Would we have called them Jaleb or Culie?

Old time soap fans don't combine character names. It's simply not done! Here's an interview with Susan Marie Syder (Julie). When she talked about Michael David Morrison, it made me tear up. I know, MARY! I just adored them so much. I always wanted a guy like Caleb. He was my dream. Not Holden!

[quote]My co-star, Michael David Morrison, died from a drug overdose. They replaced him the next day. That was pretty traumatic. The part of me who made "Julie" real, was deeply in love with the part of Michael who played "Caleb." It was very difficult to separate that out.

I had a boyfriend who looked like MDM's twin. First guy to make me cum "no hands."

Of course this was years before I watched ATWT.

He had the most beautiful brown eyes I've ever seen.

Were the Dobsons writing ATWT at this time? Soap pundits help!

I think that is pre-Dobsons. I thought the Dobsons were writing when Tom was Justin Deas.

Here's a trippy interview with Bridget Dobson, who claims that she and Jerry made Guiding Light number 1 and CBS were so disturbed by GL dethroning ATWT that they transferred the Dobsons to World Turns in order to get it back to the top spot!

[quote]Needless to say, P&G was happy to have GL the number one rated soap. But there was a problem: it was never anticipated that GL would or could be number one. ATWT was supposed to be #1 because of the way it was positioned in the line up, because of its time slot. It was to be the tent-pole, the lynch-pin. Years of research (and decades of storytelling) supported this. Guiding Light was, at best, supposed to be #2, in part due to trickle-down ratings theory. By bringing GL to #1 we had unwittingly sowed chaos in the corporate world. And GL was #1 for months. Executives were tearing their hair, but being careful not to let the Dobsons know of their concerns (except retrospectively). We were popping champagne corks and they were drinking hemlock .

[quote]Simultaneously, it was time for long term story projections (the bibles) to be written for both shows. Jerry and I wrote the GL story projection, and our bosses loved it. The headwriter on ATWT wrote their story projection, and our bosses felt it was inadequate. ATWT's headwriter and the Dobsons were asked to swap shows. (!) They asked us to bring ATWT up to #1, where it had been for so long. There were money issues. And ego issues. And loyalty issues. Another complication was that the headwriter of ATWT was exhausted, didn't like the deal etc.

[quote]The upshot was that, after resolving all issues, as we the Dobsons took the helm of ATWT, the other headwriter took over GL - but he insisted on taking a month's vacation before he worked again. So, Jerry and I wrote both shows for one month. Two hours of dramatic air time a day, approximately sixty characters, an average of 200 pages a day, seven days a week. My head hasn’t stopped spinning yet.

So which HW moved from WT to GL?

Marland is who traded with the Dobsons.

And his GL was one of the best GLs, right?

And eventually he brought ATWT back up to number 2, but only for one week, IIRC.

I always thought that the actors who played Caleb and Casey could be brothers.

I remember an article from SOD a few years before MDM's death. It was about him and his wife and how they were "party animals" and that was just the lifestyle they wanted for themselves. He seemed to be a functional alcoholic/drug addict. I think I was only about 9 or10 years old at the time and I thought it was the weirdest thing.

I think they did end up settling down a bit when their son was born, but as sad as it was, it was no surprise he died of an OD while he was with another woman.

How can you be a party animal on the rigorous soap schedule? It catches up with you eventually, especially when there are like 80 pages of dialogue to learn. MDM should never have died, if only he could have known how much he meant to us all. So many male soap actors are just brainless studs, but he had a soulfulness. Oh god, now I'm going to cry.

I've really been enjoying the summer 1989 storylines of World Turns on youtube. Lucinda is trying to get 'that godforsaken kid' Duke back to Seattle and is working with Julie to do a number on him. Julie pretends to be pregnant and then finds out she actually IS pregnant. As always, it's a thrill to watch Liz Hubbard devour every bit of scenery in sight.

When I sit on the toilet, the head dips into the water.

That's amazing r13. I wish they P&G would make HQ versions available somewhere.

That fabulous bitch and her gangling daughter from Another World fly into our Turning one and attempt to steal a couple of twins! Kim Hughes is not having it and freezes out Miss Donna Love before leaving the room. Donna's expression says it all! Kathy Hays & Anna Stuart - we love you!

I loved the Paul Ryan of the 80s with his mood swings, his puppy fat and his vulnerability. So many happy memories of the characters on this show. Thanks for this thread!

R11

He was with another woman when he OD'd ??

I'd never heard that part.

Damn! That would be a hard pill (pardon the pun) to swallow.

Someone mentioned Cady as Rosanna in the previous thread.

I always enjoyed her as Dixie but she was a revelation to me as Rosanna.

She was just excellent.

I sobbed like a ninny when Rosanna's son died and she literally crawled into his empty crib.

Cady's chemistry with Hunt Block was off the chain.

Everyone knows they were fucking in real life and their scenes crackled and popped.

You're right r19. Cady was so different from Yvonne Perry that I thought it would be a huge casting mistake on the Susan Batten-as-Connor level.

But Rosanna had been gone for a few years and Cady really took the character to a different place. And I had no idea she and Hunt Block were fucking. Wow! What a disappointment Jon Lindstrom would be to me after that. Hunt is a sexy man.

Who were Bridget and Michelle's parents, Jake and Vicky? And they died? Why would Molly get their kids?

Molly was their stepmom, she was married to Jake.

Andrew Kavovit was great as teen Paul Ryan. His friendship with Andy Dixon was so authentic.

And in case you were wonder WEHT Andy Kavovit, he was on "Shark Tank" with his young daughter:

I suppose a show that would kill Vicky instead of Molly wouldn't think twice about giving Vicky's kids to that POS Molly.

R20

You didn't know about Hunt and Cady?

Lord, honey. Hunt was married with kids. They lived in the country and he'd commute to NYC.

Then he took up with Cady and the two of them moved in together in the City.

He and Cady were hot and heavy.

After a 2-3 years they split up and he went back to the wife.

Hunt was the best Craig IMO.

Time moves on. Cady seems blissfully happy with Jon.

[quote]Hunt was the best Craig IMO.

He was okay in every other role he had, and in general, I find him a better actor than Scott Bryce, but he never convinced me as Craig Montgomery, particularly in scenes with Lucinda. In those he was outstandingly, obstreperously, ostentatiously wrong.

I always wanted Julie to go up in Andy. Caleb wasn't bad, but Andy was spectacular.

To me Yvonne Perry is the only Rosanna and Scott Bryce is the only Craig. And oddly enough, I liked the recast Caleb.

But I preferred Seth to Holden.

Andy was a nerd. Caleb was just right for Julie. I'm glad that they ultimately stayed together.

Poor Lien. Andy is practically on the verge of raping her in all of those clips and she can't articulate her sexual issues to him at all.

The thing about Liz Hubbard and Lucinda Walsh was while she had an overwhelming masculine willpower and energy, she still had a woman's needs. She was so much more powerful than Joan Collins as Alexis on Dynasty. So much more.

Everything about Lucinda Walsh was just so intense and overwhelming. It's hard to put her into adequate words. The only two co stars who I felt really held their own against her was Larry Bryggyman and Eileen Fulton. The thing Eileen has is this hilarious girlish and mischievous charm, which was just the perfect counter to Liz's strident and aggressive approach.

I love(d) Lucy.

DARRRRLING!

Pussycat.

Lucinda loved to play with her eyeglasses hanging around her neck

Andrew Kavovit's Paul Ryan was the Jon Snow of the 80s. He had that kind of clueless look about him that was so cute.

Jensen Buchanan is joining Y&R.

Okay, about those classic episodes of World Turns - can somebody please tell me why Lily Walsh was the object of so many men's obsession? In the episodes I'm watching, she's married a broker and the guy doing construction on their cottage is in love with her, meanwhile Caleb was pursuing her and obviously, there was Holden and Dusty, and let's not forget the eventual arrival of Damian. Am I missing any?

R38 And you posted that here because.............?

It's a P&G thread, bitch. And Jensen was AW's leading lady in the 90s.

r25, I had no idea about any of that. I'd pretty much moved on from soaps around that time - they were all so horrible, so I guess I didn't keep up with the gossip.

His wife took him back after that!?

R42

Yep

R40

Wasn't Jenson on ATWT for a time following AW's cancellation.

Yes, Jensen was on ATWT as Vicky. As a ghost she led Jake and Molly to where she had had the twin babies at issue in the clip above.

Spence wanted Lily because he was nuts. Caleb wanted Lily because his brother wanted her. Derek wanted Lily as part of a plot with his father to get her money (but had a change of heart).

Dusty was her puppy love. Holden first hated her, then loved her. Damian loved her, but loved his family more.

You'd think Lily was Helen of Troy the way all these men flocked to her. Emily Stewart (Melanie Smith) was gorgeous.

[quote]To me Yvonne Perry is the only Rosanna

I thought the Perry's Rosanna was what Lily would have been like if Lucy Deakins had not been replaced by the simpering Martha Byrne.

Smart fans of AW and ATWT agreed back in 1999 to pretend Vicky and Jake never went to Oakdale.

And r41, "bitch," this is an ATWT thread. GL and AW have their separate threads. A new one about Bert Bauer (GL) and an old one with Therese Lamont's name in it (AW). So stick that up your vagino, "bitch."

There is no "o" in Jensen, R44.

There are too many soap threads.

The Bert Bauer max'd out at 600.

ATWT and GL were both discussed in that thread.

Let's continue discussing both here.

There's a new GL thread. It has "Spaulding" in the title. I didn't start it.

Heather Rattray was my first Lily, and I liked her a lot. I know it's unusual, but she's my "real" Lily. I was always thinking she might be a lesbian, too.

Listen r48 you little jerk, like it or not Vicky went onto World Turns, that makes her part of the whole cosmology and so if I want to bring up Miss Buchanan in this thread, I bloody well will.

Do whatever the fuck you want, R53. But don't expect respect for your choices.

Do you think I wanted Jake and Vicky to go to Oakdale? They didn't belong there. I don't believe iconic characters to a show should ever go onto another established show, only the players who would pop in and out of town. If Cecile had moved to World Turns, that would have been an easier pill to swallow.

The P&G soap threads have a history of being friendly and polite.

So please, both of you, knock it off.

Good old Nancy!

r56, you tell them Mom! Trolls, GET OUT of here! Because in two seconds, I'm going to flatten you!

Hilarious

Here's Michael David Morrison's last episode.

Jef Hamlin!!! I loved Courtney and Andy as a couple. If it were up to me they would have been the next Bob and Kim.

There is, FYI, a thread for AW:

And another for GL

Thank you, R62 R63.

I liked Jef Hamlin, too, R61. Is he the actor who got gay bashed back in the early '90s? No, I think that was Frank somebody. Does anyone remember the actor I'm talking about (he might have been on GL).

I would have enjoyed Andy and Courtney as the new Bob and Kim, too (Fuck MADD).

I'm watching another episode from 1989 and Kim has this line: "I don't give a tinker's damn about your feelings!" LOL

Why did they never put Lucinda and Duncan together?

