Carol Burnett and Joe Hamilton

Did Carol go into any detail about meeting Joe Hamilton in her first book. In Carrie and Me, she talks about how they all did things together as a family and when Joe and Carrie were in rehab together.

R1, of course she had an affair with him while he was married to his first wife.

Carol and Joe were married to other people when they began their affair.

They left their spouses so they could be together.

Joe's family was devastated, and sided with his first wife. They wanted nothing to do with Carol, and labelled her a home-wrecker.

I wonder what life was like for Joe's kids from the first marriage after their father left. From what Carol wrote in her books, Carrie, Erin, and Jody had a very privileged childhood. Joe's kids had to have been teens to toddlers when he divorced the first wife.

I love Carol, and I think she's been bracingly, even courageously, honest and forthright about so many things, most notably going public with Carrie about the addiction/rehab stuff back in the '70s when that took a lot more guts than it would today, also her very honest memoir about her messy childhood and family life growing up, etc. etc.

HOWEVER, I think she's also probably shrewd enough to realize that her lasting stardom and appeal is heavily based on the public's feeling of warmth and affection for her... and that therefore getting into talking about the nitty-gritty details of events or times when she might come out looking unsympathetic or like she was in the wrong - like beginning the relationship with Hamilton when he was married with eight kids, or the whole FADE OUT-FADE IN brouhaha - is probably gonna be sort of unproductive, unhelpful, and not worth it to her. I think it's probably different for other elderly stars - a Bette Davis or a Marlon Brando could tell pretty much any damn story of bad behavior they wanted in an autobiography, and know that their legend and their public appeal was not based on the public needing to feel they were warm, nice people. But if you're Carol Burnett, there's probably always the knowledge in the back of your head of how very, VERY much everyone you encounter really wants to think of you as "that nice Carol Burnett" and wants to believe that the warm, funny, approachable persona of the show-opening Q&As really is who you have always been offstage, as well.

Just a hunch, though!

Why'd they suddenly divorce? Her show didn't last long afterward.

I heard they divorced because his longtime alcoholism finally spiraled completely out of control.

God, Hamilton had 8 kids by the time he was 34.

By the time he was 32, Joe Hamilton was one of the top producers in the television industry. Burnett was a rising star and he was pretty close to the top. One can see the attraction ...

They separated during Mama's Family. That's the reason why Carol stopped appearing on the show. Things got too bitter between them. But they reconciled when she found out he was dying.

They were together for almost twenty years and had three children. While the facts about them getting together might have been sordid, it was obvious they truly loved one another.

Catholic obviously. They took that shit seriously back then. I can't imagine anything more irresponsible than bringing that many children into the world.

"While the facts about them getting together might have been sordid"

I love that there runs through DL a certain melodramatically puritanical, pearl-clutching viewpoint that somehow co-exists with the prevailing "Present your hole/mussy to all available comers!" philosophy of life.

Carol is the product of a dysfunctional home, her mother died from alcoholism related illness.

She hooked up with Joe because she saw his immediate family's having 8 kids. She wanted that perceived stability.

Then why'd she end up with an alcoholic, herself? It's really weird, children of dysfunctional families, particularly where alcohol is related, find comfort in the familiarity: they think they can 'fix it' in their adulthoods, to make their damaged childhood/psyche vanish.

At one time, Carol Burnett had the highest Q-score for likabilty than anyone in the entertainment industry. But as posters in DL threads concerning celebrities and service personnel have noted, she can be a bitch. I suspect that she guards her public image with the utmost attention.

IIRC, in her autobiographies, she said of her first marriage that she wed way too young. In addition, she had the responsibility of raising her (half) sister.

I thought it was amusing that Carol reduced her whole experience with "Fade Out, Fade In" to the sentence "my Broadway career did not work out as I had hoped" in her book.

She behaved incredibly unprofessionally on that show. She cost people their jobs and cost Juke Styne the bundle he put in to finance it.

The only person on that show who didn't end up hating her and Joe was Dick Patterson, and she rewarded him with giving him regular bit parts on her TV show.

I went to the recent (October) Mark Twain awards show at which Burnett was lauded. I saw her backstage and she was pretty nasty to a PA. When she realized someone saw her, although I'm a nobody as far as "celebrity" goes, she did a 180.

"The only person on that show who didn't end up hating her and Joe was Dick Patterson, and she rewarded him with giving him regular bit parts on her TV show."

