Marcia Cross: 10 years after the controversy

Her character on Melrose Place was awesome!

It's hard to say with women because their sexuality is not as hard-wired. It's more of an emotional orientation than a sexual one. The reality is that being 'born this way' tends to apply more to males than females. I can think of a dozen examples of self identifying lesbians who spent more than 2 decades in the lesbian lifestyle and are today settled down in relationships with men. These were not your LUG (lesbian until graduation) types. In fact, a couple were gold stars who came out in their teens, but in their 30s (perhaps for biological clock reasons) got married to men and are now doing the '2.6 kids' thing. Bill De Blasio's wife is the classic example of this. This is somewhat of an 'inconvenient truth' for the LGBT party-liners because the premise they've always championed is that sexuality is static and genetically predetermined and therefore immutable. They're better off saying everyone has the right to love/have sex with whomever they choose without having to provide justification for it.

Supposedly her hubby is gay, too.

R2 sounds like a Log Cabinette

R2, from my experience, feminism is what causes many women to identify as lesbians for a certain period of time and then end up marrying men.

When I first heard about De Blasio's wife, I immediately knew she had been involved in a feminist group in the 70s and it turns out she was.

These women are not lesbians but they believe that their problems in life are caused by men so they often end up being feminist activists for a while until they meet a man who is not as bad as the others.

Feminism has ruined heterosexuality and lesbianism unfortunately.

R4, right-wingers like to bash feminism for everything they don't like but the vast majority of feminists do not identify as lesbian. Only 1% of women identify as gay, significantly more identify as feminist

She's straight. Trust me. I tried everything.

R5, most feminists are not lesbians but most lesbians are feminists.

Feminism has ruined lesbianism.

Who?

I chose "huh?" because I thought you were talking about the O.J. Simpson prosecutor, but I knew it had been longer than 10 years...

Stupid poll. Every celebrity according to Datalounge is gay.

I'm shocked to read that there's an entry in Wikipedia for Datalounge.

A lot of people eat fried food multiple times per day. If you count French fries, many eat them constantly.

Wrong thread, r12. Apparently your secret, massive consumption of fried food has affected your thread-comprehension abilities?

R4, none of the women I know who have 'switched teams' were particularly feminist or involved in feminist causes. Furthermore, aren't you just question begging by dismissing anyone who goes straight as not 'really lesbian to begin with'? How long does someone have to be a lesbian to qualify for that designation? Suppose a woman is a lesbian for 30 years and then meets and marries a guy, was she just confused for the previous 3 decades? Was she really straight that whole time, but thought she was gay, or is she really gay, but now thinks she's straight?

Yay, another bitter lesbian thread. We definitely need more of those!

I guess because Marcia Cross no longer has a career, this will just be a place for them to vent about the women who done them wrong.

How many times do I need to say it?

What R10 said!!!

eh I don't even care - i am just happy she brought me Kimberly in my formative years. I had a tiny dinky ass tv and antenna in my dorm JUST to watch melrose place.

R10 and anyone who agrees with him is an idiot.

When posters say something like that it means someone they want to be straight isn't and the frau fantasy they were living in is now ruined.

I'm also tired of the apathetic attitude toward coming out. It still fucking matters and anyone who stay closeted just for the sake of being a celebrity is a coward.

The answer is that they were bisexual the whole time, R14.

R19, so you're saying they were bisexual the whole time, but didn't know it? How does that work? When Bill De Blasio's wife wrote an article entitled I AM A LESBIAN, was she hiding a secret attraction to men?

Also, R4, if feminism ruined lesbianism, the Michfest womyn sure didn't get the memo.

It's obviously some type of repression, R20. Not that I get why women would repress heterosexual tendencies, but maybe it's like someone else said; they have some type of unresolved issue with men.

R4, you're getting all Camille Paglia on us.

Data Lounge had been dead for three years by the time 2005 rolled around.

Shit, one boyfriend died of a brain tumor and her husband almost died from cancer? I don't think the most pressing question is if she is a lesbian. Is she carcinogistic?

I have always put her in the category of John Travolta. Within months of that National Enquirer article that outed him, he was married to Kelly Preston.

The same thing happened to MC.

