blithering idiot?

Hogg is very suspicious for me. Right out of Central Casting. But I mean maybe it's all legit. I just don't know. Mom's FB page really raises questions for me. The shooting deaths of American children should not be political. I'm with the moms and dads burying their American babies.

In 2016 David's mother Rebecca proudly posted this picture of her son and daughter's grooming by CNN.

Omg she's Mama Rose! Here she is, boys! Hogg boy is a trained seal.

I’m waiting for the kids to be exposed as a bunch of Evan Hansens.

Guys, a lot of those kids are totally legit.

Why does Hogg's mother not have the same last name? Are the parents married? It's hard to know what's going on with that family.

[quote]Why does Hogg's mother not have the same last name?

Because that's So Old School. Or she divorced his father?

She's the classic political stage mom.

[quote]Colton Haab, 17, a member of the Junior ROTC who shielded students with Kevlar vests while the school was under attack from the shooter, said he decided not to attend the televised meeting after the network rejected a question he wanted to ask and presented him with one of their own.

Surprise, surprise ... the kid and his father lied. And they doctored the email. This is what the original email said:

[quote]"This is what Colton and I discussed on the phone [bold]that he submitted[/bold]." (Emphasis added.)

This is the version that the father doctored:

[quote]"This is what Colton and I discussed on the phone."

Notice any difference? It turns out that the real issue is that the kid's dad wanted him to give a fucking speech and CNN refused to go along with it. It also turns out, surprise, surprise, that the dad is a nut who wanted to arm teachers.

Yet CNN was just fine with prolonged pro gun control speeches pretending to be "questions". Curious.

Too bad that those "prolonged gun control speeches" mostly exist in your fevered imagination, R108. Read the email thread. They were prepared to give him some time to introduce himself and give a little background on his question. They weren't prepared to indulge him in a multi-page speech with an introduction, three separate questions, background on each, and a summation. So the dad and kid lied.

You people make me physically ill. Seventeen people are dead and you are buying into this garbage.

Well, right wing/NRA trolls are paid to parrot a certain line and try to create doubt where there's no reason for it. It's important now to malign the kids who are speaking about gun violence. Like we haven't seen that before: deflect, deflect, deflect!

There are only a couple of them, r110; one, in particular. Just f&f them and/or ignore them and move on. There is literally nothing you can say to someone like that. Notice how when R63 's story fell apart, rather than admit that he was conned, he immediately jumped to the response at R108. Still making shit up, still denying reality, still living in his own troll world.

No but they're drama students at the high school so they live for attention like this and so they will milk this controversy for as long as they can.

I don't think OP knows the meaning of "verbose." And no, they're not "crisis actors." Jesus.

Why are you attacking Colton? After what that kid went through. So offensive. So you don't agree with his point of view. So what? You want to silence this young trauma survivor? Typical.

Actually, dear, we're attacking you, with all of the lying and deflecting you're doing on this thread.

As for Colton and his dad, what the son "went through" doesn't excuse lying. I love how you are pretending that this is all because we "don't agree with his point of view." We don't like liars, dear. Do try to keep up.

B..but... you're throwing me off the script!!

Well, it's not like it's a particularly good script, R117. He's a really bad troll, in both this thread and the "Treason of Insanity" thread. On the one hand, it's nice to have trolls be so damn obvious. On the other hand, it would be nice to have one that wasn't a complete fool, as that would prove to be more of a challenge.

Still, we take what we get. The first-tier trolls are all over on Facebook. We have to accept that we get the ones who couldn't make the cut.

Honestly, early on, there were some inarticulate students giving interviews. Then I think they cherry-picked the more photogenic and better-for-PR kids to speak.

I’m certainly not buying the ridiculous notion that they’re “crisis actors”, but I do think there was a push to get certain kids on camera because they presented better.

It's my turn to shine. If I keep this momentum going I'll be starring on Broadway in Schindler's List in 4 years.

Ah, and now bad troll #2 decides to once again grace us with his presence at R120. Heaven forbid that he actually try to defend the bilge he writes. They really are pathetic, aren't they?

troll post

lol who is voting "yes" in this ridiculous poll?

Morons and conspiracy theorists, R123. But I repeat myself....

Daniel Hogg in talks to replace Joy Behar on The View. He's holding out for executive producer credit and a clause that the cameras will only capture him from the right or straight ahead.

Yes, R125; we got it the first time. Now do run along and play; the adults would like to have a conversation.

Who is Daniel Hogg?

Dear OP, stop being a fucking idiot.

I agree, r119, and the group they picked are coming across staged.  The earlier kids did come across far more genuine.  The boy at Trump's "listening meeting" who lost his best friend on his birthday had genuine emotion and was far more effective.  The spokeskids they have now seem like they are auditioning for a reality show.  The Buzzfeed article and photos was a turnoff.

Why is that so surprising? A message travels better if it's delivered by the articulate members of the group. Not everyone feels natural or comfortable in the spotlight so let the ones who do be the ones doing the talking.

Because it comes across incredibly phoney and staged, r130. I've said it before on these threads...it really comes across famewhorish. I've also noticed that the news is focusing less on them, with the exception of Hogg, in recent days and I wonder if it's because there isn't any genuine emotion coming from them.

And what exactly have *you* done to address the issue of school shootings besides bitching about kids who do talk about them, R131?

