Huge Numbers of People Vanished in US National Parks!

I'm so ready to go down this rabbit hole...

Suicides.

No wonder my wife keeps wanting to take me camping. Now it makes sense. Damn it!

I've read quite a bit about this too OP. Fascinating stuff.

R2 No, lots of them are children aged 2-12 years old.

That is creepy as hell OP, but have to go with Ocam's Razor here. R2 is right. Suicide and and accidents.

Consider the 5 top explanations for the many disappearances. Always be over prepared for any possible emergencies.

R6 et al...

Watch a couple of the vids.

Some of the disappearances happen while other people are practically within arms reach, on a hike, taking photos, camping. Many are small kids. Not suicides.

Their bodies are never found, even after extensive searches for days on end.

I think we all know what it was... even if we're too scared to admit it to ourselves.

On a semi-related note:

[quote]Published on Oct 28, 2015 75% of the children gone missing in the United States during the latter half of October 2015 are from Virginia! Why?

Do you think it's voodoo?

What the fuck is this???

This is nonsense created by that missing411 guy. 450 people in 20 years is not a high number, considering the millions who visit each year.

This reminds of that incident in Russia.

Which one is that r14?

I wonder if this will lessen with the advent of mobile phones and the ability to track someone's phone. Does tracking by law enforcement rely on cell phone reception / the availability of towers?

Aliens and UFOS. The Tall Whites operate near one of the national parks and they have been sighted there. They along with the greys don't mind abducting humans and returning them as dead.

[quote]AUGUSTA, Me. — She was afraid of being alone and prone to anxiety, a diminutive 66-year-old woman with a poor sense of direction, hiking the Appalachian Trail by herself, who wandered into terrain so wild, it is used for military training. She waited nearly a month in the Maine woods for help that never came.

omg. What IS that?

Seriously, take a look into the source of these "investigations".

I see. Apparently the correct answer is that Bigfoot is abducting everyone. That makes so much more sense than the notion that overly confident people have accidents, or that others go there to suicide.

Something is amiss!

Look at the woman who died on the Appalachian trail. She got off the trail to relieve herself and never found her way back. She put together a makeshift tent and kept a journal. She died of starvation and exposure 26 days later. Sad, but not supernatural or suspicious.

Ok, I didn't see the previous post about the Appalachian hiker. I thought all the responses had loaded and they hadn't. Mea maxima culpa.

If people are found naked it could be hypothermia, which makes people take off their clothes as they're deliriously freezing to death.

I went camping in the woods with my mom near Mt Shasta as a kid. The only scary thing was our dog smelled a bear and came running as fast as he could, obviously scared. We left. I would never camp in a remote area like that now without a large group of people. Not even with a gun.

[quote]Almost 250 have vanished in Oregon's natl parks alone, in the last 15-20 yrs. More than 25% of them in Willamette Pk alone.

Oregon only has one national park, which is Crater Lake National Park. There are Willamette Parks in several cities to my knowledge, all of which are city parks. I think there might be a Willamette National Forest, but on the whole I think OP's source is dubious.

r26 here is Outside magazine's article with a different tack.

It's a combo of Dumb People unprepared and making bad choices in the wilderness; suicides; bad luck; Big Foot; Satanists; etc

How can we entice the Orange Rump to one of these attractive and convenient places?

This totally freaks me out! We just happen to live in the foothills in one of the said national parks. All homes are surrounded by pine trees/deep, deep isolated woods for miles; and everybody keeps to themselves.

When I first moved out here to join my husband, it was quite an adjustment, me being a city kid. One day is was an absolutely gorgeous day, and my husband encouraged me to go explore to get to know the area. I laughed and made a joke and said, "Normally, I would; but today I'm not particularly interested in being abducted or attacked by wild animals."

At the time, I was joking; but now I don't leave the house, unless absolutely necessary - and the doors are always locked.

We were out boating on one of the remote, isolated lakes out here. We were visiting friends, and it was getting late in the evening. Instead of packing up the boat and crossing all the way across the lake in the dark, we'd decided to anchor off the beach for the night to sleep. In the middle of the night, in pitch darkness, we were awaken by the most horrific animal screams. It was coming from the beach. Instinctively, I immediately told my husband not to turn on the lights because whoever/whatever was screaming on the beach would see the lights.

Whatever it was on the beach kept screaming; it was as if it was screaming out of frustration for not being able to get to us. My husband said, "This is really weird. I've grown up here all my life, and I've never heard anything like this."

That was the last time we made that trip.

A little light reading for the insomniacs here:

R26 I was writing the intro post from memory, after watching several of the videos, so I think youre right. It was Willamette National Forest.

Too many of these cases seemed to be "instant disappearances" of people vanishing within minutes of last being seen, or in a group.

The creepiest are the ones involving kids. Heartbreaking.

R30 - I'll bet it was a fisher cat.

R30 I'll give "Fisher Cat" a listen in the comfort of a little more daylight, just about there.

R34, it's not bad, kinda sweet really. More plaintive than frightening.

This explains everything

We should have gone camping that weekend.

The woman on the Appalachian Trail, you have to read several accounts to get a truer picture. She stepped off the trail to go to the bathroom which is what you are *supposed* to do. Most hikers would drop their pack on the trail which would've been a marker to start searching. She kept hers, which enabled her to survive for a month. Without it she would've died from exposure, it rained for two days, before she was reported missing. An interesting, sad story.

Damn, R33!

Played back on my monitor's speakers, that damned thing sounds like it's outside my window! It must be some sort of phase/standing wave thing. I'll try it on my other desktop later.

Shit, up all night, and all the critters here are trying out for the X-Factor it seems. Coyotes, local cats, owls..and even the doves. Doves, nocturnal? It's sunrise, and now I'm ready to drop-only to have daymares, no doubt.. May as well check out the links.

I was spending an Autumn weekend at the cabin I rent in SE Ohio (outside of cellphone range) and made the mistake of watching a DVD of 'High Tension'. I went out on the deck to get some fresh air and look at the stars, when I heard someone/something crashing through the woods behind the cabin, making some sort of raspy, heavy-breathing sound. A voice with a pretty deep resonance, too. I immediately went back inside, and locked the front door, and double-checked the back door, just in case. Scared shitless, I was. Didn't go out after dark the rest of the trip. The only two things I could imagine making that sound would be a black bear (still pretty rare in Ohio) or a Grassman (the cryptozoological Bigfoot of Eastern Ohio). I didn't care to find out.

