Mamie Eisenhower was indeed a bitch

Didn't she drag Jackie mercilessly around the White Hose on a tour while Jackie was pregnant, exhausting her to the point where Ike put a stop to it?

How could I possible be that "b" word? I was America's favorite grandmother. Just look at my smile.

Pat and Dick never thought I was a bitch.

“Oh, dear,” Mamie replied...

Miz Mamie needs to join Datalounge immediatemente!

So if Hillary wins, will Michelle have to give Bill the household tour? Or maybe they can just abolish it now.

[quote] Didn't she drag Jackie mercilessly around the White Hose on a tour while Jackie was pregnant, exhausting her to the point where Ike put a stop to it?

I think it was right after she'd lost a baby.

R6 Actually, this report says that it was right after she'd given birth to JFK, Jr. And his birth date (11-25-60) matches up to the post-election period.

Jackie was reportedly offered a wheelchair, which she declined.

R5 you can probably skip it when the new first spouse has lived there before.

[quote] Jackie was reportedly offered a wheelchair, which she declined.

Because she had recently had a Caesarian section for JFK Jr., Jackie's doctor requested that a wheelchair be made available for her. Mamie wanted to take Jackie around the White House alone and there was no way in hell Mamie would be pushing Jackie in a wheelchair, so the wheelchair was sitting out of sight. It was there if Jackie ASKED for it, but Jackie was too intimidated by Mamie to ask, so it remained unused. The tour was so exhausting that Jackie was bedridden for a couple of weeks after. Jackie was never offered the wheelchair.

R3: Oh yes, Pat did!

When Lou Hoover took Eleanor Roosevelt on tour of the White House she stopped short of the kitchen. When Eleanor specifically asked to inspect the kitchen, Mrs. Hoover sniffed, "I NEVER go into the kitchen." and summoned the housekeeper to accompany Eleanor for the rest of the tour. When Eleanor saw the kitchen she was aghast as nothing had been updated for over 20 years. Sensitive to working conditions of the White House servants, Eleanor insisted the kitchen and staff areas were modernized before the Roosevelt's personal rooms upstairs were redecorated.

[quote]Jackie was reportedly offered a wheelchair, which she declined.

R7, read the story. She was famously NOT offered a wheelchair, despite an aide calling ahead and explaining that she was under doctor's orders to use a wheelchair. Mamie had a wheelchair hidden out of sight and pointedly did not offer it to Jackie.

Do not be bad-mouthin' my woman!

Did Jackie try to climb over the back of the wheelchair until Clint Hill ran up and grabbed her and sat her back down?

So did Mamie not attend college?

Stupid ass Jackie should have just said she just had a caesarean and wasn't feeling well. That woman was a pathetic masochist putting up with all kinds of shit and all her husband's marital affairs. Who would be intimidated by the grand motherly Mamie???

Mamie was a General's wife. They are all bitches. And used to be being boss of anyone within 5 miles of their presence.

Why is no one mentioning that horrible wig on the lady's head?

[quote]Sensitive to working conditions of the White House servants, Eleanor insisted the kitchen and staff areas were modernized before the Roosevelt's personal rooms upstairs were redecorated.

Which was very good of Eleanor. Her housekeeper Henrietta Nesbitt reported, however, that after the kitchen was fully refurbished with modern electrical appliances, the stubborn staff continued to use the outmoded old equipment that they had grown accustomed to. Mrs. Nesbitt's recorded her horror upon first inspecting the kitchens and discovering that not only were they not modern, they were not even sanitary. Eating out of a dirty kitchen served Mrs. Hoover jut right as she was too indifferent to ever inspect it.

Ike hated her. And he rubbed her nasty little pug nose in it by making sure his affairs got back to her. That's why she stayed in bed drunk, in the room they didn't share.

Favorite Golden Girls moment -

Blanche: My mammy's comin' to visit me! Dorothy: (Bea Arthur stare down) I don't think I've ever known a Mammy... Rose: Not even Mrs. Eisenhower? Dorothy: Mammy Eisenhower... You know, Rose, I think only the Nixon kids got to call her that.

Rosalynn Carter was giving some subtle shade in that article:

[quote]“I’m not sure we would call the relationship among first ladies a sisterhood,” says Rosalynn Carter. “We all know we have a lot in common, though.”

In other words: "None of us really like each other and avoid each other as much as possible. What we do have in common, though, is that we all hate that cunt Barbara."

The Carters are such holier-than-thou, lecturing cold fishes. It's no wonder their counterparts don't like them. It tells one a lot that it was Nixon who brought Ford and Carter together after their brutal campaigns. They became friends after that.

I liked when Al Jolson would get down on one knee and sing about her, in blackface of course.

[quote]Mamie Eisenhower was indeed a bitch

Was this ever in dispute?

[quote] Didn't she drag Jackie mercilessly around the White Hose on a tour while Jackie was pregnant, exhausting her to the point where Ike put a stop to it?

MARY! Didn't that sadist realize that pregnant women are dainty fragile creatures who might suddenly ABORT if they walk around houses?

[quote] It was there if Jackie ASKED for it, but Jackie was too intimidated by Mamie to ask,

What a pussy!

Hey kids! Look up CUNT in the dictionary. I'm sure you'll see my picture there!

A lot of people in the 50s and 60s were like that

I hate that

Our epic Mamie Eisenhower thread from last year provided many examples of what a bitch she was. Also, her frumpy tastes.

The WH kitchen before the Roosevelt remodel. They were still using equipment from the Taft administration.

Yep but I and my brother have signed letters from Ike and Mamie congratulating our parents on our births, welcoming us to this world etc during President Eisenwower's terms of office. Did I forget to mention that my parents worked in presidential offices?

[quote]Hey kids! Look up CUNT in the dictionary. I'm sure you'll see my picture there!

Only in editions published before 1990.

R3. Ike was always leery of Nixon but Pat loved him and campaigned like gangbusters for him in 68 and 72.

R35. Meant to say Mamie loved him and ...

Hey, all you dictionary-readers ... where the fuck do *I* fit it?!? Hrumph!

Mamie would have been so jealous of Nancy's helmet.

To this day, Lou Hoover is the only First Lady who ever appeared on the cover of Dowager Quarterly.

Mamie had a special shade of pink made just for her aptly called "Mamie Pink." Nancy Reagan remembered this darling little detail and had "Nancy Reagan Red" named for her. Both of them were such lovely cunts.

[quote] To this day, Lou Hoover is the only First Lady who ever appeared on the cover of Dowager Quarterly.

Still one Guinea!

I never missed reading an issue of DQ.

The story I read about the tour described Ike noticing Jackie's exhaustion, and ordering Mamie to stop the tour. At least Ike wore the pants in that marriage.

The Mamie thread on this site included a menu from some function she held. One thing on the menu was fairy toast.

Mamie was lucky she lived in an era when good teeth weren't required. The only thing you needed was "Fire and Ice" red lipstick that came off on your yellowed, separated teeth.

[quote] One thing on the menu was fairy toast.

I'm going to be toasted?

Never heard a version where Ike intervened during the tour. The story I always heard was that Jackie suffered through it and that Mamie seemed to delight in making her walk an overly long and unnecessarily detailed tour, and that when it was over, someone (maybe Ike) had heard what happened and confronted Mamie, who, when asked why she didn't offer Mrs. Kennedy the wheelchair, just shrugged and said "She never asked for it." This is a woman recovering from a c-section (probably still a pretty barbaric procedure in 1960) who was under doctor's orders not to be on her feet. She was in visible pain, you can even see it in her tight smile in the photo above.

