Do any of you remember that poor Green Beret?

there's your answer fishbulb

I knew someone who knew one of his fellow inmates. He said McDonald was well liked in prison. He was a doctor, so he tried to help his fellow inmates, although I believe his license was revoked, so he had to be careful. Apparently, he was considered to be a friend to all.

The person I knew also had an interest in true crime and had followed his story extensively. It was their opinion that he was guilty, but very intelligent and therefore able to con people to some extent about it.

He's still in jail for murdering his family. Apparently recently denied a new trial.

I don't know what fish bulb means, R1, but thank you. He always seemed very intelligent and attractive to me, so I'm far from convinced of his guilt. He isn't the same gentleman who sang that Green Beret song, is he?

I think that was Barry Sadler, R4.

Barry sings.

What became of Barry?

On September 7, 1988, Sadler was shot in the head while sitting in a cab in Guatemala City. ... Sadler was moved to the VA Hospital in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, in February 1989, but he never recovered from his injury. He died there of cardiac arrest on November 5, 1989, four days after his 49th birthday.

I bet Jeff throws a mean fuck.

I believe him... read up to n Helena Stockley, I think that’s her name

What the hell does "intelligent and attractive" have to do guilty vs. not guilty, fishbulb?

do with ^

An intelligent and attractive man wouldn’t do something like this. Especially an attractive one.

Dumbass R9, Helena Stokely was a drug addict who barely knew her own name because her brain was so fried. Not a credible witness. Then there’s all the physical evidence that basically lays out what happened.

MacDonald was full of barely suppressed rage, high on amphetamines, and hadn’t slept in something like 2 days. There is no evidence whatsoever that anyone other than the four people who lived there were in the house that night.

My ex SIL was friends with his wife Colette. After McDonald murdered her and the children, her mother offered my SIL some of her things. She politely declined them

R14, did she know Jeff? Did she ever say anything about him?

R13: Fuckface, on the way to the home, the MP’s saw on blonde headed under a street light and they discovered long, synthetic blonde hairs in the home. She admitted that she had previously worn a blonde wig... druggies do have moments of clarity.

Fish Bulb!

R16, it was a hair from a goddamn doll that one of the kids had. MacDonald tracked their blood all over the house. There was absolutely no one else in the house that night.

He was hopped up on amphetamines and psychotic from not having slept in days. He and Colette got into it about one of the kids pissing in the bed and he killed them all, then cut himself with a scalpel.

McDonald wasn’t very smart. He had gotten away with it until he virtually taunted the police into reinvestigating the crime. He got Joe McGuiness to write a book about how horribly he had been treated, and McGuiness uncovered further proof of his guilt.

The prosecutor who tried the case ended up badly. He later went into private practice, eventually misappropriated some client funds to cover up something very minor and it all came back to bite him. He ended up disbarred and in state prison for a couple of years. When he got out of prison he worked as the maitre ‘d at the 42ns Street Oyster Bar in Raleigh.

I remember watching the miniseries and Gary Cole played him.

I do wonder if MacDonald actually believes that he didn’t do it. Could it be that he was in some kind of psychotic daze and doesn’t remember doing it? And that his mind has concocted this hippie story, which is implanted in his brain as his actual memory? I dunno.

R16 thinks acid is groovy

Sigh.... some sad thirsty eldergay bitches here, especially OP.

There was a magazine on the coffee table which featured an article about the Manson family. It inspired McDonald's bullshit story.

I lived in Raleigh at the time the murders occurred, and since my brother was one of the few hippies in North Carolina at the time, I knew that there were very few hippies in the whole state, and certainly not an organized group of them motivated enough to pull off such a horrible crime.

I recently re-read 'Fatal Vision', and I still believe very strongly that McDonald murdered his wife and daughters in a rage.

What's especially chilling was the murder of his three-year-old daughter Kristen. I believe he murdered the wife and daughter Kimberly in a speed-fueled rage, but he pulled his sleeping toddler out of her bed and stabbed her to death just to make his story all line up.

Yeah, had the police not thrown out MacDonald's pajama bottoms, that might have been proven during the trial.

If you look at the crime scene photos, there's a small pool of blood on the floor next to Kristen's bed.