Ernie Flatt and Don Crichton from that show both also went on to have long working relationships with her, didn't they?

[quote] Then why'd she end up with an alcoholic, herself?

Did she? It doesn't jive with her successfully suing a tabloid for making up a story about her being drunk and disorderly at a restaurant.

R18, SHE wasn't an alcoholic; her husband Joe Hamilton was one.

And the word you're looking for is "jibe."

Carol wasn't the alkie, Joe was.

Did she have an affair with Gary Moore?

No, No R18 - Carol ENDED UP with an alcoholic (Joe); she did not become one herself. (Yet, it appears both parents' genes (C & J) for such disorder surfaced in Carrie : addictive behavior.)

She milked the parts of her past that would do her some good: her grandmother raising her, her parents, always wonderful but - darn it! - alcoholics. She compared her father to Jimmy Stewart (a bit of a stretch, well, they were both tall and skinny).

Her first memoir ended with the beginning of the CB Show so all she had to do was ignore the "Fade In/Out" disaster which her greediness caused.

Carol said their marriage started falling apart around the time they found out about carries drug problem.

The way carol wrote about her and joe and their active involvement with their 3 daughters and the production of her show, it doesn't appear that joe had much involvement with his kids from his first marriage after he divorced.

When she wrote about carries illness, she wrote extensively about Erin and Jody being there for carrie during her illness but again noting about joes children and whether they were there for carrie, maybe they weren't, but still.

Because, after you've been ignored for years by Wife #2, you're going to rush in and support Wife #2's dying kid who is, after all, more important.

Well, but Carol and Joe's kids are also the half-sisters to Wife #1's kids.

nobody's perfect.

From Vicki Lawrence's autobiography:

A funny thing happened the day I signed with Lorimar. Carol called and said, 'I think I'd like to put together maybe a little syndicated show with the family characters. I'll do Eunice, you do Mama. Doesn't that sound like fun?' I said, 'It does, but I just signed with Lorimar to do Mama's Family for Joe.' It became a very abrupt conversation, and Carol hung up. I then went to Al and asked him what he made of the whole thing. He agreed it was really weird. I wondered if I was about to get caught in the middle of yet another struggle between the two of them . . . During her divorce, Carol and I went through a 'cool' period. She 'divorced' everyone and remained distant for a lot of years. She called the house a few years ago. I was standing at the sink peeling carrots, fifteen feet from the phone, but Garrett got to it first and I only heard his half of the following conversation: 'Hello? Oh hi. Yeah, sure, he's in the other room, on the other line. You want me to tell him you're calling? My mom's here, you want to talk to her? No? Okay. Goodbye.' When he hung up I asked him who it was. 'Carol Burnett.' I was shocked. 'What did she say?' 'She didn't want to talk to you. She only wanted to talk to Dad.' Al called her back later that night, made a point of telling her how much we missed and loved her, and she told him, 'I'll be back. It's just going to take a while longer. Give me another year or so."

So what's the big deal about leaving a Broadway show to do television?

Why do we never hear about Carol's present marriage? Who is the guy? And there is no way Carol ever had a Q rating higher than Lucille Ball.

R30 where in this thread do you see a reference to Q rating for Carol B and Lucille B? Just curious what that has to do with a thread about Carol Burnett and Joe Hamilton.

Could you give more details about her being nasty to the PA, R16?

Carol always seemed much more comfortable on stage than she did in interviews. When she took questions from the audience, and then when she performed she was likeable and a real natural. When being interviewed she seemed forced and like she didn't really want to be there.

I can remember Harvey Korman (who was supposedly not at all easy to work with) talking about becoming discontented on the show, and acting out. Carol called him into her dressing room and said "I hear you're not happy..." and proceeded to basically lay down the law and told him to improve his attitude or leave. It did not sound like sweet Carol we all know and love. She sounded like a real boss-lady. And he did eventually leave. Dick Van Dyke did not have an easy time on the show either.

Also, if you watch her into to the final episode of the show, she really let her guard down a bit in her closing remarks. "We've been up in the ratin's and we been down in the ratin's." It's quite remarkable to watch.

The one time I met her she was sweet and goofy. It struck me how small she is. Up on that stage at Television City during those Q & A sessions they made her look positively statuesque.

Webmaster, can you please fix the Jon Kortajarena thread and the Luke Evans thread?