Mamie was a horrific cunt. I don't care what your politics are or how you feel about Ike or the Kennedys, what Mamie Eisenhower did the Jackie Kennedy is some really sick, twisted cuntery.

Say what you will, but Mamie's recipe for her "Million-Dollar Fudge," published in magazines in the 1950s, is to DIE for! Seriously. My dad ate too much of it one Christmas and had a heart attack a day or two later.

r47 OMG I hadn't thought about that fudge in forty years. My mother and every woman on the block made that damn fudge and raved about it.

Wasn't it made with Hershey's chocolate? I'm sure everyone thought that was the height of sophistication and American ingenuity in 1953, but modern palates are a bit more discerning. I can't imagine it's actually good fudge compared to recipes widely available today that use higher quality chocolate.

Mamie's fudge recipe was much better than Danny Thomas's.

Ask and ye shall receive. Just make sure you put your cardiologist's number on speed dial...

Recipe at link.

In Mamie's day, most girls didn't go to college, they got married straight out of high school. Hell, most colleges didn't even accept women, if girls went to college at all it was typically not to a serious academic institution but a teachers' college, where they were trained for one of the few non-menial jobs open to women.

Jackie went to Vassar and did a year at the Sorbonne, which must have sent Mamie into fits of jealousy, after all the nights she'd spent in gin and regret, wishing she'd done something, ANYTHING, other than marry Ike.

Was Bess Truman nasty to Mamie on her switchover tour in 1953?

Upper class women of the era often went to a finishing school, which enabled them to dabble in the arts and which were often near larger universities from which to target fraternity men and medical and law students. Stephens College in Columbia, Missouri is one such institution.

That little gal was never cut out for the White House. Jackie was a lighhtweight. She never had that hard core like me. She never learned to roll with the punches.

And in this business they come left, right and below the belt.

Mamie must have really loved it when Jackie went on tv and told the nation that basically The White House she moved into - was basically a shabby, dismal, horribly cared for, house. I bet there wasn't enough gin in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania that night.

[quote]So if Hillary wins, will Michelle have to give Bill the household tour?

This would ROCK!

For you classic film buffs, here's a still of Helen as the... somewhat glamorized version of Mamie in the largely forgotten I LIKED IKE!

Helen famously refused to cut bangs for the role, insisting "I can fucking act it."

[quote] Was Bess Truman nasty to Mamie on her switchover tour in 1953?

No. Bess had known Mamie slightly for a few years and really had no opinion on her. Also, Bess was quite happy to be leaving the White House. She had never enjoyed being First Lady Ike and Harry Truman loathed each other, however.

I LIKE IKE

IN HEAVEN WITH HELEN

R58, thank you for that Helen appearance.

Jackie had to have a c-section because she had a history of repeated infections of syphilis from Jack on several occasions as well as gonorrhea , the baby stood the risk of becoming infected during the birth due to contact with Jackie's infected blood if any of the bacteria remained in her system , it is quite common practice to insure a safe er birth for the baby. It is also done for mothers who have herpes as well. Repeated infections can also lead to very dangerous forms of cervical , ovarian, and uterine cancer, which Mrs Kennedy died from in May 1994

No wonder she pulled that gun out her purse , put it under Jack's chin and blew his head off, then handed off the gun to Secret Service Agent Hill.

Mamie created the modern day concepts of adults celebrating their birthday with a birthday party with cake & ice cream, until Mamie's birthday were publicly celebrated in the 1950's only children celebrated birthdays. The media covered all of Mamie's birthdays like a huge national event, which is why there are so many photos of her shoving cake in her pie hole. Mamie hated Nixon so much that one year she ORDERED the VicePresident to play Happy Birthday on the piano on stage and sing to her, which of course he did, much to the delight of Mamie and the shock of everyone else.

There is known footage , but here is a video of Nixon singing it top Duke Ellington

Mamie was a bit of a sadist.

I love all the stories about what a bitch Mamie Eisenhower was. The old thread was full of them.

I wonder if Jackie and Hillary ever met face to face? That would have been a fairly icey meetiong If the rumors about what Hillary did to JFK Jr, lucky Jackie died in 1994 and JFK Jr. wasn't added to the Clinton Body Count till 1999.

Still wait till they both meet up again in Hell.

Yes, Jackie met the Clintons. There are photos.

Jackie died of Non-Hodgkns Lymphoma, or so we were told...

Hillary wrote in her memoirs that she liked Jackie, and the few times they met were very pleasant.

And no glass coffee table to clean, R50!

Mamie's fudge is basically just the recipe on the jar of marshmellow cream.

She didn't wear a wig, she had difficult hair and a high hair line. She was famous for her ugly bangs, as well as her droopy tits.

Mamie became First Lady at age 56 and left at age 64.

Even women who forego plastic surgery, etc, tend to look better?

I read somewhere that she farted a lot. Has anyone else heard that?

I just remember reading she was always tipsy at White House events, at times almost falling down drunk. She blamed it on vertigo problems.

JB West said Mamie wasn't a drunk, but you could tell he liked Jackie better.

A cunt she may be R34, but her oatmeal is awesome.

[quote] Mamie's fudge recipe was much better than Danny

I love you, R50.

[quote]what Hillary did to JFK Jr

Which is what?

[quote]She was famous for her ugly bangs

There weren't no ugly bangs when she was with me ...

Mamie was the hostess with the mostest.

Here she and her posse are entertaining Marian Anderson at the White House in 1958.

I wonder if we could bring 1952 Mamie to 2016, hook her up with a sports bra, send her to a good hairstylist, and put her in some of, say, Kim Catrall's wardrobe, how she'd so.

[quote] how she'd so

Ummm, so so.

"how she'd so" = "how she'd do", but you are right -- so so.

For decdaes Mamie was the most-frequent customer at the State Store in Gettysburg.

My great grandmother was related to Jacqueline by marriage. My mother likes to tell the story of watching the 1960 Democratic National Convention on television with her parents and her mother making the off-hand comment -- oh, that's the cousin who went to Vassar. Apparently great-grandmother had made snide comments about Jackie for years.

[quote]Mamie must have really loved it when Jackie went on tv and told the nation that basically The White House she moved into - was basically a shabby, dismal, horribly cared for, house.

It's no secret that Jackie didn't like Mamie, and this was a subtle way of throwing shade. Jackie was much too well-bred to basically say "Mamie left this house a total shitbox, and I can't fucking stand it."

Jackie wasn't really that we'll bred if you read the other in depth Jackie threads here. No old money there. All a front and she was more Irish than anything

Jackie wasn't really that we'll bred if you read the other in depth Jackie threads here. No old money there. All a front and she was more Irish than anything

Was she S-T-A-U-N-C-H, R86?

Animals are bred, R86. Not people.

I wish this was sound footage instead of a photograph.

Was Mamie a transwoman?

She's saying, "We're gonna be Scissor Sisters!" r89

One of Mamie's BFF's and confidante was famed UPS toad-like reporter Helen Thomas, in a friendship that spanned decades and was all too close according to some wags.