What I don't understand is why the gossip caught on in the mainstream. "Insiders" post gossip here every day, what was so special about that little tidbit? It makes me think there might have been something to it if so many networks were willing to report on it. It seemed plausible enough to them that Marcia Cross would come out as a lesbian.

You've got a point, R26. Maybe other sites already had other sources/stories they couldn't refer to, so they used Datalounge as a way to get it out there.

Desperate Housewives had super crazy press that first season.

R18, And I'm tired of your apathy towards the very real glass ceiling for celebrity status, is moot or not part and parcel of the same phenomenon bringing you the glass closet. Those who reach celebrity status do so because they have a "palatable" image and persona appealing to the widest possible number of people. There are deeper root causes for your not ranting over the extant non-civilians who have come out, and have failed to eradicate homophobia entirely from this earth.

Sure, rant about the closetcases once in a while, but devoting enormous energy and venom to them, when the same time and effort can be spent on helping the out celebrities to reach even wider, higher status of shining, virtuous "Heroism", and doing outreach to your neighbors and kins through each gay's own personal network (that has a far more affecting, personable "human face" of struggle than some faraway celebrity easily shut out by the in-group of a stubborn community) - is ignoring what really "fucking matters".

Totally agree with R29, again. Not sure if it's the same poster as R10 - but that's right.

R18 why are you entitled to know someone's sexuality just because they are a celebrity? It' IS a problem when they are voting against gay rights or speaking out against them, but Marcia Cross doesn't do that.

There is a generational divide here too - over a certain age, you've had more struggles with the closet than people born after ~1985.

"...why are you entitled to know someone's sexuality just because they are a celebrity?"

Well put R30.

A person’s decision to come out of the closet is a personal one and it is their choice and their choice alone to make. I understand the feeling that all gays should be out and proud but sometimes it isn’t that simple.

I believe things will get better in the near future and there soon will not be a need for anyone to be in the closet. Until then let’s just try and respect that everyone is on their own journey.

"It's hard to say with women because their sexuality is not as hard-wired. It's more of an emotional orientation than a sexual one."

Right. You keep telling yourself that while you suck another married guy's dick. Now, I'll go back to not thinking about fucking women and getting turned on by the thought of what they might taste like...emotionally, of course!

gay w/merkin.

Oh jeez Datalounge is just a fucking frau garden these days with all this earnest "why are you entitled to know someone's sexuality" crap. It's a gossip site Earnest Edna, we gossip here.

Not the same poster as R29, but agree with him or her a hundred percent.

R18 has some real mental issues. Obviously someone wants to live in a state of delusion. Sorry for breaking that for you, babe.

R14, it has been MY experience that a lot of former lesbians were not lesbian to begin with and started identifying as lesbians because they were involved in a feminist organization or because like someone else said, they had unresolved issues with men. De Blasio's wife was a 70s feminist.

Feminism has ruined women and lesbianism even for those who were not actively involved in feminism. Women started blaming men for all of their problems. If they were unhappy in life it was because of patriarchy. So many women ended up in lesbian relationships because of this. If men were the problem, then women were the solution. That's why we've always had a lot of fucked up lesbians in our community. They're not here because they love women, but because they hate men and the heterosexual society. Feminism helped create this problem. Instead of having women take responsibility for their own lives and their own failures, everything became about men and patriarchy.

A lot of lesbians dress like men and don't take care of their appearance because feminism has taught them that femininity is a patriarchal social construct. Feminism has taught lesbians to not only hate men but to hate themselves as feminine women.

Ah, R36 must be the lesbian who bitches incessantly about how there are never any beautiful lipstick lesbians for her to drool over.

Not that I'm not impressed at R36's ability to talk about the patriarchal social construct in the same sentence that she declares that there is such a thing as "dressing like a man," but it's pretty clear they're a troll. Anyone who says "feminism is what prevents women from being as pretty as I want them to be" is, by definition, trolling.

DL has managed to become even more stupid. 2015 and people are still defending the closet. And not for regular people, but for fucking celebrities. So what are you, r29, r31, and r35? Frau cunts who know shit about homosexuality or self-loathing gays who rationalize bigotry because you want to fit in?

When you become a celebrity, you lose that "personal choice" timing. There is nothing wrong with being gay and staying closeted for the sake of fame not only makes you a coward but also someone reinforcing the idea that being gay is shameful.

