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Ukraine - Travel in April

I'm going to Lviv, Ukraine in April. I'll be in the area for at least two weeks.

Have you been to Ukraine? When, and how was it? Were the hotels nice? How's the shopping? What are nice things to buy there? I'm going to try to find a local guide... Suggestions?

The image attached is of a Ukrainian guy, a model in LA. Is he somewhat representative of many Ukrainian guys in their 20s?

How's the gay scene? What about escorting?

What's the best thing about Ukraine? I'm looking for fun stuff to do ...

TIA!!! 😉

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by Anonymousreply 102August 5, 2021 9:39 PM

Stuff is crazy cheap. The nicest hotels are under$150/night.

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by Anonymousreply 1February 3, 2017 6:05 AM

Thank heavens you're not going there in May - Kiev will host Eurovision this year and annoying queens from all over Europe are gonna make their pilgrimage there.

I haven't been there yet but apparently it's a beautiful country. A friend told me that men are either breathtakingly gorgeous or they look like Chernobly survivors, with very little choice in between. He was also impressed by the wooden village churches (tserkvas) near the Polish border.

And I personally find escorting icky, but since it's a rather poor country tricks shouldn't be hard to find. Hope you like uncut cocks.

by Anonymousreply 2February 3, 2017 6:07 AM

By April, Ukraine will no longer be Ukraine...

by Anonymousreply 3February 3, 2017 6:08 AM

The "model"

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by Anonymousreply 4February 3, 2017 6:09 AM

gurl the cunt-ry is quite homophobic

by Anonymousreply 5February 3, 2017 6:09 AM

Looks beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 6February 3, 2017 6:14 AM

If an American falls in love with someone there, how might he bring that person home?

by Anonymousreply 7February 3, 2017 6:15 AM

I'm looking at the hotels, but they don't have any chains... Well they have one Accor hotel, but no Marriott/Starwood brands.

Do they have Starbucks? Or just that UK clone?

by Anonymousreply 8February 3, 2017 6:18 AM

I heard Lviv isn't that homophobic, in part because it's in the western part of Ukraine.

by Anonymousreply 9February 3, 2017 6:19 AM

Lviv, Ukraine: Local Dumplings and International Sensibility

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by Anonymousreply 10February 3, 2017 6:22 AM

Yes, the country is quite homophobic, but there are plenty of closeted guys everywhere.

There was a huge gay scandal in Ukraine a while ago. Someone leaked photos of one of the leading Ukrainian military generals (a really buff guy) where he is seen stuffing billiard balls and a dildo up his ass. Of course the Russians had a field day when those photos were released and tried to portray the whole Ukraine as a nation of perverts. I can't seem to find those pics right now, but they weren't sexy at all.

by Anonymousreply 11February 3, 2017 6:25 AM

Gay bathhouses.

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by Anonymousreply 12February 3, 2017 6:31 AM

Yikes...

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by Anonymousreply 13February 3, 2017 6:35 AM

Give our love to Pooty-poot when he invades!

by Anonymousreply 14February 3, 2017 6:37 AM

Lviv has been part of Poland and the Austro-Hungarian Empire so it's more European than 'real' Ukraine, and people there are generally quite anti-Russia. It's still not that gay friendly though, so leave your rainbow hotpants at home. But if you're fairly discreet you shouldn't have any trouble hooking up, I used Grindr just fine there.

And no, most Ukrainian guys do not look like the Sean Cody model you posted.

by Anonymousreply 15February 3, 2017 6:44 AM

OMG...

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by Anonymousreply 16February 3, 2017 6:54 AM

R15, are guys like that OP model one in a million there, or kind of less rare?

by Anonymousreply 17February 3, 2017 6:56 AM

They must have something line this to meet guys...

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by Anonymousreply 18February 3, 2017 6:59 AM

R17 I'd most guys are very average looking but when they're hot they're really hot. Same with the girls.

