New show: "Lucifer"

No. It has Rachael Harris in it. She is the devil in real life. Not gonna watch!!!!

The lead Tom Ellis is quite fey, or just British?

I stumbled upon it and enjoyed it very much.....Tom Ellis is quite sexy.

He's sexy British.

But so much fun. It's been a while since a TV show has actually made me chuckle and even laugh out loud.

And I loved the music at the beginning.

Great pilot episode. Tightly written. Interesting premise and set-up. Thoroughly entertaining. I'm in.

One of the secondary characters (the female cop's ex husband) is played by the same guy who played Lafayette's nurse boyfriend on "True Blood".

I liked it. I am sure Ted Cruz will denounce it tomorrow

It was OK. Reminded me a lot of the other supernatural procedurals like Forever. Lucifer was cheeky but a little too nice.

It was freakin' hilarious.

Don't le the pilot fool you, reviews say its just another buddy cop procedural.

Yeah, well... if it's as well written and as funny as the pilot (which was basically a cop procedural so not at all misleading), I'm still in. It was a lot of fun.

I want to watch it, what network?

It's on FOX. Right after the X-Files.

They leaked the pilot months ago.

Constantine without the crap.

Doesn't have legs.

I can't agree with that interpretation, R13. Not at all.

Count me in a another who really liked it. How were the ratings?

Lauren German looks like a porn star now. The surgery and the botox make her look hot but nasty at the same time. I bet she gets knocked up by Ellis by season's end. The guy is sex on a stick and looks like he has a big thick fat penis. Either that or she blows him on set and they are not technically fucking.

The original Vertigo series was less trite than this. It seems even more compromised than Constantine was. Not as good as teh comics but it has promise.

I've never read the comics so I don't give a damn if it "follows" them or not. Or is "true" to them or not. It's totally irrelevant. The show is just a ton of fun.

It's got the procedural blues, a boring procedural snooze.

There was nothing boring about it. It was fun and hilarious. That review doesn't know shit.

I'll give it a shot on On Demand for Tom Ellis alone (I enjoyed him on "Miranda"), but right now I'm in the middle of "War & Peace" on A&E. Of course, if someone put Ellis and James Norton in the same show my heart would explode.

I've DVR'ed it. Is the devil evil? I hope so.

Are you people fucking high or are you just dickmatized by a hot lead? This show was a steaming turd. Satan leaves Hell to solve crimes?? It was GARBAGE. And Lauren German makes the least convincing cop since Bubba Smith in Police Academy. Even the softball critics didn't give it a pass.

I wasn't going to watch but when i saw Kevin Alejandro's hot ass I knew I was hooked.

[quote]Are you people fucking high or are you just dickmatized by a hot lead?

Dickmatized. I took my pants off. And what's wrong with it?

Link please, R23.

The you should just watch Miranda instead. he's frequently shirtless and a lot more appealing than he is here (and Miranda is a better show.)

The devil is evil, but has a soft spot for little girls and other occasional folk who are in trouble. Yawn.

Where is Miranda available in the US, R26? I just tried to access it via Chrome>hola>BBC iPlayer, which worked for London Spy, but it won't work today.

I really enjoyed it too. Will keep watching.

[quote] Where is Miranda available in the US, [R26]? I just tried to access it via Chrome>hola>BBC iPlayer, which worked for London Spy, but it won't work today.

Oh, fuck BBC America. They suck. I just reacquired cable and was shocked to see the bulk of their programming is now American movies.

If you have Hulu, all three seasons of Miranda (save for the last two specials) are there. Or you can find the whole thing on Dailymotion (though the quality is so-so, but watchable). If you don't have Hulu, you can always join for a free two weeks and binge Miranda.

"Dickmati-i-ized and it feels so good..."

[quote]Oh, fuck BBC America.

No, not BBC America, BBC Two for London Spy, and BBC One for Miranda. I think I'll bingewatch on hulu. Thanks.

R22 has absolutely no sense of humor.

[quote] No, not BBC America, BBC Two for London Spy, and BBC One for Miranda. I think I'll bingewatch on hulu. Thanks.

You are very welcome. Where do you get Two and One? Actually, BBC America has started airing London Spy, so I've been DVR'ing it.

I'm glad Lauren German is working again. WTF did Dick Wolf fire her and then hire her twin if not to get rid of the lesbian character?

[quote] [R22] has absolutely no sense of humor.

I do. Which is why I recognized what a joke this fucking shitfest is.

Tedious,

R34, I watched London Spy on BBC's iPlayer, which I accessed via Chrome>hola>BBC iPlayer. But I was unable to get it to work today.

Are you saying Chrome as in Google Chrome the browser or Chromecast the dongle?

Google Chrome the Browser, R39. I am dongle-free (though dong-avec).

Thanks!

No, R36, you don't. Because the show was a ton of fun. Unlike you.

R42 thinks this is the best satanic story since Little Nicky.

No, "Little Nicky" sucked. Big-time.

This was fun. Do you remember what fun is? I'm guessing you're pissed off it isn't exactly like the comic book or some other "Comic Book Store Guy From The Simpsons" bullshit.

