Was Janet Jackson Overrated in her prime??

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis MADE her.

It's always been pure luck with her. That ridiculous fake baby voice makes me stabby.

Cry me a river, Janet.

What R1 said.

Are you fucking kidding me? In her prime, she’s untouchable. Her greatest hits list is one of the best an artist could wish for.

R5 = Jermaine Dupri

Well let’s get to it, R6. You want to put her greatest hits up against your fav artist then let’s fucking go.

Such a strange post. Her songs were a huge part of the 80s/90s, and you want to dismiss her completely? OP you are an idiot... and a big ol' MARY!

R7 and R8 - no need to get your panties in a wad, Jesus, you ain't Katherine Jackson!

More like late 80's early 90's. R8

Everything after 'Runaway' sucked and Damita Jo never got her groove back.

The persistent need to negate the career of this woman always strikes me as one of DL's most egregious yet unacknowledged episodes or racism.

R8 The Kardashians are a huge part of out time now, If someone is huge and famous, it doesn't mean they deserve it.

Given the field at the time, plus the cache of being the sister of maicharl, no she wasn’t overrated although the machine did not grind out super divas in the same way it does now.

*michael destroyed by autocorrect.

3 fabulous albums in a row

r10 "all for you" is magic...including the video

I really liked Rhythm Nation. Control and When I Think of You were huge at the clubs back in the day.

Rhythm Nation 1814 is the only album in the history of the US Billboard Hot 100 singles chart to have seven commercial singles peak within the top five positions. It is also the only album to produce number one hits on the chart in three separate calendar years (1989–1991).

being Michael sister did it for her..she was just a chubby small lady....nothing special about her...Also she was the only real pop and dance black girl form that era, so she had that audience only for her, Whitney was more of an Adele kind of singer...now she would not have a chance against Rihanna, or Beyonce

Sit down and shut up, r19.

who?[R20].

Lousy singer.

Yeah, what R20 said. I loved me some Jody Watley in the day.

She can sing, she just doesn't have power or range, but she can sing. There's a documentary podcast that has her isolated voca tracks. She did most of her own BG vocals with stacked harmony.

Control alone cemented her success. As already stated, it broke all kinds of records (mainly due to Jam & Lewis) but Janet has the personality and presence to pull it off. Despite not being a trained dancer, much like Michael, her natural ability is evident in her videos and concerts where her dancing is just more "ON" than any of the trained dancers behind her.

Jam &lewis were responsible for like75% of the R&B and a huge chunk of Pop hits in the 80s. They knew how to craft a hit.

Gimme a beat!

The feminist lyrics to Nasty Boys and social justice-tinged lyrics to Rhythm Nation resonate now more than ever.

Janet pioneered head mics and highly choreographed dance breaks into the video age. The song Nasty was the first new jack swing hit and lots of female and male artists started using that sound and incorporating dance into their music after that. The whole TRL age of singer/dancers (*NSYNC, Britney, Usher, Beyonce) all credit Janet's videos as an influence. The success of Janet's Control was so great it landed her choreographer (Paula Abdul) a music career.

R11, That's just plain silly. I have nothing against JJ, but I don't find her a compelling performer, that's all.

^^^^ R26 has no soul or rhythm

R27, and neither does Janet. She's an okay dancer, but I've never been a fan of her whispery, cooing voice. Poor Michael was really the only truly talented Jackson. I can respect how hard they've worked, though, with those abusive parents who were all about the money. Like I said, I don't have anything against JJ, and have enjoyed some off her singles, but I've never gone out to Youtube to listen to or watch any of her work, like I have with so many other singers.

I love and admire Aretha Franklin, Donna Summer, Patti Labelle, Tina Turner, Ella Fitzgerald, Nina Simone, Etta James, Gladys Knight, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Diana Ross, Phyllis Hyman. And Luther Vandross, Stevie Wonder, Sam Cook, Nat King Cole, Marvin Gaye.

Anyway, I wish you peace and happiness enjoying Janet as much as you do. I own recordings of all the other performers I mentioned, but none of JJ's.

Like Madonna, she was an "entertainer" and a personality". You don't need a great vice if you've got those attributes. Her songs sucked but frankly a lot of female pop singers from the 80s onward sound the same to me and seem devoid of talent.

R5 and OP=The Janet Jackson troll?

She was very popular in the 1980s just like Vadge was like R29 said, and neither of them can sing, and I agree with R28.

on her interviews she looked shy and insecure,.she was famous only because she was marketed as the female michael jackson..but with no talent or worldwide success...her sister la Toya at least is funny

[R27], and neither does Janet. She's an okay dancer, but I've never been a fan of her whispery, cooing voice. Poor Michael was really the only truly talented Jackson.

[quote] on her interviews she looked shy and insecure,.she was famous only because she was marketed as the female michael jackson..but with no talent or worldwide success...her sister la Toya at least is funny

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Janet hasn't sold 100 million records because of Michael.

This article contains the discography of American pop and R&B singer Janet Jackson and includes information relating to her album and single releases. She has sold an estimated 100 million records worldwide, and is listed as the eleventh best-selling female recording artist in the US.

r7 okay then lets do a greatest hits comparison. my fav is rihanna. where you at?

[quote] [R7] okay then lets do a greatest hits comparison. my fav is rihanna. where you at?

“Janet Jackson, Destiny’s Child, Whitney Houston — they were definitely the people who motivated me to do this, who I idolized and looked up to and said, ‘I want to be like them, I want to do that one day, I want to back videos, make music and have CDs’. That started the dream and it just went from there, and became a reality."

-Rihanna

r36 that's so lovely that a 20something year old was paying respect to her elders.

R37 youre obviously just itching to be an asshole. You want to argue about nothing,

depressing to see the demise of her nose...

whts with that dam family and noses....dear lord.

I’d be nothing without her.

Even [italic]Diff'rent Strokes[/italic] did an episode about Kimberly being a better singer than Charlene.

[R34] Most of those albums sales were from US..rest of the world did not care about her at all...She never had a no.1 in UK and Europe charts were mediocre too..If Michael has not lived she would never sell a copy...she look very weak next to other female stars..

R42 You're an idiot and this is really not worth arguing over.

there is no need to argue but charts positions don´t lie..once Michael started to lose popularity she started to fade next to him

You're entitled to your opinion R44. But your logic is extremely flawed, to say the least.

r38 says the bitch who is grasping at straws for a comeback

Even when she had a good song, she'd insist on doing stupid spoken monologues before the song started, see That's the Way Love Goes and Together Again

Annoying as fuck

Someone to call my lover is a great and underrated Janet song.

Anyone who thinks Janet has no talent or was not a megastar in the 80s and early 90's is clearly ignorant.

She herself never claimed to be a great voice, but her talent was her overall package and she had jsut as much stage presence and persona, that "X Factor" in Simon Cowell's words...... Star Quaity as Michael.

She was nowhere as talented a musician as he was (he wrote several of his own hits on his own; Janet needed Jam & Lewis to really make her songs though she did collaborate with them).

But she broke many records, has the charts and sales to prove it, and if you were around in the 80s and 90s she was EVERYWHERE.

It's really just stupid to try and argue otherwise.

Now once she left Jam & Lewis and started working Jermaine Dupri and others???? Her impact and place in the pop world dwindled.

There are hundreds of girls cuter and more talented that that fatty.

That whole family of lying liars who lie should be sterilized.

[quote]There are hundreds of girls cuter and more talented that that fatty.

You're a moron. These "hundreds" of girls do not have empirical success (hits, sales, videos, records broken etc.) that she does.

[quote]Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis MADE her.

Don't forget me!

Oooo, Janbot is NOT going to like this!

I’m not a HUGE fan of Janet’s. However, she was fabulous in her prime and I really enjoyed her music. She was very pretty and when she set her mind to it, she was in great shape.

I’m not sure what ails her, where she lets herself go, & doesn’t take care of herself. I’m guessing it’s depression. She needs to take better care of herself. I’ve seen plenty of black women look AMAZING forever, well into their 60s and 70s. But they all have several things in common: genetics, obviously, which is why they hardly show signs of aging, they eat very healthy diets, and they work out religiously.

