When George Michael's Mother died, he began his death spiral

[quote]As a gay man I COMPLETELY agree, so no more me being set.reminds me of that

Excuse me?

Damn I hit the wrong button too fast, so who else had a death reminiscent of George and Alexander's when their Mom passed?

IT must be so sad to be orphaned at 34.

[quote]Damn I hit the wrong button too fast, so who else had a death reminiscent of George and Alexander's when their Mom passed?

Billy Mackenzie did. And much like George whose grandfather and uncle killed themselves, tragedy and depression seem to run in his family.

I know a lot of people think George Michael was hot as a young man, but IMO, there was something really skeevy and gross about him even then.

cute as a kid

All kids are cute. That is their role is life.

That's George Michael as a kid, R6? Hmm - looks like his English genes are winning handily there. His Greek genes would make up some of the distance later.

Benjamin Hendrickson who played Hal on As The World Turns shot himself after a few years of grief over his mothers death

Thanks for your contribution R5. I'm sure that you're a peach.

R6 Haha serious gay face. Destined to suck cocks in Weho. And throw herself out of moving vehicles. Mary! Mary! Mary!

Just found this thread. I agree George falls into the category of slow suicide triggered by his mother's death. Everyone who knew him seems to hold this same observation. George & his mum were connected in such a way that once she was gone he was unable to cope. In one interview he said he lost all his faith after she died. That's rough and only has me feeling compassion towards him.

[Quote] a bitch called Hippy

That's how I used to refer to Karen Carpenter.

A man needs his momma.

This could be and George said it was but George said a lot of stuff and most of it was bullshit. George was a drunk and a druggie from a very young age. That will make you spiral.

How come it took him so long to spiral?

Ain't that the truth R14?

His love of hard drugs, sex in the bushes and nonstop thieving whores caused his death spiral. Plus he was a musician who refused to do any press or videos or performing but wanted his genius recognized. Odd guy. Quite sweet and oddly articulate about the pains and challenges and PRIDE of gay life. I liked him, but not many gay men are built for long term happiness. It's all over after 45 until you made it to the next plateau. George didn't even try.

OMG, my heart goes out! No one ever lost a mother before he did!

And he was a mere 33 years old when she died -- he was a mere child, incapable of taking care of himself at that age!!!

I've noticed in reading about various people over the years (all the creative types) that it takes about twenty years for the downward spiral to finally end in death. A few examples are Truman Capote, Elvis & Prince. Elvis couldn't cope with his mother's death either, but what Elvis & Gladys had was more than borderline sick between mother and son. I don't see that with George and am determined to use my snowed in days this winter as a time to try and unravel George's life. There was an actor who died not long ago named Kristoff St John. He was on one of the soap operas and lost a son to suicide. He couldn't cope with his grief and while it didn't take twenty years he died by what all who knew him said was death from a broken heart. It's been happening to people throughout the ages. Karen Carpenter is another very sad example of a person who couldn't cope. In her case it was the pain of not having her mother's love. Just think had she lived a full life what beautiful music she could have gone on to record. She had a voice like no other on the female side.

^^^Kanye, this is your future.

We are all waiting for 2027 with our fingers crossed.

Actually, it depends on how close one is with their mother. If she was his best friend, then of course her death ruined his world. Most of you catty queens hate your mothers so you couldn't possibly relate.

But that's more than "best friend." Look at that Fadi guy with whom he took up. GM's development was clearly arrested.

A 34 year old should be able to bounce back from a parents death regardless of how close you were. It sounds like he had some very serious issues with attachment and honestly as a millionaire, it's on him for not getting help for that.

Honestly, if I was rich I would hire a shrink to be on call 24/7. No more crying alone on the office toilet for me. No siree!

I don't think the suicide of both George's uncle and grandfather can be underestimated in what the family dynamic was. It seems George & his mum had a very protective relationship. Leslie was always fearful of George perhaps being gay and therefore she associated it with her brother's inability to live a happy life. It sounds like George grew up knowing there was something vulnerable where his mom was concerned but not fully understanding it until she told him the family history in full. It could not have been easy to lose both a brother & father to suicide. It sounds like George's father was very strict and didn't relate to him the way his mom did. The fact that she supported him in his music must have meant a great deal. His father apparently thought it was all nonsense and just wanted George to get his head out of the clouds and find a real job. I'm sure after so many millions started rolling in he had a change of heart somewhere along the line.

