Peggy Cass

She was so grating on To Tell The Truth.

And never wore the designer couture like I did.

She had a career as an actress though. She was able to make money. That’s all that matters.

She Lived!

But what does she do now?

I'd forgive her anything after her brilliant Agnes Gootch. Sadly, it was all downhill after that.

She had "BJ Voice."

Her career was not nearly so bleak as OP would have us think, She worked a lot.

Acting careers are best measured by the frequency of employment and the amount of money earned, not but the quality of the individual jobs. Actors don't make the casting decisions and they take what is offered or they don't work at all.

She was a lousy lay.

According to Jack Paar, speaking in retrospect, he felt he may have ruined Cass's Oscar chances by lobbying too much for her on his enormously popular television series The Tonight Show. Cass filled in as announcer for Paar's late night talk show that aired in the 1970s on ABC.

no children = lesbian

[quote] But what does she do now?

She's fertilizer. She died in 1999.

"If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium." (1:43)

Hate how he mispronounces Montreux. It's not Montreaux.

Aww. I liked Peggy.

She was nominated for an Oscar op. Please respect the nominees. (and she won a Tony Award and had a pretty great stage career.)

I liked her chatty, bubbly self on To Tell the Truth. She was also good in Auntie Mame and If It's Tuesday...

She was brilliant in "Gidget Goes Hawaiian".

Wendy Hiller's Oscar win for that POS Separate Tables was a joke. Peg wuz robbed.

She didn't want to move to LA, so her work was limited to TTTT and Jack Paar at the end. She was indeed the antithesis of the elegant, cultured Kitty Carlisle. On one memorable episode, Cass downed a stein of beer and then belched afterwards. She was Piggy Cass.

I imagine her in a longterm relationship with Charlotte Rae

[quote](and she won a Tony Award and had a pretty great stage career.)

I won every Tony Award and male actor can win for acting

I wonder if she privately thought that Kitty was ridiculous.

She only got into show biz because of her nickname "Peggy's Ass"

Girled Loses > Boyd Gaines

Holy shit! In that clip from "If It's Tuesday, It Must Be Belgium," the scene where Sandy Baron is asking the counter girl if he can get a refund - the counter girl is Karen Black! This would have been a year or two before "Five Easy Pieces".

She had a role on The Doctors for a little over a year in 1978-79 playing hospital tech Sweeney.

R27 That bit player is Karen Blackish...but not Karen Black.

And in "If It's Tuesday...." Reva Rose, the short darked haired tourist, the one who gets on the wrong tour bus, was the original Lucy in the off-Broadway "You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown" and can be heard on the cast album. She also made a couple of appearances on "That Girl" until Marlo Thomas thought that RR was funnier than her and had her axed from the show.

I think I'm probably the only person who has heard of this book, but I found it hilarious. It's by Patrick Dennis, and very much in the style of "Little Me;" i.e., a faux memoir with lots of photos. Peggy "stars" as Martha Dinwiddie Butterfield, who was briefly the First Lady of the US.

R30, Valerie Harper has said in interviews that Reva Rose auditioned for the role of "Rhoda".

Peggy Cass was a very vibrant and witty guest panelist. She was very intelligent. I think she would have been a marvelous friend and a guest to invite for dinner. She comes off as a good hearted, no nonsense lesbian and that was delightful.

Worth another look.....

1960 Tony presenter....

She was married to a former Jesuit priest.

She was no Rose Marie!

R31, I have that Patrick Dennis / Cris Alexander book. Great camp fun.

I have no idea.....

In spite of all those Broadway credits, if you look at them very carefully you'll see that, except for Auntie Mame, Peggy was in a lot of short-lived flops or came in at the end of a long -running show as a replacement.

Much like her Goodson/Todman colleagues Arlene Francis and Betsy Palmer, she really didn't have much of a Broadway career and was mostly famous.....for being famous.

But here's something: I'd always heard that the eponymous heroine of Jean Kerr's huge Broadway hit play of the early 1960s MARY, MARY was based on her friend Peggy Cass. And oddly enough, Peggy never played Mary on Broadway.

