Penny Marshall to come out of the closet.

What's that say about the bearish Rob Reiner then? They never had children (though he is longtime married now with children- but then so is John Travolta).

OK, so moving right along, who is her A-list celebrity partner with a Hollywood pedigree?

Carrie!!!

The name is supposedly disclosed in the print version of the Enquirer. She seemed pretty gay to me in Laverne and Shirley.

But still it's the National Enquirer. Every week they have someone "gay" on the cover.

Buds.

Sclemeel, schlemazel, HAUTEBUTCH Incorporated.

Penny - please stay in the closet.

Mary Kay Place

Wasn't she buddy-buddy with Rosie?

Well this is good news. The world was one less lesbian anyway since Amber Heard decided to go back into the closet.

Yes she's an old hag, but she's had a pretty successful career. Starred in a hit sitcom and then was a rare female director, and many of her movies were big hits. On balance, it'd be good for gays for her to come out.

#1 - Everyone already knew she was gay, from the deep manly voice, butch persona, and sports obsession.

#2 - I'm tired of these wimps who wait until their in the sunset of their life to come out. Nobody gives a damn about a 70 year old coming out.

Who is her A-list "gal pal"?

Rob Reiner and Penny Marshall have kids? Are they still married?

Anyone who loved Laverne & Shirley and the movies she directed, would care. She has established she's a talented woman.

Carrie Fisher?

I disagree R13 about your second point.

When these older people come out, the young ones may not care but their fellow older people of course know them and remember them.

Since the older people as a group are against same-sex marriage/on the fence/homophobes in larger numbers than young people, it's a good thing to show them people of their own generation are gay too.

Rob and Penny's daughter Tracy played "Betty Spaghetti" in A League of Their Own (the one whose husband died)

Carrie doesn't ping for me, but who else could Penny's gf be?

R18 - I'm not sure your average 20 something year old is going to be looking to a 70 year old for a role model or guidance.

Are they still married?

MARY KAY PLACE! MARY KAY PLACE! FUCKING MARY KAY PLACE!

R20, did you actually *read* R18's post? Because they didn't say what you thought they said.

Illiterate.

Sorry R18, I misread your post, R20

Would someone please run out and buy the Enquirer?

Carrie had a Hollywood pedigree and she is A list.

So did Penny and Cindy ever scissor? That's all any of us really care about.

OK, but on what planet is Mary Kay Place A-List with a Hollywood pedigree?

Who's her girlfriend?

Mary Kay doesn't have a Hollywood pedigree

She's not, R28.

Who (aside from Carrie Fisher) could it be?

maybe one of Rosie O'Donnell's castoffs? Rosie ever date anyone famous?

Jamie Lee Curtis, maybe? She's always pinged and is pretty masculine.

[quote]Wasn't she buddy-buddy with Rosie?

No, she and Big Rosie Greenbaum LOATHED each other.

Jamie Lee Curtis is married, so I'm pretty sure she's not going to come out of the closet without being at least separated, if not divorced. If she's gay.

I know what you mean, R13. That's how I know George Clooney could is not gay. He does not have a high voice or a silly demeanor, he does not wear caftans or obsess over old movie divas.

What about me? Don't I count anymore?

I love Mary Kay Place. She was hilarious as Loretta Haggers in "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman."

But honestly, Mary Kay Place is just going through a phase. Her true love is her "big ol' baby boy," Charlie (who is her 'Mary Hartman' husband for those not in the know).

As Lavern, she always seemed so invested in the scene where she asks if she could touch my Boo-Boo Kitty.

Both Carrie and Penny have mommy problems and drug problems

Carrie Fisher shouldn't have pointed the finger at John Travolta if she's also a closet-dweller.

Pay attention, people. A Hollywood pedigree means that her parents or at least one parent was involved in Hollywood as an actor/singer/director/producer/agent/writer/entertainment lawyer/tv host/cinematographer/artist/studio head/etc

Wasn't there a time when P and Carrie lived together?

In was under the guise that one of them was having work done on her house... something like this.

What A list woman is of Hollywood pedigree in this general age group? I suppose it might even be someone behind the camera.

Maybe the gf herself is not A List:

[quote]She has had a longtime girlfriend that hails from a major Hollywood family...

R42 = Mary Hart

R42 Yes.... and now tell us something we don't already know.

Of course, to the Enquirer, a "major Hollywood family" would be the Kardashians.

Please god, let it be Jane Fonda.

Nancy Sinatra.

R48 = Ted Turner

Kathleen Turner?

lol,r50

It's one of Sidney Poitier's daughter's, you numbskulls.

Never mind, none of them are A List.

Penny Marshall is gay?

Tina Sinatra

I am following this story closely from my underground galleria of shoppes.

I didn't know - but I'm gay guy in Europe.

During visits to States I have seen her on TV and think she's funny.

So who is the girlfriend? Surely someone here should know.

National Enquirer BI from June of 2011:

"Which iconic sci-fi sex symbol with a history of bad relationships has gone lesbian? The once red-hot actress' life is usually an open book, so it's no wonder she's telling friends that she's ready to come out!"

