Are every long-term relationship between gays condemned to be open?

No. I'm married near 4 years and neither of us have stepped out nor would we ever.

After years and years of casual sex, it just isn't interesting anymore. Now I just fill my void with married couples stuff and Lil' Debbies instead of booze and anonymous sex.

Damn, I wish I'd let the sexy guy I loved for three years have a go with someone else. Maybe he'd still be hanging around. There was a lifetime connection there, but I couldn't take the thought of him with another guy so now we're besties and he can be with anyone he likes. Pride goes before a fall. But I never let go of mine and deep down inside, regretful as I am, I think I've been respected for it, even if looking back I might have done it another way.

I'm more surprised when I find out a gay couple is monogamous than not.

But to me, it's kind of sad when I know someone is married and they are on the apps EVERY day.

God I am SO sick of mine and we're married.

We’ve been married for four years and together for seven. I’ve only ever been with my husband, so I do think it is possible to have a long term monogamous marriage.

The phrase "self-fulfilling prophesy" applies here.

And ditch the Little Debbies, R1, if you want to keep your man interested.

My partner and I have been together for almost six years, and we've been monogamous. It's what we want to do. I completely understand guys that would rather have an open relationship, or some other relationship configuration. Different strokes for different folks.

[quote] Different strokes for different folks.

That attitude is how the kids from [italic]Diff'rent Strokes[/italic] ended up in jail.

OP, I don't think it always works like that. I've only been with the one man since we both connected, over 35 years ago. We were together for 9 years before he decided we should separate. He had two rebound boyfriends after that, and would even call me to ask for advice about the one guy. Those relationships both ended, and we slowly drifted back together, with me feeling a lot of hurt in the process. But you keep having new experiences together, and your life takes different turns, but you're going through that stuff together. At his point, I never think of him being with someone else: if he is, I'd rather not know. I'm pretty sure he knows he's been the only guy in my life for a long time. I had more experience with guys when we first got together, and he was very sheltered, and I think needed to sample something else. It all happened a long time ago.

Sounds like my parents marriage, one fucks around and the other is heavily in denial

Cuckolding darling ,all the straights are doing it

Just because heterosexuals are lying, cheating scumbags doesn't mean gays have to be.

Cuckolding is not cheating

What's cuckolding?

OP if you guys are having threesomes you are already open.

Open just means you have sex with someone other than your partner, which you have. The rules of how the open relationship you are in will work is up to you guys.

I'm R9, again. I never got really angry when he started seeing other guys, since we were officially over. That's all I'd ask: just tell me you're moving on. If he had been sneaking around while we were together, and I found out, that would be it. As I said, I knew the guys' names, and their family histories, and he asked me for advice when there were problems. It's a very personal decision: I'd rather be alone that without someone I couldn't trust.

Open relationships are like assholes, if you keep pushing the envelope and break the rules you wind up prolapsed.

Happily married and monogamous here for 5 years. I’ve cheated and been cheated on in the past and every other role you could think of in between, including open relationships. It’s tiring.

There’s an electricity that exists between the trust of monogamy that is rare and not like anything else. The first time my husband smiled at me I knew he was the right guy. I’m also 50 so I’d have to spend another 20 years looking for a man as good as my husband.

I use porn, flirt, but would never cheat on him or open the relationship because he’s also my best friend, would short circuit our connection and I know what I’ve got is special.

Me and my husband have been monogamous for 23 years. I don't see a problem with open relationships as long as all consent, it's just not for us.

Been together 22 years - and there's not a chance of an us having an open relationship. Finding the right partner is almost a miracle -- why risk ruining it with someone else?

No- whatever a couple works out seems to be fine. Right? Who am I to say whether a couple should confine sex to each other or open it up. I know what I prefer but that only matters to me and my partner.

"Condemned"? For those of us who have open marriages/don't ask,don't tell, we don't see it as condemned but perhaps blessed. Blessed because we have partners or spouses of the same maturity and on the same page. Sex doesn't equal love and we understand that. I don't want to judge those who don't have open marriages, I just understand they don't have the same sex drive.

Are? Every relationship are? Noun verb agreement....

I'm 47 and going on 11 monogamous years with my man; we were married just this year. Sex is nowhere near as frequent as it once was, and that's frustrating to me at times, but I love him and could never ruin everything else we have by involving others. I know it would end and not well. So, I just jerk off and bake a lot of cookies.