Janet has enough money to do all of this, whereas others don’t. She should be kinder to herself.

[quote]The persistent need to negate the career of this woman always strikes me as one of DL's most egregious yet unacknowledged episodes or racism.

THIS.

Does racism explain why Madonna is even more hated here?

R55, I agree with that statement as well. I’ve given Janet shit previously, just to piss off JanBot, but Janet had a fantastic career. She made some great music that I still enjoy.

[quote]Yeah, what [R20] said. I loved me some Jody Watley in the day

Lol. If not for the mega success of Janet’s CONTROL, which gave record companies the inspiration to sign and create their own brand of Dance Diva of Color, Paula Abdul, Karyn White, Nia Peeples, Pebbles, Vanessa Williams and yes, even Jody Watley’s debut albums would not exist. Yes, those womens’ albums were ALL made possible because of CONTROL.

[quote]Does racism explain why Madonna is even more hated here?

Ha! What a laugh! Look at any Madonna thread and you’ll see a bunch of worshiping queens fawning over her and outweighing the negative comments. Look at any Janet thread and you’ll see plenty of racist comments referencing fried chicken and her weight.

I really hope that she pays Justina T. and the NFL dust at the SB halftime show coming up.

R59, you're the only one so far that has brought up fried chicken in this thread. And people here criticize the looks of every celebrity. Janet gets fat and people talk about. Madonna is old and people talk about it. And glancing at the responses in this thread, it looks like most people acknowledge Janet's success.

She should have just quit while she was ahead. This last tour with its roped off venues and most of those venues smaller than the biggest venue in town is just sad for her. We've seen how little her tour made with the posted Billboard figures, this tour won't even make it into the top 20 grossing tours of the season. She should have quit when she was on top.

I love all these ridiculous comments talking about Janet as if she’s not the legend that she is and will always be. She’s one of the only three artists alive to have a #1 album in each of the last four decades. She’s also the only artist of her time to put out a recent #1 album, to have a recent single place on the Hot 100, and she just finished up a VERY critically successful tour that packed audiences in every night and looked fabulous while doing it, all without cancelling or postponing a single show. I’d even say that her RN 1814 is the most timely and relevant of all ‘80s pop albums in terms of its subject matter literally making the headlines as I type. She’s won and or been nominated for just about every award under the sun, has a legion of fans worldwide (despite haters saying she never made an imprint outside of North America, try telling that to her Japanese, Dutch, African, Australian, South American and UK fan bases), has touched every aspect of the industry from music to TV to film to books, has sold millions of albums, and has behind her a wealth of iconic dance hits and groundbreaking music videos that have been the inspiration to just about every pop star occupying the Hot 100 today (Bruno Mars, Britney, Beyonce, Rihanna, X-Tina, Gaga, Taylor Swift, Timberlake, Ciara, etc have ALL noted her as an inspiration).

[quote] I love and admire Aretha Franklin, Donna Summer, Patti Labelle, Tina Turner, Ella Fitzgerald, Nina Simone, Etta James, Gladys Knight, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Diana Ross, Phyllis Hyman. And Luther Vandross, Stevie Wonder, Sam Cook, Nat King Cole, Marvin Gaye

Of these acts, I’m not sure how many of them make sense as singers to talk about when you talk about whether Janet Jackson is or isn’t good at her kind of music.

You don’t sustain a 40 plus year old career and become an icon because you’re someone’s sister. If that was the case, every Jackson sibling would have had the same massive worldwide successes that was only attained by Michael and Janet.

Jennifer Lopez has said that Janet’s iconic Pleasure Principle video is the sole reason she wanted to get into show business.

MTV’s first declared ICON

[quote]I love and admire Aretha Franklin

Speaking of Aretha, look at who got a standing O when she presented at Re-Re’s Diva special...

R62, though I understand what you’re saying, what can she do? This is how musicians make money. You know this is true. I don’t see anything wrong with Mick Jagger strutting his old ass out on stage (I’ve seen the Stones at least 5 times). Now, I understand that very few musicians hold the public’s interest, as well as The Rolling Stones, but I think that they do it because they obviously want/need the money, and enjoy performing.

I’m not sure that The Rolling Stones or Madonna need the money as much as Janet does. The aforementioned artists all seem to have been very careful with their cash. I’ve heard rumors that Janet is personally broke.

If that’s true, then this is why she tours, and why she had a biological baby with a billionaire who allegedly didn’t treat her as well as she would have liked.

[quote][R59], you're the only one so far that has brought up fried chicken in this thread.

Try telling that to the asshats who bring it up in every other Janet thread.

Slay them, Janbot!

Her songs were good

[quote]I’ve heard rumors that Janet is personally broke.

Janet signed two of the biggest record deals in history in the ‘90s, owns her masters, has made millions in album sales and touring, owns several pieces of real estate and is a shrewd businesswoman who has never had any of the issues that plague other icons (drugs, alcohol, gambling, poor management of her assets). She ain’t broke.

Aside from her great catalogue, there’s also her critically acclaimed performance in the John Singleton directed “Poetic Justice,” a movie for which she received numerous nominations.

R73, I’m just conveying the rumors I’ve heard regarding her finances. And I’ve heard some very specific information regarding her marriage to the billionaire. Not stupid Blind Items, either. All money related.

Hopefully, you’re right. I like Janet and wish her well.

Her 1993 Rolling Stone cover is arguably the most iconic photo of any female pop star.

YES. As was her brother. Those thin whispery warblings, those stupid smurfy dance steps. I never got their appeal.

It’s intersting to see just how influential even her personal style is. We’ve talked about how ‘Control’ inspired several wannabes, but into the ‘90s, when she went from being militant and tomboyish to svelte and sexy, various acts from TLC to Salt-N-Pepa had similar transitions. And with her crimson-colored Velvet Rope-era hair and neo-soul vibe, artists like Mary J. Blige and Faith Evans were shortly thereafter sportin similar looks. Hell, even Rihanna co-opted the look during her ‘Loud’ era...

I agree R11, that's all this is.

Only Jabba cares about these ridiculous old stats she keeps putting out.

The rest of only know that Janet hasn't had a hit record or an album that crossed 200,000 sales in over 15 years and you never hear her on the radio anymore. She be dead as a doornail.

[quote]Why she was famous?!

IS famous.

Ignore R80 (aka the Jabba troll who stinks up every Janet thread). You’d have to be under a rock if you don’t think Janet is played on the radio anymore. She’s consistently on various radio formats, from R&B and A/C/Quiet Storm to ‘80s, ‘90s and Today stations.

R77, I firmly believe that Michael Jackson was a VERY, VERY SICK man, however, the man was THE GREATEST performer of our time. There’s absolutely NO ONE who came, or comes close to Michael Jackson. There just isn’t. I saw him at Dodger Stadium, and it’s THE definitive concert in my life. I’m positive that others would say the same thing.

He was as fucked up as all get out, but the man was extremely talented, no question.

[quote]these ridiculous old stats

ONE OF THE ONLY THREE ARTISTS TO HAVE A #1 ALBUM IN EACH OF THE LAST FOUR DECADES ain’t an old star, darlin’.

^^Old STAT, not “star”^^(damned autocorrect)

Janet was overrated then, now, and forever will be.

^Um, no.

If anything, Janet has largely been UNDERrated throughout her stellar decades-long career

Britney in love

Gaga gives props

Why does JanBot go nuts over this? I mean, really. Who cares? I prefer Whitney and early Mariah as far as singing goes. They were better than Janet. They just were. But I still enjoyed listening to, and dancing to Janet’s stuff.

This all has to with personal tastes and preferences. If I’m driving, listening to the radio, and CONTROL comes on, you can bet your butt I’m numbing the volume on that shit, and I’m gonna have a really good few minutes.

Most of us who were alive when she hit the big time loved her music and still do.

Honestly, I don’t see what the problem is. We all loved Janet, Madonna, Whitney, and Mariah.

This really isn’t that serious.

TLC gives it up

[quote]I prefer Whitney and early Mariah as far as singing goes. They were better than Janet. They just were.

