Mark Salling pleads guilty

I know! 15 I could see, but 3-5?

He had 50,000+ images.

He should die in a grease fire.

Sick fuck

My feelings about this would best be expressed in a Broadway melody.

*clears throat* *grabs mic*

Wow that’s pretty gross

Is that a hair transplant scar or just his head ? Either way this is so sick and sad.

it's just incomprehensible

That’s someone I would want to see in jail forever. It’s hard to imagine the pain the victims experience for the rest of their lives.

If they had the proof, why was he offered a plea deal? If this doesn't deserve the maximum sentence and then some, I don't know what does.

Hope he doesn't make it out if prison alive.

My hope for this and every pedo: raped to death by angry, diseased prisoners.

I've never watched Glee, did he have a significant role? Anyway, best possible sentence would be life in general pop.

They are saying 4-7 with 20 years of supervised release.

What a sicko, where are the DLers that were defending him in the last threads?

The victims get a life sentence. It doesn’t make any kind of sense.

Pedophiles should serve longer sentences and be in therapy and under some kind of supervision for the rest of their lives. There’s no rehab for people who jerk off to pictures of 5 year old children.

He got less, because he’s a celebrity.

Who did this creep rat out to get a plea deal?

From the linked article:

[quote] Salling is out on bail. As we reported, he cut his wrists in an apparent suicide attempt earlier this year. His attorney denied Mark was trying to kill himself.

Oh. Was it just an unfortunate wrist shaving accident?

He used to be so hot, too.

[quote]What a sicko, where are the DLers that were defending him in the last threads?

Give them time...

[quote]He used to be so hot, too.

Which makes it so much more tragic than if he had been a troll. Eyeroll.

Anybody know if they caught the people selling the images, or got the kids away from them?

Images with kids that young have to be either really expensive or maybe sold by the methhead parents. Those poor kids need to be saved.

r21 I think its the FBI that has a special division working on identifying people/places in child porn photos. They have caught a number of people based on their tattoos. I can't even imagine having the job, they have to carefully study hundreds of photos for clues. It must be a nightmare to have to see all that.

R22, I think I heard they burn out pretty quick.

My guess is they gave him a plea in return for him helping to identify the sellers. And since he got such short time, hopefully they caught a bunch of them from his information.

You have to ask yourself, what goes into wanting to get involved with this? Did he think because he was on a hot tv show, this is what you do with all the money you’re making? Why not collect overpriced watches or shoes if you want to throw your money away? It really seems like some actors do this because they think it makes them edgy or sophisticated.

He does it because he's turned on by kids r23. He'll never work in Hollywood again, he wasn't doing this to impress anyone. He's a pervert.

R21 there were 50, 000 images on his computer alone probably from all over the world. Some of these animals will get away with it. Salling himself only got caught because a girlfriend rated him out. Then he'll get out of prison in 3-5, be monitored for 20 years, and then sometime in his 50s he'll be unsupervised again. And what do you think that sicko will go right back to doing?

so just for looking at pics?

R25 it's not just for looking at pics, these perverts are financing child porn, therefore creating countless victims.

He needs to be made into a fucking eunuch before he's released from therapy. The recidivism rate for these sort of pervs is extremely high. I think they need to be kept in prison for the rest of their lives, or hospitals for the criminally insane for life.

Trump will probably pardon him.

Yep, a snip-snip is needed...or one of those castration rings for cattle. Ugh...so gross.

Looking at pics of very young kids being sexually abused by adults r25. Him and them should freaking burn.

r26

Do we know that he paid for this stuff?

Now THIS is pedophilia.

Also, you have to understand, its HARD AS HELL to get child porn like that. You have to be in the deep web, know what certain terms to use, etc. to get that type of stuff. Really be looking for it. So yeah, he's a sicko.

50k pictures? Open wide. Not so smooth salling for you, sick cunt.

No r32, trying to have sex with a 14 year old is still pedophilia. There aren't degrees. They're all kids being exploited by adults.

It's pointless to try and understand anyone this fucked up but why bother with a girlfriend? Was she just for cover or can they be into both kids and adults?

LOLOLOL at [R5]

R35, no its not. Its still wrong as hell and illegal, but sex with a 14 year old is not pedophilia. Even the law understands that. If you research sex crime laws, there is the "Child Under 14" category. Those laws are specifically written for pedophilia adopted from the DSM definition.

Not according to the people who actually define the term.

And if you really can't see the categorical difference between being attracted to a teenager who has reached sexual maturity and a fucking [bold]3-year-old[/bold], then there must be something seriously wrong with your moral judgment and/or your intellect. I wouldn't trust someone like you with making even the most inconsequential ethical decision, and am depressed that you've got the right to vote.

^That was directed at r35.

[quote]That’s someone I would want to see in jail forever. It’s hard to imagine the pain the victims experience for the rest of their lives.

Did he produce the porn, or did he just download it? Because in the latter case, he didn't really cause any pain. Downloading child porn should remain a crime, but it's not on the same order as actually molesting someone.

R39, you're a kiddie fucker apologist and you make me physically ill.

He's so hot. I hope it's not real!!!

