Victoria Rowell

She was one of the best parts of Y&R. It hasn't been the same since she left. I'd rather have Dru on than Victor.

I don't get the primacy of Victor. That they continue to let the show revolve around him is one of the most egregious instances of "We do it this way because we've always done it this way" in TV history.

And it's not even true, really. They haven't "*always* done it this way." The Newmans and the Abbots were both new characters at one time. There's no reason they can't be replaced now, when the show so sorely needs something new.

And JFP, I'd've thought would be just the EP to do it. Instead, we have a brand new penthouse for Victor. He ain't goin' nowhere.

Victoria really was one of the best things about YnR. She owned every scene she was in.

I agree. She was the best part of Y&R along with the wonderful Tricia Cast. But the cast hated her and her antics so much, they had to get rid of her.

She looks great these days. This is her at the SAG Awards last week

She played a judge on SVU the other night. Gay episode, too.

Loved Victoria on Y&R. Tricia Cast, too. And Kimberlin Brown.

Here's a great scene with Dru and Liv (the amazing Tonya Lee Williams)

The entire cast thinks she's beyond batshit crazy. The biracial chick who plays her daugther threatened to quick after hearing rumors that JFP wanted to bring Vicki back. Scieno Stafford, Bergman, and Melody Scott, who have a lot of pull, hates the bitch's guts and would quit en masse if Vicki came back. She's insane.

That is saying a lot for that set R7. It is one of the most dysfunctional sets ever.

I hardly watched Y&R so can someone explain what happened with Victoria Rowell and why people say she is crazy?

On another board someone suggested that Y&R needs to fire all the newbies and hire a full-time mediator to keep the cast from each other's throats. This was at the end of the horrid MAB era, when the news that Stafford got the actor who plays (played) Murphy cut down to bi-monthly appearances, if that, because he left Scientology. And then there's the fact that Bergman and Braeden don't really like each other, and Scott and Braeden don't like each other, and on and on.

Jeanne Cooper and Melody Thomas Scott barely speak either. Lots of hard feelings on Cooper's part when Scott used to let one and all know that she queen of the manor when her husband was producing the show.

Stafford is apparently angry that she's been backburnered. When asked about this in a joint interview, Josh Griffith and JFP stumbled over each other trying offer good spin. JFP said that they have a wonderful story ahead that will have Phyllis driving story, while Griffith essentially said that she has good story now with Jack.

And there's that arrogant prick Michael Muhney who loathes Braeden (the feeling is mutual) and cut a bitch via twitter when old lady Cooper made some negative comments recently about the new young cast members.

Who the FUCK is Stafford..the new show-runner? Despite the fact that Phyllis drugged/killed the geek doctor and buried him with reformed perv Kevin, neither character has gotten their come-uppance yet. The show absolutely sucks shit now. They need to marry off Phyllis to Nick and send them both into the sunset or to "TB&TB". Avery does nothing and Fen needs to shit or get off the pot--in other words REALLY show you are the son of Michael circa 1992 and ramp up the crazy. Lilly, her new beau, Cain and Chelsea are doing *nothing*. The show needs to be purged off dormant characters and replaced with new blood

It's sad and shocking that even "TB&B" is getting better than this. They seem to getting off the Liam/hope/Steffi fickery and going with the new and interesting Rick/Caroline/Maya triangle. Caroline has been a really NASTY bitch at poor Maya since the found out. I hope TPTB won't shy away at teh obvious class *and* racial conflicts at the core of this. Dayzee seems to becoming a rather mercenary bitch herself. Let's hope the writers actually "go there' and deal with race as easily as "Days" has dealt with sexuality.

[quote]Scott and Braeden don't like each other

Really? Tell more.

I never liked Melody Thomas Scott.

R13, they all hate each other. It is awful over there, and they're getting exactly what they deserve by having JFP as their new showrunner. Imagine the worst of high school and that is the YR set. VR was batshit crazy, but no more batshit than the rest of them.

R15 Thank you for that. I've always suspected that the rest of them were no more innocent than VR. They all seem to think they're better than they actually are. They should be thanking their lucky stars that they still have jobs considering soaps are fading out of popularity at light speed.