"See the one over there Helen? A total slut, munches rug like she lived off nothing but hardwood all her life"

"Oh Mamie , you're terrible, tell me more!"

"Over that chubby looking one? Miss Pierce, ? She just married some social climbing sociopathic Yale man up north, a Mr Shrub, Hedge , some no-name like that. Well anyways her real father wasn't Mr Pierce at all, her mother was in Europe with that occultist Aleister Crowley , you know that English Satanist , well she id HIS spawn, the devil own daughter in debutante form! You keep your eye on that one.....she's pure EVIL, mark my words, Helen"

"Oh Mamie, the things you say....."

'Helen, hurry for christsakes Ike'll be here any minute'

'I'm trying Mamie , but this coral pink lipstick just won't budge'

'Never mind, just do up my bra and we'll say a flamingo shat on me, Ike knows I love pink'

'Oh Mamie, I know you love the pink too'

'Helen, don;t ya get my juices going now , there's no time

One wonders if Jackie was ever able to truly forgive Mamie about that wheelchair incident?

[quote]UPS toad-like reporter Helen Thomas

Spoken like a real Jew cackling over her grave.

We won't forget.

Mamie single handedly defended the White House from the zombie attack when a zombified Harry & Bessie Truman lead their army of the undead in 1957

R95, pardon me, but WTF are you on about?

Rare photo of Mamie publicly humiliating Nixon at her birthday party, is that Joan Crawford behind her? I wonder if they took turns slapping Nixon around afterwards?

Looks like Ethel Merman, Red Skelton and Lawrence Welk. Mamie is loving it, isn't she?

The ritual handing-off of the White House from one First Lady to another is just ripe for world-class cunting. I wish Ken Burns would make a documentary about it.

I'd hate to have Ted Cruz as president, but if (God forbid) it happened, wouldn't you want to be a fly on the wall as Michelle gave Heidi the White House tour?

DId Laura Stepford Bush walk Michelle Obama through the White House too?

She certainly did, R101.

Yes r101, but it was pretty low key and quiet -- no Mamie theatrics or cuntrungers

[quote]Mamie had a special shade of pink made just for her aptly called "Mamie Pink.

What? I took an existing color and the world named it for me. Now THAT is hardcore. Like me.

Are there really that many people here over 70? I don't understand why Mamie Eisenhower's time in the WH (1953-1961) could be an interesting topic to anyone under 70. And, if you are over 70, how on earth do you remember what happened when you were a kid? I don't remember anything Regan did because I was 5 years old.

I am not throwing shade on the elder queens, but these threads confuse me. Nobody ever answers when I ask, anyway. But I'll try one more time.

[quote] I don't remember anything Regan did because I was 5 years old.

Apparently you don't remember how to spell "Reagan" either.

[quote]DId Laura Stepford Bush walk Michelle Obama through the White House too?

Yes she did. And all the valuables were locked in the safe the whole time.

[quote]I don't remember anything Regan did because I was 5 years old.

What about Goneril? Do you remember what she did?

Fiction is different. I've just never seen quite an obsession with old shit like I have on this site. It is curious to me, that's all.

R88, whatever you say..

[quote]I am not throwing shade on the elder queens, but these threads confuse me. Nobody ever answers when I ask, anyway. But I'll try one more time.

Gay men are famous for loving antiques. Many of us like history and by-gone culture, perhaps in part because we were raised to view ourselves as not really belonging to the society we lived in. Gay people were much more ostracized in the 20th century than they are today. People under forty have no idea how much more repressive society was against gay people just a short time ago. Mamie Eisenhower is before my time too, but she is far more interesting to me than most modern celebs.

Yeah, i agree...that's probably why I watched that whole Jackie O tour of the white house that was posted here (I'm 36). It was kind of mesmerizing.... "and now...this is the treaty room...what we're hoping to do...in the treaty room...is to put copies of alllll the treaties up all along these walls - you see these walls here? yes, we'll put treaties here and there....yes, it'll be lovely"

[quote]I'd hate to have Ted Cruz as president, but if (God forbid) it happened, wouldn't you want to be a fly on the wall as Michelle gave Heidi the White House tour?

It would be worth it to see the pan of bubbling hot grease in the kitchen awaiting Heidi's face.

[quote]Animals are bred, [R86]. Not people. You're so cute, R88.

Nonsense, R52. Lots of girls went to college, although many fewer than go now or in the last few decades. In the 30's, for example, there were more women than men with Ph.D.s in math. But Ike wasn't born a general, so Mamie married him at some lower level and kept the home fires burning while he rose through the ranks.

For years there were rumors of her prodigious farting spells. Even Jackie noted the wallpaper in parts of the White House turned brown and started peeling from Mamie. Once during a state function, a young marine was in the direct line of her fart and passed out cold. He was rushed to Walter Reed and survived with only slight lung damage. Imagine what would have happened if Khrushchev was there? The world could have suffered a near apocalypse due to her anal gas.

[quote]Once during a state function, a young marine was in the direct line of her fart and passed out cold.

What was he doing? Getting ready to rim her?

r108 Goneril contracted the first dose of the clap, that's why they named it after her. Regan, and all that vomiting? Please!

Christ, what Stepford mother's didn't do this in the 50s!

Scotch recommends removing the child's head completely from it's body to prevent squirming during her haircut to insure perfectly straight Mamie bangs

Mamie married Ike in 1916, she was 19 years old, and had recently graduated from "finishing school".

Education for women took a great leap forward in the 1920s, when women began to attend genuine academic universities, not just finishing schools or teacher's colleges. Too late for Mamie, by then she was an army wife with two kiddies.

I think Mamie had one of the ugliest hairstyles ever. God, it was just atrocious.

She was just the epitome of a frau frump. If you look at pictures of Mamie, it's easy to understand why Jacqueline Kennedy caused such a sensation among the American public. After all those years of dowdy, hatchet-faced Mamie, here was this young, attractive and stylish woman. You can see why the public loved Jackie.

Mamie liked fudge and fairy toast

Jackie liked Cavafy and Andre Malraux

[quote]these threads confuse me.

From the sound of you, I'm sure a lot of things confuse you.

History interests some people. This is not unusual among people of intelligence or those who are educated.

Why do you think this confuses you?

R106, there are people in the world who are interested in history, straight and gay. We like to know about people, customs, art and politics from both the recent and long past. For me, it gives me a sense of community, a sense of being a part of human culture greater than myself. I have no religion, but, I have history to connect me to the world, to humans and to the universe. It's helpful to understand what has passed whether 60 or 6000 years ago. Humans repeat the same mistakes they've always made. Maybe by understanding those mistakes, we stand a chance of learning, developing, improving...beyond making phones more portable. I've never understood myopic people who aren't interested in knowing about the past. How can you intelligently navigate the present and future? Are those with no interest in anything from before their birth so arrogant and self-congratulatory as to believe nothing prior to their existence mattered?

Jackie was a greedy elitist snob. She was a self-serving, mercenary gold-digger. I don't know why so many folks from older generations put her up on a pedestal. The shine of Camelot has faded and the Kennedys have been exposed by more than one person for not living up to the myth that they created with the help of the media. That includes Jackie and that horrible, ugly sister of hers.

[quote]The shine of Camelot has faded and the Kennedys have been exposed by more than one person for not living up to the myth that they created with the help of the media.

