Alec Baldwin Compares Dylan Farrow to Character Who Lied About Her Rape in 'To Kill a Mockingbird'

HE will NEVER be President!!

Is Dylan aware that she is still within her rights to file charges against Woody?

Baldwin is such an idiot. Is he trying to trick us into thinking he's a literate, intelligent man?

Baldwin is the perfect person in a way to play Trump. 1) He's ALSO terrible at his job (never seen a single funny Baldwin as Trump sketch); 2) He's ALSO got serious impulse control/anger management issues; 3) Gargantuan egos; 4) Issues with women; 5) he's an asshole bully in general.

I AGREE

I'm waiting for Moses to do an on camera interview and destroy the Mia clan

Can someone Tweet Dylan and let her know she can still press charges against Allen? She might not be aware of this.

R8 great idea!!!

Oh damn. Baldwin is doubling down. But I don’t disagree.

And r2 and r8 bring up an interesting point. Let Dylan put her money where her mouth is. Frankly, I’m sick of vague accusations and mealy-mouthed condemnations. If someone hasn’t taken a payoff and signed an NDA and is within the statutes of limitations, they need to act. Now is the perfect time. Hollywood stars have a legal fund to help with this action. *crickets*

Hm. Interesting.

Geimer is such a fucked up piece of shit. "He raped me but like I don't care, and other people who claim they were molested are like total liars and I hate them and will talk about them constantly."

But if she wants to pander to the crowd who think all women are slag whore cunts trying to take down innocent powerful millionaires for ~reasons~ she's welcome to it.

As I said on a previous thread, Dylan can still press charges. The fact she doesn't says a lot. And I can't take her seriously. She reminds me of Vanessa Bayer from SNL.

Baldwin is not a perfect man. And he's very often right.

This really makes me wonder what Alec Baldwin has done in his life. Does Woody have something on him? I'd really like to know why Baldwin has chosen to die on this particular hill.

It's funny because Baldwin would never leave his 4-year old daughter alone with Uncle Woody even for a few minutes.

Maybe, nine years from now Uncle Woody will write little Carmen a "Dear Nancy" letter. I'm sure Baldwin wouldn't mind.

Dear Nancy,

Hard to believe you’re 13! When I was 13 I couldn’t dress myself, and here you write about one of life’s deepest philosophical problems, i.e., existential boredom. I guess it’s hard for me to imagine a 13-year-old quoting anything but Batman – but T. Mann? Anyway, there’s too much wrong with the world to ever get too relaxed and happy. The more natural state, and the better one, I think, is one of some anxiety and tension over man's plight in this mysterious universe …

Next time you write, if you ever do, please list some of the books you’ve enjoyed and movies, and which music you’ve liked, and also the things you dislike and have no patience with. And tell me what kind of place Coral Gables is. What school do you go to? What hobbies do you have? How old are your parents and what do they do? What are your moods like? Are you energetic? Are you an early riser? Are you “into clothes” … At the moment, I am re- filming some parts of my next film, which have not come out so good.

Best, Woody.

R15 do you have Twitter? Maybe you can let Dylan know she can still press charges?

R16 there are many women (and some men) who were molested/raped as children who will never press charges. It has nothing to do with the validity of what happened to them.

Our court system favors abusers and until recently our society disbelieved victims. Gratefully, this is starting to change though I'm sure this is a chilling development for abusers.

right on bruther!

dylan is a mynah bird fer her nuts momma.....

It's not surprising that his daughter Ireland is a mess.

Yeah, I'm sure Dylan doesn't want to press charges because she doesn't want to re-live it all.

I'm wondering why Baldwin has such a hard-on about this, but I think he's right. And I don't understand why more of Allen's longtime allies are quiet. Are they really that afraid of backlash? I guess Colin Firth is - another coward with a mealy-mouthed "Shocked I tell you!" statement.

What's in it for Alec that he's so vociferous on this issue?

Can she really press charges? Didn't this happen in NY, if so the statue of limitation is up.

This reminds me of an interview I saw of Alec some time ago. He ended up talking about Lindsay Lohan.

Apparently, he was being considered for some show or movie where Lindsay was to play a Lolita-type character to his adult character. Lindsay was pretty young at the time. I think this was pre-Mean Girls.

Lindsay's mom refused the role because she thought it was inappropriate. Alec was saying how ironic this decision was since Lindsay turned out so wild. From the way he talked about the situation, I remember it briefly entered my mind that maybe Alec was some kind of perv.

It happened in CT. I believe the statute of limitations is 30 years after the victim turns 18.

[quote] I'd really like to know why Baldwin has chosen to die on this particular hill.

"Die on this hill"?? On the contrary, why would he be in trouble at all? Not many people believe Dylan.

Actually, most people believe Dylan because the only other alternative is having to believe Woody. Not a hard choice.

[quote]It happened in CT. I believe the statute of limitations is 30 years after the victim turns 18.

Well, if that's the case, she has six years.

R22, Alec just does not want to see his friend get destroyed by an enemy who said in that pathetic interview with Gayle King she wants to to see Woody ruined.

Remember - this is Dylan's THIRD recent attempt - the NY Times op-ed went nowhere. Then Vanity Fair had her story but everyone ignored Dylan when Mia, in her insane desire to punish Woody, inadvertently diverted all attention from Dylan to Ronan, by floating the rumor that the then-married, limp-dicked Sinatra was Ronan's biological father - and not Woody.

Alec Baldwin is an arrogant asshole according to the person I know who had interactions with him, so I factor that into everything I hear about him.

I don't know if I agree with Baldwin but I admire him for being honest about his beliefs.

Hmmm so we should automatically believe Moses and not Dylan?

Why?

Baldwin is an idiot. Every bit as offensive and repugnant as Woody Allen.

R21 maybe they are quiet because they know he's a perv.

R32 Because Dylan's story has changed. This is why in both cases the doctors investigating the cases came to the conclusion that the molestation didn't occur.

"The doctor who headed the Connecticut investigation into whether Woody Allen molested his 7-year-old daughter, Dylan, theorized that the child either invented the story under the stress of living in a volatile and unhealthy home or that it was planted in her mind by her mother, Mia Farrow, a sworn statement released yesterday says.

Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. "

So many people posting with cleared cookies. That's bizarre.

R20, what difference would pressing charges make as far as “reliving” the abuse? She relives the abuse whenever she speaks out about Woody.

Another thing, people’s memories change the more they tell a story, and the more they tell a story, the more certain they are in their memory, even if it’s not actually what happened. For all I know, Dylan could be having a false memory of something that never happened.

Most child molesters don’t stop with one child, so it would help Dylan’s case if more girls spoke out. It might be creepy that Woody Allen married Soon-Yi, but she had a woman’s body when that happened, not a child’s body.

Exactly R37.

R34 That is correct. Rumors like this swirl around in Hollywood like how rumors swirl around a school. There were rumors forever about Spacey, Weinstein, and Singer. Obviously one can disregard rumors but friends and family often experience a mini crisis when faced with the possibility or evidence of horrific wrongdoing, because they don't want to believe their loved one is a bad person.

The trial was already settled in family court, and Allen's parental rights were terminated. Woody was going to fight Dyan (a child) in criminal court and seek full custody of her. The family court therapist wrote that Dylan could not deal and cope with an on-going and brutal criminal trial, so the issue was settled in family court. The family court judge terminated Woody Allen's parental rights.