I remember well that farewell speech she gave at R34's link. Interesting that she acknowledged Harvey Korman, Vicki Lawrence and Tim Conway but not Lyle Waggoner.

[quote]and proceeded to basically lay down the law and told him to improve his attitude or leave. It did not sound like sweet Carol we all know and love. She sounded like a real boss-lady.

Too bad she wasn't just a little harder on him. She should have insisted he knock it off with breaking character and cracking up at Tim Conway. Fun for him and Tim, and maybe the live audience, but it was unprofessional and got old and boring really fast for the TV viewing audience.

Sorrrr.....rrryyyy!

I read somewhere that she was unhappy that Lyle Waggoner had done a nude shot in Playgirl. It didn't go with the family-oriented show of hers.

Lyle was quite a hunk.

I, too, want to hear about her being nasty to PA's and others. What a let down to hear that the down-home image was just a stage persona. Sigh. I believed it. Oh well.

Lyle was the first Playgirl centerfold. But he didn't show his waggoner. So what was she so upset about...

R36 she does mention Lyle Waggoner (by first name only) in the very beginning.

I always wondered if he was fired or left the show on his own accord to do Wonder Woman.

Frankly, he was not very good on the show. Not cut out for sketch comedy and it seemed like they used him less and less as his time there went on. But he made a fortune in Hollywood star trailer rentals.

Interesting excerpt r28.

There always seemed to be a lack of intimacy that existed between Carol and the others during the reunion shows (as opposed to when the cast of the Mary Tyler Moore show got together, for example).

R42 I always sensed some weirdness between her and Vicki.

In the recent DVD intros, done just before Korman's death, she seems warm toward Korman and Conway. I think knowing everyone's time there is short will tend to do that. Both she and Conway are 81. I'm gonna be sad when she goes. I was a huge fan of the syndicated Carol Burnett and Friends as a little kid.

OP - R3, which one of you is the home-wrecker troll? The one that always blames the female party?

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

Lyle quit the Burnett show because he felt he was being marginalized - only playing the hunky guy, while the others all played many different characters. Honestly, he wasn't much of an actor or a comedian, unlike the others. So he didn't renew his contract and went off in search of other work (Wonder Woman, etc.). Turns out the Burnett people were right - he really wasn't much of an actor and didn't work all that much after Wonder Woman left the air. So he found his new business and made a fortune leasing trailers to the stars.

But Burnett held a grudge for him leaving and never fully forgave him - he never appeared on any reunion specials or shows...

Lyle was dreamy.

R39 and R40--useless w/out pictures of Lyle from his spread.

Eldergays who are show biz experts--wasn't there a rumor CB was lebian? maybe with Julie? also didn't she steal Joe from his first wife? whats the story?

[quote]Eldergays who are show biz experts--wasn't there a rumor CB was lebian? maybe with Julie?

Some people will believe anything.

Yes, he did, r46 ... he was on them all, right alongside the others. Even the DVD extras.

Stop rescipting things to fit your own fabrications.

Carol's version of the Harvey situation from her book “Now, at times Harvey could get into a mood. This morning, in his Elvis getup, he was definitely not a happy camper. I’d always ignore him whenever he got like that, because the next thing you knew he would turn on a dime and go back to being his hysterically funny and loveable self. But not this morning. I could practically see the black cloud hovering over his head. He was actually scowling. As far as I was concerned, he could scowl at me till the cows came home, but this time he scowled at our guests and was short with them. After the taping, when everyone was changing for our camera run-through, I went to Harvey’s dressing room and knocked on the door. He was still scowling when he opened it. I asked him what was wrong, but he was in no mood to discuss it, intimating that it was none of my business. I told him it was my business when it affected the show and our guests. He could be rude to me, but not to our guests! Whereupon he told me I couldn’t dictate to him how to feel or act, and as far “as he was concerned he’d just as soon go home and never come back after tonight’s show. He closed the door. Stunned, I didn’t know what to do. I felt that this was in my lap and I didn’t want anyone else to know just yet what had happened, not even Joe. I had never been confrontational before—it’s just not in my makeup—but in this case I knew I had to be. ”

“So what did I do? I conjured up a character to play, a cross between Barbara Stanwyck and Joan Crawford, women who weren’t afraid to speak up and be strong. Acting like them would give me the courage to stand up to Harvey. Okay. It was time to take the stage.