I think you are thinking Keith Pruitt who was Julie Wendall's husband, r64.

[quote] I'm watching another episode from 1989 and Kim has this line: "I don't give a tinker's damn about your feelings!" LOL

MARY! Link Please.

Kim always did slay bitches left and right.

r68, play the clip from the 4:40 mark. Hilarious scene! She meets Duke for the first time and is visibly appalled by his lack of etiquette/good manners.

What a great episode! And including our sister Christopher Durham with all his great 80s hair!

Good stuff. Duke was such a little asshole wasn't he? And just seeing Caleb brings back all those feelings of desire. Seriously, you guys can have Holden. Caleb is my fantasy boyfriend.

Such wonderful acting. We ATWT fans were spoiled with that marvelous cast!

30 years ago today Jon Hensley started as the hunky Holden Snyder.

Yummy!

For Holden fans: happy 30th anniversary

"You say the past few months have been hell for you, well what the HELL do you think it's been for me?!"

Marie Wilson (the horrible re-cast Meg) has joined DAYS.

Despite having been on DAYS in the past, she will be playing an entirely new character.

They do that on NBC, R76.

Kim (to Andy): "I suggest you take a long, hard look at your li-- LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!"

I love me some Kim Hughes!

Fucking her sister's husband and taking AAAAALLLLLLLL the good cock in Oakdale!

You work it, hunty!

Wasn't Marie Wilson screwing around with Roger what's-his-name? Howorth?

We had such a good show to go home and watch at the end of the '80s through 1993. I miss it more than AW, which I always considered more "my stories."

Who cares, R80, about those two bits of MADDness? One was shittier than the other, though neither was as shitty as MADD.

Andy Dixon's signature gormless expression

The drunk Andy story was so great because Andy, Kim, and John were so rooted in years and years of story. And because every gayling watching assumed Andy was a drunk because of his secret homosexuality.

Oh, R83. I want to stick it in his mouth.

[quote]And because every gayling watching assumed Andy was a drunk because of his secret homosexuality.

Yep. Him and Paul had secret knowledge of each other's penises. I was sure of it. I'll bet Marland wouldn't have minded telling that story.

But then he got DEAD. And we got MADD. The end of soap opera for me.

It's a shame that they couldn't recast Andy with a sexier, hotter actor. He could have been a major player, but alas Scott DeFreitas just couldn't cut it in the hot, sexy department. That's probably why they brought on Duke.

R87 = MADD

Caleb in his brother's shorts: "I borrowed these from Holden's closet."

"I waiting up for Seth. Me and my Big brother have some stuff we want to talk about..."

[quote]It's a shame that they couldn't recast Andy with a sexier, hotter actor. He could have been a major player, but alas Scott DeFreitas just couldn't cut it in the hot, sexy department. That's probably why they brought on Duke.

I can't decide which is the stupidest statement in this paragraph.

No one was sexier than Andy except for MDM's Caleb. SDF was gorgeous, and he played the part so well. Duke was a fug.

R89 that looks like the beginning of a Falcon movie.

What I don't understand in these late 80s episodes is fugly Lily having about six guys obsessing over her at once. And not just any guys. HOT guys.

Agreed r91, Duke Kramer was a horrible gmone-like little runt, and an awful actor as well.

Lucinda seducing Craig (May 1986)

Also agree with r91. Duke was in no way attractive.

What is DeFrietas up to now? Other than taking care of his 17 children with Carly.

He's a stay at home dad.

Maura routinely praises him on Twitter.

Their kids are heavily into sports and he works with the coaches.

Elizabeth Hubbard has that Marlene Dietrich/Kristin Scott Thomas quality. Irresistible.

Scotty D turned out to be the straightest man in daytime.

Kathy Hays asked about her reaction to Maura 'coming' for Scott, as the host put it:

The young Kathy Hays. Mindblowing.

Paul was so adorable fawning over Emily.

Maura tweeted a pic of her and Scott. The caption read that today marks 17 years of being together.

I'm watching the episodes where James gets into Emily's apartment and attacks her in the shower. I won't spoil what happens next but the episodes are pretty brutal and thrilling. Doug Marland really excelled himself.

The fall-out is so intense...

The link R103 didn't provide

Why didn't Andy come back for the finale?

Does Eileen Fulton still have her cabaret act? I'd imagine her audience has mostly died off.

Barbara slaps the crap out of Tonio. Just had to gif this!

"Why didn't Andy come back for the finale?"

Because Chris Goutman is an ass who never understood the value of ATWT's history.

Is it Goutman's fault, R110, or MADD's? I remember one Thanksgiving or Christmas episode when she had someone pretend to play photographer at the Hughes' house. It could only be the return of Andy, right?

Nope. Just some bullshit she rigged up to stick it to Andy fans, the fucking cunt.

Is Goutman still married to Marcia McCabe ?

He cheated constantly while she dove head first into a bottle.

She's still pretty. I hope she dried out and finally kicked his ass to the curb.

r111, some of those female executive producers I've heard about on soaps are really vindictive bitches.

AFAIK, R113, it was MADD who destroyed Scott DeFreitas' career.

If R87 actually is MADD, I hope someone slashes you with thousands of knife cuts, you dessicated old vagina.

Liz Hubbard performing in Holland. She's a big celebrity over there, through ATWT.

How Kim restrained herself from smacking Andy in this scene, I'll never understand!

That was some good shit, R116. How is it Ryan Reid (Jeff Dolan) didn't become a household name (in soap-watching households, at least)?

r117, he was too conventionally attractive. You can have him. Michael David Morrison for me.

Loved the Kim scenes in this episode. It's interesting to see her interacting with Lucinda.

Guiding Light had San Cristobel, ATWT had Montega LOL

It was hardly a zero-sum game, R118, being a hot, popular soap actor.

Gorgeous tribute to ATWT, for somebody who turned to daytime drama after Dynasty was cancelled:

I wonder who that blogger is. Like him, I wrote daily recaps for Soap Opera Digest's AOL site around 1995-96. God that was a long time ago.

I'm now watching Paul Stenbeck's trial from November 1989. James Stenbeck's mother Greta turns up and every time she sees Emily, she shrieks "WHORE!" and/or slaps her across the face. Wonderful camp!

Anyone got anymore Michael David Morrison scans?

"Oh no, Joyce: I'm not coming to your wedding. I wouldn't come to your wedding even if you were giving away Robert Redford as a door prize."

I would love anybody who watched back then to tell me about the Dobson years.

At 16: 15, Kim says "kiddo"! There should be a drinking game for this!

That Kim/Betsy scene was eight minutes long. EIGHT MINUTES!

Was the food at the Mona Lisa any good?

r130, nobody came for the food!

Well, it was an Italian restaurant.

R129

I loved how long the scenes were on ATWT/AW/GL during their prime.

The scenes really resonated as opposed to the rapid fire pace of today.

The POV of characters could be explored so much better.

R122's post is lovely.

This one always stuck with me. "I used to dream about living there." I felt the same way.

[quote]Does Eileen Fulton still have her cabaret act? I'd imagine her audience has mostly died off.

Eileen is reportedly in very early stages of dementia.

r135, where did you read this? God, that's awful.

This hilarious scene was on Liz Hubbard's Emmy reel for 1990. Just when you think Liz can't get more wonderfully over the top, she surpasses our wildest imaginings. She lost to - WAIT FOR IT - that damn Kim Zimmer.

"Those SNYDER people! They're the bane of my existence! I will not allow them to interfere in the life of one more of my daughters!!!!!

r134, thank you for that. Both articles made me cry. MARY!!!!!

All I remember from the Dobson years was Tom and Margo and Mr. Big...a little Erie and Cricket and Craig and Betsy and Steve.

My favorite Tom was Greg Marxx. He was elegant, dashing, kind, clever, masculine, reliable. I always wondered why I was so drawn to him as a little boy, and found him so deeply attractive. I recently discovered he's gay. Maybe I had a sense for one of my own. It's all so wonderfully mysterious, the gay psyche, isn't it?

I also think Douglas Marland adds credence to the theory about creative genius and homosexuality. His female characters were so rich, his understanding about human nature so deep and dynamic, he was so deeply symapthetic to male characters and the torment of the heterosexual male subject trying to live up to his own expectations... all of this done in a way only a deeply sensitive artist with homosexual inclinations can understand.

R136 That was not a publicly known thing, but she was at the very beginnings of it when the show ended, which was why her screen time was so seriously curtailed. At that time it was chalked up to age, but about a year or so later she stopped doing some of her singing appearances and withdrew from social media, and a few of the NYC folks I knew who worked at the shows said that was why.

I don't think it's seriously advanced, she still has some level of lucidity, but she has help, I would imagine. Not an issue for a standard 80-something lady, but not a condition where one can sing old cabaret standards or do three days of shows in one taping.

R137 The fact that Liz never won for Lucinda is the second most egregious Daytime Emmy oversight/snub of all time.

Surpassed in my book only by the fact that somehow, Beverlee McKinsey, the most divine actress ever, NEVER got a nomination. (Hubbard at least won for Althea, another great role, on The Doctors.)

[quote] "I used to dream about living there." I felt the same way.

Though I grew to prefer ATWT during the early '90s, I used to dream about living in Bay City. I wanted to be a Cory and eat at Tops and Ada's new restaurant.

r145, there's another thread for you to discuss your Bay City fantasies. Get out of ours.

I love this scene of Lucinda coming onto Craig. She's like a piranha and he reacts like any prey that has been targeted in the wild!

R146, I started this thread, cunt.

Maybe you should be watching DOOL. It might better suit your IQ.

Don't you dare talk to me with that Ada Hobson mouth of yours, r148. I imagine you have a dish towel slung over your shoulder as you type these obscenities to me.

Hal died today in 2006.

The actor killed himself in real life.

He had battled depression through the years.

Many wondered if the very taxing scenes where Hal's daughter died were a tipping point.

The actor had recently lost both his parents

Benjamin Hendrickson was damn good. I never watched him without believing 100% in his acting.

r143, thank you. Is there an address where I can write Eileen a letter? Before her mind really goes, I want to tell her that I love her, and 'Lisa'.

Jennifer Munson's death was one of the most grueling and realistic soap deaths I've ever seen, so it would not surprise me if it was very hard for an already-depressed person to handle.

Now I'm thinking about how Dusty (alone) always called her "Jenny" and tearing up. MARY!

r152, the person who runs her Facebook page ("Eileen Fulton Fan Club") knows her quite well, so you might want to ask him/her.

Thank you for that r154. It's very important to me that I contact her so she knows that her fans haven't all died off.

The 1989 ATWT playlist stops before Caleb and Julie get together. I'm pretty depressed about that. I would love somebody to upload the whole storyline. Michael David Morrison and Susan Marie Snyder were two very captivating actors. Julie's pairing with Andy is painful to watch. He's such a whiny little jerk of a kid, I simply can't stand watching him in these episodes (he falls off the wagon too). I just need my Juleb fix!