I didn't even know it was initially a comic until after I watched it. It just plain sucked. And you have really terrible taste.

R17 I do give a shit. The comic is far more witty,fun and brilliant than this is.It is very unique for that genre. This show is not. If it is going to be "solve the murder of the week" then it will be one of many. I think Ellis is good, this show does have potential. However going for the tried and true is a mistake. Warner Bros( who like DC and HBO is owned by Time Warner) should have put this on HBO. They watered down the concept and have made it a mediocrity.

No, I think you have really terrible taste. And no sense of humor.

It had great music, great writing, great lines, snappy sarcasm, and love his reaction to the kids... the show was nearly perfect.

I have no fucking clue what you could possibly even complain about.

On HBO we could have gotten some nudity.

[quote] I have no fucking clue what you could possibly even complain about.

How about the fact that you also think Ariana Grande is "amazeballs."

Um... did I ever say that? No, I did not.

But keep making up shit.

Lauren German is also the 99 Cent store equivalent of Jaime Pressly.

[quote] Um... did I ever say that? No, I did not.

You don't need to. You reek of bad taste.

Is this a TV show or a comic book you guys are talking about?

[quote]Jaime Pressly is the 99 Cent store equivalent of Jaime Pressly. Lauren German is much more pleasing to this male homosexual.

R53. It's a TV show.

Only tangentially based on a comic book.

Which of course infuriates the comic book purists.

[quote] Which of course infuriates the comic book purists.

Except for the people who don't read comics and still think it's a piece of shit.

Tom Ellis fans hope he lasts longer as Lucifer than he did as that devilishly handsome concierge doc, William Rush.

You really have issues, R56. Let it go. You're wrong, but you're entitled to your idiotic opinion regardless. But we don't need to hear you parrot it over and over and over and over. We get it. You didn't like it. Perhaps you should find another thread to shit in?

[quote] You really have issues, [R56]. Let it go. You're wrong, but you're entitled to your idiotic opinion regardless. But we don't need to hear you parrot it over and over and over and over. We get it. You didn't like it. Perhaps you should find another thread to shit in?

Right, but we need to hear you parrot over and over that the people who didn't like it are just disgruntled asshole comic book readers, even when people have told you they don't read comics or didn't know the show was based on a comic. Yeah, but you're not wrong. Asshole.

OP, yes - it was wonderful; I cannot WAIT till next week!!!

If you hated it so much, GO THE FUCK AWAY. You have shit all over everything long enough.

the opening sequence reminded me so much of Rush and that was a good thing. loved Rush (only person who did i guess) and love watching Tom E work his sexy charm.

[quote] If you hated it so much, GO THE FUCK AWAY. You have shit all over everything long enough.

No, I've only shit on this TV show and your appalling taste. And I'm about to start in on what a fucking easy mark you are, you bitch-titted whiner. Jesus Christ, but you're a pussy. That's only three things, so there's something else you're wrong about.

R63 thinks he's responding to only one person. How cute.

The hilarity of someone going off on an irrational over-the-top rant about how wrong someone is... and doing it to the wrong person! :-)

Sure, Jan. Sure.

He really is unbalanced, isn't he, R64?

Indeed he does seem to be, R66

I blocked R64 and every single one of those comments disappeared until R66. But thanks for playing.

R68, I am R66, not R64 (I'm on [italic]your[/italic] side).

[quote] [R68], I am [R66], not [R64] (I'm on your side).

[quote] He really is unbalanced, isn't he, [R64]?

I read this as you were addressing R66. Apologies if I misread. But also, I was saying that there were no other dissenting comments until yours (or that I thought was yours) so that it actually was, in fact, all the same person.

Anyway, the point is Lucifer sucked. >: )

I meant addressing R64. Gaaaaah!

(rolling eyes)

You're lying because R61 is not the same poster as R64. Dipshit.

Oh, I liked Lucifer. I guess I'm not on your side, R71.

Not sure to whom you are talking, R72. No, R61 and R64 are not the same person. I still wish the haters would go away.

The ratings were solid, but unspectacular, helped mostly from The X-Files, but the pundits are predicting a steep drop next week, as WOM is deadly. This will last about as long as Minority Report.

WOM?

And R72, sorry, I should have explicitly directed that post at R68.

Who is fucking whom in this thread?

I liked Lucifer. I loved Tom Ellis.

It sucked

Me too, R76. But I still don't know what "WOM" means.

All I know is that it's apparently deadly.

I really liked it. Lucifer was yummy and so was the angel, I couldn't quite make out his name.

Doesn't "WOM" stand for "word of mouth"?

Meh. A good Satan? no...guy looks nice. Horrible actors.

It reminded me a lot of "Sleepy Hollow".

I watched based on DL recommendation and like it. I'll watch again, though I suspect it'll be tough to keep it out of the toilet.

Loved Lucifer's accent. And car.

Lucifer translates to "bringer of light". I just looked it up, it also translates to "Morningstar", his last name in the show. Why doesn't everyone he meets say "Your parents really named you Lucifer? What was wrong with them?"

It was alright. Nothing great.