Been monogamous with my partner of six years the whole time - but a few months ago, after many discussions, we finally decided to go to a sexy party. We established ground rules, what we will and won't be comfortable engaging in, and we had a great time. We essentially just had sex with each other in front of other guys jerking off...and at one point he and I were standing side by side, a guy started blowing him (and I found myself unfazed by it, which I was surprised at), and a hot guy grabbed my dick at the same time, and I grabbed his. This little 'orgy' lasted all of 30 seconds, and then we were back to fucking each other in a sling to an audience, but it really electrified our sex lives in bed afterwards, and made us closer. We do plan on doing it again maybe in a year...but I would want to understand that we are still on the same page first.

I recall being very nervous about the concept of opening up, that it might ruin what we have. Whether it was time, trust, honesty, clearly stated parameters, or recognition of our own and each others' sexualities, I'm not sure. Probably all of the above, but I'm no longer nervous about that concept, now that I've seen it in real time, and with a real committed relationship. It's given me food for thought.

I don't think 'condemned' is the right word here. I think people need to be open and honest with each other with what they expect from their relationship and what is right for them, and it's really no one else's business.

20+ years and monogamous. Still have hot sex. My best friend and my lover. Why would I fuck that up?

[quote]Are every long-term relationship between gays condemned to be open?

OP types illiterate and that reflects the society in which he is.

Together with my husband of 26 years. We had two separations early on and we both had sex with other guys while we were apart. Miraculously we made our way back to each other twice and it finally stuck. Nothing makes you appreciate someone until you're away from them. Since the last separation we've been monogamous. The sex is pretty infrequent now but it doesn't bother me. We're still really affectionate and we say I love you at the end of every phone conversation. IMO you have to decide that monogamy is what you want and then you have to work at it. It's not always easy.

R28 I'm Spaniard, asshole

I'm 36. haven't been with anyone other than my now husband for the last 14 years, since our first date

The few times I had open relationships, the relationships ultimately ended because we spent so much time looking for our next score.

My partner and I have been together for 9 years and have remained monogamous. Sure I get tempted, but I've learned where it inevitably leads. It's so great to not spend so much time looking for sex

R32 You're so right. I've seen so many guys, both gay and straight who are single and we spend a lot of time and energy and making sacrifices in order to hook up with people. And the appealing thing about being in a relationship to me is not having to do that. And I see a lot of gay couples still spending all their energy on finding new hook ups. either together or seperately, It just looks incredibly tiring and exhausting to me.

Monogamy is being able to enjoy all the ice cream you can dish out, every day, for the rest of your life.

Yet only one flavor.

For both gay and straight relationships, there are a million ways to work something out. I think completely open relationships where both partners have sex with whomever they want and the partner is completely ok with that, is not common. I suspect the strain on the relationship is heavy and may tear it apart. But you know what? Many relationships are inclined to tear apart over time, not matter what their agreements and arrangements. I also suspect that if infidelity is going on, best to be "French" about it, keep it discreet, and not insult the partner.

My partner and I have been together 25 years, married for 10, and are in a committed relationship. It takes what it takes. I'm grateful.

R34 Some people enjoy only one flavor. I'm one of those people. My days of taste-testing are over. I've hit the jackpot.

[quote] Yet only one flavor.

At this point in my life, I know the flavor I like the most and ask for it every time I go to an ice cream store

I just wouldn't be attached to anyone who 'needed' to be with other people, either from a ravenous sexual appetite or some insatiable need to be desired.

But that's all I've ever found.

Yeah, I'm single.

[quote] I think completely open relationships where both partners have sex with whomever they want and the partner is completely ok with that, is not common. I suspect the strain on the relationship is heavy and may tear it apart.

I know three couples who have completely open relationships like that. They have all been going strong for at least a decade. It works for them because they all entered their relationships knowing that they would be open. They truly do love one another but find that lots of sex with other guys is part of their DNA and they wouldn't be happy without it.

Since you self-identify as a "Spaniard" OP, perhaps your cultural bias leads you to believe "every long-term relationship between gays [is] condemned to be open". Discuss!