Anyone read Errol Morris's book about the case?

IIRC the prosecution said that Colette had regained consciousness and gone down the hall into Kristen's room. That was her blood on the floor. As she was standing over the bed Jeffrey came up behind and hit her with a piece of wood hard enough to splatter blood onto the wall.

I remember there was a problem with the way the murder scene was staged. There was a coffee table laying on it's side (suggesting it had been knocked over in a struggle) but no matter what the cops did they could not get it to go into that position. It always flipped onto its back/legs up. One of the things that gave the cops a hinky feeling about MacDonald.

MacDonald claimed he was fighting for life against 3 assailants yet the only things disturbed were a coffee table and a plant. In that tiny living room even Valentine cards on the mantel were sitting upright.

Fuck you, R24. Explain to me how such a good-looking man could do those things? Why would the good Lord give an evil man such dashing looks?

Yes, OP, some hippies broke in, stabbed & clubbed a pregnant woman & two children over & over, while Dr. Jeff received injuries that required a couple of stitches.

I assume this a parody/joke post, otherwise, you're a moron.

MacDonald is a sociopath. Or psychopath. One of those. Anyway, he's guilty as sin. He was convicted of the crime because the EVIDENCE showed him to be guilty. But his supporters aren't much swayed by the evidence. They just kind of believe him. But he has a superficial charm and has always been regarded as sort of "glamorous" personality; an attractive (although not any more) man, a Green Beret, a doctor. He's good at conning people, like sociopaths are.

MacDonald always said that four drug crazed hippies (Manson family types) broke into his small apartment and injured him and murdered his wife and two little girls. Hmm...the drug crazed killers gave him a bump on the head, a few scratches and a very neat, precise incision in his chest that partially collapsed one lung. His wife and children, on the other hand, were butched; skulls cracked open, stabbed dozens of times with an ice pick and a knife. So the drug crazed killers concentrated on killing a pregnant woman and two little girls while leaving the only danger to them, the big strong Green Beret, with relatively minor injuries? Yeah, right. And that's just one of the implausibilities in this case.

He was fine when he was young. Sick, pathological bastard. I will never understand what possesses white men to murder their entire family. Is it some type of God complex.

r19 Arrogance or greed is always the down fall of high iq psychopaths. I think it is the universe, in very eastern philosophy way, of balancing things.

r35, Psychopaths ARE sociopaths who commit murder or any other deviant crime.

[quote]Explain to me how such a good-looking man could do those things?

You're far too old to act this dim, R33.

Supposedly he was hopped up on Eskatrol, a highly dangerous kind of speed (Edie Sedgwick took the same thing) when he killed his family. Taken long enough it can cause psychosis. The theory is that MacDonald was arguing with his wife, became enraged (despite being promiscuous, he had a deep seated hatred of women), and clubbed her and their oldest daughter to death. Realizing what he'd done he devised a scheme to make it look like drug crazed intruders had come in and killed his family by stabbing the hell out of his wife and oldest girl; then he went into his youngest daughter's room (a baby), took her out of her crib and laid her across his lap, stabbing her. But before devising this plan, he had another though. A crime scene photograph shows a suitcase sitting outside a closet. There was blood all around it but none on the suitcase. It's been surmised that before giving himself the cut in the chest to make it look like he'd been attacked he was planning to flee.

R36, whereas when non-white men murder their entire family, it's perfectly understandable? What does McDonald's race have to do with anything?

Meanwhile, I wish Fatal Vision were available streaming or on DVD. Gary Cole was very handsome in 1984.

r41, You dumb ass bitch. Non white men very rarely murder their entire family.

R42, what difference does that make? "Hardly ever" is not "never". This is about a specific crime; the race of the perpetrator is irrelevant.

R15 No she did not. She knew Collette from high school and lost track of her when she moved off of Long Island. She stayed in touch with Colettes parents.

