Meet the Dutch girls who seduced Nazis — and lured them to their deaths

LITTLE WOMEN WITH GUNS

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What courage! I hope someone makes a movie about this so more people can appreciate this story.

We need them now. Or someone like them.

[quote]What courage! I hope someone makes a movie about this so more people can appreciate this story

There actually is a Dutch movie about one of the girls, she was executed by the Germans just before the end of WWII

I love their heroism. Of course. But I can't get over the image of anyone swinging the head of an infant against a brick wall. No joke here or attempt at humor. Just anger.

R5 That reminds me of the 1982 Dos Erres massacre in Guatemala I recently read about, commited by the local military:

[quote] They raped women and girls, and ripped the fetuses out of pregnant women. They bashed the smallest children's heads against walls and trees, and killed the older ones with hammer blows to the head. A baby was the first to be killed, by dumping the baby live into a deep 4 meter well, along with the rest of the bodies then after. Then the commandos interrogated the men and women one by one, raped some of the women again, then shot or bashed them with the hammer, and dumped them in the well. The massacre continued throughout 7 December. On the morning of 8 December, as the Kaibiles were preparing to leave, another 15 persons, among them children, arrived in the hamlet. With the well already full, they took the newcomers to a location half an hour away, then shot all but two of them. They kept two teenage girls for the next few days, raping them repeatedly and finally strangling them. Only one person survived this massacre, a small child who managed to escape.

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Paul Verhoeven's movie Black Book was kinda similar to this story.

BLACK BOOK is fantastic.

Paul “Showgirls” Verhoeven has always been an excellent director when not working in the U.S.

So do I.

I just listened to a podcast about them last week. It was an episode of My Favorite Murder. Crazy story, brave women.

I picture their story adapted as a Paul Verhoeven erotic thriller.

[quote]They raped women and girls, and ripped the fetuses out of pregnant women. They bashed the smallest children's heads against walls and trees, and killed the older ones with hammer blows to the head.

WTF is wrong with men? Seriously?

Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers is a candy colored chilling dystopia about a future fascist regime.

It's obvious that the misandrist frau's are already invading the thread. Thanks, R14.

That would be a no R16. I'm sure you've noticed that women haven't been behind progroms throughout history. That belongs to men.

Generalizing men because of history is as much misandry as generalizing women would be misogyny for the shitty things some of them have done. I'm sure you believe R17 that Elisabeth Bathory was a victim of the patriarchy.

R18, who knows. We were not there. I don't believe she killed as many people as history claims. Seems excessive but a lot of powerful men did owe her a ton of money they didn't want to pay back.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with some cunt who is just looking to argue for argument's sake. Piss off. Talk about trolling.

[quote] "a Nazi killing an infant by repeatedly swinging its tiny body against a brick wall,"

This is very hard to believe. The Germans acted with very great discretion in Holland. I'm sure she saw brutality, but I don't believe it was in any way THAT. In Holland things were much more cooly procedural. The Germans stepped back and had the dutch police do much of their dirty work. And the dutch police, and the Germans in Holland, certainly weren't going round killing babies, in public or otherwise. That happened when they were quietly shipped to Poland.

The "swinging the baby by the legs to bang its head" has become an 'evil nazi trope' like the now proven false one of jewish soap. It undoubtedly occurred in the extermination camps and in Poland, but even there, it's not likely to have occured to the extent it is told. However it heightens a colorful narrative. And that's regrettable. The Holocaust is bad enough. It doesn't need the horror embroidered for emotional or narrative effect. Old women tell tales.

Supposedly, the Japanese killed babies with bayonets during the "Rape of Nanking". You know it's bad when even Nazi's are horrified by your brutality.

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Please, Muriel, some FFs. R20 is sorely in need of one.

True heroes, unlike today's trash that thinks shit posting and "canceling" are actions. These were real heroes, and they're found across Europe. Since the kinder know nothing of history, I refer you the White Rose student group.

Those German chicks were seriously rough looking. That Altvater woman looks positively psycho.

This is heroism, coming from one who suffered for it, yet lived to tell her story through a fantastic book and a beautiful film.

R22, Have you seen the YouTube video describing the Nazi nurses who murdered the hundreds of mentally and physically less than perfect German citizens and then lied to their families re how they died? We're not just talking the very disabled here either. It was so pervasive that local schoolchildren joked that bad kids who didn't behave or follow the party line would join the blue smoke billowing from the sky in the nearby extermination building.

My 2nd generation German-American roommate explained the German mentality. You're either an extremely productive matter of the Fatherland or you are a drain on society's resources. Even today I know of elderly people who force themselves to work beyond their physical capacity or try to end their lives, comparing themselves to old, broken down horses.

China still has the same viewpoint. Note the lack of care homes for the very elderly and disabled. Children that can't keep up at school are left at home, without care, as both parents must work full-time.

[quote]One of the evil frauen in the story at R22 is named Erna.

Why R23? I'm not saying babies weren't killed. Eichmann's bureau wanted to kill every Jewish child it could get its hands on! But Holland wasn't Poland or Russia. Indeed, if a Dutch police officer, or even Nazi soldier had done that in Holland -- or Germany for that matter-- he would have been sanctioned. The Germans were very particular about not upsetting the Dutch populous more than could be helped. The Holocaust was discreetly managed there.

Whatever killings this woman did, it would be reasonable to expect they may have troubled her conscience in later life, and the what she did see, and what she felt she needed to say to justify it to herself and others may be very different things. The truth is often very much more complex. Perhaps...just perhaps...this incident did happen. But it would have been utterly out of the ordinary if it had. Repeat: Holland wasn't Poland or Russia, where the rulebook was tossed out the window. In Holland, the Germans acted within their own rulebook, where appearances of order and 'military correct behaviour' (while organising for the mass murder to occur elsewhere) were very important to them. Their resources were spread thinly, so if anyone had committed a blatant outrage like banging a baby's head against brick walls, and word had got out, they would have risked far more insurrection. Orderly rounding up of Jews for Westerbork, and shipping them off for extermination elsewhere: that could be done without upsetting the pigeons.

R27, you do realize that Euthanasia was an American idea. It was introduced to Germany through an American exhibit at the Hygiene Museum in Dresden. It was also very popular world wide in the 1920s.

Why are you defending Nazis R30

I believe every horrid story these heroic ladies could tell, was likely true.

Non-violent resistance is over-estimated.

It's a fine thing. But it is not the only way.