Remembering Guy Madison

Yep.

The studios put out a lot of shirtless photos of him in swimsuits.

R1, Brians Drive-in doesn't let you link pics for some reason. Here's a "famous" pic of Guy (on left) with Robert Mitchum.

Love that pic with Mitchum--looks like Guy's about to kiss him.

He was into archery.

Guy

Cute puppy

Guy Madison and Robert Walker

He was fucking gorgeous.

Has Sarah Palin weighed in?

[quote]He was into archery. He was into being fucked by Rory Calhoun.

His boyish turned-up nose, full lips and blonde curls.....combined with his hairy chest and legs and manly physique were quite incomparable!

Follow the treasure trail

I defy anyone to watch Till the End of Time all the way through and keep their pants on.

What I find interesting about these beefcake photos of Guy from the 1940s is the all the prominently featured body hair which had been considered fairly verboten in films of the 1920s and 1930s. %0D %0D Sadly, it is now as well.

That photo of Guy with Robert Mitchum is HOT!! Weren't they both bi? You just know they banged each other.

[quote]He was into being fucked by Rory Calhoun.%0D %0D Well, that was according to a book about their agent, Henry Wilson. There was a VERY hot passage in that book describing Calhoun pounding Guy's ripe ass in his car in the driveway of his home.%0D %0D Pic of Calhoun here.

Hot Guy

Guy cries in bed, shirtless, in TIL THE END OF TIME.

High point of his career.

He was definitely hot in Till the End of Time. I remember that one scene where his big naked feet were sticking out of his bed.

in r7's pic..zoom in. Looks like something hanging out of those shorts.

nsfw

omg

That omg needs authorization.

Honey, they sure don't have guys like that in Hollywood anymore! Oh man! Both Roy Calhoun and Guy Madison are two of the many studs that came out of that period in Hollywood that you just can't take your eyes off of.

BTW, I think I have heard that Roy Calhoun came out of the closet later in life. He said he was 100% gay.

I don't think Robert Mitchum was bisexual though. I never heard that one.

Mitchum was a hobo in his teens--I imagine he got some homohobo sex when he was hopping freights...

There's something going on in this one:

Was that common in a life as a hobo to have sex with other hobos R26?

BTW, he read he ran always from home around at the age of 13 because his parents got a divorced. His mother was a suffragette, and had writers and intellectuals around her house. His father was a railroad worker who died when Mitchum was only 2 years old. Mitchum's stepfather was a British army major. Mitchm was an intellectual like his mother.

They weren't called Wild Boys of the Road for nothing.

[quote]I don't think Robert Mitchum was bisexual though. I never heard that one.%0D %0D I heard that one on the set of War and Remembrance. %0D %0D

What a beautiful man.

Robert Mitchum very much might have been bisexual, if not gay. There have been many stories over the years. Shirley MacLaine was in a relationship with him and alluded that he was "a sensitive man with many layers and secrets." I have read other accounts of his attraction to men, as well. NO specific stories of anyone who hooked up with him, though.

Mr. Wilson apparently had sex with both Rory and Bob Conrad to see who would get the part of James West in the Wild Wild West. Bobby must have been better, since he got it. Guy was up for the part too, but maybe because Mr. WIlson already had him, he didn't even get a try-out.

here to tell you Mitchum was a functional bi who preferred men

Willson never had Rory and Guy. They had each other and it broke his heart. "'Rory was fucking Guy. And they always told me they didn't like to do it with men,' [Willson said.] He confronted Guy, who insisted that his dalliance was a momentary lapse, the first and only time. 'But I knew it couldn't be true,' said Henry. 'Rory was so big, and Guy was taking him with no problem.' Rory later confessed that yes, their affair had been going on for months." [Well, we hear Hollywood always loves a big opening.]

Rory Calhoun was a jailhouse thug. Guy liked 'em rough.

Guy and Rory were really past their prime at the time that Wild Wild West was being cast. They had each starred in long-popular 1950s Westerns of their own (Guy was Wild Bill Hickock; can't remember the name of Rory's series) but considered has-beens by the target audience (teen boys) for the new show. %0D %0D Even Bob Conrad was no spring chicken by the mid-60s but, of course, was still in amazing shape. I don't think Guy or Rory could have pulled off all those shirtless S&M scenes.

So effective in his short scene in SINCE YOU WENT AWAY.

Gorgeous guy but a crappy dancer:

His dancing was okay in that clip, maybe a little slow for jitterbugging, but he still looked sexy doing it.

Among the clips above is one that says it has Guy in 5 Against the House....but is that him talking to Brian Keith in the clip? It doesn't look like him to me, though I believe he is in that movie.%0D %0D And yes, he was a crappy dancer! That girl was practically dragging him through the jitterbug like he was a wooden mannequin.

No, that's not Guy in that clip with Keith. There's another clip for the trailer for that flick and you can see Guy (who looks a lot older and has dark hair). Never seen that movie, but it looks like it is basically Oceans 11. By the way, the crew-cut guy in that clip is Green Acres' Hank Kimball!

And the waiter in the jitterbug clip is Harry Von Zell from Burns and Allen!

Sorry, the man was a lox and had two left feet. In the clip the only thing that made him look good was Jean Porter, who could dance. I still love Guy and have ever since I was a kid and saw Wild Bill Hickock.

Man, that jitterbug music just reminded me of how thrilling MUSIC was at that time in history. The beat, the rhythm, the instruments all helped Madison's lackluster dancing to have some "heat," in addition to how gorgeous he was.%0D %0D Doesn't that music just make your pulse race in ways that music today does NOT? And men don't look like that, either. Sigh.

[r44] me2, fell absolutely and obsessively "in love" with him ... I knew exactly what I was because of him and virtually swooned when I found out the distinct possibility that we were two of a kind ...

Since You Went Away, with a short appearance by Guy Madison, on TCM Saturday.

Is there a biography that anyone can recommend that mentions Robert Mitchum's bisexuality? Also, is there a biography on Guy Madison and Roy Calhoun? Thanks!

[quote]That girl was practically dragging him through the jitterbug like he was a wooden mannequin.%0D %0D To be fair, that was part of his character's storyline. He was supposed to have been somewhat reluctantly dragged out there by a younger enthusiastic teen-ager. In the film, his character has trouble fitting back in society and he's also dating a more sophisticated woman.

Guy Madison was incredibly hot! Not just his smoking looks, but also his voice!%0D %0D I also thought Steve Cochran was damn hot too--and very masculine.

The Henry Wilson book was good. Henry had a thing for Guy and he saw Rory fucking Guy in the backseat of their car. He said Rory had a huge dick.

I believe it was the book or some website but even thought both Rory and Guy married women they stayed good friends throughout their lives.

Rory and Guy were the first stars christened by Willson with unique names. %0D %0D The names got progressively wackier with the years; Rock and Tab gave way to Troy, culminating in Ty Hardin. I know I'm missing a few good ones in between.

Are there any pics of Guy Madison in his later years? It would be interesting to see how he aged. He died in 1996.%0D %0D In his youth he was one of the most gorgeous men who ever worked in Hollywood. He was prettier than a lot of actresses.

Here's one I found pretty easily, R53. Apparently aged pretty nicely.

Another beautiful actor from the fifties may have been the most beautiful of them all: Jeff Richards. Does anyone else remember him? He was the second oldest brother, after Howard Keel, in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. It's funny, but Jeff, Guy, and Rory were all born in 1922. That fact should be in schoolbooks.

R54, Guy Madison was still hot when he aged, Wow! R55, I agree with you. Jeff Richards was a major hunk! Also, Clint Walker and John Gavin were both extremely amazing! and gorgeous studs!

Op, is there some reason that you did not post a pic of this person who died before many of us were born? There are people on here who are not 70 years old and maybe they would like to participate in this thread. You might be a fat, lazy old slob in your personal life, but please don't let it spill over into your posting. Just post a picture, it tAkes mere seconds. Don't be so lazy.

r57 ever hear of google?Talk about LAZY. Your fucking generation is such a bunch of dumb, self absorbed losers. Climb into a hole and drool over Justin Bieber - or however the fuck you spell his name. and I am not op nor 70.

The whole point of coming to a gossip site like DL is to enagage in conversation. Of course, most of the questions that are posed here could be answered by researching the internet, but then why come here? It's about sharing opinions and answers.%0D %0D Jeff Richards also played Buck Winston in The Opposite Sex, MGM's less than successful musical of The Women. So between that and 7 Brides, MGM must have had a lot invested in him . He was the only 7 Brides brother who couldn't sing or dance at all and just sits out the numbers on the sidelines...but he sure looked the best in his long johns.

That story of him getting pounded by Rory Calhoun in a car in the Wilson book was so damn hot! Especially the rocking car detail that Madison was a pro at bottoming because Calhoun was huge and Madison clearly had no problem getting pounded.

And, wow, he sure aged well. Love that face at R54.

From this era, also check out Italian actor, Terence Hill.

Here's Jeff Richards. Apparently, men who were born in 1922 were all smoking hot!

Yes R12, at least when he first started. His looks were gone however by 1950. Too many ciggies and booze aged him by about 20 years.

And I should know.

Here's the actual photo that got Henry Willson's attention...

R54 -- that photo isn't from his "later years", it's from his run as Wild Bill Hickock, on television from 1951-58.

Dang, Guy was showing muscles when he was just a teenager. Check out this pic of him as a teen (from his own daughter's website dedicated to him). Very hot!

Guy Madison in late 1980's.

Guy's daughter has always been fiercely protective of that website and doesn't allow any questions or intimations of the homosex.%0D %0D Guy's ex-wife Gail Russell was a real hell-raiser....alcoholic with violent tendencies. Not exactly the best bearding material.