Better at what? You’re comparing apples to oranges. Those women SANG. Janet can sing as well, but she doesn’t have the range that those women have. Janet is a performer. All around. When you see her in concert you get a SHOW. Oddly enough, Whitney’s “How Will I Know” was written for Janet. Whitney also covered “Control” in concert in the ‘80s...

Her versatility alone is underrated. Her hard rock song “Black Cat” (which she wrote solo) is the only song in history to top the Billboard Hot 100 and Mainstream Rock Chart, as well as going Top 10 on R&B. Tommy Lee from Motley Crue spoke publicly of his love for the song and Lemmy Kilmister from Motorhead loved the track so much that he wanted to remake it with her. A quick look on YouTube shows how the song is constantly covered by various rock acts.

Janet's music is mostly heard in elevators nowadays. Have you noticed that?

[quote]The rest of only know that Janet hasn't had a hit record or an album that crossed 200,000 sales in over 15 years

False. DAMITA JO, 20 YO and DISCIPLINE are multi platinum worldwide.

[quote]The rest of only know that Janet hasn't had a hit record or an album that crossed 200,000 sales in over 15 years

Read the title of the thread. "In her prime". Your comment is irrelevant.

She ain't no RhiRhi.

Don't stop there, R96, continue!

Discipline: 456,000 sold (didn't even go Gold!)

Unbreakable: Her "comeback" album sold a disgraceful 253,000 and can now be found in the 99cent bin at Walmart.

Black Cat is laughably awful, laughably awful.

JanBot, what the fuck is going on with you? You’re nuts. Why are you so obsessed with this woman?

[quote]She ain't no RhiRhi.

You’re right. Rhi-Rhi only copies the greats, including Janet...

UNBREAKABLE was an indie album that debuted at #1 in the US with no promo and put Janet into yet another record book. No disgrace to be had.

Yeah, R103, the record she broke was the fact that it was her lowest selling album, EVAH!

Nobody wants to buy that Janet shit anymore.

The record is that it made her one of three artists living to have a #1 album in each of the last four decades, but you certainly tried it.

Her husband bought fully half of all the Unbreakable records that were sold. You left that out, too, Jabba. And then she gave them away in Uber rides and with T-shirts. What a fucking disgrace. This is why she'll never ever be nominated for the RNR Hall of Fame again. The world of music is sick of her and her shenanigans.

Janet came back and landed a higher-charting Hot 100 single than Madonna that year UNBREAKABLE was released. The funny part is that Janet’s song was barely promoted and Madonna’s single was heavily touted on various talk shows.

When you try to compare Janet to Madonna, you inevitably lose.

Preach, r108!

Isn't Janet the one who makes State Fairs lose money?

You people are so moronic.

her PRIME was Control through All For You. Stop bringing up anything before or after.

Her list of accomplishments are clearly listed in the link

She was in her peak form and prime in the 80's and very early 90's. Very few artist could match her success. Really only Madonna and Whitney were on the same level. You have to remember that when she was at her peak it was the time of music videos and "image is everything." She had wonderful choreographed videos which helped propell her to the top. Her videos were the gold standard with respect to choreography. She even eclipsed her brother for a while when he started looking weird and his popularity waned. Was she the best singer? No, but that's no different than today's crop of Katie Perry, Pink. Rihanna etc. the music industry has never been solely about talent. This is why Tracy Chapman and Natalie Merchant aren't hugely famous.

^^^^ Thread closed

The best thing Janet Jackson ever did was introduce me to that restaurant she did TV commercials for. They have really good food.

^^Oh, you mean the one you have no receipts for proving she did said commercials?

R111/R112=case closed.

[quote]When you try to compare Janet to Madonna, you inevitably lose.

Right, because only one of those women can claim a recent #1 album, #1 albums in each of the last 4 decades, an Oscar nomination, an album boasting 7 top 5 hits, a NY Times Bestselling book, a Producer of the Year Grammy nom, a succession of three US #1 films...

No one cares about thisJanet lady, she was like a nice fat lady who lives next door, she dances really funny..and her songs were never iconic, she was just famous because of her brother, once Michael fell her career was OVER no one cares about her..her fans are Michael fans who were a bigger fan base and support all Jackson related music..where i live her music was NEVER successful not even in the 90s

I counted the number of posts R114 make in this thread'

He made 32 posts.

Sick.

Sick indeed. And that lying thing at R118 ain’t much better.

[quote]where i live her music was NEVER successful not even in the 90s

Where do you live? On Mars?

R121, outside of America, Janet really isn't that popular. She hasn't sold anywhere close to what Madonna, Whitney, Mariah or Celine have. The other women I mentioned make the top 20 artists, with Madonna, Celine and Mariah in the top 11. Janet is number 34 on this list. Britney Spears, Shania Twain (who only really had three albums), and even Rihanna have all outsold her.

If we are just comparing physical sales of studio albums (not compilations), Madonna's best selling album is True Blue at 22.5 million copies. Janet's best selling album is Janet 12.6 million copies. That's a huge difference. It would be even worse if you threw in The Immaculate Collection.

Janet who?

R123, Janet’s biggest sellers have not even been recertification. Richard Branson himself has gone on record as saying that the janet. album sold over 20 million copies. So basically, your point, like Madonna’s career, is irrelevant.

[quote][R121], outside of America, Janet really isn't that popular

I beg to differ...

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Control was shocking because she was what 19 or 20? That's young to be having that type of success. Rhythm Nation topped it...

^Yep. From Control to the Janet. album, each one topped the previous. And she didn’t even have her biggest first week sales until 2001 with All For You.

R125, I seriously doubt the Janet. certification was underestimated by 10 million copies. She is just not on the same level as those other divas. Anyone who says otherwise is just not looking at the numbers. Is there any artist in popular entertainment who would just be ok with their albums being undercertified by 10 million copies? Doubtful. And if Janet. sold 20 million, that's well under Madonna's 28-30 million for Immaculate Collection, Mariah's 25-30 million for Music Box, Celine's 30-35 million for Falling Into/Let's Talk About Love and Whitney's 40 million for The Bodyguard.

Also, comparing singles sales...from that same site, a ranking of artists with the most platinum singles (globally).

To complete MJD’s answer, here is the list of artists who have the most million selling singles (question 2): 1. Madonna – 38 2. Beatles – 31 3. Rolling Stones – 28 4. Janet Jackson – 24 4. Whitney Houston – 24 6. Bee Gees – 21 7. ABBA – 20 8. David Bowie – 15 9. George Michael – 13 10. Bon Jovi – 12 10. Céline Dion – 12 10. Fleetwood Mac – 12

Janet is legend. She paved the way for just about every pop artist alive today. To negate this obvious fact in any way with lies is nothing short of sour grapes.

[quote][R125], I seriously doubt the Janet. certification was underestimated by 10 million copies

Re-read what I said.

Why would she not have her records recertified? And no shit Richard Branson would say her record sold 20 million copies, he's the head of Virgin, the record company she is under. I'm sure Tommy Mottola exagerated Mariah's sales back in the day.

Stop making this about Madonna vs. Whomever. The thread is titled "was she overrated in he rprime?"

It's been clearly answered: NO SHE WAS NOT

Done

R137, in terms of sales, she was way overrated, or maybe a better way of saying it is she was overestimated. But in terms of her impact on other artists, she is definitely not overrated.

It seems that by no matter what metric used, Janet always comes up short when compared to her peers.

I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate R139, so please have a seat.

R112 Says it best. I will completely cop to the fact the 89-92 were major Janet years. I think her fame peaked when the Herb Ritts video was released which made her look gorgeous for the first time. Before that she was cute.

And as for her vs Rhi Rhi, I get it that black folks do not think she can sing. I disagree. She absolutely can sing, but it's not that "started in the church choir" style singing which is so popular with AAs. Of course I concede that Whitney had a rare talent, but her singing was generally not pleasant to me. Some of her pop stuff certainly was, but once she got ballad-y or very R&B, I wasn't a fan. Don't get me wrong, I like R&B very much. But call me a sexist(even though I am female) I have never liked female R&B. The first album I ever bought was Otis Redding, followed by Marvin Gaye, but I never bought a female R&B album. I went to see my all time fave Al Green on Broadway and his costar was Ms Patti LaBelle. So help me God, if I didn't love Hot Grits so much I would have left after 20 minutes. My ears rang for a week following the show.