I loved the pilot, but it could go either way in the future. They had better not make him mortal or anything. But if it stays in the same vein as the pilot, it'll be great.

I think Lucifer ought to be, deep down, an evil man. That's the point of using him as a character, isn't it? He seemed nice in the pilot. That's got to go.

I just want him to get LOTS of therapy.

No, R87. Didn't you get it? I LOVE how they're framing the devil as not "evil incarnate" ... but rather as what he really seems to be when you look more closely: Someone who wants to PUNISH those who are evil. It's a great spin on the character.

I think there'll be lots of ironic punishments.

r57 tom ellis lasts quite long.

[quote]Where is Miranda available in the US, [R26]? I just tried to access it via Chrome>hola>BBC iPlayer, which worked for London Spy, but it won't work today.

Use torrents.

reply 82 is right. It's just Sleep Hollow all over again. It was a fun pilot, but it can't be an open-ended series. I'd watch, 4-6 of them, maybe.

Well, I loved the first season of Sleepy Hollow. But yeah, after that it went to crap.

I'm fine if we only get one good season out of this. I mean, I *LOVED* Sleepy Hollow's first season, and I'm fine with LOVING this for one season. I just hope it doesn't go to shit earlier than that.

I liked it.

I lasted 15 minutes. Just not my thing (although Tom Ellis is my thing, which is why I gave it a try). I'd rather rewatch "Miranda" (although, sadly, they shaved his chest for that; still, less guyliner).

Much more my thing: London Spy and War & Peace.

"Produced by Jerry Bruckheimer?

COUNT ME OUT.

The trailer reveals it to be just straight porn.

Only 49 percent on Metacritic?

Sorry, there is a thousand GOOD shows to catch up on.

It IS a good show. Probably too smart for most people (who don't "get" sarcasm, or who are too uptight about religion to get this spin on the character) to appreciate.

And Jerry Bruckheimer did "Cold Case" which was pretty good too (and had a great gay episode).

How about judging for yourself??

Like I said, a thousand better-reviewed, more interesting shows are in-line before this Lucifer B.S.

I don't give a damn about the reviews. They're wrong. This show was thoroughly fun and entertaining, and I loved it. At least I can say that about the Pilot. It might turn to crap in the very next episode, I don't know. All I can do is judge by what I've seen, and it was great.

Anyone who pans it based on that premiere is an idiot and an asshole whose opinion matters not one bit to me.

Why does he have an English accent?

Why are you so invested in this, r101?

Art, taste and opinion are subjective.

This must be one of those PR research threads we were discussing a few days ago...it sure seems to have all the characteristics a poster in the know described

R104 = paranoid nutcase.

You'd feel better over in the "Is the moon a hologram" thread.

And it's confirmed!

Watching it right now. Not impressed yet. Lucifer is way too smug to find his antics funny. And the banter with his sidekick is already old. Don't think I'm coming back.

Wait, he goes back to fuck the therapist...go back!!!

R107, the smug/arrogant attitude is the fun part. His comments and antics are hilarious.

I like that the show leaves it ambiguous. You never know if he's really the devil or just a crazy man with schizophrenia.

How is it ambiguous? He gets people to confess desires, he gets shot multiple times with no effect... it's clear he's the devil and not just some guy.

If he's really the devil, why does he have so many wrinkles in his forehead?

I kept thinking I was watching a lighter version of "Rush"

To whoever suggested "Miranda," I signed up for the Britshow service that provides it, but Miranda is like the British Lena Dunham, sans tattoos. I don't know if i can make it through multiple seasons of her "comedy." Not a show I would watch for a minute but for Tom Ellis.

How old he?

Lou has a demon bartender friend, too. Plus the Black guy who scolds him has wings, so it's clear Lou is a demon.

Yeah, not sure where that "ambiguous" b.s. came from. Someone who apparently paid no attention while watching I guess.

R26, Miranda is one of the most awful things I've ever watched. What else is worth watching on Acorn TV?

2nd ep was fun. loved seeing the devil in bed with a man and woman. producers need to stress that Lucifer will sleep with whoever.

Yeah, that guy was HOT.

r110, if you go to the part wher the sleazy producer shot the girl detective and Lucy thought he was dead and he was soooooo pissed off that he died without suffering, well when the starts coughing and Lucy sees he is not dead yet, he grabs him by the throat and lifts him up IN FRONT OF A MIRROR and then, for a very short time you see the "REAL" Lucy in the mirror reflection. So, yeah, can't be killed, has another dark angel tailing his ass, has a demon bartendress that likes to get head (that I found remarkable), and can levitate his sigel coin. I best liked the part where she said that he has balls and then he said that they were really quite ordinary. I really like how he truly enjoys making bad people suffer.

It has possibilities.

Hope it doesn't die the thousand deaths of bad writing like Constantine did.

Tom Ellis is really hot, but making it into a boring procedural is a stupid idea.

He showed his true visage to the street preacher at the start of tonight's episode.

Episode 2 not as great as episode one, but I'm still in.

Lots of great moments. But a few really stupid ones too.

Does he fuck guys? Is he at least shirtless?

If one or both of these answers is NO, then I'm not interested.

The REAL Lucifer would be a big YES to both.