So responses seem to be proving OP wrong. Personally, on one of the first dates with my husband of 20 years, we discussed the irrelevance of monogamy to both of us. Never considered sex as the basis of the relationship. In fact, I’ve always thought of sex and love as independent things. One is a purely physical thing - the other mental, emotional and spiritual. A helpful challenge is avoiding jealousy. It forces a recognition that you don’t own someone and that you are both individually responsible for your own happiness. I grew up with an insanely jealous father - it’s all about controlling. I never want that. Though everyone is different, I appreciate as a gay man being able to define a relationship differently than society’s definition of marriage=monogamy.

OP, maybe you should consider Timmy's situation. YOU are the married one after all, and I just feel that both he AND Elizabeth have been remarkably patient and tolerant, considering. Let him have a bit of fun, he's young.

Sad, SICK people.

I'm a family counselor with a 60% gay clientele and have been in my profession over 30 years. I can probably count with both hands the number of clients who privately asserted they were monogamous, but found that the overwhelming majority of gay men have gone outside their relationship at least occasionally for sex, and that in many cases they have not discussed this with their partners, either because a don't ask don't tell arrangement is usually assumed by both parties or because they just pretend to be monogamous.

I don't think monogamy has much of a chance in gay relationships today with all of the hook-up apps. I think if I was young and single and looked like I did wihen I met my husband, we probably wouldn't be together today. Mock me all that you want to gaylings. But if I were you, I'd look for something that lasts. Find someone who enriches your life beyond sex and who makes you laugh.

R44 You mean just like hetero relationships? Right.

#44 is rich.

As the counselors will tell you, there’s open relationships and there is lying. Accept reality. Why does it threaten you,

R44 is a homophobe who proved psychiatry and psychology are quackery and that we were better off believing in folk wisdom, old wives’ tales, and tea leaf reading.

Why even have a relationship at all if you refuse to be faithful to each other? That’s like calling yourself a carnivore while constantly eating french fries, pie, and Coca-Cola.

I think an open rs is inevitable if one partner has people throwing themselves at them. Be it from being rich/famous/hot.

Sexual monogamy is not the same as faithfulness in my mind. Richer or poorer, sickness and health are more important arbiters of faithfulness. Getting off is like peeing.

R46 Yes, but mostly the men.

I think if you are both on the youngish side, a L-T relationship will most likely be open. If you are in your caftan-wearing years, then it's more monogamous.

When I'm visiting larger cities I find it to be common. When I'm visiting smaller ones I find it to be less so. I think some of it has to do with opportunity.

However, even among my group of friends (NYC) most of them are open.

Out of 10 of us, about 8 seem to have open relationships with other people. 4 of them never seem to exercise that option. 2 of them were "pushed" into that option by a partner. (So one partner is running around fucking people left and right while the other doesn't.) The last 2 seem to hook up with another partner every now and then.

The last of us, myself included, aren't into that. We happen to be the oldest ones of the group in our 30s. We've both done that with people in our 20s and it just wasn't for us. My friend is handsome as hell but he can't seem to find anyone that just wants to settle and I'm in the same boat.

No one judges anyone else except for all of us vs. the two "pushed" into it because they didn't want to lose their partner. They'll have to figure that out by themselves though. That's the wrong reason to go about it, in our opinions.

[quote]I think an open rs is inevitable if one partner has people throwing themselves at them.

It's about the person you are, not the number of temptations laid at your doorstep. You either decide to be monogamous or you don't.

Relatively few gay men do.

Heterosexuals have deprived us of incentives to monogamy by passing laws and enforcing social stigmas against homosexuality. These have an effect on the gay male psyche and cheapen his sense of self-worth.

My husband and I have been together for 33 years and have been completely monogamous. If two people share a commitment to being faithful, then it isn't a "struggle" to maintain. Having sex outside of our relationship is simply not anything to even consider.

If you have what every gay man has wanted since time immemorial, then why would you throw it away on a whim? That’s not only stupid, it’s cruel. It essentially devalues gay relationships by saying “you’re only here until someone richer or skinnier comes along.”

Each partner needs to recognize who they are. I could handle it, but my partner could not. He has health problems that limit sex, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t hurt him if I opened up my side. So I accept that as the price of being in a relationship With him. He puts up with tons of my shit, and my life is full of too much to do that is not sex. It’s a trade off, but it’s fair.

I was in an 11 year monogamous relationship, but was coerced into having it become an open one. I tried to be open-minded but after three months of that, I left. We are no longer even friends. I prefer being single to living like that and will probably remain so. The eldergays in my age group all want to be with Millennials, even as they bitch and complain about them.