Taken from Rory Calhoun's IMDB file:

Guy Madison was one of his closest friends. The two men often went on fishing and hunting trips.

Sounds too much like Brokeback Mountain.

I'm surprised no one mentioned that Musto put in his 2-cents too . . .

Nice photos in Michael Musto's Village Voice column. I wonder if he got inspired by this thread.

No doubt he was, R72. And did you catch this among his pics (in the comments section)?

WOW! R71 after observing those pictures of Guy Madison, I need some major smelling slats because I%E2%80%99m going to faint by his breath taking gorgeousness. Oh Man! he was incredulity hot and truly beautiful.

This is R74. I meant to say salts instead of slats, LOL. A major oops! so sorry.

Ther is a famous color photo of Rory Calhoun standing on the edge of a docked boat with a cig dangling from his lips - he is wearing skin-tight jeans with a MASSIVE bulge. He was hung huge...He must have torn up Guy's ass but good.%0D %0D Of course, I couldn't find it on the web...could someone please post it?

R76, I remember seeing that photo of Roy Calhoun. Wasn't he wearing like a sailor%E2%80%99s outfit on his boat? He was just a breathtaking stud in that picture. These male movie stars back then were like the male princes in the Disney cartoons that lived happily ever after with Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, and Cinderella. Their looks were just astounding perfection.

Closest sailor Rory pic I could find.

Found it! %0D %0D See what I mean?

Fabulous package. Thanks 79.

wow, cool pic.

Rent/watch FIVE AGAINST THE HOUSE for a Guy Madison/Kerwin Mathews pants explosion! (They seem to have been cloned in the same lab).

Gail Russell watching hubby Guy Madison playing cupid?

Best buds, fishing.

Hmmm.... yummy photo R84

here's a bunch of pictures of Guy

and here's a bunch of pictures of Rory Calhoun (including a couple of Guy)

Guy was gorgeous, but he wasn't much of an actor. I understand his daughter being protective; who wants it out for the world to see that your dad was a slut pig bottom who serviced all big-dicked comers?

Oh my CHRIST Guy was gorgeous.

Aesthetics notwithstanding...Robert Mitchum was WAAAYY sexier.

Guy singing to himself:

"Oh my man I love him so...he'll never know...

All my life is just despair, but I don't care..

When he takes me in his arms.."

Guy's film debut in the 1944 epic tear jerker "Since You Went Away"...starring Claudette Colbert,Joseph Cotten,Robert Walker,Jennifer Jones,Shirley Temple and Hattie McDaniel....as "Fidelia"

Now I have no idea if the director was gay but SOMEBODY sure wanted to present Guy as a glamorous sex object....complete with angelic close-ups and Vaseline on the lens. His beauty shots rival those of Colbert's and Jones'!

Is it just me or does this scene not drip with bisexual subtext?

R92, those scenes were written specifically to give film audiences an introductory sneak peek at Guy Madison.

Like the sailor he plays, he was on his way out of town to serve in the armed forces. When he returned to Hollywood after the war, he discovered that the film had made him a hot commodity, and that a movie career was awaiting him.

my cock loves it

Swoon!

Guy seemed to have thing for bows and arrows.

Off to the bus station . . . to get some DICK!

r92 No one's ever looked better in Navy blues and a cap. Sigh.....

I love this picture of Guy....

Heard him on his "Wild Bill Hickock" radio show the other day (with Andy Devine as "Jingles.")

Guy Madison in his Navy blues and cap(thank you, r98 for pointing that out) is a 'Tom of Finland' drawing cum to life.

He gives me a tremendous boner.

Sadly, that nude pic of a guy standing in the water is not the GUY. He is just one of those models who posed for all those naked vintage pics way back in the day. There are several more of that same guy with a buddy and it shows that he is definitely not Guy.

One of Rory's ex-wives was Lita Baron who you will remember for her guest appearance in an "I Love Lucy" episode. Fred plays a taxi driver who is taking her to the night club by way of "Piladelphia."

I just saw MASSACRE RIVER, with Guy and Rory Calhoun at the height of their beauty. I really hope they were fucking.

MASSACRE RIVER is a good film. And it has a wonderful sequence early on where Guy and Rory are told that there's a bath of hot water waiting for whoever gets there first. Cue them both manhandling each other as they race to the tub, climbing over each other, pulling their clothes off as they go. Rory gets there first and then pulls Guy into the bath with him. Later on Guy is shown having his own bath, while Rory and another dude are chatting away with him. The camera does seem to linger on him as he soaps up his lush body...

Guy's turn...

Thank you R105 and 106. Excruciating to consider how much more skin we'd see if that were a pre-code film.

That passage about Rory fucking Guy's butt in the back seat of that Jaguar...all kinds of hot.

And wasn't it supposed to be pouring down rain as they fucked? Because that makes it even hotter for me.

Guy and Rory in domestic bliss. Each was married to others, but the thought of them getting together on weekend fishing trips is all kinds of hot.

[R110] - Ohhhhhh! Is that Franciscan Coronado? They probably got the set as a wedding gift.

Very good, R111.

I think Rory was hotter than Guy....but then I've always been a sucker for fair skinned, dark haired, rosy cheeked, blue or green eyed men.

More pictures from MASSACRE RIVER, with Guy in the bath and Rory leaning over the tub and peering in...

What are some of Guy's better films? He worked with a few great directors along the way.

R92 Wow that clip!

Madison almost has a James Dean thing going on in that clip.. If he hd been born a bit later and had made his film debut in 1954 instead of 1944 he probably would have had quite a different career.

His son Roberto is an actor in Italy. He did not inherit his fathers looks.

The look of love...

That was awesome, R117.

I like them as a couple. I hope they were indeed that close, once upon a time... They were hot together.

I just watched TILL THE END OF TIME, which is pretty good. Guy is the star of the film, but his acting ability is, well... limited. Not that it matters. Robert Mitchum is the real star. There's a scene on a beach where Guy's just wearing trunks, but for some baffling reason it's filmed in near darkness. Johnny Sands is also in the film, in a small role. He's the actor who is in the scene posted upthread in MASSACRE RIVER. And, like Guy and Rory, he was another one of Henry Willson's discoveries.

I was trying to date the picture below, which I love. Also, who are the two actresses accompanying Guy and Rory there? Someone in the recent Gail Russell thread said the actress on the right is Deanna Durbin, but I think it looks more like Rhonda Fleming (another Willson discovery), who appeared alongside Rory in ADVENTURE ISLAND in 1947. The actress in the left is supposedly Cathy Downs, who starred alongside them both in MASSACRE RIVER, filmed in 1948. Anyway, it's a lovely picture....

Only on DL could there be a thread about Guy Madison.

And only on DL could that thread about Guy Madison have a side-car about china.

Here's a photo of Rory and Cathy Downs at Ciro's in March 1946. I read that Guy Madison started seeing (or being seen with) Cathy on New Years Eve of that year. Apparently because Gail Russell was in New York at the time, but was he really seeing Gail as early as '46? I guess these photos and stories of young actors out with young actresses from the same agencies and studios was all obviously part of the business. It's interesting that here you have Rory with Cathy Downs in March 1946 and Guy is connected to her nine months later, and all three make a film together in 1948. I would place the photo above of Rory, Guy, Cathy and Rhonda Fleming at somewhere around 1947....

Guy Madison and Dorothy McGuire.

[R119] - I love that the boys have girlier hair than the girls. I can't remember, did I do their "dos"?

"Guy Madison holds up his friend Donny in Laguna Beach":

Guy escorts Judy Garland to the premiere of SINCE YOU WENT AWAY (1944)....

And here he is showing Judy his big gun on the set of WILD BILL HICKOK probably 10 years later....

Guy dancing with a guy....

This is a great video of various Hollywood stars caught on silent film in the mid-1940s. Guy Madison appears near the start, looking impossibly gorgeous in a white sweater. Rory Calhoun appears a few minutes later with Celeste Holm.....

And of course I did a gif of him in his sweater, while masturbating furiously....

R128 That video is from an era long ago and far away... but of those people shown, 4 are still with us..

r130 That's incredible considering it was shot 70 years ago!

I just watched 5 AGAINST THE HOUSE (1955) with Guy and Kim Novak. It was apparently an influence on Scorsese's CASINO and it's a casino heist movie that predates OCEAN'S 11. His looks are just starting to mature at this point, but he's still gorgeous and his beautifully warm, shy smile remains intact. His acting is much improved in the 10 years since his first movie, too. Not a great film but enjoyable....

Looking at the trailer for 5 AGAINST THE HOUSE, you can see why Madison's career fizzled as he got older. He's still young at 33 and still handsome but the boyishness that made him a standout is gone. He looks sort of slight, like a scrawny version of Bill Holden.

r132 I agree. It is surprising how early he began to lose his youthful luster. It's noteworthy that EAST OF EDEN came out in 1955. Guy was only 9 years older than James Dean but he looks like the old guard by this point. The one film of his I want to see more than any other is THE BEAST OF HOLLOW MOUNTAIN, which he made a year later. It's a "weird western" co-starring a dinosaur!

Rory was mainly a B-movie star, often out west, his best known now are those Fox Monroe vehicles RIVER OF NO RETURN (where Mitchum is the lead() and HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE where he is teamed with Betty Grable. Guy had a better career, HILDA CRANE with Jean Simmons is good in 1956, one of the first movies I saw as a kid was his 1954 western THE COMMAND. He is so hot in that clip from SINCE YOU WENT AWAY - presumably thats his whole role in the film. A sailor looking that that would have got lots of action,

Kerwin Matthews, also in Five Against The House, was just as handsome and really was gay too, he lived with a partner all his adult life, and died a few years ago.

Guy accompanying Shirley Temple to the premiere of SINCE YOU WENT AWAY....