She also had a drinking problem.

[quote]She also had a drinking problem.

Name me one New York broad who didn't.

Being a drunk was why she couldn't hold a job.

I remember seeing a bit of Auntie Mame as a kid on TV. The way she walks down the stairs while very pregnant had me in hysterics.

I thought I may have mis-remembered this but no..........she apparently did serious acting too. She was in Agnes of God somewhere.

I watched her on The Doctors.

SJP slinks out of her rat hole....

Oh sorr! WRONG THREAD!!

r32

She also said she was going to die, so much for her street cred

Peggy on What's My Line

She would have made a fabulous Dolly.

Her pussy stunk.

She had the hands-down best wrong-side-of-the-tracks Boston accent going, God bless her that she never lost it.

I NEVER ate her pussy !!!

I'm afraid she suffered from the Vivian Vance Syndrome -- famous for playing second fiddle, never getting the respect her talents deserved.

Even though she had a lower Boston accent she managed to get into Harvard. She was quite smart, and her questioning on To Tell the Truth was very sharp.

R50

Dayum, bitch was uglee

R56, Cass never got into Harvard. In fact, on the later episodes of TTTT, they had a bit thing about how she was going to (I believe) NYU and getting her degree while doing TTTT at the same time.

Those sound bytes are decent but you had to see the entire episodes to realize what a pain she was. Her annoying voice aside, she had a know-it-all vibe about her and was indeed very uncouth. Once, they had a guy from Cracker Jacks on and Cass asked why they didn't sell the peanuts separately because she'd buy them. The expert said they had done that in the past but the peanuts didn't taste the same without the Cracker Jacks. In the voting, Kitty Carlisle said that anybody who just wants the peanuts alone is greedy. That got a whoop from the audience.

When I was a child there was neighbor who talked about Peggy Cass. occasionally.. They attended the same high school. The neighrt said Peggy was the same as on television off camera --- great sense of humor..

R31, I have read that book by Patrick Dennis. It is droll but, sadly, nowhere near as delightful as Little Me - one of the best trashy reads of all time.

I always liked her. Plus she was on the too short lived Women in Prison.

[quote] Kitty Carlisle said that anybody who just wants the peanuts alone is greedy.

Kitty was a twat-faced bitch who was lucky enough to have a rich husband.

Kitty’s pussy stunk.

R62 Rich, gay husband at that. So she didn't have to give out very often.

In 1984 I was attending the Democratic National Convention in New Orleans and checking into a rather shabby French Quarter hotel, when I heard a familiar nasal voice screaming at the desk clerk about her room. She demanded in the most insulting, loud and cursing way to be moved.

I turned to give her the stink eye, and low and behold it was Miss Peggy Cass, alone and apoplectic. Not a good time for an autograph.

A friend when very young went to TTTT. He went afterword to get Carlisle's and Cass's autograph.

Carlisle-extremely gracious and warm. If it was an act it never faltered.

Cass-total cold bitch. He was crushed. How could Agnes Gooch act this way?

If you're going to beard, who do you take, Carlisle or Cass? Thus, you see why their fortunes diverged.

Wendy Hiller herself thought her Oscar a joke. Her best scenes were edited out and she was angry about it.

Notice how she just disappears halfway through.

I assume it was ordered by Lancaster so when he dumps her for Hayworth he doesn't seem like such a cad at the end.

My best moments were cut from To Tell The Truth.

R62. Please make her stop singing!

[quote]R64 Rich, gay husband at that. So she didn't have to give out very often.

I always wondered what rich man would marry such a homely woman...!

R70 I was a trained opera star!

I grew up watching Kitty Carlisle on To Tell the Truth and the other Goodson/Todman shows as a guest panelist. She was Dorothy Kilgallen's replacement the week of her death on What's My Line, when they decided *not* to cancel the show in her honor. It was all very sombre and of course they all wore black.