R30 Ahhhhh!

They're used as a dumping ground for murder victims as well, I think.

Primate-like creatures living in remote, wooded areas in our National Parks is not all that implausible given that subhumans, people without a conscience and a shred of empathy, are perfectly free to breed and to live among us as if they are one of us. And these subhumans even oversee our government and rule/govern the country. We are so used to that, subhumans influencing our youth, living and working among us, and having enormous power over us that we are incredibly desensitized to it. Given that harsh "monsters are real, they look like people" reality, I just don't think primate-like creatures in these remote areas that eat live animals and humans alike is all that improbable and far-fetched.

The Bennington Triangle aka The Long Trail Disappearances, in Vermont, 1945-50.

All but one, never found. Not a trace.

Not a NP per se, but still a remote, heavily forested area.

Im thinking serial killer on this one

You can only cut down so many forests before the forests start looking for revenge.

From the stories I've read over the years many of these vanishings happened in broad daylight. Sometimes the person who vanished was nearby, within eyesight and in the blink of an eye they were gone. Just disappeared into thin air with no explanation. I really feel for the families who lost a child or other loved one this way. I don't know how one can go on with their life after that heartbreaking experience.

[quote] Whatever it was on the beach kept screaming; it was as if it was screaming out of frustration for not being able to get to us.

Raccoons.

Youtube is full of "WTF IS THIS??!!" videos of screams in the darkness that the posters are sure is some kind of supernatural demon and they are always raccoons, foxes or screech owls.

Raccoons are the most common, though.

Why do Americans automatically decide that something they've never heard before must be demons, spirits, aliens, Bigfoot or ghosts? Or some unimaginable bloodthirsty beast who is after them? Why don't they ever think, "That's probably one of the more common nocturnal animals that live around here, like a raccoon or an owl."

R35 it does sound cute!

There was a meteor shower one night, but it was cloudy. I was still awake about 4 am, so I ent outside to see it it was clearer. In the distance was a lightning storm. The Lightning was all different colors behind the clouds. I tried to film it, but I just looked like white blips in the sky. Then I heard a woman scream, coming from a neighbor's house. I heard it again and the hair went up on the back of my neck. Then, I heard it a third time -- coming from a different neighbor's house. That's when I realized it had to be some kind of a bird. Sure enough, it switched over to the familiar whirring and whinnying of an eastern screech owl. It was the first time I heard one scream like that. Wish I'd recorded it instead of the lightning

First time

Simple, really.

R45 that seems like a great idea for a movie.....

Nobody should be surprised

OMG people!! The parks are filled with weekend warrior types who greatly overestimate their own abilities. My partner and I hike trails in Glacier Park where we only see 20 people all day long. It's really easy to fall off a cliff, drown in a lake, get killed by a bear, gored by a mountain goat, butted by a bighorn sheep, drive off a cliff with no guardrails into a lake, have a heart attack from exerting yourself for the first time in the past year, attract the attention of wild animals by dragging your beloved dog on the trail etc. I've seen people try to pet bison and pose their kids for photos with black bears. Hikers go into mountainous terrain in flip flops with no water then hope for the best. Surprise, there ain't a Starbucks up the trail on the left sweetie! When going into nature you have to assume certain risks. When a body is found half eaten at the bottom of a ravine 6 months after a disappearance its more likely wolves than werewolves. "Gee honey, I know I haven't moved off the couch in 3 months. What about hiking the Rockies this summer? They showed it on The Bachelor so it must be safe!!" It's not an alien abduction - just good old fashioned human stupidity.

R53 It's part stupidity , part Bigfoot legends/myth/reality and part Alien Abduction. The Tall Whites and Greys don't give a shit about keeping humans alive they abduct.

Tried to find this last night.

Presumably some of them came across something nasty in the woods - a pot farm, meth lab, still, whatever - and were shot by the proprietor.

The Missing 411 books by David Paulides are stories about the disappearances in national forests. Good scary stuff.

R57, there have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm.

Conspiracy theory: national parks were created as an attempt to contain the Bigfoots

[quote]Why do Americans automatically decide that something they've never heard before must be demons, spirits, aliens, Bigfoot or ghosts?

We don't. Most intelligent people, like me, think "oh, it's some animal". I think in the case of many small children disappearing, they are simply snatched and dragged off by bears or mountain lions. Mountains lions are incredibly stealthy and quick and they will stalk prey for miles. I saw some show about animal attacks once and they were interviewing a guy who was cycling along a mountain road and as he pedaled along he started hearing clicking sounds behind him but they didn't really worry him until they started getting closer and louder. Turns out he was being chased by a mountain lion and the clicking sounds were its claws on the pavement. It knocked him off his bike and was trying to kill him but some other people came up and drove it away.

R53 Most of the vanished in the YT vids were said to be experienced outdoorspeople, mostly young, healthy & strong. Many were very familiar with the areas in which they disappeared. Not couch potato types.

Quite a few vanished while with others close by & barely out of sight, for a very brief time. Especially some of the kid disappearances.

OP you seem highly invested with the idea of alien abductions or other supernatural explanations. The fact is the majority of these people get lost and die of exposure or have accidents.

R62 No, not really, but I wouldnt rule anything out.

I think most of them died by getting lost or having accidents, too.

Some of them are just too bizarre, though, for explanation.

How do people suddenly vanish from under other peoples noses?

It's the Jupiter clan. The Parks Have Eyes

My longtime partner laughs when I tell this but it happened. One night in September at 8:30, I was on the beach when to my left, a circle of cool white light slowly moved towards me from a 45 degree angle. Only the perimeter of the circle glowed. It seemed large but I couldn't be sure or how far away it was. As it moved closer I had the feeling I should get out of there while I could. I went back in a half hour and there was nothing. I should probably leave this out but it was coming off the ocean at the spot where I'd watched Pan Am Flight 800 burn, two months before. I have no reason to make this up. Have no clue what it was.

I think sometimes you can be overtaken by the solitude when in natural settings. I used to hike the grassy hills and oak groves in my old neighborhood in N. Cal.-I would walk for miles in a state that was not unlike a hashish trance (haven't for years, thanks for asking lol). Completely unaware of the date the time or the year. It was a feeling of complete disconnection from reality. The only thing that broke it was if I encountered people on the trails, which was almost never. I can get by on very little food or water, so I could keep this up for hours, usually turning back home when a glimpse from the hills brought my house into view. That was like the hypnotist's finger pop in your face.