[quote]Rory was mainly a B-movie star

He was known to a new generation as a regular on the soap opera "Capital". It ran through the 1980s.

[quote]And only on DL could that thread about Guy Madison have a side-car about china.

And only on DL on a thread about Guy Madson with a digression about dinnerware could include a bitchy SUB-digression that points out the referenced dishes were not a "china" at all but rather a clay-bodied earthenware patented as "Malanite".

Re: the VERY homoerotic gif at R117.

Now, THAT'S the kind of hot chemistry that was sorely lacking in Brokeback!

Another photo of Guy at Ciro's. This time in 1949 with Gail Russell (the year they were married)....

Re: Ciro's

What they would have been eating

He was so wooden and stiff in SINCE YOU WENT AWAY it was laughable. I haven't seen such an awful line reading since...never.

r141 Wow, that's fantastic. I just found this entry in a book about Ciro's:

[quote]French cuisine by chef Rene Milesi was featured at Ciro’s. A full course meal at Ciro’s cost between $3.75 and $5, and most drinks were $1. Guests who had special food preferences include the following: Errol Flynn (octopus), Diana Lynn (fried chicken), Rory Calhoun (rare prime rib), Lana Turner (seafood). Lizabeth Scott (pheasant), and Peter Lawford (calf’s liver and bacon). Sonja Henie was known to make coffee with her personal formula of salt and eggshells; Jimmy Durante was known to prepare veal scallopini; and Keenan Wynn would sometimes prepare a whole meal.

Rare prime rib! I wonder what Guy's preferences were. In that photo of him and Gail there are three drinks on their table. I wonder who they were dining with.

Guy's primary interest seemed to be archery. There are loads of photos online. Guy and Gail...

That turned up nose was quite adorable on a man in his 20s but less sexy on a cowboy in his 30s.

In white shorts....

Sharing an arrow with a blonde friend...

Guy and Rory showing Henry Willson how to make a quiver....

And a shirtless Rory getting in on the action...

Rory didn't really have the greatest body and was rarely filmed shirtless. He had very narrow shoulders. But his face and dick were everything.

Rory definitely didn't look after himself physically, but he looks so fine in this pic....

Young Guy, hands on hips....

[quote]A date with Guy Madison was Erlene Slater’s ‘consequence’ on “Truth or Consequences” emceed by Ralph Edwards in 1947.

Oh to be Erlene Slater on that night in 1947. I wonder if Guy gave her a portion....

That story about him and Rory in the back seat of tha Jag...mmmm.

R110 So I guess that photo implies Guy is the bottom. He's washing while Rory is drying.

I assume the photo at r110 is from around 1953. There's another picture from the photoshoot below.

[quote]For an evening of fun, Guy Madison, Rory Calhoun and wife Lita Baron, Adrian Booth and husband David Brian and Rhonda Fleming play the milk bottle and clothespin game.

It must be Rory Calhoun's house because David Brian co-starred with him in DAWN AT SOCORRO, released in 1954. I guess Rhonda Fleming came with Guy. She seems to have been a longtime friend of the pair going back to their earliest days in Hollywood. She was also a Henry Willson discovery...

The funny thing is that Rory really was a thug. I just bought Since You Went Away from Amazon. I'll watch it tonight.

Rory and his naturally ripped body. You don't get this in a gym.

More pits

Here's another photo of Guy and Rhonda, on the set of BULLWHIP (1958):

From Rory Calhoun's bio: At age thirteen, he stole a revolver, for which he was sent to the California Youth Authority's Preston School of Industry reformatory at Ione, California. He escaped while in the adjustment center (jail within the jail). After robbing several jewelry stores, he stole a car and drove it across state lines. This made it a federal offense, and when he was recaptured, he was sentenced to three years in prison. He served his sentence at the United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri. After finishing his sentence, he was transferred to San Quentin prison on other charges. He remained there until he was paroled shortly before his twenty-first birthday.

Guy Madison with wife Sheila and their children

Giving it the come hither on the beach. What a strumpet!!!

"Hello, sailor..."

Guy Madison was a completely manufactured Hollywood star. Robert Moseley (1922-1996) was a former California lifeguard working as a telephone lineman when he answered his nation’s call by enlisting in the Coast Guard at the onset of WWII. During a weekend leave in 1943 Moseley attended a broadcast of a Lux Radio Theater program, where he was spotted by Henry Willson, then a talent scout for David O. Selznick. Selznick was looking for an unknown to play a sailor in a cameo role in a new film, Since You Went Away. Willson spotted the spectacularly handsome soldier among the audience and thought he looked terrific in his uniform. Turns out he looked even better without it.

With no experience, training or ambition to be an actor, Moseley was signed as an extra. He completed his scene while on a weekend pass and returned to duty. When the big-budget war epic was released in 1944, Selznick’s studio received thousands of fan letters for the unknown actor. Three minutes of on-screen time had in fact elicited 43,000 pieces of fan mail. Willson thought Robert Moseley too lackluster a name, so he created the more tantalizing moniker Guy Madison, who thus joined Henry’s stable of male stars whose physical appeal transcended lack of talent.

So long as he kept his shirt off, Madison’s public was more than happy to buy tickets to his movies. His unselfconscious screen persona, shy smile and mind-altering good looks delivered him to the very peak of the 1950s beefcake craze. His wooden acting, however, sent him straight into the arms of television, where he became a household name as the star of The Adventures of Wild Bill Hickok, a startlingly successful TV series that ran from 1951 to 1958.

You might want to know that subsequent lack of work led Madison to Europe, where he starred in a string of spaghetti westerns and B-grade German adventure films for ten years.

Genetic evidence that beauty is inherited, as revealed in this photo of Madison's only son Roberto (born 1967 in Rome), who is today a major star of Italian television.

Guy comforting Bill Williams, on a bed....

He was that one and a billion looker. His son is almost as hot.

Another picture of Guy and Rory at home. This time I think it's Guy's home....

Oh, what I wouldn't give!

He doesn't look a bit dated in any of his photos. His looks are timeless. This could be in some ad campaign today.

[R128]: I count 3: Anne Jeffreys, Jane Powell, Olivia deHavilland. Who's #4?

Cesar "Butch" Romero was the first Gingham Gay!

Just five men getting wet together (terrible quality, unfortunately):

About to climb into the back seat where Rory awaits....

"Sure. I'll talk about Guy." by Henry Willson. Sadly the quality of the photo isn't sharp enough to read the text, but there are several pictures of Guy and Rory, plus Henry. From 1946....

Henry was the luckiest ugly queerball ever.

Fuck you, r167!

Why does Guy look blond in some pictures and dark-haired in others?

This is one of the best photos of Guy:

His legs were a bit thin but that face!!

R173 Jane Withers.

He was so athletic!

With all the shit going on in the world...it's just so nice to read a thread about Guy Madison.

Would you all agree that Guy, discovered in 1944, was the first genuine pinup boy of Hollywood? I'm truly amazed at all of the photos of him shirtless, that were used to publicize his career. Had anyone done as much of that before? What was the public's reaction (other than the gay public)?

Was Guy Henry Willson's first homo-erotic client?

Guy going snorkeling?

Guy getting ready to shoot.

Guy about to shoot.

[quote]Would you all agree that Guy, discovered in 1944, was the first genuine pinup boy of Hollywood? I

Guy was the first full fledged pinup boy but the concept probably started with George O'Brien. Lot's of shirtless pics and nudes.

Dreamboat!

He made an Italian film in 1964 called GENTLEMEN OF THE NIGHT. Sadly, it doesn't appear to be about male prostitution....

OMG that photo of him at r163 with his 2nd wife and 3 kids! What a drain that marriage must have been on him.

He doesn't look like the same person. He looks lost and the curl has gone completely out of his hair.

I wonder if many of his '60s European films are available online. Screencaps of LSD: FLESH OF THE DEVIL, from 1967, look pretty ropy, but it seems like an interesting film.

By middle age, Guy lost the prettyboy looks, but he was still very handsome.

Vital statistics:

Even if they were just good friends did male stars like Guy and Rory spend so much time together ? of course they were in the same second tier level of stardom, and both clients of Henry and stable of boys, so would have mixed a lot, like frequent Fox co-stars Robert Wagner and Jeff Hunter. Other couples come to mind: Cary and Randolph, Tab and Tony Perkins. There was also Charles Farrell and Johnny Mack Brown back in the silent days, and Tyrone Power was great pals with Cesar Romero ...... so maybe there was more of this buddy stuff going on than we realised, in that very bisexual town.

Men were much more gender fluid back then. Gay liberation put a stop to that.

r197 Millions of men stopped wearing dresses because gay men fought for their rights?

I'm just kidding. I know what you meant.

Has anyone here actually read the book about Henry Willson? Who tells the story of Guy and Rory in the back of a Jaguar and in what context is it related?

That Henry Willson book is great fun and chock full of salacious gossip but like so many Hollywood bios, only maligns the dead, so must be taken with a grain of salt.

Here's Rory Calhoun accompanying Lana Turner to the premiere of Hitchcock's SPELLBOUND (presumably at the behest of Henry Willson, who I think discovered Turner, or gave her a leg up in the industry, as it were):

Another one (I hope she enjoyed Calhoun's cock that night):

And here's Guy Madison at the same premiere. Maybe he and Rory went home together afterwards, instead?

Dean Martin, John Wayne and Guy Madison singing together onstage in 1960:

Guy aged ok, I guess. But he became so dull and boring looking. Must have been hard for him after the attention those looks would have gotten in his youth.

[R192] - His hair became as straight as he did.....

It wouldn't have been fun being a gay client of Henry Willson. He would not allow two guys to even go to a restaurant together - there had to be a third one along, so they did not look like a couple; and he certainly wouldn't allow two guys to live together. Maybe thats why the likes of Guy and Rory had their marriages to pose with, in between their fishing trips. And of course even a big star like Rock Hudson had to go through that fake marriage for a year or so, with Willson's secretary, Phyllis - who was maybe a lesbian.

