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DL Armchair Freudians: Explain The Trans Haters To Me

I get that some gay men feel threatened by the trans movement and believe that it's part of a plot of erase gays by making us all transition.

But why do they come to DL and post about it hourly?

And never anything different either

"Women don't have penises"

"They are mentally ill"

"You can see the breast removal scars!"

"She's a short muscular woman!"

"Why do trans want to look like Barbie dolls"

Like literally the same five posts on the hour every hour.

Is it just mental illness or something more?

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by Anonymousreply 102December 18, 2019 10:15 PM

Division Thread

I don't really have strong feelings about the trans one way or another, but this is a gay board, not a trans board, so I get tired of hearing about them all the time. Of course, I am a gay white male, so I am personally responsible for the deaths of 6 TPOCs every minute.

by Anonymousreply 1December 17, 2019 1:23 AM

OP, are you familiar with the term “loading the question”?

by Anonymousreply 2December 17, 2019 1:25 AM

Trannies are generally very nasty people. They expect the world to revolve around them. Every law must be written with them in mind first and foremost. And don’t you dare “misgender” the 6’2” man in a dress.

by Anonymousreply 3December 17, 2019 1:27 AM

Yes R3

I have heard these arguments.

Pretty much every hour on the hour for the past three years.

Why the need to constantly repeat them?

by Anonymousreply 4December 17, 2019 1:31 AM

Because people who post here spend too much time on Twitter and begin to think that what they read there mirrors real life.

by Anonymousreply 5December 17, 2019 1:34 AM

In a nutshell, trans people are confusing & gross.

by Anonymousreply 6December 17, 2019 1:37 AM

And annoying ^

So very annoying.

by Anonymousreply 7December 17, 2019 1:49 AM

But posting about them hourly is also annoying R7

Probably more so, because without your posts, I never think of trans people.

by Anonymousreply 8December 17, 2019 1:50 AM

Because there’s a perception that the M tF trans idea of being a woman is nothing more than a caricature, which I would think that women would find offensive.

by Anonymousreply 9December 17, 2019 2:00 AM

OP They have nothing to do with us, and are destroyers. And ugly. And Insane. And fucking stupid. And more insane

by Anonymousreply 10December 17, 2019 2:04 AM

Obviously they see something in themselves and feel threatened

by Anonymousreply 11December 17, 2019 2:08 AM

[quote]But posting about them hourly

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by Anonymousreply 12December 17, 2019 2:12 AM

Reaction formation.

by Anonymousreply 13December 17, 2019 2:13 AM

They are EXHAUSTED! OMG! Exhausted by pronouns!

by Anonymousreply 14December 17, 2019 2:13 AM

This is how the silencing begins, DL. Acting as though they're a special victim class.

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by Anonymousreply 15December 17, 2019 2:28 AM

DL armchair Freudian here (although I would prefer DL armchair Jungian):

Human beings in general are creatures of habit, and typically don't like too much change, too quickly. For most of our history, humans died within 5 miles from where they were born. Modern transportation revolutionized the way people experience the world, but that's only about 250 years old. Radical transformations must be introduced slowly, very slowly, and movements that like trans are too fast for people to assimilate into the collective unconscious. Couple that with perceived homophobia, children being shot with sex hormones before they can give to consent to have sex, children being flashed at libraries during story time, transmen unapologetically taking over women's spaces, and paraphilic crossdressing rapists who use the trans movement to get into women's bathrooms, and you've got yourself a pissed off populace.

by Anonymousreply 16December 17, 2019 2:30 AM

They haven't hurt me, and they aren't trying to take anything away from me. The only negative on the subject that concerns me is the idea of children having medical treatments towards modifying their gender. I don't care about appearance or which bathroom gets used, and I tend to avoid gender terms if I have doubts about a person's gender.

by Anonymousreply 17December 17, 2019 2:35 AM

is that really freudian analysis?

by Anonymousreply 18December 17, 2019 2:39 AM

Because you can't say anything -and no I'm not generalizing when I say "anything" about them - unless it's fawning, supportive and you're blowing smoke up their asses.

You can't question anything because it's "transphobic". Questioning whether it's a good idea to subject children to surgeries is suddenly "transphobic".