You'll see a decent number of good looking guys in any city, but all the best looking people will become models in Russia (or China/Japan) because Ukraine is so poor.

by Anonymousreply 19February 3, 2017 7:00 AM

R7 You'll only have trouble if he is Muslim.

by Anonymousreply 20February 3, 2017 12:06 PM

It sure looks pretty

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by Anonymousreply 21February 3, 2017 12:11 PM

Something about that pic, R21, makes it look awful. Discordant roof colors or something. The sky is drab maybe...

by Anonymousreply 22February 3, 2017 2:32 PM

Ukrainian male model Stan Jouk, looks like his career ended in 2011. Maybe someone in Dubai took him in...

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by Anonymousreply 23February 3, 2017 2:41 PM

[quote] What about escorting?

are you doing the buying or the selling?

by Anonymousreply 24February 3, 2017 2:52 PM

It's COLD in April. 7-12C (44.6-53.6F).

No Starbucks...

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by Anonymousreply 25February 3, 2017 2:52 PM

The full invasion of Ukraine will be underway by then.

by Anonymousreply 26February 3, 2017 2:56 PM

It'll be part of Russia very soon

by Anonymousreply 27February 3, 2017 3:03 PM

Lviv is right near the western border with Poland. I think Russia won't be that far inside the country in April... Maybe.

by Anonymousreply 28February 3, 2017 3:05 PM

I'm not going anywhere outside the country until Trump is gone. The entire world hates us and I'm just not going to subject myself to that.

by Anonymousreply 29February 3, 2017 3:09 PM

Location of one of the worst Jewish pogroms of the holocaust.

GOGGLE: Pogrom Lviv

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by Anonymousreply 30February 3, 2017 3:09 PM

Grindr and PlanetRomeo do the job, I think.

by Anonymousreply 31February 3, 2017 3:10 PM

Seriously, how do you import a boyfriend if you meet one there?

by Anonymousreply 32February 3, 2017 3:11 PM

There are many hot Ukrainian gogo dancers in West Hollywood ....

by Anonymousreply 33February 3, 2017 3:16 PM

Q: My same-sex fiancée and I want to live in the United States. How can I get her a visa? My partner and I live in Lviv, Ukraine. I am a U.S. citizen. My fiancée and I want to marry, but Ukraine does not allow same-sex marriages. We tried to get her a U.S. tourist visa, but she could not satisfy the U.S. consular officer that she would return to Ukraine. She is 22 years old, college-educated, unmarried, does not own property and has no official employment papers.

Name withheld, Lviv, Ukraine

A: You should bring your partner to the United States on an K-1 Fiancé(e) visa, then marry her in a state that allows same-sex marriages. Then, she can apply for permanent residence.

The recent change in immigration law allowing same-sex petitioning has generated lots of questions about fiancĂ©(e) petitions. Let’s review the rules.

Only a U.S. citizen can petition for a fiancé(e). To petition to get a fiancée a K-1 fiancé(e) visa, the U.S. citizen petitioner files USCIS form I-129F, Petition for Alien Fiancé(e). The process from filing until interview at a U.S. consulate abroad should be about nine months. The K-1 visa holder may come to the U.S. for 90 days. After the marriage, the fiancé(e) may then apply for an immigrant visa using USCIS form I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status.

A U.S. citizen petitioner must prove that he or she had a face-to-face meeting with his or her fiancĂ©(e) in the two years prior petition filing. USCIS will exempt a couple from this meeting if traveling abroad is unusually difficult for the U.S. citizen. For instance, because the U.S. citizen can’t travel for health reasons. The USCIS can also exempt a couple from the meeting requirement if meeting before the wedding would violate the couple’s customs, religion or culture.

For you, proving a meeting shouldn’t be a problem. For petitioners based in the U.S., proof of meeting includes plane tickets, hotel bills and photos together. You’ll want to submit evidence your relationship is bona fide or “real,” such as copies of emails, letters or phone records. A K-1 visa holder entrant can get a green card without leaving the U.S. only by marrying the U.S. citizen, the petitioner. USCIS will recognize the marriage even if it occurs more than 90 days after entry.