Parsons pretty much lays it out when he says he only saw the other members of GM's family at events, parties etc., never at George's house.

People lose mothers who are their best friends, and spouses who are their best friends all the time.

And they survive.

Recognizing that doesn't mean I hate my mother. It means I am an adult.

It is so like DL to argue you either must be unhealthily obsessed with your mother, or hate her. No other options!

I lost my Dad at 21 and my Mom at 34.My Dad was my best friend. It does do a number on you. I doubt losing Mom is the only reason for his demise .. It's so complex. He was a really beautiful and creative soul, the drugs and partying, and unsavory types he got mixed up with is likely a bigger factor. I still miss him! I saw him in 2008 on his 25 Live tour, one of the best shows ever.

R20 Agreed. Re: Gladys and Elvis AKA Satin and baby talk at 20

If your grown child goes into a downward spiral after your death... it means you've failed as a parent.

Part of being a parent is teaching your child to be able to live without you, financially, socially, and emotionally. I mean not completely without you, just doing whatever you can to keep them from being dependent on you as an adult. Grownups need to be able to leave the nest, to form other relationships, and if nature takes its usual course, to go on after you're gone.

Some parents can't resist the temptation to enmesh with the child to an unhealthy degree, to never let them go. Sure, a person may love their children with all their hearts, but to keep the umbilical cord on well into adulthood is more an expression of selfishness than love. It's a bad thing to do to anyone under any circumstances, but it's worst of all if you die young.

R30 Exactly. If this is true, this is what family psychology calls enmeshment. A parents job can be summed up as ensuring your child thrives whether you are here or not. That's it. If a wealthy adult falls apart solely because you died, you failed at half your job.

I miss my mom.

I have no idea what this is about.

Kanye ensconced himself in the bossom of Satan's minions. His mother must be spinning in her grave at who he replaced her with.

Didn't his mother die on a plastic surget quest? It sounds like his wife and mother were birds of a feather...

I read the Enmeshment information. It said the child may lose their ability for self direction which is one thing that didn't happen to George. He knew he wanted a life in music and pursued his goal even with a father trying to discourage him. I haven't read anything concerning Leslie that portrays her as being the type of parent described in the literature on this family dysfunction. However, it's possible this accounts for what happened to George after his mom passed.

On a side note, does anyone know something about a time when George was planning or had music up on a site for people to download and then donate to charity? I saw a video interview that I unfortunately didn't bookmark where George said he would be so honored if people purchased his music in this way as it would benefit others in need. He seemed to be thinking of going more public with his philanthropy. Something apparently didn't go as planned because he said people didn't donate to charity. I can't find any further info on anything in this area.

Did he have that idea after the "Older" album when no one was all that enthusiastic about new music from him? The quality of his output went way down.

I'm not sure what the time frame was on this charity idea for downloading music. George is my wintertime project now so I'm going to go through all the interviews he gave that are up on YT and this time bookmark the ones of interest. As I recall one interview was on a Denmark outlet. It's in that one George said on the backside of his mom's death he became so appreciative of what he has as a privileged man. It's what gave him this charity idea in exchange for downloading his music. It's in that interview he said the infamous "toilet incident" would not have happened if his mother had been alive. He said something on a sub-conscious level would have stopped him from doing such a stupid and self destructive act. It's also in this interview where he said he lost all his faith after his mom passed. He said he just lived in fear of death and of the next bereavement. I think his mom's death triggered multiple issues for him with one thing piling on top another. This charity issue must have been a disappointment to him.

The whole thing reminded me of the late Paul Newman who was also a philanthropist. His "Newman's Own" salad dressing line has pumped multiple millions into charities around the world. He had the "Hole in the Wall Gang" set up for kids with cancer which is still operating today. Newman didn't go around bragging about this side of his life, but he wasn't doing it in secret like George either. He wanted to develop business models so other people would hopefully follow behind him. What George might have done in this area had he lived is just another thing to ponder. Usually when folks start living the life of drugs, sex and booze that's all they are thinking about. George seems to have never lost his desire to help other people which only adds to the unfortunate loss of his life and talent.