What did Michael Muhney say about Jeanne Cooper on Twitter?

r17, in an interview last week, Granny Cooper essentially said that the young actors lack training and come to the set unprepared. She apparently got a lot of flack for that. Muhney went on twitter the next day saying something to the effect that all the young actors are terrific and that "certain people" (obviously referring to the old broad) should keep their mouths shut. It must be holy hell going to work there. I don't think there's ever been such a cast with such internal loathing and obvious cliques.

R18--it sounds like not sitting at the right table in the high school cafeteria. It's all so childish.

That was after Muhney got into a fight with Eric Braeden on Twitter, too.

He has a point there, though. I don't understand Braeden's popularity. He's one of the worst actors who ever lived (almost as bad as Ronn Moss) and he's as ugly as a cat's pinched ass.

And yet everyone seems to think he "is" Y&R.

Michael Muhney stands out because he won't take their shit and has no problem calling the big troublemakers out. YR has a specific way of doing their in show Emmy nominations. If you are outside of the popular kid clique, you won't even be considered. He blew the process wide open and people didn't speak to him.

There was a great twitter war last year between Muhney/Braeden/Case when Sharon and Victor were paired. Case hated the pairing and hated working with Braeden. She went on twitter trashing the coupling. Braeden went on the defensive and tweeted that she was being unprofessional. Then Muhney, who is BFF's with Case, began tweeting negative stuff about Braeden, essentially saying he should just keep his mouth shut and show some respect. Then a few months later, Morrow got into hot water when he publicly stated he prefers working with Stafford over Case and that he hopes they never re-pair Nick and Sharon. What a set!

So who are the cliques? I know Sharon Case is BFFs with Michael Muhney and Melody Thomas Scott. Josh Morrow, Michelle Stafford, Chrissy LeBlanc, Greg Riekert and Tracey Bregman comprise another clique. Who else?

They need to fire all those old whores and bring ME back!

Whether they like it or not, the return of Victoria Rowell as Drucilla Winters would be a serious ratings hike. JFP is certainly capable of telling the VR haters to suck it up or don't let the door hit them if they really do want to leave upon her return. VR does have one major player on her side and that's Eric Braeden. He loved working with her.

I caught Braeden on an old Kojak episode the other week. (and)Susan Sullivan (as Maggie) played his wife, who was trying to kill him. She was terrific. His performance, on the other hand, was just as mannered, hammy, and affected as it is now.

One clique went en masse to Sony and CBS to show their solidarity that VR never be allowed to return.

Everyone at Veronica Mars hates Muhney too.

[quote]So who are the cliques? I know Sharon Case is BFFs with Michael Muhney and Melody Thomas Scott. Josh Morrow, Michelle Stafford, Chrissy LeBlanc, Greg Riekert and Tracey Bregman comprise another clique. Who else?

I think the old asses Eric Braeden and Jeanne Cooper, as well as Jess Walton have their own clique.

Poor Doug Davidson. Everyone likes him and he seems to be the nicest guy in the world, but he gets no play. I'm shocked that JFP hasn't bumped him to recurring or fired him yet?

Is Jess Walton even still with the show? JFP lured her back with the promise of a big short-term story, but nothing ever came of it. I could watch Jess and Jeanne go at it for an hour rather than watch a minute of the newbies. Making her Lauren's sister was ridiculous.

[quote]Poor Doug Davidson. Everyone likes him and he seems to be the nicest guy in the world, but he gets no play.

Isn't that the way it always goes in Hollywood? The nicer you are, the more you get treated like shit?

EB and VR are very unpopular with the other cliques, which explains why they like each other. Supposedly Sony has focus group data suggesting that viewers like Victor, which is why they keep him around (though he took a big pay cut last contract).

MTS has glommed onto Josh Morrow; she had been lady of the manor when Ed Scott produced there, and she was quite adrift when he decamped. For a while now Bergman and Stafford have ruled that show, and JFP has put that under strain (Bergman benefits greatly from their vision, Stafford does not). MM and SC are each other's biggest cheerleaders, and Chrissy and Greg are both big-time supporters of Stafford (and vice versa). Now that MCE and Jessica Collins have began their ascent to leading lady status, it will be "interesting" to see how the factions deal. MM would be wise to hitch himself to MCE, as Billy Miller is trying to do.