You will need to file the petition, form I-129F, in the U.S., designating a residence there. If your state of residence does not allow same-sex marriages, consider filing an affidavit with the petition explaining where in the U.S. you will marry.

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by Anonymousreply 34February 3, 2017 3:37 PM

R25 that's really not cold for April.

by Anonymousreply 35February 3, 2017 3:51 PM

R35, I guess you're right. I'm in LA so it sound awfully cold.

by Anonymousreply 36February 3, 2017 3:54 PM

The 'new Ukraine' is failing us, LGBT activists say

Zo­ryan Kis was sit­ting on a bench in the cen­tre of Kiev with his boyfriend on his lap when a group of teenagers came up to them, asked if they were “pa­tri­ots” and doused them in pepper spray.

Friends rushed to help but the reaction to their public display of affection was clear – they were not welcome.

Kis and his partner, both LGBT activists, had decided to stage the moment to test how far Ukrainian attitudes towards the gay community had come since the historic Euromaidan protests of 2014.

LGBT festival in Ukraine abandoned after far-right protest Read more With the subsequent ousting of pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych – who was known to court president Vladimir Putin’s favour by emulating his infamous “anti-gay laws” – the LGBT community was optimistic that attitudes would change.

However, two years on many have since found that persecution and prejudice continues, and that the free­doms called for by the protesters in Kiev’s independence square have been un­evenly ap­plied in post-rev­o­lu­tion Ukraine – particularly when it comes to sexuality.

In the west­ern city of Lviv lo­cal au­thor­i­ties announced earlier this month they could not pro­tect a fes­ti­val or­ga­nised by an LGBT or­gan­i­sa­tion, allowing the ho­tel where the event was about to take place to become sur­rounded by far-right ac­tivists in masks shout­ing “kill, kill, kill”. The or­ga­nis­ers were forced to cancel the event and leave the city over fears for their safety.

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by Anonymousreply 37February 3, 2017 3:57 PM

Easy to get around - a new electric tram.

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by Anonymousreply 38February 3, 2017 4:03 PM

Nice new airport.

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by Anonymousreply 39February 3, 2017 4:06 PM

I've never been, but I follow this guy from Lviv on Instagram and it looks like a beautiful place, surprisingly modern and hip compared to what I have seen from other Ukrainian cities.

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by Anonymousreply 40February 3, 2017 4:07 PM

Does he escort?

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by Anonymousreply 41February 3, 2017 4:09 PM

Putin wants Poland too.

by Anonymousreply 42February 3, 2017 4:09 PM

Cost of living in Ukraine is 64.90% lower than in United States (aggregate data for all cities, rent is not taken into account). Rent in Ukraine is 76.78% lower than in United States (average data for all cities).

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by Anonymousreply 43February 3, 2017 4:12 PM

They make ~$200/month...

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by Anonymousreply 44February 3, 2017 4:13 PM

Ukraine, OP?? wow, you really know how to have fun!

by Anonymousreply 45February 3, 2017 4:14 PM

Lowest wages in Europe.

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by Anonymousreply 46February 3, 2017 4:15 PM

Western Sex Tourists Are Still Looking for Love in Ukraine

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by Anonymousreply 47February 3, 2017 4:21 PM

What scared Ukraine’s ‘sex tourists’ away

Sexpats’ disappearance is symptom of perceptions of war and chaos, and not universally welcome.

...

While Turkish men were once reviled for being uncouth and lacking respect for women, their star has risen now that Europeans have stopped visiting.