Yes, he had a shirtless scene. And yes, there was an implication he had a three-way with a couple (male and female) and the guy in that couple was fucking HOT.

I'm totally in like with this show. Very entertaining.

Freemason brainwashing.

Michael Welch is going to guest star later in the series. I can't wait.

Is it a biopic?

I had to look up who Michael Welch is. He looks like he could be devilish... but we know Lucifer doesn't have a 'son', so I'll be interested in what kind of part he plays.

[quote] Does he fuck guys?

He was in bed with both a guy and a girl last night

[quote] Is he at least shirtless?

He has been.

[quote] The REAL Lucifer would be a big YES to both.

There is no "REAL Lucifer," dipshit.

I'm a little disappointed he never wears a cape.

Mildly entertaining.

Will watch again if exceptionally bored, or if I hear Lucifer gets it on with a dude.

So the creepy producer didn't die.

I like the therapist. I like the little girl.

I like Lucy, or is it Luci? (More like Lucci!)

The show looks like it's going that way but I really hope it doesn't turn out that he's just crazy and not really the devil. That would be such a copout. That would be St. Elsewhere bad.

Like his accent. And he is amusing. But I can see why he wears facial hair. Don't really think he's physically attractive (mouth, ears) but his character makes him so.

Loving this show. I agree that it resembles Sleepy Hollow in some ways but I like that show as well.

Glad to see Tom Ellis in this. I was disappointed that Rush only lasted one season on USA. I thought it had a lot of potential. I agree with the poster upthread that said Miranda is like the British version of Girls. I couldn't stand the lead woman and could barely understand a word she said. I only watched the show for Tom.

I wonder if Lauren was killed off Chicago Fire because she was offered this show. She's getting a lot more screen time on this show than on CF.

I enjoy the scenes with the little girl where it's obvious that he doesn't have a clue about interacting with children.

Their visual portrayal of him as Satan is a bit disappointing. He comes across as just another CGI monster--nothing about him says Prince of Darkness.

My what an original theme. Reminds me of a story about the devil taking up residence in Moscow 1928.

LOL R139. Last night when he threw the little girl's doll and told her to go get it.

[quote]I like Lucy, or is it Luci? (More like Lucci!)

CC says "Luci." And "Lucci" is not a soundalike.

r142 = thick as a plank

So Luci it is. (and the Lucci was a tip to the OTT acting).

So far the writing sucks E1 and E2.

DB Woodside is a typical cast the black guy as the big heavy as Amenadiel. Pity they didn't make Amenadiel a beautiful succubus totally evil on the inside.

IMDB shows 13 episodes filmed.

[R141] As funny as telling the little girl to "go fetch" was it was even funnier when he asked if the command was too sophisticated for her. LOL

R144, the writing in episode 1 was awesome. Had me in stiches the entire time.

Too bad it wasn't meant to be a comedy, but a thriller/romance.

The SHOW is most certainly meant to be a comedy.

It's not horrible.

I liked when he scared the shit out of the chubby bully.

I love the little touches.

No! Look away! You're being fooled!

Will they give him some wacky neighbors and then call the show:

I LOVE LUCI???

There is a lot of potential. It will depend on whether the writing is original or at least interesting or if it's just formulaic. Playing with Lucifer's inability to understand those who aren't motivated by pettiness and selfishness could be a good story. He's tired of ruling Hell and just isn't into it anymore. "Father" wants him to get back to work and he says no, which is consistent his story. He is prideful and intransigent and is not interested in following the plan.

I see this as potentially a story about Lucifer evolving and learning about the spectrum of human behavior and becoming more complex himself. That would at least make Hell more creative.

It's base on a comic book. R153. Don't be expecting Dante.

When do I make my guest appearance as the lead's love interest?

[quote]It IS a good show. Probably too smart for most people (who don't "get" sarcasm, or who are too uptight about religion to get this spin on the character) to appreciate.

This is literally the most ridiculous thing I've read on this board in quite awhile. Bravo.

I enjoyed it and agree it has a lot of potential. Tom Ellis is perfection in that role.

R156 finds the truth 'ridiculous'. Huh.

Last night I enjoyed how revolted he was by redheads, and his comment that "gingers have no souls."

He'd fit right in around here.

I think there's been a steady decline since the premiere ... but I'm still enjoying it.

I like it but there is more talking than shooting, so morons in America won't like it.

Who was the actor who played the virginal football player? He's not listed at IMDb. Wasn't he on "All My Children"?

R162 Redaric Williams played Ty, the football player. He was on Y&R.

Thanks, R163.

I'd like to see the show get much darker. Keep the comedy edge, but go all Dexter with Lucifer dispensing his own brand of justice when the law fails.

Right now it's too twee to be really witty. It's only as smart as a tv writer, and Lucifer should be a cut above that. The lead is certainly charming, it would be interesting to see him with better material.

Looks like it's cruising for renewal.

I thought it was good.

I hope they don't turn this into Twilight.

They should either lose the girl/demon at the bar or give her something to do.

[quote]They should lose the girl/demon at the bar.

Fixed.

