POLICE: SUSPECT IN CUSTODY IN MURDER OF KARINA VETRANO

Poor dad had to be the one to find her.

OMG! I was thinking this case would never be solved!! Even though her family is trashy, I hope this is the right guy so they can seek justice on some level. Incredible.

Sidebar - what is going on with the semi-ombre shock of hair in her pic? It confuses me, it isn't gradual and seems to be in just that spot. Hmmmmm.

wow, was starting to doubt this would get solved. Wonder who it is?

HOWARD BEACH, Queens — A man is in police custody in connection with the murder of Howard Beach jogger Karina Vetrano, police sources said.

The man, said to be in his 20s, is being questioned by police Saturday night. Police believe he is a possible DNA match to the alleged killer and lived at a nearby housing project, sources said.

Vetrano, 30, went on a solo run at 5 p.m. on Aug. 2, 2016 in a marshland in Howard Beach when she vanished. Her body was discovered in Spring Creek Park about 10:40 p.m., not far from where she lived.

Her father, Phillip Vetrano, a retired FDNY official, found her body with police, just 15 feet off the jogging path. Vetrano's body was so badly beaten that her teeth were knocked out.

A male DNA sample was retrieved from Vetrano’s cell phone, her neck, and from under her fingernails during the investigation in August, but the samples found no match on a national or state DNA database.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation joined the NYPD in the search for Vetrano's killer last December.

The NYPD’s Police Commissioner and Queens District Attorney, Richard Brown, requested for a state forensic lab to do “familial searching" that would look for male relatives of the unknown killer after no match was found. The process would require DNA testing be performed on the “Y” chromosome of the crime scene samples — which can produce common, male profiles on men that are relatives — a father, uncle, brother, or son.

Cathy and Phillip Vetrano were also calling for familial searching to be done in the murder case. They told PIX11 News in December they were "a broken, broken family" after their daughter's murder.

“Because of this piece of filth that must be found," Cathy Vetrano said.

The parents vowed to do everything they could to find the killer.

Phillip Vetrano also offered a $200,000 reward for information leading to the killer’s identity, money he secured from private donations.

“There is $200,000 that is private money, that I’m in control of, that I can give,” Phillip Vetrano said.

II bet this guy turns out to be 22 or 29.

^ Why?

"Lived at a nearby housing project = black or Latino.

[quote]“Because of this piece of filth that must be found," Cathy Vetrano said.

Is it wrong of me to like this mamma?

They're saying he's from East New York, Brooklyn.

DL was wrong once again, I remember posters accusing her father of being the murderer.

I'm betting the suspect bragged to the wrong person, and that person wanted that 250k reward money more...

The suspect has might be DataLounge's resident Italian-hating troll. 😜

Did they arrest the right person?

It'll be a week or more, at least, before details trickle out..

R13 but why so long???? Mustn't the police verify for sure before they can take a suspect into custody?

Is the father hot?

R7, that's what I was thinking too, unfortunately. And I think that'll turn out to be the case.

Omg.

They've been watching the area so intensely. Everyone has been treated as a potential suspect. So it's not surprising they narrowed it down eventually. 'Killers' inevitably make mistakes at some point.

Still deeply unsettling and disturbing.

Not him. This guy is in custody for something else. This won't fly. Watch. The killer is partially Hispanic though.

You may be right r19, but this case had SO much attention out east, it's hard to believe the cops would make this announcement unless they are sure. But still, as I asked earlier, why not wait to announce when they can simultaneously give his identity out?

Police had been eyeing the suspect, a man in his twenties from East New York, Brooklyn, after an off-duty officer saw him acting suspiciously in Howard Beach, sources told the New York Post. Officers stopped the suspect then, but found no valid reason to take him into custody. They approached him again earlier this week and asked for a DNA sample, which he agreed to give, the newspaper reported. The suspect had no criminal history, meaning his DNA profile wasn't part of law enforcement databases. He was being held and questioned Saturday night outside of Howard Beach.

Vetrano's father Phil confirmed to Pix11 that the NYPD had told him they had a suspect in custody.

The alleged killer's name is Chanel Lewis. DNA swabbed off of Mr. Lewis matched DNA found on deceased, Vetrano.

Tell us more, R22. If you can.

R19, how do you know that?