I usually did these walks in the heat of summer, which probably contributed to the hallucinatory effect. And after a knee injury (off-trail) put a stop to my gamboling, I realized that anything that interrupted the equilibrium, a fall, or worse, could have doomed me. A friend, who flat-out refused my invitations to go along with me on these hikes, called it "chipping Mother Nature". It WAS a bit like a drug.

Damn you, R64. That flick sent me running outdoors In broad daylight, it spooked me so badly. That's what I get for talking Grandma into getting HBO. That was thirty-eight years ago and I've never tried to watch it again. Brrrr!

There are some people who are just too dumb to live. I'm sure they comprise a large number of these vanishings.

R65 Was the light orb-like/spherical, or was it like a flat one dimensional light with no source?

Flat

Um, how big would you guesstimate R69? Like 12" diameter, or really large?

I told John the wine cellar wasn't such a hot idea.

It was hard to tell since it looked bigger the closer it came. But it might have been two stories high.

R72, whoah; it would be hard to think your eyes were playing tricks on you with something of THAT size.

Well, maybe it was residual energy from all the people that died. There's been a lot of documented cases of airplanes being haunted after getting parts from crashed planes. Anything that kills hundreds of people in a traumatic manner in a small space must have some residual energy.

Always wonder what would have happened if I hadn't left.

R74, What you said about residual energy makes sense to me. Who knows? I thought if it was a UFO, I might not be able to leave in another minute.

They all were kidnapped, frozen and then defrosted 2,000 years later. The basis of the series Wayward Pines

Kids can get grabbed by lions, coyotes, bears, etc, in a flash.

I also suspect that sometimes the parents of a child who is accidentally/on purpose killed might plan a spur of the moment camping trip to explain the disappearance of the child.

One of the freakiest vanishing persons case was that of a man who was walking through a small field or garden and vanished. His fanmily and friends were near waiting for him and he simply vanished, anyone remembers this?

The woman on the Appalachian Trail has the same backpack as I do. It's a ULA backpack and a lot of long distance hikers use them. It's too bad she couldn't find her way, she wasn't far from the trail.

I have no sense of direction and used to backpack by myself. My longest trek was a five day trip in eastern Oregon. It was a beautiful trip and I'm really glad I did it. I've since joined a meetup group and don't go alone anymore, but I do hike alone a lot.

Yes, I remember that one, r79. It happened in the 1800s to a farmer who was walking across his field to greet a friend who was driving up in a carriage. He just vanished in front of his family at his house and the arriving visitor. Tennessee, maybe? I think it was in the South. Let me google.

The farmer disappearing in front of family and visitor turned out to be easily googled although the first page of results doesn't include Wikipedia, which I am sure used to have a page about it. The farmer's name was David Lang although there appear to be alternate accounts with different names and some sources say the story was a hoax.

OK, let's try the link again.

That's it, R81! Thanks!

OK, the correct link shows up in preview before I post, but disappears after actually posting.

Go to google and search for "farmer vanishes in field in front of family and visitor 1800s" without the quotation marks. You can also search for for "disappearance of David Lang" and "disappearance of Orion Williamson."

The link vanishes just like David Lang!

Very good, r86.

Caves. Step off the trail to have a piss, follow a cute animal or get a better angle for a photo, step on to weakened ground above a cave that then collapses, with you dropping tens of metres to land injured, concussed or worse. I suspect a few have ended up this way in the parks mentioned.

Exploring Nature is wonderful, but you make yourself hugely vulnerable once you're away from civilization.

Did anyone else read the full in story in Outsider about Joey's strange disappearance and suspect that there was something the parents and friends weren't willing to reveal?

It's Sasquatch. Of course. Duh.

There have been several hundred deaths in the Grand Canyon alone., in fact, there's a terrific book about it - "Death in the Grand Canyon".- that you should track down, OP. Most were careless accidents or obvious suicides, and readily explainable, but many have remained mysterious; quite a few bodies have never been found, and many discovered years later as skeletons, leaving no clues. Interestingly, a disproportionate, but consistent percentage have been males in their teens through early twenties; presumably indicating youthful, macho carelessness is a major factor. I was surprised to learn how few appear to have been from rattlesnake bites, etc. Actually, tarantula bites appear to have more often been the culprits, when there's been any evidence of wildlife involvement. Deaths by drowning in the Colorado River are not uncommon, bodies swept away by rapids are frequently never found. As I recall, the largest number, at least among remains found much later, appear to have followed unsuccessful attempts to escape the frequent sudden rainstorms and deadly flash floods that are not uncommon in the lower canyons along the river. When I was in college, I went on many weekend hikes/camping trips through those terrifyingly narrow canyons, often with men I barely knew who were my latest hook ups. Alcohol and pot were usually high on the list of items we backpacked down there. Looking back, it stupefies me that I never considered that a recipe for disaster - treacherous topography, poisonous wildlife, minimal supplies, booze, drugs and random strangers as companions all seemed like a great idea at the time. Luckily I was lucky.

R90 I did. 1.7 miles from the ranch "as the crow flies" is likely very far away from the trail they were originally running on.

How did Keller get so far off a trail described in the article as easy enough for a blind man to follow?

I think he accidentally ran off a cliff he didnt see ahead of him, when he went off the original trail..

What are you thinking isnt being revealed?

Horrible as this was, at least Kellers family got closure. So many of the others who vanish, just dont ever get found at all.

I'd rather have the bighorn sheep up my butt, than run into the insufferable R53.

Well it's obvious that all of these mysterious disappearances mean that the government isn't properly patrolling national parks, therefore we ought to turn the parks over to private ownership. Especially the national parks that have good grazing lands.

You're right, of course, R94, but wouldn't that bighorn disturb the gerbils already nesting up there?

Suicides and selfie "fall over the edge" risk takings.

[quote] Well, maybe it was residual energy from all the people that died. There's been a lot of documented cases of airplanes being haunted after getting parts from crashed planes. Anything that kills hundreds of people in a traumatic manner in a small space must have some residual energy.

I can't remember -- did we decide that PooShoes and Witchiepoo are the same person? They are both obsessed with supernatural nonsense, begging for stories of "your eeriest experience!" And "mysterious disappearances," "your encounters with ghosts!" UFOs and that fucking zodiac killer. Not to mention the Hollywood satanists making their "devil sign."

She is interested in those things, but there are a lot of other posters who are interested in the true crime/morbid threads.

To be completely frank, I would rather read these threads than the Trump, alt-right/SJW wasteland that most of this website has become...