[Quote] It's in that interview he said the infamous "toilet incident" would not have happened if his mother had been alive. He said something on a sub-conscious level would have stopped him from doing such a stupid and self destructive act

That truly sounds like he never grew up. "If Mom's not around, I'm a bad, bad boy." I have never been aroused at the thought of doing anything in a toliet, but it's pretty banal, really. He flashed his dick or whatever. Silly, but in and of itself, hardly self destructive. Maybe Elton was right and GM had the old narratives of "gay disgrace" uppermost in his mind when it came to his homosexuality.

I think Elton was right in his recent comments that were not well received by many people. Folks can say many things, but it's what they do that tells the story. George's actions bare out Elton's observation in my view. George was so young when fame came to him. Once it did he was living to his image and many will succumb to confusing that with who they really are. I don't think George fell into that trap as it seems to have bothered him portraying himself as something he clearly wasn't. The early fame could be responsible at least, in part, for his inability to mature into a healthy adult.

I'm pretty sure this will be me. I won't be able to handle my mothers death, I already know it. I plan to check out of life and ..

My own mother is in Hospice care right now at age 95. I expect this is why I have interest in George's life at this point in my own. I had my mom in one of those nursing homes for a month after she had surgery. It was a nightmare as I had to place her a good distance from where I live as our local facilities were completely full at the time. I drove to see my mom an hour each way every day because I had to put her in a poor facility. It was just awful and every night when I got home I never turned the TV on. I wanted to listen to music and something calming. My two artists of choice every night were Bill Evans and George. They gave me comfort during a difficult time. Evans was dead at age 50 by what is considered the longest slow suicide in jazz history. George was a wonderful artist who was able to express emotions like no one else. What passes for talent today is a joke with only a few exceptions. Sad all the way around.

I do remember the music download for charity, it was a song where autotune was used, which he didn't need. The song was True Faith, and it was for Comic Relief.

I feel for him.

Thanks for that info. I didn't know it was the "True Faith" song involved. I like the song but agree that George was the last person whose voice needed auto-tune or other alterations. He did it with his voice in the new song just released to go along with that Christmas movie. I don't know why he wanted to do this. Some sort of twisted act to try and erase himself somehow. Just strange.

I think the death from AIDS of his partner Anselmo Feleppa, whom he really loved, must have really damaged George, but he was so deep in the closet at the time and for years afterwards, that he had to keep it a secret and couldn't talk about it. Not to mention the public reactions to AIDS and gay men back in 1993 when Anselmo died. Horrific.

R38 So impressed that you plan to spend your winter deep diving into the mystery that is George Michael. George was a lot of things but I would love to have back the version of the man who went on Hard Talk and spoke so fiercely about not assisting George Bush on his decision to invade Iraq. He was right and almost the only celebrity who spoke out at the time. The interview is fantastic and he spoke so eloquently. I wish he was here to go toe to toe with Trump on Twitter. He would have. He predicted Trump would win.

It must have been awful for George not having his family know about Anselmo especially while he was sick. I know George told of Christmas dinner at his parents where they don't know anything about this, but George had a dying partner and not knowing for a time if he also had HIV. Just an awful situation for anyone. I'm always struck by how George talked of how wonderful sex was with Anselmo and not speaking of the act itself but the fact that love was associated with it. It's a stark contrast to the later years of escorts and fixation on meaningless sex.

(R47) I loved the George on "Hard Talk" too. George was an intelligent man and very well spoken. We don't have a lot of that now days, especially in the Trump era.

Keep an open mind. Because this is a beautiful cover of One More Try. Gorgeous singing. George had a longing soul. He also had some profound truths to tell about coming out based on finding love. But he didn't advance much beyond that. He didn't make it over the bridge.

I think Lambert is the first to say he isn't trying to be either Freddie or George, but it doesn't take anything away from the fact he is very talented in his own right. It's a good cover. I always have to go back in time with both Freddie & George and remind myself what HIV/AIDS was like during the time they lived in their young days.

Good cover. Dude can bring it.

R32 I feel you. It has especially hard during the holidays but I try to be happy.

Love to all fellow souls having a hard time. 💕

I miss my parents a lot. It really forces you to grow up in ways that cannot be anticipated. Like a sadder, starker way. No one loves/knows you like your Mama!

I do feel they are still with us, in another form, more subtle but sometimes when I'm still, I get the message.

I know a bit corny, but the holidays can be very hard.