It's Carrie.

R57. Penny's mystery lovah could be Roslyn Kind.

Penny is or will be 72 this year.

It's Carrie

[quote] Penny is or will be 72 this year.

She was born in 1943, so that makes her 71 this year.

You weren't a math major, were you R61?

C's ex husband is gay

R11, Amber Heard never identified as a lesbian. The media did that. She's bisexual and has had serious relationships with women & men. At least she's different to other Hollywood women who loudly proclaim their bisexuality while only ever publically dating/marrying men.

Would Ellen know?

We all knew what the "L" on her tops really stood for.

R67 for the win!

OK -- I'm practically a gold-star lesbian AND a "woman of a certain age," and it NEVER EVER occurred to me that fuglamente Penny Marshall would be GAY! I mean, most guys will fuck virtually any hole if hard pressed (no pun intended), but I couldn't even imagine a straight guy fucking her! And that was when she was young!

Just like you boys don't really want to claim all YOUR actors, I don't really want Penny Marshall on our team. But I guess I should be grateful another older and not particularly attractive actress has come out.

Penny's had some high-profile (male) lovers, including Art Garfunkel, who is no beauty contest winner himself.

Her book's a lot of fun.

I think it's Carrie...they used to have legendary "co-birthday" parties.

Didn't Penny and Carrie have an ugly end to their friendship?

And if it is Carrie, wouldn't the media consider her the bigger star?

Oh, Meredith! In this particular case, you WILL retain the title of prettiest older lesbian.

[quote] Maybe the gf herself is not A List:

Which would explain why all the headlines in the Enquirer refer to "Penny's A List Hollywood Lover," right? Because Penny's gf is not A list.

R63, Penny's year of birth was originally 1942. Now it's 1943. Soon it will be 1944.

Born yesterday, were you R63?

I know she is VERY close with Carrie Fischer.

WW R7!

R69, I'm a gold star and not a woman of a certain age, but when I was a young dykeling back in the 90s, I remember watching interviews with Penny Marshall and my baby gaydar definitely went off. It threw me into confusion when she revealed she had ex husbands.

That said, I saw A League of their own and I didn't add 1+1 with Rosie O'Donnell.

Carrie Fisher and Penny Marshall stopped talking to each other a few years ago.

According to Carrie "they drifted apart"

Maybe they patched things up after Penny's diagnosis?

Honestly, I cannot see how her gf could be anyone but CF

If true, it means another book from Carrie with nothing but one liners about mossy banks.

Fisher seems too messed up to have a relationship with anyone.

I agree R18.

Yes R81, that's what she said to Stephen Fry on his special about bipolar disorder. She's too sane to be institutionalised, but too messed up for any kind of normal life or relationship.

[quote]I'm not sure your average 20 something year old is going to be looking to a 70 year old for a role model or guidance.

More's the pity.

It is hard to think of anyone who is A-List and has a Hollywood pedigree (other than me and Penny Marshall---as if!!!)

Anjelica Huston?

ooooo good one r86!!!!!

Virginia Lawson, Helen's daughter?

although Huston seemed genuinely in love with her late husband and not a lesbian

I'd love to hear Shirley MacLaine purr into the phone "furburger".

r69 and r67 tied...

First one to buy the Enquirer and post her girlfriend's name wins.

Wow, I read Penny's autobio and she was cheerfully slutting around with men in the early 80's, had at least one abortion without being sure who the father was. I would never have guessed.

Meredith thought she was straight in her youth too, I don't think it's that unusual for lesbians.

Hollywood pedigree families:

Barrymore Fonda Peck Crawford Davis Power Reynolds Fisher Leigh Curtis Sinatra Huston Mayer Marx Ball and Arnez Benny Allen and Burns Hope Crosby

and on and on... who is it?

[quote] Didn't Penny and Carrie have an ugly end to their friendship?

But when someone is diagnosed with brain cancer, an old argument can be forgotten. Hatchets buried and all.

In Hollywood a lot of women prefer the girls as they get older. Sounds crazy but my sister had a Euro gf for years and the stories I heard I didn't believe.

If its Faye I'm going to really enjoy this.

It's Lucy Arnaz!

Candace Bergen?

Oh Lucy! No, r98!

R93, she was or she just said she was?

Candice Bergen

Is Mariska too young for Penny?

Stephanie Zimblis(sp??)

Oooooh! That'd be juicy, R103, but is Mariska really A-list?

As if they'd put Penny on the cover if the story was outing Mariska too.

I think the article means the family is A list, not the lover.

mariska is only 50 this year. think she likes her ladies a bit more fem.

Stefanie Zimbalist is an excellent guess in terms of pedigree but has she done anything lately?.

If it's not Carrie and it's the family, not the celeb who's A-list, I'm thinking maybe Jennifer Salt, who played Eunice on Soap. She's now a pretty successful writer/producer (Nip/Tuck). She, Penny, Carrie, and Margot Kidder traveled in the same quasi-lez circles for years. Her father was famous blacklisted Hollywood screenwriter Waldo Salt. She's divorced, and her son Jonah Greenberg is a well-known talent agent with CAA.