Years later, after I had escaped from North Carolina and moved to New York, I was lucky enough to see the incredible 1983 revival of Rodgers' and Hart's On Your Toes with the original cast, except that Kitty had replaced Dina Merrill as a Manhattan patroness of the arts. (What a stretch for both of them.) She and the production are among my most treasured Broadway memories.

I'd post my Kitty Carlisle stories but, uh, isn't there a fairly recent thread about her and isn't this thread about that wonderful old dyke Peggy Cass?

Please feel free to discuss ME!

I relied on my brain, not some faggelah husband's bankroll!

Didn't someone post on DL that they atended a party at Kitty's apartment and it was in a state of mild decay, requiring obvious repairs?

The old bag was rich as Croesus....no idea why she wouldn't keep it up (?) Tho her place doesn't look as fab as you might expect...

They had a summer house in Bucks County, as well. (Hubby's probably ordering a rent boy for the night...)

Kitty always reminded me of a slightly better looking Diana Vreeland.

Why would she be rich as Croesus? She had no money of her own. She had a pretty modest career and her husband was known as a lavish spender. Money came in and then went out. A lot of it. And from when he first became a success. I assume she lived her life off of the half royalties of the Kaufman and Hart plays and if her husband had been given points on My Fair Lady and Camelot done anywhere. And as director could it have been that much? And with that apartment and house her expenses were very high. I wouldn't be surprised if she found she were financially pretty stretched at times. But one of her great talents was for appearances.

I love the Kitty montage. Especially the part where the kids are on the blanket. She looks like she's going to bend down and pat them on the head and say hello. Until she sees the colored one and lurches back.

By the 1980s, Miss Kitty had to stoop to doing a cameo in a Woody Allen flick. She said it was for the prestige of being in a Woody Allen film, but we all knew better.

Does anyone know how Peggy Cass and Momma Cass were related, exactly?

[quote]Does anyone know how Peggy Cass and Momma Cass were related, exactly?

Their grandparents were Patriarch Jacob and Matriarch Leah.

R83, Kitty would constantly bring up that she was in a Marx Brothers movie.

Once waited on LA HART, a perfect sweetie, IF you kissed her ass. A monster if treated normally.

I have a copy of "First Lady", r31, and also the original hardcover of "Little Me" where she makes an appearance ("Peggy Gass").

Letch Feeley was played Kurt Bieber. Not only was he a talented actor/singer/dancer, but early in his career he was one of AMG's most popular models.

Kitty was engaged to marry former NY Governor (& GOP presidential nominee in '44 & '48) Tom Dewey before his unexpected death in '71.

r75 She should've worn more caftans.

They say your always see a celebrity when you go to LA.. Peggy Cass on a bicycle on Venice Beach for me folks! 1986-ish

Don't forget r89, he was a Colt model......

Kitty looked like she kept a very clean pussy. Peggy? Not so much. She looks like she smells like section 8 and dried tampons.

Kitty was a patron of the arts. And not just the highfalutin' kind. She endowed scholarships to young students of NY to attend performing arts institutions.

R82, I thought the same thing — it looked like Kitty Carlisle was recoiling from the little boy!

[quote]R94 Kitty looked like she kept a very clean pussy.

She would be so pleased to hear you say that...

(misting up)

Peggy’s pussy wasn’t clean. Kitty scrubbed hers often.

I wonder if Kitty ever pulled Peggy aside and addressed the issue. Or did she figure "To each their own"?

If they shared a dressing room, it could have got ugly...

I love r75's video. I wonder if she ever wore the same outfit twice? Did designers lend her outfits to wear or did she own all those dresses?

Peggy went in for knee surgery, the hospital operated on the wrong knee. Peggy sued and won - a lot. Went to another hospital for the correct surgery and wrote "THIS KNEE" on her leg with marker.

R100, no and she had notes as to what she'd wore so her fans would never see her in the same outfit twice on TTTT. The ultimate Mary moment was when Ned Rorem said in People magazine that wherever he was, he'd drop everything to see what Kitty Carlisle was wearing.