Me again. Duke is getting on my tits too, calling John "Pop". You can tell Larry Bryggyman is thinking, 'How the hell did I end up with these two jerks as sons?'

r156, AsTheWorldStillTurns is posting new stuff almost every day on Youtube, and if that continues, Caleb and Julie aren't too far off.

I have to disagree with you about the Julie/Andy pairing, though. It was well worth it for the way John and Kim completely freaked out and both of their families and marriages were impacted. There's a great scene in the Hugheses' living room where Julie's abortion is brought up, and Nancy LITERALLY drops her jaw and clutches her pearls.

I know, the storyline Marland devised on paper reads well but Scott DeFrates is just not selling the storyline r158. I really am not convinced that Julie could fall in love with this possessive and sulky teenager. In contrast, I'm adoring the actor Andrew K who plays Paul and his infatuation for Emily, which is so believable and beautifully played.

Marland weaved such an intricate tapestry that so many variations of storyline were possible to him. He was truly powerful. I am currently watching Lisa and Julie's friendship blossoming and saintly Lien looking on jealously. It was by setting up moments like this that Marland could entertain whether or not he wanted to further examine what was merely being suggested. But it was brilliant.

Another delicious moment. Lisa and Julie are chattering away and Julie says sweetly, 'I've never had a real girlfriend before', then Lisa goes up to Bob and Kim and says, 'I love that girl, she has spunk' and Kim shoots Lisa the look of death.

"I really am not convinced that Julie could fall in love with this possessive and sulky teenager."

Oh, neither am I. She never loved him for a second-- just used him. It was fabulous when she dumped him for Tonio and drove him farther into alcoholism. Loved every second of it.

The summer of 91, when shirtless Andy took care of a Julie pregnant with Holden's baby is STILL masturbation material.

I wish Andy and Holden would have taken turns breeding me and knocking me up!

Julie did love Andy. But when Tonio showed her possibilities, how could she resist that? She'd been treated like a whore by everyone.

The episodes I'm watching, Heather Rattray has come on as Lily Walsh. It makes me wonder who else could have played the role. I would have loved to have seen Kristian Alfonso as a recast Lily. She had left Days around the same time Martha left World Turns. Really, the characters are pretty much interchangeable. Snotty rich kid meets local rough boy. I also would have liked Robin Christopher to have played Frannie because she's similar to Julianne Moore. It's weird seeing a blonde Frannie.

watch it, kiddo!

r167, did you see r128? I love that she was even saying that in 70s episodes!

I do love me some Kim Reynolds Dixon Stewart Andropolous Hughes

It's Andropoulos, Toots. And don't you forget it!

Bob giving the eulogy at Dan Stewart's funeral

Mmmm...Jaleb and Culie.

I can hardly watch scenes with both Bob and Kim before they finally got together. It just seems so wrong.

It's so weird to think of Kim as part of the Stewart family and not the Hughes family.

It's also weird to think of Kim treating Ellen as her mother-in-law. Poor Patsy Bruder sure got aged as they aged her children and grandchildren.

That Kim sure got around!

For yesterday is but a memory And tomorrow is only a vision. But today well lived makes every yesterday a memory of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope.

Look well, therefore, to this day.

Was there ever an episode, a speech, in which someone actually used the words "as the world turns." Other than Dan Regent's daily announcement.

I was so hot for Steve Andropoulos.

Frank Runyeon was gorgeous.

r177, yes... when Frannie made her return (remember the original actress Julianne Moore? She sure dropped off the soap scene), Bob gave a corny speech and said 'as the world turns'. Here:

Thank you, R179. ATWT was an Aries (4/2/56). How close was that to the end?

That was earlier in the same year, R180. It ended 9/2010.

Thanks, R181.

Why the fuck do they concentrate on Katie and that fucking guy (I don't even know who the fuck he is) during Julianne's return scene?

Because the show had already been ruined beyond repair by that point, R183. Nothing would ever bring it back. Certainly not Kuntie Perretti.

Because by that time the show was all Katie, all the time, sadly. Teri Conn is a good actress (which she proved during the Brad Dies storyline), but I hate where they took the character and the amount of airtime she got.

The last day was 9/17/10.

The EP Goutman declared that Katie was the "sweetheart" of the show in one of his last TV Guide interviews before the show ended. That's why everything was about her (including Chris getting Reid Oliver's heart) so she would have a happy ending. However, they should've brought back Simon for that instead of having that actor from GL play Chris for a few months.

[quote] I was so hot for Steve Andropoulos. Frank Runyeon was gorgeous.

He was too effeminate.

R188

How the hell was he effeminate ?

It's "DL effeminate," R189. Easy to let go of, IMO.

A truly, truly, TRULY lovely interview with Liz Hubbard in this week's Digest.

The last paragraph just made me cry....I know.....

M A R Y!

Just imagine if CBS actually valued ATWT.

I like to imagine how things would have been different if Mr. Marland hadn't died.

Can you scan it for us r191?

She's 82!!!!

Thank you, r195! She is my idol!

She's the only Lucy I love.

I still tear up.....what a gift she is.

Glad that RetroTV still has the Doctors, though for now the recast Althea who looks like Bobbie Gentry is still on for a few months.

R198

I wish DirecTV carried Retro .

I was just a young gayling but I was so hot for Armand Assante

Susan Marie Snyder (Julie) legally changed her name to Zenne Serwadyn, and to say she's "gone Michfest" would almost be an understatement. Here's her video, "Women of the Womb" (not kidding) from her YouTube Channel, PureMotherLove.

Zenne herself doing her interpretive inline skating (again, not kidding).

Recent photo:

I'm happy to see Little Miss Seattle found herself :-)

Nathaniel Marston, who played Eddie, Margo's underage romantic interest, was critically injured in a car accident and his mom is posting about it on Facebook. Says no alcohol was involved and that if he survives, he'll probably be paralyzed from the neck down.

That news about Marston is so sad. I know that he had some issues following his OLTL (or maybe even during) stint. I wish him and his family the best.

You know that the temporary Althea whom someone mentioned above as looking like Bobbie Gentry was a Tony nominated actress, right? I get that Liz Hubbard is irreplaceable, but the late Virginia Vestoff was no slouch.

Vestoff? That's Abigail Adams!!!

The Latest on Marston....

He was to have surgery at 3pm today.

He's still on a vent but the doctors now say he might regain some use of his upper extremities.

The doctors say if he survives he'll need 2 years of extensive rehab.

Vestoff wasn't at all bad, and I kind of see why they cast her, but Hubbard was so divine it's hard to replace her.

And blond, smooth haired Hubbard was replaced by Vestoff, who looked like a GINORMOUS ginger Dusty Springfield/Bobbie Gentry wig was on her head.

More news about Marston, who apparently feel asleep at the whell and was not wearing a seatbelt:

Martha tweeted today.

She said people need to download the periscopetv ap because she was going to have a "surprise guest" at 5pE/4pC

I bet it's Lucinda.

They're working together on an online soap.

William Fichtner was on Empire tonight playing a pseudo David Geffen.

I've been a fan ever since he was ATWT's Rod Landry.

Fichtner pulled off the almost-impossible in making Landry a sympathetic character. The reaction of the Snyder family to his long-ago rape of Iva was so realistic: rage, tolerance, and everything in between. A perfect example of how Marland used gray areas to force his characters into constant self-examination. Is it okay to forgive? Do I deserve love? What is a family?

How did Rod Landry turn into Josh Snyder? That was a little before my time.

r213, he changed his name to Rod Landry in young adulthood because of his shame over his (legally unpunished) crime. So to people like Betsy Stewart and her family, he was "Rod," but to the Snyders and their friends he was still "Josh."

Thanks, R214. That must have been confusing, having two different names while living in one town.

Bad News Update for Nathaniel Marston

He took a turn for the worse yesterday.

He quit breathing twice.

He's still requiring a ventilator.

The doctors thought he might regain the use of his upper extremities.

They now say he will definitely be a quadriplegic.

Michael Easton has set up a Go Fund Me page and Kathy Brier is organizing a charity concert for him.

They should let him go. It's what I want if I'm ever in such a state.

R217

According to his mother the doctors presented him with that choice.

Even though he was on a vent and unable to speak he "communicated" to them he wanted everything done.

This was the day after the accident.

Now his mom says they're having difficulty waking him up post surgery.

It's really tragic.

I saw a preview for the new series "Chicago Med".

One of the doctors is played by the actor who played Margo's oldest son.

His name escapes me.

Margo's elder son was Adam, R219, who was played by Craig Lawlor, Matthew J. Morrison, Matt Cavenaugh, and Tom Degnan, none of whom is listed in IMDB's credits for CHICAGO MED?

Could you be talking about Will Munson, Hal and Barbara's son, played by Jesse Lee Soffer? He plays Detective Jay Halstead on CHICAGO P.D. Jay's brother, Will Halstead, is a doctor on CHICAGO MED. He's played by Nick Gehlfuss, who looks a lot like Jesse Soffer. Here's a pic of them both. Jesse is second in from the left, Nick is on the right.

I'm laughing at myself because I have that damn inline skating video's music stuck in my head.

It's catchy, isn't it, r221?

Thank You!

It was Tom Degnan

Tom Degnan is on LIMITLESS. How did you see him on CHICAGO MED?

Just watched a YouTube video of Caleb and Josh swimming at the Snyder pond together. Caleb had on a tight blue speedo. What a bulge on that man. Jeez!!

he dead

MDM was so hot and boyfriendly at the same time. A druggie boyfriend, but still hot.

Holden in 1987 was the absolute sexiest of sexy men of all-time!

Hasn't Michael Park been outed about a hundred times?

R225, do you have a link? Or if you don't have a link, what is the name of the video?

It's from sept 1, 1988

Sorry I don't know how to post links

[quote] Sorry I don't know how to post links

Are you ninety years old?

Bulgy McDeadpants and Rod "Big Tool" Landry.

Sept.1, 1988

What an awful spring for ATWT in '93.

Michael dies in February. They put a memorial onscreen for him on March 3 and 3 days later, Doug Marland dies.

Peck and Conn at the big Days shindig last night. Both fundie hypocrites. In another DL thread, someone claimed that Conn was on FB voicing her support for not funding Planned Parenthood. Funny how adultery is conveniently forgotten by these fundies.

Is Trent Dawson married ?

Teri Conn posted a pic this week of she, Austin,Trent and a woman.

They were all holding kids.

I know 4 were Teri's so were the other 2 Trent's and the woman ?

Henry was straight but pinged. I have no idea about Trent.

I'll try...

Wow, just went to Terri (Conn) Peck's FB page and she *is* a total fundie! Sadly, she's also slowly turning into Melissa Gilbert:

It's not like she has a career so w/e

R234 Trent got married to a woman 2 or 3 years ago. I remember seeing a photo somewhere of it and that the actor who played Dr. Oliver was a guest. I can't remember if other cast members also attended....it was in CA, I believe.

R235

Why did I click on that link ?

I can not unsee the cut of Lily's swimsuit around her pubic area.

So Terri married that fellow fundie bimbo Austin Peck?

Has Terri's ex-husband come out yet?

Nathaniel Marston has died at the age of 40. RIP.