Excuse me for having been raised a heathen, but who is the black guy with the wings supposed to be? I know about Lucifer being cast out of heaven and all, but I'm drawing a blank on him.

That’s Amenadiel, R172, portrayed by D. B. Woodside... one of the nastiest archangels you’ll ever see.

Back story:

Amenadiel was born a Seraphim, a being of pure light created by God and living at His holy service. A loyal follower and a powerful warrior, Amenadiel was also the leader of the Thrones, the angels of peace and submission, dedicated to the fulfillment of God’s plan and to the harmony of the entire creation. Despite his nature and his original vocation, however, Amenadiel wasn’t as peaceful and loving as he was meant to be since before the beginning of time; the rebellion of Lucifer Morningstar, once the wisest, most beautiful and powerful of all angels, had created something in his immortal soul that wasn’t supposed to be there: hatred.

Amenadiel despised Lucifer and everything he stood for, he considered him a living mockery to God Himself, and to everything His creation was meant to be. The increasing corruption of creation following Lucifer’s fall only increased Amenadiel’s grudge against him, and his only satisfaction came from seeing the powerful ex-archangel exiled for eternity into the Chaoplasm, the farest place existing from God’s love and mercy, a dimension that would have been known as Hell.

Much to Amenadiel’s indignation, however, Lucifer abandoned his place of exile and quit being the ruler of Hell, leaving his realm empty and unguarded (two of Amenadiel’s brothers, Duma and Remiel, took his place). What unsettled Amenadiel the most, however, was seeing that God didn’t do anything to prevent Lucifer’s umpteenth rebellion to His orders, and that He let him retire on Earth as if he deserved some sort of vacation.

Unable to understand, Amenadiel decided he would have personally amended God’s “mistake”, and started a personal war against the former Lightbringer, dedicating his entire existence to his annihilation. Only, he needed time and patience to elaborate a plan able to win against a creature so more cunning and powerful than he was.

At least that's how it goes in the comic...

I think Amenadiel was just a character in the comics, R172. This show is very loosely based on those.

Lol. Damn my phone. I did not see there was a reply already. Although I will add that it was mentioned in an interview that they are not going with the comic book version. A bit will be left out. Kind of like what Walking Dead is doing, going opposite of the comic books.

Damn, why isn't all that cool shit in the Bible? That would make me want to read it.

Thanks

r176, read the Book of Enoch. It is a pity that in 325 CE they kept the crappy Book of Revelation and moved the Book of Enoch out of the main Bible. Stupid X-tians.

LOVED when he said "who do you desire" to the guy... and the guy said "you."

LOVED it.

HE'S NAKED.

And apparently hung.

It was a tedious shit fest. What is wrong with you people?

Damn if this was cable we would have seen his ass on today's show!

What's wrong with YOU, R180?

So stop watching, R180. Do you think anyone will miss you?

I thought he was the hottest he's ever been when he got mad at the lady for touching his wing scar. So serious and threatening. Sexy.

He's not shirtless enough.

Just overdressed in general on the show.

Lucifer's own journey is far more interesting than the crimes he helps investigate.

True r187.

Front shots are misleading, but a side view fives evidence of some...bulk.

I like it. If he goes Dexter,fine but I don't need the blood and gore. That kind of shit does not make my day.

But the writing remains pure shit.

Interesting that this Lucifer now bleeds.

[quote]Interesting that this Lucifer now bleeds.

That what scares me about this show. We're on what, episode 5, and already the rules are changing. I'm tired of getting hooked on shows (Lost, Heroes, Person of Interest) that start out interesting are quickly buried by overly complicated plot twists.

Well, at least it isn't the crap fest Constantine was...

"Constantine" started out really rough (to the point of being bad), but in the last three episodes really found its footing, and was really going interesting places. Alas, it was canceled, so we'll never see how good it could have become. It sucks that they can't just move it to WB and let it be part of the Arrow/Flash/Legends-verse, in a Friday night time slot. It would totally play well there.

"Lucifer" on the other hand, is following the trajectory of Sleepy Hollow... it looks to have a great first season, but it's hard to see how they keep the magic going. Sleepy Hollow totally lost it and went from one of the best new shows on TV in season one, to being a complete crapfest. Like "Heroes" did before it. I'm betting "Lucifer" plays out the same way.

Nice touch with the body guard being gay.

Lucifer should not have been as surprised.

Lucifer bled because Chloe shot him, not because he was shot. She's immune to his power. That's my guess, anyway.

Interesting notion, R197.

I really don't like the "becoming more human" aspect though. The whole thing that makes Lucifer work is that he's unabashedly NOT "human".

Thanks for the trailer.

"Is that a stage name?" "God given, I'm afraid"

Haha, I'm sold, will watch. (Never said I was hard to get.) This seems like the Joss Whedon kind of fun, unlike Joss Whedon's latest exploits.

I shall choose to believe that until contradicted r197.

This is for you r199:

Lucifer is so freaking hot. Yes the show has plot holes you could drive a truck through but I seriously do not care. He could be shirtless and reading from the dictionary and I would still tune in every week.

It's getting weaker, unfortunately, but I'm still enjoying it.