Ridiculous stories of the supernatural are as harmful as any other form of fake news. This is why America gets more and more stupid every day.

R95 Even though some posters upthread have dismissed David Paulides, he has spent an enormous amount of time researching national park disappearances. With startling results.

Its disturbing to note the the US Natl Park Svce, the Dept of the Interior, the FBI & other Fed agencies, have deliberately stonewalled his investigative efforts on National Pk vanishings.

They've gone as far as to say they dont compile records of the # of people who've gone missing in American natl parks. But that Paulides would have to pay an enormous sum if he wanted that info, under the FOIA. Saaaay whaaaaat?

Link below to one of a number of articles online, addressing exactly that.

[quote]This is why America gets more and more stupid every day.

Yes, and meanwhile a million other threads about Z-List actresses from 1964 or Larry from Three's Company's bulge have truly contributed to the intellectual discourse in this country.

Here's a website on some of these disappearances, including the farmer in the field.

Obviously they were kidnapped and stripped of their clothes and id cards by the border-crossing illegals.

R100, I enjoy joining with others to debunk the craziest theories. Note my post re the 5 most likely reasons people vanish. Was taught at a young age to always leave specific details of where you're going hiking and camping and when you expect you will return with a few trusted friends, even if you are going to crowded parks in a group situation. Wonder how many of these poor souls didn't bring 3 times the water they think they'll need, emergency medical kits, food & clothing for emergencies.

Thanks for the input, Donald @ R104.

R93, Where the poor man in the linked story was found was so far off the normal trail it's very suspicious. No concrete answers.

You are welcome, Gays! I hope you join me in condemning the illegals and Making America Great Again!

I remember an episode of Criminal Minds, a guy living in the forest, he killed hikers and got away with it because the forests were so massive and the terrain impossible so they never caught the guy. I think this is the case here too. It's "easy" for serial killers to kill people, make it seem like accidents and get away with it.

R109 Google Serial Killer Cary Stayner

R105 All that & a lot more:

Dont go off plan, course, trail or timetable

A satellite, not cell, phone

GPS and/ or transponder

Never go alone. Sorry, most of the vanished were by themselves. Bad move in the wilderness. Id say 3-5 people minimum.

A gun & lots of ammo

After watching The Legend of Mick Dodge, and seeing how so many creeps are living in forests and managing to sneak around doing whatever freaky shit they like, I am staying in the city, thank you very much.

I wonder how many of these were people looking to fake their own deaths and run away from their miserable lives to a fresh start someplace far away. Or to just live off the grid and do a Jeremiah Johnson thing.

Post-natal abortions probably explain at least some of the kid vanishings.

There was a popular discussion on Reddit (I think) about staircases in the middle of forests. Very spooky.

When I lived near the Olympic mountains, in WA state, I heard about crazed vets living off grid in those mountains. It was mentioned matter-of-factly by the locals in Sequim, WA.

Paulides says there were more NP vanishings in 2013 than in the previous 17 years, combined.

Cant find anything on the yrs since 2013.

R117, both those tidbits are spooky.

[quote]The link vanishes just like David Lang! —Chills!

They don't want you to know! I'm running!

Alien abductions.

Per one of the vids on Rusty Wests YT channel, about 250 people have vanished in Oregon's wilderness parks alone, since 1997.

25% of them in Willamette Natl Forest alone.

Odd & chilling in themselves, but you have to wonder why there doesnt appear to be any concerted effort on the part of the Feds as to investigate any type of root cause or commonality among all these cases, nationwide, in various NPs.

Hell, just focus on Yosemite for a start.

I dont think theyre all accidents or people who die of natural causes after getting lost.

There are too many bizarre details common to too many cases, for them to be coincidences.

Bodies found clothed but shoeless, found many miles away from where they were last seen, sometimes high up on mountains they couldnt have reached, dogs unable to pick up any scent at all.

Inexplicable & questionable. Yet fascinating

R97

[quote] selfie "fall over the edge" risk takings.

On a trip to Yellowstone some years ago, I got up very early and went to Lookout Point on the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone. I was surprised to see there was already a car in the parking lot.

The lookout was not far from the car lot (only 13 steps I have read) and as I approached I saw an Asian family (Dad, Mom & Kids) at the lookout. Dad had climbed over the guard rail, was holding on with one hand and leaning out over the edge, camera in hand, to get that one shot that was not to be found on the dozens of postcards in the shops..

I kid you not. I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

It's also possible that family member(s) don't want to be blamed/interrogated by the local police for an accident that LE thinks was possibly murder so they don't tell anyone that they saw the missing person or family member fall over the cliff taking a selfie and with no chance of survival, or whatever the accident was, out of fear of being investigated for a crime they didn't (or maybe did) commit.

Quick show of hands: how many contributors here have also seen the image of Jesus in their pancakes?

Bump.

Never Jesus in pancakes, R124, but Fidel Castro often reveals himself in my oatmeal!

Two more separate disappearances, without a trace, in Olympic NP, just so far in 2017.

Not even canine search could pick up a scent.

Alexander Joseph Sevier, 24, vanished in Yosemite NP in early May, 2017.

Bigfoot. Don't invade Bigfoot's space.

In the 1950s, my grandmother's brother lived with our family. From the stories I heard, I presume he had episodes of dementia, but because we lived in a safe, small town on eastern Long Island, my parents let him go for walks alone. I guess he usually returned on his own, but sometimes he got lost and neighbors brought him home. He never showed up after his last walk. The police put out an APB, everyone in town searched, the town even dredged the harbor, and Newsday (then a small, local paper) published his photo and details many times. His skeleton was found in 1999, in a remote conservation area north of Albany. He was identified by the barely legible ID in his wallet and an engraved ring still on his finger. There were no indications of violence of any kind, We assume he got lost, kept walking for what must have been weeks, and eventually died from lack of food and exposure. My grandmother and my mother had both died years before, never having gotten over it. Even though most of our family never knew him, his being found brought some closure to mystery of uncle Jack.

^^ your mother, and especially your grandmother, must have felt terrible guilt, all those years.

What a sad tale

The Blair Witch movie was based on true stories, so I wonder if these disappearances are related in any way?

R127 Alien Greys did it. They are using them for experiments.....that is their MO.

R121 The aliens are doing it. The US government knows about it and can't stop them. after they experiment with the bodies they are either abducted for good or return them dead.

A creature is running around in the foothills near LA.

Its probably one of them Chupacabrers !