And they were still a helluva lot better than any Republicans.

Bob Colacello, a confidant of Nancy Reagan, noted that of the First Ladies in attendance at her funeral, Michelle, Laura, Hillary and Rosalynn, Nancy liked only one of them. I think it was either Michelle or Hillary.

My wind smelt like Chanel No 5.

Jackie was an upper-class woman of her time and generation. She was going to marry rich men and be a socialite. I think she did a damn good job of living her life, given the circumstances she went through.

Caroline Kennedy allowed the release of Schlesinger's Conversations with Jackie. Which was odd because Jackie came off like a gossipy, dumb bitch.

Perhaps Carolyn harbors some well-concealed aggression towards her mother.

Caroline was afraid too much silence would result in Jackie being forgotten

Mamie was a cream puff...I pissed on her coffin and lit one of my farts over her rotting corpse for good measure...just like I did to that emaciated stick Nancy Reagan...nobody, I mean, NOBODY crosses Barbara Pierce Bush...

[quote]Who would be intimidated by the grand motherly Mamie???

Well, you were around then so why don't you tell us?

[quote]Scotch recommends removing the child's head completely from it's body to prevent squirming during her haircut to insure perfectly straight Mamie bangs

Of course, many boys used this techniques on their sisters' Barbies.

Jackie was an elitist, but Mamie was the kind of snob who drank martinis all day, wanted skirts and the drapes and claimed authorship of a fudge recipe that came from the marshmallow fudge jar. I think Jackie was classier.

[quote]nobody, I mean, NOBODY crosses Barbara Pierce Bush...

Yes Bar, we all know how you react to crosses, something you must have inherited from your biological father, no doubt.

Have fun down there in First Ladies Hell with Mary Todd Lincoln and Florence Harding, dear

Mamie adored Fairy Bread and served it all the time at the White House, even at official functions. Fairy Bread is buttered white bread with toppings such as sprinkles, honey, chocolate chips, etc. or combinations thereof. If the bread is toasted, it's called Fairy Toast. I suppose she reserved that for State Dinners.

And that bangs with sidepieces hairdo was created especially for her at Elizabeth Arden's New York salon. It became the rage with ladies of a certain age and social background in the 1950s. My grandmother had it when I was a little boy.

Fairy Bread sounds like white trash food. Can't believe that she served this to foreign dignataries.

The Roosevelts (FDR, not Teddy) served weenies to the King and Queen of England.

[quote]Fairy Bread sounds like white trash food. Can't believe that she served this to foreign dignitaries.

In the old thread, somebody posted Mamie's White House State Dinner menu, and fairy toast was on it. The entire menu looked like a church potluck in some flyover hell, totally embarrassing for that food to be served at the White House. As I wrote above, it's easy to see why Jackie Kennedy was so exciting to the public after Frau Mamie.

[quote]The Roosevelts (FDR, not Teddy) served weenies to the King and Queen of England.

Correct, R141, served outdoors at luncheon and intended expressly to introduce the Royals to typical American fare. As such, it was entirely appropriate.

[quote]I've just never seen quite an obsession with old shit like I have on this site.

You must be terrified of historians, my dear.

And if you were 5 years old when Reagan was in office, you are in your mid-30s, minimum, and way too old be acting like a delicate little Millennial flower.

Nancy may have softened to Hillary since Ron Jr. and Patti are both Dem leaning. I doubt she would have cared for Michelle, she would have probably wondered what she was doing out of the kitchen.

R137: should be "skirts on the drapes" not "skirts and the drapes". This seemed even more Victorian than putting skirts on piano legs.

Mamie was a general's wife -- being a bitch was incidental

Two friends of mine are former military (army) and they've both told me that general's wives are the biggest bitches on the planet.

Mamie's BFF was the actress Rosalind Russell, whom she met when they were supporting Ike during his presidential bid. Roz & Mamie both disliked flying so Mamie would accompany Roz on cross country train rides in a private Pullman car where they would drink cocktails , smoke lots of cigarettes and seduce the fine virile African American porters of the Pullman Company all the way to Los Angeles.

Mrs. Eisenhower was not only given her own personalized director’s chair, but a chance to try her hand at cinematography. Mamie actually lined up a shot on a Technirama camera for a scene in the film Gypsy (1962) , in which Roz was starring. Mamie was a pro within minutes, guided by camera operator Harry Stradling Jr. and his father, the cinematographer. No word whether she got union pay.

[quote] This is a woman recovering from a c-section (probably still a pretty barbaric procedure in 1960) who was under doctor's orders not to be on her feet. She was in visible pain, you can even see it in her tight smile in the photo above.

GOOD!

[quote] Caroline Kennedy allowed the release of Schlesinger's Conversations with Jackie. Which was odd because Jackie came off like a gossipy, dumb bitch.

"Came off"? Honey, that's what she was. A vain, shallow, status-obsessed, materialistic, gossipy, dumb bitch.

[quote]t's easy to see why Jackie Kennedy was so exciting to the public after Frau Mamie.

I don't recall Jackie doing anything truly significant outside of redecorating, being an elegant hostess, and take wild extravagant trips overseas. Did she ever say a word about segregation or the equal rights movement?

Mamoie took a very public stand on segregation a decade before it became politically fashionable to do so, especially in DC and especially as First Lady. Despite the inaccurate depiction of her as an inactive First Lady, Mamie took stands on a number of contentious public issues . Her moral conviction on civil rights, for example, derived less from a political agenda and more from the humanitarian context she saw it in.

As the last semi-official event of Dwight Eisenhower’s January 1953 Inauguration, Roz Russell's husband, Freddie Brisson had managed to arrange the world premier of his wife’s latest film Never Wave at a WAC (1953). The new First Lady had agreed to headline the event but the day before she discovered it was to be screened at the RKO Keith Theater in Washington which still enforced racial segregation. A consistent supporter of racial integration with President Eisenhower, she cancelled her appearance there. The symbolic act made headlines both in the political media of Washington and the entertainment industry trade publications of Hollywood, a lead item for famous gossip columnist Louella Parsons. It was all part of a larger Eisenhower strategy to shame District of Columbia schools, theaters and restaurants into relinquishing racial segregation, rather then call on Congress to legislate it.

Mamie didn’t let her old pal Roz down, however. In fact, she went one better than just appear at a movie premier – she hosted one in the White House, the first film shown in the new Administration and apparently the first Hollywood film premier hosted at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

That was quote the stand for Mamie to take on the issue, considering the DC was heavily segregated in that era , and there was very little interest in changing the status quo in the bigoted atmosphere pf the capitol. Quite the change from the last White House occupants, considering Harry Truman was a member of the KKK & Bessie was terrified of going out in DC, and despised live there "because of all the darkies"

So did Mrs Kennedy do anything beside spend money and act like she was Marie Antoinette??

[quote]Caroline Kennedy allowed the release of Schlesinger's Conversations with Jackie.

"Allowed?" She demanded a shitload of money and finally got it for releasing those tapes, she is as big a money grubber as her mother, how ironic that those tapes showed the world what a vacuous snot she was in real life.

I wonder how much Caroline paid to be named Ambassador to Japan? Hope she got a good deal because she sure as hell got a hefty dose of radiation while she was in post-Fukashima Japan.

Rosalyn was a cunt. The idea that people wouldn't vote her piece of shit husband out of office ic crazy. The Clintons and the Obamas both hate the Carters.