"I wonder if it's because there isn't any genuine emotion coming from them."

Jesus Christ, could you not hide your agenda a little better than that?

R131, why on earth are you surprised that the media is "focusing less on them?" Has the term "15 minutes of fame" escaped your notice all of these years?

As for the "genuine emotion," I suggest you check your biases at the door, as what you're saying on this thread says far more about you than it does about any of those kids.

I'd forgotten Harvey Weinstein's "apology" letter from last October.

[quote] I have goals that are now priorities. Trust me, this isn’t an overnight process. I’ve been trying to do this for 10 years, and this is a wake-up call. I cannot be more remorseful about the people I hurt, and I plan to do right by all of them. I am going to need a place to channel that anger, so I’ve decided that I’m going to give the NRA my full attention.

Of course...the whole thing was orchestrated by Harvey Weinstein. Why didn't I think of that? It's so obvious!

/s

And don't forget that it was funded by George Soros, r136!!!!

What have I done on the gun control issue, r132. I'd bet way more than you.

Note how our trolls really don't want to talk about what the kids are actually saying?

Of course not. The NRA-approved script doesn't give the instructions on how to handle that.

What's there to talk about, r139. I agree with the message. I have for years. I don't agree with the messengers in this case. As I said up thread the kid who lost his best friend was a far more effective messenger.

Receipts, please @R135/138.

I hope someone kills you, OP.

You first, r142. I'll wait.

Funny, r140, for someone who claims to "agree with the message," you seem to have a lot of trouble saying so. Instead, you'd rather talk about:

[quote]The buzzfeed pictures are creepy and famewhorish.

[quote]Sorry, r28, I've had frieds die tragically and not once did I "pose" for the camera like the buzzfeed article. It's creepy and famewhorish.

[quote]I think the kids are in it for their 15-minutes and maybe a reality show

And six other posts, all of which basically say the same thing. So you don't know these kids, you have no data to back up anything you're saying, you can't come up with anything that they're doing wrong, you have written nothing at all about what they are saying, and yet you care enough about this to attack them, over and over again.

Weird how that works.

Yes, r145, I've been very consistent that I don't like the messengers. I did find the Buzzfeed photoshoot creepy. Not liking the messenges in this case has ZERO to do with the message. There is a difference between the two.

I support all the kids who are actual survivors. What a terrible thing to go through.

When you obsessively attack the messenger, R146, without ever once saying that you agree with the message, that does tend to reduce your credibility. Even more so when your objections are childish and without merit.

R147, at least own your earlier comments calling Hogg dead eyed, leadened and a trained seal.

R148, I have agreed with the message on other threads. This thread is about if the messengers are "crisis actors", which I don't think they are and have said so up thread. Not every thread needs to be about the message, and this particular thread itself is about the messengers and not the message. I think you might be posting in the wrong thread if you want a focus on the message.

Harvey Weinstein loves gun control because he's passionate about empowering women with authentic feelings of safety.

I stand by what I wrote in r148 and repeat that your objections are childish and without merit.

I stand by Harvey Weinstein, and his celebration of the Jewish armed resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

Not crisis actors but I got to get it out- David Hogg is annoying the hell out of me. I think he thinks he deserves to be voted President next election, Go away you wonderful young fellla.

He's a little Greitens in training. Craven ambitious opportunist. Shooting is best thing that ever happened to his stage mom. It's like Manchurian Candidate. Raymond the dead-eyed golden boy. Mother the handler. Who pushed Cruz to act? Mama is Hogg Boss.

Was "Joe The Plumber" a crisis actor?? Hmmmmm.

So the "Delta" is trending among Russian bots because Delta and United are ending their NRA discount programs. Interesting how it all connects--Russia funnels money into American politics via the NRA. The Parkland kids have helped focused attention on the NRA. No wonder the little bots and right-wing stooges are spinning conspiracies to discredit these kids.

No shame, of course, and zero sense of right and wrong.

And, I standby ALL my comments, r151. I'll even add one -- calling someone childish because they don't share your opinion is, in fact, childish. And I think your opinion is without merit. So there.

R157, contrary opinion is not allowed here. You didn't get the memo. DL Orthodoxy is total.

The funny thing about Weinstein is that he told Piers Morgan after Sandy Hook that he wouldn't make violent movies anymore....then went back on that when he released The Hateful Eight

LOL.... Yes, of course you do, R157; your obsession is duly noted. I called your comments childish and without merit because they are, in fact, childish and without merit.

[quote]contrary opinion is not allowed here

Correction, R158: stupidity is not allowed here. Actually, that's not correct: you're free to be as stupid as you like. And we'll continue to point out and laugh at the stupidity.

Based on R158's other posts, he knows a lot about stupidity....

OP, please die. Thanks.

America. What a weird place it is!

Geeze, r160, I wouldn't talk obsession. You seem awfully obsessed with my comments.

Can't help it, R165. Stupidity amuses me.

I guess we have something in common then, r166. I find you amusing, particularly your need to shout down people who don't share your opinion. Are you Emma? Is that why you are so offended?

Dear heart, I'm not "shouting you down," since my voice has precisely the same volume yours does. Is reality always this much trouble for you to handle? I'm simply having fun with an obsessive troll who makes up shit about people he doesn't know.

David Hogg is worse than Hitler.