R116 Disappearance of John Devine of Sequim, WA, among a number of others, in Olympic NP.

R136 I wanted to hate you for such a knock on the conspiracies but I did find your post semi-funny. Now let me call the men in black to find your whereabouts!;)

I had a backpacking trip booked for this weekend, but I wasn't prepared in time and didn't have all the right gear, so I canceled. It's unseasonably cold right now, so I think it was the right decision, even though I lost money. Today I read this thread and am doubly grateful I'm not out there with fisher cats, bears, baby-stealing mountain lions, and grey aliens.

R139 Glad to hear that.

Now go to your local gay bar & pick up some dick instead. Much better use of your $$

Hikin' Hipsters

Latest Natl Pk Disappearances video, just posted today

I am going on a 12 mile hike by myself tomorrow (Sunday). I will post back if I survive.

R115 Found it, stairways in the woods. Odd.

It's a cookbook!

r130, That may be cry. I'm so sorry.

Stairway in the middle of nowhere.

R143 When will you be returning from your hike?

Please post here when you return and share any stories you may hear while there. Have a great hike!

I think the most probable explanation is that evil people (serial killers, sex traffickers, organ traffickers) are snatching these people up, since the disappearence can be attributed to a number of things - wild animals, getting lost, falling off cliffs etc

R115 this is R144 I'm still reading the Search and Rescue part 5 - great link, thank you ! After I finish I'm scrolling up in this thread to read the David info. Great thread, OP.

R149 Many of the vanished disappear & neither tracker nor cadaver dogs pick up their scent, even only a few hours after they vanish.

That wouldnt happen in cases where people are murdered or kidnapped by serial killers.

Totally baffling.

^ That is one of the strangest parts of it all. A real mystery.

Did r143 return from her hike alive?

and none are black or gay, because those dipshits just like to kill whitey and suck whitey cock.

R65, TWA 800.

[quote] "Never Jesus in pancakes, [R124], but Fidel Castro often reveals himself in my oatmeal!"

Fidel Castro never relieves himself in my outmeal.

Hey, a bear's gotta eat?

C'mon, honey. Let's make our next family vacation a camping trip in the wilderness! I mean, what could go wrong?

[quote]and as I approached I saw an Asian family

Because, relevance.

R154 is welcome to die in a US (or any) National Park. Or, just die.

Thanks for asking, r148 and r153. I made it back, it took me 3 hours and 15 minutes to go up and 2 hours and 30 minutes to come down. It was a 12 - 14 mile and 4,000ft elevation hike, but nothing eventful happened.

Once I get about three miles from a trailhead I don't worry about being raped or murdered. I think the most dangerous part of the hike is around the parking lot. Most criminals seem to be rather lazy.

R143 If you dont mind sharing, which park did you go to?

I know 2 people who were killed while hiking - not together and not in a national park. Still seems like this must be rather common if I know 2 people it happened to. Both slipped and fell into ravines.

Please don't post this nonsense. There's no conspiracy, aliens, etc. Has Reuters covered this? The BBC? Reuters? The Times? Anyone legitimate? NO. This is absurd.

Thousands of Americans with no wilderness skills or respect for nature flock to national parks and head off into the wild completely unprepared, thinking that these parks are some sort of scenic Disney attraction. Some of them are going to disappear.

^ I agree. Sad but true.

𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐚𝐜𝐫𝐨𝐬𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐧𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐲 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐬

Nasty and horrifying.

R163 Why is this "nonsense"?

All those cases & many more, are documented deaths & strange disappearances.

Yeah, why haven't news svces like Reuters covered it?

Ive seen other YT vids on this topic, where there are TV stations doing stories & even interviews with David Paulides. They appear to be stations in CA, OR & WA.

I lost my virginity lots of times there.

From KOIN in Oregon

It's NOT nonsense. It's VERY real. Ignore the troll.

I agree with R149.

I also think they are being taken for their organs, sex trafficking, pedo rings, etc., and since there's no evidence and it can easily be blamed on animals, falling off a cliff, and anything but the truth they don't risk getting caught. Since there's no witnesses/evidence the evil ones know that they will get away with their crime and that they can even continue doing this. It also makes sense that some serial killers would stalk prey in National Parks. But I doubt that most either committed suicide or accidently fell off a cliff due to carelessness. Some yes, most no.

David Paulides' Missing411 movie trailer.

Creepy.

Should be released soon, Im thinking.

There was a famous story of a couple and their 2 kids who wanted to drive up to an out-of-the-way picturesque hotel in Oregon. I think it was in October. They got lost at night in the woods and couldn't find their way out. They ended up being stranded (with bears walking by their car) for 10 days. The guy at one point left the car (they had no food or water) and wandered off looking for help. He was found later dead of exposure. He had ripped all his clothes off. Apparently, that is common with people suffering from exposure. Though they're freezing to death, they have the sensation that they are burning up.

The woods are full of animals that would eat any cadaver they found (raccoons, coyotes, etc.) and plenty that would kill people (especially kids) - bears and mountain lions. This isn't really that surprising.

Most disappearances are due to carelessness and lack of skills. Contrary to what some alarmists want you to think, the majority of these are all easily explained away. Shit happens and people go off half assed on some wild trek and simply get lost, fall in crevices, etc. There are no alien abductions or organ traffickers (seriously?). A few serial killers perhaps.

^^ It's not easily explained away when people vanish without a trace. Not even scent or cadaver dogs can find anything of them.

We're talking 1000s of unexplained disappearances.

It can't be just serial killers or slavers, because in many cases these children seem to vanish in a second--the parents turn away and the kids are gone, with no sound, no evidence of footprints, etc.

There's something truly eerie going on. It simply can't be that hundreds and hundreds of people fell off a cliff. Something evil is happening and we don't know what it is.

[quote]the parents turn away and the kids are gone, with no sound, no evidence of footprints, etc.

They are called mountain lions dear. Honestly, Poo, not everything is a vast conspiracy.

R176 well now we know, despite NASA's denial, those kids have been sent to Mars to live in a slave colony.

Shove it up your fucking ass, shithead at R177. You, too, jackass as R178.

Dears, it's The Rapture. The missing are the lucky ones, believe me.

Goodness, what a little tantrum our little kumquat has at being called out for her shit. Too funny.

Does anyone know more about the Joe Keller case? It's haunted me for a long time. (Admit I feel more of a connection to the case because he looked cute, but still..)

The last two sentences of my R171 post is logical. It's not because I am always right or have to be right. It's called logic.