I presume the story of Guy and Rory in the car is true ....?

Another interesting Willson story is he tried to get his hands on the young Alain Delon at the 1957 Cannes Film Festival. Delon was beyond cute then and eager to get into movies. Willson wanted to sign him and get him to Hollywood, but Delon wisely resisted and left Hollywood till later., when he was a big star in France. Rock Hudson though is quoted as saying Delon had a tiny dick - how did he know? Rock was in EUrope then, filming A Farewell To Arms in Italy, so may well have been present when Henry was "interviewing" Alain ....

[quote] I presume the story of Guy and Rory in the car is true ....?

Who does the author actually get the story from in the book? Did Henry go round telling it to everyone or just a select few?

Its in the book on Henry.

[quote]It wouldn't have been fun being a gay client of Henry Willson.

Men like Madison and Calhoun weren't gay. If you want to call them Bi...fine.

Madison fathered 4 kids...the last one long after his Hollywood career was over. He had 2 marriages and then an affair with Italian actress Gia Scala.

The same with Calhoun. He had 5 kids.... and I'm sure he didn't have them to cover up anything.

From wikipedia:

"When Lita Baron sued Calhoun for divorce, she named Betty Grable as one of 79 women with whom he had adulterous relationships. Calhoun replied to her charge, "Heck, she didn't even include half of them".

"In 1966, Vitina Marcus filed a paternity suit against Calhoun. Both actors were married at the time. The suit was settled in Los Angeles Superior Court for an undisclosed sum."

Does that sound gay?

Yes, but who told the author?

[quote]"When Lita Baron sued Calhoun for divorce, she named Betty Grable as one of 79 women with whom he had adulterous relationships. Calhoun replied to her charge, "Heck, she didn't even include half of them"

[quote]Does that sound gay?

It certainly sounds like someone who's over-compensating.

[quote]It certainly sounds like someone who's over-compensating.

oh good god. (rolling eyes.....)

r214 Have you seen the Coen brothers' HAIL CAESAR? George Clooney's character in that goes on and on about the multitudes of women he's slept with. It's later revealed that he had sex with Ralph Fiennes's character early in his career. The vast majority of people watching the film will recognize Clooney's claims of how many women he's slept with as classic over-compensation. The Coens knew the type of person they were writing about and the signals it sent to the audience.

One could equally roll ones eyes at the idea that because a man has had several wives and sired children he can't possibly be gay. How many gay men, particularly pre-Stonewall, went out of their way to convince themselves they must be straight or bisexual? It's probably very common even today...

[quote]George Clooney's character in that goes on and on about the multitudes of women he's slept with.

Calhoun's wife obviously had to have evidence. And in divorce cases of that type, detectives are hired.

You don't have FIVE kids as over-compensation....plus multiple affairs when no one is looking or cares, especially when you're a C grade celebrity that no one cares about.

These guys like women. They like pussy. Get over it.

[quote]You don't have FIVE kids as over-compensation.

No, but are you seriously suggesting gay men have never had more than one child with a woman? Anthony Perkins had two children. So did Oscar Wilde, for God's sake. If a gay man can have two children with a woman, why not five?

[quote]Calhoun's wife obviously had to have evidence. And in divorce cases of that type, detectives are hired.

How does one get evidence of 79 sexual affairs? It's practically impossible. You need evidence if your claims are contested, but it's obvious that Rory never denied the affairs because he goes out of his way to let everyone know that he's slept with far more. Over-compensation. And if they were such pussyhounds how come the vast majority of photographs of them both on dates with women are with actresses that were represented by Henry Willson?

It's quite possible neither of these guys was straight or bisexual. Get over it. x

That's right-the more you get married, the more hetero you are!!!

Same with Tab Hunter and Tony Perkins - lots of pictures of them on double dates with Hollywood gals like Natalie Wood, Terry Moore, Venetia Stevenson etc. girls who knew the score and how to play the Hollywood game for all that publicity in the fan mags, trade press etc.

And were Cary Grant and Randolph Scoltt really sharing houses to save on rent money?

Along with closet case gays...bisexuality exists too. Men who might dabble in man-sex in their youth and then happily settle down to a straight life exist too.

Sex isn't black and white and can't be reduced to two labels...or even three.

Here's Guy with Suzi Crandall, I guess mid-1940s. This must have been some time after October 1945, when Walter Winchell reported that she was about to get engaged to Tom Drake. Yes, that's gay actor Tom Drake, the boy next door....

Another picture of Guy and Suzi....

Back then it was easier to be married and have kids and pretend to be hetero than it was to be openly gay. Socially that is. He and others like him must have lived a tortured existence.

Guy on a sun lounger....

R224 that's a queenly pose.

Why did Hollywood in the 40's and 50's always have the guys wear their belts or shorts way up under the rib cage like Guy in those beach shots. It is so much sexier and gives a far better line to the whole body to wear them just below the last ab.

R226, censorship. Public decency laws didn't allow the navel to be exposed.

[R225] - Definitely. The beefcakes surrounding him fanning him with palm fronds were obviously cropped out. [R226] - Men's pants in that era were cut differently. Your waist is actually at your navel. Do you wear the waist of your pants at your navel? My guess is you don't. With pants being cut differently these days you'll still see see some old men hiking their pants up to their actual waist.

[quote]He and others like him must have lived a tortured existence.

I think you're projecting.

He probably had a wonderful life, having sex with who he wanted, when he wanted...plus having a loving family of 4 kids.

(Not to mention the money and ease that celebrity gives)

He looks so cute and knowing in that shot with Suzi in r222 post.

Guy starred with Diana Lynn in 1948's TEXAS, BROOKLYN AND HEAVEN (which I've got but haven't seen yet--I think it's on youtube, if anyone's interested). Lynn was one of Henry Willson's girls and he even entered into a faux engagement with her (one of many he entered into, apparently). Here's a photo of Diana, Henry, Guy and Gail Russell:

And here's a more candid shot of Guy, Gail and Diana out to dinner. I wonder if Henry was also there and it was a double date:

In the book on Willson, Diana Lynn is apparently described as having "a tongue that could puncture asphalt".

"Homohobo sex"

A category even Kinsey couldn't have envisioned.

Not projecting r228. Life for those in the closet in that time era sucked. Even with fame and money. He provable also had to live in fear of getting caught. Then no career and no money or family.

Sorry that was meant for r229

[quote]Guy starred with Diana Lynn in 1948's TEXAS, BROOKLYN AND HEAVEN

They also starred together in a 1955 TV adaptation of A FAREWELL TO ARMS (adapted by Gore Vidal, no less). And Diana Lynn co-starred with Gail Russell in HENRY ALDRICH GETS GLAMOUR (1943, Gail's first film), OUR HEARTS WERE YOUNG AND GAY (1944), and the sequel OUR HEARTS WERE GROWING UP (1946).

Here's a nice promo picture of Gail and Lynn for that final film...

A promo shot of Guy about to kiss Shirley Temple in HONEYMOON (1947):

Another promo shot of Guy with Shirley Temple, this time by the pool and Guy showing off far more skin than Shirley (thank God):

[quote]Life for those in the closet in that time era sucked.

He wasn't in the closet. He wasn't gay.

He may have had sex with men as well as women. And on that he would have been as careful then than any A list actior working today would be.

[quote]He may have had sex with men as well as women.

As many millions of gay men have throughout history.

R241 Would you please post any evidence that twice married Guy Madison who fathered 4 kids was gay?

Thanks in advance.

r242 Are you for real or just trolling? You can't seriously be this naive.

It's fun to speculate... but that's all it is. But what evidence is there that the guy was gay?

One quote from a book written after everyone is dead?

There's absolutely nothing about his life and life style that says he was gay.

Oh that's right.... he went on fishing trips with a male friend.... I forgot.

This is a lovely promo picture sent out by David O' Selznick's Vanguard Pictures (Henry Willson worked for Selznick). Guy lying on a beach with Rhonda Fleming and Cindy Garner. The back of the card says:

[quote]Sailor Guy Madison basks in the sunshine of the beach at Santa Monica and the sunny attention of Vanguard starlets Rhonda Fleming and Cindy Garner. Guy reports that this is a real sailor's leave. Rhonda will soon be seen in an important dramatic role in Alfred Hitchcock's "Spellbound," Guy won motion picture critic's praise for his portrayal of a sailor in David O. Selznick's "Since You Went Away," and Cindy was one of the glamorous and seductive "sugars" in the same picture.

There's a picture posted upthread of Guy attending the premiere of SPELLBOUND and another of Rory accompanying Lana Turner (another Henry Willson star) to same. Apparently, Hitchcock made a comment about Lana and Rory at that premiere which was reported in the papers the next day, turning Rory into a star. SPELLBOUND was produced by David O' Selznick.

Guy making his bed....

Well tailored Guy:

I see evidence of wood in r245!!!

Guy must be straight.

It seems that sometime after his 30th year, Guy lost those luscious lips.

I wonder what those meaty thighs looked like over Rory's shoulders.

He looks so butch in this one!

The back cover of the June 1960 edition of Physique Pictorial.

R252 Was Physique Pictorial running an old picture of him? That's Madison 1940s.

While those high-waisted styles may look hideously unflattering to us now, they did appear to lengthen the leg and minimize the waist (as they're theoretically worn at the smallest part of the waist), which was particularly important in wide-legged trousers.

It's all about proportion, fellas!

There's no bigger fan of young Guy than me and yet there are so many beautiful shirtless photos of him on this thread I've never seen before. I could look at them all day.