Terri Conn is a Huge Cunt.

You need to do an ebay search.

There are official video collections for ATWT.

There's a lot of variety: Oakdale holidays, the Lily/Holden saga, James Stenbeck's story, etc...

These are professionally official collections. They also offer collections for GL.

There's too many to link.

Terri Conn is a Huge Cunt.

It bears repeating...

Michael David Morrison's last episode. To lose him, then Marland, it was like the end of the World.

Thanks, R246. So sad to lose them both that year.

My first boyfriend looked so much like MDM, I've never been able to not think of him anytime Caleb was on.

Terri Conn - HUGE CUNT!

Preview for the web series Anacostia starring Martha Bryne and Elizabeth Hubbard.

Some cable channels started airing The Doctors a few months ago.

My company doesn't offer it.

A guy I follow on Twitter has started uploading episodes to Youtube.

His YT username is MRGH80s

The amazing Elizabeth Hubbard played Althea Davis on The Doctors.

So I'm walking down 11th St and heading onto 6th Avenue when I stop to take a picture of one of the small old cemeteries that are around when someone behind me yells out"I think they are all out of room!" And I turn around and its Kathleen Widdows(Emma Synder) She was a character. So funny and so nice. She told me how she got in trouble one time for kissing Jon Hensley on the mouth in a scene. I said who could blame you and she laughed. Again a treat to run into her.

I would love to go back in a machine and try to seduce Michael David Morrison

The Paley Fest is now offering for purchase the cast panel ATWT did post cancellation.

[quote] Preview for the web series Anacostia starring Martha Bryne and Elizabeth Hubbard.

Are they really the stars? It looks like it's a black series.

R254

I believe they are the stars but it's an ensemble show.

Martha says she wrote the role especially for EH.

Today six years ago was when the ATWT cancellation was announced.

Ugh. I can remember receiving an email alert at work from some entertainment website announcing it. I knew it had to happen (the show was so awful by that time and had been for a few years), but it still upset me.

I was at work when it was announced. I knew it was coming and had just watched GL die, after becoming very involved with THAT show...so we kinda all knew.

Still sad, though. Though ATWT really sucked at the end. Fucking Katie Peretti's snatch.

Kathy Brier gave the eulogy at Nathanial Marston's funeral

His mom asked her to post it.

When I can find the link I'll post it.

It's a beautiful eulogy.

I was shocked to learn that at one point they were lovers in real life.

They kept that under the radar--at least to me.

Here is Kathy's eulogy to Nat:

MARY!

I see this video and think, wow, how did I not realize at the time this was filmed how sick Terry Lester looked?

He had terrible teeth at that point. And bad Linc and bad Margo. Iva and John dating. KMH as Emily. You can see why Doug was just about to completely overhaul the show.

How long did Barbara and Hal stay together? Who are the kids?

r264, they were on and off from the mid-Eighties until Hal died. Jennifer was conceived by Barbara and Darryl Crawford in an adulterous affair, but was raised as Hal's child. Will, born several years later, was the biological son of both Barbara and Hal.

I wonder if Barbara ever gets to Chicago to visit Will, who's a cop up there these days.

Barbara and Hal were getting married in Kentucky so those kids were his nieces and nephews.

Thanks, R267. I guess Tess was off doing some indie flick in Zanzibar or Greenland.

I know no one remembered Glynnis O'Connor as Dee Stewart by then, but she was also just too damn short to be Margo. Just like Lindsay Frost was too tall for Betsy. It isn't enough to look like the previous actor.

Lindsay Frost was about a million times better as Betsy than that whiny baby Meg Ryan. I didn't even mind the height thing, because it felt appropriate-- like Betsy had *finally* grown up.

[quote]And bad Linc and bad Margo. Iva and John dating. KMH as Emily. You can see why Doug was just about to completely overhaul the show.

Was he? Is it known what his plans were? Bad Linc and Iva were gone by the end of the year, and bad Margo only a little while later. Of course KMH as Emily stayed on and became a cornerstone of the show.

I'm curious about what he wanted to change.

Doug said he had gotten too far away from the core families. His last major moves included bringing Lily back with Damien. I am fairly sure he wrote the end to the Debbie, Hutch, Linc group before he died.

And then there was Carly, R272. Or was she a product of the new regime(s)?

Carly was after Marland's death.

That doesn't surprise me, R274.

Glynnis O'Connor couldn't handle the pace of the hour ATWT after doing movies, tv movies for years. You either sink or swim and she had the smarts to realize that. She also had trouble playing 'tough' as Margo after Margaret Colin and Hilary Bailey Smith. Ellen Dolan who I would never have taken for 'tough' either, made it work for her.

Did Marland have any input when it came to recasts? Linc #2 was so awful and unsexy - a big departure from Linc #1 James Wlcek, who I've always read here was a Marland favorite.

Any truth to the rumor that Carly Tenney was in the story outlines bible that Marland left behind? Apparently in early 1993, he had written projections for well into 1995.

Rosanna was a Marland creation and all the seeds for Carly were already in place with Marland. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Rosanna-Mike-Carly was in his outlines to replace the Debbie-Linc-Hutch stuff. He certainly had the Orlena story outlined and the malpractice suit outlined...though those both went off the rails without him to follow through.

[quote] I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Rosanna-Mike-Carly was in his outlines

You know Mike was. Remember his first scene, carrying the tire, shirtless, like that exceptionally hot tyre guy who was gaybashed to death (UK, IIRC, on account of "tyre"). No surprise that Andy's seeming obsession with Mike came from the pen of a gay male. Andy-Mike-Rosanna would have been such a better story than Rosanna-Mike-Imitation Janet Leigh.

[quote] He certainly had the Orlena story outlined

Really? Poisoned lemon drops (or was it postage stamps?) came from Mr. Marland? Was he becoming Alzheimers-y?

[quote]and the malpractice suit outlined...though those both went off the rails without him to follow through.

Orlooney [italic]began[/italic] off the rails. Lisa suing John? Andy being forced to testify against his father? That was as good as soap opera got.

Herb Ritts' "Fred with Tires," after whom Mike Kasnoff I was modeled.

I adored Rosanna once Cady assumed the role.

She fleshed out so many layers with Rosanna.

Cady's Rosanna and Hunt's Craig had me glued to the screen.

[quote]I ignored Rosanna once Cady assumed the role.

[quote]Cady's Rosanna and Hunt's Craig had me glued to OLTL.

Fixed. How anyone could have sat through even one scene of MADD's "Oakdale in Exile" is a source of endless WTF for me.

R283

You're an awfully testy little twit.

I am no MADD fan but I really enjoyed Cady & Hunt's portrayals.

You do realize more than 1 HW wrote for them don't you ?

Cady was a revelation as Rosanna. It made me wonder how amazing she could have been as Marley on Another World (opposite, say, Cynthia Watros as Vicky?)

R285

WOW! I never even thought of Cady as Marley. She would have been really good IMO.

I worshiped Anne Heche as Vicky/Marley.

You realize the EPs had all the storytelling power at P&G, R284. Actually, I guess you don't.

I never liked Cady as Rosanna. It was just a completely different character. Just like Craig, just like Dusty, et al.

Scott Bryce was the ONLY Craig.

Agreed, r289.

I never liked Rosanna until Cady played her (the other actress acted like she was constipated or something). I thought she was great with Craig. It was when Rosanna was paired with Paul that her character went off the rails (as did some others when they were paired with Paul). She lost her smarts, her edge, everything that made her interesting. He wasn't all that.

I read This Day in Soap History every day via Twitter.

I was shocked to learn that DAYS Peter Reckell began on ATWT as Eric Hollister.

He was the brother of Brad Hollister.

I have no recollection of either character.

Anyone else remember them ?

Supposedly Brad was involved with Lisa.

[quote]It was when Rosanna was paired with Paul that her character went off the rails (as did some others when they were paired with Paul).

Paul, AKA Podd? He was no more Paul Ryan than I was.

Brad Hollister was central to the silver mining story and was involved with Annie and Dee Stewart.

Happy birthday Elizabeth Hubbard!!!

DARLING!

Let it be Christmas. In Oakdale.

and Happy Birthday Martha Byrne!

PUSSYCAT!

Carson Daly FINALLY married the daughter of Colleen Zenk/Mark Pinter.

They married yesterday after 8 years and 3 kids.

Wonder if Mark/Colleen were able to remain civil with each other?

Michael Fairman posted a new interview with MB and EH.

They discuss their new series, ATWT and their personal relationship.

r298, isn't she Mark's daughter with his previous wife? So she's CZ is her stepmom?

CZ is her stepmom.

CZ and Siri are still friendly, but Mark and Colleen, not so much. But that's what happens when you cheat on your wife, give her an STD that gives her cancer, then cheat on her some more while she's getting treatment.

He must have the dick of death. He was a handsome man in his day.....and his sons are all hot.

^^^^

Any pics of his sons ?

Are they actors too?

CZ was the loveliest homewrecker of all time. She was cute and think she could have gotten at least half the cocks in the business if she wanted to. She made a big mistake with that cunt Pinter but you get what you deserve. I hope she fucked Paolo Segante as a revenge screw. He was much hotter than Pinter and far more dangerous.

4 part miniseries (The Southside) released today with quite a few soap stars.

Ellen Dolan

Kevin Mambo

Fiona Huchison

Bronson Picket

Nicolas Coster

Miriam Colon

Kevin Mambo was in that play where Tonya Pinkins just quit it.

"Secure connection failed," R304.

Any news on Van Hansis and Jake Silverman?

I'm still huge.

At the tone, the time will be 10 and a half inches.

DONG.

DONG.

DONG.

In your dreams, Jake, in your dreams!

Remember Zimmer's teen son who briefly played Luke?

He's grown into quite the hunky adult.

He's in TNT's summer series Animal Kingdom and the trailer looks amazing.

Lot of handsome men opposite Ellen Barkin.

DONG.

Michael Park singing at this weekend's BroadwayCon

Pendulize me, Jakey. All the dong-long day.

Can we talk about Caleb and Julie please? Jack and Carly are banned. Anything post-1993 is not wanted here.

R315 for Patron Saint of Oakdale.

May I add, no Katie Peretti, town bicycle, or Janet Whats-Her-Snatch.

NO MOLLY CONLON, EVER. OR HER COUSIN.

Did Van ever suck Jake Silbermann off? Van gave lots of blowjobs at that Brooklyn studio. Heard that Van is definitely a swallower.

Yes, R319.

Eileen Fulton was notorious for stinking up the bathroom at the studio. She must have had a terrible diet. Everyone knew not to go into the bathroom after she had been in there. Pee You! She let out some nasty excretment!!!

Van was a lucky bitch.

R321 She acted like her shit didn't stink. However I knew she was hiding a secret.

R321 clearly is NOT Kathy Hays. Kathy would have gone to Eileen and said, "Listen, toots."

R321 is clearly that awful Juicy Janet woman, the one with no class!

Eileen created soap p.r. and gossip. Kathy Hays is too elegant for words.