Friday, lunch break. In my dressing room, I called Harvey’s agent, Tony Fantozzi.

TONY: Hey, Carol! What’s up? ME: Harvey’s off the show after tonight. TONY: Whaa …? ME: He wants off the show, so I’m granting his wish. TONY: What’re ya talkin’ about? Does Joe know about this? ME: Not yet. He’s in the director’s booth. I’ll tell him after the show, but it won’t matter what anybody says or thinks. Harvey’s off the show. TONY: What about his contract? ME: If he wants off, I want him off. If there’s a problem, I’ll go to the union. TONY: Jeez … what did he do? ME: Tony, I don’t mind when he gets into one of his moods, but when he’s rude to our guests, I’m not gonna put up with it! I mean, how on earth can you be mean to Petula Clark and Tim Conway? It boggles “the mind! TONY: Have you told Harvey? ME: After we get through the show tonight. TONY: Jeez …

We got through the show that night. I don’t think anybody sensed the tension between Harvey and me. He was his usual professional self, but I was a total wreck.

Friday, after the show. I knock on Harvey’s dressing room door.

HARVEY: Come in.”

“He’s sitting at his makeup table. I sit down and look at him in the mirror.

ME: Well, you’ve got your wish. HARVEY: What’re you talking about?

He turns around to face me.

ME: You don’t have to come back anymore if you’re that unhappy. I called your agent and he’s aware of the situation. HARVEY: You called Fantozzi? ME: Yep. HARVEY: Well … I have a contract…. ME: That can be taken care of. You were rude to our guests and because of your behavior I was screwing up all over the place tonight during the show. I can’t work like that, so if you want off, you’re free to go.

I head for the door. He stops me. “ME: What? HARVEY: What can I do? ME: You asking for a reprieve? HARVEY: Sort of. Well, yes. ME: (pause) Okay, here’s what we do. This coming Monday, I want to see you cheerful.

He nods.

ME: Not only Monday, but the whole week! And you’re never, ever to be nasty to one of our guests or anyone on our crew. We all have moods, but we don’t bring them to work. Okay?

He nods again.

ME: In fact, it would tickle me pink to hear you whistling in the hall!

We shake hands.”

Carrie and Joe were in rehab at the same time--in fact, they were in the same facility, IIRC. (She wrote about it in the memoir about Carrie.)

It's interesting to read that she is perhaps a tougher lady than her public persona suggests, but not so surprising: she's lasted a long time in a very demanding, hyper-competitive business.

I met her once, briefly, coming out of a medical office building in Beverly Hills. She was EXACTLY as you would expect: warm, kind, accessible--and acted as if she were just as surprised and pleased to run into us as we were in encountering her.

One of her great strengths is her intuition about her audience: she knows that people are rooting for her, are one her side.

That she works hard to protect her image is a measure of the respect she has for fans.

r39, with all due respect (and I don't mean to sound like a bitch), but grow up, my friend. To survive in that biz you cannot be a Pollyanna or even a good old fashioned anything. You need to be a little hard. And a whole lot of weird. These stories of her being a hard-nosed boss lady or anti-persona shouldn't be surprising. You cannot make something of yourself in Hollywood by being "nice".

If her version is true, then she handled that like a freaking pro!

Va va va voom.... Even in the 70's, which made it harder for even the very beautiful to look attractive (let alone not silly, such a weird fashion era) he was sexy.

She was lucky Harvey didn't call her bluff. Her show was horrible without him.

I may have cheated on my husband with a married man who had kids but I'd have a huge problem if he exited out of those kids' lives once we married.

That's inexcusable.

Carol is performing at the St. George Theatre on Staten Island on Saturday, May 9th.

By performing do you mean, trolling for geisers? Stealing other women's men? Or just being a bitch in general?

Carol sounds a bit fucked up. But no surprise there. Most performers, particularly comedians, are.

I can't believe...well maybe I can, this is Datalounge...that there is a long-running Carol Burnett troll. S/he appears every time CB is mentioned, calling her selfish, a homewrecker, unprofessional, etc.

I wonder if s/he is the same person as the Paul Newman troll (who mentioned every time Newman's name came up that he'd left his wife for the "homewrecking" Joanne Woodward. 50 years later, the troll was still calling Joanne a homewrecker).

LOL R63. There's also an anti-Mary Tyler Moore troll who will come onto a thread and lose her SHIT.