My early childhood memory of him as Wild Bill Hickock was as a very ordinary person. Even as a young gayling he did nothing for me. It wasn't until I grew up and saw Guy as a male starlet in those post WWII movies that I realized how hot he once was.

Evidence that Guy was definitely into fish--an admittedly sketchy story in Confidential of Barbara Payton's memsahib Franchot Tone following her and Guy to a motel and crashing in on them in flagrante delicto. Barbara Payton has to be one of the more tragic stories in Hollywood history, her final few years not a million miles away from those of Gail Russell. The thing is, the story was incredibly damaging to all three. So who told Confidential the story?

That was in 1951, by the way. The year Guy made DRUMS IN THE DEEP SOUTH with Barbara Payton. And he made HONEYMOON with Franchot Tone four years earlier.

[quote][R252] Was Physique Pictorial running an old picture of him? That's Madison 1940s.

You're right, I'm pretty sure it's from 1948. I'm not sure whether most of the photos in Physique Pictorial would have been new photos or a mix of old and new. Apropos of nothing, here's another "physique" magazine from 1960 that I came across (not Guy Madison)....

Franchot Tone was not without gay rumors himself, incidentally.

A color photo behind the scenes of MASSACRE RIVER. Guy looks kind of jealous.

The film's wrap party. Guy looks amazing in his finery.

Guy's eyes are on Rory in that shot r280

No leading man back then could be seen to be gay or would not be allowed to by the studios, agents etc. Even a big star like Rock Hudson had to toe the line and do that sham marriage to quell any gossip about him, so lesser stars like Guy and Rory if they were bisexual, would obviously marry, some more than once, to keep the fan magazines happy with speads on their happy family life.

How the writers came up with stories about them. Here is how one English fan magazine explained the failure of Rock and Phyllis in 1958 - she was TOO EXTRAVAGANT ! Lets quote some of this deathless prose: "But, unfortunately, harmony did not reign in their mountain-side home for long. Soon the rumours started - Rock and Phyllis were not hitting it off so well. The marriage was cracking. Hollywood know-alls said the trouble stemmed from Phyllis's extravagance. It was true that she loved to go shopping. And after all, why not, when Rock had so much money? One night, Rock came home tired and hungry, from an exhuasting day at the studio. He pushed open the door. No Phyllis. He went through the house calling for her and at last he found her in the bedroom, trying on a black chiffon evening dress. She turned to him with stars in her eyes. "Look at it Rock" she cried. "Isn't it just the most stunning gown you ever saw?" Rock raised a hand to his brow. "Wait a minute" he said, "you bought an evening gown last week. You haven't even worn it yet, and now this today". The stars faded from Phyllis's eyes ... "But honey, don't you understand, soon I shall wear both of them. When we go out in public again". "I've told you before", Rock stormed, "I don't want us to start dragging round to nightclubs and premieres". And so such a comparatively small thing as a new evening dress started off a first-class row. It sparked off the other major difference between them. Phyllis liked the do the Town occasionally. Rock preferred to stay at home. Perhaps he liked to have the chance because his film commitments so often took him away from home. When he went to Europe to make A FAREWELL TO ARMS it was understood that Phyllis would join him. They both looked forward to this immensely for it would mean a second honeymoon. And then a couple of weeks before Phyllis was due to leave for Italy, Rock received a letter. "Rock, darling, I've just rented a beautiful house at Malibu Beach for us both. You can swim all day long ...! Rock was furious. He rushed to the phone. As soon as he heard her voice, he started to storm. "Phyllis, its me, Rock. Now what do you mean by renting a house without even consulting me?" Phyllis's voice was cajoling at the other end of the line. "But, honey, its the loveliest house you ever saw. You'll adore it..." Rock's voice was grim. "I'm not taking any house I haven't seen. Why didn't you consult me? I am the man in this family." Phyllis's voice rose. "And I'm a grown woman. Why do I have to ask your permission for everything? A house is a woman's business. All I did was -" Finally, they hung up on each other. Rows at home were bad enough, but rowing with thousands of miles between them - this was disastrous. It was also the beginning of the end ......" There are pages more in in that vein. There was also a "vivacious" script girl named Betty Abbott whom Rock was captivated by, if Betty ever existed - they certainly deserve an award for artistic licence! Other stories in this fan mag are fictional accounts of Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh at home, and Montgomery Clift's impossible love for Elizabeth Taylor, with lots of juicy dialogue scenes ! Its priceless.

Gpd, I love that, its just priceless. Thanks.

I saw a photograph of an article about the divorce of Guy and Sheila Connolly, his second wife. Most of the article was obscured, but there was a bit about one of the main reasons for them drifting apart was "Guy's love of outdoor sports," which Sheila could not participate in.

[quote]No leading man back then could be seen to be gay or would not be allowed to by the studios, agents etc.

Exactly as it is in 2016.

Why would Guy have an out of wedlock kid in 1967 in Italy at 45 years old (looking 55 at least)? For his "career"? To impress his "fans"?

Anyone who looked like Guy would have been sexually approached by men and women from early adolescence constantly. That sort of thing would fuck up anyone's sexuality.

[quote]Why would Guy have an out of wedlock kid in 1967 in Italy at 45 years old (looking 55 at least)? For his "career"? To impress his "fans"?

Maybe he was attracted to the woman. Or maybe he wasn't, but he was horny and hadn't slept with a man in a while. So he made do. The world is full of men sleeping with partners they have zero sexual interest in, just to satisfy mounting sexual frustration. Especially so in an era where it was march harder for gay men to hook up with other men.

Do the gays on this thread really have many gay friends that sleep around with women occasionally out of boredom?

I think not.

r270 Who said anything about boredom? You're not a straight woman, by any chance? You remind me of the gals in the Jeremy Renner threads who insist he's definitely straight.

Guy flexing his muscles (aged 15, I think). Isn't it said that he didn't aspire to be an actor/star until he got his first role? Looking at the very earliest shots of him, where he's like the classic beefcake build, you get the impression that he was aiming for a life in that direction long before he met Henry Willson. I've seen differing accounts about where they first met, too, incidentally. I wonder where they really first bumped into each other.

Sleeping Guy.

Showing his expert grip. I wonder if this is the boat he went fishing with Rory on....

Guy in bed with a guy.

Gore Vidal claimed to have had a long affair with Diana Lynn. It sounds like she was a professional hag, not that it did her career a lot of good.

This is a lovely photo. Deep in concentration with his archery gear....

[quote]Maybe he was attracted to the woman. Or maybe he wasn't, but he was horny and hadn't slept with a man in a while. So he made do.

Can it get any stupider?

[quote]Can it get any stupider?

I think you'll find the opposite of that scenario has occurred in exclusively male enclosed settings, like prisons and on board ships, for centuries, dear. Are you a straight woman? You never said.

Young and beautiful....

But such a rotten actor.

[quote]But such a rotten actor.

True, but so was James Dean. And Madison did improve considerably as time went on.

I love this Motion Picture magazine cover. "Hollywood's Most Exciting New Personality!" by Sidney Skolsky:

This is adorable. Guy meeting two young fans while filming WILD BILL HICKOK:

r279, are you suggesting that Guy slept with women when he found himself in exclusively female enclosed settings?

He grew up in the perfect time to be straight, male, and beautiful.

Most studios made the actors shave their chests , but Guy's luxuriant chest fur - even hotter contrasted with his smooth baby-face - is a prominent feature in most of these shirtless pics.

r285 Don't be obtuse, dear.

Guy reading the latest issue of the Mattachine Review....

I dug out my copy of Hilda Crane to have a look at Guy. Although my copy is not the best the film never really presents him as the hunk he is in this role. I would even say that he is miscast as a momma's boy because he doesn't show any neurosis or really kowtow to his mother (played outrageously by Evelyn Varden).

[quote]are you suggesting that Guy slept with women when he found himself in exclusively female enclosed settings?

Yes, That's what he's saying. The prison metaphor is a howler.

r291 It wasn't a metaphor. It was an example of how men can and do screw around with members of a sex they wouldn't otherwise sleep with when there's little to no other choice. It happens. Guy would have had plenty of opportunities with women, but at that time and in a foreign country, opportunities with men would have been extremely limited if he was overly cautious. It's a perfectly reasonable hypothesis if you've had any experience of life. Grow up, love. x

The only howler in this thread is the continual suggestion that any man who - pre-Stonewall - had sex with multiple women, got married and sired several children - absolutely cannot have been gay. It's a fantasy world.

R293 OF COURSE he could have been gay. Any man on earth "could have been gay". So?

[quote]It was an example of how men can and do screw around with members of a sex they wouldn't otherwise sleep with when there's little to no other choice. It happens. Guy would have had plenty of opportunities with women, but at that time and in a foreign country, opportunities with men would have been extremely limited if he was overly cautious.

LOL. A well-to-do man in 1960s Italy would have had millions of opportunities for gay sex.

[quote] LOL. A well-to-do man in 1960s Italy would have had millions of opportunities for gay sex.

Well, he wasn't "well-to-do", was he? Probably why he was taking second-rate work in Italy. What he was was famous and, by the sounds of things, extremely private and overly cautious. Opportunities would have been extremely limited or non-existent.

[quote]OF COURSE he could have been gay.

And yet, here you are, bristling at the mere mention of such a possibility. Ho hum.

You know nothing about post war Italy. A middle class American with dollars would have been wealthy here. (yes, I'm actually writing from Italy where I live). And if you've ever read anything by Gore Vidal, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote...Italy was the place for easy man-on-man sex.

The idea that Guy Madison, who by then was practically a nobody in the US and only nominally known in Italy, would have problems finding opportunities for gay sex and have to turn to women is HILARIOUS.

[quote]And yet, here you are, bristling at the mere mention of such a possibility. Ho hum.