What will also be fascinating fallout is the new Kyle situation. They were clearly headed for a Kyle-Phyllis hookup (which Stafford supposedly loathed); the recast would suggest they are either listening to Stafford (by getting rid of this older Kyle) or throwing her under the bus worse (by setting up a more appropriate Summer-Kyle relationship, only to have it thwarted by old school Y&R incest when they reveal Summer to be Jack's, which Stafford has opposed for years). Stafford would be wise to go to JFP immediately and demand to be paired with Steve Burton--he may not be the most emotive actor, but he sparked best with her of his recent chem tests, and she certainly has experience with a block of wood (Morrow).

[quote]And it's not even true, really. They haven't "*always* done it this way." The Newmans and the Abbots were both new characters at one time. There's no reason they can't be replaced now, when the show so sorely needs something new.

Yeah, back in the early-80s, Bell completely rebooted Y&R by writing out the Brooks and Pentisses and shifting the focus to the Newmans and Abbots. Victor Newman's story has been told. He just had his FOURTH wedding to Nikki. It's time for him to fade into the background.

I agree with you R25. Victoria Rowell is no bigger pain than several others. Eric Braden is a primo pain in the ass but the biggest one is Michelle Stafford. She seemed to be fine with the pairing of Phyllis and Dru (not romantically) at first, and so did the audience. But then Michelle got pissed because she couldn't rein over the Dru character. They are just to similar. Michelle was fine until Victoria started stealing some of her thunder. Michelle wants to be the only "Phyllis type-Dru type" on the show and she raised a fit. She also hated Maura West coming on and sabatoged (SP?) her chance with the show. She has done it with others too. And yes as someone stated she was pissed that the "Murphy" actor left Sciweird. MS had ALOT of pull during the last 2 years of MAB's rein. I think JFP is one EP who won't let her get away with it anymore. MS really is out of control. Funny how Michelle bitches about being on the BB (for once!) but she sure didn't care about the people she's had thrown under the buss. Karma is a bitch babe.

R33 Michael Muhney does not need MCE at all. That pairing was a bore. It was the only time I wanted to FF Adam. He needs to be free of that mess. I'd like to see MCE go to AMC she is not needed on Y&R at all.

Also MTS an EB have an up and down relationship. They are getting along right now because MTS sided with EB during the MM twitter thing. I think with them, Melody likes the pairing of Victor and Nikki more that EB does. But EB does see how important it is.

Is Kristoff St. John still on the show?

R35, you made some excellent points.

All this stuff -- the dynamics, the cliques, the karma -- is great material.

It's a shame that no one seems capable of bringing these dynamics to the screen.

I remember when Victor and Jack could walk into the room and the tensions would explode.

Who are we rooting for? What are we waiting to see happen? Why is anyone tuning in tomorrow?

Morrow and Muhney are very close - like real brothers.

Are Lauralee Bell and Tricia Cast BFF in real life?

Michael Muhney is one of the few exciting things about the current Y&R.

There is so much dead weight there. Lauren and Michael needed to go ages ago (and Kevin, Gloria et al with them). Instead they axed Ashley and Abby.

Jess Walton is all but off the show now, which is a real shame.

Michelle Stafford is being smacked down right now with the new character of Avery, her sister. Jessica Collins is clearly getting a lot of favoritism from the powers that be and it's driving Stafford mad.

Stafford and Case have allegedly approached people about Scientology, which didn't exactly endear them to anyone.

For whatever controversy she's caused, Vicky Rowell is immensely popular with the audience and should be back on Y&R.

My first thought of R41 was: Michael Muhney.

I read an article that said a significant portion of YR's audience was black and the majority of them left when VR and Shemar Moore left the show. The article said something like YR lost 2 million viewers just from those two exits.

R41, I don't think SC is into scientology anymore. If she is she isn't an annoying cheerleader about it like MS is. I have no idea why a soap actress would be so in to that shit. I'm sure she makes good money but not scientology type money.

Supposedly MS actually believes in Scientology. To clarify, she believes the tenets of it as a religion, and is not using it as a celebrity network to plumb.

I really dislike how Leblanc nominates himself every year for an Emmy whether he has the material or not. He has 3 Emmys I think. Doug Davidson has been on 30 years, is an excellent actor, and doesn't have 1. I've read and listened to interviews Leblanc has given on the subject and he always comes off sounding greedy.

He and Stafford are another incredibly close pair.