And God help you if they're non-binary.

by Anonymousreply 19December 17, 2019 2:40 AM

Who is getting flashed at story time?

by Anonymousreply 20December 17, 2019 2:44 AM

r16, I have to break it to you: flashers have been roaming public libraries as long as there have been public libraries. Certainly long before Christine Jorgensen took that fateful trip to Casablanca.

by Anonymousreply 21December 17, 2019 2:45 AM

Because penis envy can now lead to penis acquisition and fear of castration is not irrational anymore.

by Anonymousreply 22December 17, 2019 2:49 AM

R21 when it gets repeated ad infinitum by the tabloids, flashing at a public library takes on much more meaning than your average mentally ill hobo. I've also never heard of mentally ill hobos reading to children, and then flashing them.

I've got a question for OP: why has the trans movement accelerated so rapidly since 2014? Anyone know?

by Anonymousreply 23December 17, 2019 2:52 AM

OP, everyone who tries to be something they obviously are not gets mocked.

by Anonymousreply 24December 17, 2019 2:55 AM

R23 I can’t find one credible source a trans person reading to children and flashing them. Links please! You are full of shit

by Anonymousreply 25December 17, 2019 2:56 AM

And this:

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by Anonymousreply 26December 17, 2019 2:56 AM

R25 Took me two seconds to find, you useless cunt

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by Anonymousreply 27December 17, 2019 2:58 AM

Drag Queens aren’t trans, doll. Next!

by Anonymousreply 28December 17, 2019 2:59 AM

REALLY, R25?! I typed 3 words, "trans flashed children", and several stories of the same event popped up. Maybe you should reconfig your parental controls on your browser!

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by Anonymousreply 29December 17, 2019 3:00 AM

OP, you are very stunning and brave for creating this thread.

by Anonymousreply 30December 17, 2019 3:01 AM

R28 Oh they most certainly are included under the trans umbrella. Fuck, just a day of fail for you. Or life of fail, more like

by Anonymousreply 31December 17, 2019 3:05 AM

Drag Queens aren’t trans, doll. Next! R29 isn’t the brightest bulb

by Anonymousreply 32December 17, 2019 3:05 AM

R28 this person begs to differ.

"I am a drag queen and trans despite what RuPaul says"

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by Anonymousreply 33December 17, 2019 3:07 AM

How can we love you- if you can't love yourself?!

by Anonymousreply 34December 17, 2019 3:07 AM

Still few answers

Repetition of WHY you dislike them

But no answer as to why you must inform us of HOW MUCH YOU DISLIKE THEM on an hourly basis

by Anonymousreply 35December 17, 2019 10:27 AM

Well, here's an answer. Why do people post hourly on any topic? Because it's of interest to them. I think the incessant porn chatter on here is a waste of time and life but I don't post threads once or hourly to investigate the basis of it.

Moreover, I don't interpret criticism or observations as hate. They should die - that's hate. They have scars. They aren't really women. Those are opinions. So personally I largely reject your premise, but it reflects your interest, doesn't it, OP?

by Anonymousreply 36December 17, 2019 10:42 AM

OP,

We have posters here who will go into HOURS long blind rages and cause property damage over something in front of them at the grocery store writing a CHECK.

If they're unable to deal with a choice as small as that, it's not a surprise to me when they become one note pianos about other things they either dislike or simply cannot fathom.

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by Anonymousreply 37December 17, 2019 10:49 AM

I don't think a Freudian analysis is necessary. It's much more basic than that - gays/lesbians and trans have nothing in common.

If I go to a gay or lesbian bar, I can expect to have something in common with the other people. Trans will just want to talk about their love of dressing up and having their genitals mutilated.

by Anonymousreply 38December 17, 2019 11:01 AM

I don't initiate trans threads anymore, and I don't write on every trans thread, but I have legitimate concerns about current strands of trans ideology and activism, both from a professional and a personal perspective. Luckily, I'm in one of the European countries that hasn't bought fully into the madness yet, but this may be only a question of time.