Rob Reiner is not the father of Penny's daughter. They have no children together.

Bipolar lesbian flashers, the whole lot of them!

It could be Judy Lewis, but she's dead.

110 bump

Isn't Jennifer Salt a producer and writer on American Horror Story? I thought her name was familiar.

Yes r115, I know I've seen her credited as a producer at least. AHS and Nip Tuck are both Ryan Murphy shows.

Is that the same Jennifer Salt once linked to Jon Voight?

Heather MacRae, daughter of Gordon and Sheila?

What A-list female star would be even remotely interested in an old crone like Penny Marshall?

Jennifer Salt and Margot Kidder shared a house in Hollywood in the '70s. It was well-known that they were more than housemates. They also threw the biggest parties for the young A-list Hollywood set (Spielberg, Albert Brooks, Richard Dreyfuss, for example). To the casual TV watcher, she was a so-so actress who played a forgettable character on sitcom. In Hollywood circles, she was much, much more than that.

r118, no woman whose mother was good friends with Don Loper could possibly turn out lez.

Could it be?

R19: I have a faint memory from somewhere that Tracy Reiner is ROB's daughter from a previous marriage...

r122, dear, that photo is nearly 7 years old. No. Just no.

Well, this is supposed to be a long relationship. Seven years too long for Hollywood?

Penny may be bi, but Rob is 100% straight. Mary Tyler Moore has told a story a few times about how Carl would bring Rob to the Dick Van Dyke set, and that teenage Rob developed a huge crush on Mary. One day he grabbed her breast or patted her butt, one or the other, I forgot. Mary told Carl about the incident, and punished Rob pretty severely. Sounds like your typical straight guy.

Unless there's a diversified portfolio involved, Kathy Hilton is too shallow and narcissistic to become involved with some fuggo like Penny. If she went lez, it would be with a gorgeous trophy lipstick lez.

So in other words, r126, Rob Reiner is. sleaze.

Doris Day!

Okay I looked it up myself.

Rob Reiner is currently married to Michelle Singer (1989-present) and has 3 children with this woman.

He was married to Penny from 1971 - 1979 and has no children with Penny.

Tracy Reiner is Penny's daughter by Michael Henry. Rob Reiner adopted her during his ten year marriage to Marshall.

Finally!

Why is Penny hugging a corpse?

Oh puh-leez. Carrie Fisher has been hinting about this for 30 years. Why Carrie, or Penny for that matter, never had the guts to come out I have no clue and very little sympathy. They were both celebrities, had positions of privilege, and squandered it by arranging fake marriages and relationships. For once this phrase makes sense: SHAME ON YOU. You were in a position to help gay people and you scurried back in the closet because you were afraid of the fallout. And now you want to come out at the age of 70. Fuck you. And sorry to say this, fuck you too Lily Tomlin! Your coming out would have had much more impact on a gay-hating society if you came out 30 years ago. But you may have lost a few $$, right? God, you show people are pathetic.

[quote]Rob and Penny's daughter Tracy played "Betty Spaghetti" in A League of Their Own (the one whose husband died)

[quote]I have a faint memory from somewhere that Tracy Reiner is ROB's daughter from a previous marriage...

Tracy is Penny's daughter from her first marriage to some guy named Michael Henry. He must've been a deadbeat 'cause the marriage only lasted two years and Tracy was later adopted by Reiner, who was married to Penny for most of Tracy's childhood.

Incidentally, Tracy played a lesbian (Sarah Paulson's girlfriend, no less) in that retarded movie THE OTHER SISTER.

[quote]We all knew what the "L" on her tops really stood for.

What?

And yes, Carrie, we know your mom was a big old dyke with Agnes Moorehead. Why you continue to sweep this under the rug in you books and performances is beyond me. EVERYBODY knows it! Just own it. It's funny how you're so open about some thing, and just lie like crazy about the things you don't want to admit to.

It stood for "Lesbian", R136. It's a hilarious post.

Lutheran, Rose!

I remember seeing on some celeb roast, I guess it was Rob Reiner's, somebody blared out "I wouldn't fuck you with Penny Marshall's dick."

140 posts about this fug who starred in a sitcom in the seventies, and directed one good film ("A League Of their Own")?

R140, Jeffrey Ross said that about Bea Arthur at Jerry Stiller's roast back in the late '90s.

Awakenings was a pretty good film.

She also directed "Big" and "Awakenings."

She's well-liked in Hollywood, has had relationships with some pretty interesting people, and seems like a genuinely interesting person.

Gross.

I always thought she pinged, even on L & S. Of course she was married to Meathead, but when they divorced I thought it was pretty obvious she was a lesbian. Remember the K-Mart commercials with Rosie. I don't know why anyone would be surprised.