The court documents were sealed because she was a minor child, so only Dylan (when she was an adult) could release them. Woody Allen had his friends lie about Dylan for her whole childhood. These scumbag friend of Allen's lied and stated there was no trial. BUT THERE WAS ONE, ALLEN's PARENTAL RIGHTS WERE TERMINATED.

[quote]This really makes me wonder what Alec Baldwin has done in his life. Does Woody have something on him? I'd really like to know why Baldwin has chosen to die on this particular hill.

[quote]I'm wondering why Baldwin has such a hard-on about this

[quote]What's in it for Alec that he's so vociferous on this issue?

Remember a few months ago when he made that speech apologizing for being sexist?

[quote]On Thursday, The Paley Center for Media honored Alec Baldwin for his distinguished career and supportive efforts for the organization’s educational initiatives. The event included a discussion with The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon announcer and Saturday Night Live writer-producer Steve Higgins. Baldwin made a point to discuss the current sexual misconduct allegations circulating in Hollywood. The actor admitted that he has been guilty of treating women poorly in the past. “I certainly have treated women in a very sexist way. I’ve bullied women. I’ve overlooked women. I’ve underestimated women. Not as a rule,” he said. “From time to time, I’ve done what a lot of men do, which is … when you don’t treat women the same way you treat men. You don’t. I’m from a generation where you really don’t and I’d like that to change. I really would like that to change.”

Maybe he was laying the groundwork for his defense. Here are some blind items from AGC:

[quote]This A list actor is probably permanently A list now. He is also a huge a-hole and has been for going on pretty much his entire career. I'm not quite sure how his current wife deals with his a-holery. Probably drinks a lot. Of course she was incredibly thirsty so that might have overcome her distaste. Anyway, he is the one I am most excited to see go down which will be happening any time. All of his words/defenses are going to come back to haunt him. [italic]Alec Baldwin (Hilaria) (criticizes public 'renunciation' of Woody Allen as 'unfair')[/italic]

[quote]One actress who is not speaking up about James Toback has a lot to say. She could also do some talking about that permanent A list television actor who was Toback's collaborator in a movie. She had to agree to have sex with the A lister to get the role and then they threw her under a bus for someone who could sell more tickets. All of you know who the actress is, although she may have gone by the wayside to the weekly tabloid readers who don't remember her unusual franchise. She previously had to sleep with Toback to get a role when she was really struggling to land anything. [italic]Alec Baldwin/Neve Campbell[/italic]

[quote]This permanent A list mostly television actor has been an a-hole off screen for his entire career. One of the bigger ever to grace films or television. Just constant a-holery. He knows he is in for it with what he has done to women. I wrote about him last week and what he did with Toback. Now he is just doubling down and the pain for him is going to be twice as bad when it all comes out. I know he is threatening and berating some of those in his past to stay quiet. I hope they have the courage to speak. [italic]Alec Baldwin (victim-blamed Rose McGowan regarding Harvey Weinstein)[/italic]

Who knows if these are true, but there's no denying he's an asshole. I really want these blind items to be wrong and for the all the wrong reasons. Just imagine the gloating from Trump and his cronies if it comes out that Baldwin has a history of inappropriate behavior, we'll never hear the end of it.

[quote]It's not surprising that his daughter Ireland is a mess.

Remember the voicemail message with him calling her a thoughtless little pig?

[quote]An enraged Alec Baldwin unleashed a volcanic tirade of threats and insults on his 11-year-old daughter, Ireland, calling her a "thoughtless little pig," and bashing her mother Kim Basinger

[quote]After Ireland failed to answer her father's scheduled morning phone call from New York on April 11, Alec went berserk on her voice mail, saying "Once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone," adding, "you have insulted me for the last time."

[quote]Switching his train of thought, Baldwin then exercised his incredible parenting skills and took a shot at his ex-wife, declaring, "I don't give a damn that you're 12-years-old or 11-years-old, or a child, or that your mother is a thoughtless pain in the ass who doesn't care about what you do." The irate Baldwin went on to say, "You've made me feel like s**t" and threatened to "straighten your ass out."

[quote]"This crap you pull on me with this goddamn phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother," screamed Baldwin, "and you do it to me constantly over and over again."

[quote]Before hanging up, Baldwin warned the child, "You better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me." That's tomorrow.

[quote]We've learned that on Wednesday, Los Angeles County Superior Court commissioner Maren Nelson heard the tape and temporarily suspended Baldwin's visitation rights. A hearing is set for May 4, where the judge could permanently deny Baldwin visitation or contact with Ireland.

And now she's an addict in and out of rehab.

That man needs to be nowhere neat Ireland. The daughter or the country.

Termination of parental rights means all rights and RESPONSIBILITIES are extinguished. That means no more child support.

Link to where Woody Allen's parental rights to any of his children were terminated.

Judge Wilk never found that Woody Allen sexually abused his daughter. Period.

We have discussed this time and again. No finding of probable cause was ever made by a judicial officer in this matter, let alone guilt beyond a reasonable doubt after a trial. The prosecutor's lame and not believable excuse for not going forward with a prosecution doesn't cut it. It means nothing.

R42, Oh big deal, a dad loses his temper with his daughter. And you're linking that to a rehab stint? Pretty big fucking stretch there.

It’s sad that you think it’s okay to talk to an eleven year old like that, R45.

" I really want these blind items to be wrong and for the all the wrong reasons. "

Well, considering Harvey Levin lunches with Trump, and actively tried to blackmail Rose McGowan (TMZ).........and the National Enquirer owner's widow is a HUGE Trump supporter..........I would not be surprised if that Blind Item site also has its own agenda AGAINST Alec Baldwin.

good for alec.

woody is kool dude fuk yea.

an icon, like the chrysler bldg....

baldwin aint arrogant

he smart and has opinion

right on man

Trump is gonna stick it to Baldwin good when the truth about him comes out. SNL will have to make jokes about it. They probably hope it doesn't happen till their season is over.

It is funny that he tried to discredit her by comparing her to a character who was in fact molested and raped by her own father.

R36 What's bizarre is that you're obsessed with identifying other posters, or you would have no idea they cleared their cookies. I don't bother with any of that shit, because people like you are usually harmless losers, but it is creepy. This is third thread I've been in where you make that same remark.

is the me too movement as big as the emancipation of the negroes?

its gettin pretty dam big...

It's bizarre that you feel so strongly about it, R52. Really, really bizarre.

[quote]This is third thread I've been in where you make that same remark.

And no it's not. But it's really, really bizarre that you'd say that.

Apparently someone's comment hit a little too close to home!

R52 has stated her boundaries!

And R52 the poster is actually right. There are a lot of Dylan defenders who flood these threads out of nowhere. Maybe you're a Dylan defender, I don't know, but it seems odd that you would take such issue with the comment pointing it out.

*who flood these threads with cookies erased.

I notice when the Woody people are challenged with facts they create new Woody-related threads or bump old ones.

That's interesting, R58. Someone in another thread kept making claims against Woody, like that he strangled a young Satchel in front of his psychiatrist and when asked for a link, wouldn't respond.

If that happened, I'd love to read about it.

That's because he's not as smart as he thinks he is, r51.