CNN has done staged shit before, That doesn't mean the events that happened were faked.

There are some Parkland families demanding release of CNN ad buy stats from days leading up. It's all very fishy.

Is this batch of trolls of Alex Jones provenance? Shouldn't they be buying chocolate-flavored chicken bone broth instead of being here spouting nonsense?

It's been a week; get over it and move on.

David Hogg is amazing and has done more good in two weeks of his 18th year than 99% of people accomplish in a lifetime.

So please do fuck off!

PUNCH AND DELETE THIS RUSSIAN TROLL THREAD.

Delete this thread!!!

R168, you clearly have no understanding of fact and opinion. I'm giving my opinion and have presented it as opinion and not facts. So, no, sweetpea, I'm not "making shit up".

And, again, you seem to be obsessing over me. And you're not even being smart about it. Learn the difference between a fact and an opinion.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaas R176. That says it all! Sick famewhores

It will be interesting to see if the budding megalomaniac Hogg pisses of the wrong people. Now he's attacking Florida tourism, encouraging people to boycott the state. Let's see if the state's businesses like him after that.

What's that smell? Oh it's white male privilege.

R180 I only smell your B.O.

R179 Yeah he's taking a page out of Rose's playbook...start with noble intentions then hijack the discussion and slowly make everything about himself.

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No, OP, but you're a crisis poster.

Your existential dissonance will break you when you learn about Vladimir Putin's actual heritage.

К Кремлю идет восставшая колонна

В ФСБшных кабинетах взрываются окна.

Суки ссут за красными стенами

Riot объявляют Аборт Системе!

So how do you audition to be a 'crisis actor"? Is that under a negotiated AEA contract? ... or a letter of agreement?

You have to fuck Harvey Weinstein.

OP = ignorant redneck from West Virginia, Missouri, or Alabama.

It's probably wrong to focus on the notion of crisis actors who show up at multiple tragedies, when the focus should be on first-time (and maybe only time) crisis acting. We've all had several decades of viewing many, many big tragedies and we have a pretty good feel for how the thousands of people we have seen on the news react. With the behavior of these kids, this generation is introducing something new in front of the camera. We haven't seen this before where the people who have been killed have been completely obscured by other people who want to get as much time on camera as possible to push their own future careers. In a way though, it seems like the natural extension of the selfie generation, whose first instinct is to point the camera at themselves instead of at what is in front of them. We've raised a generation of extreme narcissists.

Great. I wonder how much all of the minimum wage workers in the service industry will love Davey’s call for tourists to boycott Florida. Megalomaniac idiot this boy has become,

R129, exactly. I saw one girl who was ugly-crying, choking out her words pitifully, but didn’t she’d a single tear. I have kids and I spend all day with kids. It’s not hard to spot a fake cry. It really pissed me off. Just SAY what you have to SAY, we don’t need the theatrics and (lame attempts at) emotional manipulation. That shit doesn’t work on me.

There was the young man who was genuine and it was moving

R188 I agree. We've heard more about David Hogg and the bald girl than the actual victims. Kind of sad when you think about it.

I hope someone kills you, R143.

I hope David Hogg "interns" with DTM ASAP.

It should be pretty easy to prove/disprove all this 'crisis actor' bullshit. Show us the yearbook!

R194 You can't even trust yearbooks anymore

[quote]We haven't seen this before where the people who have been killed have been completely obscured by other people who want to get as much time on camera as possible to push their own future careers.

They want time on camera to push for sane gun laws in our country so more kids won't end up shot to death, you fucking freak. As for the people who have been killed already, what do you suggest? Should we prop up their corpses in front of the camera to be sure they aren't "completely obscured" by the living people trying to prevent more murders? Maybe film "Weekend at Bernies: the School Shooting Edition"?

Is this place overrun with Russian bots or just garden-variety gay American idiots?

R196

In every other shooting the news focused on the victims. We got to see their faces and hear their stories through their family. This time around the focus is on the same five students.

LOL you sound just like one of those Alex Jones fembots. That's exactly what they sound like. Brava! Good job.

That clearly hit a nerve with you. Not sure why either. Nothing horrible was said other than the focus is on the same five students. Do you think there would be threads about them being crisis actors if the media didn't focus so much on the same people?

OP apparently has never seen intelligent, articulate kids. What a shame.

Why is this Russian troll thread not greyed out? Muriel!

mmhm. I totally believe you R199. Totally. You're not doing anything obvious at all . No ma'am. Totally believe you.

Really hit a nerve there. Notice that you skipped the question too.

[quote] Do you think there would be threads about them being crisis actors if the media didn't focus so much on the same people?

About this five? No. You'd merely be denigrating a larger group of more anonymous individuals, like you did with Sandy Hook victims.

Where did I say anything about the Sandy Hook victims? Sandy Hook was hugely sad. The parents weren't out for face time. The media also didn't focus on the same five people. I also knew more about the children in Sandy Hook because the media made them real for viewers. They weren't statistics.

mmmhmm R203. I'm sure your true goal it to really have a question answered. Yes I'm positive you have no other goal whatsoever. I totally believe you.

In other words, you've pulled shit out of your ass by bringing Sandy Hook into it and now your stuck.

Hilarious. It's almost as if there wasn't a point to bringing in Sandy Hook. Except there was. Here. Let me spell it out for you.