I'm sure Carol was no angel, but if you're running (or fronting) a show with hundreds of people and your ass is on the line, it's a lot of pressure. Some of these DL bitches think that what they see on screen is magically what they get in person.

[quote] 50 years later, the troll was still calling Joanne a homewrecker . . .

Frau alert. They are like pitbulls. Just the thought their husbands might leave them terrifies them.

R63 A CB troll? Are you kidding me? Carol was all those bad things you listed. It wouldn't take a troll to see it. In fact there must be tons of trolls on here because many people see Carol for the worthless shit she was. Same for MTM.

It's one thing to be "no angel" but to ruin the lives of eight children, she should burn in hell.

I see R66 and R67 are the crazy anti-Carol trolls.

Hi!

Take your meds, you silly cunts!

R68 supports adultry

[quote] R68 supports adultry

I support spelling.

R69 is mentally deficient.

R68, Why are you so invested in CB? I was just giving an opinion. One that seems to be shared by a lot of people. She wasn't the best person. So what? Who is? This is just celebrity talk. No need to take these over privileged people so seriously.

who gives a flying fuck? The past is in the past so just let CB alone and let her enjoy her twilight years peacefully.

Saying "she was all those bad things listed" isn't really an opinion, dearie. Gossip or no, it sounds like you're a bit obsessed.

I'm hardly "invested" in CB. But as someone who has actually worked in the entertainment industry, and who hasn't collated an entertainment world view based on the National Enquirers that Mama used to have in the powder room, I have a more realistic view.

I've by and large enjoyed this discussion of CB. I'm glad this thread was started.

Carol is clearly a multifaceted and complex woman who has faced her fair share of adversity. Even before her daughter's death. You could see she played the tragic aspects of Eunice's life perfectly- she knew from heartache and pain.

She may have done things she regrets. Haven't we all? Or maybe she regrets none of it. Doesn't matter. She and her co-stars entertained me for hours and hours over the years.

I agree, R75. Carol had a special talent and an extremely likeable persona on stage. She was very funny, and her show was the best.

She did write extensively about Joe and the girls and going out and socializing. None of joes kids from his first marriage has said anything bad in public about carol, but I did find it odd that she didn't say a word about being a stepmother to 8 kids that were a part of her life for 20 years.

She also writes about when carrie was in rehab the counselors encouraged the patients to smokeas a way of weaning off drugs. Also, she had been complaining to carol for months about her ongoing issues with swallowing and breathing and carol begging her to see a doctor. Carrie was living in a cabin in rural colorado and carol tried to get her to go up to Boulder to get checked out.

Instead of learning from her "supposed" hard life, she chose to participate in screwing over the lives of eight other children.

Then the bitch kept it hidden. Yes, her pain matters but the lives of those she hurt are trivial.

R78 you don't know the circumstances of Joe Hamilton's first marriage. Unless you are actually one of Joe's kids your opinion here is based on pure speculation and not to be taken seriously on any level.

Good day.

Still Joe Hamilton had eight fucking children, kind of like Frank Lloyd Wright had 10 or 12 children and dumped their mother, left her in poverty, took off with his mistress to Europe. Then one day when he was at work...architecting, his eldest son with him....his mistress and her children from FLW's backer (yes complicated) was burned in a deliberate fire at Taliessen. Turns out the fire was started by one of the imported Caribbean workers (who was married) and they had been going to a church damning FLW & his mistress at every service....

All INTERESTING stuff. The internet can't find what happened to the burner's wife though, with records.

FLW's kids WERE screwed up. FLW had left the wife without a dime to her name. In fact he had been deep in debt.

She's still alive right?

r79

It doesn't matter, Carol was a bitch who by having an affair ENCOURAGED Joe to dump his kids and wife. Joe was at fault to, but him being wrong doesn't negate the fact that Carol by encouraging him was just as wrong.

In fact her daughter's suicide, yes it was, she covered it up with bullshit about cancer. No one dies that young form cigarettes. Anyway Carol drove her kid to suicide.

Yes but it is quite telling that

EVERY SINGLE MEMBER

of Joe Hamilton's family sided with Joe's first wife

and wanted NOTHING TO DO with Carol.

btw the youngest Hamilton daughter is CNN Erin Burnett

[quote]btw the youngest Hamilton daughter is CNN Erin Burnett

btw, she's not.

R85 Carol has three daughters

The late Carrie, Jodie and ERIN BURNETT

Who was the first husband?