I would be extremely disappointed if it is Carrie Fisher. I just watched Wishful Drinking 2 nights ago. I would have expected more of her much earlier than now. She had no reason to be in the closet - no career that would falter. Of course, same for Penny.

Am I crazy or was Carrie with Dan Akroyd who turned around and dumped her by quickly marrying Donna Dixon? Which started a rebound romance with Simon?

She's no Betty Thomas.

I guess Reiner ruined her with his rancid meat head.

She is Hollywood royalty. Just about everybody loves and respects her.

2011 photo - yes, its got to be Carrie.

I think Carrie and Dan Ackroyd were briefly engaged. This was after Carrie and Paul broke up. Or during. Who knows with these crazy kids?

She also dated Stephen Collins around the same time

[quote]OK, but on what planet is Mary Kay Place A-List with a Hollywood pedigree?

On EVERY fucking planet I'm living on!

What kind of people are coming here these days?! Sad!

I'll bite. So what's her pedigree?

Carrie's ex-husband is CAA power gay Bryan Lourde(George Clooney's agent) who is in a long term relationship with Bruce Bozzi Jr who is best friends with Andy Cohen.

Penny didn't even raise Tracy for her first ten years or so. Penny left with her in-laws in New Mexico where she was living with her husband. She divorced him, left the lid and headed for Hollywood where her brother was a successful TV writer.

Anjelica Huston lived in Penny's NY duplex for the two years she shot "SMASH".

When does the National Enquirer print edition come out?

I just can't imagine Penny and Carrie bumping fuzzies. It's got to be a platonic thing.

I'm sure it's Margot Kidder. BTW -- Margot Kidder hates Lynda Carter.

[quote]Carrie's ex-husband is CAA power gay Bryan Lourde(George Clooney's agent) who is in a long term relationship with Bruce Bozzi Jr who is best friends with Andy Cohen.

Where does Kevin Bacon fit into all of this?

Does anyone remember that Jennifer Salt played the frigid daughter Eunice Tate on "Soap" ?

Carrie Fisher was in that awful Sorority Row movie a few years back. One rumor that went around was that Carrie's character, a sorority house mother was supposed to be a lesbian who was having a secret affair with a sorority girl.

Penny always pinged to me until I read her book.

R158 See R110.

It is that nice Betty White.

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"We'll talk about that later, Shirl." So it's been 30 years…

Re the picture on r149. That really photo is so GAY. Two women with court-side seats to the Lakers and not because a dude dragged them there? Def. Gay.

On a side note. I find it sad that women of that age feel compelled to die their hair as if they were still 30 years old.

Why can't women be allowed to grey gracefully too?

there is a milk and Pepsi joke in here somewhere...

L&S had so much gay context. I mean, L&S were scissoring. Carmine was a big dancing queen, Big Rosie Greenbaum looked like she stepped off the set of an Ida Lupino women's prison's flick, and Lenny & Squiggy were obviously lovers. Then when they moved to LA, there was amazon Rhonda and hunky Ed Marinaro whose character didn't seem to own a shirt. And didn't they work in the carpet section of that LA department store lol?

I predict once the Enquirer comes out, we'll be really let down.

What R119 said.

bump

For R136 - Penny Marshall as "Laverne"--

she and Rosie would be the ultimate lesbian power couple.

How come so many lesbians look like Penny and Rosie and Sue Flannery? Are lipstick lesbians a myth, because I've never seen one.

Only on TV do they look that good.

Isn't Portia a lipstick lesbian?

[quote]When does the National Enquirer print edition come out?

Wednesdays in large cities. Surprised no one on this thread evidently has seen a copy yet.

[quote] I think Carrie and Dan Ackroyd were briefly engaged. This was after Carrie and Paul broke up.

Carrie and Paul divorced in 1984. Dan Ackroyd married Donna Dixon in 1983.

R173 there are good looking lesbians in everyday life, but they're more like Jillian Michaels.

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What's the point in coming out if you're an old fart? No one cares.

And you don't affect any positive change by waiting that long. You didn't help other gays when you were younger, so what's the difference?

No one wants to think of Penny Marshall as a sexual being, of any sort, at this time in her life. Yuck.

And she was quite the penis lover just a few years ago, so how in the world is she "gay"?

Penny Marshall is another nutty bisexual/straight attention whore woman who waits to publically come out when she is an asexual old woman. What did she do for young lesbians when she was still a viable sexual being?

p.s. only sexy, youngish people should come out. The rest need to stay IN.

I never knew any personally, but wasn't Danny Thomas one?

amen, r182. Amen!

It is unbelievable to me that someone could not know they are "gay" after the age of forty or fifty. That is very suspect to me.

Generally speaking, it will be a man or woman who cannot find relationships with the opposite sex that they desire.

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"Generally speaking, it will be a man or woman who cannot find relationships with the opposite sex that they desire."

Um, no.

Oh, r187, you mean like my brother Clayton likes to do?

1. 

URBAN DICTIONARY:

A Penny Marshall is an older lesbian woman who seeks relationships ONLY with younger lesbian girls.