I seem to recall, from a pedophilia trial, that pedos frequently belong to trading circles; they trade images and collections among themselves. They feel protected because everybody in the circle is implicated, and no one has to download or pay for the images. Of course, if one person in the circle is caught, everybody can be caught -- the cops just have to get one person to rat out the group, or get a contact list.

R41, the punishment is a policy issue: people believe that the best way to stop production of child porn is to harshly punish possession.

[R41] A demand for child porn means more children will be abused to create more. Pedos aren't gonna jerk off to the same clips for 20 years.

The fact that I'm making a moral pervert physically ill is sure to cost me some sleepless nights, r42.

R36, you can be attracted to both kids and adults

[quote][[R41]] A demand for child porn means more children will be abused to create more. Pedos aren't gonna jerk off to the same clips for 20 years.

These true only if child porn downloaders are paying to download the movies, or if they're paying for more movies to be made. Again, I don't think people who merely download content are as wretched morally as people who participate in the actual molestation, or pay for it to happen.

* this is true

Think how many pedos exist that don’t get caught . What are the studies on this ? Were most of these men themselves molested ? Or are they just sick fucks ?

[quote] Was she just for cover or can they be into both kids and adults?

Yes, the DSM recognizes two types of pedophiles, exclusive and nonexclusive. Nonexclusive pedophiles desire adults as well. Most hetero pedos tend to be nonexclusive, most homo pedos are exclusive.

R51, remember that we know very little about mental illness and the DSM keeps changing, because psychiatrists are, to a large extent, making things up as they go along. It's not at all as fact-based as the diagnosis of physical illness.

R48, the point is that the kids are being deliberately raped and filmed so a customer willing to spend a lot of money like Salling, has new or exclusive content. He’s paying for kids to be raped so he can watch. It’s like a snuff film. People pay someone to commit a highly illegal act and film it.

I saw a news report a while back about a woman that was advertising on Craigslist or something similar, using terms a pedo would understand. She was contacted by a guy who wanted her to molest her own child, a very young girl in this age group and send him the video. She agreed. He contacted her later and said he wanted to meet her and the child and rape the child himself in person. I think when they caught this guy he had various tools with him, drugs, ropes etc. From the tools he had, it seems he was prepared for the child to be badly injured.

The police or FBI was tipped off to this and they arrested him and the mother.

Thanks r47 and r51, I always thought they were strictly into kids like a chemical thing in the brain. It's almost even more fucked up that some of them could be satisfied with an adult but still choose to abuse kids.

I had heard about the charges, but this is the first time I've actually read these details, and I almost wish I hadn't. My brain can't comprehend this.

R46 thinks fucking kids is okay (as long as their old enough), and imagines that somehow gives him the higher moral ground.

R46 there are several of us who think you're a sick fuck. Justify your attraction to young teens all you like, you're still a pervert to the rest of us.

He's worse than the indefensible Kevin Spacey.

r58

This isn't about whether an attraction to teens is "justified" or not. This is about being able to apply the most basic kinds of nuance and moral judgment.

I don't have to think that say, slapping someone without provocation is ok to be able to distinguish it from kidnapping them and holding them captive in a torture dungeon for a year...

(r57, not r58)

PS: This is for you, r56 and r57. Enjoy.

Target kiddie-fucker ---> F&F --> /ignore --> Task "A More Pleasant World" complete.

Not remotely interested in watching any link a kiddie fucker has posted r61. Hope you're caught soon.

That's a shame, r63 - it might have been instructive. After watching it, you could have asked yourself if it made you feel the same way as watching [italic]the rape of a 3-year-old[/italic] would have made you feel, you mental case.

I’m related to Mark. He had pictures that he didn’t pay for but still collected. He tried to get help twice before he was caught. That was how the woman knew to look for them. He didn’t attend parties with kids and never met any. He knows he ruined his life. He knows his career is over. That’s all I’ll say.

R65 it's a shame that getting help is so difficult.

r65, his instagram was filled with pics of him with kids. What is disturbing is Glee had tons of very young fans, I'm sure he will deny it but he had access to many kids.

Wasn’t there an early accusation that an ex “planted” the photos as revenge? It was obviously made up, but - wow, the details here.. ugh

That was just some sad super fan speculating that maybe all 50,000 were planted r68. It was shot down pretty quickly.

He tried to get help twice before he was caught.

Exactly how did he try to get help?

I know there’s a group of pedos that are trying to resist their compulsions and they help each other. It’s kind of like a pedo AA.

I read a description by a guy that belonged to the group, he was aware that molesting kids was wrong and he didn’t want to hurt any, but at the same time he was attracted to them.

Pretty much identifying themselves as having these tendencies is dangerous even if they don’t act on it, for obvious reasons. So it must be difficult to get help voluntarily.

Strange call he sounds high or drunk.

There are some fairly successful diversionary programs on other countries r71. They're still attracted to children but they can put measures in place from acting on it. In my country (not the US although I imagine the US would have the same issues) this program would need government funding and of course the minute you say pedophile people instantly start screeching that they don't want their tax dollars going to pedos. It's not going to pedos obviously and in fact benefits the community but people loathe pedos getting anything "for free" so it's not even an option for funding.

r73

Yeah, this is a TV ad for the German program (which is publicly funded, btw):

r65 I tried to get help too. I went to Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia for help.