R19, wtf are u talking about? DNA matched 99.999999%.

The guy was initially questioned and had a tail on him for months. Also made statements that led to the tail.

Why did he agree to give DNA?

I dont think her family is " trashy " They are just working class. Probably the muderer comes from a " trashy " family . R2

R26, you're kidding, right?

It's Howard Beach - everyone there is trashy...especially the Italians...this crime is heinous, but black or Latino men don't make a habit of trolling Howard Beach looking for white women. Rapists tend to stick to their own ethnic groups for the most part.

The accused killer is 20-year-old Chanel Lewis of Brooklyn.

Chanel Lewis ? Sounds so classy !

Let's be honest here, who isn't considered trashy by DL standards.

[quote] lived at a nearby housing project,

ENY

[quote] DL was wrong once again,

Not me. I've always said it was a crime of opportunity with an assailant unknown to her.

Same here, r34. I also said that the guy was short, and of slight build, and I was right.

Some asshole on here accused me of being poo shoes due to my profile of the guy.

The guy is completely unknown to her, of slight build, short, and African American, or of mixed race that is partially of African American ancestry.

I wish the old threads were still up.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I never thought it was the father and I thought it was strange people considered him the murderer.

Photo of Chanel Lewis at link:

r38, the guy in this article looks different. I will assume this is the correct guy?

After all of the mob speculation and father's alleged shady business, it turns out to be the obvious answer: career criminal, crime of opportunity. I should pull up the old thread for laughs.

'Chanel'?????????

Is he trans?

Oh lookee here, he lives in the projects with his mom and he is unemployed. Big surprise.

Vetrano parents interviewed after suspect arrested. At link.

Mamma Vetrano:

[quote]The demon must get his justice,” Cathie said outside her home. “We will see to it.”

The suspect will not live long, will he?

I thought a DLer had inside information on this case which pointed a different way.

A good chunk of DLers thought it was a mob hit... or the father...

that's exactly what I thought, R41. I've never heard of a man called Chanel.

I cannot believe this poor girl was murdered by a gal named Chantal.

This is why I don't jog...even inside.

R46, a good chunk of DL are ID channel loving frau in the body of an overweight and worn, elderly gay man. The "mob hit" angle? Clearly people that grew up in a different time, took a long nap, and woke up to discover the internet.

The NYPD understand the neighborhood they're dealing with.

Notice how Chanel is wearing protective gear underneath his sweater.

[quote]The suspect will not live long, will he?

I certainly hope not.

I have all of you bitches one better! Not only did I say it was a crime of opportunity committed by some unemployed black guy, I also said his first name would be that of some haute couture brand. Just pull up the old thread and you'll see! I had speculated it might be Givenchy Johnson....

"I also said that the guy was short, and of slight build, and I was right."

What the fuck does height have to do with this crime?

R53, actually plenty. Because of his height and build, he needed to incapacitate her immediately in order to compensate for his height and build. He probably accomplished that by immediately punching her in the face and knocking out several teeth.

Punching her square in the face is probably the first thing he did, before even grabbing her.

Also, I firmly believe that this guy has raped before, and that this was his first murder due to the level of resistance that Vetrano displayed.

And finally, if he has raped before, the person(s) he raped never reported it.

He will be killed in jail. Hung in his cell. Made to look like suicide. Of course, he will be raped repeatedly beforehand so no one will question why he'd want to off himself. He'll beg for death.

It's already arranged.

[quote]Not him. This guy is in custody for something else. This won't fly. Watch. The killer is partially Hispanic though.

Chanel has confessed to the killing, and he is obviously black.

Can we please get R19 back in here to explain what the hell that post meant?

Karina looked stronger than this mousy guy. The element of surprise was probably the only reason she wasn't able to fight him off.

[quote]Who the fuck names their son or even their daughter, Chanel???

There used to be an employee named Chanel (female) at the grocery store I shop at.

r54, I totally agree. Vetrano isn't his first victim and he likely killed her because she was physically strong and fought back.

The sketch they circulated wasn't even close, was it?

A co-worker of mine is originally from Howard Beach, and she told me she couldn't believe that girl went jogging in the marshes. My co-worker said it was known by everyone in that area to never go into the marshes, especially alone, because there have always been a lot of transient/sketchy people wandering around there. She said it's the equivalent of going jogging in Central Park in the middle of the night, but in Howard Beach the rule applies during the daytime too.