I've read in more than one place that Babs adores Bill Clinton so I would imagine that she and Hillary are probably on pretty good terms, as well. Funny that she's probably on better terms with Hill than she ever was with Nancy or her own daughter-in-law.

Millennials don't give a shit about anything that hasn't occurred in their lifetime. If it doesn't relate to them, they have zero interest.

If you want the poo on Mamie (and Eleanor and Bess and Jackie and Lady Bird and Pat...and their husbands, kids, etc) check out J. B. West's book, "Upstairs at the White House" about his years working their as Chief Usher. JUICY...including the real story about Jackie and Mamie and that damn wheelchair.

Oh, and J.B. West was allegedly a big closeted 'mo...

Lena Dunham can play Mamie in a movie

Yes but I;m afraid Mamie never performed analingus on some guy she just met at a bar in front of her girlfriends, so I doubt Lena would find a "Mamie bio-pic much to her licking.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, R158,

[quote] but Mamie was the kind of snob who drank martinis all day, wanted skirts on the drapes

According to the J.B. West book, they were to be referred to as 'draperies'. Mrs E went nuts when she heard one of the maids say the word 'drapes'. Mamie forbid slang. When J.B. answered the phone "Usher's office, West speaking'" she reprimanded him, instructing him to answer the phone "Usher's office, MISTER West speaking."

JBKO invited American artists and writers to the White House and treated them as an important part of American life, something not done while Mamie was ordering the servants to bring more fairy bread.

Whatever JBKO's feelings about the issues and politics of the early 60s, she would have never been invited to air them in any public way -- not barred by the evil opposition, but by her own husband.

R160 Then, MISTER West responded with....Fuck you, BITCH!

R161, Mamie who was a generational older and a decade earlier in the civil rights movement actually took a stand against segregatrion while Jackie nothing said a word in support? Ike was democrat, so the Kennedy s had no excuse, except they were both elitist snobs, and Jackie said some pretty bigoted things in those tapes who daughter sold off to the highest bidder.

Jackie had nothing but scorn for Martin Luther King, called him a "phony" and hated Indira Gahndi, calling her a "prune"

R163, Ike was not a Democrat.

Every other word from Jackie was four letters. Trenchiest mouth of all the first ladies by far.

[quote] Jackie had nothing but scorn for Martin Luther King, called him a "phony" and hated Indira Gahndi, calling her a "prune"

She was a woman who knew how to hate.

"It's always, "pass the fucking partridge' with that lot, iznt it?" -- Educating Rita

President and Mrs. Eisenhower’s Dinner Menu in Honor of King Paul and Queen Frederika of Greece, October 28, 1955

Shrimp Cocktail

Cocktail Sauce Saltine Crackers

Sherry

Clear Consommé

Sliced Lemon

Celery Hearts Assorted Olives

Fairy Toast

White Fish in Cheese Sauce

Coleslaw

Boston Brown Bread Sandwiches

White Wine

Crown Roast of Lamb

Stuffed With Spanish Rice

Mint Jelly

French Peas Braised Celery

Bread Sticks

Orange and Roquefort Cheese Salad Bowl

French Dressing

Toasted Triscuits

Champagne

Caramel Cream Mold

Burnt Caramel Sauce

Lemon Iced Diamond Shaped Cookies

Nuts Candies Demitasse

Mrs. Ike, as President Eisenhower affectionately called his wife, was a girlie girl. She loved hair curls and bangs, the color pink, sparkles, tulle, flowered hats, long gloves, flounced skirts, and—at fifty-six—she had no problem wearing sleeveless gowns that bared her less-than-firm upper arms. 1950’s America adored her because she was open, unpretentious, and genuinely loved people. Seeing themselves in her, many women viewed her as a kindred spirit, a wife dedicated to home and family. But she was far from the typical housewife. The White House staff nicknamed her “Sleeping Beauty” because she was known to lie in bed for long hours in her favorite pink negligee. The truth was she suffered from asthma and heart palpitation and needed to rest. And Mamie Eisenhower was not fond of cooking; her husband was the culinary expert in the family. Nevertheless, it was Mrs. Eisenhower, having successfully managed thirty households in her thirty-seven years as a military wife, who approved the menus for events large and small, including her husband’s many stag dinners. Her food choices reflected both the times and her Iowa upbringing.

President and Mrs. John Kennedy’s Menu

for a Luncheon with Princess Grace, May 24, 1961

Soft-Shell Crab Amadine

Puligny-Montrachet 1958

Spring Lamb Á La Broche Aux Primeurs

Château Croton Grancey 1955

Salade Mimosa

Dom Pérignon 1952

Strawberies Romanoff

Petits Fours Secs

Demi-tasse

Joining President and Mrs. Kennedy and the Prince and Princess of Monaco for lunch were Senator and Mrs. Claiborne Pell, Mr. and Mrs. Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jr. (the third of Mr. Roosevelt’s five wives), movie producer and director Fred Coe and his wife, and Mr. William Walton, a journalist, painter, and close friend of the president. Princess Grace, the actress Grace Kelly before her marriage, wore a fringed green jacket over a matching sheath dress, white gloves, and an unusual white turban from which exploded a froth of curled feathers or ribbons. The hat was definitely a fashion faux pas. Mrs. Kennedy’s social secretary, Letitia Baldrige, in her conversations with the President the week before the luncheon, had jokingly referred to Prince Rainier of Monaco numerous times as Prince Reindeer. At one point during lunch the president turned to respond to Prince Rainer and out slipped “Prince Reindeer.” For a few days after the luncheon, Miss Baldrige was not one of the president’s favorite people. But four years later, in an interview, Princess Grace was able to recall every detail of the lunch including all the dishes she had eaten. By that measure, the lunch was a huge success.

Another legendary White House tour gone bad between two First Ladies who despised each other took place in February of 1921, when the second Mrs. Wilson, an elegant and gracious woman was showing the mansion to its new mistress, Florence Harding, a brash and spiteful frump from Ohio. Midway through the tour, Mrs. Harding said something awful to Mrs. Wilson that caused her to turn beet red with fury. Mrs. Wilson rang the bell for the housekeeper and instructed her to continue showing Mrs. Harding the mansion. With that, Edith Wilson disappeared into the privacy of her own rooms. She never spoke to Florence Harding again.

No one knows what the outspoken Mrs. Harding said that upset the gentle Mrs. Wilson so badly. Presumably it had something to do with the unusual and "unnatural" state of affairs caused by President Wilson's stroke. Accurate rumors had it that Mrs. Wilson had been the de facto President for the past eighteen months. Harding's winning campaign slogan (thought up by his wife), The Return to Normalcy, had been a sideways jab at the Petticoat Presidency of Edith Wilson. Ironically, Mrs. Harding was the far more domineering woman, one who had always taken a firm hand in dictating policy to her husband.

When I was a young kid, and this was after Ike deceased, and she was traveling; Mamie Eisenhower was pointed out to me in the grocery store. She was buying frozen dinners (then called TV dinners). She looked like a very ordinary older woman shopping.

I read an article about Jackie in her latter years just a few before she died, and how was just fascinated by Stouffers Frozen Entrees and how wonderfully delicious they were , and how you cooked them in 6 minutes in a microwave. I guess fancy dining tastes get put aside when the country isn't paying for soft shell crab amandine and crates of Dom Perignon, eh Mrs Kennedy-Onassis?