And r57 sounds like the lady who accuses everyone of being a sockpuppet, Mia, Dylan and/or Ronan if they don't post 100% pro-Woody crap 24/7.

Also, R58, what facts are you referring to? Thanks in advance!

Sorry you're trying so hard, R60. I never once said that I was a Woody fan or that I didn't believe Dylan. But keep trying!

How about YOU provide a link to the thread, r59? Google has nothing. How odd.

R58 I'm not familiar with that anecdote. Was this around the time Woody was in therapy for being obsessed with young Dylan? I need a timeline.

Here you go, R63. It's at the 151st reply.

Anything else?

[R59] I'm not familiar with that anecdote. Was this around the time Woody was in therapy for being obsessed with young Dylan? I need a timeline.

Sorry, here's the link. 151 reply.

So if anyone has the link to where that's documented, please send it. Would love to read it!

R40 is referring to this, I'm sure. Sorry it's HuffPo.

[quote]Was this around the time Woody was in therapy for being obsessed with young Dylan? I need a timeline.

Was Woody in therapy specifically for being obsessed with Dylan? Is there any link to that too?

R54 R55 R56 There's a lot of "odd" things on here, including obsessive behavior, as I've pointed out. I have never once thought of trying to investigate another poster on this site, it's so weird that you do. It's a fucking message board FFS. Get over it, Clouseau. If they cleared their cookies, what the fuck do you care? What does it even mean?

[quote] It's a fucking message board FFS. Get over it, Clouseau. If they cleared their cookies, what the fuck do you care? What does it even mean?

Maybe you should take your own advice.

You are talking to more than one person, lol.

R69, the answer is yes. Why don't you just Google?

R32, if you're a MRA, it's cuz he has a dick, obviously!

You cannot convince me that that raging narcissist is Mr. Rogers with 3 kiss 4 and under, soon to be 4. He always looks angry.

I've looked, R73. Nothing comes up. Would love to read about it though! Do you have a link?

I agree with him. Getting so sick of this "condemning," whining, nd pressuring other people to "condemn," that I don't even care anymore. Indeed, take it to the law, or find some other, more dignified way to get revenge that doesn't involve everyone, or learn to make peace with your past and go on with your life. I am finding this urging, then forcing, people to act like they think one way, the way they are told, more disgusting than any act; and the fact that so many go along with it is completely repulsive. Everyone should have their own thoughts and opinions, in a varying spectrum, and should not be made to publicly say that they think one particular way about private matters if conjecture.

No, you haven't looked because that's a well-known part of the story, R75.

Opinion of Judge

Yes, I have R77.

I know that Woody has been therapy for most of his life. I can't find anything that says he had to specifically go to therapy over his obsession. Was this with the therapist he had been seeing for decades or with another therapist? Please share a link if you have it!

I have the person who claimed Woody was choking Satchel on ignore, and also have no idea what they're talking about.

But I guess you think that person's existence means Woody defenders don't start new threads when previous ones don't go their way? Not sure what you were trying to prove at r59.

R71 R72 I doubt I'm talking to more than one person, and you just proved it with these two additions. And your comment was inarticulate. Tae my own advice about not identifying other posters? Getting over it? What are you talking about?

I think Dylan is the only white baby Mia adopted, and I'm assuming she was special needs, otherwise, why adopt? Mia has four biological children and over ten adopted children. I doubt if she thought, why don't I adopt another child just for the heck of it. Assuming Dylan was special needs, it would be interesting to know what her problems were, psychological, mental? I think it's important to know, as that might help the public (who she is shouting out to weekly) better understand her, and determine credibility. Of course I understand that special needs children can be molested, but if she has mental problems she could be easily manipulated by Mia, or even struggle with accurate perception of real events.

For the 100th time you damn troll, here's the link.

Now that constant demands for links has been played out, what's next on your derailing agenda?

That's not what I said at all, R80. It just reminded me of the statement and I'd like to read more about it. Apparently it's a well-known part of the story though.

No, you didn't R79. Google. Woody Allen. Obsession. Dylan. Therapist.

R81 what makes you think that R71 and R72 were from the same person?

And I don't see how hard it is to figure out that your comment is that this is a message board so who gives a fuck? So why do you give a fuck that someone on a message board gives a fuck?

It's not a well known part of the story, r84. It's something a troll said once on an anonymous board, and your own trollish obsession with it is kinda sketchy.

R79 could you explain why it would be better if Allen talked about his obsession with Dylan with his regular therapist rather than a different therapist?

What would make that better in your head?

R82 Your high school rhetoric teacher called, he says you failed. Why do you assume that Mia adopted a white child because she was special needs? And all your other assumptions derive from that. You know what Plato would call that? No, I didn't think so.....

[quote]Opinion of Judge

Judges can be very biased, R78. And what judge in a high-profile celebrity case is going to go hard on an innocent-seeming waif woman claiming child molestation of her very young child? Of course he was going to favor Mia. Imagine the publicity and outcry if he didn't. Judges often have huge egos.

Why the hell would i believe some creepy guy who transposes his nerotic, gas lighty persona on all his male protagonists as irrisitable nectar to all women and practically groomed his foreign child bride while with her mother? Yeah... sorry. Woody Allen has creeped me the fuck out since I heard about Soon yi when I was 10 yrs old or so. I was like “and people are just cool with this?” If people in this country are ok with that, a pres. who admits to grabbing womens pussies, and elementry schools getting shot up, i would not be suprised in the fucking least if people covered for peoples gross shit back in the 80s based on money/influence.

R88 I didn't say it would be better. I asked for clarification if it was a different therapist.

They're just telling you where the incident was mentioned, r90.

Why you're suddenly making up fanfic about judges and waif women is beyond me.

[quote]It's not a well known part of the story, [R84]. It's something a troll said once on an anonymous board, and your own trollish obsession with it is kinda sketchy.

Well apparently you're wrong! Someone clearly just said it was a well known part of the story.

[quote][R82] Your high school rhetoric teacher called, he says you failed. Why do you assume that Mia adopted a white child because she was special needs? And all your other assumptions derive from that. You know what Plato would call that? No, I didn't think so.....

I explained that. Mia already had three or four biological children, and ten or more adopted (special needs) children. Why would someone with 14 children suddenly decide at the age of 40 (or so) to adopt another child who didn't have special needs? And adopting a white child in America is very difficult, and takes a long time. Given Mia's age, her unmarried status, and the amount of children she already had, plus her ability to have children of her own, she wouldn't have been at the front of the line. She adopted Dylan very quickly.

R92, well, did you do your homework and Google? Give us one of the links. You were given the keywords!

R91 is either Russian, mongoloid, or his computer has no Shift key or autocorrect. .....Hmmm, I'm guessing all three.

[quote]Farrow and Allen engage Dr. Susan Coates, a child psychologist in New York, who will later testify in a custody hearing that Satchel (now Ronan) was alienated from Allen and that the parents’ relationship was “in considerable trouble.” Coates also evaluates Dylan, whom she finds to be “taken over by fantasy” when asked to describe even a tree. Coates counsels Allen about his relative indifference to Satchel as compared with Dylan, 5, upon whom he lavishes attention. Of the latter relationship, Coates will testify, “I did not see it as sexual, but I saw it as inappropriately intense because it excluded everybody else, and it placed a demand on a child for a kind of acknowledgment that I felt should not be placed on a child.”