Rhianna appeals to me in a way no other singer has in ages. Live your Life(w/TI) is my favorite song, and her collab with Em is right up there. Chris Martin said that Rhianna is his favorite girl singer...maybe it's just a white thing?

R139, none of her peers sold under 100 million records either.

The Iowa State Fair approves of this thread.

[quote]It seems that by no matter what metric used, Janet always comes up short when compared to her peers.

Except that she’s the only one of them (MJ, Madonna, Prince, Whitney, Mariah) with a #1 album in each of the last four decades, and she’s the only one of them with 7 top 5s from one album, and she’s the only one of them with a recent #1 album, and she was the first of them to have a #1 single in the ‘80s, The ‘90s and 2000s, and she’s the only one of them with 3 consecutive #1 US box office films...

You tried it R144!

R144, and yet, she still sold less than the big 4 divas from the 80s/90s.

Yes, but she gave away more albums than those big 4 divas from the 80s/90s.

Did she eat all the albums she didn't give away

[quote][R144], and yet, she still sold less than the big 4 divas from the 80s/90s.

Janet is one of them, darling. Janet’s output was also not as frequent as Madonna’s and Mariah’s—two artists who put out nearly an album a year at their peaks. Janet always had 3-4 year gaps between projects. And her biggest albums haven’t been recertified. So shut the fuck up.

JJ’s RN 1814, 1990’s biggest selling album, is not only more relevant today than any album ever put out by Whitney, Mariah or Madonna, but it also achieved chart stats that nothing they’ve put out has achieved. In fact, RN, Thriller and Born in the USA are the only three albums from the ‘80s to have 7 top 10 singles. What separates them is that RN’s singles all went top 5.

[quote][R144], and yet, she still sold less than the big 4 divas from the 80s/90s.

And? McDonald’s sells a shit load too. What’s your point?

It's funny how even at the height of her success so long ago, Janet's album sales didn't even come close to what Madonna was selling. You'd think that since Janet only put out an album once ever 3 years, that the fans would be clamoring to buy it. But no, that never happened. Sad.

Yes, but #2 to Madonna in the late 80s is no small feat.

Rythm Nation was a fabulous album... in 1989. That's nearly 30 years ago. Time to get over it. Bankrupting State Fairs, cancelling "world tours", calling in sick over and over, repeated fake health crisis's, having a perverted pedophile brother, marrying/prego at 50/divorcing/victim of spousal abuse/shaking spouse down for $, well all these things were just shovel after shovel of dirt on her career. She's totally done, no one's going to touch her in the music industry. Easier to start fresh with someone new without all the "Jackson Drama" and likely have more success. The Jackson have horrendous work ethic and have way too much drama.

If she was named Janet Smith instead of Jackson she would never sell so much from her albums, she would probably be only a one hit wonder, but there is a lot of nepotism in the music industry, obviously Michael help her with the business people

[R138] Impact on other artists? doing what? her vocal abilities were poor, her dancing got lost between her dancers that make her look better than she really was, her fashion, not big deal...so what was she impact again? only to be that chubby nice lady who lives next door that you want to like because she had a far better and talented brother

AYE, THAT'S THE TICKET!

R156, in terms of sales, she is definitely overestimated but her impact on other pop and R&B stars is huge. Countless numbers of them have cited her as an influence, including Beyonce, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Rihanna, Justin Timberlake, Usher, etc. Britney Spears pretty much stole Janet's dance moves, despite the fact that she was also accused of immitating Madonna.

If she was Janet Smith she'd be mid-way through a career at The Pancake House. A singing career would have been nothing more than an unreachable dream without the Jackson name. But now that same name is poison, no ones touching her. Major flop.

[quote]Rythm Nation was a fabulous album... in 1989. That's nearly 30 years ago.

Yes, and 29 years later, it’s STILL a fabulous album and is more current and timely on a thematic level than anything Madonna, Mariah, Whitney or Michael put out. So stay mad 😂.

[quote]Bankrupting State Fairs, cancelling "world tours"

Oh, so now your agenda is clear 😆. #StateoftheWorldTour2017 — not a single cancelled show.

[quote]Impact on other artists?

Yes, and if you weren’t a COMPLETE moron, you would be aware of this very tangiable fact.

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[QUOTE]JJ’s RN 1814, 1990’s biggest selling album, is not only more relevant today than any album ever put out by Whitney, Mariah or Madonna

Madonna never put out an album as good as Rhythm Nation, I don’t care how much either sold.

Adam Levine on Janet...

Yes, understatement- just a tad more talented than JLo

[quote]Madonna never put out an album as good as Rhythm Nation, I don’t care how much either sold.

Truth.

Because a product sells more does not make it superior. This is a known fact that has been proven time and time again throughout the ages.

Does that also go for actual ticket sales R168? How would it work for Uber give-always and buy a shirt get a free CD?

*give-away*

^^FAIL

Like your crusty cunt R171

Ray of Light is more influential and better than Rhythm Nation. And none of Janet's singles come close to the greatness of Like a Prayer, Vogue, Express Yourself, etc.

I like how in one post it screeches how RN was the biggest selling album thirty years ago and then in the next post it starts screaming that sales is not a benchmark for anything.

^^Facts are facts, dearie. RN was absolutely, unequivocally the biggest selling album that year, and you and your Madonna-worshipping self can’t change that.

[quote]Ray of Light is more influential and better than Rhythm Nation.

No. ROL isn’t even as good or influential or as much of a masterpiece as Janet’s The Velvet Rope, but that’s a topic for another reason time.

[quote]And none of Janet's singles come close to the greatness of Like a Prayer, Vogue, Express Yourself, etc.

That’s the Way Love Goes, When I Think of You, What Have You Done For Me Lately, Control, Escapade, Rhythm Nation and Love Will Never Do (Without You) would beg to differ.

R175 Facts are facts, retard. Your logic is as crazy and demented as you are.

You're also a dumb cunt because I never even said anything about Madonna... but goes to prove you're more obsessed with her than you are Janet, bitch!

[quote]I never even said anything about Madonna

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haha. Proving my point, thanks Jabba!

Oh, it’s the Jabba troll. Of course! 😆😂😅

Jabba just embrace your name like Janet has embraced her $17 ticket sales.

Jabba troll needs to hang up her act in the new year. She mad that she just got repeatedly shitted on and has gone back to 2017’s failed tactics.

ESCAPADE, Y'ALL !!!

Failed tactics?

hahaha. You mean like touting Janet's sales in one post and then saying sales don't count for anything in the next???

You tried, it girl!

OP is a jerk for using that photo of Janet! She looks like she has a stache.

This still hasn't been topped...

^Sure hasn’t! Iconic is an apt word to describe it.

The Jacksons were always ahead of trends. MJ and Janet’s Thriller, Moonwalker and RN 1814 mini-movies were precursors to the “visual albums” that Beyonce consistantly releases.

Why does Janet always have a wonky eye, like in OP's photo?

Rythm nation sounds so dated now that no one on this era ever listen or buy that album....is not a good album sorry, good albums are timeless like thriller or immaculate colection

[R175] you never hear Janet songs on radio or on films or tv all those Janet songs are forgotten,,,obviously fans like you still think people care about them

Maybe they don’t play it on the white pop and country stations you guys listen to but I hear Janet songs all the time on the radio.

Oh bullshit, R193!

That song is for 2001 and her youtube views are tragic all her old videos have not even reach the 10 million mark,,and her new videos flop harder...she is forgotten

POOF!

All gone.

Who is this foreigner spouting his embarrassing ignorance in here (R191/R192, etc.)? Janet Jackson’s music has been featured in several films, and has been covered and sampled MANY times over the years. Where in West bumfuck do you live to not even have a clue about this? The What Have You Done For Me Lately scene from SISTER ACT 2 is but one of many examples of Janet’s impact on pop culture.