R170 ....gentle Mrs Wilson? LMFAO

[quote]Mamie was a pro within minutes, guided by camera operator Harry Stradling Jr. and his father, the cinematographer.

The only thing my Mamie was straddling was my 10-inch chocolate Love Missile.

Anally

Mamie opposed segregation? I did not know that.

Yes Johnny. Mamie Dowd Eisenhower was for full desegregation and large black penises.

Yeah, but Jackie bought Stouffers, not Banquet or Swansons. And Stouffer built luxury hotels.

Oh come now. Mamie was no bitch. You can tell from her photos she was a cute little spitfire.

[quote]Yeah, but Jackie bought Stouffers, not Banquet or Swansons. And Stouffer built luxury hotels.

Hey! There's a yummy Friday Special at Stouffer's. It's a dollar-ninety vegetable plate, and at the bottom of the - not bad! - service for two: three, fifty-eight ... to make a bargain, make a date....

It's so odd that DL likes to paint Mamie as this hated despot when in reality, she was very much a beloved First Lady while in the WH and after...sort of a delightfully fun but slightly tart auntie.

I've always thought Jackie was the dumb twat for not insisting they take it slower or even use the damn wheelchair. Or, reschedule the tour until she felt stronger.

I always assumed "spitfire" meant a sassy broad who's the life of the party. I guess I'm wrong.

Mamie's Red Scare Thanksgiving Jell-o Dessert. The recipe is in the article.

I love you, R180

[quote] I've always thought Jackie was the dumb twat for not insisting they take it slower or even use the damn wheelchair. Or, reschedule the tour until she felt stronger.

Jacqueline Kennedy was only 31 when she became first lady. Despite her finishing school training, she admitted she was intimidated by Mrs Eisenhower. Her husband had won the presidency by a razor-thin margin, and was very much aware that he and his young wife were thought to be rich socialites by a large percentage of the population. Had Mrs Kennedy postponed the tour, it would've looked like a snub to Mrs Eisenhower.

Clint Hills' book, MRS KENNEDY AND ME, is a fascinating read. JBK hated politicking and was forever canceling events and running off to Europe, or going riding in Virginia. She adored her children but hated them being used as publicity pawns. JFK, on the other hand, knew how popular the kids were and would take every opportunity, especially when JBK was out of town, to have them photographed.

I cannot understand why she went braless in the era of Rosiland Russell bullet bras and foundation garments literally made of steel. It looks terrible for a woman of any age to have tits hanging down to her waist, but particularly in an older woman who's nursed two children. WTF was she thinking, especially when posing for a portrait?

r186 Mamie liked soft things against her fragile skin, so the thought of a tight, binding, and lifting brassiere probably brought the poor thing to tears.

R186 = the OTHER Mamie

I'm surprised some photoshop whiz hasn't shown us what Mamie would have looked like with less-ridiculous hair and makeup.

r189 Even Photoshop has its limits.

[quote] Mamie Dowd Eisenhower

It's DOUD, you stupid whore!

Mamie's floppy titties were a delight to Ike, who had a fetish for motorboarding.

[quote]who had a fetish for motorboarding.

Oh, dear.

r192 No, Ike liked Kay Summersby's titties. Mamie was his beard.

[quote]Mamie was his beard.

Mamie didn't have enough hair to be anyone's beard. At best, she was Ike's thin, frou-frou bangs.

Kay loved Ike her whole life. Kinda sad story. Too bad he didn't have the guts to dump Mamie.

Being a five star general meant being a man of honor, and men of honor didn't dump their wives for their mistresses back then. Ike could not have been elected if he had dumped Mamie.

I don't think that love affair ended after the war. The affair continued - at least through his White House days. He wasn't reckless with it though. Middleburg VA - Rex Fox Inn. Rendezvous site for several Presidents.

Here's another still from "I LIKED IKE!" (1964) featuring an improbably glamorous Helen Lawson as Mamie and a cameo from Miss Rosalind Russell as "Rosalind Russell, the First Friend!" Roz's discomfort with Helen, her old nemesis, is evident even through her smile.

Roz found the entire script and Helen's hand-chosen wardrobe laughable but agreed to do it as a fond tribute to Mamie, her lifelong chum.

Don't forget that Helen Lawson is our star of the month for April here on TCM.

And here's a backstage shot of Helen and her lovely co-star Barbara Parkins (as Jackie Kennedy) running lines for the infamous "White House tour" scene from "I LIKED IKE!"

"Sit down, you're making me nervous," r200!

Ike would have risked his career by dumping Mamie after a certain . Depending on where you are in the service, promotions become very political at a certain point and if your wife couldn't give the impression of being a helpmate to your career, you were finished. And Mamie would have had to fend for herself--no free officer's housing and cheap PX shopping. She'd have to pay tax on her booze (unlike the PX) and she might have to work for a living. I'm sure they had an understanding, even if it was unspoken.

Jackie clearly had some sort of understanding with JFK, but with rather different terms and a bit more glamour.

[quote]Don't forget that Helen Lawson is our star of the month for April here on TCM.

Helen Lawson is a star for all ages--not just one goddamned month! And don't you forget it!

Speculating on what sort of first lady Mamie Eisenhower would be, a 1952 Life magazine article decided that Mrs. Eisenhower would have “the highly commendable dignity of Bess Truman, with a touch of Ethel Merman on the side.” Intended or not, the description aptly captured the woman who cared about appearances and doing things “properly,” but was also fun loving with a gift for putting people at their ease. Mrs. Eisenhower could “charm the socks off anybody she met,” observed a White House usher.

Mamie’s contemporaries painted a picture of a woman that was vivacious, charming, the darling of the fashion industry, and completely in charge of her White House responsibilities. “She knew what she wanted, every moment, and exactly how it should be done,” noted one observer. The first lady cared about the details, whether they involved dinner menus, flower arrangements, or the protocol for greeting dignitaries to the White House.

Yet, these images of Mrs. Eisenhower bear little resemblance to the general attitude among more recent writers and historians that dismiss her as an aged grandmother who was as either too ill or socially inept to offer anything positive in her role as first lady. While a reappraisal of Ike’s presidency has seen an increased appreciation for the president and his policies, Mamie has not shared in the upswing. It has been common to suggest, for example, that while Mrs. Eisenhower was more engaged than her immediate predecessor Bess Truman, she was not as involved or stylish as her immediate successor Jacqueline Kennedy. Certainly, Mrs. Kennedy holds a phenomenal place in American memory and culture, but it seems to me that there is more to the question of why Mamie has been discounted or inaccurately portrayed than any debate about who was more glamorous or sophisticated.