Patsy Bruder - what a downer in the early 70's; when they finally got rid of her two 35 year old sons, Dan and Paul, they let her hair down a bit and de-aged her, making her the mother of only Annie and Dawn.

Eileen was a nightmare! Her shit stank!!!!!

That was a rumor started by Liz Hubbard.

At the show's end, Rosemary Prinz as Penny should have walked around the square clutching her teddy bear.

Liz Hubbard used to walk in to the ladies room after Eileen stunk it up. Liz would then say "Oh, Darling". Eileen had really smelly shit.

Hey, vile shit troll: It wasn't funny the first time. Or the second.

Darlings! Can we get back to business?

Noelle Beck was the hottest Lily but Martha Byrne was the best. How she fucked Damian in real life is beyond me. She must have given the best blow jobs in the business. She married some boring Irish American guy. Going back to her roots was a snooze fest romantically.

Back in the day, Jon Hensley and Grant Show lived together. Can you imagine being their roommate? I'd have blown them both, multiple times a day!

I need some Holden Snyder cock, please

new AW thread

Anyone ever wonder what Chris Goutman's up to?

Cady McClain tweeted that he's now an author.

His book "The Way Out" was published last month under the name C.P.Goutman

R335 He teaches at NYU and I believe he directed an off-Bway show last year.

Goutman has cheated so many times on Marcia McCabe. The poor dear, continuing to put up with him. But she hasn't worked in years so I guess that as long as Goutman funds her alcohol, she's happy.

He's preparing to roast in hell over killing ATWT.

Why, who wants to know?

He'll be in the same rotisserie as MADD and FMB, R338.

one of the best Craig Lucinda scenes ever!

at 37:38

oops forgot link!

Why was Colleen Zenk Pinter such a cunt to everyone? She had issues with so many co-stars.

I've been trying to find the episode where Lily and Rose meet for the first time (Rose is performing as a showgirl). Any tips on how to find it on YT? All I can find are one or two clips with Dutch subtitles...not all the Rose/Lily scenes or a full episode. TIA.

R343

I'd try looking up Rose on wikipedia.

It would give you when she first appeared.

Then I'd search ATWT by month/year on YT.

Who cares about anything that happened during ATWTACT?

Did someone say they wanted to see Caleb in a speedo?

For me it is more fun to watch Marland mine decades of Kim-John-Andy story for juicy drama. (And poor Casey on his way to the Grim Reaper.)

I've never heard Colleen was a meanie; she played a great bitch - doesn't mean she was one.

as far as combining names goes, I'm just glad it wasn't around when Phillip and Beth were a couple 'cuz they'd be 'Philth'

What an excellent year, 1990, R346. Kim was dealing with Andy's mishegas *and* Bob cheating on her with Susan. Thank you so much.

I'm watching the 1990's eps on YouTube also (thank you, AsTheWorldStillTurns!!!) and my God was that soap at its very finest. Even the characters I hadn't remembered as being very interesting are fascinating to me now. Sean and Frannie had wonderful chemistry-- they should have done a lot more with both actors. (Plus it's really fun watching Lily go after Sean.) Blake and Jessica, too. They were just hanging out at Jess' and the conversation turned to how painful it was that people in their lives thought that they were "trying to be white" just because they were ambitious and successful. These are the kinds of conversations you NEVER see on soaps anymore, and it's why no one watches.

And here we get a hairless Scotsman...are there really such things?

R350

Swan has a gorgeous hairy chest.

He also still looks hot as hell.

Swan was fucking Robin Quivers of Howard Stern fame. I think he went broke at one point and had to declare bankruptcy.

He's not bad at ALL for a man in his 60s.

Unfortunately, he's a serious right winger, which kills any boner I have for him.

Is he with Finn Carter now or something? Several people who posted things to his page said stuff like, "I thought Finn might like to see this" and "Where's Finn?"

Colleen was a raging bitch. She made sure that her dressing room was far away from the other cast members dressing rooms. When Ben Hendrickson offed himself, she was so phoney in her "grief". No wonder that Mark Pinter abandoned her. She is a real piece of work. Truth.

Sounds like she needed Aunt Kim to give her a "kiddo" talking to!

I heard Mark cheated on her; that's not the same as abandoning

Mark cheated on her, gave her the virus that gave her oral cancer, and then cheated on her AND left her when she was being treated.

That's abandoning, and if I ever saw him, I would kick him in the nuts.

Colleen is fabulous and warm. Nothing at all like her character. Which probably means Kathy Hays tears the wings off of flies, but let's not ponder that.

She tore off Glenn Ford's wings.

Sorry, but Colleen was a raging BITCH!!!!! A nasty, nasty person. Just a true bitch.

Just watched a Jaleb sex scene-- so hot!

Didn't Zenk and Hillary Bailey Smith loathe each other?

I had a boyfriend whom Michael David Morrison resembled big time. We were over by the time I started watching WT, but I always enjoyed MDM, especially when he was wearing practically nothing. TMT.

Colleen's real battle was in the early 80's with Jacqueline Schultz. Those two were being played off each other. Schultz at the time, had more power.

Yes, Zenk and Margaret Colin got along really well, and Zenk never warmed up to Hilary Bailey Smith in the same way, which pissed off HBS. But Zenk was generally well-liked. Mark Pinter was not.

Zenk was NOT well liked. She cheated on her husband with Pinter. Pinter and Zenk were universally disliked on that set.

Pinter's daughter married Carson Daly. What a wonderful family. I can imagine Carson being all real and calling him Dad The Cad.

I never took to Kayla from Days playing Sierra. I always thought Finn was quite good in the role. She also had a sublime beauty that unique on soaps. If she is fucking Swan good for her.

I remember the big build-up for Sierra before she ever appeared on the screen. Lucinda always talked about how brave she was during the revolution, blah, blah, blah. I bought it wholesale, and was so disappointed when she finally appeared. She was this soft-spoken, almost mousy person who was not brave at all, much less a heroine. What a huge let-down (I was young). I preferred her later incarnation, who had some personality.

I thought Finn was perfection in the role. Can't understand why they didn't bring her back, but then again, watching her work with Hunt Block instead of Scott Bryce would have been sickening and broken my heart, so...

Ask Jackie Shultz about Colleen, and you'll get an earful.

I liked Mary Beth Evans as Sierra. So much better than the wimpy, wispy Finn Carter with her odd teeth.

I actually saw Jackie Schulz and Larry Bryggman in the Detroit airport when I was a kid. Got Byrggman's autograph.

Colleen and HBS fought because HBS is fundie and gave Colleen grief for hooking up with and marrying Mark - both Mark and Colleen were married to others when they got together.

And I'm on Team Colleen - HBS is a known cunt and stirred up shit at OLTL, too, with costars there.

I'm not on team Colleen. There are many, many people from the ATWT crew/actors who will dish on Colleen. The woman was NOT liked at all. Couldn't keep her legs closed and was a real beeeyatch.

I suspect the anti-Collen troll is the same person as the anti-Beverlee troll in the other thread.

R358, I agree about the 'abandoning'; previously, it was written (at least I read it as) she 'deserved' to be left, which she did not. Nor did she deserve to be cheated and certainly not given the cancer via the cheating.

People can be team Colleen or team Hillary (I think one of Margo's slaps was as real as possible); people are both good and bad; no one is always good.

I think we can all agree that when CZ and HBS were on screen together it was magic.

go to: 6:12, this was the best stuff...

But....my opinion is the only one that counts!

(j/k)

They should have spun off Luke, Reid and Noah onto LOGO for their own soap.

Pretty sure that Colleen and Maggie Reed detested each other as well.

R376 There are multiple anti-Bev trolls on the AW thread. I can see ripping Colleen for her personal conduct with STI king, Pinter. Maybe she was a back stabbing cunt.Otherwise she did a nice job on the show. She also remained quite attractive throughout the years.

It seems like an endless list of people that Colleen had conflict with. Hmmm, seems like Colleen is the common denominator. She's obviously the one who had issues, beginning with her cheating ways.

R379 I would've watched that. With Richard and the long-scarfed professor, there were at least 5 gay men in Oakdale. And ex-step-grandpa Brian could come back to town to make it an even number!

Maybe they all disliked Colleen because she was so beautiful?

Colleen looks exceptionally beautiful in this scene; I think Hillary looks pretty here, too.

No, Colleen and Maggie are friends. I follow both of them on social media and they often say hello to each other.

So I'm to believe some hated Zenk because she and Grant had an affair, fell in love, divorced spouses and got married?

Some may not have approved but it wasn't some fling. They were together for almost 2 decades.

I'm confident 99.9% got over it and accepted it. Only a wingnut or a personal friend of the spouses would hang on to that.

I could swear there was bad blood between Colleen and Margaret Reed. I know that Colleen was quite close with Martha Byrne and Michael Park. Did Colleen ever share scenes with either of them?

Zenk did seem to get along well with all the kids offset. The fact that she did not get along with some women who were not on the show all that long and were competing with her for screentime in their age bracket...and she survived them all indicates to me that Colleen wasn't the problem.

I almost died when i saw Don Hastings and Marie Masters walking together in the west village in 1991. It wad a warm summer night and I had just exited the old uncle charlies bar on Greenwich. It was my first time in a gay bar and I passed the two of them as I walking along Christipher Street. That was some night.

ZenkCheater, oops, Zenk Pinter was a goddamn cunt. Trust me. The staff could not stand her.

Zenk Crouch Cheater Pinter And she cheated on Crouch! Siri must be SO proud! lol

r391/r392=drunk Andy.

Work it, Lucy!!!

Martha Byrne's Lily played into the frau fantasy of being romantically pursued by hot guys. No way someone like Martha Byrne would have attracted a Jon Hensley or Brian Bloom or Paolo Sergente IRL.

"No way someone like Martha Byrne would have attracted a Jon Hensley or Brian Bloom or Paolo Sergente IRL."

Um, she did sleep with Segante in real life, so...

They made Lily more dowdy than they needed to later, but I think Martha Byrne was attractive, and had that all-american girl look when first involved with Holden. TV and movies are all about someone getting the fantasy mate -- look at all the average to below average looking men who had the knock-out love interest. It was a requirement for CBS sitcoms for awhile.

Not many romantic interests would be a match for Hensley at the peak of his hotness (except for maybe Brian Bloom or Paolo Sergente).

I think there would be plenty of men who would go after Lily because she was an heiress.

I agree.

I just watched the episode with Casey's wake. So many things in this that show Marland's brilliance. First, he delayed Casey's death so the audience would have time to get used to Ellen Dolan as Margo. Casey's parents were already real characters even though they lived out of town. Everyone's reaction is different and completely rooted in their histories (including Lien's Buddhism!). And Doug brought Josh and Meg back for the funeral (because Meg had trained as a nurse under Lyla, of course) and Meg had (justified) suspicions about her sister-in-law Julie (who she was just meeting for the first time). We didn't see them, but everyone was talking about Bob and Kim and Susan, who Tom reported all came to the wake, though Susan cleared out before Bob and Kim got there.

So good!

People talk about "umbrella stories" now, but ATWT back then WAS an umbrella, all the time, continuously, for years on end. And that's what it takes to make a great soap.