Rhythm Nation was in Happy Feet 2

Nasty was in TOUGH GUYS

Anybody who doesn’t think radio plays Janet anymore is mightily white and only listens to country stations.

[quote]her youtube views are tragic all her old videos have not even reach the 10 million mark,,and her new videos flop harder

Wrong again, on every level. First off, Universal owns her videos, which is the reason there isn’t a proper Janet VEVO channel. There used to be one which had all of her videos, and they all had tens of millions of views, but the channel disappeared because of Universal and now when her videos are put up on YouTube it’s because a fan uploads it. As for her “new videos flopping,” — WRONG. “No Sleeep” has handily passed the 10 million mark.

YouTube is the house that Janet built. The 2004 SB incident is what sparked the idea for YouTube’s creators.

OMG---R202 is nuts.

Janet not only owned the ‘80s and the ‘90s but she also came blazing into the 2000s in her usual dominating form. Her Nutty Professor 2 song “Doesn’t Really Matter” made her the first artist with a #1 hit in the ‘80s, the ‘90s and the 2000s, and the following year, her “All For You” single was the longest running #1 of the year and set all kinds of record across may radio formats.

[quote]OMG---[R202] is nuts.

Read it and weep.

R203 just got SCHOOLED.

"Was Janet Jackson Overrated in her prime??"

WHO CARES!

[R201] Wrong again she HAS a VEVO channel.... her older videos are there her biggest video is Rythm nation only 13 m!!! and her lowest Any time any place not even 1 mil! flop career and flop new videos.her much so called return No Sleep video only has 19 million views!!!! she is OVEEEEER honey ...Sister Act 2 and Happy feet 2!!! what a joke if i were her fan i would never link those silly movies

^^Universal has consistently pulled her videos from YouTube, hence the reason there is not a proper version of Love Will Never Do... and many of her other videos aren’t available at all. And weren’t you the one who said none of her recent videos passed the 10 million mark? I thought so. So FAIL on your part once again.

Janet is a mixed bag to me, honestly. I don't hate her, but she is not my favorite. She is pretty, but a lot of that is the result of her plastic surgeon - her nose looks like an architect's triangular ruler. Her voice is drowned out by her instrumentals, but her songs are catchy and yes, she can dance. Often, she'd hide her limited talents through a rather pretentious and mysterious image. Her music is fun and catchy, but thanks to her producers. Basically, to me, she was a proto-Beyonce/Rihanna - light-brown black girls with a prettiness acceptable to white people, with limited vocal ability covered up by slick, glamorous packaging. Jody Watley, actually, had a bit more depth than Janet.

My original "Off The Wall" CD (purchased in 1981) will not transfer to my iPod. Hmmm -

[quote]She is pretty, but a lot of that is the result of her plastic surgeon

Janet Jackson was pretty before the nose job and she’s been pretty ever since.

Janet herself said she suffers from depression and stress eating. During the Velvet Rope era, she eluded to molestation/ something "traumatic" happening to her at age 4 or 5.

She had body image issues since her role on Good Times. She was married to that crazy drug addicted Debarge boy at 18 and they had domestic violence issues. Allegedly, she was pregnant during this time and got a late term abortion by request of Joe. Some say her nose job really came about because Debarge broke her nose.

She had already seen alot by the time Control came out when she was 19. She had alot to say.

I think she did very well for herself. It seemed she was going down the path of another wayward and dysfunctional celebrity sibling but Control turned that all around and she actually became a big pop star instead.

Unfortunately, for Janet, she is in the shadow of brother Michael, Madonna, and of course Whitney who all were far bigger global stars, but she still did quite well for herself. She has 10 #1 Billboard Hot 100 hits and most of her albums went to #1 as well. That's nothing to sneeze at.

All this jibberish from Janbot.

And she's not yet and probably never will be in The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Another year, and THEY DONT WANT HER.

^As the gurl will tell you... they're racist!!!!

Yeah, they be racist!

ESCAPADE, Y'ALL!

Yes, they all sit there flipping through pages and pages of artists, and just cross out the black ones with a big old sharpie, as they luxuriously rub cream on their perfect and pretty white skin, only picking from the smiling pretty white people looking back at them. I think those who are hung up on racism are mentally ill.

Some of OP's other Threads:

[quote] Was Janet Jackson Overrated in her prime?? Why she was famous?! she couldn't/can't sing, almost all her songs are about sex. She wasn't even that good looking!

[quote] Do You Believe Michael Jackson Was A Pedophile?

[quote] Sylvester Stallone Outing Michael Jackson as a Pedo?!

[quote] 'I have a problem with Michael Jackson': Corey Haim said the King of Pop and Charlie Sheen assaulted him

[quote] Is Michael Jackson' Popularity fading? He reached his peak again after his death and it was cool to love him But i think it's all over now. he's starting to be a joke again.

[quote] Jermaine Jackson Tattooed Hair Did a child draw this man's hair?

[quote] Tragic Lisa Marie Presley ‘may not survive year’

[quote] Paris Jackson : My Father was Murdered

[quote] Michael Jackson and The Pepsi' Kid James Safechuck appeared with Michael in Pepsi commercial in 1987 and accompanied him on Bad tour. From James Safechuck' lawsuit in 2014 :

[quote] Michael Jackson In Bahrain

[quote] Janet Jackson is ugly! I'm sorry but i can't hold it anymore

[quote] Why Are Many Michael Jackson Threads being Deleted or Closed?!! Seriously, there are many good Michael Jackson threads lately and they are either deleted or closed?! I don't get it. Are we morphing into Lipstick Alley?? Even LSA has negative threads about MJ (in the backalley though).

[quote] Unleashed Janet Jackson Ready To Ditch Burka For Twerking Janet Jackson is planning revenge on Wissam Al Mana — and her sexy “State of the World” tour will have him fuming, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

[quote] Who's the most sane member of the Jackson family?

[quote] Paris Jackson "I'm Black"

[quote] Michael Jackson was Not gay - Evidence

[quote] Let's Be Michael Jackson I'm Michael' lace front wig

Wow, this OP is one fucking sicko!

[quote]Unfortunately, for Janet, she is in the shadow of brother Michael, Madonna, and of course Whitney who all were far bigger global stars

You are so misguided, lol. Janet Jackson escaped any shadows in 1986 when she broke out and attained mega-success with her third album. Each subsequent album was an even bigger event. The woman has been nominated for gobs of industry awards, has fans on a GLOBAL level (social media doesn’t lie, and neither does the fact that she’s toured all over the world, on six of the seven continents), and has a litany of hit albums and singles under her belt as well as success in other areas of the business. Does she get her proper due as the trailblazing artist she’s been over the past 30-something years? No, but she’s definitely not in anyone’s shadow.

R218, your snide sarcasm is delightful, but you have to be pretty fucking stupid if you can’t see how the RRHOF has slighted black female artists over the years. Not only should Janet have been in years ago, but artists like Whitney, Mariah, and (solo) Tina Turner have never even been nominated. Chaka Khan is also long overdue. Hell, Donna Summer had to die before they let her in.

[quote]I think those who are hung up on racism are mentally ill.

You’re clearly someone who doesn’t have to deal with it.

[R222] Nina Simone is in now,a they awarded REAL talent ,and she was black not frauds

[R210] la toya has the same nose, they went to the same doctor to have that weird nose, the hate their own race

Janbot's fat ass is getting spanked all over this thread.

Miss Thing just don't know when to quit!

^Um, no.

Is it just me, or is "global" the dominant word in this thread?

Honey Janbot, are you a masochist? Why do you continue to beat this same old drum? Janet is fine, she's great, she's an 80s phenom. But she is not an icon in the greater universe. She is not Madonna, Elvis, The Beatles, The Stones or even Miss Nippy.