Starting next week, it has Gotham as the lead-in, instead of X-Files.

I binged watched episode 2-5 today. It's "ok", but no better. I might watch later episodes, but I wouldn't recommend it.

There's not much chemistry between Lucifer and the Cop, so it's tough to get invested in whether or not their relationship is going anywhere. The 20 seconds he had with the Cop's boss had more heat than the rest of the episode combined.

Lucifer looks old. There's so much crow's feet around his eyes that the makeup can't hide. And what is wrong with his feet? They look like crow's feet.

I fear for the shrink now that Amenadiel has her in his sights.

i absolutely loved the pilot, but sadly it's been downhill from there b/c my biggest pet peeve is people who don't take "no" for an answer, and that is exactly what lucifer has done in every single episode so far. he was funny and charming in the pilot, but now he's that entitled asshole who doubles his efforts b/c the one woman he wants doesn't want him.

R207, the Lucifer of legend was the original template for entitled assholes. Him being an asshole and not taking responsibility is the point and it seems to be headed toward him eventually realizing all of that. Maybe that's what his father is expecting him to learn on his vacation to L.A. Because if his father didn't want him on Earth he wouldn't be, never mind Amenadiel's issues with it.

Isn't the devil supposed to be evil?

R209, this is a slightly different spin on the devil.

Good episode last night! Anybody watch?

[QUOTE]Good episode last night! Anybody watch?

Yep, and I think it was the beginning of the end. Unable to leave well enough alone, we now have some mysterious person or persons who have stolen his wings, so now there's that bullshit subplot, and it will get bigger and more complicated with every episode until it buries the show.

R212 well, at least now he has something to focus on instead of trying to figure out/bang the cop.

Don't be stupid, R212. The stories about Lucifer himself are what make the show, not the boring, recycled police-work stories.

Scenes for next weeks episode show Lucifer teaming up with Amenadiel to recover his wings. I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out.

Agree there's not much chemistry between Lucifer and Lady Cop.

This was a good episode. The scenes with Maze and Chloe's husband were funny , and Lucifer's visit with Dr. Linda was intense. I don't have a problem at all with the theft of Lucifer's wings, which is far more interesting the usual COTW.

Agree r216. Instead of crappy MOW stuff, we are finally getting back story that made the comics interesting. Lucifer getting Trixie to lie, was a no-no though. I like Maze. I like Amanadiel. It's the mortals that are insufferable. Except the therapist, she rocks. When she called him Samiel it was an awesome moment.

The crime of the week just got interesting. We now follow the wings.

[quote]Don't be stupid, [R212]. The stories about Lucifer himself are what make the show, not the boring, recycled police-work stories.

Agreed. I wish they would get rid of the stupid case of the week and just focus on the Lucifer mythology. Grimm is unwatchable because it's just a stupid procedural, the same damn thing every single week. Teen Wolf does it right by staying away from the monster of the week and just focuses on the mythology.

Off topic but the movie "Hellboy" with Ron Perlman is one of my favorite guilty pleasures. There's a reference to "Samiel" in that movie.

Off-off topic, the therapist on "Lucifer" played the Harvard grad placement person (have no idea what the title is, obviously) on the USA Network show "Suits." Every time I see her on "Lucifer," I keep thinking,"Sheila Zass!!" Poor Louis Litt!

I can watch the last ten minutes of the last episode over and over and over again.

What happened at the end? Naked lucifer fcking a guy? Or three?

Emotional confrontation of biblical proportions.

R220 The last ten minutes were fantastic. I'm glad we're getting a little more of the fantastical element and delving more into the mythology. I don't mind having a "case of the week" but they haven't been very compelling cases for the most part. Tom Ellis was amazing in those last few scenes, very powerful.

I think that Maze is in line to become gay icon material. LOVE HER.

WHAT I DON"T LIKE:

Here we have one of god's most beautiful and perfect creations that goes all flashy red eyed satan when he is punishing people. Why can't he GLOW with the Light of the Morning Star and then damn people to DARKNESS away from god?

Haven't we gone New Age beyond a creepy devil to understand that damnation is being deprived of the presence of the divine?

I just watched it. My goodness.

I wonder if Amenadiel is behind the theft of the wings. Maybe he is trying to prevent Lucifer from changing? Then again, what if not having his wings prevents him from going back to Hell.

The thought of Lucifer using a cargo container to transport his wings is kinda ludicrous. He didn't station a demon to watch over them? Did he send them FOB to himself?

Looks like an inside job. Who would know about that particular container and its hidden room? After all the shrink used the quote "You Don’t Know What You Have Until It’s Gone". Would it be too obvious for Amandiel and Maze to work together and set up a scheme for Lucifer to get all riled up and ready to go back to hell?

R226 he wasn't transporting them, he was storing them. I gather he didn't expect anyone to look for them there.

Thanks for the fine point r228. I only see them as transportation containers or modular housing.

I'm really loving this show. Tom Ellis is sexy as fuck.

R225 called it :-)

Tonight's episode was the best since the premiere, imho.

Wow, nice turn for Amenadiel at the end.

Finally, some texture in characterization.

Lovin' Maze keeping one of Lucifer's feathers.