Wow, this is tragic. I understand why he wants to kill himself, and I hate to say it, but there are times when that impulse is correct.

R76 I’m trying hard too. I’m at the suicide phase now.

God I hope its not true!!!!

This is tragic. He did a very bad thing and is being punished. He needs help. I hope he gets it., but I don't know if adequate help is available in prison.

No there isn't r80, jail is punishment not rehab. The only hope is that he'll be scared straight.

I feel sorry for Mark’s family. This must be really traumatic for them and it’s not their fault. It must be very hard to see a relative go through all this, when you’ve known them since they were a kid. Thinking of them as just an ordinary person, then this happens.

R82 it is very sad.

You know, many people can understand or even relate to a Weinstein or a Spacey. But this? I feel sick just from reading this thread.

It’s disgusting for an adult to have sex with a minor of any age (or to watch porn involving any underage person), but I get what the person who says there’s a difference between 4 year olds and 16 year olds.

As an analogy: Rape and murder are both wrong, but they are two different things. For some reason, I feel that those attracted to 4 year olds have a real illness and I kind of feel sorry for them in a way. I think that those who abuse sexually mature minors are just assholes who don’t care who they hurt.

R72 I couldn't make it through that video. Salling is a POS. We don't need dubious claims taking away the focus.

What’s POS?

r90 = Oleg stealing WiFi from a hotel lobby

^^^ So how much time should Judge Roy Moore serve for pursuing a 14 y/o when he was in his 30s?

r 26 r 30 thanks for clarification i did not know. this is evil, allowed and sought after. i think the majority of sick fucks are male. this is a world wide problem which is mind boggling. so sick. poor kidlets. poor babies.

[quote]Salling is out on bail. As we reported, he cut his wrists in an apparent suicide attempt earlier this year. His attorney denied Mark was trying to kill himself.

[quote]Oh. Was it just an unfortunate wrist shaving accident?

He’ll get it done. I give him a month into his sentence. Bets?

R90- POS = piece of shit.

What I really don’t understand is - how come all these pervs download all these images on their computers - and don’t think they’re gonna get caught?

I mean - in this case his girlfriend told the cops or whatever - but he has like fifty thousand images plus on his damned computer. And in so many other cases - the FBI, Interpol, all the various other law enforcement people in countries all over the world all have people trying to track down people who create, sell and buy this stuff. They have substantial resources going into the effort. So what makes them think they aren’t gonna get caught? Most of the cases you hear about when pedos are caught - there akways seems to be references to locating them through the stuff on their computers...

Am I missing something? Why do they feel they are cleverer than so many different police task forces?

For apologists who are saying that sick assholes who download pictures depicting the sexual abuse of children, should not be as harshly punished as the sick assholes who do the actual abuse; I couldn't disagree more. When you see a video of a 3 year old child who is being sexually molested, you contact the FBI and give them the website information. You do not grab your dick and start jerking off, while you look at a child who's being exploited and fucking traumatized for life. .

Let's be clear, every download makes this shit more acceptable to the abusers, which will lead to more sexually abused victims. But anyone who watches or downloads these pictures and videos is just as sick as the actual abusers and rapists.

He deserves the harshest punishment. Too bad death isn’t an option for punishment. When other prisoners get ahold of him, I hope the guards look the other way. To the pedophiles harping on rehab on this thread, no one else wants rehab for Salling. We wish he was already dead.

Hot but sick

I'm confused about the statement that he tried twice to get help but "couldn't." He was on a major TV show, likely making good money, yet couldn't find/afford private help for this? Access to mental health can be primarily about money, since many clinicians do not accept insurance. I would think in Salling's case he could find the help AND afford to pay for it.

You must be sick if u can found kids hot. Childrens are little angels.

R42 Are you vomiting?

[quote]I feel sorry for Mark’s family. This must be really traumatic for them and it’s not their fault.

How do you know that? Maybe he was molested as a child and the other parent knew about it but kept silent.

Obviously it's disgusting. And there are other sex acts I find disgusting/disturbing as well. (Fisting or watersports, for example.) I'm not trying to compare those activities; obviously involving children is a whole different ballgame than what transpires between two adults. But some of you are into fisting or watersports and it's not as though you got to just "decide" whether those were things you liked. We don't really choose what turns us on. It just does.

I can't imagine going through life with a turn-on or impulse that you have to fight 24/7. To have this attraction to something that you know is wrong, you know you shouldn't want to like it... but you do. What can you do? It must just be a constant, ongoing battle.

So this guy did water-sports on 3 year olds?

And fisting five-year olds?

There must have been blood!

I think this may be the article you are thinking of r71.

r103 if I'm attracted to someone who is not attracted to me, I don't force them to have sex with me. Nor do I join an online to look at naked pictures of them being raped.

Pedos might not be able to help who they are attracted to, but they can help whether or not they decide to molest a child or look at pictures of children being exploited on line. As people we have a choice to act on our impulses and most people don't act on every sexual desire we have. Salling chose to act on his. Now he's going to jail. He'll be targeted by other inmates, but maybe it'll give him some idea what it's like to have traumatising stuff happen to him without his consent. We reap what we sow.

Was Salling a functioning pedo OR a celibate pedo.