Is this about the actress Victorial Rowell? The black actress? I just wanted to post that her blonde daughter IS adopted. Supposedly it's in her book that she wrote.

R45, You are right about MS being a BIG backer of scientology. But she also pushes it wherever she can. I guess they all do but MS goes overboard. I guess her enthusiasm is good for the "religion" but I will never understand it. But hey it's her life.

Is the dislike for VR by the cast a racial thing or is she just an unpleasant person?

VR, Tricia Cast and Kimberlein Brown should all come back. Ratings gold.

Cooper, Breaden, Walton, the Jack, Lauren and especially Nikki characters are all well past their sell date. They had a good run, now develop some of the new characters, love interests and family.

And no more stunt casting. Weave a long term story centered on characters like Bill Bell did. The soap medium has quite a bit of life left in it.

When Bill Bell stepped down as head writer in 1998, the show went to shit within the next few years, and I quit watching by the end of 2000. This show became basically nothing without him.

The show's decline began after both writer Kay Alden and producer Ed Scott were let go. The show has never recovered to the level it was.

Does anyone know any background on MS?

R52, ev3ryone: hello?!?!? WHen is ONE of you going to mention that MS pings to the high heaveN!!?? Adopted(or in vitro? forget...) baby, including. Puleezeeeeee - that is dyke delight.

It is amazing what you people do not know about the show. I worked on it from 1994 -2009 behind the scenes.

Truth - Eric Braeden is not well liked by the cast, he and Begman got into the well documented fight at the studio

Most of the rest you people talk about is Pure garbage. Melody is very well liked, never paraded around like the queen bee when Ed was the EP.

Same goes for Victoria Rowell. She was ambitious, but hell she did Y&R and primetime at the same time. She left due to salary dispute nothing more and she was not hated at all. Her and Kristoff got along famously. I think she thought she would be more famous than she is but other than that not crazy bitch at all.

Kimberlin Brown on the other hand.....she was bad news. She did some awful behinds the scenes shit including testifying against Hunter Tylo in her divorce from Michael Tylo.

Jeanne Cooper is a fucking absolute doll. The most down to earth person you will ever meet and she has not one bad thing to say about Melody or Jess or anyone.

Michelle Stafford is very very nice...scary nice but does not shove scientology down anyone's throat.

Trica Cast - fucking amazing chick. She married the music guy from the show, jack allocco but they got divorced in 2000.

You are right the show lost it's story telling magic when they lost Bill Bell. Maria Arena was nothing close she got it because of her husband BB Jr. Kay Alden should be the head writer she knows how to write Like Bill. JFP should not be EP - Ed Scott should. He was EP longest under Bill Bell. He knows how to pace a show like Bill did.

r54, hon, Granny Cooper has gone on record saying that her relationship with Melody degenerated over the years because of Melody's queen bee attitude when her hub was EP. Whether that was real or perceived on Jeanne's part, who the hell knows, but it did cause a major wedge between them.

Sorry R54. I don't buy half of what you wrote. No way in hell. Especially about MS. Are you trying to say that she isn't a diva behind the scenes? I have made several posts on this thread and I stand behind all of them.

Count me as one of the ones not falling for R54 - there's so many contradictions from what cast members THEMSELVES have said about others on the show.

WTH is wrong with JFP? She has gone and hired 2 more actors from Hollywood Heights.

She has lost her mind unless one of them is Grayson McCouch. Why is almost all her casting coming from that one now canceled show?

Hire some real soap actors as opposed to these nobodies who suck.

Cooper wrote about her icy relationship with MTS in her book. Michael Muhney tells the story about what happened to him when he mistakenly parked in MTS's parking space when he was new to the show.

R54, I wonder whether, when CBS decides to fire Jill for not returning the show to its 1980s ratings glory, they might turn to Ed and Kay and Janice Ferri for one last shot.

R54, you make some good points, but I'm not sure how well liked MTS is.

Actors are nominated for Emmys by their peers and Melody has only received one nomination in all her years on the show. She's certainly talented enough.

Also, I don't think it's fair to say two people got into a fight when one person attacks the other and the other has to fight to defend himself.

R54, did you even read the thread, or what Y&R actors themselves have been saying about the show for the last twenty years?

For instance, saying that VR left because of money only is ludicrous--there was both a cabal against her AND she wanted to write her episodes. Both of those facts have been confirmed by multiple sources.