With a few exceptions, most people here don't seem mind trans people doing their thing, as long as they let others live their lives in peace. The current trends in trans activism should concern us as gay men, however, not only because of the issues that I mention below, but also because their behavior and demands reflect extremely negatively on the LGB community as well. The backlash will come, and it will go against all of us.

Personally, I am relatively sympathetic to trans people's personal plight, as a lot of them seem miserable, whether pre- or post-transition. And I think that there is a silent majority of trans people (especially old-school transsexuals) with common sense that are simply drowned out by shrill activists. However, this is about politics, not about emotions. Trans people have to get their house in order, must present coherent demands, and be willing to discuss these rationally both in the in-group (i.e., larger LGBT community) or the out-group (i.e., the majority of people), if they want the public to accept their political point of view. Especially, if their demands infringe upon or take away from the rights and privileges of other oppressed groups! (LGB never took anything away from straight people by decriminalization, lowering the age of consent, having work-place protections, or marrying!) What they are currently doing, however, is hijacking the activist infrastructure that was established by LGB activists, bully these established LGB activists out of their own organizations, and then bully everyone else to give way to their contradicting, irrational demands.

Here are some highlights why trans activism has become absolutely bonkers lately:

* Absolute denial of biological reality for the sake of ideology, including ignoring the fact that trans women have a physical advantage in competitive sports and are diminishing the achievements of female athletes for the sake of self-validation.

* Transing children by lobbying for a widespread use of puberty blockers, thus robbing them of their chance to develop their own identity during puberty (including possibly turning out just gay or lesbian).

* Having no coherent concept of what this "gender" is that they are feeling (is it somehow biologically anchored? No, that would be transmedicalist and thus "transphobic"... Is body dysmorphia necessary? No, that would invalidate non-binary people and be "transphobic"), while expecting that self-ID becomes enshrined in law, despite its wide-reaching consequences on sex-based policy.

* Pronoun madness and the policing of language by people who make not even an effort to pass at all.

* Denouncing every diverging opinion as "transphobic" (this term has lost all meaning by now).

* Invading female spaces (e.g., women's shelters) for the sake of self-validation.

* Rewriting LGB history by claiming that trans women of color were responsible for all progress when this is blatantly factually untrue.

* The constant oppression poker of intersectionality, that is, using the concept of privilege (describing systemic, societal asymetries of power) for silencing "more privileged" subgroups of the in-group.

etc.

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by Anonymousreply 39December 17, 2019 11:24 AM

One of the aspects why I cannot take trans activists seriously anymore is the constant shifting of goal posts and the conflation of different "categories" of rights. People like the idiot Rachel McKinnon always immediately react with "You are denying my existence!" or "Sport is a human right!". I think this is done to muddle the water intentionally. Without going too far into it, let's assume that we take for granted that there are human rights (because we, as societies, have decided that humans have something like inherent human rights); let's assume that these human rights are defined by the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In the Western world, trans people already enjoy all these rights. I have heard no one in this debate arguing that trans people should not have basic human rights; neither have I heard anyone deny the existence of trans people - we know they exist! So, the rights that trans people are fighting for are, in fact, mostly subordinate rights. And here is where it gets interesting, because different categories of rights are in conflict: Rights concerning women qua women, some of which are clearly based on biological sex, some based on the social perception of gender, come into conflict with rights pertaining to trans people qua trans people (if rights like this even exist - another debate to be had). Even if we accept the claim that "trans women are women", it only makes sense when applied to women's rights based on the social perception of gender, not based on sex. However, trans activists push for the elimination of sex altogether, even if it makes no sense.

Anyway, there are legitimate grievances, and I think it's important to talk about them reasonably and respectfully. I don't agree with the blind hate that you encounter here, but I will not be complicit in the toxic discourse that has developed in the past decade or so.

by Anonymousreply 40December 17, 2019 11:24 AM

Everything R25 said.

by Anonymousreply 41December 17, 2019 11:49 AM

This is so transphobic !