BTW, McDonald isn't the "POOR" green beret...he killed them in cold blood...two babies and his pregnant wife Collette...they were the poor ones, not this cold blooded prick

Good Vanity Fair article from back in the 90s

An enraged Jeffrey MacDonald wrote a reply in response to the Vanity Fair piece. This is what the very miffed MacDonald said:

"Wow! Robert Sam Anson, with his hatchet job ["The Devil and Jeffrey MacDonald," July], has now joined Joe McGinniss, Janet Cooke, and Stephen Glass in the pantheon of writers who fake their research and then write false articles for money. Amazingly, in a case that is unusually well-documented in court documents, Freedom of Information Act releases, and sworn witness statements, Anson was peculiarly unable to utilize those resources for facts. Instead, he was quick to seize, and even enlarge upon, tired old myths about my case, almost all of which have originated from prosecution sources or Joe McGinniss's pen, and which have been disproved time and again. (While Anson was writing his pathetic litany of falsehoods and innuendo, the Vanity Fair fact checkers were seriously inquiring about the make of the car in a photograph).

Anson had a chance to do a real investigative piece. Too bad for the truth that he chose that pathetic low road, the gossip highway, the pat-the-nice-government-prosecuter-on-the-back-and-collect-the-check style of hack writing. Shame on him.

Oh, and, Mr. Anson, one more thing: when you fake research, perhaps you should learn what your role model, Joe McGinniss (or was it Clifford Irving?), already learned - you need to get at least something correct, or everyone will know. My eyes are hazel - not your mythical "ice blue". Or perhaps you knew, but liked blue better for your fanciful version of the facts."

I've seen interviews and photos of MacDonald where his eyes indeed seem to be "ice blue." At any rate, this is just another example of what an utter piece of shit Jeffrey MacDonald is.

[quote] There was a coffee table laying on it's side (suggesting it had been knocked over in a struggle) but no matter what the cops did they could not get it to go into that position.

My gut feeling is that McDonald did murder his family. However, I am highly suspect of cops doing this kind of experiment and trying to reverse-engineer it.

R47, the table detail is peripheral, no one was getting arrested on the basis of something like that. The other physical evidence was extremely convincing.

The prosecution was damn lucky that the police didn't throw out the pajama top along with the bottoms. It was probably their most important piece of evidence.

Why on earth would he not have moved to a country without an extradition treaty? He had many opportunities to do so. He could’ve gone after the military dropped the charges, which was a period of several years. He had another chance after his conviction was briefly overturned and he was released from prison. Why the hell would you stay on the country?

R50 Hubris

Why would he stay in this country? Well, after his family were murdered he lit out for California where he proceeded to live the life of a rich, swinging, bachelor doctor. It was intoxicating to him, a life of sex and money and freedom from annoying things like a wife and children. He loved the California lifestyle. That's one reason why he stayed. He also believed, being a pathological narcissist, that he could get away with it. His ego and desire for the good life (lots of money, lots of pussy) did him in.

Here he is with Larry King in 2003, repeating the story for the 500,000th time. Lots of twitching, blinking, and fidgeting. You’d think after all this time, he’d be able to tell it with convincing body language.

His performance on the Dick Cavett show was chilling. All he did was complain about how badly the Army treated him and how incompetent they were. And he cracked jokes. When talking about he and wife wife watching "a late night talk show (on the last night of her life)" he got an amused smile on his face (they were watching Johnny Carson, not Dick Cavett). After being criticized for being on the show, he said it was all his father in law's fault; HE was the one who wanted him to go on the show. Fred Kassab DID want him to go on the show...to ask for the public's help in finding the killers. But all MacDonald did was promote himself and try to be an amusing talk show guest. Looking at the show today, it's clear he's a psychopath.

OP is a sick sad queen who can only masturbate to the thought of serial-killing straight men murdering him. We hope he finds his fantasy come true, and soon.

Irregardless, he’s been in prison far too long. Like 40 years or something. It’s enough. I don’t believe in keeping people in prison that long.

No prison term is "too long" for the savage murder of a pregnant woman, a little girl, and a baby. He should have gotten the death penalty.

He’s an old man, albeit a very attractive one. What’s the harm in letting him live out his remaining years in freedom? This episode happened 50 years ago. Probably no one else who knew them is even still alive. Time to let it go and move on.

R58 is ready for some deadly daddy dick action. Doesn't care how old.

R58 is a dullard troll, desperately hoping to enrage Dataloungers by insisting Jeffrey MacDonald is "very attractive (oh, brother)" and dismissing his crimes: "let it go and move on." Poor troll.