Of course it's a "possibility". But you are talking about it as if it's the truth. Warren Beatty, Paul Newman, Sean Connery, Jack Lemon, Lee Marvin, Steve McQueen, Jerry Lewis... hey, they could have been gay too.

[quote]The idea that Guy Madison, who by then was practically a nobody in the US and only nominally known in Italy, would have problems finding opportunities for gay sex and have to turn to women is HILARIOUS.

He was a household name in the US and in any country around the world that WILD BILL HICKOK was shown. You'll notice the gay men you mention were all fugly writers who most people didn't give a fuck about. If Guy was someone who was extremely cautious about hooking up with men and he was away from home, then it's entirely feasible even for today, let alone 60 years ago.

[quote]Warren Beatty, Paul Newman, Sean Connery, Jack Lemon, Lee Marvin, Steve McQueen, Jerry Lewis... hey, they could have been gay too.

Of course. Would that bother you, too? :(

Anyway, as far as I can see, no one here is saying it's a fact that Guy was gay or even bisexual. We're just speculating about the very real possibility that he was, given what we know about the era in which he lived and Hollywood at that time, and what we've read about him and Rory and Henry Willson, etc.

Wasn't Gail Russell also rumored to have been at least bisexual herself?

You can read about the Jaguar scene with Rory and Guy in Robert Hofler's book "The Man Who Invented Rock Hudson: The Pretty Boys and Dirty Deals of Henry Willson" which has Look Inside on Amazon.com.

That book is such a depressing read, they were all so closeted then.

Vincente Minnelli is another, lots of gay rumours, yet he married 4 times and fathered children, including Liza ! The kind of gay then who liked cruising for trade and sucking cock, but wouldnt dream of living with another man - they had to be married and have a perfect wife to act as hostess for their fabulous dinner parties and entertaining, and to cover up their real natures.

Rock was the biggest slut of them all. He'd cruise for cock anywhere.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Ack, sorry about linking to the independent, won't happen again.

I was wondering if anyone remembered "City of Night" by John Rechy, especially the passage that mentioned a huge male movie star walking into a gay bar in Hollywood. It was understood by all that the star was gay but it wasn't discussed by anyone in the movie business. He was being protected at all costs.

There was speculation that it was about Rock, but now that we know how many stars were still in the closet, it could have been any one of them. maybe even a combination of some of them.

Talking of John Rechy--sad to say, but he says in his review of Hofler's book that the story of Guy and Rory in the back of a Jaguar is clearly fantasy. Still could be true, but it does seem unlikely. Anyway, it's a good review:

[quote]Still could be true

When everyone is dead...well, yeah anything "could be true".

But there is absolutely no evidence that Guy Madison was gay. None. Zero.

But hell yes, he could have been gay.

Dwight Eisenhower and Winston Churchill could have been gay too.

Co-star Rhonda Fleming is still alive. 1950s heart throbs Tab Hunter and Ty Hardin are still alive too. Someone should ask them about Guy quick before they're gone... because for now, we've got nothing.

[quote]But there is absolutely no evidence that Guy Madison was gay. None. Zero.

There's no evidence in most cases of pre-Stonewall celebrities that we know were gay. It comes with the territory. You learn to read between the lines and make an educated guess. It's called experience.

If you've got such a problem with people discussing the very real possibility that these guys were gay, you might want to avoid a gay gossip site, love. Just a thought x

I adore a gay gossip. And that's exactly what it is: gay gossip.

[quote]I adore a gay gossip

Funny then that you come across like every gal who invariably turns up in threads about Tom Cruise, say, shrieking that "THERE IS NO PROOF THAT TOM IS GAY!!!"

There's a big difference with Cruise: lot's of anecdotes from people who are alive, who can be held accountable for what they have to say. You can believe them or not, but there's lots out there.

Not so with Madison. No quotes directly from anybody. No one. Not one. Nothing.

r309 There's actually very little difference. Both have a history with women that is clearly largely for publicity. Most of the photos of Guy on dates with women are with other Henry Willson starlets or women he was promoting a film with. No one can seriously look at Tom Cruise's history with women and believe it's for real. Unless you're a frau who's obsessed with him. There isn't that much anecdotal evidence about Tom being gay--the suspicion comes mainly from his unconvincing history with women, which gives the odd rumor here and there substance. There's a story in the Robert Hofler book about Rory and Guy fucking. An insider third party is quoted in the book as saying they believe every word of it. As with Tom Cruise, you can choose to believe the story or not. Both of Guy's marriages were fairly brief. His first was to a woman who was allegedly bisexual, possibly lesbian. His second broke up because he was "too into outdoor sports" and his wife couldn't "join in". And so on and so on....

And both Guy and Tom seem to attract hysterical fraus whenever their possible/probable homosexuality is mentioned on here. If Rock Hudson didn't die of AIDS, I get the impression these women would be posting on here shrieking "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT ROCK WAS GAY!!!"

Madison's marriages lasted 5 and 9 years. And his son was born out of wedlock to an unknown woman at a time when his career was just about finished. Doesn't sound like someone doing it for the publicity.

Quite a difference between that and A-list attention seeking Tom Cruise, with millions invested in his films.

And his affair with Gia Scala (a D- list Italian actress) was in the early 1970s. Her career was finished by then too. (last film 1969). Again: it sure doesn't sound like he was doing for his career.

r312 Is there any evidence that he had an affair with Gia Scalia??? Maybe they were just friends. Where is the evidence that they were doing the beast with two backs together, please?! Is there any evidence that Guy was living with either of his wives for the entire duration of those marriages? Is there any evidence that he had sex with his second wife any time other than to get pregnant three times? Sure, it's "possible" that a man who married and had kids is entirely heterosexual. I mean, it's "possible" that Richard Simmons is heterosexual. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT RICHARD SIMMONS IS GAY!!!!

Hugh Hefner was gay. The whole Playboy thing was a cover up.

Andy Devine, Guy Madison and George Reeves....

[quote]Hugh Hefner was gay. The whole Playboy thing was a cover up.

Where's the hard evidence that Hugh is fucking all those girls!? I need photographs of penetration and I need to see Hugh enjoying the fish! I NEED EVIDENCE.!!!!

I believe that the "evidence" that Guy was gay is in the dozens and dozens of posed beefcake shots of him.

While these were very unique to Hollywood in the 1940s, is it just our 2016 eyes that somehow convert them to proving he was gay?

All unmarried male stars were set up on dates with unmarried starlets, usually employed by the same studio. You can find many photos of straight and unmarried Jimmy Stewart at premieres and at other Hollywood functions with young actresses. Make of that what you will.

Incidentally, the source cited on Guy's wiki page for the claim that he had an affair with Gia Scala is the 2014 biography of Scala by Sterling Saint James. The blurb on the book begins:

[quote]An intimate view of the movie star Gia Scala and some of her relationships with actors such as Rock Hudson....

After a brief search, it seems the claim on Guy Madison's wiki page of an affair between him and Gia Scala is completely bogus. The cited source, mentioned above, can be read on amazon and the beneficiary of "her portion of the Screen Actors Pension Fund" after her death wasn't Guy Madison, it was Guy WILLIAMS. Guy Madison isn't even mentioned in the book.

Gia Scala was very attractive - she did co-star with Kerwin Matthews, who was gay. She committed suicide though when her career petered out and she was suffering with depression, sad tale.

It looks like this bit on Guy's wiki page is also false:

[quote]His friend, the actor turned stock broker, Don Burnett, spoke at his funeral.

Burnett was close friends with Guy Williams and he was once married to Gia Scala. There isn't even a source cited for the claim that Burnett spoke at Guy Madison's funeral.

r252 That whole issue of Physique Pictorial can be seen on this youtube slideshow. It's kind of funny to see all those hot, almost naked men through the magazine and the final shot is Guy Madison "mopping up":

Guy Williams, you say? So handsome he had to be on the downlow too! Plus, he was Argentinian and you know how they are with their huge pingas . (Wink wink nudge nudge..)

Victor Mature and Guy Madison have a gay moment in THE LAST FRONTIER (1955). I haven't seen this one yet, but one of the commenters underneath the video says there are a few such moments in the film....

I think THE LAST FRONTIER was probably the last film Guy made while he was still in his physical prime. He looks gorgeous in this promo shot:

[quote]Madison's marriages lasted 5 and 9 years.

The duration of his second marriage may have been 9 years, but looking at this page on events in Sheila Connolly's life it looks like their marriage was essentially over by September 1958 (just over four years after they got married)...

[quote]3 April 64--gets her divorce from Madison in Los Angeles by testifying that he would sometimes leave when they had company. “He would go outside and shoot his bow and arrows. That seemed to be his only love.”

I finally just watched his screen debut in Since You Went Away, posted upthread, and was quite surprised by his deliciously "bad boy" persona in it. Not that I've seen Guy in many films but I always thought he played more of the boy next door type.

I thought he was sensational in that cameo, sexy and charismatic. It's a shame he didn't get to play more interesting roles as a young man.

"For the girls"--from 1953. He wears a lot of over-sized jackets around this time, which hides his body, sadly....

Guy is mentioned a couple of times in Val Holley's "Mike Connolly and the Manly Art of Hollywood Gossip", which has tonnes of gay gossip. You can read the three pages with Guy via google books below (I had to shorten the url):

Such an amazingly handsome man. This thread is well over 300 and counting....A testament to an American classic. GUY was one extremely hot guy. RIP

What is with the poster who seems hell bound and determined to declare Guy to be straight? I mean, this is a gay board and if you guys want to drool and fantasize about a handsome man why spoil it?

R329 There's no gossip in that book about Madison being gay. That he was pursued by gay men would of course be a natural. That he could have engaged in gay sex to advance a career, that's also certainly possible. Why not?

But was he gay? No evidence of that.