"Some yes, most no", not the other way around. "Most yes, some no" is illogical.

R177 - It is before, during, or after the abduction that the mountain lion, or mountain lions, muffle their victims, so as to prevent them from calling out, when being abducted? Or does one of the mountain lions run around with a handy bottle of chloroform in its pocket in order to assist the pride with a "silent" abduction?

We're dying to know!

Do you know how mountain lions (and all big cats) attack? They grab you by the throat. Good luck crying out.

What R 185 said. There are some spectacularly ignorant about wildlife people here.

I'm not surprised. Wild animals and often times an inability to understand that this is not like talking a walk in a suburban park. You'd be surprised how quickly a body is devoured by wild animals.

R186 yes. Now an attack by wolves or coyotes... canines attack by ripping out your entrails. So if you have to be killed by a wild animal, stick with a feline. A lot quicker.

And wolves and coyotes rarely, if never, attack humans. Big cats on the other hand have been known to silently stalk for miles.

[quote]run around with a handy bottle of chloroform in its pocket in order to assist the pride with a "silent" abduction?

Kind of going out on a limb with the chloroform theory.

R182 Joe Kellers dead body was eventually found, a couple of miles off trail. Google it.

For the posters claiming animal attacks...

Again, searchers are finding no sign of struggle or attack. There'd be blood, flesh, shredded clothing, belongings, footprints...but they find nothing.

The searches start within a few hours of disappearance. Neither scent nor cadaver dogs find any trace of the missing person, even after days & days of full on searching.

That just doesnt add up. And its a common theme in these disappearances, in natl parks across the US. We're talking 100s, maybe 1000s of cases.

I've hiked the Dusky Track, Fiordland, South Island, New Zealand. It's so remote that not only did we (hiked with a friend) file an Intentions document - where we planed to be each evening and how long we estimated to complete the track - with the Dept of Conservation in Te Anau, we also took along a short-wave radio and every evening, called in our position. If you don't call in for 48 hours, the DOC will come looking for you.

R192, lots of animal attacks happen and leave no material evidence. Educate yourself and quit trying to make up crazy theories for what are mostly just "shit happens" occurrences.

R151 The aliens. They are doing it to fuck with the US government. Under Trump they will have a field day.

R191 I know that, but I was wondering if there's anything beyond what was widely reported. Not many details and it's pretty inexplicable

There is nothing inexplicable about Joe Keller. He died in an accident and his body wasn't found right away. Good lord, you really need to quit Alex Jones and Coast to Coast AM.

I would maybe drive to the base of a mountain or trail, get out, take a selfie, breathe in the fresh air and then turn around and drive home

R194 is Grizzly Adams. And she is pissed.

Not pissed at all. Just shaking my head at your ridiculousness in trying to make a mountain out of what is a small molehill.

I'm a ranger, and I can tell you it is incredibly easy to get disoriented in the wilderness. There are no straight lines to follow, and without a good map and a compass or GPS unit you will get lost. You walk through scrub and have to detour around a group of thorns or a wet area, or a precipice and you have no idea of direction or distance or location. That, with accidents and the occasional animal attack are why people disappear. There is nothing mysterious like a serial killer or aliens. The Rocky Mountains cover and area of 382,894 mi², while the area of France is 2/3 of that at 248,573 mi². Think about it.

oh I love coast to coast AM. I never buy into this nonsense and conspiracy theories but I love listening to people who are all in.

It's entertaining R202 but should never be taken seriously.

R201, That geographic info is indeed sobering. I had no idea of the vastness of our wilderness.

I was once walking my dogs in a very small, civilized little forest with well marked pathways. In the middle of the forest we ran into an hysterical woman who claimed she'd been lost in the woods for more than a day. Couldn't figure out if that was true or she was a nutjob.

R194 I didnt present any theories, just information.

Anyone who reads the thread is free to draw their own conclusions & discuss.

R206 wrong. You are really pushing the supernatural or anything other than unfortunate accidents they are. You seem a bit, mmm, put out by people naysaying you.

Not a US national park, but I saw a documentary yesterday about the hundreds of people who have been killed by leopards in Mumbai. Wow.

The latest Natl Pk Disappearances video.

Quite a few new vanishings in the past few months.

Well, [italic]someone[/italic] has to feed the goddess.

So aside from R208's Mumbai vanishings which can be linked to leopards, are these unexplainable disappearances happening in any other countries or is it just US National Parks?

R212 Other countries as well, but the Rusty West YT channel focuses on US national parks.

There have evidently been significant numbers of disappearances in park areas in Canada, Australia & Britain also.

My friends in Italy have told me that there have been quite a few unexplained hiker & camper disappearances in the Alps, the mountainous Abbruzzo region & the huge national park in Calabria. But the authorities hush them up, to avoid scaring off the tourists.

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Could it be that some of them fell into an abandoned well? Some rural wooded places were once homesteaded or had at least some type of attempt at settlement before the woods take it all back. I almost went down a well that was not covered expect by some ivy. There was NO POSSIBLE WAY to tell that the hole was there. If I hadn't of been grabbed by someone I would have gone down there.

^ And when search crew or investigative team members arrived they would have had the dogs sniff for your scent and have ended up at least somewhere near the well or ditch. They would have picked up your scent even if you had not survived it. But for most of the missing people in US National Parks they found nothing, no traces whatsoever. These people just vanished, seemingly into thin air because there were no traces at all.

And the dogs can't fine 'em, huh? Riiiight.

Oh, Dumbvida still going on about these "supernatural/alien" disappearances eh?

Let's not overestimate the ability of dogs to sniff out cadavers, etc. I've seen dogs who couldn't find a tennis ball that was 6 feet away from them...

^^ your Shih Tzu is not a trained cadaver dog.

Whenever I see someone have a shocking headline and the link is to fucking youtube I bust out laughing. That is all.

^^ You might want to join the rest of us in the 21st Century.

This is insane, I first heard about this on Coast to Coast radio.

That doesn't make random youtube channels a legitimate news source r222. They are largely just idiots who are happy to finally have a platform.

This is to prepare the way for big budget cuts at the Park Service, isn't it?

I can understand people being attacked by wild animals.

One October several years ago, I went to San Onofrio beach in SoCal. At that point, if you walked far enough down the beach, you could go nude. But the walk from the parking lot wended through mostly dry brush and desert landscape, until reaching a cliff, where trails led down to the beach.