You Alex Jones assholes bitch if kids speak out to the media against gun violence after the shooting in Parkland. You accuse them of being crisis actors.

You Alex Jones assholes bitch if parents are weeping for their slain children on TV but don't speak out. You accuse them of being crisis actors.

In other words, no matter what happens, you will bitch about the survivors, silent or on camera, because you are assholes.

So go fuck your guns.

I don't own a gun. I don't agree with the NRA. I believe Sandy Hook was real. I think Alex Jones is an asshole.

Keep pulling shit out of your ass and having a tantrum because I don't agree with you on this.

mmhm . I totally believe you R209.

[quote] [R196] In every other shooting the news focused on the victims. We got to see their faces and hear their stories through their family. This time around the focus is on the same five students.

If you are interested in the victims, every major new outlet has run profiles of them as usual. Example below.

The surviving students are getting lots of attention because the this is the first time the actual survivors of a school shooting have organized and gone into action to fight for gun control. We're seeing the same five students a lot because they're bright and articulate and some have previous experience with activism, so naturally, they've emerged as leaders/spokespersons—as somebody almost always does in situations like this. There's nothing fishy or suspicious about it.

I used to dismiss the notion that a bunch of Russian troll farmers with laughable English skills actually had an impact on the outcome of the 2016 election, but seeing how easily some Americans are led by the nose to believe in bullshit like this "crisis actor" conspiracy theory, I have to wonder.

[quote]Nothing horrible was said other than the focus is on the same five students

And if that were true, you might have a point. It isn't. Next talking point?

Hogg was on the telly yet again with George Stephanaoulis this morning. Geez enough is enough with this famewhore. Talk about giving even more ammunition , pardon the expression, to our Republican enemies.

It seemed like Hogg was reading a TelePrompTer during interview. I've never seen a guest get that kind of extra help there. Did his mother make that part of the deal? He's our newest child star.

[quote] This time around the focus is on the same five students.

Carefully selected student sockpuppets to push an ideological issue. Not the girl who said days ago the coach who died protecting them could have defended the students if he had been allowed to carry his gun. No sit-down with Ellen or Stephanaoulis for her. The difference between reporting and a propaganda campaign.

[quote]Why is this Russian troll thread not greyed out? Muriel!

Beats me. Some weeks ago my posts that were of all things about Chris Pratt being an asshole to animals started getting greyed out in a few minutes after posting, and I was apparently banned automatically after receiving so many ff's. Later those posts were completely removed. I hadn't realized earlier that there are trolls here who've perfected the workflow to get rid of the posts and posters they dislike. I assume that either there were a great number of people ff'ing my posts or one or two people were using multiple computers or subscriptions to drown me in ff's. I suspect it's probably the latter. It doesn't cost that much to buy let's say 20 subscriptions for a month. With that kind of arsenal it's easy to get rid of any post you don't like. And this happened to me multiple times in that one thread, even if I cleared the cookies and logged back in as a subscriber. I made a new post and a few minutes later my post would get greyed out and I'd get banned. This didn't happen with all posts but only with those that were apparently too critical of the right wing darling Pratt, and I assume the cunt behind it all was some Nazi who couldn't stand his hero being dissed. Had I not been a subscriber I wouldn't have been able to keep posting, and since my IP wasn't banned it was obvious the banning was an automated thing based on the ff's a single post was getting.

It's extremely sad then that threads like this which are just total alt-right/Alex Jones bullshit get to stay.

[quote]No sit-down with Ellen or Stephanaoulis for her. The difference between reporting and a propaganda campaign.

Yup, but not the way you think. What that girl said was complete bullshit.

I love, by the way, that you have decided that she was banned from the networks, even though you have no data to back up that opinion. Has it occurred to you, perchance, that she was asked and that she declined?

"Hogg was on the telly yet again with George Stephanaoulis this morning. Geez enough is enough with this famewhore."

Yeah...I'm sure he pushed his way onto the show and was not invited. And for fuck's sake, learn how to spell Stephanopoulos.

"It seemed like Hogg was reading a TelePrompTer during interview. I've never seen a guest get that kind of extra help there. Did his mother make that part of the deal? He's our newest child star."

Step 1: assume something not in evidence. Step 2: extrapolate something from that assumption. Step 3: come up with an entire conspiracy based on that extrapolation (which was based on the unfounded assumption). Conspiracy theory 101 in a nutshell.

Yup. Just like the assumptions they make about "same five students," even though they have no data to support their assumptions. Or the rabid accusations about "famewhores," despite not having any data to support that, either.

What is left unsaid is exactly why it's a terrible thing to want publicity for a cause you support? Every cause starts with someone who fights for publicity for the cause. A true "fame whore" example would be something like the Kardashians, every move designed to bring attention (and money) to their brand.

Someone who fervently espouses a political cause is not, by definition, a "fame whore." They are activists. And it's not in conflict for an activist to also reap personal benefit. These kids will absolutely have some personal gain from their actions, with universities interested in them, for example, or getting a foothold for a future journalism career. Why am I supposed to be bothered by this?

Because they will be making bank off the backs of their slaughtered classmates. That’s why. It’s unseemly.

I just cancelled my Amazon Prime membership. Amazon carries the BE A channel on their devices. Boycott Amazon.