That was a good episode last night. I'm strangely addicted to this show. It just keeps getting better and better. Hope it gets renewed.

The Lucifer plotlines are far more interesting than the 'case of the week' plotlines.

Last night's episode basically started a plot arc for the cop though... the "dirty cop" gambit. So now it'll take a while to root out who it is. It can't be the boyfriend based on the episode, though that would be the typical clichéd outcome. So now I wonder who it is. I'm guessing the dead cop's partner. Because always.

I guess that's an attempt to make the procedural part more interesting. But it'll never be more interesting than the Lucifer part.

Is it just me or did they make it clear the boyfriend COULDN'T have been the evil cop last episode, but this episode they're making him into the evil cop....

Such a cliché.

What happened to the child's father?

Who what now, R236?

Wasn't the kids father a hot latino guy?

Did they recast him?

There has been no recasting. The father is the bad cop at the end.

Then he went blond or something.

Lucifer is turning into a petulant asshole.

I hate how he abuses Maze.

I must rewatch e1.

East coast, how is it?

Eh, mildly interesting.

I liked the way Lucifer needle the priest about his relationship with the teen hoodlum.

Jerry Buckerheim + Lucifer = CSI: Los(t) Angel(es).

Amenadiel hired a hitman?

Y?

These demons have no mojo.

Poor Maze.

the kids dad was definitely recast cuz like R238 said, in the pilot he was a latino guy, but then in the next episode, they recast him with the guy who played the gay nurse on true blood.

R245, if Lucifer dies, he goes back to hell, which is what Amendiel wants. But he can't commit murder, so....

I WAS right!

Gonzalez was sexier.

r238

OP and Lucifer are worse than the Devil and Satan.

kevin alejandro looked hotter on true blood, he just looks bloated in all his episodes here.

Bloated is exactly what he looks like.

Wow, I honestly didn't even notice that they'd swapped out Chloe's ex. I was too busy lusting after Lucifer.

r252, then go back and rewatch the pilot and concentrate on Luci's manspreading when he is talking to Amenadiel. His legs, while mostly in the dark, cannot be spread wider...

I don't recall Gonzalez. Alejandro is much hotter.

If you do not recall one, how can you make a comparative, r254?

This is Nicholas Gonzalez, the guy they dumped.

I know who he is, dumbass. I guess I needed to write "I don't recall [italic]the presence of Nicholas[/italic] Gonzalez [italic]in any episode of LUCIFER[/italic]" so that people of your IQ could follow along.

BTW, did you notice that Nicholas Gonzalez was only in the first episode of the second season of BOSCH? He must get fired a lot.

Oh, and "comparison" works better than "comparative," dingleberry R255.

Dear Cunt at 256, I cannot read you mind. You wrote,"I don't recall Gonzalez.". That is what I read.

Secondly, auto-correct is comparative. I wrote comparison, but you knew that because you can read minds r257.

And Gonzalez is waaaay hotter than the dough boy that replaced him.

Funny, IMDB has removed Gonzalez from the pilot credits and credits dough boy for the pilot.

Hint for learning-impaired R258: The thread title contains the name of the show, LUCIFER. Why in the name of fuck would it occur to me to repeat it?

You still use auto-correct? Dumbass.

You didn't need to repeat the name of the show. You failed to recognize Gonzalez. Two different issues. You did not need to repeat it.

I have autocorrect enabled and remarkably, it rarely rears its ugly head. However, to make a comaprative (adjectival noun) seems to be a bit much for you.

Return to your tempest in a teapot. So tempesting.

"Comaprative"? Autotune this time? And where do you get the idea I don't "recognize Gonzalez"? I've been "recognizing" him since RESURRECTION BOULEVARD.

You're such a fucking ninny. Retreat. Go home. Be stupid with those who love you (should such people exist). Type "fcuk" for your AutoCorrect.

Now that r262 feels better, we can return to Lucifer.

Ty the football player comes back next week. I can only hope it's so he can find comfort in Lucifer's arms.

The football player was kinda pathetic. The beefy security guard, who when asked,"What do you desire", said YOU (Luci). Now HE could come back.

And why is it that the greatest fallen angel and keeper of the netherworld is SURPRISED at homosexuality. You would think Luci-M-star would ALWAYS have a handsome guy in the menage.

cuz then it would be too gay *shock, gasp* oh no! can't have that, let's throw in some tits and ass, gotta get that pussy.

When "Lucifer" is good, it's very very good. And when it is bad, it's terrible.

Last night's show had both extremes in it, imho.

Good, kill Detective Douche.

Love Trixie and Maze.

Lucifer not taking advantage...oh, my.

Missed Amenadiel this week.

Luci, it appears that Pinocchio is gonna turn into a real boy...

The best part of the show is how Lucifer and Maze are so completely clueless about interacting with children. Maze pouring the little girl a drink at the bar was the best scene in last week's episode.

LOVED THAT!

I'm a bit sad they're making Lucifer more and more human. Him being a supernatural bad bitch is a good thing. I understand the whole humanizing plot from the story point of view but I'd like to see Lucifer be really bad and not the pussy he is now. The only evil thing he does seems to be banging loads of girls which is just sad. The Devil probably wouldn't mind sucking a few dicks either.