It's interesting that on Rory's wiki page and in some obituaries it's said that his wife, Lita Baron, sued him for divorce due to alleged extra-marital affairs with 70 "Jane Does" (note that no names were given; ie. no evidence)--yet in fact it was Rory who sued her for divorce on two separate occasions claiming she committed adultery with James Allan Trudeau.

We can't link to the Independent here, but this passage from their obituary of Rory is also interesting:

[quote]In 1947 Calhoun started a stormy relationship with the French actress Corinne Calvet. "Our romance was spontaneous and electric," wrote Calvet later, but she claimed that Calhoun's volatile temper cooled their ardour - on one occasion when she had a date with the mogul Harry Cohn, she returned to find that Calhoun had wrecked her apartment. Later, after proposing marriage, he abandoned her to spend the evening with his mentor Henry Willson and, when she demanded an explanation, took a shot at her with a pistol.

[quote]Yvonne De Carlo was another actress confused by Calhoun's relationship with Willson. Writing of a date with the actor planned by her studio, she said, "There was Rory, his agent Henry Willson, Marguerite Chapman and me. Ostensibly I was paired with Rory but it didn't turn out that way. After photographers stopped snapping pictures, Rory and Henry stood huddled deep in conversation. Marguerite and I weren't even tossed a dangling participle to chew on. After a while I said to Marguerite, 'Can you tell me what the hell is going on?' 'Don't look now, Yvonne,' she kidded, 'but I think I'm your date tonight.' "

Apropos of nothing, Lita Baron appeared in a stage show at Ciro's in 1952 with Billy Daniels, the boyfriend of the great Mitchell Leisen.

I'm utterly shocked that Yvonne De Carlo was familiar with the phrase "dangling participle."

"Did I ever tell you about my friend Rory?"

Could this be the infamous car back seat?

Did Guy bleach his hair? He looks very blonde in some shots and not so much in others.

r337 I think it may have just been excessive sun. Though there is a huge difference between some photos....

He almost looks like a brunette in this one....

Why do gay men want everyone else to be gay? I am gay and think Guy Madison incredibly sexy. However, to me it wasn't just his looks, it was his voice too--deep and sexy! --BUT there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he was gay other than the comment in Wilson's book. And that book has often cited for being full of gossip and rumor. To me, it is not enough to justify his being gay. (But he still makes me drool!)

[quote]Why do gay men want everyone else to be gay?

This is such an old canard that crops up every time gay men discuss any man who was quite possibly in the closet.

[quote]And that book has often cited for being full of gossip and rumor.

What do you expect a book about pre-Stonewall gay men in Hollywood to contain? Photographs of penetration?

R341 Books are written to make money.

As there been even one word from any of Madison's co-stars or any other people that mention anything about Madison being gay?

Not one.

[quote]Books are written to make money.

And Hollywood personas are created to make money.

[quote]any other people that mention anything about Madison being gay?

Yes, there's two people in the book on Henry Willson. And Henry himself presumably makes three, seeing as he's the one who told the story. But of course you don't believe them. We know that his first marriage was to a possible lesbian and it was very brief. We know that his second marriage lasted only four years and his wife said the only thing he seemed to love was going hunting... with Rory, presumably. We've established that the stuff on his wiki page about an affair with Gia Scala is completely bogus. There was a quote upthread from Yvonne Di Carlo stating that she went on a double date with Henry Willson and Rory and they were more interested in each other than the women.

Of course it's "possible" that these guys were heterosexual. But there's no proof that they were. Gay men all over the world and throughout history have gotten married and had children, so of course that isn't proof of heterosexuality. But if you choose to believe that, who's stopping you? x

[quote]And Henry himself presumably makes three, seeing as he's the one who told the story.

There is ONLY Henry Wilson and his story is recounted to the author. Furthermore noted gay author (who was around and actually knew people) John Rechy explains that Wilson completely fabricated the story.

There's nothing on Madidon. Nothing. Zero.

[quote]Furthermore noted gay author (who was around and actually knew people) John Rechy explains that Wilson completely fabricated the story.

No he doesn't. He says he finds it hard to believe, that's all. Why are you putting words in his mouth? He also says that someone else in the book who knew the people involved "believed every word of it". The fact that you or John Rechy don't believe the story doesn't mean it didn't happen. You asked for people who have said that Madison was gay and there they are. If you don't believe them, fine; but whether you do or not is irrelevant.

Guy is unshaven in the first half of The Last Frontier. He does have some boyishly flirty scenes with Victor Mature, who is the same type of man as Rory, and he refuses to shoot him when ordered to by fort commander Robert Preston. Preston himself plays his role with a soft mellifluous voice so perhaps there is another reason for his lack of sexual interest in his wife, played by Anne Bancroft with a blonde dye job.

Nope. NO real evidence he was gay. Why does everyone who is goodlooking and sexy have to be gay? Answer--they don't, and statistically they probably aren't.

[quote]Why does everyone who is goodlooking and sexy have to be gay?

Not everyone. Just the ones who had somewhat unconvincing histories with women, very close relationships with men and were rumored by one or more people who knew them to be gay.

What you keep overlooking is that Hollywood stars are a fabrication. Everything that is officially presented about them is a fiction, either entirely false or truth carefully framed to build a particular persona. We know for a fact that gay men the world over and throughout history have gotten married to members of the opposite sex and had children, so that in itself is not evidence of heterosexuality. In this instance, you choose to believe that it is, but please don't mistake your position as being any less of a fantasy or more evidence-based than the idea that Guy may have been gay. Up to a couple of days ago you believed he had an affair with Gia Scala, purely because you had read it on wikipedia. You never sought evidence for the claim, because you wanted to believe it. Unfortunately for you, it's completely bogus. You don't believe the story in the Henry Willson book because you don't want to believe it, but whether you do or not is irrelevant.

Why do we not think Clark Gable was gay?

He had several very short marriages, including one to a wealthy woman years older than him and one to a beautiful actress rumored to be bisexual. He loved going on hunting and fishing trips with the boys. And he only fathered one child in his 50s, if we don't include Loretta Young's daughter, who was never officially confirmed as such.

Clark Gable was gay!!!!

I don't know if Guy Madison was gay but, clearly, the rumors abound because he was so fucking gprgeous, actually PRETTY in his youth.

And in the 1940s, he was often photographed like a female sex object. I can't believe the number of such photos that have appeared on this thread alone. Was any other actor publicized like that in the 1940s-1950s, including Rock and Tab?

And add to that, he was a Henry Willson client = GAY.

[quote]Why do we not think Clark Gable was gay?

Did anyone ever claim to see him getting fucked in the back of a car?

Guy was a tall guy, surely it would be difficult to have sex in the back of a car, pretty uncomfortable I imagine;

It must have been uncomfortable but I guess they only had one thing on their minds. And judging by the size of Rory's dong I'm guessing the discomfort of their surroundings was the last thing on Guy's mind!

R352, Cars of the 1940s were built like tanks. Plenty of room in the back for some action.

I dare say those fishing trips back then were essential for gay or bi- actors to get a weekend away from the studio and wives and agents, no internet or cellphones either, so privacy guaranteed ....

r355 Indeed! My favorite version of the hot gay fishing trip is Tyrone Power and Cesar Romero's tour of South America by plane.

A lot of the beefcake shots of Guy put him in the passive "female" role. A sort of gay-male gaze, if you will.

Sleeping beauty

Yes, theres lots of pictures of him in bed, even when being interviewed by Sidney Skolsky, who got in with him.

Hysterical that Guy is supposed to be sleeping in that pic at r357, but you can see that he is sucking in his stomach.

The car that is always mentioned as being used for the Rory/Guy tryst is a Jaguar. I would assume that most people would think of those little sports jobs and would think that no sex would happen between two big guys in that car. Jaguar also made huge sedans and their back seats would accommodate two or three strapping guys in flagrante delicto.

From the looks of Rory's crotch in that pic at r353, he needed the back seat all to himself.

So these two who were supposed to be hiding their relationship, make out in the back of a Jaguar for others to see?

Couldn't they go parking in a woods somewhere? In a DeSoto maybe?

I don't think anyone saw anything. Willson had been out on the prowl, allegedly looking for Madison and Calhoun when he spotted a familiar car parked on a side street in the pouring rain. The car was rocking back and forth and Madison and Calhoun were known to be inside at the time.

(Or something like that.)

Well, that sounds reliable.

Yep, Madison must have been gay.

[quote]Couldn't they go parking in a woods somewhere? In a DeSoto maybe?

Have you never been so overcome with passion and the sexual urge that you have sex wherever you are, regardless of the risk? :(

Just think, if this were true they could BOTH post on the, "Ever have sex with a minor celeb?" thread.

They would have had beautiful ass babies together.

While going through pictures of Guy online I always assumed these two pictures were the same, but the black and white one was just cropped. Looking at them now I see that they're two separate pictures. He has cuff links on in one but not the other. I can't imagine they were taking on separate occasions. Probably one shortly after the other. I'm guessing they were taken as part of a set that culminated in the photo of Guy and Rory with Cathy Downs and Rhonda Fleming.

I would love to know when and where they were printed and if there were more in the set. Maybe a whole series of photos of the four of them out on a "date":

*taken on separate occasions.

Here's the photo of them with Cathy and Rhonda again, for comparison. Guy has the same cuff links on:

I wonder if this was also part of the same set. Rory checking his tie in the mirror, similar to Guy's pose above:

My god, those eyelashes on Rory! Elizabeth Taylor would be envious.

Guy Madison's brother Wayne Mallory was an actor too.

He's in this episode of Sea Hunt in a pretty long scene starting at 12:45. He's good looking too, a bit beefier than his brother. The same nose.