They are two different things.

He's going to jail r107, so what do you think? He was jerking off to thousands of pictures of kids being exploited on line. His actions contributed to the ongoing nightmare of some kids lives. A celibate pedo who keeps his hands to himself and doesn't look at kiddie porn wouldn't be doing 3-5 years.

r108 - Um, he meant was he actually fucking children himself or was he just looking at the images and not touching kids. Based on the jail time as well as the fact that it isn't mentioned anywhere about specific children he molested, I'm assuming he was just looking at the images. That means he was a "celibate pedo", by the way. So he's not a child molester, just a pedophile.

I'm sure the 3 to 5 year olds don't remember it anyway, so I'm not sure their lives are ruined because of it (and no I'm not a pedo or pedo apologist, I do get annoyed at the vigilante justice or people talking about beheading and one-upping each other by more and more violent means of punishment).

I do agree that if this is a fetish he has, they should do some sort of chemical castration or something. There's some fetishes that are too antisocial to be allowed.

“Just a pedophile,” R109? Fuck off.

R106, I agree with you completely. If he did the crime, he has to do the time. I'm just pointing out that it must be incredibly difficult to have to battle those desires for your entire life, especially when society has no interest in helping you in that battle.

I can't even imagine.

Yes, I'm sorry, r110, for not adding 500 qualifiers to show how very, very, very horrible it all is, lest some idiot will think that by not getting over emotional and heated over it that I am actually a pedo apologist. Forgive me for assuming you could read a comment that wasn't loaded with hyperbole and political grandstanding for the cheap seats in the back, rather than just discussing it in a more clinical manner.

r106 I also completely disagree that he should be targeted by the other inmates. This isn't a third world country and we don't have an eye for an eye justice system - he's going to jail for the crime as per the laws, and his career is effectively over, which is a side effect of the crime. His time in prison isn't supposed to be pleasant but it shouldn't be encouraged to have crimes committed against him as a secret, additional punishment. I know that the federal rape-me-in-the-ass prisons exist but I don't think they should be encouraged or thought of as a solution to anything. Usually pedophiles are kept separate from the general population because they have a higher likelihood of not surviving otherwise given how strongly some people feel about the issue.

[quote]I'm confused about the statement that he tried twice to get help but "couldn't." He was on a major TV show, likely making good money, yet couldn't find/afford private help for this? Access to mental health can be primarily about money, since many clinicians do not accept insurance. I would think in Salling's case he could find the help AND afford to pay for it.

Rich and famous people have a ton of issues they try to deal with but fail and relapse. Like drug addiction for the most part. His former colleague Cory Monteith died from a drug addiction and was, behind the scenes, known as an addict who tried to get clean a couple of times.

I wonder if Stephen Collins getting outed as pedophile / sexually assaulting a minor, based on a recording that was recorded during a couples counceling session, made guys like Mark think twice about using the help of shrinks?

I am still shocked that Mark Sailing didn't get charged for trading or selling those images and just as someone who had them on his harddrive.

But he will be targeted r113. Youre naive if you think they won't be going after him. He will need to be segregated like all pedophiles are, but especially because he's famous. The minute he has to walk past the general prison population he will have urine or shit thrown at him. If he's really unlucky it might be boiling water.

I believe prison should be about rehab, not just punishment. What's the point of making someone worse than when they went in, but that's what happens. Best case scenario for him is he gets out somewhat unscathed and the fear of going back in keeps away from ever being tempted to look at kiddy porn again.

"I'm sure the 3 to 5 year olds don't remember it anyway, so I'm not sure their lives are ruined because of it"

What the fuck man.

R109 What counts is that a three year old might remember. I don't see why a five year old couldn't. It would potentially be their first memories.

I'm not sure you have to remember for it to influence you. I thought orphans who weren't held when they were little end up messed up. Early childhood is when you absorb norms. If your world is a sick place, you are forced to adapt (most likely badly) to it. It's not as if those kids stop getting exploited and abused after either.

My heart breaks thinking of 3 years olds who are exploited. The parents of those kids also deserve jail too, along with the ‘rings’ of adults who collect these images.

Tell me how consensual scat between two adult men is so bad as compared to the actual CRIME of k*d pron.

Three is such a difficult age. So hard to get one to behave like a lady.

Five is better, certainly.

But six can be quite a challenge. Perhaps not worth the work.

This entire story is nauseating. I thought children being raped and snuff films were urban legends. It’s chilling to think of how low humans can go given the chance.

Thanks for posting R65. It's tragic that he couldn't get help. The power of crime seems often more dangerous than doing things right.

What R96 said. I was looking for gay male porn and stumbled onto a site of chold (pre-teen) abuse once. It was traumatic to say the least. I just immediately contacted Interpol with the link to the website. Felt like shit for a time. Reading this thread I just want to find all the sites and report them.

What are even those code words being used on Craigslist or whatever list? I imagine stuff like Candy or whatever else (Hard Candy). Germany is one of the few countries addressing this properly. The Nordic countries are trying, too.

Sick fuck

Consensual adult gay sex is the only normal kind of sex.

Of course he is a sick fuck who is rightly going to prison, but some of you sound scary.