You have to capture black and white fandom to become an icon. Aretha and Whitney did it, so it's not impossible for a black woman to do so. But yes, it is harder. I know black people who wouldn't listen to a white artist if you gave them the music free. Why then isn't understandable that some white folks prefer white music? That isn't any more racist than when a black man choses to date white only. It may sound close minded to some, but you cannot legislate people's taste. It's funny because black folks often castigate their own for "selling out." For instance. Snoop and Dre. But the fact is, unless you crossover, you will never attain the status reached by Whitney, Aretha and Mariah. Phyllis Hyman could out sing all of them put together, but I would wager that no more than 20% of American Caucasians even know who she was.

^^Well, aren’t you an ignorant bitch?

What planet do YOU live on that you aren’t already aware of Janet’s massive white audience? An ‘80s phenom? Bitch, please. You’re talking about this GLOBAL ICON as if she’s Mary J. Blige or Faith Evans—not slighting them but these are women whose audiences are mostly black. Janet Jackson is a pop icon. She crossed over with Control. White kids banged their heads to Black Cat and various white rock artists remade the song and gave her plaudits for it, which took it to #1. She has Russian, German and Dutch fan clubs. Going to one of her shows (which I’m certainy you’ve never done or else you’d know better) will tell you just what her demographic is, and it is largely diverse—young, old, black, white, gay, straight, male, female... Many white artists have given her props over the years for being an inspiration. Janet Jackson is not some MTV relic from yesteryear (although she IS their first-declared icon). Her imagery and influences spans the ‘80s (Jody Watley, Vanessa Williams, Paula Abdul, Pebbles, Karyn White, Nia Peebles), the ‘90s (TLC, Salt N Pepa, Aaliyah) and the new millennium (Britney, Christina, Ciara, Beyonce, Rihanna, JLo, Kelly Rowland, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, Backstreet Boys, Chris Brown, Mya, P!nk...).

So, in closing, you can take your silly non-factor of an unfounded opinion and go sit in a corner somewhere.

Look at this MIXED crowd waiting to have their books signed...

Janet in Deutschland (19 seconds in)

Crossed...

over...

From Russia with love...

I love that Lil Kim!

Why people want to limit this woman to having only North American popularity is beyond me, especially when much proof to the contrary is readily available online. Janet has fans all over the world. I can remember one of more popular fan clubs back in the day being one based out of The Netherlands. She sold out the Tokyo Done in record time when she toured with Rhythm Nation. Australia loves her. One of her most ardent supporters online is a guy named Darren Burn—a white bloke from the U.K. Yeah, she’s totally underrated.

Yes totally overrated but some day people might change their minds and she’ll be looked at as somewhat of a success.

[R229] Janbot is pressed, even the spice girls were a big thing in their time, are they legends? NOOO!!...Janet career has been dead since 2001 in the US, and the rest of the world her last known song was Together again 20 years ago!!!....she was just a fat shy lady with a good manager, industry contacts and producer who helped her a LOT!!...her best move was to get married to a billionaire but that was over too..

Yeah but she is totally going to get in to the RNR Hall of Fame next year. Mark my words!

[quote]Janet career has been dead since 2001 in the US

2001? You mean, the year she got her biggest first week sales ever and landed her 5th consecutive #1 album, landed her 10th Hot 100 #1 with a song that was the longest running #1 of the year, won yet another Grammy, played to massive audiences on tour including the Aloha Stadium, was declared the first MTV Icon, and looked like a million bucks doing all of it? That 2001? Girl, ‘bye!

The Beatles are also played in elevators. That in no way negates their contribution to popular music. One day Beyonce and Taylor Swift will be played in elevators. That means nothing at all.

Janet was an entertainer and that's what she did. Her shows were fun. The music was great as was the dancing. It was a party atmosphere. If you've never seen her live, you can't know. She was every bit the entertainer her brother was.

I honestly don't know why this is an issue. Some people love her, some people like her, and some don't. So what? That doesn't change the fact that she was a force to be reckoned with. She was on top. If you don't remember it that way, then clearly her music was not to your taste.

To answer your question, OP, No she was not overrated in her prime.

Which part of OP is a deeply disturbed troll do we not understand? We're still debating OP's lunacy because . . . ?

Some of OP's other Threads:

[quote] Was Janet Jackson Overrated in her prime?? Why she was famous?! she couldn't/can't sing, almost all her songs are about sex. She wasn't even that good looking!

[quote] Do You Believe Michael Jackson Was A Pedophile?

[quote] Sylvester Stallone Outing Michael Jackson as a Pedo?!

[quote] 'I have a problem with Michael Jackson': Corey Haim said the King of Pop and Charlie Sheen assaulted him

[quote] Is Michael Jackson' Popularity fading? He reached his peak again after his death and it was cool to love him But i think it's all over now. he's starting to be a joke again.

[quote] Jermaine Jackson Tattooed Hair Did a child draw this man's hair?

[quote] Tragic Lisa Marie Presley ‘may not survive year’

[quote] Paris Jackson : My Father was Murdered

[quote] Michael Jackson and The Pepsi' Kid James Safechuck appeared with Michael in Pepsi commercial in 1987 and accompanied him on Bad tour. From James Safechuck' lawsuit in 2014 :

[quote] Michael Jackson In Bahrain

[quote] Janet Jackson is ugly! I'm sorry but i can't hold it anymore

[quote] Why Are Many Michael Jackson Threads being Deleted or Closed?!! Seriously, there are many good Michael Jackson threads lately and they are either deleted or closed?! I don't get it. Are we morphing into Lipstick Alley?? Even LSA has negative threads about MJ (in the backalley though).

[quote] Unleashed Janet Jackson Ready To Ditch Burka For Twerking Janet Jackson is planning revenge on Wissam Al Mana — and her sexy “State of the World” tour will have him fuming, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

[quote] Who's the most sane member of the Jackson family?

[quote] Paris Jackson "I'm Black"

[quote] Michael Jackson was Not gay - Evidence

[quote] Let's Be Michael Jackson I'm Michael' lace front wig

Yes, and no one cared for her here in Europe.

Loser

^Excuse you. Would a loser have a successful tour with tickets starting between $9 - $17?

Stay PRESSED, Hunty!!!

Sick liar

Listen, the harsh fact is that the only reason Janet got any traction was because she was Michael's sister. Michael became a worldwide phenomenon in 1983, the biggest act since The Beatles. He was so huge that anything he had even a finger in went through the roof. Rockwell? Exploded and then was never heard from again. Diana Ross' terrible Muscles? Huge. The Jacksons' Victory album and tour- it was all because of Michael. Jesus, even some outtake from when he was 12 years old wound up charting. Fucking Kim Fields even charted with a song called "Dear Michael."

However, by the beginning of 1985, Thriller had waned and everyone was dying for the next piece of product from Jackson. Bad was taking far too long, so in the interim, Capitol managed to take his fat, less talented sister (and by less talented, I mean even less talented than Rebbie. Don't believe me? Put Centipede up against any song by Janet and tell me Rebbie doesn't blow her away) and plug her into a couple of hot producers and have them mimic Michael. How could it fail? They could have done it with Tito and it would have been a hit. And Rhythm Nation was the same thing. Bad was a monster hit, but my early 89, it was over, so what do they do until Michael's next album? Another Janet copy. By that point, people had been brainwashed into thinking Janet actually had talent, because thanks to Michael, Jam & Lewis, they managed to disguise the fact that Janet couldn't really sing, certainly couldn't dance, and had zero onscreen presence. I'm sure John Singleton was sorry he cast her in his follow up film after he saw her completely amateur, embarrassing performance.

Once Michael fell out of favor in the US, so did Janet. The only difference is people actually loved Michael. No one loved Janet, they just went along for the ride because she was something connected to Michael. And nothing could prove that more than the debacle her "career" has been for the past 15 years.

^Get out of here with that mess. Less talented sister? Please. Janet's vocals are stronger than most every single female artist out there with the exception of maybe Whitney!!!

And she's totally getting in to the RNR Hall of Fame next year!!! Mark my words!

LOL at the “Rebbie sings better” troll remark. Honey, that was Martha Wash performing those vocal acrobats on Centipede, not Rebbie. Neither Rebbie nor LaToya could touch Janet’s vocal harmonies and versatility. If either one of them had attempted to go from the whimsical vocals of a song like When I Think of You to the rocker chick edge of a Black Cat, they would’ve failed—BIG.