Social attitudes of a time period change our perceptions of a first lady and what her role should include. While Mamie Eisenhower was a perfect fit for the 1950s, she did not translate well in the latter part of the twentieth century when the new women’s movement had its impact on social thinking and behavior. The movement that emerged in the late 1960s stressed total equality at home and in the workplace, and when the movement looked for a first lady as inspiration, the independent, out-spoken Eleanor Roosevelt was a good role model. (It was not by chance that first lady Hillary Clinton, who came of age during the late Sixties, identified with Eleanor.) In the context of the women’s movement, the 1950s was a wasteland of domesticity, and Mamie Eisenhower, who proudly and repeatedly described herself as a homemaker, was dismissed as just another example of the social pressures exerted on women to stay at home. -

She did not seek a public forum, saying that the country had elected her husband, not her. She reserved her opinions for family and close friends, and in terms of taking a position, she used the same hidden-hand approach now credited to President Eisenhower’s style of handling situations. When, for instance, Mamie reinstated the White House Easter Egg Roll in 1953 (it was discontinued during World War II), the event was integrated without fanfare. During the early days of the Eisenhower Administration, the president and his staff immediately began to address integration of restaurants, theaters, and schools in Washington, D.C. The Easter Egg Roll conveyed the same policy. When asked, at her one and only press conference held in March 1953, her plans for the Easter Egg Roll, Mamie did not take the opportunity to talk about integration. Rather, she sidestepped the issue, eliciting a laugh from reporters with her simple answer: “Well, as I understand it, the children take care of that pretty much themselves.” Another instance of the first lady’s hidden-hand approach came when she invited Lucille Ball to the White House not long after the actress was accused of being a communist and called before Senator McCarthy’s hearings on un-American activities. Subtlety, rather than confrontation, was Mamie’s mode of operation. She was not an activist in the style of first ladies Lou Hoover or Eleanor Roosevelt. She was not a Rosalyn Carter or Hillary Clinton sitting in on cabinet meetings or formulating domestic policy. Yet, she acted in partnership with Ike quietly, even gingerly, confronting contentious matters. -

[quote]ackie clearly had some sort of understanding with JFK, but with rather different terms and a bit more glamour.

and quite a few doses of the clap.

No wonder Mamie din't want Jackie to sit her filthy vd ridden snatch on the White House Wheelchair.

The legendary "aristocratic allure " of Jacqueline Bouvier was a paper thin veneer, one only need look at her aunt and cousin the Beales and the squalor and mental illness they lived in at Grey Gardens, to see what happens when there is no longer a wealthy man to finance the illusion .

Jackie's other relatives didn't have any money either, but they went out and got jobs and never descended into squalor.

I don't remember this new Hagiography of Mamie Eisenhower in any of our earlier threads on the topiic. Have we witnessed the emergence of a new troll? The Saint Mamie Eisenhower Memorial Datalounge Troll? Someone is working overtime to make Mamie look good and make Jackie look bad. Is it still 1960 in some queen's mind?

From whence did this come? Election freeper infestation? What is going on? Six months ago we filled two threads discussing her saggy tits and her craptacular taste, now we get 20 replies about how Mamie solved civil rights by hosting a movie premiere while good-for-nothing Jackie just redecorated and whined about some wheelchair.

Mamie Eisenhower led, for the most part, an isolated life in drab housing at never-ending stream of obscure military outposts, all while her husband traveled extensively and enjoyed the benefits accorded to a successful military officer and a war hero.

Mamie lost her first child Icky to scarlet fever. Mamie often couldn't move her household fast enough to keep up with Ike's constant military reassignments. Mamie chain smoked and drank heavily. In later years, Mamie enjoyed publicly dominating her powerful husband, who had reaped the rewards of a career that Mamie had sacrificed so much to help him build. Mamie was known as notoriously cheap and demanding even among other military wives, many of whom were by nature and circumstance a thrifty and assertive lot.

While Mamie grew up in a comfortable and respectable family in a small town in Iowa, Mamie didn't grow up with the material advantages that Jackie knew. Mamie was also of an earlier generation when expectations for women were very limited. Mamie did not have the benefit of an extensive formal education, educational travel, exposure to the arts, or other life experiences that shaped Jacqueline Kennedy's early life. Mamie married Ike when she was only 19 years old and immediately moved away from her family and all she had known to the first in a long series of ever-changing military bases. As Ike became more successful in his military career, Mamie often found herself alone in dreary military outposts, with few friends apart from other lonely military wives.

Mamie had to develop a certain strength and ruthlessness to survive. But the Eisenhowers had grown so far apart by the time Ike was elected President, they were near strangers. Mamie, herself, said their eight years in the White House was the longest time they had ever lived together as a couple up to that point and that the White House was the closest thing to a stable home they had ever known in their marriage.

Love her or hate her - Mamie was shaped by her life experiences. Mamie was not the generally the prettiest woman in the room; she was not the most charming, nor was she the most intelligent or the best educated. Unlike Jackie, Mamie did not read Proust in the original French. Mamie was the type of woman who learned to get attention by being the most demanding and sometimes the loudest. She over-compensated for her insecurities by demanding that all the White House staffers use the pretentious term "draperies" when many women would have simply called them "curtains".

And if you didn't like Mamie the way she was, she'd probably blow smoke from her unfiltered cigarette in your face and give you the figurative or maybe even the literal "fuck off".

Fun! There are two Saint Mamie Eisenhower Memorial Datalounge Trolls!

Laugh at me if you want, R211. I'm the only one of the First Ladies who would stand a chance in a Cage Match with that fat-ass Barbara Bush.

I'm not saying I could beat that hairy, psycho mother fucker but I could, at least, hold my own against her....

I'm not laughing, Mamie -- I'm r204 and r205.

I saw Caroline on one of the talk shows, and she pointed out that Jackie's name was supposed to be pronounced in the French way: Zhack-leen.

The woman was dead - what's the fucking point of worrying about it anymore, but it made me think less of Caroline. Wonder why she's not Cahr-o-leen?

"Bob Colacello, a confidant of Nancy Reagan, noted that of the First Ladies in attendance at her funeral, Michelle, Laura, Hillary and Rosalynn, Nancy liked only one of them. I think it was either Michelle or Hillary. "

I think the only one Nancy would have liked is Laura, who stood by her man, no matter what (and kept her trap shut). Being a Republican wouldn't hurt either.

Florence Harding would mop the floor with bot you and Barzilla in a cage match, Mamie. after all which other FLOTUS had the iron will and ferociousness to tell Grace Coolidge to go fuck herself during the White House tour or to stab her husbands campaign manager with a letter opener during a heated argument ?

Oh those roarin' 20's. The 60's just think they were wild.

Florence Harding made Mamie look like Doris Day on Ecstasy by comparison .

Once in the White Florence was given a glamorous makeover and a 'softer warmer' image . They would have had an easier job doing a sexy makeover on Mount Rushmore

Florence Harding was the Queen Cunt of First Ladies until Barbara Bush took over the title later in the 20th century.

Barbara Bush couldn't care less what the fat losers on DL think of her.

Florence Harding was jealous of Grace Coolidge's grace and beauty. Mrs. Harding personally lobbied several Republican Congressmen to defeat a bill that would have purchased an official residence for the Vice President. Gloating over her success, Florence said, "I couldn't bear to think of Mrs. Coolidge getting to live in that lovely house."

Mrs. Harding played one last bitch card against the Coolidges after President Harding died. Custom and courtesy dictated that she be packed and gone from the White House within a week of the State Funeral. Instead Mrs. Harding took eighteen days to surrender the mansion. The new President and First Lady had to cool their heels in a hotel while Florence took her own sweet time vacating a house that was no longer hers.

Bar shouldn't be casting any stones at Fat Losers...or she may hit one of her own.