There was also a time after his battle with Sony when he said he wasn’t going to release any music through the label anymore—just music for free to download on his website or something to that effect. I think it was all talk just to piss off Sony.

Kanye West started his downhill slide when his mother died, and it's progressing well.

So it takes twenty years for the slide to end in death, you say? How long does that give him?

R56. You are disgusting.

People said that about Kanye. And Norman Bates.

If an adult is that crippled by a parent’s death, the parent has failed. You raise your children with the intent that they are a separate person who will be able to function In the works (and hopefully thrive) without you.

I feel sorry for anyone whose self is so dependent on another person. What a terrible predicament.

^ function in the world.

And I’m not talking about children or teens, or handicapped people.

Y’know I think women who have 3 children or less really do need to have a job or other interests outside the home. Ideally once the kids are into their teens mom would have both a job and hobbies and a social life. It seems to me that the pressure on women to be there every waking minute of the child’s life while she sacrifices her own career, friends, hobbies, even her marriage is setting both mom and child up for an unhealthy attachment.

I used to work a government job. It was an open lab office of about 80 women and 3 men plus the bosses (all male). Most of these women were middle aged and their kids leaving the nest had done a number of them. I gradually learned that outside of that job they had nothing except the kids. Their marriages were unfulfilling, they didn’t have any friends to do things with, they had no interests. It was very sad to see these women talk about waiting for their kids to call or text. Some of them were conflicted (which I’m sure had an effect on the kid) in that they wanted the kid to be successful in life but they also didn’t want him to move away.

I was raised working class so the women in my family worked. My grandmothers did not buy they had 14 and 8 kids respectively. I had one aunt who married up and stayed home with 2 kids. Sure enough, when they left for college she had a total breakdown. She did it from the kids at the time but she was laying in bed everyday until 3pm, drinking all evening and had lost the will to live. She did have some therapy and was eating Valium by the handful for years.

One of my friends decided to quit her job when her daughter was 14 so she could be here for her everyday. She felt that having exams and a boyfriend meant mom was needed 24/7. I thought it was a terrible idea and that the girl needed the freedom to stand on her own two feet even if she failed or messed up a few times. Now, mom is still out of work and the daughter is 22 and still living home doing nothing. Mom says I can’t go back to work because she’s not sorted into a job and relationship so she stays home cooking and pandering to her daughter and the cycle continues. She’s terrified of an empty nest so she secretly likes having a codependent daughter imo.

George Michael was an insecure man. Actually he had been insecure from the time he was a child. There are many factors that caused his insecurities. Starting with being a chubby boy, unruly curly hair, coke bottle glasses and having a Greek father set in his ways.. Also, his struggles with his sexual identity and living in the 80’s. You have to remember being gay in the 80’s certainly wasn’t the same as in today’s era. It just so happens he was born with God given talent that put him in the the spotlight. I believe his mother understood him inside out and was the stabilizing factor in his life. He had trust issues but not with his mother. She was his biggest fan regardless if he did dishes at his father’s restaurant or was a big time pop star. She saw George for who he was. Talented, had a soft spot for those in need and in her heart she knew he was gay and different for a very long time. After all she was his mother. She provided the love and acceptance his father was unable too. He went from being a homely little boy to being a very attractive sex symbol to lots girls and boys. When Wham! disbanded he lost his security blanket, Andrew and after his mother passed he felt more alone than ever. I believe had his mother lived he would have had more control of his demons. You can’t change what is inside of you but you can learn to deal. George’s mother was so much more than just his mother. She was his rock and kept him grounded. All the money and fame in the world couldn’t overcome the insecurities that haunted George throughout his lifetime. Maybe had his mother lived and he was born in a time when sexual preference wasn’t such a big deal George just might have been a healthier stabilized man that could have handle whatever came his way including his Greek father. I guess we will never really know. However, none of this takes away from the musician and philanthropist he became. Some of his music is as relevant today as it was back in the day.

For most of the world, our mothers are our rock. George wasn't around his family much after he became famous. Even when he was with Anselmo he said he never called his parents. In song he sings he references being mean to Anselmo and I think he distanced himself from him when he was diagnosed. Didn't want him in LA where it could be found out. George has his own narrative. His excuses were due to drugs. It's hard to get clean when you're that far in but I don't think he wanted to either.