This is the lesbian version of a "cougar"

Can be a noun or a verb.

Doris is such a Penny Marshall. She will only date girls in their 20s.

My Grandmother totally Penny-Marshalled that salesgirl from the Gap..

That is so random R190.

R182 = not the sharpest knife in the drawer

Joanna Johnson is an out lesbian and pretty hot.

My fav Penny Marshal moment was when she was on Rosie's show and it was Penny's birthday. Rosie got her the beanie baby she had been looking for (back when it was a fad)..

Penny cries out "You got me GERMMMMAAAAAAINIAAAAAAAAAA hu hu hu" In that whiney gravel voice.

[quote] Does anyone remember that Jennifer Salt played the frigid daughter Eunice Tate on "Soap" ?

I remember she was in Midnight Cowboy and had a relationship with Jon Voight.

[quote] Are lipstick lesbians a myth! because I've never seen one.

No?

Not even one?

Not even I the 1980s?

Wow. Laverne loves boo boo pussy.

Or in the 1970s?

r194, I think her father wrote the Midnight Cowboy screenplay.

Well then, Jennifer Salt has a Hollywood pedigree. Her father is a screenwriter and her mother is an actress.

She's also A list, having written the screenplay for Eat, Pray, Love and is a producer/writer on American Horror Story.

So it's probably Jennifer Salt. The ages are similar -- she's 69 and Penny is 71.

[quote] She's also A list, having written the screenplay for Eat, Pray, Love and is a producer/writer on American Horror Story.

Nd before that she was a producer/writer on "Nip/Tuck."

Her son is a big shot talent agent with CAA. It's her.

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Alexandra Hedison is sort of lipstick, and Susan Flannery when she was younger tended toward lipstick too before she went entirely butch.

Many heterosexual women stop wearing makeup and cut their hair short when they get older. Menopause causes weight gain, thinning hair and skin, wrinkles, hot flashes. Who wants to deal with blow drying hair for an hour when you're having hot flashes? Or wearing makeup when it just cakes up in your wrinkles or bleeds off your lips?

Lesbians aren't the only women who look more butch when they age.

Since we are speaking of lezzes, I looked up Francesca Gregorini and noticed that Ringo is looking frail. He's only 73 but looks about 93.

I am still trying to figure out what r67 is talking about. Tops?

R208, Laverne wore the letter "L" on her sweaters. Sweater - top.

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R208, see R171

[quote]Alexandra Hedison is sort of lipstick, and Susan Flannery when she was younger tended toward lipstick too before she went entirely butch.

No I don't think so.

That chick who was married to Lou Diamond Phillips who went lez for Melissa Etheridge...she was sorta lipsticky, no?

Tammy Lynn Michaels was lipstick to Melissa's butch.

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Julie Cypher, R212. And she went back to men after Melissa.

Gia:

[quote] Susan Flannery when she was younger tended toward lipstick too before she went entirely butch.

She femme'd it up for the screen, but she was and is a stone butch.

Why can't it be Paula Marshall? At least she's pretty.

Gia was butch. She was made up to look like a lipstick lesbian but in short snips of film and when photographed with a gf, she was butch.

I wonder if she was trans. Imagine feeling like a man and not only being in a female body, but being in a body that was considered the ultimate in feminine beauty and being slathered with makeup all the time.

Nice find, R59. Wow, that BI really does seem like Carrie...and it was 2 1/2 years ago! Come on already, Princess!!

Right, R141.

You're right. We usually see much more [italic]meaningful[/italic] threads around here go on and on, to 350 posts or more, about such compelling topics as how to deal with hemorrhoids in one's ass, if you prefer men with womanly asses, or some sales girl at Macy's who gave you the evil eye.

Run along and troll those worthwhile threads.

R222 brilliant!

All snarkiness aside, they both seem like wonderful ladies and God Bless Penny Marshall for sticking by her lover Carrie throughout her mental health issues.

They are a lovely couple.

xoxoxo

Well, it's Friday. Did anyone take a look at the latest issue published today to confirm the name?

In other news, Penny Marshall to appear on Jane Lynch's Hollywood Game night alongside Rosie O'Donnell and Katey Cuoco.

According to Celebitchy it's Carrie.

A source says… Penny Marshall plans to come out of the closet and declare she’s a lesbian!

What’s more, the beloved 70 year-old actress-turned-director will be supported in her announcement by her longterm girlfriend – actress Carrie Fisher, 57…

Penny apparently made the decision to reveal her sexuality when she got the news that she’d beaten cancer after a courageous life-or-death battle that lasted four years.

“Penny says that with her medical problems finally behind her, she’s going to live life to the fullest, and she doesn’t give a rat’s ass if people have a problem with it,” a family insider told The Enquirer.

As a result, twice-divorced Marshall… is ready to announce her relationship with Carrie, said the source.

“Penny and Carrie have been close friends for a long time,” noted the source. “There have been rumors in the gay community that they were a lesbian couple, but they necer confirmed or denied it.

“Penny now wants to live the rest of her life without hiding anything. She’s going to come out of the close.