So many people so certain their man is monogamous... You can only be certain about your own behavior.

R62 Right.

I’m so glad that I always saw monogamy as a scam.

16% of all humans in "monogamous relationships" are vulnerable to cheating. Men more than women. Older more than younger. Black more than white. College educated more than HS educated. Democrats more than Republicans.

Monogamous relationships much less likely to get divorces than open relationships.

Why do we do this to the men we love? Why do we treat them as expendable and interchangeable? Call why are we so insecure about ourselves that we feel the need to trade a lifetime of trust for one ephemeral moments of pleasure that’s over As soon as it has begun?

A big risk with open relationships is falling in love with a FB. I have seen it a number of times and it wreaks havoc on the primary relationship each time.

Open relationships should only be for those who can put a up a wall between sex and feelings

R67 did the relationships with the FBs last? Or did the old saying "you lose them they way you got them" hold true?

Amazed at how many are saying they are monogamous. R55 may be right - maybe it’s affected by location. I just can’t imagine monogamy being an enforced part of any relationship in 2019 - especially gay.

The one friend I have who had issues with it had a boyfriend who was extremely controlling and insecure about losing him. My friend had a discreet hookup occasionally, but the boyfriend was like a prison camp enforcer sniffing out any hint of potential interest in anyone else. It was painful to be around. They finally went to counseling - where the boyfriend worked through his fear and insecurity and slowly evolved. Fear of cheating is a form of control and jealousy is a neurotic unhealthy emotion to harbor.

If monogamy is agreed upon in a relationship, then it would make no sense NOT to enforce the agreement if cheating occurred R70.

No one is forcing anyone to be monogamous. If the monogamy agreement is no longer viable for one partner, the choices are clear: The other partner accepts non-monogamy, or end the relationship.

R71 Unfortunately relationship may be based on some kind of agreement but they're not enforceable legal contracts. In any relationship there's much more grey than black and white.

[quote] Fear of cheating is a form of control and jealousy is a neurotic unhealthy emotion to harbor.

Sounds so much like my ex

Apparently, yes. Just take a gander at Scruff and the other married hookup sites.

Of course most here are “monogamous”. Go into any thread about sex and dataloungers freak the hell out when they find out there are gays who are happy having sex.

I doubt these “monogamous” gays on here could even cheat even if they tried. It’s like hearing an ugly straight man complain that gays won’t stop trying to seduce him.

But if we look at actually attractive gay men, then yeah, that monogamy shit won’t work. It really is rare. The only really good looking monogamous gays I’ve met, I don’t trust them. They’re all uptight in the way closeted republicans are which makes me think they’re even bigger freaks in bed than actual sluts. Same things with incels. Go into any incel website and it’s ugly heteros who can’t get laid talking about how all women are sluts and they’re not.

R75, that is an aria in projection in the key of Bitter flat.

R76 DL post of the year.

34 years, married 11. Less than 3 years into our relationship, my partner was having side sex. I learned about one because he told me and was thinking of leaving me. Swore it wouldn't happen again. It did.

Within two years, he was sleeping around. Second verse, worse than the first. Stupidly, I thought he'd stop but he didn't. It just escalated until several of the guys he was hooking up with told me it was going on. They felt bad because he'd told them we had an open relationship.

Don't ask how it ends; I'm still figuring it out.

90% of relationships are non-monogamous. The other 10% are lying.

R79 has examined and researched EVERY.SINGLE.RELATIONSHIP in the entire world and can read the minds of those involved. Either that or he's a cynic on a monumental scale. In actuality, the only relationship he can speak of with certainty is his own.

Ok i grant there might be that freak case here and there like a third nipple.

R81 My partner and I are one of those "freak cases" then. We have been living together for 6 years. We have been faithful to each other for the entire 6 years. I will stake my life on that. I had been involved previous to that in relationships with other men, and there certainly may have been instances where those guys got involved with other people. Not this one, though. I trust him. When he is not at work, we are together. There is no hanky-panky at work. Let's look at the logistics at his workplace. He works at a veterinary clinic as a veterinary technician. The two vets are women in their 50s. The other vet tech is a woman. The office staff are women.