VR wanted to leave to do her book tour and thought she could come back when she wanted.

This coincided with her speaking out about the lack of black writers and other personnel behind the scenes at Y&R.

If they're going to keep other divas on that show, then they should have Rowell back.

She's on-screen magic.

Kimberlin Brown is LOVED by the cast and crew actually. True, there are issues with Hunter Tylo but that's between them. Kimberlin is very close friends with Victoria Rowell and Tonya Lee Williams, the Barber sisters. If they brought all three back, the ratings would skyrocket.

and how about Nina Aversen, the beautiful Cassandra? That's one character who deserves to rise from the grave.

I always thought it was asinine and retarded to bring Maura West on to play 50 something Diane Jenkins. Maura is the same age as Sharon Case, which means she should surely have been playing Grace Turner instead, a role left wide open since Jennifer Garies is on B&B.

Let's be honest though, all the people raving about Muhney prove how lacklustre this show actually has become in terms of acting prowess. He's capable but not outstanding. If they brought back Heather Tom as Victoria Newman she'd chew him up and spit him out. Look at what they've done to Victoria Newman since 2005 using that "Loving" actress - they have totally feminized her. Victoria was Stephanie Forrester pedigree, an absolute force of nature once upon a time. Now... god. All we hear is Michelle Stafford's Phyllis screaming every line. Let's get back Rowell, Brown, Tom, Cast and the heavy hitters RIGHT NOW.

They would never bring Rowell back. She's a polarizing figure. Half the cast would quit in protest, which, come to think of it, might not be a terrible thing.

Nikki's MS and Katherine's forgetfulness are borrriiing. Get rid of Lily and Cane, bring back Dru and Sheila.

Even though the fans hated MAB, I did love the character of Sabrina played by Raya Maedine + art gallery story line ( she was Victoria's best friend from art school) She and Victor visited the street lamp installation at LACMA, he proposed to her with a ring inside a Jeff Koons egg etc...

Does anyone remember the re-write of Brad Carlton? He had a fake identity since his family had to hide from the Nazi's and they were trying to get back art that was stolen from the family during WWII.

Sheila Carter - soap opera gay icon!

R63 I would very definitely watch Y&R again if they brought back Victoria Rowell.

R66, if there is a more one-note (pinched sphinchter) actress in existence than Heather Tom, I am unable to think of her name. Even if VR brought me back, I think I would stop watching if they brought her back.

R69 Dear God in Heaven, Sheila Carter isn't a "gay" anything. She's the most repulsive character ever brought to television. Clearly, if Y&R brings back VR, HT, and KB, I will have to be very selective about my viewing.

Victoria and Sheila kept me from watching Y&R for years.

And by "Victoria" in the last sentence of R70, I mean the character "Victoria Newman."

Kimberlin is a one-trick pony. She can only play Sheila. She was awful on Port Charles.

Did she get to do her hair-curtain back-and-forth wave on Port Charles, R72. That was her one and only trick.

What do you mean she can ONLY PLAY Sheila? Sheila is a woman of many facets, as this clip demonstrates.

Sorry, wrong clip

They should bring back the character of Patty Williams/Dr. Emily Peterson played by Stacey Haiduk, she is really good!

R69, R75, and R74, you can't *possibly* imagine I'm going to look at clips of that hairswinging monster bitchcunt from hell, Sheila.

Oh, you've made me laugh my ass off. Now I have to go chase it down the street.

Are you people for real?

Is this a parody thread??

Her blonde daughter is not adopted. Our sons went to school together, she was very nice, available and involved in her kids lives. Approachable too, always had a smile. We could count on her for school functions, so it's funny to hear she was so crazy at work.

R79, I think a major takeaway from this thread is that she wasn't crazy at work--her work was CrAzY and it may have rubbed off on her to some degree.

Y&R has gone way overboard on the crazy. They don't need Sheila part 22. That character and story have been DONE. TO. DEATH.

They don't need Patty, take 12. That also has been done to death.

No Sheila, or Patty, or Daisy, or any other nutsy psycho bitch for at least two or three years. They relied on it way too much.

They haven't done a good doppleganger story in a couple of months. They're overdue for one.