Hey east coast how'z it goin'?

Why are they reshowing the Pilot tonight?

NCAA Basketball Final, R273. No point wasting a new episode against that.

Yeah, I had no idea why there was no new episode either.

Hollywood Reporter just announced Lucifer renewed for second season.

YAY!

Let's hope it does better in its sophomore year than "Sleepy Hollow" did.

Shirtless Lucifer alert tonight!

Tom Ellis is so dreamy!

I called that when she shot him.

Yes you did.

An interesting development.

I wish they gave Michael Welch more to do in this episode, like maybe a post-coitus scene in bed with Lucifer.

If anyone else had gotten naked in a pawn shop like that, they'd have been arrested (given the police were there).

Weird how they played that so blasé....

Loved him singing.

Loved that Maze did the dirty with that other angel whose name I can never spell. I'm guessing Lucifer isn't the only one changing.

Amen-adiel; Amenadiel.

I'm disappointed that the irritating ex is still alive. I thought for sure he was going to be killed off.

What was Maze waiting for, like the beginning of time to now, to fuck Amenadiel?

I think Luci will go and retrieve his coin now that he knows that the reanimated cop can't kill him.

Won't be pretty.

What the fuck was #TeamLucifer about?

It is more than obvious that they have run out the special effects budget on the show.

We will never again see the wings with claws that Amenadiel brandished in the pilot.

Shit, it's bait and switch. What the fuck is this show about now?

I loved tonight's show. Can't wait for the finale next week.

OK, so it was a set up. Sheesh.

Amendude has seriously crappy timing. I was waiting for Lucifer to kill Malcolm.

Great setup for next week's finale. And probably the best episode since the premiere.

Dopey. Tries to hard. Tiresome.

R293 = Dopey. Doesn't know the difference between "to" and "too". Tiresome.

You got me 294

So Malcolm goes to Hell, Maze uses the divine feather to heal Amenadiel, Lucifer goes back to Hell and discovers that MOM has escaped?

And Dad wants her back there?

Was the writer of the comic book Lucifer a MORMON by any chance?

I really love this show.

I really hope it doesn't pull a Heroes/Sleepy-Hollow though. I want it to have a GOOD second season.

My biggest complaint is that at some point they need to establish that Satan can be a real son of a bitch, not just keep falling back on the eye flash and the occasional red monster head bullshit. He needs to rip out and eat a still beating heart or light a nun on fire, or something. Even that "what is your deepest desire" routine is one step above a Toyota salesman asking "what do I need to do to put you in this Prius today?"

So, in an interview with the creators, apparently Maze not being around at the end is significant. Apparently a demon cannot heal an angel without there being... consequences.

Also, the whole "Mum" escaped hell thing is original to the show and not in the comics. MUCH of this season has been based in the comics, but they're going to be breaking new ground in season 2.

And R298, part of the POINT of the show is that most people's assumptions of who and what the devil is, are wrong. He isn't evil. He PUNISHES evil. So no, he's not about to rip out and eat a still beating heart, let alone light a nun on fire.

I'm not completely sure but I don't think Lucifer has ever been called "Satan" on the show, making me think that Satan is completely different character for this "universe." The Old Testament Satan is more of a prosecuting attorney (in the book of Job) who basically accuses mankind as not being worthy of God's love. In the New Testament, he tempts Jesus into proving that he is the son of God when Jesus is out on his forty-day cleanse in the wilderness. Lucifer's main "crime" was refusing to bow down to man and serve him.

So, who else thinks that "mom" is named "Lilith"?

R300, given the lore surrounding Lilith, I'd say it's a certainty.

R298, the show isn't about Lucifer being a "bad-ass", exactly the opposite really.

Great first season, imho.

Looking forward to season two!

R300 lol i was just about to ask who the hell "mum" could be, but lilith makes a lot of sense.

So, this is the first week without Lucifer.

When did stations adopt the abbreviated English half season?

R304, it was a mid-season replacement. Half-seasons are typical for those.

Woa, I just finished complaining about the shitty writing and it turns out one of the main writers is Neil Gaiman.

Neil Fucking Gaiman who has written for Doctor Who.

He wrote The Doctor's Wife which is one of the most amazing episodes.

Neil works better in an alternate universe. The fantastic other world.

I bet the word PALMETTO gives him ass cramps.

Season 2 Comic-Con trailer. New stuff starts after 90 seconds.

If Mum isn't Lilith, then the Gnostic Sophia is an option, though I think that would go over the heads of most of the audience.

You can see at IMDb who's playing the mom.

Good scene from episode 12 ...

not enough nudity this episode. but, damn can Tom rock a song.

So glad this show is back. Tom could sit there and read from the phone book and I'd listen. I adore his accent.

R311 He sure can, damn.

I can’t believe they cancelled this! What is fox thinking? The Mick, Lucifer, The Exorcist, Last Man on Earth.

r314 I came across some discussion about how garbage it has become in this more recent thread so this doesn't surprise me.

Now excuse me while I go bawl my eyes out in The Exorcist thread...