I remember reading many years ago that she kept all of her gowns and ensembles through the years. She said she could always fit into them because she had a collapsible figure.

"Stoop", R83 ? STOOP? Nanette Fabray would have killed for that scene in "Radio Days"!

R101, That is pretty much standard procedure today.

Peggy once said in an interview, "Kitty and I look like we're going to two different parties.".

R106, her quote to Kitty was "looks like we ain't going to the same ball, Madame Butterfly."

I only remember Peggy Cass as Sweeney on The Doctors. She seemed drunk all the time. But I imagine that in her younger years, she imbibed a time or two. Or three. Or until she was a drunk.

Why are (were) there so many dumpy blonde character actresses named "Peggy?" Peggy Pope, Peggy Rea, and Miss Cass. And one non-Peggy who fits the bill (with a man's name, no less): Jeff Donnell.

Peggy from Mad Men

[quote]The ultimate Mary moment was when Ned Rorem said in People magazine that wherever he was, he'd drop everything to see what Kitty Carlisle was wearing.

I, as a very young gayling, did the same. My mother would make me take a bath around the time that TTTT came on (after dinner, before bed), and so I would rush through my bath, swath my head in a towel and rush to the family room in time to see what Kitty was wearing. Oh Mary, the only thing that stopped me from becoming a fashion designer is that I can't draw. I mean stick figure Kitty would not look very good. But even at 7 years old, I knew Kitty Carlisle was stunning and must have led a fabulous life in New York City.

Who is the modern day Peggy Cass? I think it's either Rachel Dratch or the lesser-known Bayne Gibby. Dratch must have a crappy agent or other issues; she's funny but doesn't work much. Bayne Gibby played Gigi (the sole female writer on Room & Bored) on The Comeback. She was just in LadyBird and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. She has a fun Instagram and answers her DMs.

[quote]Who is the modern day Peggy Cass?

Amy Schumer

About a year ago I discovered TTTT on YouTube. I love it. There is a guy whose channel has every episode from start to finish. The evening episodes to be exact. I loved, loved, loved Polly Bergen. Peggy was cool as her replacement though. I love how seriously Kitty always took the game. Polly had the best line ever on the show. They Jack Benny's violin teacher on. When it came to casting the vote she said "I've heard him play. None of you."

The best line in TTTT history came from Kitty: To a woman bowler: "How heavy are the men's balls?"

Kitty always knew what she was saying. She would have one double entendre after another and than look around asking "what? what are they laughing at?".

[quote] I wonder if she ever wore the same outfit twice?

I read an old article on her in TV Guide where she said she got lots of write-in requests for her to send someone a particular outfit. One reason she couldn't, she claimed, was because she'd occassionally "rework" dresses, to create something new. So if that was indeed true, you could say she rewore outfits. But she'd have them retailored into something else....by taking stuff off or adding stuff on (long to short or vice versa, change trim or a neckline, add or remove sleeves, etc.)

Denny Dillon could have been, back in the 80s or so. Funny lady. Loved her on "Dream On" where we used to see a lot of Brian Benben's ass, too. WEHT Benben?

[quote]I read an old article on her in TV Guide where she said she got lots of write-in requests for her to send someone a particular outfit.

People would actually beg her for her clothes? How crass is that? Maybe someone could have made a fortune by producing Kitty Carlisle knock-off dresses. I bet she said she reworked them just so she had a reason not to get involved with sending them to other people. She probably had her assistant take them down to the local consignment shop and get money for them. A clothing allowance was probably part of her compensation on TTTT. Peggy Cass probably got an allowance as well and just threw on whatever she bought at Alexanders and used the money for something else.

The best: Dorothy Kilgallen had pretaped a TTTT episode. While it was airing it got interrupted to announce her death in a special report.

[quote]WEHT Benben?

He's been consistently on tv in supporting roles. He had a long run as a doctor on Private Practice, the Grey's Anatomy spin-off.

I bet Kitty hated Polly Bergen.

[quote]I bet Kitty hated Polly Bergen.