I believe the reason George didn't follow through on downloading his music, is because the new record deal with the new company bought out his Sony contract and it was then a moot point, but it's just a guess.

Well my mom died when I was 13 years old. So I guess the last 42 years I've just been past my shelf life. :)

R61. Is making too much excuses for why his life turned out the way it did. R62 is right, it was an excuse to explain away his demons and drug addictions.

He should have married Geri Halliwell.

(R60) You make some good points, but as far as I understand George's mother worked outside the home. One place was a fish shop that she hated because she couldn't wash the fish odor from her hands. Both parents are described as being exhausted from working so much. It seems to have been expected of George that he do something with his life so he wasn't coddled in that regard either.

(R61) I agree with everything you've written. You've said it much better than I ever could.

R61, very good comment.

r64, I’m sorry for your loss. That can change a person, that’s too young to lose a parent. I’m talking about grown adults who are codependent with a parent. That’s sad.

From what I have read, George always looked to some kind of “savior” to make him feel emotionally OK/safe - or to pick him up when things got too messy. This started with his mom, then Anselmo, then Kenny, to whom he dedicated this song. But George got so decadent and out of control with his sex and drug addiction that ultimately no one could save him, and he destroyed himself. That’s why he ended up with a male prostitute as a boyfriend.—someone who provided the companionship he needed, but didn’t interfere with his self-destructive lifestyle. Such a tragedy, but ultimately one of George’s own making.

“Yesterday it seemed my life was colder than December All alone I watched the eagles fly Even the light seemed to have changed In the Californian sky Through all of those battles then you came Stepped out of the fading light Said, "Baby I'm American, dry your eyes again, Because I'm here to save your life"

He just could never get over this. He died of embarrassment.

Own your own behaviour. Fingers are useful for things other than pointing them at others.

^ says the pointer

(R70) I agree with everything you've stated. The one song that always stands out to me is "Through." In that song George acknowledges everything in his life is of his own making and no blame elsewhere. The one line that I'll always wonder about is "suddenly the audience is so cruel." I don't think he pulled that out of thin air. In some of the clips I've seen of his live performances there is too much noise and screaming during times he is talking about either Anselmo or his mom. I wonder if that is what he was thinking of when he wrote it. We'll just never know.

The Swiss psychologist Carl Jung did quite a bit of writing on people born with what he called "the gift of creative fire." I can't help but read it and think how true it sounds in relation to George's life. I was also reading on Google books one bio called "Careless Whispers" written by Robert Steele. I knew George had foot the bill for IVF treatment to a woman he saw on a TV show. I didn't know there was a second woman he also did the same for. Kenny is quoted as saying part of George wanted to have a child. Perhaps that is why he wanted to help these other people fulfill that goal.

What R22 said.

Your mother is the one person who will love you unconditionally - that may not be the case with some of you, but for most people, that is the case. No doubt with all of the fame, came phonies and moochers. His mother was the only one who he knew he could trust more than any other. When that person is gone, of course it does a number on you.

Maybe while George's mother was alive he saw himself through her eyes instead of his own which is what he was finally forced to do after she died.

Wendy Leigh's death was sad . . .

Lets remember George on this special day. RIP.

If he hadn't lost his creative spark, I wonder if he'd still be here.

The new 4K of Last Christmas is gorgeous!

R79. If he had seek appropriate therapy he will still be here. He probably needed intense psychological counseling.

"You can't be a good husband if you're a mama's boy".

So true.

R41 is married to his mom.

It doesn't seem like it's three years already since we lost him. He should still be here writing and singing beautiful music. I don't know if I think George was a true "mamma's boy" or if it was a connection with his mum that was just on a different level from most. One thing for sure is the gift of creative fire seems to always come at a price. George just didn't seem to have the tools needed to cope with the events in his life. Drugs were certainly part of the problem as he got started on that in the young days already. I miss his voice and the fact that we'll never have anything new from him again. I guess RIP is all anyone can say at this point.

(R79) Yes, I think he might still be here if that had not happened.

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My mom just died so I now know the path George traveled. People can mock my post and say to grow up, have closure & move on. I'll miss my mom ten years from now as much as I do right now. I'll always have a soft spot for George in spite of his flaws.

This is the story of a lot of gay guys, including myself. When my mom dies I really won’t be well off.

Have you thought of marrying well?