He possessed child pornography, but he did not personally molest kids, so of course he isn't going to be sentenced as if he molested tons of kids. That isn't a bad thing, that is sentencing him for the crime he actually committed which is how the legal system is supposed to work. His life is over and ruined, justice was served.

And yes, we do need to invest more in learning how to treat pedophiles. They are damaged people afflicted with a horrible psychosis and the best way to protect kids is to make it easier for them to get help.

We're scary? He's the one who gets off on toddlers.

Many pedophiles are actually opportunistic psychopaths.

And we get off on our same-sex r126. Thankfully there is nothing ethically wrong with that, but we should understand what it is like to have outside of the norm sexual leanings.

No one is excusing his behavior,he deserves to be in prison, but this vicious thirst for blood where you seem to want to watch him hung in the town square is scary.

[quote] And we get off on our same-sex [R126]. Thankfully there is nothing ethically wrong with that, but we should understand what it is like to have outside of the norm sexual leanings.

But there's nothing abnormal about homosexuality. Pedophilia is abnormal regardless of the combination of sexes. Where do you draw the line between "understanding" hurtful behavior and condoning it? It seems a lot of people don't know how to make that kind of distinction.

What defines "abnormal"?

I don't think it is a hard line to draw r129, I think people want to pretend it is. Saying they need help is not condoning the behavior, it is acknowledging the reality that some human beings are this way and we as a society should figure out how we can best help them control and fight those urges.

I hope he's brutally raped and murdered in jail. Why waste time rehabbing these active pedos? There is no cure for their evil so rid the world of all them once they are caught.

[quote]These true only if child porn downloaders are paying to download the movies, or if they're paying for more movies to be made. Again, I don't think people who merely download content are as wretched morally as people who participate in the actual molestation, or pay for it to happen.

Holy shit.

R133 That's a comment from a full-blown pedo who should be caught and put away. Wtf!!! This thread is full of them and it's shocking what the anonymity of the internet allows them to casually confess.

[quote]Why waste time rehabbing these active pedos? There is no cure for their evil

No, we don't know how to cure it, but we CAN help. Studies have shown that.

What we especially need to do is focus on preventative help so they never offend in the first place, the requires encouraging an environment where pedophiles can come forward and seek help. It is the attitude of some in the thread why this doesn't happen much.

[quote]Berlin has had success treating pedophiles with therapies similar to those for drug addicts, with an emphasis on taking responsibility for one’s actions, identifying triggers, and resisting cravings, as well as developing empathy for potential victims and addressing cognitive distortions that may support unhealthy behavior. His patients have also had successful outcomes with testosterone-lowering medication, otherwise known as chemical castration. But these treatments are almost only used on men who have committed offenses, because they’re the ones who show up. Almost nobody comes forward these days without having done something horrible first, which Berlin attributes largely to mandatory reporting statutes. Every state has laws that require health care professionals to report suspected child abuse, laws that are broadened when high profile cases like Penn State occur. Many mental health workers, fearful for their own liability, may rush to report a client who says that he has been thinking about abusing children, concluding that he must be an imminent threat. The result is that men who are grappling with the attraction and other mental health issues that emanate from it—depression is common—have nowhere to go. Like other clinicians, Berlin compares contemporary attitudes toward pedophilia to old attitudes about alcoholism, before it was understood as a disease that can be managed with proper support. “With pedophilia, we’re still in the pre-Betty Ford era,” he told me. “When do we ever hear, ‘If you’re a 17-year-old worried about being attracted to a younger kid, or worried about having sexual urges you can’t control, for goodness sake, please come in and seek help?’ ”

r132 is happy he's found a socially acceptable way to indulge in his fantasies of violence.

R135 You assume that active pedos want to get help. You are granting them some sort of positive self awareness that they know they are mentally ill. Given the reports of how pervasive child trafficking and abuse is this is just not realistic. I would suspect many go through life seeking out this perversion and have no intent to come forward for help. So in the meantime, catch them and lock them up. There is no light at the end of this tunnel.

R95, many who download this stuff are downloading from a network that is very connected to VIPs. Not only do they indulge in their addictions which make them wreckless, but they don't get caught because there are so many bigger fish connected to their downloads. They get a sense of comfort when they keep downloading and nothing happens to them.

Mark is an amateur who law enforcement is allowed to pursue/prosecute in public, because wherver he got his stuff, it can't or wont be traced to TPTB.

My friend at the FBI had to quit. So many investigations were stopped when they reached a certain point.

Mark was a 'safe' one to take down. Had he been any kind of VIP, his girlfriend would have been told to shove it. Had she kept speaking she would have been paid off or threatened.

Google pron at State dept and Pentagon. Or don't.

Salling’s first IMDb credit would have been shot when he was around 13 years old, and it was most likely not his first gig, with any commercials or live theatre projects taking please when he was even younger.

What is the likelihood his foray into this pervdom was encouraged by those in his work environment?

If he copped a plea it was most likely for pertinent information - naming names.

[quote][R133] That's a comment from a full-blown pedo who should be caught and put away. Wtf!!! This thread is full of them and it's shocking what the anonymity of the internet allows them to casually confess.

It's not that anonymous if he was dumb enough to get caught.

"Why waste time rehabbing these active pedos?"

He's not an active pedo. He's gross but was accused of child pornography not child molestation.