Maura West was treated like dog shit by MS and EB. Wouldn't speak to her or run lines with her. MAB also hated the character because the actress was forced on her by CBS. Didn't even invite her to YR holiday party. It was awful. Adults shouldn't act like that.

Read an Eva Longoria interview when they were doing the Devious Maids pilot. She mentioned watching Susan Lucci do her scene and how friendly she was. She said that had not been her previous experience with daytime soap stars during her time at Y&R. Granted she might have just been sucking up to the boss, but it does seem like you hear more stories about the Y&R set not being a friendly place.

Are they ever going to recast Paul's daughter Heather with a hot blond instead of the baby dykes.

R83 ooooh...gossip! More please!

I had no idea that hiring Maura there was a CBS move. (An admittedly bad one. She would have been better at B&B, quite frankly.)

R86, Yes MAB did not like being told to hire MW. Poor Maura. She also had MS refusing to work with her. I didn't know about MTS and EB but I believe it. That girl never stood a chance. She was set up to fail.

All these acronyms are giving me a headache.

I love Y&R, but I'm convinced that Michelle Stafford and Melody Thomas Scott are a bunch of shit-stirring megabitches who thrive on conflict. The stories of the fights they'd pick with Victoria and other actresses are legendary. Why do you think that so many female fan favorites never make it for any length of time? Nina, Sheila, Drucilla, Ashley, Olivia, Heather #2, Patty #2, Diane #2 and so many others have had their characters completely wrecked...meanwhile, Phyllis and Nikki are shoved down viewers' throats (along with Sharon).

Does anyone know if the woman who plays Victoria is part of the Michelle Stafford/Melody Thomas Scott clique? She's...okay...but the fact that she's made it this long seems to indicate that she's willing to go along to get along.

PS: Doug Davison is soooo hot. I was watching the 40th Anniversary episode that began with a highlight reel of Paul, and Doug was hot, gracious, and just seemed like a really great guy. I'm hoping he gets an Emmy this year for the storyline related to Paul shooting Ricky.

I've also been enjoying the actress who plays Leslie (although I initially thought she was Jennifer Hudson!).

Amelia Heinle goes along to get along and is not seen as a threat. Only actresses that they deem threats are treated poorly. This is the same reason why Steve Burton is getting a pass, they don't consider him a threat - yet. It also probably helps that Burton is JFP's boy and is tight with Steve Kent.

[quote]I'm convinced that Michelle Stafford and Melody Thomas Scott are a bunch of shit-stirring megabitches who thrive on conflict.

I bet it drives them crazy that Eva Longoria and Shemar Moore were able to eventually move on to hit evening shows while they're still stuck on shitty soaps after all these years.

Have Greg and Chrissy Jules ever hooked up, or are they more like brothers in real life?

Keeping willowy Amelia Heinle who got her start as a classic damaged Aggie Nixon ingenue on Loving seems like a Sony thing. In their and Barbara Bloom's endless quest to become more like ABC. Brad Bell has Heather Tom locked down but I think JFP would welcome her back - Tom's Victoria is a lot like JFP. the current version doesn't work.

VR is needed at YR but she is insane. She did a 3 day twitter rampage demanding fans boycott all advertised sponsors (which she named) and called Steve Kent a bigot.

Stafford doesn't know how good she has it. Her reunion with Jack is great and I can stand to watch her again. Reopening Summer's paternity as she goes for Kyle would be amazing story. They better do it.

Burton will be chewed up and spat out. But Muhney, while talented is an egomaniac drama queen. Reminds me of George Reinholt on Another World. Magnetic but a relentlessly disruptive shit stirrer.

R94,I see MM as more of a take no shit kind of guy than a shit stirrer. I don't have any inside on him though. I guess anything is possible when your talking about actors.

I agree with you that MS doesn't know how good she's got it. She's lucky to still be employed.

R94, I really don't like watching Burton's talentless ass, so I wouldn't mind if the GC Mean Girls deaded him, but I think you underestimate JFP. Girl is a C-U-N-T. And she LOVES Burton. If MS/MTS go up against him I could see Nikki having a flareup and losing the power of speech while Phyllis becomes HIV positive after a one-night stand--if she doesn't just fire their asses.

Steve Burton isn't as bad as I was expecting.

MTS's husband isn't a producer at the show anymore, is he? If not, I bet she can't get away with as much diva shit as she used to in the past.

R96, I would LOVE if that happened!