“Carrie is thrilled, and she’s supporting Penny completely.”

Thank you for sharing.

A lesbian in our family?

[quote]“Penny now wants to live the rest of her life without hiding anything. She’s going to come out of the closet. Carrie is thrilled, and she’s supporting Penny completely.”

I'm sorry, but if anyone drops dead from a coronary after the big reveal, it'll be because of Princess Leia's bombshell.

Hot off the presses, direct from the ENQUIRER:

PENNY MARSHALL GAY SHOCKER

'Laverne' star, 70, READY TO REVEAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CARRIE FISHER

Princess Leia has turned to the lesbian side! Well, I didn't see that coming!

Years ago, Carrie also had a lesbian relationship with actress Joan Hackett, who was once married to Richard Mulligan.

That incident with Rob Reiner, in which he patted MTM on the ass, happened when he was a teenager. No, he shouldn't have done it, but it suggests an excitable adolescent more than a total sleaze.

yep, they're gay!

IS EVERYBODY GAY???

Sorry, but Carrie had no right bitching about Travolta when she was in the closet

This would explain Carrie's obesity, alcoholism and general slovenliness

r220, here is a photo of teenaged Gia at home, *before* her modeling career began. Long, curled hair; glossy lipstick; soft, fuzzy sweater.

Yes, I know: She acted tough and smoked cigarettes. But it takes a lot more than that to be "butch."

Gosh, I wonder how Paul Simon feels right now? Do you think he's known for a long time, or would this be a shock to him?

[quote]Years ago, Carrie also had a lesbian relationship with actress Joan Hackett, who was once married to Richard Mulligan.

And Richard Mulligan was on "Soap," with Jennifer Salt, thus bringing this thread full circle.

Oh I just love Penny and Carrie! And truly wish them well as they burn for all eternity in hell. I mean that from the bottom of my ignorant Christian heart!

Carrie Fisher though, really? Penny I can believe, but wasn't Carrie just a faghag? Did she marry that gay guy when she was in her denial phase so she didn't have to fuck him?

[quote]'Laverne' star, 70, READY TO REVEAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CARRIE FISHER

*Reaction from R2D2:

I blame it on her father.

Carrie married Simon and Penny dated Garfunkel.

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I don't know how I never guessed Fisher was a lesbian before. She was pretty butch as Princess Leia when you think about it. What with her marriages and her general openness about her crazy life it never seemed like she was hiding anything -- that she even *could* hide anything. Maybe she really didn't know.

Did she and Carrie scissor?

Aren't these headlines declaring Penny Marshall and Carrie Fisher "lesbians" misleading? Haven't they both been with several men over the years? Doesn't that make them bisexual? Ugh, I don't get "female sexuality."

The argument that Jennifer Salt was "A-List" was ridiculous.

Carrie's brother married Catherine Hickland.

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[quote]Haven't they both been with several men over the years? Doesn't that make them bisexual? Ugh, I don't get "female sexuality."

To qualify as bisexual don't you have enjoy it? You could closet yourself by marrying a woman today, and you'd still prefer men and be gay. Plus, all we women have to do is have a level of denial, apathy, or wishfullness (wanting a family) and lie there during sex, no erection necessary.

Gay men are so hung up with women being "bisexual" because they fucked a guy twice in their youth.

get.fucking.over.it

I didn't enjoy a second of o=it. She's gross.

So Debbie Reynolds AND her daughter are both gay?!

She scissored Debby Reynolds??!!

I'm telling you... as the girls get older in Hollywood they like the girls. C'est vrai.

Is this what you girls do?

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I think its sweet.

Wait until the truth comes out about Lenny & Squiggy.

Glass houses much, hey Carrie?

r254, I love you.

R263, Lenny & Squiggy were gay in an episode of THE NANNY. Fran and her friend Val moved into a basement apartment (just like Laverne & Shirley's) and their landlords were Lenny & Squiggy, who were a couple. XD

R240 I always thought Edie Brickell was a lesbian so maybe Paul has a type. If you look closely you will find him on Ilene Chaikens The L Word Chart.

I'm eating Jenny.

[quote]Carrie, schilling for Jenny Craig

Would that be "I'm not a lesbian but I play one on TV" Taylor Schilling?

Oh, dear.

I don't think Carrie is really a lesbian. She just ran out of men willing to fuck her, and turned to her BFF.

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When was that frumpy butch bimbo ever IN the closet?

In a story where Princess Leia and Laverne DeFazio are discovered to be lesbian lovers, in what galaxy would Laverne get top billing?

there are also some older photos of them on getty images, if anyone is interested

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For awhile it seemed like everyone knew Carrie was a carpet muncher. Then she came out...as insane. Her career became some kind of depression spiral, half-assed self help promotion of shock treatments and no one really cared about her sexuality. Then she was thought of as mostly straight for the last decade.

My, how things come full circle...the people are hot, known to be gay, decline in career, become straight, and finally feel comfortable enough to come out when less than 2% of the population still cares.