To me people like Geoffrey McDonald are worst than terrorists. At least they have principles, and have been indoctrinated to see their principles as normalcy. McDonald has no principles except that a nagging wife, and two toddler babies got in his way of doing whatever the fuck he wanted. What a nightmare. He went "OJ" on two baby girls. Sad.

I don’t understand the need for name-calling. Look, the man has been in prison longer than he was out of it. I just think that we have to move on. None of you people even knew the wife and daughters, so I don’t see what you’re so indignant about.

They are dead. Nothing anyone can do about that. But we can let a poor old man enjoy the last 5-10 years of his life after being locked up for decades. Life is for the living.

He can murder my mussy anytime!

Yawn, R62. That's C- level trolling at best.

[quote] Why the hell would you stay on the country?

Hey, Jeffrey Epstein was a free man while he stayed out of America. Why did he come back?

They never think their luck will run out.

Drop dead, R64. I’m not a fucking troll. Why don’t you go get fucked with a rusty ice pick?

Indeed R66, you ARE a truly pathetic troll, trilling on about poor Jeffrey MacDonald and how he needs to get out of prison and how it all happened so long ago so why get upset about it, just let the poor, dear man be free to live his life. Give it a rest, you poor thing.

I interviewed the judge in the case back in the 90s for a college class. I asked him about the case, and he seemed very sure they got it right, but what else was he going to say?

Everybody who listened to the evidence in the courtroom knew they "got it right." The evidence proved his guilt. It was really that simple.

The judge wouldn't have let you interview him if there was anything wrong about the case.

I think the wife let one of the girls piss the parents’ bed all time. Very disrespectful to the husband and it sounds like he had enough of it.

Wow, a certain poster has taken trolling to the next level. Quite sad.

MacDonald and Ted Bundy can admire each other in hell, while debating who is a more hard core sociopath.

Handsome sociopaths are more efficient murderers cause they iz so good-looking

[quote]despite being promiscuous, he had a deep seated hatred of women

This is outrages. Poor womem.

Dick Cavett later said that during the interview he realized MacDonald was guilty.

Cavett said MacDonald's "affect" was all wrong, which it was. HEre he was, on a talk show, ostensibly to ask for help from the viewing public in finding the killers (that's why Fred Kassab wanted him to go on the show) and all he does is put down the army and crack jokes and act like HE was the wronged one. He showed not one iota of grief for his murdered family. None whatsoever.

You better stop calling me a fucking troll, R72. Can’t you try and see it from a husband’s point of view? She totally emasculated him by allowing a little girl to piss on his side of the bed, so he had to go out and sleep on the couch. She probably encouraged the girl to do it.

You're as fucking evil and the psycho murderer MacDonald, troll r77

Chris Watts is the version of Jeff MacDonald!!!

R78 sounds like an angry, man-hating lesbian.

"Irregardless"?

You grammar trolls are going to just let that one slide? Not even an "oh dear"? *LOL*

Jeff MacDonald is up for parole in about five months (May 2020)........

He can come live with me! I bet he throws a mean fuck!

r81 Irregardless is a word you pretentious cunt.

"Jeff MacDonald is up for parole in about five months (May 2020)........"

He won't be getting out on parole. In order to get parole you have to express remorse for your crimes. He says he never committed the crimes. No remorse there. So parole is not an option for him. All he's been doing over the years is try to get "new evidence" introduced and get a new trial. But he's had no luck with that because there is NO "new evidence" that would show someone else committed the murders and there's no point in a new trial because there is no reason to have one. He won't be fucking his retarded wife any time soon.

Irregardless is NOT a word

OP likes vintage caged meat

Isn’t he divoon?!

I was part of the acid/hippie life way back then and I can tell you that NO ONE ever said things like "acid is groovy." Groovy was a word invented by teeny-booper singers and never, ever, entered the lingo of the guys this psycho wanted to pretend killed his wife.

R86, yes it is. And it means the some thing as regardless, usually for more pronounced effect. Look it up you dumb bitch.

Fayetteville NC Observer, the newspaper in the town where it happened, has done a solid 50th Anniversary retrospective with photos, memories, editorial and more of the longest running court case in American history.