[Quote]^ Why?

R6, not saying this idiot isn't guilty as charged. I'm just pointing out there are markers that may show we're not being told everything. If you are awake, you'll understand.

For instance, take a look at the two officers escorting the suspect out of the precint. One has a red tie and the other is wearing a blue one. Also, check out the suspect's demeanor. He seems terrified, but look closely and you'll see a smirk. This is a dupping-delight (look it up).

r61 young women are being taught now that being right is more important than being safe.

That's a haggard looking 20 y/o.

R63 Men should be taught not to rape. Stop victim-blaming.

r65 where did I say men weren't accountable? Meanwhile, back in the world, women are putting themselves in danger by insisting on what you just said above the reality of our patriarchal society.

You can't teach a sociopath to be nice.

Some of Vetrano's relatives are bat shit crazy. Like Victoria Gotti hell bent on revenge crazy. Think they will do a To Die For and arrange for a lifer to kill him before he goes to trial? I understand that the woman was raped and killed in a particularly brutal manner but how is attacking the press going to bring her back?

who was attacking the press, R68?

In other words, the police were being criticised too much, so they pulled over a homeless guy and accused him and he'll be quietly released later on.

^ wtf? The suspect was not homeless. He lived with his mother, his DNA was a match, and he essentially made a confession.

Oh for Christ sake.....it's the guy, it's his DNA, he's going to turn out to have mental/sexual issues and he's going to be dead before his trial concludes, possibly before it even begins.

I am a woman who was raped it was not my fault but if i had been more careful about certain things it might not have happened. I agrre with you r63

R65-typing in his Garanimals. Really? And who's teaching men to rape? Oh, right. "The Narrative" teaches us that we live in a "Rape Culture", directly connected to the "White Male Patriarchy". Ho hum. Get back to us when you've completed middle school.

R29 You're full of shit, or you've just come down with the rain. Look up the stats for black-on-white rape vs. white-on-black rape.

R63 is right. There are places in the world where any unaccompanied woman is considered to be available, or a whore. And we're importing scads of their denizens in the name of "inclusion". America's Magic Dirt. It has awesome powers!

As for the Italian-haters on the other threads, "Vaffunculo", and I hope that eggplant doesn't see a trial.

Well, I guess we now know that this murder wasn't linked to the Vanessa Marcotte one.

LOL r74 looks up statistics on black on white and white on black rape? Who does shit like that?

R74, must've also forgot about the 400 years of freebie rape white men committed on black women. It was only 400 years, very easy to forget.

What would possess a woman, knowing a lot about Howard Beach, to risk her life and go jogging - alone? A cop or fireman's daughter especially. As the other poster said, it would appear many if not most women (and men) would be aware that it's equivalent to jogging at night in Central Park?

This is a sad case. I can't imagine just going out for a jog and ending up murdered. It can be a scary world...

Soon, R74. Soon.

The fuck is R62 talking about?

There was a lot of wild speculation on DL about Karina's murder last year. The mafia stuff, the father, the suggestion that she was a hooker or had sugar daddies, all of which seemed pretty far-fetched. I live in Brooklyn, although nowhere near East New York, but even I was aware of the proximity of sketchy East New York, Brooklyn, to lily-white Ozone Park, Queens. My son knows a few people who knew Karina casually from clubs. Pretty sure they would have been talking about boyfriend or mafia rumors.

I'm glad they caught the guy. My first thought was that he was pissed that his parents named him Chanel. Kind of a twisted version of A Boy Named Sue. And that is an old looking 30!

R82, she was 30. He's 20. I agree he is an old looking 20. But I don't think she was an old looking 30.

I agree that he looks like a 90 lb weakling. She was strong as an ox (see pic). He must have whacked her in the face with a shovel as she ran by. Can't think of any other reason he would be able to overpower her.

A fit girl is still a girl. I don't mean to sound sexist, but I could've overpowered her at 17.

Sorry, R83. I meant to say he is an old-looking 20. I think she was strong and fit, but according to an article I read today, she was also short. He was apparently 6 feet tall, although he was skinny.

My dad was born and raised in Howard Beach. He said everybody knew better than to go into the weeds. That said, in the olden days, there would be no trial, just swift Howard Beach-style justice.