Oh, and while your continuous “Janet is only famous because of Michael” dreck is cute, it’s also highly incorrect and tiresome at this point. I realize that you’re a troll of the lowest order, and that you clearly don’t mean what you’re saying, but let’s just say that you do mean it. Janet Jackson did not maintain a decades-long career as an icon by being Michael jacnson’s sister. Logistically, it doesn’t even make sense. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.

Also, Janet’s albums are like in-depth looks into her life. Michael could not have and would not have been as candid as Janet was in her records. He had too much to hide. As for copying, MJ actively sought out Janet’s video directors, choreographers and producers in the early to mid ‘90s, which is why his Dangerous album is basically a blatant rip-off of Janet’s RN 1814, complete with an appearance from rapper Heavy D. and gobs of that Janet/Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis-esque New Jack Swing flava. Hell, Michael even rehearsed his dance moves to Janet’s The Knowledge and said on record that it was his favorite song by her (he even copied her a bit from her video for The Knowledge at the end of his Black or White clip).

[quote]I'm sure John Singleton was sorry he cast her in his follow up film after he saw her completely amateur, embarrassing performance.

Uh...no. He wrote it for her and is anything but sorry. But of course, you knew that.

[quote]Once Michael fell out of favor in the US, so did Janet.

Wrong again! When Michael was fending off child molestation charges in the mid ‘90s, Janet had just come off an Oscar nom, yet another #1 album, a #1 US film,, and had already signed one of the two landmark record deals that she would sign in that decade which would twice make her the highest paid artist in history. It literally got to a point where Michael was calling her and asking her if she would duet with him on a single, a sort of F. You to the negative press, which would end up being their single Scream. But of course, you knew that too.

[quote]He had too much to hide.

Preaaaaaaaaaaaach. Like being a child touching pedo... which little sister just quietly supported.

Winner!

[quote]Preaaaaaaaaaaaach. Like being a child touching pedo... which little sister just quietly supported.

No, but you tried it.

No, hunty, but you're trying it by denying she didn't.

^No, but keep trying and failing. It definitely becomes you.

The fact that that's the best you have? lol. Fail... like $9/ticket fail.

I guess popularity is in the eye of the beholder. Does Janet Jackson have fans all over the world? Obviously. Is she on the same level of Celine, Mariah, Whitney and Madonna? No. Not even close. And her global sales are a testament to do that. She is number 34 on the list of biggest selling artists of all time, while the other women are all in the top 11.

I believe Martika has outsold Janet.

[quote] But of course, you knew that too.

What I know is that Poetic Justice was a massive flop that pretty much ended both John Singleton's and Janet Jackson's film careers.

[quote]I believe Martika has outsold Janet.

Yeah, on planet Fantasy.

PREACH.

And Martika never had the honor of playing, let alone bankrupting, a State Fair!

[quote] Yeah, on planet Fantasy.

Isn't that the planet where Janet sells out her tour dates?

[quote]What I know is that Poetic Justice was a massive flop that pretty much ended both John Singleton's and Janet Jackson's film careers.

Actually, as John said in the video, Poetic Justice was a financial success in that it opened at #1 and more than made its budget back. And Janet would go on to win awards for her role and have two more consecutive US #1 opening films, while Singleton would go on to direct many films over many years. But of course, you knew that too.

[quote]Isn’t that the planet where Janet sells out her tour dates?

No, that would be right here on planet Earth. #SOTW2017 sold out in LA, New Jersey, Canada, Baltimore...

4 out of what... 30 plus? Amazing!!!!

[quote]And Martika never had the honor of playing, let alone bankrupting, a State Fair!

She could only wish.

If the show wasn’t sold out it damn near was. Fans posted live videos at every stop and all the vids showed packed houses. So stay mad 😂.

Oh, Jabba, Poetic Justice was the 59th highest grossing film of 1993. A hit it was not.

And I'm not sure what movies you're talking about, but Janet has never been able to open a movie on her own. The only thing she can open without the help of Tyler Perry is the refrigerator door.

But you knew that.

What makes me laugh so is how you bitches claimed that a), she would never resume the tour and b), if she did, she would cancel most of the shows. It’s such POETIC JUSTICE how you were all proven wrong. 😆

[quote]If the show wasn’t sold out it damn near was.

HAHAHAHAHA. Well, then sold out tour, baby!!!!!

Poetic Justice #1

The Nutty Professor II #1

Why Did I Get Married? #1

Jabba's idea of sold out is ONLY 800 seats still left unsold.

[quote]And I'm not sure what movies you're talking about

I just named them. But of course, you already knew that.

[quote] Poetic Justice #1 The Nutty Professor II #1 Why Did I Get Married? #1

Oh, yes, let me amend that. So she was in an Eddie Murphy film AND a Tyler Perry film that both went to #1. Sweetheart, no one was looking for Janet.

[quote]Poetic Justice was the 59th highest grossing film of 1993. A hit it was not.

Nothing says PRESSED more than an asshole on a forum who jumps over to Google just to make a trivial point.

It's really fascinating to me how it illogically argues and will repeat a phrase over and over... it's almost like it argues like a toddler.

[quote]Sweetheart, no one was looking for Janet.

Say huh?

Janet opened her first movie at #1, and her next two films opened at #1. Mixed all up in between that winning was a multitude of #1 albums and singles. And you’re a loser on an Internet forum. Point made.

Martika looks so basic next to Janet in that clip.

I loved Tupac in Poetic Justice. I wish he had been given a leading lady who was more than a stuck up mannequin.

R280 is a still-bitter Regina King.

[R229] as i said her LAST good year was 2001 after that 2004 superbowl everybody knows ended her

[R251] yes scream that song that only peak at no.5 it was a huge flop despite all the publicity and millions...it was the first time a Michael Jackson lead single from his album did not top the charts thanks Janet!! by the way the song show how weak her voice is..it was almost like Michael and the alvin and the chipmunks...

^^Um, no. Michael actually went back and redid his vocals because he was so impressed with Janet’s. Jimmy Jam has gone on record as saying this. But you keep dreamin’. Lol.

[quote]after that 2004 superbowl everybody knows ended her

Ended her, yet she would go on to have three more top 2 albums, 2 of which went to number 1, do more films, tour, pen a NY Times Bestseller, win a slew of more awards and consistently be noted by the newer generation of performers as being the legend that she is. M’kay.

[R284] obviously producers will never say anything negative about their product, but public hate that song, i barely hear Janet voice on the chorus, and most of the song is Michael's voice who appear stronger and the video was so silly, it make them look as an amateur dancers....such a wasted opportunity

[R285] all those albums were such flops that nobody remember them, I thing she did something silly as an anniversary of her own album!!!, not a top 20 single in more than 15 years!!! films? which one nutty profesor or something lol!! She just made a huge mistake and never own it just blame others for her own decisions

R287 should learn to speak English before she attempts to throw shade.

[quote][[R285]] all those albums were such flops that nobody remember them

Nobody in your section of West Bumfuck. Damita Jo and 20 YO are both multi platinum.

[quote]Not a top 20 single in more than 15 years!!!

Wrong. Feedback, a 2008 single, went to #19 despite radio blacklisting her. Also, between Janet and Gap-toothed Granny, Janet has the more recent Hot 100 #1 and Hot 100 charting single.

Rare pic of Janet in concert, from a few years ago.

Yea gods she looks huge.

[R285] no honey multi platinum is more tan 2p they were only 1p..and I doubt those are deserved no one knows those albums..[R288] aren't you the same cry baby that always put the race card as an excuse as her failed and flopping career?

DAMITA JO has sold 3 million worldwide

20 YO is over a million worldwide

Janet managed to land 2 top 2 and 2 number 1 albums without the benefit of radio promo due to being blacklisted. Her latest number 1 had almost no promo and yet she is STILL the only artist of her generation to land a US number 1 album.

And you ALL will deal.

Nice try moron R290.

First, that was in 2016, not 2015. Secondly, we ALL know that Janet is currently slim, trim and in tip top shape (as opposed to fat Madonna). This is Janet in fighting form during the recent State of the World tour...