Dear idiot at R86, this one is for you

[quote]Burnett was born and raised in Mardela Springs, Maryland. She is the youngest daughter of Esther Margaret (née Stewart) and Kenneth King Burnett, a corporate attorney.[6][7] She attended St. Andrew's School in Middletown, Delaware, graduating in 1994,[1] and returned in 2009 to deliver the commencement speech.[8][9] Burnett attended Williams College in Williamstown, Massachusetts, where she studied political science and economics, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts degree in political economy. As an undergraduate, she played lacrosse and field hockey.[10][11]

R88 you do know that Wikipedia is not 100% accurate

That this is user generated, and anyone can post anything on wiki

Nice try.

R88 what does that have to do with R86, you are a mean boy.

Carol first husband was Don Saroyan, distant relative to Oscar winner William Saroyan.

Their marriage was a 'Star is Born' relationship.

Don was the big man on campus, while Carol was the supporting player

Once in New York, roles were reversed and Don never found any type of success.

Read her CNN biography.

The Burnett on CNN is not Carol's daughter.

R92 her bio doesn't deny it either

[quote] Joe was at fault to, but him being wrong doesn't negate the fact that Carol by encouraging him was just as wrong.

It wasn't just as wrong. Joe brought those 8 kids into the world, they were his responsibility.

[quote]In fact her daughter's suicide, yes it was, she covered it up with bullshit about cancer. No one dies that young form cigarettes. Anyway Carol drove her kid to suicide.

Wow, how cruel are you, hiding behind the anonymity of the web? Carrie Hamilton most certainly did die of cancer. As for her age, Dana Reeve, Christopher Reeve's widow a non-smoker died of lung cancer at 45. Carrie was 38. I'm glad I don't know you.

"wasn't there a rumor CB was lebian? maybe with Julie?"

I heard Carol address that, far as I know this being the one time only she even indirectly spoke about it in public.

Her story was Julie Andrews was staying at some ritzy hotel. Carol visited her there. As they were standing in the hallway they see the elevator is stopping on their floor. Julie Andrews says something to the effect lets prank whoever that is, let's kiss. As they do the elevator door opens with Princess Margret and entourage.

I always figured HRH was added just for the punchline. But the story itself seemed a weak deflection for being caught in a careless moment.

R84: NO SHE IS NOT.

R97 read R86

Has Marlo Thomas ever talked about being a stepmother? I know one of Phil's kids is a pyromaniac.

Carol Burnett is a comedy hero of mine. "Torchy Lady" "The Little Foxies" "A Swiped Life", etc. Love her. This is the first time that I'm hearing extensively about her personal life - the "homewrecker" mess and so on and So what. That woman does not have one mean bone in her body. Maybe Joe's bone was mean sometimes because of the drinkin' but don't ever compare that bone with wait a second I forgot the point I was trying to make just let me take a deep refreshing drag from my Kent Golden Light and listen to the cubes clinkin' in my cocktail for a second here I'll find my thought

You're an awful human being, r82. Sad and hateful.

r101

Sounds like you got the poster mixed up with Miss Burnett, the only victims here are this mis-accused poster and Hamilton's kids.

R98!!

[quote]Parents: Esther Margaret Burnett, Kenneth King Burnett

Even Mary Tyler Moore would have nothing to do with her.

It was horrible when MTM's son died and she said, "She must've been an awful mother to allow that."

Karma is a bitch Carol isn't it.

post a link or it didn't happen, poster above me.

CB's dead daughter had HIV and died of that I thought?

Why is there a troll on the Carol Burnett thread of all places? E.g,, of course, R104.

So weird.

I think it was her son, Anthony Hamilton from the 80s show, Cover Up with Jennifer O'Neill, who had the HIV and died.

It was in MTM's book. There is no online link, go to a library lazy ass.

Did you notice how there are very few pics of MTM and Carol? Even though they have a lot of connections between them, like Dick Van Dyke etc.

All you have to do is look how Carol treated Vicki boycotting and badmouthing Mama's Family. She knew Vicki had virtually no talent and was trying to eke out a small but honorable living. But no Carol was even going to try to squash that.

B I T C H.

I was excited when I found out MeTV was going to start re-running The Carol Burnett Show.

Maybe it was because they were showing the later seasons but it was not in the least bit funny. Painfully bad, actually. And I loved it as a kid.