R223 Your obsession with Barbara Bush is both sad and creepy, but mostly sad. She left the White House 23 years ago. You need to move on.

r221 Are you Jenna or little Barbara?

r224, your obsession with defending Barbara Bush is both sad and creepy, but mostly sad. She left the White House 23 years ago. You need to move on.

Guarding Tess (with Shirley MacL and Nicholas Cage) had a lot of Florence Harding (and Nancy Reagan).

R226 you type fat.

r228, you ARE fat.

All unfuckable, ugly, virgin, closeted dykes are bitches.

And they're all on the new season of RuPaul's Drag Race!

R98. Who is the man behind Nixon on the right? Looks like Trump.

That's Ethel Merman

No, who is the man on the far right?

Nixon was far right wasn't he?

It;s comedian Red Skelton, the other man is Lawrence Welk, Nixon is playing piano

Mamie fucked them all, Ethel too when Mamie wanted to switch things up a bit or when Roscoe was just too physically drained from servicing Mamie's insatiable sexual appetites.

Which one of those old farts had two big love affairs - of which the love letters have recently been published? Was it Harding?

R98. Again, from left-to-right, there is Red, Mamie, The Merm, Welk, Nixon, and who?

Could it be Bebe Rebozo?

The man on the far right is Ray Bolger.

It was Harding. First affair a child resulted. Huge scandal. Now dna tests confirm.

R238. Ah yes, I see now. Thanks so much.

Mamie and the Queen Mother were quite evenly matched both in looks and cuntiness.

'Mrs Eisenhower, you'll find a hat left in your suite for tomorrow's engagement, I was told you did not bring one and I wouldn't want you to be embarrassed. I do hope the President packed a white tie and tails for the banquet?

"Why thanks , Cookie, if it wasn't for my husband you'd be taking orders in German at a labor camp on the Scottish moors right about now, so stuff a sock in it, ok Lady Macbeth?

JFK has a son who was a college professor in Kansas

JFK had a bastard? Not surprising, of course.

Don't tell us his name, if Hillary gets wind of his existence she'll swoop down on Kansas, seek out the poor guy and destroy him like she did JFK Jr.

JFK's bastard son. Looks a helluva lot like him. Of course, none of the Kennedy family have volunteered DNA.

R152, Mamie had 8 years in the White House to Jackie's near 3. Had JFK lived and won a second term, who knows what Jackie would've said or done during those transformative years. But once she was out of there, she was out of there.

[quote]But once she was out of there, she was out of there.

DC was a shitbox even in Jackie's day. Who could blame her for wanting to GTFO and move to a fabulous co-op on 5th Avenue, with the Met and Central Park right across the street?

Well according to those private tapes her greedy money grubbing daughter sold to the press , given more time Jackie would have needed a surgeon to remove the foot from her mouth from such bon mots as:

On Indira Gandhi: "a real prune--bitter, kind of pushy, horrible woman."

On Charles DeGaulle: "that egomaniac"

On Martin Luther King, Jr.: "a phony" "the jews put him up to this"

At the end of eight years she'd be more well known for wearing her panties as a cloche-hat and her culottes as a cape, given the Bouvier penchant for madness.

Jackie's assessments were actually pretty damn accurate.

r248 At the end of eight years she'd be more well known for wearing her panties as a cloche-hat and her culottes as a cape, given the Bouvier penchant for madness.

I know you're not talking about me.

Wouldn't it have been hilarious if Little Edie had been First Lady?

Has anyone ever looked into the JFK assassination from the perspective the JFK may NOT have been the target of Oswald? Kennedy knew he was hated in Texas, especially Dallas, yet he insisted not only on driving through the heart of enemy territory in a motorcade, but he personally ordered the bulletproof bubble top taken off the car just before it departed. What if Jackie was the intended target, Jack was screwing everything in sight, ja ckie threaten to leave him numerous times, he'd given her more doses of the clap than a stand ovation at the Met, and he knew he could never divorce being Catholic, and if she left him the scandal would destroy his political career.

So what if JFK had hired a hit,an like Oswald to shoot Jackie straight through the pill box hat on that great big square head of hers ? Oswald then misses on the first shot hits Jack who yells "not me you moron, " which leads Jackie to realize that shot was ,meant for her ,she leans forward in front of Jack, and the second shot misses, blowing the top of his head off, at which point she scrambles her ass out of the car like it was on fire, only to be pushed by in by Agent Hill who was in on the job, by then Oswald knows he fucked up, and escapes like he would of if he had it the intended target? All the accomplices in Dealey Plaza heard the shots , the car sped off, they assume Oswald did the job and he walks out easy.

Oswald is later silenced to spare the late presidents memory from being tarnished, and then the cover-up into the JFK assassination looks like a huge cover-up, because there was no way to prove or disprove anyone but Oswald with the trail leading back to Kennedy ordering the hit on his wife.

So when Jackie said "I want them to see what they did" in her famous remark about the blood splattered suit, what she really meant "They Missed!".

R248, Yes, but those were from private conversations meant to remain private (who recorded these anyway?). Who of us hasn't said unkind things about beloved figures among friends? I'm sure with the Civil Rights marches and civil unrest in full swing, Jackie would've been forced to confront the issues and done or said something carefully planned by White House handlers.

Or Jackie would have been sent on a continuing series of lavish tax-payer funded trips to dazzle the rest of the world with her impeccable clothes,hats,and shoes.

R264, which would've been excellent PR for American exceptionalism, sophistication, and refinement. Lol.

I love that picture posted by R89. It illustrates the generational divide between the two First Ladies. Mamie in her fitted granny dress, with obligatory pearls and hat, and Jackie, young and effortlessly glam in her simple shift dress, no visible jewelry and, heavens! no hat.

Mamie did more through her actions to support the Civil Rights movements by refusing to attend segregated theaters, by having African American guest at the White House, way before Jackie, and with just as a matter of her own personal convictions that segregation was wrong.

I wonder what Khrushchev thought of the fairy toast

When did Ike and Mamie cease their "marital relations"?

Around the same time Mamie first engaged in carnal relations with Colored men - if you know what I mean.

"Who has the time for that little shitty pants? Tell Roscoe I'm waiting for him."

How do we think Mamie would have handled a tour of the White House with Melania?

I studied the best. Now I'm even more powerful than Mamie.

I would've started with a preventitive shot of penicillin, R261, before letting that syphilitic whore anywhere near me. What I should've done was told Ike to start WWIII and nuke Eastern Europe before that whore could be born!

Jackie, dear, you haven't touched your fairy toast. Don't you like it?

Mamie had class not unlike the low class first ladies we've had since Bar Bush left office.

Is there a bust of Roscoe anywhere at the White House?

Mamie was never the same after her firstborn toddler, that they called Icky, died of scarlet fever or some such disease. I don't think the marriage was ever very good after that either.

R152 blew my mind.

[quote]Is there a bust of Roscoe anywhere at the White House?

No, just a well-worn dildo molded from his massive equipment.

Not as big as me

Speaking of Fairy Bread...let's resurrect an old Mamie Eisenhower thread now that the Cunt Index (CI) has reached a record high on DL.

Bump

I did that wrong, but you get the idea.

She saved many female babies in Post WWII USA.

As women popped out ugly baby after ugly baby, mothers could take solace in the fact that even with a batface barely concealed by cat’s eye glasses, their little girl could one day grow up to be First Lady Of The United States and drink lots of scotch.