Wait R282, James Dean was a rotten actor? You're just going to throw out that bizarre statement and leave it at that? Dean had verisimilitude, presence, comic timing and colour in his performances. Qualities lumps of meat like Guy Madison and Tab Hunter utterly lacked.

I notice there's no pictures of men of color in this thread.

I have to agree with R282. James Dean was comically bad.

I'd rather sit through a Guy Madison b-film than any of James Dean's movies. He was a big ham and is only immortalized for dying young.

East of Eden is just about bearable but Giant and Rebel have dated terribly.

Guy (and Rory) were not the only good looking guys then - Jeffrey Hunter was just as stunning, but less fortunate in dying young at 42 in 69. No gay or bi rumours about him though, despite the several films he made with Fox co-star and fellow contract player Robert Wagner, who probably swung both ways, despite his romance with Barbra Stanwyck, who must have been old enough to have played his mother. Wagner too knew and mixed with lots of gays, as did Natalie - Spencer Tracy, Clifton Webb and other oldsters were quite taken with him and put him in their pictures. His books are entertaining reads as he knew everyone (pals with Bette Davis too) but he hardly mentions Hunter, they did at least 5 films together so must have hung out on sets a lot, like that shot of them in the swimming pool.

[quote]Guy (and Rory) were not the only good looking guys then - Jeffrey Hunter was just as stunning, but less fortunate in dying young at 42 in 69. [bold]No gay or bi rumours about him though[/bold],

Believe whatever you want, dear.

Hmmmmmmm. King of Kings - any gossip from that ????

Well Frank Thring notoriously said (I'm paraphrasing here) "Jeffrey Hunter was a f**ked Jesus, but oh Jesus, what a f**k!" Sal Mineo also claimed he and Hunter were lovers.

Miss Thring was surely fantasising about Jeff in the sack, I don't imagine he would have got to first base with him, even if Hunter was gay ..... not with all the hot young guys around .....

The gay Hunter of course was Tab - but we are getting away from Guy, but maybe at 379 posts on a practically forgotten actor, Guy's comments are practically played out ......

Except for the pointy tip of his nose, he was gorgeous!

Clifton Webb had Jeff in his DREAMBOAT film in 52, and Wagner in his TITANIC in 53, where RJ must have met co-star Stanwyck ...... John Ford must have liked Hunter to have cast him in 3 of his films: THE SEARCHERS, THE LAST HURRAH, SARGENT RUTLEDGE.

I don't think Guy attracted many major directors, as he was mostly in programmers and westerns.

Guy's biggest hit and only Hollywood classic was Since You Went Away, his screen debut. It was pretty much all downhill from there.

"He made all the other cowboys look like fugitives from Abercrombie and Fitch" - Tallulah Bankhead on Guy Madison

[quote]Miss Thring was surely fantasising about Jeff in the sack, I don't imagine he would have got to first base with him, even if Hunter was gay ..... not with all the hot young guys around .....

You'd be surprised how young attractive bottoms will put out for old, ugly or queeny tops, if they're hung and know how to fuck.

[quote]Guy's biggest hit and only Hollywood classic was Since You Went Away, his screen debut. It was pretty much all downhill from there.

He never even appeared on "What's My Line?"

If Gale Storm could do "What's My Line?", Guy could too.

Even his TV co-star Andy Devine did a "What's My Line" while appearing in Wild Bill Hickock.

The best director Guy worked with was probably Anthony Mann on THE LAST FRONTIER in 1955. Two classic westerns that Mann made with Jimmy Stewart--THE MAN FROM LARAMIE and THE FAR COUNTRY--were released the same year. Another notable director he worked with was William Cameron Menzies on 1951's DRUMS IN THE DEEP SOUTH. Not a great director, but obviously one of the all-time great production designers. TILL THE END OF TIME (1946) was directed by Edward Dmytryk. He worked with William Castle on1948's TEXAS, BROOKLYN AND HEAVEN. He made JET OVER THE ATLANTIC in 1959 which was directed by Byron Haskin. He was a great cinematographer in the silent days and probably the best interview subject in Kevin Brownlow's superb documentary series HOLLYWOOD about the silent era (Haskin directed the original WAR OF THE WORLDS).

His film choices weren't great, but he did work with a few good directors.

I don't remember this guy.

He also had a cameo appearance in Michael Winner's WON TON TON, THE DOG WHO SAVED HOLLYWOOD, which means that Guy and Rory were in a film with Madeline Kahn.

It's odd that there's really no dirt on the guy.

No comments from co stars: sweetheart? difficult? drinking problem? bad breath?

And someone as luscious as he was when he was younger... no comments from Hollywood gays like Tennessee Williams, Gore Vidal? Madison's film debut had him looking just as much like a sex object as did Brando's....

r391 Apart from Henry Willson's story about seeing him getting fucked by Rory in the back of a car there doesn't seem to have been any gossip about him one way or another, straight or gay. The official story seems to be that this incredibly sexy young man settled down with his first girlfriend who may well have been a lesbian and then later married a woman who divorced him after a few years due to the fact he showed no interest in their marriage and preferred to go hunting with his friend Rory. Very odd, as you say.

There's no story about Henry Willson seeing him getting fucked by Rory in the back of a car.

Guy was 50 years ahead of his time in this Italian-Spanish superhero film, SUPERARGO AND THE FACELESS GIANTS. In which he plays the character of Prof. Wendland Wond!

He looks like he kept the cleanest hole in Hollywood history.

A picture of Guy getting into the back of a big car. He's apparently on his way to the premiere of THE COMMAND, a film he made in 1953. The first western to be shot in widescreen.

r386 The reverse of this photo may be of interest:

[quote]Guy Madison, star of Warner Bros.' first CinemaScope production, "THE COMMAND", as he arrived in New York in connection with picture's world premiere engagement and for special television appearances. Madison was star guest of "What's My Line?", Sunday January 24th

Is R393 being deliberately contrarian or what?

"'Rory was fucking Guy. And they always told me they didn't like to do it with men,' [Willson said.] He confronted Guy, who insisted that his dalliance was a momentary lapse, the first and only time. 'But I knew it couldn't be true,' said Henry. 'Rory was so big, and Guy was taking him with no problem.' Rory later confessed that yes, their affair had been going on for months."

WML aficianados are all aware that there are many missing episodes of the show from the early 1950s.

Though I believe some official document was just discovered listing all of the guests on all of the programs. I belong to a WML Facebook page that's simply wonderful!

I just watched TAB HUNTER CONFIDENTIAL and when he spoke of Henry Willson, they showed a couple of photos of Guy, including this one of him signing a contract in his naval uniform, alongside Henry...

Footage of Henry Willson....

Henry had a good gig going. You know he sucked every one of those cocks.

I'm always proud of the fact that I was born on the same day as Guy...

Though there the resemblance mostly ends...

Ah well.

Here's a curious article from Vim Magazine, May 1954. They claim that after Guy was discovered in 1945 and he made SINCE YOU WENT AWAY, he went back to civilian life and was largely forgotten until he went into TV in "Wild Bill Hickock" and was only "discovered" again after he made CHARGE AT FEATHER RIVER....

That article is curious and ill-informed, although I believe it's true that Guy's cameo in Since You Went Away was a one-off and after shooting it he did return to the Navy without any particular anticipation of continuing an acting career. But once the fan letters started pouring in, he was offered a contract.....can't remember by which studio?

I heard a rumor years ago, though I can't recall the source, that Madison hitched a ride back to his ship and hooked up with an "executive type," whose watch he ended up stealing. Upon discovering the engraved name of a notable, he got hold of the man, somehow, and apologized. The executive was magnanimous, and offered further contact, which is supposedly how Madison got into "Since You Went Away."

Even Gable in his early years was known to hustle here and there, supposedly the real reason for his firing of former contact George Cukor from "Gone With the Wind." And Aldo Ray, also reportedly straight, admitted he'd let Cukor "service" him early in his film career.

So there is certainly precedent.

BTW: When an actor, Don Burnett and Guy Williams co-starred in the Italian sword-and-sandal epic, "Damon and Pythias" (1962), playing the aprocryphal devoted friends.

I always thought Guy's voice sounded unnaturally deep, like he was straining to lower it somehow. It's interesting reading the Henry Willson biography that he made Rock Hudson change his voice, as it was naturally very high-pitched. Someone they hired advised Rock to wait till he had a cold/sore throat and then scream for hours. I wonder if Henry did the same with all of his starlets?

I remember his wife Dolly

I never heard of him but 400 replies is pretty good for a nameless person

All this speculation about whether he was gay or bi or straight is really stupid. He was a hot guy. Some of you want him to be gay and others want him to be straight. But some of you make it seem like it's a bad thing to be gay. and that's not fair to his memory.

Would Guy Madison be considered a "twink" in gay culture 2018 or is he maybe a smidgen 1.slightly to old (say from his late teens to around 1960), 2.way to pretty, 3.slightly to much on the butch side of "twink". Years ago, I read a review of the story of Guy & Rory devastating Henry (who had a huge crush on Guy) with their affair, specifically the famous 'walking up to the car they were having sex in while the rain was pouring down on him standing outside the rocking car watching through the rear window', either Henry or the writer of the review I was reading, speculated that most especially Rory was SO smitten and into Guy and loved to ravish him so intensely, that 'he' (Henry or the review writer) believed them to be in love, deep love for each other but most heavily Rory toward Guy - make sense? Sorry if not. Thanks for replies! :)

As an actor Guy was pretty much just a hairy chest below a good chin and hairline. His horse was a more talented performer.

Loved him in Wild Bill Hickok with the great Andy Devine. He may not have been as talented as some people would have liked but I loved watching him on screen. When someone is as beautiful as he was, talent is secondary. Like Keanu Reeves today.

Can anyone recommend any of his films besides "Since You Went Away" which I already own?