Do we know if he's even legal? He looks African.

Please let it be true.

Her father didn't want her to go jogging without him so they were aware of the dangers that lurked in the marshes. She did it anyway. She was running in broad daylight in the middle of the day, not at night, so I can understand a fit woman convincing herself that she could outrun or battle back against an assailant If necessary as a way to maintain control of her life and not be fearful all the time. But I would have had a treadmill in the basement for the days I couldn't run because of weather, or because my father feared for my safety, and rightfully so, if I ran alone. But that's just me.

Anybody know what has happened in the gay jeweler's adopted "son" case? No word in the news...

02/02/16:

A New York judge has issued a temporary protective order for court filings related to the brutal killing of Stamford’s Joseph Comunale, making the documents confidential. Judge Charles Solomon issued the order at the request of state prosecutors, who were concerned the release of certain information could “jeopardize the pending homicide investigation,” said attorney Michael Pappa, who represents co-defendant Lawrence Dilione.

Pappa said he filed a motion in court Tuesday afternoon, but he could not discuss its content because of the protective order. The order will be reviewed on Monday, Pappa said.

I'm a 6 foot-tall, muscular male and even *I* wouldn't go jogging in some isolated hinterland area by myself. You just don't know who the fuck is out there.

[quote]must've also forgot about the 400 years of freebie rape white men committed on black women. It was only 400 years, very easy to forget.

Oh go cry yourself a fucking river. This is the world in 2017, right here and now. Not awful things that happened centuries ago.

Karina looked to be in peak physical shape. At age 30, I felt and probably was as strong as I'd ever be. Lots of joggers hold the mistaken belief that they can outrun a bad dude trying to harm them. And especially in a neighborhood you've lived in your whole life, where you know the lay of the land, and where you've run thousands of times safely before....

Sad. All it takes is one bad run to cross paths with a maniac..

"There are places in the world where any unaccompanied woman is considered to be available, or a whore. And we're importing scads of their denizens in the name of "inclusion". America's Magic Dirt. It has awesome powers!"

Yawn, here is where the Trumpanzees whine about Muslims, even though they commit a fraction of the crime in the US. I doubt this guy was even Muslim, anyway.

Btw, statistically few women are raped or murdered by strangers. They face far more danger from the men they know....

I wouldn't be surprised if that little mulignan had some kind of 'accident' before his trial.

R92, that wasn't even 100 years ago. It was occurring during the same years as the golden age of Hollywood that you no doubt long for. I understand that the past is only important when it concerns your heritage.

I knew it was a schvartze!

This case will not help the already strained, decades-long relationship and enmity between NY's blacks and Italians..

bump

What's strange is that the guy looks like a nut job. He doesn't look evil. He just looks like he's not all there.

What a fucked up way to die.

Chanel Lewis, Karina Vetrano's killer, claims he strangled her to death because he was angry, due to issues he was experiencing at home.

That makes sense. Whenever a person gets stressed at home they go out and find someone to fuck to death. He's clearly got issues but I hope he gets the book thrown at him and doesn't see freedom in his lifetime.

He looks weird.. like there is something mentally wrong with him. Aspie? autism? And he looks damn old for 20

At 20 y/o, you haven't even bought your first legal drink.. you have the best years of your life ahead of you. WTF ruins that by committing such a senseless crime?

According to the article, he graduated from a school for kids with special needs(emotional and behavioral problems).

It also states that his father is a retired school principal. He's not a career criminal type, but a mentally ill man who would've eventually killed another woman. With the absence of DNA who knows how much longer he could've been out there.

Why am I not surprised that he's black ?

You tell us, R107.

R108

Let me put it to you like this PC person; were you a betting person, placing a bet that the killer was black is usually terrific odds.

Those handsome killer-studs, lest ppl forget their faces.

East New York. Enough said.

Omg.

This really isn't going to improve race relations is it.

Race relations were never going to improve so why is it relevant?

This should be a pretty open-and-shut case if the DNA match and the videotaped confession are to be believed.

Yes. Because only black people deserve to be denigrated as an entire group when one commits a heinous crime, [R113], idiot.

If the US military carpet-bombed East New York, it would be no loss to society.

Same could be said if your basement was carpet bombed, r117.