Who is Steve Kent ?

again amazing what you don't know-

Let's see - there are no parking spaces assigned at television city or at least there were not up to 2009.

As far as Melody Thomas Scott there was a period where she did not talk to anyone one set. Jeanne and her are long since over it. Same goes for Ed Scott, he would spend time (Jeanne says hours but I don't think anyone spent hours on lighting..lol if you saw the shooting schedule) on lighting Melody. Again way in the past and both are over it.

Victoria Rowell is ambitious. When she got the Eddie Murphy Movie, and then the prime time tv, she thought she was headed for big times. She wanted more money to stay, her schedule became impossible and it was decided to let her go. Is she a diva? Yeah. Did everyone hate her? no.

Kimberlin Brown. Saying the whole cast loved her shows how much you do not know. When she first got on Y&R she buddied up to Tonya Lee Williams. As soon as she got the baby storyline she dropped Tonya as a friend. You want to know how much she is liked? Ask Tracy Recht, Ask Peter Barton, Ask Hunter Tylo, ask anyone who worked with her on and off camera. She would pit people against each other. She would start rumors and gossip. She would pry information from people. She thought she was the next Melody Thomas Scott.

Look if you really knew how things ran on Y&R behind the scenes you would be disappointed. There is hardly as much drama and truth to what is spilled here. Some actors are dissapointed when they get cast and don't walk in being treated like a big deal and have negative things to say. If you are new and someone has been there for 20 years, yeah that 20 year person is going to appear to treated differently by the crew. They paid their dues, they know everyone. People will leave and say "oh so and so was a diva, they pushed me out," Truth be told if you click, have the chops and are well liked by the audience, you are staying. If you just don't mesh, or grow a bigger head than what you really are you are going,

And yes the ratings for Y&R for AA audiences is sky high, always has been Nothing to do with race on the show. Generations was never as popular with AA audiences and that show was all black.

[quote]Let's see - there are no parking spaces assigned at television city or at least there were not up to 2009.

How could you claim to be an insider and not know that?

Generations was all black? Uhhh, hello, how about Kelly Rutherford? She was one of the most popular cast members on that show.

r101, you are such a shit stirring liar!

it's too bad they can't get all these dynamics captured on screen.

R105's response doesn't even really respond to what we're talking about here--which is the infighting between and amongst old-school veterans and their cliques. I do buy that MTS and Jeanne Cooper are over it, though. Cooper gave MTS a shout out in her little episode intro that wasn't really necessary--unless she was fucking with her.

Who on the cast is a heavy drinker?

I'd guess Peter Bregman (Jack) R107. His entire face is red, not just his nose. I guess not even heavy, television pancake make-up can cover it.

I wondered whether Sharon Case drank.

Sharon Case has the bloated face of a drunk.

I always thought it was bulimia, R110.

I quite like Case as an actress, so I'm not saying this in a mean way: She had her tits touched up about 18 months ago. Slightly bigger implant and a lift. They're like torpedoes.

Are you sure? R112 It's difficult to distinguish subtle changes in implants with changes associated with weight and aging.

I mean...they look perkier. A LOT perkier. And larger. Isn't that pretty much the opposite of what happens with age?

So what is the deal with Victoria Rowell? This thread about her does not really have much to do about her.

she has a blond hair blue eyed white daughter.

So what more is there to say about her. She was a raging pain in the ass, they cut her loose. End of story. She's the one who keeps squawking about it all.

Move on sweetie, it's over.

R117 I only know her from Diagnosis Murder and I read her book. Is she a raging bitch? I sort of had an issue with a comment she made in her book. Which I found out of character for the sort of person she claimed to be.

Rowell's relentless hunting of Y&R about diversity did get them to add some blacktresses and blacktors, though it took the arrival of JFP to get them on the front burner. So, props to her for that.

R47 Go fuck yourself saying Victoria wrote that her daughter was adopted in her book. Victoria is half white and her husband (at the time) is white so her daughter is 3/4 white. It's not impossible and not as infrequent as you think.

I loved Dru, loved her friendship with Sharon and hated how her last year was. They wrote terribly for Dru that final year.

MCE is a mediocre actress, no chemistry with MM or anyone else. MCE, surprised it's not mentioned more often, is engaged to a CBS executive hence her major airtime and how she's in various storylines, getting airtime with actors who play legacy characters. She's also friends with JFP. Mousy looking woman, looks like she has herpes on her mouth, Cindy Crawford mole you are not!