This is what happens when mothers dress their children up like whores.

Well he is a pedophile, he is not a child molestor.

Being a pedophile itself is not illegal, the idea is you want to stop them from ever doing anything illegal.

I see Poo Shoes has showed up to spread her usual flood of DARK BROWN FECES around at R138.

[quote]s. This isn't a third world country and we don't have an eye for an eye justice system - he's going to jail for the crime as per the laws, and his career is effectively over, which is a side effect of the crime.

Technically, we don’t have that kind of punishment system. BUT the prison system IS very much a third-world country WITH an eye for eye justice system. Especially, for convicted pedos. Again, I don’t think he’ll make it past the first month.

German studies have shown that the likelihood of a pedophile committing assault on a child is almost 100% if exposed to child pornography. That's one of the many reasons it is taken so seriously. The "success" of treating pedophiles in Berlin is debatable. They aren't using any methods that haven't been used in the U.S. Therapy, voluntary chemical castration, continual monitoring, and keeping them away from children have all been used in the U.S. And there was still a high recidivism rate. The two facts that seem to be consistent are that once a pedophile indulges in child pornography they are almost certain to sexually assault a child. The other is that once they have sexually assaulted a child they will do it again. Even while chemically castrated. Pedophelia is more closely related to violent psychopathy than a sexual fetish. There have always been people who defend violent psychopaths, too. Usually using the same type of arguments.

How interesting that you gave no citations for any of what you said r146.

Berlin in r135, refers to Dr. Fred Berlin, director of the Johns Hopkins Sexual Disorders Clinic in Baltimore. Not the city in Germany.

Dr. Richard Krueger's study of attempts to help pedophiles who have been convicted, found a 40% reduction in re-offending for those who are getting treatment.

And since you bring up the German program, I do know that hundreds of men have voluntary sought help once Germany started confidentially offering it, and they have a long waiting list of men. Sounds like positive progress.

There is no rehab for people like this. The only thing we can do is keep them away from children. The only way to do that is to incarcerate them. Period.

I’m trying to be humane and rational and progressive about this, but I really struggle. I’d like to see him euthanized.

R141 Salling is an active pedo. He is sexually attracted to children and seeks out ways to act out on his perversion through child pornography.

R135 - I was visiting friends in New Zealand last year. Their youngest daughter is at university - majoring in psych. Had a couple of conversations about this with her. She’s passionate about wanting to help pedos. She felt that there are plenty who have these urges and don’t look at porn or otherwise act upon their impulses - and she feels there aren’t any mechanisms easily access for people what are struggling and want help. Who do you tell? Where do you go? Clearly she and the others at her university are compassionate and thoughtful and are trying to do something to make a difference. Be really interesting to see what progress they can make in the years to come.

[quote]German studies have shown that the likelihood of a pedophile committing assault on a child is almost 100% if exposed to child pornography

LOL, you so made that up. Research shows that 50% of CP offenders have no contact offenses.

Wow the fish just descend on these threads like a shark in menstrual waters!!

You people are sick, sicker than Mark Sailing.

You are mentally unhinged.

I want Salling to be raped in jail.

I will pay $50 to watch it. I will pay $200 to do the raping.

"I'm sure the 3 to 5 year olds don't remember it anyway, so I'm not sure their lives are ruined because of it"

Sick fucks galore on DL!

They're everywhere y'all

How old are you r120? How could you be an adult and not know this happens.

R153 I will pay $200 to watch.

And $500 to rape him!

There's no way to know whether child porn offenders are innocent of assaulting children. Pretending that 50% of them are innocent is just pretend. The people who think pedos need compassion and saving or can be rehabilitated are simply contrarians desperate to self righteously elevate themselves at the expense of the rest of society. The "Dr's" who claim to have found the magic formula for rehabilitation are simply making a name for themselves. None of their methods are new or particularly effective. The same methods (counseling, group therapy, voluntary chemical castration, close monitoring) have been in practice in the U.S. for over 30 years and have had a low success rate at preventing recidivism. The U.S.only has statistics pertaining to child molesters and pedophiles after they've been caught. Germany has studied pedophiles before offending. There are no definitive studies about effectively reducing recidivism because it has never been achieved in studies that are reproduced by people with opposing views. In terms of child sexual assault, if you want to find that your case studies no longer reoffend because of your treatment- that's exactly what you will find in any case that you can. That means that 50% of the time even in ideal and biased circumstances, failure was undeniable.

R146/R158= Any scientific studies and factual information about this is bullshit. The only truth is what I decide is true.

[quote]The people who think pedos need compassion and saving or can be rehabilitated are simply contrarians desperate to self righteously elevate themselves at the expense of the rest of society.

LOL. Please. It's people like you who think non-offending pedos should be gassed who enjoy your moralistic posturing a bit too much.

There's actual research showing that the personalities and brain structures of non-offending pedos are different from those of offending ones. So, when a pedophile comes forward for treatment, saying that he hasn't actually molested someone, it might actually be the case that he's different from actual child molesters.

Pedophilia is usually a symptom of feeling powerless and believing that taking away power, through force / brainwashing / manipulation tactics, of others (in this case children) gives one more power. Sometimes it's based on doing to others what has been done to oneself and believing that it will restore you and makes you whole again (which is, of course, totally bogus).