Janbot, what's your favorite Janet song? Mine is Feedbag.

And yes, agreeing with R247, Janet's career was basically just filler for in between Michael's albums. He was red hot at the time and just was filler to keep people interested in the Jackson brand. It so happened that Rythm Nation was really good ( t h i r t y y e a r s a g o ). Everything after sucked, and only fat delusional people think different.

[quote]And you ALL will deal.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Why was she blacklisted? Can Madonna be blacklisted too?

My God there's dozens of reasons, R300. The chronic cancellations and lies to start with. I could spend the rest of the night listing reasons, but I'll have to get back to it another time.

[quote]And you ALL will deal.

Pussy.

Speak the truth, r269!

Bravo, r247!

Janbot seen here on the coat tails of Jabba

Sorry, wrong image! Here she is, bottom left. Janet sits in the background.

Remember that episode of Good Times when Janet Jackson got caught stealing?

R300, she was blacklisted after the 2004 SB incident. Radio and MTV banned her, yet every subsequent album she put out STILL made the top 2. They sort of eased up on her around the 2008 mark, but because she didn’t grovel the way that Justin did, most FCC regulated or MTV owned outlets tried to quell her output.

Her fake nice act has never fooled. Minimal talent, massive production. Can't stand when grown women speak in a baby voice. Only really good performance she did was Pleasure Principle and the accompanying dance. But of course she didn't write that or produce that and she dances now like its still 1992. And how does she go from 200 pounds to 100 pounds in three months. It cant be good for the heart. And why do all black women performers look like Wendy Williams?

^^You are woefully uniformed and painfully stupid.

Baby voice?

[R247], Janet's career was basically just filler for in between Michael's albums. When Michael started to change his face then she had her nose done and other procedures in order to still appearing as his little sister

^You are the biggest idiot on the planet.

—Michael, an actual superstar and success (unlike sister Janet)

Fixed that for you

Janet:

the Jackson family act with the LONGEST total run at #1 on the Hot 100

The ONLY Jackson family act with 7 top 5 singles from one album.

The ONLY Jackson family act with #1 albums spanning the last four decades

The ONLY Jackson with 3 consecutive #1 US box office films

The ONLY Jackson to perform at State Fairs.

The ONLY Jackson to be declared an MTV icon

The ONLY Jackson to be nominated across five major Grammy categories

The ONLY Jackson to sign two record-breaking recording contracts in a single decade

Janet, Oscar loser.

Janet, Oscar nominee (unlike Madonna, Michael, Mariah, Whitney, Celine...)

Janet, Rock n Roll Hall of Fame LOSER

Janet, multiple Grammy WINNER, World Music Award WINNER, Emmy WINNER, MTV Vanguard award WINNER, multiple Billboard award WINNER, one of the only three artist alive with a #1 album in each of the last four decades...

R305 I don't mean to be disrespectful to my lesbian sisters, but to quote one of the ballroom queens from "Paris Is Burning," those two look like a couple of bull daggers.

Janet, child abandoner.

The only Jackson to singlehandedly keep the KFC franchise afloat.

^^...is Tito

R325 = Racist!

Does she still wearing those pajamas and robes on stage?, last time i saw a video on youtube, she was like Jabba the hut before going to sleep

Her costumes are specially made by the same guy who dresses the Barnum and Bailey elephants.

Robért Behar was the wardrobe stylist for SOTW, but you certainly tried it...

Janet and her dancers!

Yes, Janet and her dancers...

[R330] lol...why does she hide herself on those clothes she is divorced now, she could show some skin

[quote] lol...why does she hide herself on those clothes she is divorced now, she could show some skin

The only skin she cares about is chicken skin cause it’s the best part.

[quote]^^...is Tito

R325 is JABBA. Who fails again.

^^That should be one sentence separated by a comma, but you TRIED it.

r330, Janet is the one on the right. She looks thinner than ever!

^^^ She only eats range hay now,

Janet is gorgeous at R331! That red lip suits her!

But Whitney was prettier than Janet 210, way prettier

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Whitney Houston was a good looking lady, but she was nowhere near as pretty as Janet Jackson.

I’ve yet to see even a smile on another woman that can match Janet’s.

[quote]^^That should be one sentence separated by a comma, but you TRIED it.

JABBA once again fails to school.

but whitney nose was real

Please, Whitney was beautiful. Janet was manufactured, and she still didn't stand up to Whitney.

Whitney Houston was a LOT of things, but prettier than Janet Jackson was not one of them. She had height and a lanky, pencil body with a dazzling smile and a small b-cup implant (after giving birth to Bobbie C), which was fine for her, but Janet Jackson is, was and will always be gorgeous. Stunning. Her curves and flawless skin are just two things, but she has the most gorgeous smile I’ve ever seen on a woman.

Jabba, grasping as usual.

LOL. Janet getting called prettier is one of the most insulting things I've heard about Whitney in my life. The delusion is real. Janet is the spitting image of MJ and neither one of them were/are beautiful. Attractive/pretty at best which was quickly ruined by terrible rhinoplasty

Honey, you can post as many glamour shots of Nippy as you want, but the fact remains that, while she was a nice looking lady, she was no Janet in the beauty dept. Janet Jackson is beautiful. BEAU-TI-FUL. Doe eyes, caramel complexion, coke bottle figure, unmatched smile...

R349 All of that but no nose

Janet’s nose and Whitney’s small implants are just fine.

I don't know why you're trying to equate breast augmentation with rhinoplasty

Janet is only a fat small lady from the mall i don't see any great beauty there, young Whitney was gorgeous

R353 "Old" Whitney wasn't a slouch either

R31 At least neither of them were like LaToya who probably had sex with her pet snake.

Girl is a FREAK!

Yes, but she's got better tits than Janet.

^^No

Umm, yes, Jabba. You fail again. Look at these noxious things.

^^Consistantly hopping like the bitch that you are. 😆😅😂

[quote] ^^Consistantly hopping like the bitch that you are. 😆😅😂

Oh, dear.

^^bitch

Here comes Peter Cottontail,,,

[quote]Was Janet Jackson Overrated in her prime??

She was a pop singer. Many times people try to make them seem as some kind of otherworldly deities but they are just normal people who are more or less talented in some ways. Usually the songs you hear are the result of a group effort, and with Janet Jackson that's certainly the case.

[quote]She was a pop singer.

IS a pop singer.

[quote]Usually the songs you hear are the result of a group effort, and with Janet Jackson that's certainly the case.

Yeah—Janet, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

[quote] She was a pop singer. Many times people try to make them seem as some kind of otherworldly deities but they are just normal people who are more or less talented in some ways. Usually the songs you hear are the result of a group effort, and with Janet Jackson that's certainly the case.

But I changed a word in a song because I couldn't pronounce it. So I got writing credit.

^^Uniformed and embarrassingly stupid.

[quote] Uniformed and embarrassingly stupid.

The title of Jabba's self-published autobiography.

Bitch-ass Lapdog

Poor Janet. No one wants to talk about her on DL and no one wants to go see her show.

^Her tour has ended and it was a critical and commercial success.

p.s., who gives a fuck about no one bringing her up here? Seriously? She’s on the minds of everyone all over social media because of the SB, which is par for the course this time of year. This year everyone is taking about how Justina Timberwimp owes her an apology.

I'm not a Janet fan, but I do think Justin Timberlake should have done more to defend her during the Super Bowl scandal.

Must be something in the water, R8. We also recently had posters furiously bumping old Justin Timberlake threads just to obsessively bash him. Odd.

Janet exposing her caramel skin, luscious hair and beautifully pronounced cheekbones.

Eat it, Madonna!

[quote]Was Janet Jackson Overrated in her prime??

She sure was OP. Couldn't sing. Would never have even gotten a record deal if it wasn't for her family.

She was a dud.

Yes she was a total dud R375.

That's so true R370.

Oh yes OP. One of the most overrated ever. No record company would ever have signed her if it wasn't for her family.

Stunning R374!

Jackson's career went down the shitter decades ago now. Was there ever a prime? Maybe - back in the eighties.

Not even then R380.