Had a fun day, but left late, so that light was waning as I was making my way back up to the parking lot. Only dirt trails, and no lighting. As I neared parking area, I noticed a shape come out from some thick bushes about 50 yards ahead of me. A large, lean catlike creature, about 3 feet high or so, padding along the trail in front of me. Looked like a bobcat, but bigger, and very lean, hungry-looking. Luckily, after walking along the trail awhile, it veered into another clump of bushes, and disappeared.

I deemed myself lucky that the breeze was blowing from the animal's direction, so that my scent didn't waft toward it.. I was bigger, but, if startled, wild animals will attack on impulse. So I went in a different direction, and shortly reached my car.

I was lucky. An intrepid woman jogger from San Diego, who enjoyed running on trails away from settled communities, was attacked, and partially eaten, by a mountain lion around that time.

So it does happen.

"A large, lean catlike creature, about 3 feet high or so, padding along the trail in front of me. Looked like a bobcat, but bigger, and very lean, hungry-looking."

Maybe it was Tamra from Real Housewives of Orange County?

If so, she was wearing a ragged fur coat, and her ribs were showing.

Though, technically, this was in Orange County. So at least you got it partly right.

[quote]How can we entice the Orange Rump to one of these attractive and convenient places?

Put in a McDonald's.

[quote]An intrepid woman jogger from San Diego, who enjoyed running on trails away from settled communities, was attacked, and partially eaten, by a mountain lion around that time.

I remeber when that happened; it was 1994. She was hiking and bird watching on a Forest Service road up on Cuyamaca Peak in eastern San Diego County. She was 58 and unfortunately crossed paths with a mountain lion. Mountain lions are shy, reclusive and rarely seen; certainly never seen at beaches.

It is those goddam aliens who are draining our sperm. They are forcing massive orgasms on their subjects.

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Was reading this thread on my phone, looked up at my computer which was open to Facebook and this article was the top headline. Then I went to the website The Black Vault and my hometown is listed on the very first article.

Weirdness.

^^ Your Internet moves are being tracked. Like everyone's. Didn't you know that?

No, I didn't know that! What happened?

Facebook & Google follow you everywhere on the web, for a start.

Bigfoot is an interdimensional being that slips into our reality in wilderness settings to abduct people, particularly children.

I totally believe that, r237.

More disappearances. Some as recent as last month.

Criminal activity has been discovered deep in national parks, so some instances can be unfortunate people who stumbled on it and disappeared because they were deemed a witness to crime.

Of course, "some questions have answers, others don't":

Slightly off topic question here but still sort of relevant. I think there are numerous reasons, and not only one or two, as to why people disappear in National Parks as I've already posted upthread.

R240 Link is yet another one of those reasons. Does anyone here think that if recreational weed is legalized, to the extent that as it puts these Mexican dealers out of business, these crimes will stop. Or will they continue anyway?

What is cause of death r5? If undetermined the fact that they are children would fit into the creepy shit I've been reading about Nicole Kidman's dad. The cult of child rapers and their practice of using the children as prey in hunting parties. The children are stripped naked and told to run for their lives. The hunts allegedly happen on private grounds though, maybe they use the parks as dumping grounds?

R243 Most of the kids who have disappeared in the NP stories, have never been found, dead or alive.

r65 your story made me think of an experience I had with a light coming to me 20 years ago. Granted I was not outdoors when this happened but maybe it relates just the same.

I've posted here at DL before about losing my younger brother to suicide. When I found out I was in Philly and had to drive to Ohio to be with my family to make arrangements and bury him. Naturally it was stressful and shocking, surreal. The morning after the first night in my parents house I wasn't quite awake, I would say I was in between sleep and being awake. I experienced an intense white light above me, I thought it was sunlight coming through the window. This light was so strong and I "saw" it through my closed eyelid. I could see and feel it all around me. I felt like this light went through me as well, encompassing me. What I experienced next is difficult to explain, I wouldn't call it an embrace but whatever it was took a hold of me, my energy and emotion and anchored it. I felt calm and my mind was clear. I felt peaceful, steady. No anxiety or fear.

The light slowly began to fade, I had no concept of the time it lasted. When it faded I opened my eyes and I was looking at the ceiling. I realized the light did not come through the window. During the time I spent with my family the feeling it had given me persisted. I was calm and clear headed. The grief did not over take me. I would have dismissed it except a few months later the light came to me in the exact same way in Philly in the residence hotel I was staying in while I was working out of town.

There are lots of things in this world and there are just as many energies out there to help as to harm. Just wanted to remind everyone of that while we talk about these other stories.

r121 any stats on if any of the rangers ever go missing? They are in the parks at all times, all weather. Wondering if any of them just disappear without a trace.

^^ Yes, there have been quite a few. Here's one

Cary Stayner was a famous serial killer, who also worked at a lodge near Yosemite. He abducted three women from the lodge & killed them. Chilling story.

The fucker is still alive on death row, near 20 yrs later.

[55] The Bear Brook, NH murders have been solved, finally, but the way it was solved was fascinating.... This creeped me out, because they have his aliases, photos, DNA and a handful of his victims, but they have no idea what his real name is. He died in prison in CA, and are trying to trace where he was over decades to see if there are connections to other victims.

Come and visit our National Parks, people!

The poster who keeps referring to dogs not finding people as proof that supernatural forces are at work places too much reliance on dogs. Of course they are a useful tool but dogs are not infallible and they have to be controlled by their handlers, which is a very limiting factor.

When I wanted to buy a dog years back, I was interested in bloodhounds. I met with a breeder who dissuaded me. He said they're a nose on four legs, they make terrible pets and they're not the brightest or most easily trained animals. He said it can take over a year for a bloodhound to recognize and respond to its name. He also said the reason you always see bloodhounds on leashes when they're tracking is that if the person they're trailing went over a cliff, so will unleashed dogs.

When tracking dogs are on leashes that means they can't go anywhere their owner doesn't go. Even when they're not on leashes, they're still controlled by the handler. It's not as if dogs are turned loose to wander away and then like Lassie they return and tell the humans where they found something interesting. I watched both search and cadaver dogs at work after a natural disaster. They worked within small perimeters designated by their handlers, covering the area before they moved on.

Searchers came very close to where Joe Keller's body was eventually found, but then they went off in a different direction. Another factor from the Outside article is that it sounds like Keller's father is an asshole and that he may have impeded the search because he wanted to be in control. I can imagine the search teams working very hard at being anywhere he wasn't. The question is why Joe Keller left the road where he was running but that's the question that usually gets asked in these cases and is rarely answered.