Of course in some cases it's just networking to rub shoulders with so called movers and shakers to climb the social ladder who require you to do heinous things in order for you to join them (so they can blackmail or ruin you when you get too much of threat or problem).

[quote]German studies have shown that the likelihood of a pedophile committing assault on a child is almost 100% if exposed to child pornography

I know this is bullshit because Germany actually has a government-sponsored project encouraging community pedophiles (ie, those who are not in jail) to seek mental help before offending. It's the Dunkelfeld Projekt. If German studies had shown that all pedos will offend, then it's unlikely the German government would have put this program in place.

Pedophilia is the new gay. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Same condescending approach (different angle though) about the subject.

Thank Goodness we have great minds like r161....

Pedophilia is a disorder in which people are sexually attracted to children.

[quote]Of course in some cases it's just networking to rub shoulders

Yes, attraction to 6 year olds is a networking tool!!!

Science has long realized that pedophiles brains are wired differently. A cursory google search could have shown you that.

[quote]Usually children’s faces elicit feelings of caregiving from both sexes, whereas those of adults provide stimuli in choosing a mate. But among pedophiles, this trend is skewed, with sexual, as opposed to nurturing, emotions burgeoning.

ICM signed Salling and Stephen Collins was a long-time client. Great taste!!

"Technically, we don’t have that kind of punishment system. BUT the prison system IS very much a third-world country WITH an eye for eye justice system. Especially, for convicted pedos. Again, I don’t think he’ll make it past the first month."

Hardly anyone is murdered in prison. The real world isn't an episode of Oz. If all pedophiles were murdered in prison then we wouldn't need a sex offender registry.

But is it innate, or do their brains become wired differently from some external cause? Is it an orientation, or a paraphilia?

I am no fan of Dennis Miller, but I do agree with him on one thing: "If you realize you are a pedophile, you should take one for the team and kill yourself".

r146 is wrong.

r65's post has the ring of truth and r146, r151 and r160 know what they're talking about.

Let me state right off the bat - Receiving and possessing child pornography is a crime and, of course, SHOULD BE. The fact of the matter is these children are exploited and scarred by the terrible criminal behavior that is inflicted upon them. To view these images of actual harm perpetuate the harm.

Now, one can know that AND know that, just as with homicide, their are degrees of offending behavior of the perpetration of child porn offenses.

Generally their are two types of offenders- contact and non-contact offenders.

Non -contact offenders ( those who have never sought actual contact with a child, whether by email , message or in person with a child) are more numerous than contact offenders. Those offenders have an impulse/addiction to watch pornographic images. Some may start with adult images, but, just as with a slot machine, the thrill is greater when you bet higher and with child pornography, the riskier the image, the greater the thrill. And of course, as with any addiction, it overtakes you.

Let me be clear. I am not excusing the viewing of child porn by categorizing it as an addiction.

My point is that, just as with degrees homicide, which is categorized based upon state of mind - intent, there are degrees of behavior with child porn and, of course, non-contact offenders should not be punished to the same degree as contact offenders.

meant that that r125 knows what they're talking about, not r146.

R166, who said murdered? They at higher risk of that but are more likely targeted to be harrassed, terrorised and sometimes bashed certainly. The more famous the person or perpetrator of a high profile crime, the greater the risk.

It's not an episode of Oz but your delusional if you think each and every pedophile will remain safe from harm for the duration of the incarceration. If the other prisoners can get to them, they will.

He's had a lonely life.

He says at 4.30 that he's never a girlfriend.

Didn't he date one of his costars r172? Maybe it didn't count if she was just a beard for his secret life.

Isn't he a Trump supporter?? I'm not trying to be funny or anything, I remember his twitter being extremely Anti-Clinton.

R172

@ 2:24 He thought she said children of the porn movies. He thought he was busted at the time!

Yes r174. He sent out many tweets complaining about the "liberal media" attacking Trump.

Wendy asked what his ethnicity is but he never answered. Does anyone know?

He looks more ethnic but he is supposedly just a white American mutt (English, german, dutch).

Thanks R178. I didn’t know him before, but there’s something “off” about him in that Wendy Williams clip. For a celebrity, he has zero confidence.

I hope he gets the help he needs and that the info uncovered by the FBI leads to more arrests.

I mean...50,000 images?! Are they sure he didn't sell/ distribute the images. The sheer volume would be huge even for adult porn, but 50k images of 3-5 year olds?!!

[quote]He says at 4.30 that he's never a girlfriend.

He on-off dated Naya Rivera for the first couple of years of Glee.

She wrote in her autobiography that Salling's publicist told him to say he was single:

"The couple went on to date for three more years, but Naya explains his publicist wanted to keep the romance out of the headlines, because of his "heartthrob image. "I had a feeling his pretending to be single had less to do with his publicist and more to do with his d**k," she continued."

[quote]He on-off dated Naya Rivera for the first couple of years of Glee.

And it was also an ex-girlfriend who turned him over to police - possibly as revenge for breaking up. But this is post-fame.