For the record, I did think the father was shady and creepy and I still DO. His obsession with his favorite daughter (did you know Karina has a sister?) is at Trump levels. And then there's his shady business stuff. The guy didn't deserve to have his daughter brutally murdered, but there is all sorts of weird stuff to unpack there.

I fucking LOVE Karina's mom and her unbridled and bombastic statements. She does not mince words. I hope this brings some peace to her.

So they found her killer and I'm glad. Chanel is one fucked-up dude. He's not long for this world.

Poor Mama Vetrano. I feel a tad guilty saying this, but she would make for a fascinating subject of a reality show. The Real Mothers of Howard Beach or something like that. You know she would bring the drama.

Karina looked better a little more .. natural (w/out all of the crazy makeup and highly flirtatious selfies). Sometimes less is more, girls.

R120. Indeed. She's a lot more feisty than I imagined she was.

We didn't see her in the beginning. Did she want to remain private, or did her spotlight-hogging husband make her stay home? I thought she would be one of those meek martyr types, but she's fiery!

ITA @ R121. Pretty girl.

Alternate juror of mistriak jury is coming forward to say he would not have voted to convict. How shitty a job must the prosecutors have done? The guy confessed and I believe they have DNA evidence.

"The guy confessed and I believe they have DNA evidence."

False confessions are not unheard of but the DNA is harder to explain away

my gut is telling me the neighborhood nut was watching her for awhile and the one time she went out for a jog alone he pounced, i dont think its this guy.

^ But the DNA points to him.

Interesting recount of the hours and days after Lewis' arrest. IIRC, his DNA was matched against a mixture of DNA samples, gathered using a controversial method, and I don't think they found a match from the material under her fingernails, whick is curious since Lewis said she scratched him.

the girl was an athlete and rarely missed her run, she was brutally assaulted but she put up a fight to defend herself. did this guy have any scratches or bruises or bite marks when he was picked up?

It would be great if one of the jurors spoke publicly, but I'm sure after having their faces plastered on tv they are probably in hiding.

Wouldn't it be awful if the jurors gave up so they could go home to their families in time for Thanksgiving? New Yorkers are like that.

Her father needs to track this savage down & shoot him in the face about 20 times.

Mistrial, my ass.

People know it's a mob set-up. I feel bad for this guy getting caught up but the father absolutely knows who it is.

Link

I live about fifteen minutes from Howard Beach. Everyone knows this case is a sham and that poor slow kid didn’t do it. The entire case was compromised once her dad found and put his hands on her.

I’m with R135 - I believe 100% that this poor, slow boy has been set up as the patsy here. I really, REALLY, hope it all comes out, and that the dad, the police, the prosecutors, everyone who had a hand in this sham gets charged. But I’m old enough to realize the chances of this happening are slim. Best one could hope for is something happens that causes the charges to be dropped, then cut to the dad crying on all the local news programs that his daughter will never have any justice.

Wonder where all the NYC investigative journalists are? This story is crying out for a thorough, and deep investigation.

Wasn’t her dna found under his fingernails?

"People know it's a mob set-up. I feel bad for this guy getting caught up but the father absolutely knows who it is"

Mob only kills other mobsters, not women. Not everything is a conspiracy.

R135, I followed this case because there was something “off” about it. The way it broke, with the dad running the show, and all the weird family dynamics. On the face of it, it makes sense that Lewis killed her. But there were so many odd things about the Vetrano family, I still wonder.

I don't think it's weird that a father would want to be involved in his daughter's murder investigation

I found it odd that her father reportedly told the news and police that he ALWAYS went jogging with her. But this time, he didn't feel like it. That always sounded off to me. The ONE time he doesn't go and his daughter is murdered. Whatever mob he's mixed up with made him tell his daughter to go without him and she did OR the mob was there and wouldn't LET him go jogging with his daughter. Also a coincidence that DAD finds his dead daughter, not the cops? I think he was told where to find the body. Do we know if he had life insurance on his daughter? Pretty easy way to pay off those gambling/other mob debts.

I'm not sure Lewis did this crime either. He may have tried to sexually assault her or maybe the cops "matched" his DNA, in a way only they know how to do. I don't think he murdered her. I think he was set up.