I wonder if Dylan knows who her biological parents were. Or at least the biological mom. The circumstances of why she was put up for adoption. Did she ever attempt to reach out to her bio mom? Would Mia have allowed it? (Not that she had a choice, but she might have tried to discourage it).

Oh dear R94 "Someone clearly just said it was well known." We hadn't read that important footnote. How illuminating. I shall march to Woody Allen's apartment now with my torch and Bavarian costume.

R89 = Obviously quite insufferable in real life. Is there anyone more condescending?

Exactly, R100.

R91 it would be hard for young people today to understand the attitude towards WA back then. He was held up as this unassailable genius by pseudo-intellectuals.

Obviously, he's very mediocre but back then his "genius" was unquestioned. People like Barbra Walters (who told Corey Feldman to shut up about pedos) praised WA as a daddy. (Her own daughter had some severe criticisms of her as a mummy.) If WA was a genius then that meant that all the people who sucked up to him were special, too. How convenient.

Plus, there was this BS idea that "artists" should be given more leeway to be freaky. But what we see today is that pervs and predators are drawn to the arts because of this attitude not because they are especially talented.

Page 25 of the documents at HuffPo linked upthread shows that Woody grabbed Satchel's leg when he was a kid, twisted it, and said he would "break his fucking leg."

Not strangulation but something similar. Enjoy.

R101 Sorry, I may be insufferable, but I'm not stupid. And thats what assuming facts are, especially when you have no basis for them, I don't believe Dylan's story, but she doesn't exhibit any specials needs traits. The poster goes from, Mia has some biological kids to, Mia also has special needs adopted kids, to Mia must have adopted a white kid because she was special needs. Does that make any sense ? No, it doesn't, and if you think my pointing out is condescending, then I think you're dumb.

Was "grooming" even a concept back then that the therapist would think about when evaluating Allen?

[quote]So many people posting with cleared cookies. That's bizarre.

It's probably one obsessed person clearing cookies after every post. People have been wondering whether Mia, Dylan or Ronan post here and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they did, although obviously it's most probably some normal person obsessed with the whole case. It seems there's always a Farrow/Allen thread going on here which in itself is bizarre.

I'm skimming the court documents r106 and they imply he may have been grooming Soon-Yi, but I don't see the term being used.

[quote]People have been wondering whether Mia, Dylan or Ronan post here and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they did

No, you just keep claiming in every thread that they post here. No one else has ever suggested it.

Good for Alec.

R105, I think R82/R95 is making a very logical point. And we're not being held to discussing only facts we know for certain here. Conjecture and wondering about things we don't know is perfectly legitimate on a message boards such as this.

The middle aged man has given his opinion- everyone else can shut up now.

R109, I haven't suggested that even once before but it says a lot about you that you jump to that conclusion in a heartbeat. Just like we can't be sure they post here we can't be sure that they DON'T so what's the point of arguing about it. Someone is so obsessed with dragging Woody Allen down that it's really not that weird to wonder if it's the Farrows doing it.

All hail the middle-aged man!

There's no way someone saying "we need to know if Dylan is retarded so we can establish her credibility" is doing so in good faith, r111.

For the sake of argument, let's say they mean it sincerely; it's still a bad idea. Mental health or special needs are not something the average layperson understands.

Go, Alec!

Surely Alec is waaay past middle age.

And why did all the people demanding links and proof disappear?

"Mr. Baldwin is a great man and one of the finest actors of our time."

A lot of the DL pedo apologists attempt to claim this is all about "unstable" Mia and her "brainwashed" children.

But a Vanity Fair article at the time also quoted Maureen O'Sullivan, Mia's mother, as having witnessed improper things, such as Woody massaging one of the small children between her butt cheeks.

He's a perv. Apparently so are a lot of DLers.

The decades old ferocity and bullying of complete strangers by threatening their Hollywood viability is the part that is so dangerous. I'm skeptical by nature and most assuredly molested children's angry mothers seek a judicial solution to that crime, generally. The vast majority do not use the child in question to destroy an ex-lover 25 years after the fact, and seek to include complete strangers and their reputations in a public "take no prisoners" manner.....I can't believe how many people are falling for this.

I once saw a psychiatrist at one of his offices at a well known celebrity type rehab center in the tri-state area and at one point I was like 'lol I wish I could just be woody Allen and own my neuroses' or something stupid like that' and he looked at me very pointedly and was like 'you really don't want to be woody Allen. Don't say that.' I later learned that my psychiatrist was working at Lenox Hill when all of this stuff with Dylan was going on & I'll bet he saw Woody as a patient from the way he said what he said.

R119 Woody threads attract the pedos. Like trans, they have screwed up thinking and can be spotted a mile away.

I think the question is, is defending a man who married his step daughter that he watched grow up really the hill any reasonable grown man wants to die on? Alec's obsession with defending Woody here is concerning.

[quote]But a Vanity Fair article at the time also quoted Maureen O'Sullivan, Mia's mother, as having witnessed improper things, such as Woody massaging one of the small children between her butt cheeks.

And of course someone's old, alcoholic mother who is depending on her daughter for her livelihood wouldn't say something to support her distraught, potentially out-of-work daughter, now would she? After all, this is a woman who raised a pedophile, a suicidal alcoholic and a woman who defends a child rapists (Roman Polanski). Not a lot of credibility there.

R123 that's why Alec concerns me. A guy with normal thinking would back the hell away from this mess. Alec's wife must be freaked out. They got 4 small kids to support.

R120 "I can't believe how many people are falling for this."

What is your point? I'm not trying to be glib, really. I was really involved with what you were saying, but then I got really confused by the final sentence. Please elaborate if you don't mind. Thank you.

I think it's so funny how some people think Woody didn't do this. Just look at the way he holds Dylan in old photos, the creepiness radiates off of him. Look at his own daughters' body language when he's around them. Look at how he basically ravages young Mariel Hemingway's face in Manhattan, look at how he married his step daughter that he knew before she went through puberty, like holy shit how can people not read between the lines. And, you know, just look at him. Would it be so hard to believe if he were your neighbor?

It's so strange that these Woody Allen threads are always filled with people who want to shut down all conversations, and do so by labeling people who are trying to understand both sides as pedophiles themselves. Why not allow open discussion of a subject where there really are two compelling sides, and lots of interesting aspects? Why all the ad hominem attacks and assumptions? This is a "discussion" board.

R128 Are you new to DataLounge?

I would also say: why is Woody always holding Dylan in old photos? Isn't it a little weird for the mom's boyfriend to be holding her own young child all the time? He seems obsessed with her, you can see it in his body language, he's grasping her close.

I was expecting a swift attack on Maureen O'Sullivan, R124.

Thank you for not disappointing.

[quote]Why all the ad hominem attacks and assumptions?

You mean like R124's ad hominem attack on a witness to molestation?

Not everyone posting pro-Woody stuff is a pedo or a pedo supporter. But some are and we shouldn't bury our heads. It's understandable that pedos would stick up for each other.

It's also probably traumatizing for pedos and their supporters to see WA fall after these years after being a revered figure and an untouchable pedo. It's the beginning of a real change in our culture.