I hope they get as much good publicity as possible. Because the NRA and the gun crazies will be 24/7 trying to discredit and destroy them.

The idea of schools boycotting Florida for spring break is an excellent one. If it's too late for this year, they should definitely rebook all trips for next year until Florida enacts saner gun laws. Money talks.

Amazon needs to boycott any state that doesn't have sane gun laws when it comes to picking their new hq. It's shocking Bezos is doing so little right now.

[quote]Because they will be making bank off the backs of their slaughtered classmates. That’s why. It’s unseemly.

I think you have a different definition of "making bank" and "unseemly" than everyone else does. They are working to prevent future "slaughtered classmates," which is the opposite of "unseemly."

What's "unseemly" are the pols who spew nonsense because they're afraid of the NRA. And of course "the major bank" the NRA gives them.

That's very, very unseemly.

My stubby index finger accidently poked yes. I hope the 16% who chose that have a similar excuse. Otherwise, Infowhores may be a better place for them.

Yes, OP, some of them are.

I think most of them are legit survivors. I hope they get the help they need.

They need help not to be spoiled brats, whose parents have likely indulged their every whim. Also, they’re not super kids, who can achieve far beyond what kids their age would struggle to try to do. They are being bankrolled and supported by powerful people off camera who are using the kids as spokespeople. The public has the right to know who is pulling the strings and putting up the money and the news media is not wanting to look at that.

I just love how our trolls blindly make up shit and hope that nobody notices. Look at R229. He cannot back up a single statement in that rant. He has no idea whether these kids are "spoiled brats" or not. He cannot point anyone who has "bankrolled and supported" them. It's all just mindless bigotry, devoid of reason and humanity.

How do you know he can't back it up? This is a gossip site not a courtroom. I have no doubt these kids gave caught the eye of Gabby Giffords, the Sandy Hook folks. You don't think they've sent support and talking points. These movements are hustles. These little orphan Annie's are looking for Dday Warbucks.

I know because I've read a selection of the hottest wingnut sites, R231, including the Gateway Pundit, who never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like. None of these idiots can back up the shit they're spewing, just as you can't back up your own shit.

Here's a free clue: doubling down on the bullshit doesn't make it any less bullshit.

r229 take a look at who is pulling the strings:

Oh, it's you, R231; I should have known. Shouldn't you be trying to persuade people just how much you want Democrats to win in 2018 even though you're terribly, terribly concerned about their chances?

Funny... you claimed to have blocked me in that other thread.

I love it when a bigot reveals himself. You don't have to do anything; just point at their posts and then stand back.

The original "crisis actors." This tactic goes back a long way, used in 1957 in Little Rock and, based on the article, all the way back to shortly after the Civil War, when former slaves testified before Congress and were accused of being stooges paid to lie about their experiences.

[quote]“It’s the same idea,” Richardson said. “That anybody who doesn’t agree with establishment politics must have no agency, be corrupt or not understand what they are doing.”

[quote]“The motivations then were obviously driven by race,” Kruse said. “I don’t think that’s a factor here. What they have in common, though, was a belief that these people protesting could not be protesting on their own.”

You honestly think the gun safety people haven't noticed these kids? That's just common sense. If I were gabby Giffords I would reach out. Never let a crisis go to waste, so says Rahm Emmanuel.

Some of the responses on Twitter to this news are amusing:

Death Bush II: "So ... does anyone know where I can sign up to get into this lucrative paid protestor business? Is there a handshake?"

Jacob Remes: I've been sending invoice after invoice to George Soros, and he never pays up.

Kevin M. Kruse: You might need to fill out a (((W-9))). Check with Linda in HR.

Thank you for confirming that you can't back up your rather slimy accusations, R238.

Here's a free clue: doubling down on the bullshit doesn't make it any less bullshit.

I didn't make any accusations, dear heart. I just said that I don't know the whole story. And that these kids are part of a national movement. Stop attacking everyone who doesn't goose step along with you.

"Stop attacking everyone who doesn't goose step along with you."

Because you are so fair and balanced, right? Calling a poster a Nazi demonstrates that, right?

Where’s the evidence that no political partisans and/or gun control supporters have put up any money or provided any logistics to help the kids? This isn’t a movie where we all suspend disbelief.

"Where’s the evidence that no political partisans and/or gun control supporters have put up any money or provided any logistics to help the kids?"

No, kiddo, that's not how it works. You don't get to make up an accusation with no evidence then demand someone prove it's not true.

For example, where is the proof you aren't fucking a goat right now?

[quote]I didn't make any accusations, dear heart. I just said that I don't know the whole story.

LOL... Dear heart, has it really escaped your notice that we can see your prior posts? That's how you got outed as a troll on that other thread. Let's go to the tape, shall we?

[quote]At first I thought these kids were legit, but the facts are raising a lot of questions.

[quote]Brainwashed by mom. G-d moved into kid's blindspot. That's no bueno. Explains that dead soul angry look in his eye.

[quote]Hogg was on Joy Reid's show this morning. Def dead eye'd. Leaden look.

[quote]Hogg is very suspicious for me. Right out of Central Casting.

[quote]Omg she's Mama Rose! Here she is, boys! Hogg boy is a trained seal.