We have mutual interests. We do things together. We enjoy one another's company. We make one another laugh. He is an exceptional person. He has made me strive to be a better person. And guess what. We two are not the only couple in a solid relationship. There are others like us.

Nope, not even after over 20 years together.

Probably nine out of ten of all if you who CLAIM to be monagamous are lying or only one of you is monagamous, or in denial. I know this because I have fucked guys whose partner thinks they are monagamous. Many times at that too. Unless you are with him 24/7 he may just slip out for a quickie with me. I have screwed them in the marital bed and the took off. Smell those linens, you might smell my ass cheese. You are probably not in a monagamous relationship at all.

[quote]Are every long-term relationship between gays condemned to be open?

Oh, [italic]DEAR.[/italic]

R25 if you two have been to a sex club and let people watch, you are not monagamous! Sorry it doesn't work that way.

*******Unless you are with him 24/7 he may just slip out for a quickie with me.*******

You don't settle for chopped liver when you can get steak at home.

R86 it’s not the sex; it’s the lying that counts. Monogamy is about trust and trustworthiness. Having been there, I can say it’s not his extra curricular sex that wounded us. It was the lying.

[quote]Are every long-term relationship between gays condemned to be open?

Only if you’re whores with no self-control.

[quote]Don't ask how it ends; I'm still figuring it out.

R78 WTF is there to figure out? Dump him ASAP before you end up with HIV. He might be fucking these guys raw (or they’re fucking him raw) and then you’ll end up paying the price. If you’re dumb enough to stay with him, at least insist on condoms or getting on Prep to at least protect yourself from whatever he might catch.

Im a veteran of 2 long term relationships (12 years and 7 respectively) and many short term relationships. The ONLY one who didnt cheat at one point or the other was the 12 year one. And I cheated on HIM several times in the first 2 years we were together . Once I settled down we swore fidelity and for the decade after that I never cheated once,and I know he didnt because I always knew where he was at all times plus he wanted sex every single day of our 12 years together. I too went into relationships just assuming it was going to happen. I figured it saved heart break that way. Younger I would have said it wasnt a deal breaker,but as I aged I think it would have been. It wasnt about the sex,it was the lying I couldnt cope with. My 1st husband I trusted with my life. if he said "this was this" I could take it to the bank. I realized later in life how special that truly was.

Monogamy dictates lying. So I’m confused why monogamy is correlated with not lying. The one way to ensure you don’t have an honest relationship is to forbid any sexual contact outside of marriage. Like being gay - you have two options, to be honest or not. I feel the same about monogamy. The paranoia and constant monitoring of where he is and when and with whom is sooo not healthy.

I just can’t get over the posters on this thread who swear that those who say they are monogamous are lying. You all do realize that when you write that, you’re really saying that you personally can’t be faithful? Monogamy is REALLY not some insurmountable struggle (or even a struggle at all) if you value its importance in maintaining the trust in your relationship.

[quote]The one way to ensure you don’t have an honest relationship is to forbid any sexual contact outside of marriage.

Forbid? How about an honestly monogamous relationship based on mutual agreement? My hubby of 23 years and I had at least two decades of tricking/dating/relationship experience before we met. We knew monogamy was what we were looking for.

Just because you don't cheat on him doesn't mean he doesn't cheat on you.

Ah, the DL --- sowing doubt into the hearts and minds of monogamous gay men since 1995 <3

Now I kinda curious, any of you guys ever cheated or was cheated by/your partner/husband with women?

What is a relationship?

R97 Oh honey,I was dumped three times for a woman (hence no dating bi's ever) and twice for Jesus. Not the mexican one either.

Not everyone prioritizes sex above all or has urges to pursue sex outside of their one-on-one relationship. it's horseshit to assert that men cannot be monogamous to one another for extended amounts of time, or for life.

My husband and I have been together for 11 years; prior to that, we were platonic friends for three years. We are legally wedded spouses, artists, successful business partners, and best friends. We work together and spend our free time together because we want to, not because we have to. We have enough in common that we're comfortable and familiar, and yet enough not in common that it makes things interesting. Sex is still volcanic between us.

So, if you're so cynical that you can't imagine that, let alone accept that just because you're incapable of monogamy yourself, then you're a fool. But I still hope you'll find that which makes you happy, whatever it may be.

[quote]Are every long-term relationship between gays condemned to be open?

OP, do you ask this same thing about straight couples?