Years ago I bought a simple little $100 GPS unit from National Geographic that allowed me to set something like four different starting points to which the unit could help me return. I've since graduated to a Garmin GPS, but that first gadget taught me it was a valuable tool. I won't go into the wilderness unprepared and GPS is a requirement.

Latest video on National Park disappearances.

So many are very young. Never seen again. Dont know how parents recover from that.

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I'm with the Occam's Razor guy upthread -- accidents and suicides

DL-ers, does everybody have a "Buddy System" in place for the August 21 solar eclipse? The mysterious vanishings are sure to increase during this time.

Most recent vid.

Never can figure out how the Nat Pk Svce doesnt ever attempt to connect any of these cases together, when there are so many strange, yet common, similarities.

It's the wolves

I'm surprised at the number of vehicles left behind, with, as the narrator says, "expired permit." Had the vehicle stayed long enough in the area that enough time had passed for its permit to expire? Or, did the people who ended up disappearing know previously that their permits were expired? Which might lead to additional implications.

Curious.

Damn, they were tasty too!

I find these stories interesting OP, even if I don't believe these disappearances are caused by supernatural or sinister entities/events. Yes, Paulides seems to do a lot of research but how can we be sure he's not cherry picking details? The other thing is a lot of people think he believes that it is BigFoot who is responsible,although he claims that he will never say what he really thinks is going on. However, he is an investigator and writer for MUFON -- the Mutual UFO Network. I also saw one of his lectures once on youtube and he talks a lot about how allegedly these disappearances happen near boulders. Why is that important? Well, according to him, uh, fairies, live under bolders (or in them) so, presumably the fairies are snatching up the kids, disabled and and elderly (because according to his research it's mostly, kids, mentally and physically disabled, and the elderly that disappear). So...yeah.

That said, I would totally watch a horror movie or thriller with any of these premises.

This shit is freaky-spooky

Yes, it is. I wish we had answers, real answers. But the truth is that we'll probably never know the real truth, the actual facts.

Another video. Very spooky. Too many unanswered questions.

R45 sou desu-ka, Miyazaki-sama.

Nope R225. More like price increases.

The creepy Park disappearances continue...

I also have as well R4 It's one reason why when I go hiking or camping I don't go alone and go with a group of friends or a group of people.

I suspect the proposed new tripling of the vehicle entrance fee for the most popular National Parks is to pay for paranormal investigators.

Prove me wrong. Oh, sorry, you can't, can you?

Joining late so maybe already discussed: I'd say animals ate them. Nom nom.

The latest...many more recent National Park disappearances.

This brings to mind an event in Russian from a few decades ago about a band of researches who died under unusual circumstances. Does anyone here know what I’m talking about?

^ No, never heard of that case. Sounds awful. Do you have any more info?

R271 Is this what you are talking about?

So why or how did all of these people go missing? I'm sure some got lost and hurt and were not found, and you had some who were killed and their bodies were hidden. Does this mean that the rest were suicidal? There was a woman here who went missing two years ago, and she was last seen at a state park, and they found her body 3 months later and ruled it a suicide. Rest in peace.

Haha R271 good one

to not see alien abduction as a possibility is narrow minded and childish for 2018

I really hope that this kid is safe, and one day reunited with his family, but I suspect they may have done something to him, or the family friend did, and everyone's covering it up?

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R273, not really but, I don’t think R277’s link is what I was thinking of.

The 2 yo boy's parents have been named as suspects in his death. The boy did not vanish or get dragged away by animals.

It's pretty clear that the 2 yo was killed by one or both parents, who then lied about his disappearance. I suspect the poor kid was crying or misbehaving and daddy punched him or hit his head with something. Rather than being prosecuted for murder, they concocted this story with their family.

Probably the case that some of these "missing" children were murdered by family members, who then made up stories about the children mysteriously vanishing, especially in a more remote wilderness/camping ground.

It’s the Sasquatch, they are not friendly, and the National Parks people all know about it.

Just the fact that the parents supposedly left the child with a grandfather is suspect.

Grandparents are notoriously clueless; they would be the last people you would leave a toddler alone with in a wild open place. Unless this grandfather was exceptional--and then he WOULD have seen something.

People have to get over the notion that parents are automatically loving. Sometimes they have children not out of need but because of biology, nature, whatever. They fucked. And then they have this little soul that needs constant attention and they don't love it or want it around. And comes a day when they decide to do something about it.

That doesn't mean the detectives are always right. But why doesn't any of the stories I've read about this case ever having anything about the grandfather in it? What's he like? Trustworthy? A loon? A bad character?

Grampy's (Bob Walton) buddy who went camping with them said

“I don’t think Bob could hurt someone,” Reinwand says. “He had a hard time getting around with his oxygen tank.”

Reinwand says investigators were interested in a shovel Walton had with him at the campsite.

“Bob always carried a shovel around with him in his camper or in his Blazer,” Reinwand says. “That was a normal thing he carried with him most of the time.”

The grandfather is strange and knows more about the death of the child - perhaps he killed the boy?

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Thanks for posting that R280. Poor boy. It's obvious that one or both of the parents killed him either on purpose or accidentally, as he was not taken away by wild animals and did not run off into the woods.

The grandfather seems older and confused or with memory issues, and the family friend knows a lot more than he is saying.

Isn't there a documentary about this? Anyone know the title?

^^Missing 411

I found this book fascinating, it's written by a park ranger and covers deaths in Yellowstone over the park's history. You will not believe the stupid things people do, despite the rangers warning them against such behavior.

Also, see this list of books about bear attacks. People go to parks with big bears in them and then sleep with food in their tents, and do other idiotic things.

R286 et al...theres a YT channel, Rusty West, that has like a 25 vid collection on Natl Pk disappearances. Most of the subjects have never been found. Not a trace.

Each of the vids is only maybe 10-15 minutes long.

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I suspect many of these people were swept up by rapids. It would explain dogs being unable to find them, and their clothes stripped off. People vastly underestimate the power of water. They think all water has the same force as what comes out of their shower heads. .

They are all being kidnapped and sexually eaten by aliens!

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Creepy... like the Bermuda Triangle. It also reminds me of the forest in Japan, where people go to die (suicides)... though some sound like mysterious disappearances.

R288.. I believe it. Last summer, a guy was harassing a bison, and another was right up to the edge of geyser, Old Faithful. People are stupid.

I fucking love R166