Why should she? Kitty successfully transformed into a Park Avenue society dame. Polly did that godawful Follies revival on Broadway.

For the most part Kitty was only seen on TTTT from the bust up and in black and white. She really didn't need to change dresses for every single episode. But she gave the illusion of different outfits with the use of many feather and fur boas and shoulder ruffles of different materials that could be moved from the shoulders of one to another. Most of her dresses were just basic black schmattas.

What I find more fascinating about Kitty was that she NEVER changed her hairdo. It remained exactly the same style and severe dark brunette color from the 1950s to the time of her death, many decades later. Compare to colleague Arlene Francis on WML, who went from brunette to redhead to blonde to platinum blonde to ginger, permed, straightened, teased and blow-dried and everything in between during her show's lengthy run.

R124, I read that in the later years of WML?, Arlene wore wigs because it was difficult to find an available hairdresser on a Sunday and CBS did not provide Hair & Make up for the WML? lasses.

R120, I have trying to find a copy of that broadcast for years, but it has proved to be impossible.

Didn't Polly Bergen have some awful makeup line using 'turtle oil', how disgusting. Hope it was a gimmick and she wasn't actually having turtles killed for her crap makeup!

It was Turtle Wax, r127, and a joke. Turtle Wax is car wax.

Ah, Peggy Cass, when she appeared on Personality back in the late "60"s. Didn't know she was such a good friend of Ethel Merman.

No, R127.

Polly Bergen had the nice dentures.

R124, that's not true. Part of the Kitty allure was when she walked out in those ridiculous gowns. Also note how she turns her head and gives an open mouthed smile to the audience.

And she said people often asked for the clothes and she wrote back simply "Sorry, no."

R127, It was Oil of the Turtle and it made Polly a bundle.

I recall reading in TV Guide that Kitty would periodically have a number of dresses on wheeled racks walked over to the TTTT studio so they wouldn't arrive wrinkled.

Polly, promoting Oil of the Turtle.

Did the TTTT panel walk out when they were introduced? I really don't remember that.

[quote]Did the TTTT panel walk out when they were introduced? I really don't remember that.

Yes, because I would squeal like a stuck pig if I couldn't see Kitty Carlisle when I was a young gayling. Her gowns were fabulous. I think in our area, TTTT came on at 7:30 pm, so there wasn't much competition for the tv in our one set house at that time, and I could adore Kitty to my heart's content.

They did, r136.

I don't see the panelists coming out to sit down here -- Tom Poston, Peggy Cass, Orson Bean, and Kitty Carlisle.

I don't think they entered when the show was in black and white. But as r75's video shows, by the time color came around, they were entering.

The entering was the day time version. The nightime version ran for about ten years with a daytime version. Then then when the night time version ended the daytime one went on for about another 15 years.

r141, not when I was growing up. The entering was definitely done at night because I used to watch for Kitty Carlisle.

People have just forgotten how HUGE TTTT and WML? were.

Why does Easy Off look like a jar of tomato sauce?

Did you put it on a sponge wipe it on the surface of the inside of your oven and then let it sit for a while?

Well the help did anyway.

[quote]Did you put it on a sponge wipe it on the surface of the inside of your oven and then let it sit for a while?

Actually, IIRC, it came with a brush to apply it with -- sort of a combination paint brush/pastry brush thing.

r135 Seriously?

My aunt saw the touring production of AGNES OF GOD in which Peggy Cass played the Mother Superior. My aunt said that Cass nailed the character; of course, Cass had a Boston Irish Catholic background. My aunt saw the Broadway production of AGNES OF GOD; IIRC, Geraldine Page played the mother superior, My aunt said that Cass was better

Just watched a bunch of TTTTs from 1957-67 and there was no entrance for the panel. The show ALWAYS began with the first 3 contestants declaring their names, cut to Bud Collyer greeting the audience, holding up the product of that episode's sponsor, then Bud introducing the SEATED panel.

And that;s exactly how I remembered it.

Btw, did you all know that Bud played Superman on the radio?