Just hokey crap and they had fallen into those unfunny breaks in character with Korman/Conway that seemed so contrived.

I stopped watching. Didn't want to tarnish the memory of a show that was special to me when I was young.

But she did do some great stuff on that show. The old movie takeoffs and "As the Stomach Turns", etc. were wonderful.

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

Her daughter, Dorothy Hamilton, dropped the -ton ending when she entered the Olympics because she didn't want comparisons to her famous mother, Carol.

And let's not forget the son she had with Joe before they married, Mark Hamill(ton). He also dropped the last syllable of his last name. And has never been publicly acknowledged by his cunt of a mother.

You're right, R113. Although, they both had horrible plastic surgery that drastically altered their looks (not for the better).

And Joe's cousin, Marvin Ham(lisch)ilton fared well as a composer.

How are we related?

Let's not forget that big new coming-to-Broadway musical about the family!

I always thought it was Hamilton, Joe, Frank, Ann Reynolds, R115.

104, You are a lying liar without any tangible proof other than your own fantasy life making up stories.

r118

I guess you went to the library and looked up the book and found out you're wrong. Being wrong hurts, just admit it, the pain will heal.

[quote]I guess you went to the library and looked up the book and found out you're wrong. Being wrong hurts, just admit it, the pain will heal.

Which book, Bitch? Mary wrote two and there are three different biographies. Did she write this about Carol herself or was it in one of the horseshit made up books about her that she had nothing to do with?

Joe also produced the Terminator movies starring his sister Linda.

Yeah, they look like they're feuding here

Yeah, they really hate each other here

I'm so glad they had that time together.

Well, ironically, a few years after the photo at r123 was taken, MTM and Neil Simon did come to really hate each other when Simon told Moore to get to work and learn the fucking lines of his new play, already in previews, and Mary upped and quit.

Mary and Carol's mouths are so wide that if they French kissed they would swallow each other whole.

Debbie Reynolds said if she married Burt Reynolds she wouldn't have to change her name and they could share their wigs.

I remember seeing Carol and Lucille Ball on either Dinah Shore or Dick Cavett's show in the '70s (they did a lot of talk shows together at the time) and Lucy mentioned Joe Hamilton's eleven children. They talked about how Carol and Joe always have some of Joe's children living with them at a time.

One of Joe's sons produced the first Carol Burnett Show reunion special after Joe died and I know another son was Carol's makeup man for years. The Hamilton children (at least some of them) were a part of her life.

thanks for clearing that up.

I knew she was good to her steps.

Met Carol a few times. My friend has one of these signed by her.

r37, all that "cracking up" was phony-baloney. Same as with Fallon, SNL, etc.

OFGS; CB's daughter wouldn't have the last name "Burnett," you stupid person insisting on this.

I never understood why Dick Van Dyke agreed to come on the show after all his success. By the time he came on it had turned into one dog of a show. He seemed so out of place. Like he still cared to put on a professional show and the others, by this point, just didn't give a shit anymore.

It had been a long time since the Dick Van Dyke Show had gone off the air, his movie career was not exactly on fire, and he had two failed TV shows since his original went off the air (one a failed variety show). He probably saw it as a way to jump-start his career or at least get some consistent work.

Carol's mother-in-law was Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch of the West on The Wizard of Oz.

Maybe it helped him get Diagnosis Murder. That dog, if you can believe it, lasted eight years.

Sad.

Erin Burnett’s Roots piece on the CNN website. The second slide shows her holding a photo of her parents. She’s not Carol Burnett’s daughter.

Carry on.

Can you believe it?! Carol is 87 now.

She was 80 when this thread was created in March 2014.

So far, this is one of the only 2015 threads worth bumping, except it was 2014 and apparently bumped by a different bump bitch. DL gold.

Carol & Julie Andrews were ABSOLUTELY girlfriends in the 60s.

Vicki Lawrence never gave Carol the respect that she was owed, Carol discovered her and Vicki never really acknowledged that or payed her back. Vicki owes all her success to Carol, in a just world she would have tythed a percentage of her income to Carol.

Sure she gave her credit as well as Harvey Korman for training her.

Whoops!

It's pretty well-known that she's a heavy drinker. She got lucky with the lawsuit.

Her show was apolitical and therefore timeless.

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Thanks for the article!

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Joe Hamilton tried to fire Vicki for being pregnant.