Mia is/was an incredibly controlling and manipulative woman. And, like many, was able to disguise it by appearing needy, helpless, and ethereal,(ask Dory Previn). Woody had no interest in parenting, and therefore, was awful at it. But Mia wanted him to bond with her on that level, so she arranged to adopt the exact type of child that might appeal to Woody. Someone like she herself. A beautiful, needy blond child. A shiksa! So yes, Woody became interested. He was fascinated with Dylan. And yes, not knowing how to be with children, he acted inappropriately. It doesn't sound like it was even overly sexual on his part, though. And when Mia found out about Soon-yi, she became enraged and ran with it.

It's just there's a big difference between a man being attracted to a 17 year old girl versus a 7-year old girl. The pedos interested in 7yr olds start to turn off when they reach puberty, (while others start to turn on). I think Woody was a sleaze, I think he had lots of issues, but I don't think he did this. But Mia knew all those issues, and knew how to use them against him to get her revenge. It's just when she orchestrated this plan, she didn't consider the long term. That if it successfully worked, it would never be over. She would have to keep up the facade her entire life or she would lose everything, including her own children. It's a whole different kind of pathology.

Those who believe Woody is guilty and have wanted him to come out, admit it and apologize after all these years, please just consider this: What if he's been telling the truth about this one incident and Mia is the one who's been lying all along? (I believe Dylan has been victimized no matter what side you're on). For Mia to come out, admit she made it up, and ask for Woody's forgiveness, could have far worse repercussions than any awaiting Woody.

Help me out here. Does anybody else see it from this point of view?

That's not true, R133. Some pedos can be interested in a wide age range. Hell, some pedos are married to full-grown women and have kids of their own.

R133 you have strange ideas. It's uncomfortable.

Yes, R133, Mia's psychic abilities allowed her to plant false memories in the minds of her children and mother.

And Mia wrote all the March-December romance themes into Woody's movies. Bet you didn't know she's been writing his films all along.

That's really great, r133! Only I think Dylan was a very ugly child.

Two points that make me lean in WA's favor:

1) Moses Farrow says the molestation claim is all bullshit and that Mia coached and abused the kids. Though as a child, after the break-up, Moses was very anti-WA, now that he's an adult he's reconnected and made peace with WA, and has described what happened in detail (including the fact that the attic where Dylan was supposedly molested wasn't really fit for human occupation, with open fiberglass insulation, etc.). Also, Moses is now a family therapist. Why would he put his occupation at risk and lie about what happened?

2) How were WA and Soon-Yi able to adopt not one but two children after they married? Aren't potential adoptive parents required to go through a number of steps, including home visits and evaluations by case workers? If I were an adoption case worker set to evaluate a celebrity considered by many to be a pedophile, wouldn't I be very, very careful about how I proceeded? Wouldn't I make sure every "i" was dotted and every "t" crossed? Would I risk losing my career and livelihood--not to mention commit a grossly immoral act--by approving a child for adoption to a pedophile?

R138 it was a private adoption. Also, are you young?

No [R 139], I'm not young. Why do you ask?

The things you said about adoption, R140. That's why.

The court made it clear that there was no evidence of Mia brainwashing the kids.

And as has been posted one hundred million times, the documents that would have flagged Allen's adoption paperwork for review went missing a long, long time ago.

[quote]I would also say: why is Woody always holding Dylan in old photos? Isn't it a little weird for the mom's boyfriend to be holding her own young child all the time? He seems obsessed with her, you can see it in his body language, he's grasping her close.

Mia and Woody both adopted Dylan. She was just as much his daughter as Mia's.

Mia adopted Dylan by herself in 1985. Woody didn't adopt Dylan until 1991.

The police began their investigation; a possible indictment hung in the balance. I very willingly took a lie-detector test and of course passed because I had nothing to hide. I asked Mia to take one and she wouldn’t. Last week a woman named Stacey Nelkin, whom I had dated many years ago, came forward to the press to tell them that when Mia and I first had our custody battle 21 years ago, Mia had wanted her to testify that she had been underage when I was dating her, despite the fact this was untrue. Stacey refused. I include this anecdote so we all know what kind of character we are dealing with here. One can imagine in learning this why she wouldn’t take a lie-detector test.

Meanwhile the Connecticut police turned for help to a special investigative unit they relied on in such cases, the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of the Yale-New Haven Hospital. This group of impartial, experienced men and women whom the district attorney looked to for guidance as to whether to prosecute, spent months doing a meticulous investigation, interviewing everyone concerned, and checking every piece of evidence. Finally they wrote their conclusion which I quote here: “It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen.

Further, we believe that Dylan’s statements on videotape and her statements to us during our evaluation do not refer to actual events that occurred to her on August 4th, 1992... In developing our opinion we considered three hypotheses to explain Dylan’s statements. First, that Dylan’s statements were true and that Mr. Allen had sexually abused her; second, that Dylan’s statements were not true but were made up by an emotionally vulnerable child who was caught up in a disturbed family and who was responding to the stresses in the family; and third, that Dylan was coached or influenced by her mother, Ms. Farrow. While we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused, we can not be definite about whether the second formulation by itself or the third formulation by itself is true. We believe that it is more likely that a combination of these two formulations best explains Dylan’s allegations of sexual abuse.”

woody walked free

mia lives in insanity....

R120, that’s the problem I have with this whole thing. And btw, I’m the kind of person who tends to believe children when they say they were molested. Most kids don’t make that up. I was molested by a family member when I was 7. He touched my vagina inappropriately, repeatedly, whenever I wore a dress & was visiting his home with my family. I still remember the day I told my aunt. I didn’t even have the correct vocabulary to describe what was happening, but I asked her if anyone touched her “there”, & described what was happening as best as I possibly could. I was believed, & I’m truly grateful for that. I was telling the truth.

My father handled it in the following manner: he never allowed me to spend time there again. If we went to the house of this person, my father was beside me at all times. I was never left unsupervised. And that was that. Unfortunately, we had to go to my molester’s home for reasons that I won’t disclose because I want most of this admission about what happened to me to remain private. But what I am getting at is that my family did address the situation as well as possible at that time.

I have not forgotten what happened to me, yet I also do not feel the need to bring it up repeatedly. I’ve discussed it in therapy and with a few close friends, etc. I don’t understand the renewed and concerted effort on Mis’s, Dylan’s, & Ronan’s part.

Mia felt there was a problem. She believed that her daughter was molested. She alerted authorities and went to court in order to gain full custody of Dylan & Satchel (aka: Ronan). She succeeded in gaining full custody of her children, secured child support, & had all of her legal fees paid for by Woody Allen. Her children were safe, & financially provided for, which from what I understand, was her goal.

So what’s the point of rehashing this over and over again? Why must the general public believe Dylan? Why must an actor or actress who is building a career, and who is interested in working with Allen, hold an opinion regarding Allen’s previous custody battle, and domestic disputes that were already addressed in a court of law?

I understand Mia wanting to tell her story, and Dylan too. You write a book, or do an interview with Vanity Fair. OK, great! Now explain to me, why I, as an actor or actress, am required to base my career choices regarding working with Woody Allen, on your experience with him as a father or ex long term partner?

It’s wrong for Dylan to repeatedly attack people who choose to work with her father. It’s none of her fucking business, just like it isn’t the business of the actor or actress who chooses to work with him.

Never stop being you, Alec Baldwin.

She was adopted as a newborn, R148, nice try though. Your argument would also apply to Moses, you realize?

R147, the same could be said of Weinstein and Spacey.