[quote]He's a little Greitens in training. Craven ambitious opportunist. Shooting is best thing that ever happened to his stage mom. It's like Manchurian Candidate. Raymond the dead-eyed golden boy. Mother the handler. Who pushed Cruz to act? Mama is Hogg Boss.

[quote]It seemed like Hogg was reading a TelePrompTer during interview. I've never seen a guest get that kind of extra help there. Did his mother make that part of the deal? He's our newest child star.

[quote]I have no doubt these kids gave caught the eye of Gabby Giffords, the Sandy Hook folks. You don't think they've sent support and talking points. These movements are hustles. These little orphan Annie's are looking for Dday Warbucks.

[quote]You honestly think the gun safety people haven't noticed these kids? That's just common sense. If I were gabby Giffords I would reach out. Never let a crisis go to waste, so says Rahm Emmanuel.

You really are a rather stupid troll, aren't you?

Not surprisingly, you have no evidence that the kids are doing what they’re doing with no outside help.

I don't see any accusations there. Hogg is a little Greitens. Ambitious with a stage mom. Those are OBSERVATIONS. And the leaden look in his eye is a FACT.

Dear heart, we aren't the ones making the accusations. You are. Not surprisingly, you have no evidence that the kids are doing what they are doing with outside help.

[quote] Hogg is very suspicious for me.

Nice, but we don't care that you non-Americans think there are "crisis actors."

[quote]I don't see any accusations there. Hogg is a little Greitens. Ambitious with a stage mom. Those are OBSERVATIONS. And the leaden look in his eye is a FACT.

Dear heart, doubling down on the bullshit doesn't make it any less bullshit. And no, dear, that's not a FACT. It's rank stupidity and vile accusations. Do try to keep up.

"Not surprisingly, you have no evidence that the kids are doing what they’re doing with no outside help."

What exactly would that "evidence" look like?

Yup, you nailed it, R249. The speech patterns on this and his other threads certainly seem to demonstrate that English is not his first language.

Do have some pity, though; the poor guy has been putting in some major overtime these past few days.

Yeah, "sick famewhores" isn't an accusation. Clearly.

Fox News is all Jewed up too

Calling someone a famewhore would by its nature always be an observation and an opinion.

Because you can "observe" the inner workings of people's minds?

It's good to know that the NRA money is going towards funding Russian and Macedionian underemployed. At least someone benefits.

I just said he had dead-eyes. Leaden. Like Raymond from MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. Not an accusation of anything. It's a movie. Ambitious mother. Leaden son ready for mission.

[quote]Calling someone a famewhore would by its nature always be an observation and an opinion.

No, dear; calling someone a "sick famewhore" is an accusation, and a rather vile one at that. And it has escaped nobody's notice that you cannot back up this baseless accusation any more than you can any of your other accusations.

LOL... I love how this moron thinks that R259 is an exoneration. Instead, he just dug that hole deeper and deeper.

Still waiting for you to show any evidence at all. And waiting.... and waiting.... and waiting....

Looking at the photos of Hogg in the thread about those on DL who want to have sex with him, he does seem scary. He would be the leader of the killers in Lord of the Flies.

r261 He's probably MK-Ultra victim, like the Santa Barbara false flag killer crisis actor. They even look and act alike!

Can we please get some smarter trolls?

Check out these 9/11 "hijacker" crisis actors recording their fake Jihad videos and trying to keep a straight face.. Ziad Jarrah's brother and cousin were both busted for being spies for Israel in Lebanon.

Lebanese in Shock Over Arrest of an Accused Spy By ROBERT F. WORTHFEB. 18, 2009

Continue reading the main storyShare This Page Share Tweet Email More Save MARAJ, Lebanon — For 25 years, Ali al-Jarrah managed to live on both sides of the bitterest divide running through this region. To friends and neighbors, he was an earnest supporter of the Palestinian cause, an affable, white-haired family man who worked as an administrator at a nearby school.

To Israel, he appears to have been a valued spy, sending reports and taking clandestine photographs of Palestinian groups and Hezbollah since 1983.

Now he sits in a Lebanese prison cell, accused by the authorities of betraying his country to an enemy state. Months after his arrest, his friends and former colleagues are still in shock over the extent of his deceptions: the carefully disguised trips abroad, the unexplained cash, the secret second wife.

It is not the family’s first brush with notoriety. One of Mr. Jarrah’s cousins, Ziad al-Jarrah, was among the 19 hijackers who carried out the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, though the men were 20 years apart in age and do not appear to have known each other well.

Still pulling shit out r209. There is no reason for me to make up anything in a post if I had another agenda. It wouldn't make any sense to post opposite of what I want people to believe. But you're not do bright so I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

R211 I don't have CNN. I'm a cord cutter.

R212 except you're wrong. Link to a post from me that backs you up. You can't.

Dear heart, as repeatedly noted above, I don't have to prove you wrong; you have to prove you right. You can't.

My posting history proves me right. You lose.

This is a troll thread, only a provocative foreign agent or GOP shithead could even ask this question.

Muriel ban this poster.

Your posting history, dear, doesn't prove jack shit. You lose.

It proves you can't backup one thing you said about me. Loser.

LOL... .It proves you can't back up one thing you wrote on this thread. Loser.

I never posted anything that needs backing up. You know this too because you haven't pulled out the relevant posts.

Yes, dear, you did. It's easy enough to bring it up:

[quote]In every other shooting the news focused on the victims. We got to see their faces and hear their stories through their family. This time around the focus is on the same five students.