Agree. That's why I switched from the ABC soaps all those years ago to watch ATWT, because it was an ensemble, not a show putting a lot of its efforts into a character (Erica Kane) or couple (Luke and Laura).

Then ATWT turned into the "Carly" show and kept many characters in little bubbles with few interactions with members of their own family or long-time friends....any attempts at an umbrella story failed....no wonder the show tanked.

Ugh, that hideous Carly character played by the insufferable MW. No comment.

r400 and r401...MARY!!!

Martha Byrne's greatest life achievement as landing Paolo Segante in real life. She was cute at best and he was hot. She must have been an acrobat in bed. I had a good looking friend who was with a bland looking woman. He told me that in the sack she was every man's fantasy.

PS and MB still remain friends after their marriages and the like. I wonder if she ever blows him for old time's sake.

I had no idea that Les Moonves' first wife was the real life daughter of the actress who plays Susan.

I just read that yesterday.

She must really hate him. He left her daughter for Chen and he cancelled ATWT.

Paolo Seganti looked as if he blew his nose into his hand, then raked his fingers through his hair. At least once an hour. Seriously, he was one dirty-looking motherfucker.

Thanks to the other Carly haters. Sometimes I think I was the only one.

I loved Julia (Annie Parisse). The entire room at college cheered when she punched Carly in the stomach and then kidnapped her at gunpoint (I remember this distinctly because it was a couple of weeks before 9/11).

"Then ATWT turned into the "Carly" show and kept many characters in little bubbles with few interactions with members of their own family or long-time friends....any attempts at an umbrella story failed...."

IMO, they did do *one* great umbrella story during those later years: the Jennifer/Gwen baby switch. Almost every single character was involved in some way, and Jennifer Landon, Jennifer Ferrin, Ben Hendrickson, Colleen Zenk, Michael Park, Jesse Soffer, and-- yes-- Maura West did amazing work. The writers and actors made one of soap's most eye-rolling cliches fresh and heartbreaking.

Boring as watching shit dry, R410. So far below "MARY!" standards, I might as well call you "BILL!"

I agree with r411.... the fact that r410 is trying to sell post-Marland ATWT as anything but the shit it was makes me want him to hand in his gay card immediately.

First things first: there should be no mention of Carly Tenney on a thread about Julie and Caleb.

I have to seriously question the taste level of anyone who thinks the baby switch storyline was good. Even though the actors did their best to sell it, it was total garbage and obviously a ripoff of the far more successful and entertaining AMC storyline. I don't deify Marland the way others do, but it would've been 100x better under his pen.

"I don't deify Marland the way others do, but it would've been 100x better under his pen."

Well, obviously. I do worship Marland, and yes, overall the show was "shit" in its last years. I praised one story, not the show as a whole. I hate what they did to it.

"Lisa sues John; Andy is forced to testify against his father" was the only post-Marland story that worked. Richard Culliton was listed as headwriter.

Say what you want about Goutman and Passanante, but ATWT was the only one of the more recently cancelled shows (talking about GL, AMC, OLTL, AW) that did not gut its core. Whether that was them or P&G, the show was at least recognizable when it went off the air.

Maybe, R417, if you started watching in 1995.

Post-Marland, Lucinda was defanged by having her make up with Holden, absolutely destroying the character. Lisa disappeared nearly completely. The cunt brigade fired Andy Dixon. And where was Emma, at Janie Porter's every day?

And worst of all, the show was turned into As the World Turns around Carly Tenney.

Please, spare us any further analysis.

I would add to r418:

1. Kim Hughes, once the host of the classy "Patterns" talk show, was turned into a purveyor of reality-TV sleaze, urging Katie Peretti to get as down and dirty as possible for ratings. Kim Hughes would never do this.

2. Lyla Peretti was turned into a cruel, overbearing mother who forced her child-- Katie Peretti-- to compete in degrading child pageants. Lyla Peretti would never do this.

3. Nancy Hughes was turned into a "mentor" and BFF to-- you guessed it!-- Katie Peretti, even after Katie falsely accused her grandson of rape, then lied about a hit-and-run accident that could have killed Nancy. Nancy Hughes would never do this.

Now what was that you were saying about the show revolving around Carly?

In an interview a few years back, William Fichtner who played Josh Snyder made fun of Doug's writing. He was asked about his time on the show, and he said that soap writing is awful and joked that his character was all fucked up because he had killed a dog or something.

To have somebody mention Carly (or Cuntley as some of us preferred to call her) in a thread, and a thread about the heavenly Julie Little Miss Seattle no less makes me feel very depressed.

[quote]In an interview a few years back, William Fichtner who played Josh Snyder made fun of Doug's writing. He was asked about his time on the show, and he said that soap writing is awful and joked that his character was all fucked up because he had killed a dog or something.

I remember shortly after Invasion ended he was bashing the writing on that show. He might have had some valid points, but how he stated them made him come off as a bit of a pretentious whiner.

Fichtner should keep his mouth shut. He got a lot of good press for his role on ATWT.

Lyla Peretti was gone by 1995, wasn't she?

Lyla was gone by 95, yes, I thinks he left in 94 when Craig came back, but Sward came back for a few shows circa 2000 to work with Katie; She looked great; wished she had been back for more.

at least GL did its best to give happy endings all around: Ed and Holly (no Roger!) off on a cruise; Phillip and Beth married, Rick and Mindy about to be married; Josh and Reva together -- ATWT gave NOTHING to Lisa. And Noelle Beck offered to step aside and let Miss Martha come back and finish up Lily, but TPTB never made that happen.

Btw, does anyone know if Sward's singing is on CD? I'd love to get a copy of 'I Think That they're Playing Our Song'

"Lyla Peretti was gone by 1995, wasn't she?"

She came back a few times as a prop to show how "emotionally abused" Katie had been by Lyla. Never mind that we'd watched Lyla for years and had never seen her be anything but a caring, down-to-earth mother. Who knows why Anne Sward agreed to do it? She doesn't seem to need money. I would've told them to go to hell.

ATWT didn't use Eileen Fulton much because she kept plugging up the studios toilet. I don't know what Eileen's diet was, but, whew, the stink that came from her bowels! ATWT never wanted her in the studio much because she kept plugging up the shitter. True story.

Lyla was such an annoying character. And her singing...sheesh! I've heard more pleasant sounds at night coming from the cats that occupy the alley next to my building. I think she was originally brought on as a love interest for Bob Hughes, but that never panned out.

Eileen Fulton's farts coming out of the studio john sounded better than Lyla's singing.

I must have stopped watching; didn't see Lyla's 2000 ish return to see how she'd been re-written. sigh.

There really was nothing like the 80s and early 90s.

When Babs wanted Lucinda to buy out Simply Barbara (in case she went to jail for killing James -- who wasn't even dead), Lucinda says to Babs: "But Barbara, darling, Simply Barbara simply wouldn't be Simply Barbara without Barbara."

Fuck you Marland worshippers. He couldn't wrote for shit. Recap. Eavesdrop. Wash rinse repeat. Bill Bell...now there was a god among headwriter worthy of adoration. He was the best. Nobody comes close including your beloved Marland.

Ignore r431, that's the Beverlee McKinsey Was Awful troll who has been going around countering all the loving appreciation for McKinsey. Now he's coming after Marland? Not on my fucking watch. He won't rest until the entire Proctor & Gamble lineup is discredited.

Bill Bell was a closet queen, you won't convince me otherwise. I refuse to believe the man responsible for this was a heterosexual:

[quote]Bill Bell...now there was a god among headwriter worthy of adoration.

Yes, it was so wonderful each time a character would walk into a scene, go over to her scene partner and explain what her relationship was to the scene partner, as in "How is my darling wife this morning?" every fucking time Victor would kiss Nikki at breakfast, AS IF WE HAD NEVER WATCHED THE SHOW BEFORE.

Dreadful writing. I could never watch the show for more than a week or two at a time.

And let's not even get into the show about an LA fashion house WITH NO GAY EMPLOYEES. Yeah, Bill Bill was such a better writer.

R420

I hate to hear that Fichter slammed his time at ATWT.

I have been a huge fan of his ever since he played Josh.

That whole storyline of Josh/Lily/Iva was just spectacular.

Any idea what publication he made these statements in ?

And Josh's issues weren't based on the death of his dog (WTF??).

He had been physically and sexually abused as a child.

R420, I'm sure if you ever talked to Fitchner one on one, he'd have some nice things to say about ATWT.

I find that talent tends to respond to the reporter asking the question: You were on a SOAP? REALLY? Then, the talent speaks disparagingly.

But if it were asked: "Wow, you were on one of the best soaps during one of the best writing eras ever! Did you like it?" He'd respond differently.

r436, I don't know about that. Some actors just look down on the genre, no matter how well-written the show. Look at Larry Bryggman. He would constantly put down soaps. He recounted a story of a lunch meeting he had with some P&G bigwig in the early 70s in which he complained about the writing and ways to improve it. The P&G guy essentially said their objective is to sell laundry detergent to housewives and that the writing didn't have to be any good. And this was when ATWT was the golden child and #1 in the ratings! The only time I ever heard him say something nice was when he was the best actor Emmy circa 1987 and he praised the hard-working cast. I think he appreciated his fellow actors, and I know he took Scott DeFreitas under his wing, but I think he ALWAYS felt the writing was just inferior. Probably the same thing with Fichtner.

check out this scene between Hubbard and Fichtner

Lucinda (nee Mary Ellen Walters) goes to visit Rod Landry (nee Josh Snyder) while he recovers from surgery, having taken a bullet while rescuing Miss Lily from JameszStenbeck.

Joe Breen notoriously dissed his run on ATWT, saying he spent all his time standing around at party scenes. As if he was never given anything meaty to play.

Then years later, in remission, he said he'd love to come back.

Has Meg Ryan or Marissa Tomei ever talked about their time on ATWT? I think that it was so fucking classy of Julianne Moore to return out of pure love for the show and former castmates. There was no agenda, no motivation to promote her latest film, just pure altruism on her part. A real class act. Seriously.

R440, ITA; she told one of the soap mags when promoting GAME CHANGE the reason she went back was because "I love those guys."

Julianne Moore talks about ATWT days.

R432 There were many anti-Bev posters. I like Marland's work especially on GH, William Fichtner has a point. However he's not Olivier not even in the same book.

R442 Such a classy woman. When Tomei and Meg Ryan were too busy to say goodbye to ATWT, Moore did. I love that woman paying homage to her roots.

The show should've invited Patricia Bruder back. Next to Eileen Fulton's treatment, the way Bruder just disappeared from the show without explanation was just awful.

They definitely should have invited Pat Bruder back. As for Eileen, they didn't use her a lot because she used to plug up the studio toilet with her excrement and it ran into a lot of $$$$ to unplug the pipes. She had a terrible diet. They didn't want her in the studio too often.

Marland did the murder trial with a mother/daughter angle 3 different times: Lesley/Laura on GH; Jennifer/Amanda on GL; and Kim/Frannie on ATWT.