R147, the same could be said of Singer and Masterson.

Not bringing charges is part of Dylan's "truth".

[quote] I later learned that my psychiatrist was working at Lenox Hill when all of this stuff with Dylan was going on & I'll bet he saw Woody as a patient from the way he said what he said.

R121, if your psychiatrist was a professional I doubt he would've even hinted at anything about another patient. Especially when the patient is a huge celebrity. The first thing people know about Woody Allen from his movies is that he's neurotic. I assume your psychiatrist meant that.

R150 and r151, no, the same cannot be said. Woody Allen and Mia Farrow handled this in a court of law. The allegations regarding Weinstein and Spacey are not being handled in a court of law as of yet. Also, people have decided, based on public opinion, to not work with Weinstein and Spacey, whereas others continue to work with Allen.

Here’s the bottom line: the only two people who know the truth are Allen and Dylan. There isn’t a solid decision made regarding this by a court of law.

If people want to work with Allen, that’s there decision. That’s their business. They are not required to carry a torch for Dylan. They really aren’t.

Refusing to work with Allen does NOT validate Dylan’s story. It just adds to mass hysteria.

I’m not completely comfortable with believing that Allen molested Dylan, and it’s not because I think he’s some film making genius. I don’t believe that. But Mia’s behavior makes me raise an eyebrow. It does.

What Allen did with Soon Yi pretty much turned me off to him and his work. That in itself was enough for me. I found that to be out of bounds, and inappropriate as all get out. I never gave Allen a pass on that. But that also does not prove that he molested his daughter Dylan.

Mia had a huge bone to pick with Allen. He had sex with her daughter, and I cannot imagine how hurtful that must have been. If that happened to me, I would have wanted the man DEAD. Period, end of story. But being a reasonable adult, I know that I cannot go out and kill my ex for having sex with my adopted teen or legal adult daughter, because I would go to jail if I did. So what’s the next best thing? Kill the mother fucker’s career.

This situation doesn’t seem like it was about protecting Dylan, as much as it was about protecting Dylan initially, and then spending the next 24 plus years, dragging Allen’s name through the mud.

This has been the crux of Mia Farrow’s life. Dragging Woody Allen’s reputation through the mud with allegations of child molestation. Even if he did do it, the whole thing becomes suspect by its continued rehashing.

I have no idea if Allen molested Dylan as a child, and unfortunately, neither do you, or anyone else, for that matter.

Also, consider this: alleging that Woody Allen molested Dylan for decades is not justice. Allen is an 80 something year old man, who will lose nothing if Hollywood turns its back on him at this point. He has managed to work consistently all of his life. He has 5 to 15 years of life left, max. The man has done it all. There is nothing that he will be missing out on by this point.

It’s over. Woody Allen has lived his life, and has had a successful career, despite the molestation accusations.

Get over it and move on. Yes, I said it. The incident is OVER and DONE with. Time to let it go.

I think the manipulation of public opinion orchestrated by Mia hits a raw nerve with Baldwin. Basinger is the one who leaked Baldwin's call to his daughter.

Rowan could not give a shit about actresses, what young man does? It's all career building for him.

Well, I'd compare Baldwin to Mayella Ewell's father.

Every pro-Woody argument goes back to the statements he released during and after the trial, R155. You can't call Mia out without calling Woody out, too.

[quote] I have not forgotten what happened to me, yet I also do not feel the need to bring it up repeatedly.

So you're not the person who brings their own molestation up in every Woody Allen thread?

And how does this work, exactly? "I just told you details about a guy touching my vagina when I was a child, but I don't ever talk about it."

The thing is, you can take Dylan, Mia and SY out of the equation entirely and still find him a lifelong gross perv re young girls.

Look at the jokes about rape and molestation of young girls in his work well before he met Mia. Prior to Mia, he literally placed subliminal advertising for "Father incest" in Stardust Memories.

[quote]Mia felt there was a problem. She believed that her daughter was molested. She alerted authorities

Newp. Mia felt there was a problem but she did not believe Dylan had been molested. The pediatrician did. They're the ones who reported the incident, not Mia.

[quote]Mia is/was an incredibly controlling and manipulative woman. And, like many, was able to disguise it by appearing needy, helpless, and ethereal,(ask Dory Previn). Woody had no interest in parenting, and therefore, was awful at it. But Mia wanted him to bond with her on that level, so she arranged to adopt the exact type of child that might appeal to Woody. Someone like she herself. A beautiful, needy blond child. A shiksa!

For fuck's sake.

He started dating his first wife when she was 15, married her when she was 16. He picked her up from high school.

A decade later he dated another minor schoolgirl, the one he based Manhattan on. He also picked her up from high school. Dude is a gross perv.

It's Official! Alec Baldwin is truly a major ass.

The guy who posted this:

[quote]Why not allow open discussion of a subject where there really are two compelling sides, and lots of interesting aspects? Why all the ad hominem attacks and assumptions?

Also posted this:

[quote]And of course someone's old, alcoholic mother who is depending on her daughter for her livelihood wouldn't say something to support her distraught, potentially out-of-work daughter, now would she? After all, this is a woman who raised a pedophile, a suicidal alcoholic and a woman who defends a child rapists (Roman Polanski). Not a lot of credibility there.

Come on. You people aren't even TRYING anymore.

You can always count on Woody topics bringing out the fraus

[quote]He started dating his first wife when she was 15, married her when she was 16. He picked her up from high school.

How old was he at the time?

I fear for the safety of all those little tots. It would be a lot for a mellow, nurturing guy. Alex is a narcissist and rager, and his abuse of kids who refuse to be adequate narcissistic supply is documented. He was literally in a narcissistic rage at Ireland, it was all me, me, me. He's a scary dude.

R159 Thank you for the article. It spells out clearly what I alluded to @ R136. He's hardly hidden his perversity.

As for Alex Baldwin, given his parenting skills he's really the last person whose opinion on this topic I want to hear.

This interview was years before Mia and he revels in his perversity. He was 40.

“I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him.” Allen pauses. “Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. “I admit to it all.”

Before Mia, revelling in perversity...

"I had to live many years, and, after many trials and tribulations, I have come to the conclusion that the best thing [in life] is ... blonde 12-year-old girls. Two of them, whenever possible." (Woody Allen, Love and Death)

R158, I don’t clear my cookies, because when I do so, I am not able to post on DL for several days. I use a separate browser and VPN in order to access DL and post. Look at my posting history. NEVER, not once, have I EVER discussed my molestation by a family member on this site. I have been on DL since 1998, and though I have not always posted, I have always read threads and posts by others. The topic of childhood sexual abuse has come up repeatedly here, and today is the first time I have brought it up.

Also, I do not need to justify anything to you. I am telling my story today because I want to make it clear that I empathize with Dylan. I believe Dylan was exposed to inappropriate attention by Allen. I don’t know if he actually molested her, but I do believe that the intention could have existed.

I also share my story to say this: having been touched on my vagina by a family member was damaging in some respects of course. However, that in itself was not what I hung all of my issues upon. I was able to move on from that, and I was able to place the incident where it belongs, which is in the past. There was never anything for me to gain by telling everyone about it all of the time. I handled it as best I could as a child, and then handled it in therapy as an adult.

My point is that there is no healing or justice in expecting total strangers to denounce Woody Allen, and not work with him. And that’s the truth. Dylan will only come to realize this once Woody Allen is dead.