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by Anonymousreply 48February 3, 2017 4:22 PM

Don't go-it's an enemy nation! They're trying to stop the US' best ally, Russia, from annexing more land. Clearly Ukraine doesn't respect the sovereign rights of Russia

by Anonymousreply 49February 3, 2017 4:24 PM

Can't the US and Russia just work with Ukraine to split the country, like they did with Germany after WW2? Then the EU can work with the western part, and help it because all modern and European, and Russia can have the eastern part as a ... satellite or whatever they want to do with it - like they dominate Belarus. No more war!

by Anonymousreply 50February 3, 2017 4:27 PM

*become all modern and European (typo, sorry)

by Anonymousreply 51February 3, 2017 4:27 PM

tRump is going to give Ukraine away also with the baltic states.

by Anonymousreply 52February 3, 2017 4:32 PM

I'm going to go there, find a guy or two, and bring them home with me.

by Anonymousreply 53February 3, 2017 4:37 PM

we'll see, R53

by Anonymousreply 54February 3, 2017 4:38 PM

Isn't war kind of pricey for Russia (and everyone)? What's the freakin' point?

by Anonymousreply 55February 3, 2017 4:41 PM

OP, if you are looking for encounters, I suggest you rent an apartment rather than stay in a hotel. I wouldn't call Ukrainians homophobic, they tend to have a live and let live attitude. But there are those who want to deny gays' constitutionally enshrined rights. I can't speak about L'viv, but my cousin is openly gay in Kyiv.

Don't worry about Starbucks. L'vivhas a strong coffee culture. You'll find better coffee at local shops.

by Anonymousreply 56February 3, 2017 4:55 PM

R56, have you been there? What percentage of the guys are hot? I've read that the women really are generally pretty hot - a good percentage of them, maybe 20%. What about the guys?

by Anonymousreply 57February 3, 2017 4:58 PM

I am ethnically Ukrainian and female. There are hot guys, but overall, they don't dress well and keep their hair really short. Alcoholism is also a huge problem that destroys their looks, though it's less of an issue among gay men.

I'll check for any gay clubs in L'viv via a Ukrainian google search.

by Anonymousreply 58February 3, 2017 5:13 PM

WHET Kazaky?

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by Anonymousreply 59February 3, 2017 5:16 PM

My Ukrainian -Canadian friend is hung like a moose. He has a lot of moles though.

by Anonymousreply 60February 3, 2017 5:16 PM

OP is there to pick up his Ukrainian trophy husband!

by Anonymousreply 61February 3, 2017 5:20 PM

I'd stay away.

by Anonymousreply 62February 3, 2017 5:29 PM

Is this a Slavic bone structure? Germanic? What is this "look"?

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by Anonymousreply 63February 3, 2017 5:51 PM

You mean Igor Kolomiyets?

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by Anonymousreply 64February 3, 2017 6:00 PM

Yes, R64. I know he's Ukrainian, so he should be Slavic, but I'm wondering whether there's anything else mixed in there...

by Anonymousreply 65February 3, 2017 6:01 PM

I'm guessing a Slavic Jewish mix.

by Anonymousreply 66February 3, 2017 6:01 PM

Thanks, R58.

by Anonymousreply 67February 3, 2017 6:33 PM

BelAmi model types...

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by Anonymousreply 68February 3, 2017 6:36 PM

Arthur Tselishchev

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by Anonymousreply 69February 3, 2017 6:37 PM

LOTS of Ukrainian guys in LA. Some are kind of bi.

by Anonymousreply 70February 3, 2017 7:22 PM

He's in new print ads for Grindr.

by Anonymousreply 71February 3, 2017 10:11 PM

K-1 visa application, R32 . If you live in the US. Filing can be expensive and you would have to marry the BF within 90 days of his arrival in the US. You can read about it on the U.S. State Dept. Website.

by Anonymousreply 72February 3, 2017 10:32 PM

The town square is very pretty. Otherwise, eat lots of pyrohy.

by Anonymousreply 73February 3, 2017 11:03 PM

Igor is cute in the new Grindr poster ads. He's in underwear, with a cartoon speech bubble coming out of his mouth that contains an emoji peach and Grindr mask icon.

by Anonymousreply 74February 4, 2017 12:22 AM

I don't like that twink-y type of Slavic boys. I prefer real men, like this Russian daddy.