The show sucks. Dru's return would make a huge impact. Love her or hate her, Dru was very popular and still is. I don't see it happening, I think the ratings would have to be very low for them to even consider it.

Victoria was a foster child but she still managed to thrive and is a spokesperson for foster parenting. She studied ballet seriously at well-renowned places. She also modeled professionally.

It's hard to believe she managed to shoot Y&R and Diagnosis Murder for years. She's a wonderful success story in spite of her sometimes diva behavior. I think she exaggerates but I do not doubt that she experienced prejudice at Y&R.

It's amazing that the infamous spit take still gets talked about.

ha i dot jast fuck her in go on

Who is MCE???

[quote]I mean...they look perkier. A LOT perkier. And larger. Isn't that pretty much the opposite of what happens with age?

Miracles do happen.

MCE = Melissa Claire Egan (Chelsea)

I hate her (one-note) character. All she does is be indecisive and have babies/miscarriages.

She really did herself in by going after Sony and CBS. It's not her former co-stars who are blocking her return (even though they don't want her back) -- it's the head of CBS (Les Moonves) and Sony VP (Steve Kent)!

What does Carmine see in Lauren?

Carmine's a plot point to get Lauren a storyline. She's the scarlet woman character, especially now Phyllis seems to have become a saint.

I would love to see Dru back on y&r after living with wolves all these years.

How about Dru turning up on The Bold & the Beautiful as an amnesiac seamstress at Forrester Creations named Cilla LOLOLOL

How could she come back? The character is dead.

It doesn't make sense for these older actresses to still be at war with each other. Now that they've all gone through menopause, you'd think their overwhelming biological desire for me (and thus their competition with each other) would have dissipated.

Silly females.

R130, Dru's presumed to be dead. And even if she had "died" that wouldn't stop Y&R from bringing her back. On soaps, dead characters very rarely stay dead.

Victoria Rowell is about the only thing that could save this show from completely drowning. Every scene with her was an event.

Dru confronts her brother-in-law's mistress:

Dru and Heather Tom's Victoria size each other down:

That clip at R134 was excellent.

The Young and the Restless Jeanne Cooper Hospitalized

R135 _ Heather Tom was the only credible Victoria

R138 Heather Tom played Victoria as a nasty bitch with a pinched sphincter, eternally breathing in Limberger cheese that was just off-camera. She was one of the reasons I could not watch the show for many years.

I agree, R138. Amelia Heinle hasn't come close.

With Cooper never returning I think Katharine should be killed off. Victoria Rowell should be Dru again. And Heather Tom should dump B&B and take on the role of Victoria again.

"With Cooper never returning"

Did she die?

Thanks, R133, 134, 135. How could they get rid of Victoria Rowell?

Easy - they killed off Aunt Maime.

Victoria should try to audition for one of the East Coast soaps. I think she had a bit part on OLTL back in the day. I'd love to see Vicky, Elaine Princi and Mia Korf back on daytime again.

Victoria also went off on the Duchess some years back

Nobody is as bad as Ron Moss was. Nobody. I think Michael Muhney is a very good actor. I don't have much to say about Braeden...He's been around Y&R forever and I respect him for his longevity. I'm sorry to see Michelle Stafford go. I do not like Sharon Case, or Sharon Newman.

MM is such a deludenoid.

This is probably the best gig MM will eve have.

Was he a main character on Veronica Mars?

Y&R ALUM VICTORIA ROWELL SUES CBS AND SONY!

Daytime Confidential broke the news that Victoria Rowell (ex-Drucilla, Y&R) is suing CBS and Sony (and other defendants) on the grounds that Y&R refused to rehire her in retaliation for her speaking out about the lack of employment of African-Americans on daytime's top-rated drama. In the suit, Rowell alleges that she left the show in 2007 in the wake of racial discrimination, which she describes in her complaint. Rowell claims that since 2010, she has sought to return to the show, or to join BOLD AND BEAUTIFUL, and that Sony and Bell-Phillip Television Production, Inc., acting in concert with CBS's CEO, have rejected her bid because of her public and private comments about the show's lack of diversity both in front of and behind the camera.

Oh Dear.