Did you all also know that Bud and Kitty dated many years prior to TTTT? Seriously.

Bud frequently said "God bless you" to the three departing contestants . . . unheard of today.

The contestants entered on "What's My Line" with Kitty's lighter-haired/similar functionary Arlene Francis. Questions: did Arlene Francis and Kitty Carlisle ever work together? Did they like one another? or get mistakenly called the other's name? Kitty dated George Gershwin, btw -- at least he was known as a womanizer, unlike her husband Moss Hart.

Kitty and Arlene once appeared together on Howard Stern's Channel 9/WOR show and both seemed bewildered by the proceedings.

Moss and Kitty's daughter Catherine and son Christopher.

R153, Like father, like son?

As I think was mentioned, Kitty was often a guest panelist on What's My Line? I assume Arlene was on TTTT, as well, since both shows were produced by the same man/company. Kitty was interviewed by the Archive of American Television and I think she talked about knowing Arlene. They were friends as they ran in the same "café society"/NYC showbiz circles. That interview, for some reason, has been taken down. I remember it ended with Kitty presenting a montage of personal photos, including one with the Kennedys on Martha's Vineyard, "including Mama in the middle" (Rose, of course). She pronounced "Mama" the way they do on Downton Abbey, with the French-style accent on the second "ah." So wonderful.

Her daughter looks just like her! Not as well-preserved, of course, but the resemblence is uncanny.

Kitty's father was a gynecologist...so we know where the name came from!

I wonder what even the dames are all at?

Vivien is telling Danny that Larry's warming up the bed for him so he'd better hurry back.

[quote]The best: Dorothy Kilgallen had pretaped a TTTT episode. While it was airing it got interrupted to announce her death in a special report.

That doesn't make sense. Dorothy was found dead Monday morning after appearing Sunday night on WML TTTT aired Sunday night at 10:00 followed by WML at 10:30. Think about it. Why would the show have been interrupted about her death earlier on the night it happened or a week after she had died?

As mentioned above, Kitty was a regular guest panelist on WML. Many of the regular Goodson/Todman panelists were occasional guest panelists on the other G/T shows. The Sunday after Dorothy's death, there had been much discussion at both CBS and at G/T whether the show should be broadcast that week. It was finally decided that Dorothy would have thought "The show must go on" and Kitty took Dorothy's place that night. Dorothy, like everybody else, was dressed in black and the everything was very sombre, with everyone giving a brief eulogy for Dorothy at the end. The episode is included in Buzzr's airings and I'm sure it's available at youtube.

R159 I'm sure you mean Kitty was dressed in black. Dorothy likely wasn't there.

^ Er, uh. Kitty was dressed in black like everybody else. Dorothy was dead. Dead, I tell you, DEAD.

Hadn't Dorothy been doing research on an article or book on who she thought really killed JFK? Rumors were that people connected to who she got the goods on got to her.

Yes, R163, there are many previous threads on DL about WML and/or Dorothy that discuss the peculiar circumstances of her death. Found dead in a bedroom she never used, wearing glasses she never wore, reading a book she had already read and she never read a book twice. She had been the sole journalist/reporter to score a few moments alone with Jack Ruby, after which she told friends she had info that would blow the Kennedy Assassination wide open. All her notes and writings about it disappeared that night.

And then she died.

R159, The pre-recorded TTTT episode with Dorothy was airing Monday afternoon when it was interrupted with the announcement that she had been found dead in her townhouse bedroom.

Kitty was very good friends with Harry Ellis Dickson, of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. He and his wife named their daughter after Kitty. Years later, their daughter married Michael Dukakis.

Interesting to see Vivien Leigh with Bette Davis in that photo upthread, considering the hilarious remark of Vivien's when she turned down Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte after Joan Crawford left the picture.

I must find it. It's too good to misquote.

"I could almost stand to look at Joan Crawford's face at 6 am but not Bette Davis'."

Now, back to Peggy Cass.