[quote]Instead of having women take responsibility for their own lives and their own failures, everything became about men and patriarchy.

What a croc of shit. Feminism was about leveling the playing field for women.

I will forever be grateful for the working women (and some of the men) of the 'Madmen' generation and before for helping to pave the way and open doors for me. It must have been really tough for them in the work place and in life.

Kill all zee men! Kill zem! Kill zem now!

I think there's an even simpler explanation. Some lesbians who want to have children think it's easier to just "suck it up" (no pun intended) and enter a relationship with a man. They can tell themselves that the kid will have a traditional father figure, and they can also bypass costly IVF procedures. Wasn't the movie with DL faves Annette Bening and Julianne Moore about this? Seriously?

R41, I think that's a huge part of it. Most of the former lesbians I know switched to men in their mid to late 30s. This came from what they probably saw as the clock running down on their reproductive abilities and a strong desire for the family and white picket fence lifestyle. I know some who switched in their 40s and don't have kids. Most of them say it's because the dating options for 40s+ gay women are so limited that they would have to be single indefinitely unless they opened up their dating options to include men. They say that men are far easier to meet and date, so it ends up being the path of least resistance.

Marcia Cross controversy? This is the first we've heard of it.

A co-worker's wife had been with a woman for 10 years before they started dating. They had a child soon after marrying.

He's a great guy, I hope it works out for them.

Let's just say the lesbian community makes it really easy for women to eventually switch teams out of exhaustion and desperation.

If most gay men were FUGLY, I'm sure many guys would end up marrying women even if they were not attracted to them.

Marcia defines "fake"

[quote] Most of them say it's because the dating options for 40s+ gay women are so limited that they would have to be single indefinitely unless they opened up their dating options to include men.

I'm getting near this point myself, but I would prefer a gay guy who also wants a normal family life.

[quote]I'm getting near this point myself, but I would prefer a gay guy who also wants a normal family life.

That is so weak and self-loathing. No actual lesbian or gay male can just switch off their sexuality and be happy living a straight life. Or do you think conversion therapy actually works?

The rumors far predate DL. Playgirl used to run thinly-veiled BIs at one point and they ran a particularly obvious one about Cross being a dyke while Melrose Place was on.

I think two adult, mature, civilized people can come to an agreement to share a house, raise children, and live in a platonic marriage peaceably.

Still utterly fiction!

Why, I'm as gay as Hugh Jackman!

If you haven't met him, you just can't imagine the overwhelming, irresistible masculinity of Bill DeBlasio that can even turn gay women straight!

[quote]Playgirl used to run thinly-veiled BIs at one point and they ran a particularly obvious one about Cross being a dyke while Melrose Place was on.

Yes, I remember many years ago one DLer claimed to have been a guest at a birthday for her and said she wasn't hiding and most of her friends of the guests were lesbians.

I also remember rumors about her and "best friend" Kristin Davis before either SATC or Desperate Housewives even started airing.

It just seems so odd that she would beard.

I understand people at very mega high fame levels doing it, I suppose. And I get that she may have needed to do it during the run of DH.

But she has her "fuck you" money now. She can do what she wants.

[quote]But she has her "fuck you" money now. She can do what she wants.

Tom Cruise has 500,000x as much money as Cross will ever earn. So do many other closet cases...but they're not groping around in the dark for the closet door, or even the light switch to illuminate things a bit.

Is Kristin Davis really gay? Marcia was at the airport when that older lesbian finished her long swim. I can't remember her name. Most of the women who met her at the airport were gay. It was on the local news.

I've heard stories about Marcia Cross for as long as I've known her name.

Kristin Davis...not so much, but she's beautiful and I can't recall any man she's been linked with...It would be funny if two of the SATC chicks were lesbians.

Lord, my Les-dar is in need of adjustment: Mariska is straight and "Charlotte" is a lesbian.

I think Kristin is bi.

Mariska straight?!!

Why do you think Kristin is bi?

Bump

She is a survivor of anal cancer now. Good for her!

Vintage gossip: “Davis, Kristin. "Snotty and spoiled." Recovering alcoholic. Linked with Alec Baldwin and Jeff Goldblum.“

She also dated Aaron Sorkin, but it must have been after 2004, when this gossip was compiled.