I bet Geri Halliwell would have done her damnedest to replace his mother.

NEW RULE: If someone's death spiral takes more than 20 years, it can't be called a death spiral.

This is entertainment journalism clickbait and psychology. I'm sure her death was devastating for him though.

My mother died when I was 18 and my (shithead) father when I was 20.

I did death spiral for 20 years. Depression, drugs, job instability, drama.

But I climbed out. Am not wealthy but I am stable, with a good partner and friends.

I will always have a non judgmental soft spot for George Michael.

Nah, GM sings in American Angel that Kenny saved him from his post mom's death depression. He had plenty of life left in him.

R92 Yes it's a non-judgmental soft spot for George. It does well to think of that old saying about walking in someone else's shoes before you speak. As people we are all different. What one person can take in stride another can be completely devastated by. I know that from now until the day I die I will miss my mom more than I can say. She actually died on her birthday. I knew it was coming and thought I was preparing myself for it. What a joke. Once it happened I realized that nothing could have prepared me for what this pain is.

My grandma told me that your parents' deaths hurt much more if you don't have your own children to comfort you and focus on and I think she was right.

The first time I saw him, I thought he was the hottest man on Earth. And then he got older and like all the Mediterranean, he aged very badly. But his voice was something!

[quote] I told you guys George Michael never recovered from his Mother's death.

Oh WHY in the name of the gods did we not listen to you, Anonymous? You're always right!!

George never recovered from childbirth.

Like what fashion designer?

R96 I think drugs & smoking aged George the most. You can't poison your body the way he did and not pay a price. Oddly, no matter how he abused his body it never affected his voice. You can hear it on Sinatra that his older voice lost the quality he had as a young man. He knew it himself and would stop smoking six weeks before a big concert. It still had an impact though. I can hear it on Bobby Darin as well. It always surprises me how many singers smoke. You would think they would do everything possible to protect their voice.

Why do gay men have such unnatural relationships with their mothers?

Sometimes I think there are so many awful, abusive or non-existent parental relationships that the idea of someone really loving their mom somehow gets viewed as abnormal. I don't see anything "unnatural" in George's relationship to his mother. He has said she was a great mom and supported him. People just react to loss differently. George was just one of those people who wasn't going to experience this current thinking of fast acceptance of a loss followed by "moving on." I can think of three people who are in that same group: RIck Springfield on the loss of both parents but especially his father, Carroll O'Connor on his son's suicide and then Steve Perry losing a woman he loved to cancer.

I agree and think George just really loved his mom. George was a depressive personality and as such these folks have a harder time with grief and loss. He wasn't helping himself any with the drug use. All that did was keep him in a downward cycle. Anyway it's all water under the bridge now. Nothing will ever bring him, or his talent back to us.

George’s death spiral began when he realized he was gay. The 80’s certainly weren’t a time to be a gay, very talented musically and have a voice that could be full of soul (a perfect example is Killer and Papa was a Rolling Stone) soft and romantic as well as singing any genre he so desired. People born with his talent seem to be socially inept for example Michael Jackson, Michael Hutchence, Whitney Houston, Jimmy Ruffin, Amy Winehouse, etc. George struggled with his sexuality, the loss of Anselmo and his mother. Nothing ever seemed to fill the void for him. All the talent and money in the world couldn’t bring happiness, love and peace to the man. Truly a loss for his fans.

R104 I agree with you. These people who are born very gifted either in music, writing, composing or artwork all seem to have it come at the expense of something else in their personality. One of the biggest misconceptions about George is that he was fine with being gay. It just isn't true, which is most unfortunate.

His grave finally has a headstone five years later.

R106 I saw that too and am glad both George & his sister have gravestones now.

So he was a Data Lounger?

You mama's boys and your Mothers.

r104 um even up to 2006 he was talking about how much he liked fucking women and that he was bi - just that he was living a 'gay life' now and so wasn't going out of his way to.

R109 what the hell are you talking about? What the poster stated has nothing to do with George allegedly having sex with women. You just wanted to troll with that nonsense topic by derailing the discussion into something else entirely.

I remember some time after Wham broke up that Geo announced he was married and going to Greece to make babies. What happened to her? Then later he's getting arrested in the toilet?? JMO Mummy's death was another excuse to obliterate himself with drugs, but his depressed spiral started long before that.