I'm twittering my rage this instant ! I won't be erased ! You fucking faggots & TERFs !!! I'll formulate death threats and FUCKING GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE TRANSPHOBIA !!!

by Anonymousreply 42December 17, 2019 11:49 AM

Usually it's TERFs not Trans who call us f*ggots.

by Anonymousreply 43December 17, 2019 12:14 PM

OP, there's your answer at R39 and R40

Even if I dont agree with all of it, the highlights in R39 are representative of the worst of the modern trans movement

And as R39 says;

[quote]And I think that there is a silent majority of trans people (especially old-school transsexuals) with common sense that are simply drowned out by shrill activists

Totally agree, I know some trans people like that, and this exactly describes their situation. They are good people that just want to get on with transitioning and then living life as their preferred gender

by Anonymousreply 44December 17, 2019 12:19 PM

What bothers me is that I notice it seems like gay men are getting fewer and further between these days. If they're not trans, they subscribe to that non-binary bullshit and say "DON'T call me a man! My pronouns are THEY/THEM!" Even if a lot of the time they wear male clothing, have a male name, and even a little bit of facial hair, etc. I think it is craziness and hope and pray this trend dies out within the next few years. Everybody wants to run away from themselves and even if they clearly are a man, they don't want to see themselves that way.

by Anonymousreply 45December 17, 2019 12:44 PM

They’re just jealous!

by Anonymousreply 46December 17, 2019 12:46 PM

Nonbinary and trans are totally different things however, R45.

by Anonymousreply 47December 17, 2019 12:50 PM

My very straight cousin just announced she's trans. She's now a we. She's 30ish and just broke up with her boyfriend. And very much not a we.

by Anonymousreply 48December 17, 2019 12:51 PM

Here's a transsexual woman, Rose of Dawn, explaining the issues with trans rights activists. Great interview. Her own channel is excellent too.

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by Anonymousreply 49December 17, 2019 1:15 PM

That's nonbinary not trans, R48.

by Anonymousreply 50December 17, 2019 1:29 PM

"Women don't have penises" is the sort of thing that SHOULD be posted hourly, because it's an unbelievably basic truth that people are now pretending not to believe.

by Anonymousreply 51December 17, 2019 1:32 PM

It's an alt-right division topic of the "SJWs have ruined the Democrats so we must support Trump" variety. That's all, OP.

Milo and his shitposters used to invade genuine threads we had about trans, and someone also pretended to have been at the same UCLA clinic Jenner had been at -- this was before Jenner came out as trans -- and told crazy stories that didn't make sense. A troll named Linda figured in all of that, suspected alternately of being either Davida or Milo.

We quickly got a lot of alt-right and straight women trolls from other websites posting here, and they remain here because it's anonymous and unmoderated. The few gays who support these constant anti trans spamming trolls are trolls themselves and I suspect they like the drama and that it irritates people more than anything else.

The Trumpsters who post here like to pretend that gays hate trans, which is part of the plan: divide the LGBT community. Just like they troll to divide the black community, the feminist community, etc. It's part of the online playbook.

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by Anonymousreply 52December 17, 2019 1:33 PM

True R43. The TERFs on Twitter never mention gay men unless they're blaming gays for not "stopping the trans" like we were supposed to?

by Anonymousreply 53December 17, 2019 1:35 PM

The only stories that pop up are on alt-right propaganda sites R29.

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by Anonymousreply 54December 17, 2019 1:36 PM

Thanks R52

That is the best explanation I've gotten.

by Anonymousreply 55December 17, 2019 2:38 PM

R55 LOL R52 is the "best explanation you got" because R52 confirmed your own biases. There absolutely no facts whatsoever in R52's post other than hearsay. But facts don't matter to people like you, do they? You didn't want a real conversation, you only want to hear what you want to hear, just like all trans and their followers. If you want to be in an echo chamber why don't you just talk to yourself in the bathroom and not waste everyone else's time. Fuck off, cunt!

by Anonymousreply 56December 17, 2019 2:50 PM

I don't understand it at all. I cannot comprehend why a gay person would be so hateful towards a trans person. The same arguments and hatred that are aimed at trans people are just recycled from what was directed towards gays (and still is but not as much), and if you can't have empathy based on that, I honestly think you have a screw loose or so much internalised self-hatred.

by Anonymousreply 57December 17, 2019 3:27 PM

It's mostly women not gay men, R57.

by Anonymousreply 58December 17, 2019 3:29 PM

R57 how can you even say that? Do you as a gay man care about your lesbian sisters being harassed and haggled by trans people who are being pushed into having sex with penises because of transphobia? How homophobic can a movement get? Please explain this to me.