Jesus Christ those are some scary eyes at r181

R182 the relative who posted above says the girlfriend knew he was attracted to kids and so deliberately checked his computer. I doubt he was telling people about his kiddie fantasies so my guess is she met him in therapy/rehab/sex addicts anonymous and then ratted him out. What I know is how long did she wait before she went to the cops.

r184 They were already separated when she talked to the cops, if memory serves me correctly.

I wonder if she found the images, dumped him and went immediately to the cops or dated him for a few more months after she saw them and then went to the cops after he dumped her.

The newspapers always sensationalise everything.

He didn't have 50,000 images of 3-5 year olds! He had 50,000 images and an overworked, monomaniac police officer GUESSED that SOME of the image MAY have been 3 year olds.... or PERHAPS some may be 5 year olds.

Who cares how old they were, they're all kids.

The point they were making is these weren't teens, these were very kids. Before puberty. That is why they added in that some where even as young as 3-5.

Emphasizing the point that make no mistake, he isn't getting in trouble for looking at 16 year olds.

But he isn't raping them. He isn't putting his engorged man-rod into their tiny, thimble-sized rectum.

But he's watching others rape them r190. He's helping to expand a growing market for kiddie porn. So he's contributing to ruining their lives. He's not just illegally downloading game of thrones. He's committing a serious crime.

R190 He is ensuring that kids get raped by buying these images. Why are people so dense about how awful his crime is to the victims? 50K Images is brutality!

R190 You write like a pedo.

R191 How do you know there is a growing market for kiddie porn?

Have you been imagining things?

Well, I hope being beaten and violently raped for paying for and encouraging the brutaliztion of children helps little Marky learn to be less of a piece of shit.

R194 Google it. Stop defending the indefensible

Oh the Brutality! R192. Do you think these alleged miniature pornstars get paid a residual for each and every time their product is shown? Do they get a bigger payment when their precast is licensed and sold overesas?

R196 Hopefully it kills him.

I was a social worker r194.

R197 I'm not sure how and why this topic amuses you. There is no humor or cuntiness to this.

R199 So your take-home pay increases with each alleged example of this allegedly-increasing bad behaviour.

Your income relies on kiddie-porn. You are profiting from kiddie-porn.

He’s not important. He’s just another shitty child molester. He happens to have been somewhat cute, and happens to have been on a popular television show. He doesn’t actually matter. Stop making this matter,

I'm no longer a social worker r199. The horror stories I've heard over the years are enough to scar me for life, which is why I don't find your self amusement funny. I didn't profit from kiddie porn as child molesters have existed since the dawn of time. I just helped very traumatised children find temporary homes when the abuse was discovered. The idea being if they were shown real kindness and love they could find some happiness and wouldn't grow up to be angry internet trolls who think they're a lot funnier than they are.

R203 You have admitted that you are scarred. I rest my case.

There's no case, you're just a loon posting from from prison on your allocated 20 minute internet window.

R204 is basement-dwelling pedo vermin.

I guess Mark is on Santa’s Naughty List.

Kiss me, Lick me, Do me!

I cant beleive how hot I was for him. There is a part of me that feels a bit sorry for him but a tiny part.

I mean he is hot, of course we were hot for him.

There was one number in Glee he was in underwear showing his hot ass, it was great.

His parents look really nice, I'm sure they are devastated. Does anyone else get the feeling he is going to kill himself in prison?

Babies. They’re babies. Their minds and bodies are of babies. They should be thinking about Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. Not be around pedos and videos. It hurts my heart.

Your heart, R212, their rectum.

Julio and Tyrone are waiting to greet him inside the slammer.

I hope he does kill kimself and very soon.

[quote]This entire story is nauseating. I thought children being raped and snuff films were urban legends. It’s chilling to think of how low humans can go given the chance.

One of the worst things I've ever seen was a tv documentary focussing on child porn investigators. They showed a clip of a little girl, age 3, giving a man a blowjob. They pixellated the dick and her mouth, of course, but it was clear that her mouth was open and she was bobbing up and down, and her eyes were so dead, so haunted.

Didn't Mark Salling and a couple of his Glee castmates go to Thailand on a little vacation? Iirc, it was around the second or third season.

Anyone else remember reading that on one of our old Glee threads? We all assumed he went there to get his homosex on, but maybe it's even worse than we imagined?

R217 No it was Puerto Rico

he's SO hot!! I hope it's not true!!!

^ Hot and chunky

R219, are you retarded or just fucking stupid?

He had fifty thousand images of child porn on his computer. FIFTY fucking THOUSAND.

Yeah that's crazy r221, I probably have 200 pictures on my computer of just my cats, friends, etc . 50,000 is a lot, 200 is a lot! I can't even imagine how long it would take to amass and then look at 50,000 pictures

r219 let me explain this in terms you can understand, he got fat.

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R211 you were right

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[quote] has 'hanged himself' near a little league baseball field

The final act is just as creepy as the rest of the story...

IF any of this is true, the investigation of Mark's death could get very interesting. . .read the comments and the links in the comments too.

This one for example

Interesting R229. One thing the link talks about is that Salling was to hand over names of other A list involved.

Calling presumably handed over all of the information he had prior to being sentenced, so he could get the lowest sentence possible (which he appeared to have done). There probably were no additional perpetrators that he had yet to identify.

^Salling (obviously).