On GH, Laura accidentally killed older lover David Hamilton after he taunted her, saying Lesley was the one who really 'turned him on.' Lesley came upon the scene (Laura blacked out the memory of the deed for a while) and decided to take the blame. The D.A. found a portion of a ripped up love letter that said 'nor Rick must ever find out about our love' (something like that). The D.A. presented it at trial and Lesley confessed to spare Laura.

On GL, Jennifer killed Lucille in self-defense. Amanda didn't know she was Jen's daughter; Mike Bauer put the pieces together and it came out at the second trial, causing Amanda to miscarry Ben's baby.

On ATWT, Marland really perfected the story. Kim came into a room and saw dead Doug on top of Frannie, assumed that Frannie had stabbed him to death with the crystal cylinder (great choice of weapon!) and lied that she had done to save Frannie from being raped. Doug being impotent and the entry wounds didn't match Kim's story, however. At trial, Frannie recalled that Doug had been killed by Marsha Talbot.

Doug Marland was brilliant; he knew kids watching soaps were lucky to get 'don't slam the door' from their parents. When they watched his stories, kids saw parents who really cared for their kids.

R439

I can understand Breen having negative feelings.

TPTB fired him when he found out he was poz.

Whoever posted Marie Masters' daughter Jenny was once married to Les Moonves is wrong. I think she was married to a hot guy on a CNBC show about the stock market??

No, Breen asked to be let out of his contract. He wasn't fired. Don't believe anything Breen says. He is a lying, hypocritical, born again weirdo.

R450 Agree. Breen was/is a MESS. He's as crazy as ever.

Breen was so much better on GL. His chemistry with Michelle Forbes was off the chart.

Breen was married to a woman and had a kid, no?

R453 That doesn't mean that he didn't also fuck men.

R449

Monvees was definitely Masters' son-in-law

R453

Yes, Breen was married with kids.

He was also am IV drug addict

He later re-married to former wild child Carlene Carter (June's daughter)

They are both 'born again' and perform together.

Can we talk about the actor who played Caleb, Michael David Morrison, the love of my life?

Yet ANOTHER gorgeous man they had fawning over the plain, insipid Lily.

Carlene Carter and Joe Breen. And their little dog, too.

R436 Martha Byrne plain? Perish the thought! She had good chemistry with La Hubbard but the look differential between Liz and Martha was too large to make it totally believable. Hubbard looked regal , Byrne looked like she walked around with shit in her pants.

Agree with R445 about Patricia Bruder. When the show celebrated its 50th anniversary at the Paley, she was in the audience but was not acknowledged. I felt bad for her!! She was on that show almost half of their 50 years!!!

I heard that Michael David Morrison had a big cock. Too bad that it dried up so soon.

Did MDM top Byrne? If he did she must have some sort of golden pussy.

Oh my god, sign me up:

WW for R462, darlings.

Lyla was singing at the Mona Lisa one time, a lot of Oakdale is seated and in shadows listening to her as the spotlight literally is on her.

I'm watching it and I see these two elbows constantly sticking up and then going down as this woman voraciously eats a salad while STILL looking up at Lyla giving her full attention.

I thought only Liz in the shadows could steal focus from a singer with a spotlight on her.

I just watched that ep the other day, r464! Thought the same thing!

R465, can you post a link? I can't find it!

Hubbard was your typical hambone "look at me" actress. Kathy ays could act rings around her, but Kim wasn't a showy character so Kathy was overlooed at Emmy time.

Yes, Liz Hubbard was a scenery chewing ham in the Kim Zimmer vein but you need those types, just as you need the Kathy Hays and the Maureen Garretts in contrast.

Ms. Hubbard acted like that because Lucinda was a larger than life character. If you watch her performances on the Doctors, you will see her as Dr. Althea Davis playing very quiet, very nuanced scenes beautifully, and you can't take your eyes off of her. I can't imagine what Doctors fans thought after seeing her play that to watch her as Lucinda Walsh since most soap actors play the same type of character from show to show. The two characters are night and day.

She could be OTT as Althea too. However, The Doctors, especially in its earlier years, had a highly theatrical quality that went well with Hubbard's stagey acting. I have to say that she had more chemistry with her ATWT leading men like Bryggman, Bryce, and Wiggin than she did with the guy who played Nick Bellini on The Doctors have seen some eps on retro and I really don't see any chemistry.

Would Buck rather have had Liz Hubbard play Beth? She was a U5 in the grown-ups' party scene.

"[R465], can you post a link? I can't find it!"

r464, I've been watching four or five eps a day from 1990 since ATWST started posting tons a day, while also bouncing back to 1986 every few days. Don't think I can find it, but I'll try.

thank you, R472

R455 Moones was never married to Marie Master's daughter. He had two wives - Leslie Westerfield and Julie Chen. Emily Harris is Marie's daughter, born I think in 1969. So give it a rest.

Where the hell is Colleen Zenk Pinter these days?

R475

She's very active.

She tweeted this week about several jobs she has lined up including something with DeNiro.

Hasn't she gone back to just Zenk yet?

Colleen looks like Jill Farren Phelps. I wonder why she hasn't been hired by Y&R.

E478

You need your eyes checked.

Sometimes they have similar hair, R478, but the resemblance ends there.

A lot of people had Zenk atop a short list as a replacement for Jess Walton when Walton hit a contract negotiation snag a few years ago. Zenk could've brought back the character's raw sexuality reminiscent of Brenda Dickson that Walton was never really able to conjure. A sexy Jill would be a major player on today Y&R if Zenk had taken the role.

Saw an episode of ATWT where Zenk was listed as Colleen Zenk Crouch. Just how many times has she cheated/spread those legs? Sounds like her life is a better soap opera than old Babsy on World Turns.

Her best look, by far:

r482, she has beautiful legs to spread.

Nah. She's had some nasty people between those legs.

R484

Colleen really rocked that short hairstyle.

I always wanted her to go back to it.

It highlighted her great bone structure and amazing eyes.

go to 6:12 on this clip to see Colleen looking beautiful at 8 in the morning, not a hair out of place.

The living picture of what every woman would love to look like -- just once in their lives.

Anyone watching HBO's new series Vinyl ?

Annie Parisse is in it.

She looks amazing and is fierce in her role.

James Douglas, who played Grant Coleman, has died at 86:

RIP James. I always thought they should've made Henry as Grant's son or grandson, which would have allowed James to easily slip back onto the canvas near the end of the show's run to reunite with Lisa. That would've given Eileen Fulton the send-off she so deserved.

I wonder how many of these former soap stars still jones to get any role that opens up on the few soaps that are left. Must be depressing.

One time Grant came back was for ATWT's 30th and he had brief interaction with Lisa who was dating Earl at the time.

I believe Harding Lemay really liked having him on AW as Elliot Carrington; he referred later -- not by name -- to an actor who left the show and was hired for more money on another P&G show. That fits with the time he became Grant on ATWT. Here's a scene from 50 years of Soaps featuring Eileen and James and the great bitch who played Joyce.

I always thought Grant was Lisa's true love (not counting Bob).

They should have definitely brought him back for a few days at the end.

Grant could have swept Lisa off her feet and they could have left on an around the world trip.

Aw, wasn't Eileen just lovely in that segment? You could tell she was having a wonderful time presenting that clip. And the Robert Redford line!!! That was the Dobsons, correct?

Watched ORDINARY PEOPLE on encore Saturday evening and caught Elizabeth Hubbard's name in the end credit scroll but never noticed her while watching the movie, so rewound through it and caught her in the party scene. There was never a clear shot of her from the front, just from the side, and I believe she only had one line, so I found it odd she was listed in the end credits along with others who had a more substantial part.

She was in more than 1 scene, douchebag.

Meg Mundy was in OP with Liz also.

Liz Hubbard and Van Hansis were nominated today for Daytime Emmys in the web series catagory.

My favorite Lucinda scene of all time from this clip, at the 1:58 mark. Lucinda shrieks at Ambrose over Ellie Snyder potentially coming between a Craig and Sierra reunion.

"WAAAAAIT FOR IT!!!"

Interesting - former ATWT performer who was fired when his AIDS diagnosis became public is talking about it and making a movie about it. Always liked this guy and this seems to be coming from a very good place.....

Yeah, if Breen really wants to peddle the "I was fired" story he is in for a world of lawsuits.

I only heard recently that Breen wasn't fired -- that he chose to leave. I'm open to that being the truth. Who knows? I wouldn't have given up a job that paid and had healthcare, however.

R499, the Thanksgiving miracle of Sierra's return was brilliant. Having her presumed dead opened up opportunities story-wise for Craig; once his portrayer, the marvelous Scott Bryce, chose to leave the show it was ideal to bring Sierra (Finn Carter) back to usher him off the canvas.

The episode prior to this -- Lucinda seeing Sierra alive was one of my favorites. I swear Liz Hubbard is adlibbing questions to Finn in character about where she's been and I see Finn keeping pace nicely coming up with answers. I think she was one of the actresses who handled Liz's adlibs much better than others did.

[quote] Yeah, if Breen really wants to peddle the "I was fired" story he is in for a world of lawsuits.

Uh...from who? There's no Telenext left.

I don't think that's what his story is about, anyway. But ain't nobody home at P&G who would give three shits, even if it was.

we stopped caring about soaps in 1998

TRUTH BOMB, right there. ^^^

And yet you're somehow in a soap thread, r504 and r505.

Being a "born again Christian" married to a Country singer is the only reason I can think of for Breen to peddle he doesn't know how he contracted AIDS.

He was an IV drug addict at the time.

It's not rocket science.

R504 R505 should be renamed Dulls Of Our Lives or As Those Wienies Turn. I'll never understand these soap hater cunts. They are the first to judge meanwhile they flock to the presenting holes threads like flies go to shit.

I found a great YT channel you need to bookmark.

It's called "As the World Still Turns"

They have episodes from as far back as the 1970s.

They upload new episodes every night at 11pm

They're up to 1996.

Been watching every night, r509. ATWST is awesome, but I live in fear that P&G will have those episodes taken down. They won't, will they? I mean, is it even worth their time?

R506 didn't get it.

R509 This is fabulous! I get to watch 1983 episodes I've never seen. Thank you!

R510

I'll be furious if they take them down.

DAYS is the absolute worst for doing that. I swear they employee someone who deletes stuff every day.

On Twitter I've found some people who now put no DAYS character or show related words in the title.

You'd never find them if you weren't given the videographer's name to subscribe to their channel.

Yes, R506 missed the point.

Remember ATWT's alien invasion storyline from 1999? A bunch of visitors turned up from Another World! ATWT viewers were like, 'Who the fuck are these people?'

Darling!

dragging the soap mags?

"Dragging," R517?

I liked SOW until that bitch started spoiling in 72 point type.

Oh gawd. Brings back terrible memories of that cunt Torchin. She helped kill the genre with the stupid spoilers.

Je t'adore, R519.

Funny, the writer mentions that at R517. She must lurk here. I've only ever seen the Mimi hate here.

60 years ago today ATWT and EON debuted.