R58 so because you're a gay man, it doesn't matter to you because you're not a woman?

This article is one of many on the subject. If it affects the Ls, it effects the the Gs and the Bs, too. Can you not see that? "Some women have penises. If you won’t sleep with them you’re transphobic"

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by Anonymousreply 59December 17, 2019 3:39 PM

[quote] Do you as a gay man care about your lesbian sisters being harassed and haggled by trans people who are being pushed into having sex with penises because of transphobia?

Jesus tits and God America! You’re fucking batshit crazy!

by Anonymousreply 60December 17, 2019 3:46 PM

R60 oh look! it's the "drag queens can't be trans" troll. coming back for more, dear?

by Anonymousreply 61December 17, 2019 3:49 PM

Vehemently disagreeing with the wretched, rancid activists is not hatred. Taking issue with being slurred for saying that is not hatred.

by Anonymousreply 62December 17, 2019 3:54 PM

R62 Read your own fucking words, Doll. They are hateful. You seem like an unstable cunt

by Anonymousreply 63December 17, 2019 3:56 PM

What is unstable about a lesbian not wanting to have sex with a penis?

by Anonymousreply 64December 17, 2019 4:00 PM

[quote]Nonbinary and trans are totally different things however

I got screamed at here the other day by some do-gooder Captain Save-a-Tranny for pointing that out.

by Anonymousreply 65December 17, 2019 4:01 PM

Aahahahahaha. OMFG! You are disturbed. Show me proof of Lesbians being forced to have sex with a penis! Other than the STRAIGHT MEN who rape them. You type like you are in the Bellagio

by Anonymousreply 66December 17, 2019 4:03 PM

Nonbinary and trans are slowly but surely melting into each other at this point

by Anonymousreply 67December 17, 2019 4:03 PM

R66

"Some women have penises. If you won’t sleep with them you’re transphobic"

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by Anonymousreply 68December 17, 2019 4:06 PM

They want to erase gay men.

by Anonymousreply 69December 17, 2019 4:07 PM

So there is a gun to their head forcing them to have sex with trans? Take your fucking nonsense to Trump rally. You truly have a simple mind. I’m out

by Anonymousreply 70December 17, 2019 4:08 PM

you run off as soon as someone else proves you wrong. anyone with a different opinion = automatic trump supporter. who really has the simple mind? goodbye! no one will miss you! R70

by Anonymousreply 71December 17, 2019 4:12 PM
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by Anonymousreply 72December 17, 2019 4:12 PM

It smells like poo in here

by Anonymousreply 73December 17, 2019 4:17 PM

[italic] Never argue with a crazy person.

Pretty soon, people won't be able to tell the difference. [/italic]

by Anonymousreply 74December 17, 2019 4:18 PM
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by Anonymousreply 75December 17, 2019 4:18 PM

Someone released Alok out of his thread ! Run for your lives !

by Anonymousreply 76December 17, 2019 4:20 PM

Alok is probably posting here. We know his friend Meredith does.

by Anonymousreply 77December 17, 2019 4:23 PM

R73 I thought you left with your tail between your legs, "drag queens can't be trans" troll. Come back for more? You must really enjoy the sexual humiliation of being shit on over and over and over again. FREAK!

by Anonymousreply 78December 17, 2019 4:23 PM

If you were as ugly as the _____ in r75, you'd want to do [italic]something[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 79December 17, 2019 4:24 PM

R73 people are not going to sculpt their lives around your existence. Why can't you accept that? Leave the world alone, and the world will leave you alone. No one ever talks shit about MTFs. Why? Because FTM never act like MTF. Males are some of the most entitled narcissists on planet earth, even when they try to be women!! The irony! MTFs are looking more and more like male misogynists everyday.

by Anonymousreply 80December 17, 2019 4:30 PM

Reducing women to sexist/shitty estereotypes, Sexual orientation now is the gross/awful term "Genital Preference" for them... Trans/Gender ideology is so regressive in so many ways...

by Anonymousreply 81December 17, 2019 4:35 PM

I am a gay man. I do not feel threatened or erased by trans. Transphobia is #notinmyname

by Anonymousreply 82December 17, 2019 5:37 PM

They're not threatening. They're just disgusting

by Anonymousreply 83December 17, 2019 5:56 PM

R83 is clearly having some sexual attraction they don’t want to have

by Anonymousreply 84December 17, 2019 6:25 PM

It's not hateful to understand basic biology. Look at the replies to this tweet from Prostate Cancer UK. Most people don't buy into this craziness.