I do have my doubts about this outing though. Maybe because I've been in the system long enough--TOO LONG--I can't see Disney not putting pressure on the tabs to shut this down, and/or for Carrie to deny it. Could get interesting with a new SW Trilogy to protect.

But maybe she's Ian McKellen: a safe out-gay in a major film franchise.

"In a story where Princess Leia and Laverne DeFazio are discovered to be lesbian lovers, in what galaxy would Laverne get top billing?"

In the dying print magazine galaxy. An "A List" blind item might get them to buy to find out the answer.

[quote]Everyone already knew she was gay, from the deep manly voice, butch persona, and sports obsession

I get that too and I'm not gay

[quote]Everyone already knew she was gay, from the deep manly voice, butch persona, and sports obsession

Yeah, I get that too. Not gay either.

R270, that's an extremely ignorant and ancient view of women or lesbians. It worked fine in 1950, not now.

Put it the other way around:

"I don't think Victor Garber is really gay. He just ran out of women willing to fuck him, and turned to his BFF".

It's so totally fucking weird that Carrie Fisher has made a life career of publishing tell-all stories about herself that omit the fact that she is gay.

It's so weird that in one of Carrie Fisher's tell-all stories, she talks about how she married a gay man. But doesn't talk about being gay herself.

It's so weird that Carrie Fisher outed John Travolta TWICE in gay magazines (once in The Advocate and once in OUT), but didn't mention the fact that she has been in a gay relationship for years.

maybe keeping her mom's secret has been part of the problem, r282.

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[quote]It's so weird that Carrie Fisher outed John Travolta TWICE in gay magazines (once in The Advocate and once in OUT), but didn't mention the fact that she has been in a gay relationship for years.

Its a bit like Betty White outing Cary Grant (as an aside) on the Joy Behar show but not mentioning that her husband, Allen Ludden, was gay gay gay.

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will they get hitched?

This thread is extremely interesting. I fully support Penny. As a raging heterosexual, I can only guess at what it's like living in the closet: lying about your lovers, hiding your true feelings, trying to be someone you're not...

I'm purely speculating, by the way.

Have either Penny or Carrie made a comment? I would think if it wasn't true, one of them would have made a public statement denying the story.

When is the announcement supposed to occur?

If it were not true attorneys would have already filed.

The print Enquirer says that it's Carrie Fisher.

R240 Paul Simon is aware and accepting of the fact that he's a lesbian.

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r282

It's weird that anyone would care about a celbrity that hasn't done anything relevant since Star Wars

The rumors have quieted down in recent years but there were many rumors (the where-there's-smoke-there's-fire type) that Paul Simon is into big black men.

I read an interview with Carrie from the 90s where she mentioned being outed with Penny in the Advocate.

I have a feeling this NE story isn't true, but it would not surprise me if it was, either. Sitting firmly on the fence with this one.

[quote] Paul Simon is into big black men.

I hope he hasn't been to Missouri lately.

It's been denied by both parties as being nonsense. Which it is.

Carrie's pretty much asexual at this point. Years of shock therapy will do that to you. Plus the notion that a woman who told how she was institutionalized at one point for completely losing her marbles would be afraid to discuss her homosexual experiences is ludicrous at best. It's ten times easier to come out as gay in Hollywood than admit you're mentally ill. Just ask Margot Kidder. Carrie has never been much for sex anyways, She was always more of a partier in her heyday.

Penny got around a lot in Hollywood during the 70's and 80's. And sorry, no women. She was strictly dickly. And yes, she worked her way though quite a number of high profiled Hollywood actors. Some would completely surprise you. Carrie fixed her up with most of them, too.

[quote]If it were not true attorneys would have already filed.

Oh no they wouldn't. This isn't 1991. Not every fucking celebrity is some sue-happy Tom Cruise and a couple of old biddies are going to give a fuck that someone thinks they're lesbians.

Their probably laughing their asses off about it. Hell, I'd bet one of them fed this story to the paper for shits and giggles.

[quote] It's been denied by both parties as being nonsense.

Link?

[quote]Carrie has never been much for sex anyways.

Anyone who uses the word anyways immediately loses all credibility.

Does Mark Hamill have the AIDS?

R299, you have quite an imagination.

I'm not concerned about getting credibility credentials from posters who think lawyers would have actually gotten involved in this.

Keep grasping for straws.

This is a front page story on a major ( trashy but popular) American newspaper.

Any star would jump at the chance to pocket an easy couple of million in a law suit if the story were entirely false.

And the issue would be settled out of court so its not as if the parties would have to worry about hanging out their laundry.

I believe there is something to the story.

I think the NE just suckered us. Neither Penny nor Carrie are coming out as a couple. And maybe they even aren't even gay/bisexual.

[quote]Any star would jump at the chance to pocket an easy couple of million in a law suit if the story were entirely false.

But in the meantime, Penny and Carrie, would look like assholes. Nowadays, only the homophobes and the extremely closeted sue over gay allegations. P and C don't seem like the type to give two shits about this.