[quote]Nothing horrible was said other than the focus is on the same five students. Do you think there would be threads about them being crisis actors if the media didn't focus so much on the same people?

[quote]The parents weren't out for face time. The media also didn't focus on the same five people.

Now what was that you were saying?

Except that it's true. A thread like this wouldn't exist if it weren't.

All the Sunday news show had the same five students last week. All throughout the week the network World News focused on the same five students. You can find each online. This week it was just Hogg on Stephanoplis.

There's even proof in this very thread. There are links above focus on the same five students. These same five students were everywhere so much that buzzfeed featured them.

R13, just fuck off once and for all. You’re sick, and you can’t see it. Honestly, a person like you is of no use to society. I hope a crisis actor runs you over on their way to their next audition, you ridiculous, paranoid, sociopathic, cunt.

This thread would exist regardless of what happened with any of those students. Check out R237; it's happened over and over again for over a century. Every time we have such an event and someone speaks out, they are immediately attacked and one of the accusations is always that they are "paid actors" or some such nonsense.

Thank you for confirming that you cannot back up your silliness.

r277 believes the lie that Jews were turned into lampshades and soap, and that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust despite the evidence only showing less than 100,000.

And Elie Weisel was a crisis actor. No tattoo, and totally fictional "memoirs".

And even if your assertion, that these five students are being focused on to the exclusion of all else, were true, so what? A group of students (much more than five) got together and decided that they had had enough and that the time had come for action. Why is that a problem? Why should we not instead be applauding the energy, enthusiasm, and effectiveness of their campaign?

If you have a problem with what they are saying, then by all means reference their arguments and refute them. To personally attack them, with no evidence of any wrongdoing on their part, or anyone else's, is the work of a coward.

I most certainly did back up my post. You just aren't happy that it's true.

[quote]r277 believes the lie that Jews were turned into lampshades and soap, and that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust despite the evidence only showing less than 100,000.

Run along, dear, and take your medication. The grownups are having a conversation.

[quote]I most certainly did back up my post.

LOL.... Of course you didn't. Here's a free clue for you: mindlessly regurgitating your accusations doesn't make them any more true than when you first spewed them.

r281 believes that history isn't twisted by the winners of wars.

'Who wants to be a Holocaust survivor? Here's the script, report to Nuremberg!"

Go have a tantrum with someone else r282. Your foot stamping is getting old.

The posts you pulled were me saying the students were everywhere. I gave you backup for those comments. Not my problem you don't like that I was able to back it up. You cannot deny (although you are dumb enough to try) all the programming the students appeared on. It's all there for your viewing pleasure.

R279 get your facts straight. I never personally attacked anyone.

Dear heart, do I need to explain to you what "LOL" means. You amuse me, dear. I'm not even remotely "throwing a tantrum." Like the rest of your accusations on this thread, you're simply making shit up.

[quote]I gave you backup for those comments.

No, dear, you didn't. But it's amusing that you are just so terribly, terribly certain that you did.

[quote]R279 get your facts straight. I never personally attacked anyone.

Dear heart, we do have our "facts" straight, although "facts" certainly seem to be something you continue to struggle with. You attacked these kids, insisting, for example, that this thread was a direct result of their actions rather than it being the paranoid conspiracy theories of a troll, just as your own accusations are.

And what I wrote at R279 still stands and it's something you have no answer for.

You're really foaming at the mouth. It's now getting amusing.

I don't know what more backup you want. It's true. The same five students were all over the news. I'm not sure why this fact bothers you so much.

Saying a thread like this exists because the students were ubiquitous is hardly an attack.

Take your meds. You obviously need them.

The dear heart troll cannot bear contrary thought. It's a white privilege thing. Once he renders his final verdict, no contradiction will be tolerated. (Very Trumplike in that way.). Plus he's a douchebag snob.

LOL... I love how you decide that someone is "foaming at the mouth" when they're laughing their asses off at your silliness. It's all a part of your modus operandi, of course; just make shit up and then get all indignant when you get called on it.

[quote]I don't know what more backup you want. It's true.

Dear heart, mindlessly regurgitating your bullshit doesn't make it any more true than you first spewed it. You really should read that again until you actually get it.

[quote]Saying a thread like this exists because the students were ubiquitous is hardly an attack.

I was actually doing you a favor, dear; assuming that you were intelligent enough to know what you were doing. If you'd rather the statement be called out as incredibly stupid instead, I'm fine with that.

[quote]Take your meds. You obviously need them.

I'm ever so touched by your concern, dear but, if it's all the same to you, I'm having too much fun watching you tie yourself in knots. And even more fun watching you engage in these rather pathetic personal attacks because you cannot handle what I write, like the post at R279, which you still do not have any answer for.

[quote]The dear heart troll cannot bear contrary thought.

There's a key word there that you're missing, dear: thought. I'm fine with "thought," particularly when it's backed up by data. I get amused at the mindless drivel that a troll like you spews, though, devoid of thought, devoid of reason, devoid of data.

R287

And to think this is all because I wrote that the same five students are everywhere and I would like to see more attention paid to the 17 dead.

The dear heart troll is like a dog hit by a stupid stick.

You do have trouble remembering what you actually wrote, don't you, R290? Here you go again.