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by Anonymousreply 85December 17, 2019 7:07 PM

Nobody cares r85. Do fuck off

by Anonymousreply 86December 17, 2019 7:10 PM

Because of the division and narcissism they brought with them to the LGBT community. Plain and simple. They tore the rainbow apart and turned the gay family into a competition for attention. Since joining the Gay-Lesbian alliance they've done nothing but divide us and make us fight amongst ourselves, which is why we've stayed oppressed for so long. They've turned us into a joke.

by Anonymousreply 87December 17, 2019 7:14 PM

R85 forget it. R86 is an intolerant narcissistic nonbinary troll who doesn't know how to die off. Ignore It and stop feeding It negative energy from which It thrives. Starve It to death of all energy and It fall away.

by Anonymousreply 88December 17, 2019 7:14 PM

OP, your picture explains it all.

by Anonymousreply 89December 17, 2019 7:24 PM

What r87 said times 1,000.

One of the main reasons we lost in 2016 was the emergence of Bruce/Caitlin. Period.

by Anonymousreply 90December 17, 2019 7:25 PM

"I think the incessant porn chatter on here is a waste of time and life"

R36 - I could not agree with you more.

by Anonymousreply 91December 17, 2019 7:30 PM

What’s with all the flamers at the moment? Are the kids off school? x

by Anonymousreply 92December 17, 2019 7:32 PM

r86 yes I can tell no one cares by this 93 post thread.

by Anonymousreply 93December 17, 2019 7:33 PM

"One of the main reasons we lost in 2016 was the emergence of Bruce/Caitlin. Period."

R90 - What? Bruce/Caitlin is a Republican Repube???>

by Anonymousreply 94December 17, 2019 7:36 PM

There aren't posts about them every hour - not even weekly. I read DL every day and the threads are infrequent. Stop trying to push your agenda.

by Anonymousreply 95December 17, 2019 9:37 PM

They are daily! I hope one day a beautiful WOMAN trout slaps y’all with her big beautiful cock!

by Anonymousreply 96December 17, 2019 9:48 PM

R90 is dumb.

R94 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 97December 17, 2019 11:13 PM

R94 is a fucking dumb cunt who is an embarrassment to gay men, logic, and intelligence

by Anonymousreply 98December 18, 2019 12:16 AM

I got through a few posts. No one here hates trans. We get frustrated with what feels like fake trans. It just seems to undermine actual trans.

by Anonymousreply 99December 18, 2019 9:21 AM

Sure Jan 🙄

by Anonymousreply 100December 18, 2019 6:50 PM

Divide & Conquer attempt from conservative plants, trolls, haters, one million moms, etc.

Pit one group against the other so they don't go after the real enemy which the groups have in common.

- Drop the You-Know-What Letter.

- Lesbians are the worst!

- Don't date Bisexuals! They are the worst!

- All those interracial couples on TV, so unrealistic, so fucking PC! They cast a POC for a character that was clearly written as Caucasian? That is SO WRONG!

- Queer is so offensive, it hurts me physically when those Millennials use it! It LITERALLY hurts me! And let me tell you about Millennials they are suuuuch babies! The need safe spaces, because words hurt them, can you imagine that? LOL

This is an anonymous message board and it has great advantages, but the downside is that haters and trolls use it as their own personal playground trying to a) establish their trollish and hateful narratives and b) get their rocks off by receiving attention and feedback becazse of their comments.

by Anonymousreply 101December 18, 2019 7:10 PM

r101 you've tipped a bit into conspiracy theory there. Sometimes, people just don't agree with you.

by Anonymousreply 102December 18, 2019 10:15 PM
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