Besides, they do hang out personally, so the NE could always claim they misread the situation or whatever.

Gawker did a piece on NE stories and while the NE story process is rigorous for the big reveals (like John Edwards and Travolat) NE employees acknowledged that " some factual leniency in their publications. Distinguishing fact from fiction is part of the tabloid reader's game, said one editorial staffer. "You have to know how to read the magazine, you know? Some people don't get it."

So there you go, the stuff the NE prints is true, unless it's not.

[quote]Besides, they do hang out personally, so the NE could always claim they misread the situation or whatever.

It doesn't work this way. The law doesn't allow for misinterpretation.

There is going to be a big snowstorm in the NE tonight.

FWIW, Celebitchy has an email from somepne who claims to be a longtime friend of Penny and Carrie and says the NE story is bullshit.

that's right, she's not coming out. not this time, maybe later.

Wrong R309. The whole freedom of "press" thing and defamation claims can get pretty murky especially when it comes to public figures. It's how they can constantly make up and print all kinds of shit about Jennifer Aniston, for instance. A lot of the time, responding to bullshit is more trouble than it's worth.

Again-- [quote]Gawker did a piece on NE stories and while the NE story process is rigorous for the big reveals (like John Edwards and Travolat) NE employees acknowledged that " some factual leniency in their publications. Distinguishing fact from fiction is part of the tabloid reader's game, said one editorial staffer. "You have to know how to read the magazine, you know? Some people don't get it."

I recall one of the late night shows about 2000 had Carrie Fisher as a guest ( I think maybe Leno or Conan, I can't remember) The host brought up the subject "So, what about those stories about you and Penny Marshall?" Carrie laughed and said something like, "Yeah, right!" Then in a PERFECT imitation of Penny's nasal voice, Carrie said "Ohhhhh Care-weee...I wooooove yoooooo!"

It could NOT have been Leno - he would have neve asked such a question.

What R299 said.

"It's how they can constantly make up and print all kinds of shit about Jennifer Aniston, for instance. A lot of the time, responding to bullshit is more trouble than it's worth."

A good rule of thumb is that if a story is REALLY unflattering or scandalous (the kind of thing someone that would cause someone to sue), it's probably true. If it's more run-of-the-mill crap (so-and-so threw a diva fit at Starbucks! So-and-so are dating!) it's probably fake or exaggerated.

Carrie denying it means nothing to me, she was furious that her dad had outed her mom as bi in his bio. She didn't deny her mom had affairs with women, she was just furious that it was exposed. A bi mother would have a good chance of producing a bi or gay daughter, and Carrie would be perfectly comfortable staying closeted.

Remember when Jay Leno wouldn't date Penny Marshall cause she wasn't feminine enough?

r299 is so full of shit. I can't even...

[quote] Carrie denying it means nothing to me, she was furious that her dad had outed her mom as bi in his bio.

I've never heard that mentioned before. I've heard the Reynolds/Moorhead rumours but not that Eddie confirmed that Debbie wasn't straight. Link?

He took it out of the book because Debbie threatened to sue.

Carrie inned her mom. Is anyone surprised that she's denying being Penny's carpet cleaner?

Plus: Disney. No matter how old Carrie is, Disney does not want a gay Princess Leia. The industry panics over the "wrong" associations with big properties.

Yet Disney sponsors big ole' GAY DAYS bashes?! Does not compute, R323. Carrie does not want to be a poster child (er, elder) for the gay community. Period.

Gay Days is not sponsored by Disney, R324.

"He took it out of the book because Debbie threatened to sue."

I heard that it was Carrie who asked him to leave the "Debbie is gay" stuff out of the book

Whatever, R325. The company's name is associated with the event, is it not? Disney obviously does not consider the gay community a "wrong" association. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Shirl..remember when Rosie Greenbaum said that no one was gonna see my nighties but you?

Well, that wouldn't be sucha bad thing.

Announced Carrie is going to be in the next Star Wars installment, so maybe that is why she doesn't want to come out.

My,my,my what angry people we are to insult Penny Marshall.And for what? How about some tolerance? What difference does it make how old Penny is? This is a typical example of senior citizen bigotry. If Penny was younger and more attractive,there probably would be no comments like old hag, or bullshit like that.I feel that if Penny and Carrie Fisher are a lesbian couple or bisexual or whatever, we should be more tolerant and supportive of both of them.

so, did she come out yet?

lol at r325

She not only didn't come out she dragged Carrie six feet under.

I honestly hate this cunt. I blame her for Carrie's death.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8, Shlemiel, Schlemazel, Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!!!

That article is 3 years old. That must be some gigantic closet.

Shirley pushed her back in.

Laverne) Why are we in this store, we can't afford anything here.

Shirley) We'll just browse, see the latest styles, fashions and trends, then run down the street to Woolworth and get the same exact thing.

did she go back in?

[quote]Nobody gives a damn about a 70 year old coming out.

Sure, NOW you tell me!

What straight woman has this kind of collection?

Bullshit, not a closet that could hold her.