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by Anonymousreply 75February 4, 2017 1:20 AM

OP. why are you traveling to a war zone, or imminently potential war zone? Business? Pleasure? Why?

by Anonymousreply 76February 4, 2017 1:25 AM

To be fair to OP, the USA is about to become a giant war zone as well.

by Anonymousreply 77February 4, 2017 2:28 AM

There is no war in L'viv.

I had a look and there are no gay clubs in L'viv.

by Anonymousreply 78February 4, 2017 2:38 AM

Lviv is in western Ukraine. The trouble is in eastern Ukraine, near Donetsk, with all those pesky Russian nationalists.

by Anonymousreply 79February 4, 2017 3:12 AM

As America and Russia talk, Ukraine fights

New clashes in Donbas may show Vladimir Putin testing Donald Trump

THE timing was ominous. A day after the first, seemingly cordial telephone conversation between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the residents of Avdiivka, a small town on the Ukrainian side of the conflict line with Russian-backed separatists, heard the echoes of heavy artillery fire. The conflict that Russia started in Ukraine in 2014 has been partly frozen over the past two years. But on January 29th it flared up with renewed force.

Three days later, on February 1st, the bodies of seven Ukrainian soldiers killed in the fighting were brought to Kiev. Maidan, the city square that was the site of the country’s 2014 revolution, once again swelled with people. Social media were filled with messages of support for soldiers and calls to collect supplies for victims, along with videos of shelling by Russian Grad rockets. Ukrainian soldiers received text messages seemingly sent by the Russian side: “You are just meat to your commanders”. Since then other Ukrainian positions along the front line have been attacked, and the death toll is rising.

Following the flare-up, the American ambassador to the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe, which monitors the ceasefire, blamed “combined Russian-separatist forces” for starting the attacks. Ukrainian forces have been creeping forward into the “grey zone” in recent months, seizing positions in several small towns. The rebels might have felt it was an opportune moment to hit back.

Whoever started the fighting, its victims are the 16,000 civilians in Avdiivka, who for days were cut off from electricity in temperatures of -20°C, and those in the rebel-held territories, many of whom lack water. The violence underscores the difficulty of implementing the Minsk Two ceasefire agreement, signed in February 2015, which the two sides interpret differently. For Kiev and its Western backers, the agreement is a path for Ukraine to reassert control over its east and close its border with Russia, followed by a decentralisation of power to its regions. Russia, however, sees the agreement as a way of retaining control over eastern Ukraine, keeping the border open and demanding that Kiev recognise Donbas as an autonomous region within Ukraine. This would give Russia permanent influence over Ukraine’s future.

From Ukraine’s point of view, the violence was a warning to its American and European allies, several of whom are considering lifting sanctions against Russia. “Who would dare talk about lifting the sanctions in such circumstances?” asked Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine’s president, who cut short a visit to Germany to attend to the crisis. Mr Poroshenko later said he would call a national referendum on joining NATO—which Russia considers a red line and NATO itself does not want.

Doubting the Donald

Many Russia-watchers think Mr Putin may have stoked the conflict to test his new American counterpart. Mr Trump has promised better relations with Moscow. Mr Putin may have decided to probe his willingness to turn a blind eye to Russian actions in Ukraine, the two countries’ main point of conflict. The Russian government says Ukraine was discussed in their telephone conversation.

In the past, significant escalations of fighting were quickly met by the White House or the State Department with strongly worded statements condemning Russian aggression and supporting Ukraine’s territorial integrity. This time it took the State Department two days to say it was “deeply concerned”; it did not mention Russia. This response was duly noted in Moscow. “Washington does put the blame on the [separatist] republics, does not express support for Kiev and does not say a word about Russia’s role,” Rossiiskaia Gazeta, the official government newspaper, wrote jubilantly.