"The ONE time he doesn't go and his daughter is murdered. "

Gee, maybe that's because attackers are way more likely to target women who are alone than women who are accompanied by a man. Not everything is a conspiracy.

justice is not served when the wrong guy is convicted

On the night of the attack, five juvenile males – four African American and one Hispanic – were apprehended in connection with a number of attacks in Central Park committed by around 30 teenage perpetrators. The defendants were tried variously for assault, robbery, riot, rape, sexual abuse, and attempted murder relating to Meili's and other attacks in the park, based solely on confessions that they said were coerced and false. Before the trial, the FBI tested the DNA of the rape kit and found it did not match to any of the tested suspects. The office of District Attorney Robert Morgenthau presented these findings to the press as "inconclusive".[2] They were convicted in 1990 by juries in two separate trials. Subsequently, known as the Central Park Five, they received sentences ranging from 5 to 15 years. Four of the convictions were appealed and the convictions were affirmed by appellate courts. The defendants spent between 6 and 13 years in prison.

In 2002, Matias Reyes, a convicted murderer and serial rapist in prison, confessed to raping the jogger, and DNA evidence confirmed his guilt. He knew facts about the crime that only the offender could have known, and also said he committed the rape alone.[

I know an investigator who has read the transcripts. She was supposedly violently raped, but no DNA or semen was recovered from her genital area. They’ve got the kid’s DNA on her phone and on her neck supposedly. There is a ton of absolute shadiness surrounding this family, like that huge, gaudy house the retired firefighter lives in on his pension.

Nothing in this murder points to a "mob hit" or professional hit. Try again.

People need to stop going outside to do stuff. It's dangerous. Go to the gym or get a Peloton treadmill.

She was extremely unattractive. She probably tried to molest him and he killed her via self defense.

r148 must have never met a straight man ever. 99.999999% of straight men would have sex with her.

r149 google her "no filter" photos. she was a dog

R148 / R150 is a new low even for DL.

I know you think it's cool to empty your brain on an anonymous board, but you are still talking to other people who see the vile in you even if they don't know you.

I do think there is more to this than just the kid they put in jail.

R152, something isn’t right. I distinctly remember seeing the first reports on NY1.

When the story first broke, it sounded like it was a teen girl who was missing (and then murdered). The story focused exclusively on the father and his desperate search for her. I assumed he was a single father who was allowing his teen daughter a small measure of independence by letting her run by herself that day.

We see footage of this man stomping around in tall grass with a cigar (looks like he’s leading the investigation). We see photos of the spandex-clad, duck-lipped adult woman posing in the arms of an older man. (she’s not a kid, but a grown sexy woman. And the man isn’t her sugar daddy, it’s her actual father. They are posed like lovers.)

We see the mother eventually (ah, so there IS another parent around!) (There’s also a sister, a plain not-sexy woman who seems to lead her own life with a brown husband. She doesn’t get mentioned.)

The whole story revolves around Karina and her father. It’s just odd.

Then there’s the question of how these people make their money. It’s obvious to anyone with three brain cells that the dad is... connected. Not sure if it has anything to do with Karina’s death, but it’s there.

my gut tells me they got the wrong guy

Pure racism in our justice system yet again.

i think the cops had a lot of pressure to close this case and rushed to 'get the guy'.

hes 'off' in some way,weird.

but has no prior record

I saw a news show about false confessions and how high profile cases are handled. According to the segment, innocent people sometimes get swept up because the police are eager to close the case and avert prolonged public outcry which could lead to civil unrest.

Chanel's developmental issues could very well have made him open to manipulation. He recently admitted he enjoyed the notoriety and was planning to write a book. Did he come up with this on his own, or did someone entice this gullible patsy? Someone with his limited capacity could easily be convinced he committed the crime. It doesn't add up that he doesn't have a previous record, comes from a 2 parent middle-class home, his parents are educators, one of the jurors feels he was railroaded, and someone close to the investigation leaked info that points to two other suspects. And dont forget the father's behavior during the search and his unexplained income. I accept the verdict, but it would be a damn shame if the public came to find out there was more to the story.

grabbing the first dude who 'looked guilty', is not justice

Trying to blame the father with zero evidence is not justice. Trying to make shit up about a "mob hit" when everything about this case points to a sexual predator and NOT a mob hit is not justice.