R93 I just can’t get over the posters on this thread who swear that those who say they are monogamous are lying.

Maybe not all of them but many, many of them. They lie to themselves and therefore they lie to others. And I don't think this is a bad strategy if you love your spouse and you can't have an open relationship.

I the cheater loves their relationship they should keep their flings to themselves. We all know that most flings are just NSA, unemotional encounters not more profound than masturbation where sometimes you don't even know the other person's name. Why hurt your spouse by bringing information home that they may not understand and hurt them irreversibly.

Take your flings to the grave with you. And love your spouse.

R99 3 TIMES?!?! Sorry to hear that. Were these guys "mostly straight" to begin with, gay-leaning, or just liars?

You had an open marriage as of the night that you had your first threesome and Decided that you would do it again. An open relationship can become a closed relationship and vice versa. The ones that work best have the most communication and negotiation and respect for each other’s boundaries.

R101 I don't cate about straight couple.

Is an entire different and boring universe. Glad to be gay, even if that means being unable to be faithful. Not into marriage and kids ASAP, even being obviously emotionally unprepared, just to prove I'm happy like most straight couples do.

THANK YOU R23. Sad that it took 23 replies before anyone noticed the GLARING typo, but anyway, thanks.

I don't 'cate' about straight couple either R105/OP/Idiot.

R106 R107

Care*

I'm Spaniard so my smartphone use the Spanish spelling checker. I've told that before in this same thread.

Would love to see you writing or speaking in Spanish.

[Quote] Sad that it took 23 replies before anyone noticed the GLARING typo,

Oh we all noticed it. Just didn't bother to comment or correct. Too busy cruising on Grindr while the husband is at work.

R99 I'm sorry to hear this, It seems that the bi stereotypes are kinda true.

Absolutely true R110 . Its a cliche for a reason . Bi guys will ALWAYS end up with a woman . Always . I learned many years ago that they are fun to fuck,but I would never develop feelings for one .

R111 but were the bi's mostly straight?

I'm bisexual, but it doesn't matter now. I committed to my husband 11 years ago and forsook all others; I don't even think of other people.

R87 you're probably more like a steak from the mark down bin and you probably look like Quasimodo who's been run over by a truck. No telling what he looks like either.

R87 you're probably more like a steak from the mark down bin and you probably look like Quasimodo who's been run over by a truck. No telling what he looks like either.

R87 you are probably more like a steak from the mark down bin and look like Quasimodo who's been run over by a truck. No telling what he looks like either.

Wow there's a lot of denial here and it ain't that river in Africa either. But if thinking he may not cheat makes you happy, so be it. And do you really know where he is all the time? What a big big lie. Gimme a break.

R115 Come on now, is that the best you can do? How old are you? 12? 13? A kid could come up with a better comeback than that. Does your mother know you're online trolling a gay forum, or is she too busy standing on the street corner looking for business? Practice some more, then come back and see what you can do.

Some of the DL girls have been put in a tizzy, obviously there's something to be worried about.

R118 That's rich coming from someone calling themselves the FabulousMissLucy! Get real!

R120 and R115 My comment was way too harsh. My apologies to both of you.

My husband and I have 3 kids. There is no time to cheat. Heck, there's no time to have sex

I know two long term couples that never have sex together at all. They have lots of sex outside the marriage.

"There's no time to have sex" just means "there's no time to have sex with each other."

OP is fishing for an excuse to be a fat slut.

R125 Why do you say that?

I don't get it. To get fat so I can't have success with guys and so not to have temptation?

R118 I'm neither R115 or R120 but I just wanted to tell you that I think you sound like a really lovely person! Apologizing to strangers on an anonymous forum reflects great character, I have seen that probably 2 or 3 times in all the decades I've spent online. For that, I wish you and your partner many long happy years together, you truly deserve it, TheFabulousMissLucy ❤

R1: this really warmed my heart. Much love to you.

R127 Sometimes I allow anger or annoyance to have too much control. Thankfully, it doesn't happen often. I'm truly sorry that it happened this time. And I want to thank R120 for bringing me up short the way he did. I needed that wake-up call.

Open?

He never sucked MY dick!

Can we talk about Dyatlov Pass and tattoos now?

I guess I'm the outlier - been with the same guy for nearly 30 years now. I strayed a little in the beginning but we're not into the open or throuple thing.