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by Anonymousreply 80February 4, 2017 3:14 AM

... In the past, significant escalations of fighting were quickly met by the White House or the State Department with strongly worded statements condemning Russian aggression and supporting Ukraine’s territorial integrity. This time it took the State Department two days to say it was “deeply concerned”; it did not mention Russia. This response was duly noted in Moscow. “Washington does put the blame on the [separatist] republics, does not express support for Kiev and does not say a word about Russia’s role,” Rossiiskaia Gazeta, the official government newspaper, wrote jubilantly.

The Kremlin also noted the American failure to react to the news that Alexei Navalny, an opposition leader and anti-corruption campaigner, would be tried again on trumped-up charges. Mr Navalny pledged to run against Mr Putin in next year’s presidential elections, but is now likely to observe Mr Putin’s re-election from a prison cell.

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by Anonymousreply 81February 4, 2017 3:15 AM

I hope you like B.O.

by Anonymousreply 82February 4, 2017 3:26 AM

In Lviv, Ukraine, the nation's east-west divide is on display

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by Anonymousreply 83February 4, 2017 3:30 AM

R76, pleasure. I've been fascinated with Ukraine for a while. Figured Lviv would be a pretty safe first foray.

by Anonymousreply 84February 4, 2017 4:12 AM

I'm with R3. You may end up being arrested for being a spy or even worse.

by Anonymousreply 85February 4, 2017 4:24 AM

You should watch the documentary Winter on Fire so you can see what to expect if Vlad decides Ukraine is his and Trump can't find it on a map so, instead of reacting, just shrugs and eats a taco.

Also, it is a good educational video if it ever comes to the point where we do actually have to fight for our country against the Trump cabal.

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by Anonymousreply 86February 4, 2017 6:09 AM

I would not worry about the war.

by Anonymousreply 87February 4, 2017 12:36 PM

I'm anticipating that taxis will overcharge me, like they do everywhere, including Vegas before Lyft. Nickel and dimed. It's not about the money. They don't have Uber in Ukraine... So many annoying things about traveling.

Just anticipating the feckless cheating is making me want to stay home. Yeah, people are trying to make a living, but... It's overcast today in LA and I'm in a bad mood.

by Anonymousreply 88February 4, 2017 6:14 PM

Just take taxis to and from the airport and use the trams & trolleys around the city if you need to. I would imagine the city center is compact enough that you can see a lot of it on foot anyway. And the tram is sure to be dirt cheap.

by Anonymousreply 89February 4, 2017 9:40 PM

The city is compact. If you stay downtown you will be able to walk pretty much everywhere. You will be overcharged but it will be peanuts, maybe $5. You can bargain, though taxis are metered so that won't be an issue.

by Anonymousreply 90February 4, 2017 9:56 PM

Afar magazine should have some good articles.

by Anonymousreply 91February 7, 2017 4:44 AM

I would avoid it...go to Hawaii

by Anonymousreply 92February 7, 2017 5:44 AM

Bump

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by Anonymousreply 93March 23, 2021 5:25 AM

Look at the guy second to the left with the blue backpack. Cute.

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by Anonymousreply 94March 23, 2021 5:31 AM

Proud Ukrainian.

He lives in Dubai.

Dubai. You know that that means.

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by Anonymousreply 95July 30, 2021 5:28 AM

Nice.

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by Anonymousreply 96July 30, 2021 5:34 AM
by Anonymousreply 97August 3, 2021 5:32 PM

I like the white shirt guy on the left better, R94.

by Anonymousreply 98August 3, 2021 5:37 PM

They're a very attractive people.

by Anonymousreply 99August 3, 2021 6:25 PM

They hate us almost as much as the Russians and the Poles.

Danger, Will Robinson.

by Anonymousreply 100August 4, 2021 4:26 AM

R100, they hate Americans? Also, I thought they like the Poles.

by Anonymousreply 101August 4, 2021 4:29 AM

Czechia is better.

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by Anonymousreply 102August 5, 2021 9:39 PM
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