"Good morning, dear."

From the article at R517:

[quote]Weekly spilled the beans about a proposed storyline on ‘World Turns. Lisa Brown had gotten wind that the Snyder farm was going to burn down and, thinking that the Snyders were going to be written off, hit the panic button and leaked the info to Weekly, which ran it. Ironically, the plan had been to bring the far-flung Snyder characters back to the show. But, Laurie Caso was so pissed he killed the story.

Had Mimi started torchin' yet when Laurie Caso was still EP on WT?

Terri Conn - or Terri Peck, these days (former ATWT's Katie) is now selling real estate. I think her devout Christian husband is too.

Sadly, ATWT died when Doug died except for an occasional good arc (like Lisa suing Johnny Dixon; and some of the Hogan years).

I almost WWed R526 for his comment on the Lisa v. Johnny Boy lawsuit. But nothing in the Hogan years amounted to anything but cow piss.

Annie Parisse (sp?) is doing a bang up job on the new series Vinyl.

She looks fucking phenomenal.

Last week's episode even had AMC's Jill Larson.

So strange to hear her natural voice instead of Opal's

R526 is right. The first few Hogan years weren't bad, I think he had some people working with him that helped guide things, but then it went off the rails.

Does Annie Parisse have a starring role on the new HBO show? I always thought she was the bright spot of the Hogan years. I hated the Carly character and rooted for Julia to destroy her.

R530

She's a supporting character.

She didn't enter the show until probably the third episodes.

Bobby Canavale and Olivia Wilde are the leads.

They're married and he runs a record company in the 70s

Annie plays an old lover of Canavale. She works for a rival record company and he woos her away from there by offering her a partnership in his company.

Annie looks amazing and her character is really dynamic.

Really good show.

I love Soap Scholar's feed, he's deliciously cunty.

R532 He's a psycho who has his shrink on speed dial because he melts down quite often. Total asshole!

In Jane Elliot's interview with Michael Logan, she mentions that she was in discussions with Marland about possibly joining ATWT but then he died. Wonder what character he was planning to write for her?

I don't think it's ever been specified publicly, R534, but I know that Doug also was going to woo Jeanne Cooper away from Y&R to play Jane's mother. THAT combo would have been amazing.

God Bless, Jeanne and God rest her soul, but was Doug really going to make room for her on ATWT?

He already had Hubbard, Hays, Widdoes, Patsy Bruder was still popping up...and of course, Miss Lisa - Eileen Fulton herself!

Jeanne wasn't being used a lot in the early 90s; I think she had committed a big no-no by talking about the Braeden/Bergman fight (Eric attacking Peter) on a CBS news program around the Emmys and TPTB were pissed she opened her mouth.

But Jeanne was a smart cookie; she would know to stick with a long term thing at Y&R rather than jump ship.

Yeah, I can't imagine Jeanne would have liked ATWT very much, she would have been one of many. And she would have likely been a short term character, running a year or two.

Still, a delicious idea.

Jeanne claimed that she wanted to leave Y&R for ATWT, because working on the latter would allow her to go back to the stag/Broadway. That's what she said, don't shoot the messenger.

[quote] the latter would allow her to go back to the stage/Broadway ...

When did JC do any stage work in NY on Broadway?

Rest her soul, but Jeanne cut a lot of gassy, smelly farts. She could not have done Broadway.

Marland wanted Jeanne to be a re-cast Penny Hughes because Rosemary Prinz would not commit to a contract.

Pot & kettle r540.

We all know that when Mel lets one rip her fat flabby ass cheeks smack into each other and sound like an audience clapping.

Mary Kay Adams said once people in show biz say all the time 'oh, yeah, I'll create a part for you' and that Marland said that to her once at a P&G party; she was very pleased when he actually came through with Neal Alcott; I'm not sure if the original plan was for Neal to be killed off, which happened around the time Marland died.

His death really was the end of ATWT.

Oh, I loved Mary Kay Adams. "Why don't you stick to old man Lewis and count your blessings?! Do your biological twitichings in HIS bedroom!!!"

Zimmer was so sexy and pretty back in the day.

I'll never understand how she just let herself go like she did.

I can't believe what a right wing douche Michael Swan is.

"I can't believe what a right wing douche Michael Swan is."

Link, please.

Neal Alcott would have stayed if Mary Kay Adams wanted to stay. Doug begged her to stay. She wouldn't, he killed off the character.

[quote]Zimmer was so sexy and pretty back in the day. I'll never understand how she just let herself go like she did.

And the farting! Dear God, the farting!

Poor Jeanne Cooper had bowel issues. She never, ever, ever would have made it at ATWT.

[quote] Link, please.

His Facebook page.

I think he's one of the sexiest men I've ever seen, but he is a right wing fuckwit, sorry to say.

OK, whoever said on the "Famous people you've met" thread that they met Kathy Hays and said "Hey, Kiddo" is totally my hero and/or new best friend!

Mary Kay never should have left ATWT; as Lucinda's sister, she had YEARS in her and in that role.

She never should have left GL either. India would have stayed till the end and we might have been spared (God Bless her) Marj's heavy wheezing "ALLLANNN!"

I say 'never,' but hey, it's her life. she can do whatever she wants. I just really liked her acting.

India's last scene with Phillip was nice; it showed they'd developed a friendship of sorts; she still loved him. He accepted her. She says "I could Olivia a run for her money" - that simple line had so many levels.

The producers and writers were nuts not to go for more with her, but if she didn't want to stay...

I hear she teaches sign language now.

Mary Kay was and is fabulous. I agree, India had so much life in her, and we didn't even know who Neal was.

As much as I loved the whole Liz Hubbard/Mary Kay/Terry Lester thing on screen, the chemistry of the three of them, I'm not really sure I ever "got" why that storyline came to be. Or just got "it" in general. I mean, yes, I understood the story. But some of it just didn't click for me. And sad that almost everyone except for her darling Lily (and Sierra) seemed to slip away from Lucinda.

I think the power of the Neal Alcott character was that she was like an angel on this earth, seemingly a perfect person, and as such she could not have stayed long. Her function was to change Lucinda's nature and make her more lovable. It would have been wonderful to have MKA do both P&G soaps simultaneously and have the characters flit in and out of the shows. Maybe they could have turned out to be twins, or would that have been too absurd? India would have been horrified if her natural birth mother was poverty stricken.

on paper, Lester, Adams and Hubbard sounds like GOLD and maybe it was Doug's death, which happened around this time, but something about the storyline never took off for me, either.

I so wish Mary Kay had stayed at GL; it would have been great if her birth mother had popped up. (Faye Dunaway in stunt casting?)

The Spauldings went through SO many recasts -- there were three Alans, four Alexandras (if you count Lydia Brice), four Alan-Michaels, two Amandas, two Phillips (or, as I like to say, there was just one, sorry John!),

Mary Kay as Neal was fucking wonderful. She had a lovely relationship with Lucinda and a fun romance with Scott. The problems were that Terry Lester was not clicking with/against Lucinda or with a recast Emily. Royce should have died and Neal stayed on. But Mary Kay wanted out, Breen checked out, and Marland died.

Classic Caleb/Julie promo at 11:15.... Michael David Morrison is the love of my life. Susan Marie now runs a New Age commune or something.

[quote] Breen checked out

Breen was fired due to his HIV status.

Breen was not fired. Breen keeps telling that lie, but it's not true.

watch it, toots!

[quote] Would we have called them Jaleb or Culie?

That slut from Seattle?

I'm sorry that Liz Hubbard didn't win an Emmy last weekend, especially since she didn't win one on ATWT.

Did Miss Hansis win for East Riders?

R564 No. Miss Hansis lost. But Miss Hansis did present at the ceremony Sunday night, with the guy who beat him out for the emmy. Miss Hansis looked like he needed a bath.

So old lady Wagner kicked off 6 years ago. She didn't make it to the end of ATWT. When the old frau was on her deathbed, why didn't Goutman send in a crew to tape her saying "Goodnight, dear." I've never understood that.

r566 They only had nine months notice they were being cancelled. And you expect them to have planned out an ending for the show in such a SHORT amount of time. You're really demanding too much.

And frankly, it was really inconsiderate of Helen to go and die on them before taping the final scene. Who would have expected a 91 year old woman to just die like that?!?

That bitch Mary Fickett did the same thing to All My Children before it went off the air! What is it with the inconsideration of these soap Mama's who were in the original cast and then sidelined forever - to have the nerve to upstage the ending??

Remember Eric Shaffer Stevens' Reid Oliver?

I saw a preview for the second season of Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll and he's been added to the cast.

Good for him because I always thought he was talented.

And I'm still pissed ATWT killed off Reid.

ESS alone should have saved ATWT from cancellation. He was hilarious, took potshots at Kim and Bob and rocked in his chemistry with Princess Van.

Is Liz Hubbard family? What about Mary Kay Adams?

I know Terry Lester certainly was.

Liz's 1st hubby sold furs darling...pretty sure HE was family.

*Dan Region voice over*

"Children's clothing by Little Lord... Furs by Liz Hubbard's husband..."

Shut up you miserable old cunt Soapsuds. Asshole.

Liz Hubbard doesn't ping to me. But Mary Kay Adams? Off the charts.

R574 smell like poo

Fuck you Soapsuds, Miserable old cunt.

Ellen Dolen always gave off a lesbian vibe to me but I'm pretty sure she's straight.

I saw a HGTV episode last year and Ellen, her husband and daughter were wanting to sell their NYC loft.

She and her hubby were funny and demonstrative with each other.

They were selling to move to the country.

I also caught an episode where nuLily (Noelle) was charged with selling her parents' pied a terre in the Gramercy Hotel.

Very nice digs but in the end they opted not to sell.

Trent Dawson will be doing a short term role on GH.

He'll appear in June.

Trent is so great I might watch GH just to see him.

Trent started this week on GH and his arc is with Maura.

They look to be having a blast.

10 years ago today Ben Hendrickson killed himself.

That was so sad.

Many believed those Jennifer death scenes may have been a catalyst.

He'd lost both parents back to back and had a long history with depression.

Those scenes were brutal for sure.

Can't believe its been 10 years.

Very sad, R582.

Scotty Bryce has a full interview in this week's Digest.

I know we're not quite to 600 but here's the new thread.

I adored Julie and Caleb! Such natural chemistry

Met Michael David Morrison at a gay bar in NYC in spring of 1990. We spent a memorable night at the Helmsley Windsor Hotel where I was staying while in the city. Didn't know he was on a soap until he said, the next morning, that he needed to hurry to the studio because he was shooting that day. I joked, "...last night's shooting didn't count?" A few weeks later he accompanied me to Radio City Music Hall for "Night of 100 Stars 3" (May of 1990). We stayed in touch intermittently and it was only later I learned that he was married. He had a son later on and I sent a card and gift to them. He was sweet, funny, very sexy and endowed, and also seemed troubled. The third time we met, he struck me as someone floundering in the ocean, desperately trying to grab a life preserver. He died way too young.

R2 That's fucking hot.

How many times you bumped this thread in the past 5 years, R587?