Bette Davis did not want Vivien Leigh for Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte. Per Miss Davis, Miss Leigh, being British, could not authenticately play a southern character. (She neglected to mention that Miss Leigh won two Oscars for portraying Scarlett O’Hara and Blanch Du Bois.)

Bette Davis, though, lost out on the role of Scarlett O’Hara. When she was under contract with Warner Brothers, she was considered for the role of Blanche Du Bois, but she had a dispute with Jack Warner over her role as Rosa Moline in Beyond the Forest. She broke her contract and thus losing the role. It worked out well, though because she made All About Eve.

Charles Busch did a one-night staged reading of "Auntie Mame" in 1998 with Maxwell Caulfield, John Davidson, Harvey Evans, Marilyn Farina, Barbara Feldon, Marcia Lewis and Juliet Mills.. Peggy Cass, bless her, reprised her role as Gooch.

R170, Well, he must have done more than one. I have a 1998 DVD recording of a concert performance, with Valerie Harper as the evening's narrator, Marian Seldes as Vera Charles, Swoosie Kurtz as Agnes Gooch.

I met her outside a terminal at LAX back when there were still payphones.

She was very nice.

Viv NEVER forgave me for having gone before the Wind. Same role. I got an Oscar, as well. And I played the role bet-tuh...and she knew it....puff-puff

Oh, Bette, Bette, Bette. Nobody believed your cock-a-mamie Southern belle act. Miss Scarlett O'Hara had to be flawlessly beautiful for Technicolor. Your nicotine stained teeth would never have passed the screen test.

Craggy Puss

Busch did a benefit reading of Auntie Mame in New York as well as a small regional production and a short summer stock tour (3 stops IIRC) that I know of. There could be others.

....

Kitty Carlisle, Charles Busch, Arlene Francis...this is MY thread bitches.

Will I get pilloried for admitting that I never cared for Auntie Mame (the movie with Roz). I thought it was overwrought and bad camp.

I get Peggy Cass and Pat Carrol mixed up.

I bet petty cash would have been a very good lawyer.

Peggy Cass! Lol

Sorry, Pegs, but since R180 brought her up, was Pat Carroll a lesbian? (Or is she? Is she still alive?). She did have that great Off-Broadway success playing Gertrude Stein, and of course, Ursula is a rather lesbionic drag queen, I always thought.

Pat Carroll is still alive at age 90.

R179 Yes. I'll throw the first stone.

"Auntie Mame" is on TCM today.

Auntie Mame will be immortal for Roger Smith.

I was like who the fuck is that?!

R187, He made me a widow.

r188 If I buy him the parts, will he make one for me too?

Thanks, R184. So IS Pat a lesbian?

Pat has several children. Not that that necessarily means anything.

[quote]R183 Ursula is a rather lesbionic drag queen, I always thought.

Ursula makes me think of Ursula Andress...she's kind of like a sexier Sharon Tate.

TRIVIA - The author of SOPHIE'S CHOICE had memories of her in mind when he wrote that novel. She wasn't the right age anymore when they got around to filming it, but that's who he saw in the part.

[quote]R179 Will I get pilloried for admitting that I never cared for Auntie Mame (the movie with Roz). I thought it was overwrought and bad camp.

At 2 1/2 hours, it's kind of looooong.....

R193, So was Forrest Tucker's cock . . . according to Hollywood legend.

Of all the great camp films of the Golden Age: The Women, Mildred Pierce, Stage Door and All About Eve, Auntie Mame is the only one that doesn't really hold up any more. The humor is all based on shock but there's nothing shocking about it now.

R195, Auntie Mame is filled with annoying pauses after comic lines, to allow for theater audiences' laughter.

Still better than Lucy's version.

R197, well that was a high bar to hurdle.

It was the other way around. The arts were a great benefactor to Kitty.

I saw her on "What's My Line," and she was stupid. I was embarrassed for her ugly ass.

Thank you, R200, for bumping this long-dead thread with such important insight.

She stinks and the world needs to know.

If you were so inconvenienced by a bump, you have real mental problems.