This photo says it all, the resemblance to D and SY, the skimpy clothes, the body language.

I think Dylan felt that Me Too should not exclude Allen, as is her prerogative.

It's official. Alec Baldwin is a hero during this scoundrel time.

Sexualized at a very young age, so sad. The other little girls are far more covered up.

SY 2.0 in the tiniest of shorts.

These girls should have gone to good, loving, non-perv homes.

That the NYS file on Dylan was disappeared before their adoptions were rammed through says it all.

R171, a friend found SIA to be very helpful.

I agree R133, pedos tend to be preferential, particularly when it comes to age. And whomever up thread said that it's not true because pedos marry women and have kids... The reason is typically to give the person the appearance of normality. And before anyone goes off calling me a pedo for knowing these things, I should remind people that deviant behaviour psychology is something that is taught in college.

R176, what’s SIA? Is that like SLAA? I’ve been to SLAA meetings, and I don’t identify. I’m not a sex or love addict.

Interestingly enough, I have a pretty healthy outlook regarding relationships & sex. I don’t have hang ups, I’ve never been promiscuous to the point where it ruined my life (I had several partners in college, and nothing about that was unhealthy), and I enjoy sex.

I believe I’ve dealt with what happened as best I could. Honestly, the emotional, verbal and physical abuse that I endured from my mother was far more damaging than the molestation. My mother was/is a terrible human being, and she has inflicted damage and pain upon everyone who has had the misfortune to live with her. Now that’s the stuff that I am currently still sorting out and working through.

Smell R173. The pedos are now comparing their "persecution" to the McCarthy era.

R177 if you'd been anywhere a DSM, you'd know pedo preferences are frequently not [bold]exclusive[/bold] preferences.

Not true when it comes to age, r179. Someone interested in post pubescent isn't going to be interested in prepubescent.

That should be post pubescent and prepubescent children in r180.

What an odd picture, R174. It looks like she's wearing a suit that was made for a 3- or 4-year-old, but she's way too old for it now and it's too short.

R180, there is such a thing as an "exclusive pedophile" and a "non-exclusive pedophile." R179 is exactly right.

They are human beings, more than sad little props or grow your own, victims.

R178, you could look into it and see what you think. As I said, a friend found it helpful.

R171, the way you personally dealt with your situation has nothing to do with Dylan.

Others here are going to be kinder to you than I am, but I have to be blunt: I don't believe you. The fact that you've brought this up numerous times on several threads, all while saying you never talk about it, gives me pause. The fact that you first showed concern for the "mass hysteria" of those who believe Dylan, and how wrong it is to be "dragging Woody Allen’s reputation through the mud," and only THEN claimed you yourself were molested is not convincing.

Especially when you go into such disturbing detail about it, and then use your own experience as "proof" that Dylan and Mia are harming poor, innocent Woody Allen.

It's sketchy. Every time someone starts talking in detail about the genitals of little kids on Woody Allen threads, I am hugely, HUGELY skeptical of their reasons.

Good for him. Finally a male celebrity with balls again.

Question everything, people.

Good catch, R186.

R180 Bullshit. There are all sorts of pedos.

Alec Baldwin screamed at his daughter and called her a "thoughtless little pig" because she didn't pick up the phone, and that's just an incident between the two we have proof for. Ireland has probably been verbally abused by Alec many, many times. Others have also said how big an asshole Alec is.

And Alec did a sex scene with 17 year old Nikki Reed in Mini's First Time, but claimed to have not known she was 16 at casting time. Two producers and the director said EVERYBODY knew, which is why there's no nudity, and one of the producers claimed Baldwin picked Reed when she was 16 instead of the other actresses.

Alec probably sees a bit of himself in Woody and is scared of backlash, which is why he has been defending him lately. I know he defended before a couple weeks ago.

A plague on both their houses, Allen's and Baldwin's.

I believe he was working on the pervy sounding ,"Mini' s First Time" when the phone incident occurred. Not only did it show his raging and his narcissistic tendencies but his need for extreme control. No way are things peachy in a house with 4 tiny, willful kids, ages 4 and under!

Baldwin looks handsome in that first pic.

A 1993 custody order gave Woody supervised visitation with Ronan three times a week. The judge said Ronan was not allowed to spend the night at Woody's apartment, nor was he permitted to see Soon-Yi. Ronan and Woody would bake cakes and build model toys. According to Woody in a 1994 interview with Esquire, "[W]hen I'd tell him I loved him, he'd say, 'I like you, but I'm not supposed to love you.'"

In 1996—with a custody battle still being waged—visitation was suspended after Woody was said to have put both his hands around Ronan's neck in front of the supervising psychiatrist. A judge ordered that visitation could resume only in the psychiatrist's office. It was a term to which Woody reportedly would not agree, but Ronan didn't want to see his father anyway, so visitations ceased.

Link re R194

Any grown adult who would choke a young child DURING court ordered SUPERVISED VISITATION does not believe rules apply to him.

More narcissistic raging, like his buddy Alec.

They’re all twisted. All of them.

R190 I wonder if that is the movie (mentioned at R24) that Baldwin wanted Lohan to be in.

White, educated, wealthy people, you've got what you need to cope with your problems. Figure it out and get back to us when you can help others who don't have your privelege.

Thanks for linking to the choking incident. I didn't see a link to it before, just the link to Allen twisting Ronan's leg when he was a little kid and threatening to break it off.

Woody Allen is a mess.

Therapy and analysis makes psychopaths and narcissists worse. They need strict accountability and to be taught empathy. The vulnerable need to be protected from them, they are seen as prey.

R186, check your issues.

R190, I'm not going to make assumptions about a father-daughter relationship based on one incident of a father losing it with his daughter and yelling at her. We have no idea what either was like as a father or as a daughter. While it seems wrong to me, parents make mistakes and lose their tempers. It doesn't necessarily define their relationshop.

Also here we go again - Oh EVERYONE knew. Well, Baldwin is saying he didn't know. Why should we believe that EVERYONE knew? Was it announced and sent to everyone?

Losing your temper and yelling when your child breaks something important or gets in trouble with the law is different than yelling and insulting her because she "insulted you" by not picking up the phone. No doubt his narcissistic ass has insulted her unprovoked like that before.

Also in the video he doesn't even know how old she is and he is projecting exactly like Trump in phone call, saying she doesn't have brains or decency as a human being.

R186, I think you’re a sick person. If you think that me discussing that I was touched in my vagina as a child, a pedophile, then you’re nuts.

It doesn’t bother me that you don’t believe me. Honestly, it doesn’t. What can I say or do? I can’t prove it to you, and I cannot convince you otherwise. And I’m OK with that, mainly because you are a stranger, and have no bearing on my experience whatsoever. The people who I needed to believe me when I was a kid, did. And keep in mind, I had no idea that what was happening to me was wrong. J was 7 years old, I had no idea.

That being said, I don’t need the validation of others for “my truth”, and S a person who had a similar experience, I wonder why Dylan does.

I have to admit .... I agree with Baldwin. The #metoo thing has #jumpedtheshark .... I don't know the truth, but I don't see Dylan as 100% believable either. And I just saw how Kate Winslet had her arm twisted to finally make a vague statement about working with "men of power." See? It's becoming vogue to trash these men, and if you disagree or don't care or are minding your business, the whole "movement" is forcing you to choose a side. And I think the Woody Allen case is not clear cut. See the response to Scarlett Johansson's comments, too. She got called out b/c she trashed Franco but didn't speak out about Allen -- who she likes and enjoys working with and whose family business she does not give a fuck about.