[quote]In every other shooting the news focused on the victims. We got to see their faces and hear their stories through their family. This time around the focus is on the same five students.

[quote]Nothing horrible was said other than the focus is on the same five students. Do you think there would be threads about them being crisis actors if the media didn't focus so much on the same people?

[quote]The parents weren't out for face time. The media also didn't focus on the same five people.

He tried to argue that the "crisis actor" accusations are just because of the focus on those particular students...but that's a little disingenuous since the whole crisis actor theory of school shootings really took off with Sandy Hook, which even he admits doesn't fit this description. Nutty conspiracy theorists are going to believe in a conspiracy no matter what.

If you are referring to my posts r292. I never said the students were crisis actors. I don't think they are.

R291. This was my first post. Everything else was me answering who I think is you attacking me for writing this:

[quote]In every other shooting the news focused on the victims. We got to see their faces and hear their stories through their family. This time around the focus is on the same five students.

What do you think that means? Hint, it means:

[quote]...that the same five students are everywhere and I would like to see more attention paid to the 17 dead.

Post again to show us that reading comprehension isn't you thing.

The dear heart troll perceives any slight divergence from his orthodoxy as an attack. Not one word can be out of place. This is a white man thing. If you are not in full accord, you are an enemy. (Eg, Trump or Bannon.)

You're not kidding. It really comes across as mental illness.

So R293 do you conspiracy theorists have a secret handshake or code word? That's would be cool.

I don't think it's mental illness. Bless his heart, he is not a young man. He is intellectual inflexible. He is used to holding forth and being "right." He is not without charm. However, his certainty is not his friend.

It's plausible r297.

Although it looks like he has a friend at r296.

Two intellectually inflexible people?

So no handshake or codeword? When ever you see tinfoil do you get slightly erect?

I don't know r299. You'd need to ask an actual conspiracy theorist. As previously stated:

- I believe Sandy Hook is real.

- I think Alex Jones is an asshole.

- I don't think the students are crisis actors.

To add to the above: - I don't think the government blew up the WTC.

- I don't think chemtrails are biological agents.

- I don't think The Coca Cola Company went with New Coke to drive up sales for the original formula.

- I don't believe in the illuminati or NWO.

- I don't think Soros is the root of all evil.

- I never believed in pizza gate.

- I believe the vast majority of negative info about the Clinton's is false or highly exaggerated.

- I believe the Russians played a big role in creating disinformation this past election.

- Barack Obama is an American and not a Muslim.

The jury is still out for me, however, on UFOs and the JFK's assignation.

I think we know that JFK had many assignations.

And try not to assault them with gentle reality. Their brains will not accept it. They are blind and deaf to anything but their own fapping cortex.

That's funny. I didn't catch that spelling error. It does fit in context of Kennedy though.

The grieving survivors backstage at "Ellen".

So...they need to be grieving 24/7?

This is the first time in my life that I've come to despise some survivors of a tragic event. This set of privileged kids who are milking the tragedy for their own purpose are really loathsome.

sorry if this has been posted already >>

A photo I saw on Twitter that has Hogg with a photoshopped Hitler mustache makes him look scarier, although it didn't seem contrary to his character.

OP:

They must be really scaring the gun lovers to generate such vitriol. I just hope short attention span America doesn't move to the next scandal/mass murder too soon.

Thanks for the answers R300. But you didn't answer the question about getting a little erect when you see tinfoil.

the darling Hogg boy is in morning joe now, in black t shirt.

cute !!

I so admire his courage to keep speaking against the g dam NRA and their creepy followers.

bless u david,, I contributed to ur cause, best of luck !

Love this guy.

Millenials are the hope of the future.

they will vote the fuks out of office.

Not crisis actors per se, but hand picked, and when the time is right, spirited off and groomed to effectively communicate the narrative of of the day, i.e., stricter gun control. Remember "Nurse Niyarah," whose testimony about babies being tossed out of their incubators? It helped solidify US support for the Gulf war. Check the bios on the parents of these kids if you want to connect the dots.

To the assholes upstream, who are labeling the OP as a conspiracy nut, if you only knew...If you only knew. Go crack a history book (you know, those big rectangular shape things with pages) to see how the US has historically manipulated industry, politics and the press in other countries to further its agendas, then come back and tell us, "oh, but nothing like that could ever happen in America, at least not under my watch. Nothing goes down without me being consulted first. I'm a very important person, don't you know?" Ok, Sergey?

The average Datalounger views herself as part of the Democratic elite, from her 90 square foot apartment in "Manhattan", aka Harlem.

R312, these kids are not millennials. They are GenZ with GenX parents.

So does Hogg and the bald girl still go to school or is this their full time job now?

Emma is working on her Twitter following. She won't be calling BS on that money honey!

[quote]To the assholes upstream, who are labeling the OP as a conspiracy nut, if you only knew.

We do know. And the fact that you're even more of a loon does not make the OP look any better.

r318 believes Dick Cheney's 9/11 conspiracy theory.

[quote]You're not kidding. It really comes across as mental illness.

I love how you equate someone disagreeing with you as "mental illness." It says far more about you than it does about anyone else.

[quote] I love how you equate someone disagreeing with you as "mental illness." It says far more about you than it does about anyone else.

Nothing much new in totalitarian thinking. The KGB blazed the trail.

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