Correction:

[R186], I think you’re a sick person. If you think that me discussing that I was touched in my vagina as a child, makes me a pedophile, then you’re nuts.

Also, let me add: what is wrong and graphic about me describing my sexual molestation by using appropriate anatomical terminology to describe where I was touched? I am an adult, and I am using appropriate and adult language. Would it be more acceptable to say my “wee-wee”?

R186, grow up, and go see someone regarding your hypersensitivity to the use of anatomically correct language.

The more Alex Baldwin defends woody Allen the more I believe Dylan

Regarding picture at R195 - Is that Dylan that WA is carrying?

She is pretty big there - you can see how long her legs are.

A kid that big should be standing on her own with her brothers and sisters.

And WA is a little twerp and Dylan was no infant, she would weigh quite a bit.

He's a perv.

Dylan chews with her mouth open and never uses a napkin.

Alec Baldwin is still totally blowable.

Art and artists are two different things.

Hate Wagner because Hitler idolized him. Hate Elia Kazan for informing. Hate Arthur Laurents for being a prick. Hate Polanski for his crime.

The fact of the matter is Woody Allen escaped legally unscathed from his accusations, in two states. 20+ years ago. It is what it is.

We no longer live in a country where one is innocent until proven guilty, but... enough. Enough.

ANNIE HALL, MANHATTAN, HANNAH AND HER SISTERS, MATCH POINT and MIDNIGHT IN PARIS will be viewed and adored for decades to come. Fact.

But, hate... you do it so well.

R212 they are not even "adored" now except by a few Woody stans. Woody is known to most people alive today for marrying his pseudo-daughter not any films he made.

You are insane. Even my elderly parents love "Midnight in Paris".

The operative word being "elderly", R214.

Aside from this controversy, Woody Allen’s work is fantastic. I’m not really into his recent stuff, but I love his earlier work and Dylan’s accusations will not change that for me. I started going to the movies with my girlfriends when I was 15, and we saw his films religiously from then on. Maybe it’s because I grew up in NYC, but I loved his films then, and I still love those very same films now.

Growing up in NYC might explain it. A lot of impressionable NYCers were fed the WA "genius" myth.

I want to watch Alec Baldwin sit on Justin Timberlake's face with his naked ass.

Frankly, I think the person with the pedo-insistence who finds "pervs" everywhere is the scary disturbed one.

Michael Sheen's character was my favorite part in MiP.

"Everywhere"?

Hint to R219: Only unintelligent people try to discredit an argument or proposition with coarse exaggeration. Notice how many Republicans use that tactic. ("Let two men marry and soon people will be marrying farm animals!")

Speaking of coarse exaggeration...

It's almost amusing how the bullying on this WA subject goes down here and elsewhere. If you don't fall in line with Dylan, hoo boy, she and her DylanArmy are gonna getcha! No escape! No difference of opinion is allowed. When does the Baldwin boycott get called? I see the smearing and insinuations are well underway. He yelled at his daughter, what a creep, what's he hiding? No questioning else you're a pedo apologist or a pedo yourself. Or, a claim of being sexually abused as a child is not believed because the commenter doesn't believe the Dylan story, ironic! Good grief.

Page Six reports his latest film A Rainy Day in New York may never see the light of day. Amazon is set to distribute the film, and the company refused to comment, but an unnamed Hollywood exec told the outlet, “Rainy Day will either not come out or [will] get dumped by Amazon without any p.r. or theatrical release.” The anonymous exec also noted, “(Allen is) having trouble casting his new film.”

Ahem!!

The post at R224 makes me kind of sad. I don't like totalitarianism in any form.

R40 is incorrect. Woody remains the legal father of Dylan, Ronan and Moses

You don't know what totalitarianism is.

[quote]Therapy and analysis makes psychopaths and narcissists worse. They need strict accountability and to be taught empathy. The vulnerable need to be protected from them, they are seen as prey.

That's a bit harsh but after what I've read of Mia she really seems to be seriously damaged.

R226 I think what you mean is that you don't like that actions have consequences.

Alec Baldwin gets a free pass on everything.

Maybe Alec has already had to do some private payoffs. Might explain why he has to work so hard at this stage of his career.

Somewhere way upthread (I'm a bit too lazy to search for it), somebody said Maureen O'Sullivan depended on her daughter financially, and for that reason would perjure herself to put Woody Allen in a bad light. Not at all. In the early 1980's, the widow O'Sullivan married a wealthy construction company owner and philanthropist named Cushing, and consequently never had to worry about money again. In fact, Cushing helped support Mia's family and paid some of the children's school fees.

The incident in question is when Woody Allen was visiting Mia in the country and was rubbing sun lotion under Dylan's pants and between her buttocks. Maureen O'Sullivan grabbed the lotion away from him and said, "How do you want to be remembered by your children," probably hoping to jar him into the realization that he wouldn't want to be remembered as the creepy old man who couldn't keep his hands off Dylan. But he just shrugged off her question and continued down that road until he was stopped by the courts giving full custody to Mia.

[quote]I'm a bit too lazy to search for it

I don't think you are a bit too lazy at all r233.

[R160], I believe pediatricians are required by law to report potential instances of abuse.

[R133], [R147], [R154], thanks for your entirely rational comments.

"The doctor who headed the Connecticut investigation into whether Woody Allen molested his 7-year-old daughter, Dylan, theorized that the child either invented the story under the stress of living in a volatile and unhealthy home or that it was planted in her mind by her mother, Mia Farrow, a sworn statement released yesterday says.

Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. "

Same old fucking shit. She was/is coached. She was/is brainwashed. She was/is lying. It was all "planted in her mind" and remained there forevermore. Same old bullshit. And indeed, it IS bullshit.

This doctor Leventhal, whoever the quack is, sounds like he doesn't know his ass from his elbow. So her story "changed?" What doctor would think that a child that age would remember correctly right down to the last detail every single minute of her molestation? What kind of a doctor would expect that from a traumatized, molested child? Apparently this incompetent did. He probably said to her "while he was supposedly doing these things to you, did you enjoy it? Did you do anything to stop it? What were you wearing?"

R36 so many posting with cleared cookies reeks of Woody Allen's hired people.

R236 Justice Wilk who made a ruling in the 1993 custody case examines all of what you describe. The actual legal document is online. I don't see how anyone who actually reads the ruling and has half a brain can defend Woody Allen. I can't imagine anything worse than being molested by your father and then having his team of PR fuckheads attack you into eternity.

[quote] The more Alex Baldwin defends woody Allen the more I believe Dylan

If that's not a joke then you're an idiot.

Amazing to read all the name-calling and foot-stamping going on in this thread when it is ALL speculation and no one knows exactly what happened. But go ahead, pick your side, and defend it to the end even though you can't be certain.

Unless you are Dylan or Woody.

R238) I'll help you out. Here is the ruling.

R233 thanks for clearing that up. The pedo defenders will attempt to discredit witnesses, even if they must resort to lies.

I don’t see how anyone can read the Wilk decision and not see his blatant bias.

Such a know it all.